Jordan 'left the party' at the right time, Pippen's portrayal was accurate - Colin | NBA | THE HERD
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- Colin Cowherd shares his final thoughts on 'The Last Dance' on today's show. Hear why Colin thinks Michael Jordan 'left the party' at the right time in 1998 and why he thinks Scottie Pippen's portrayal in the documentary was accurate.
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Jordan 'left the party' at the right time, Pippen's portrayal was accurate - Colin | NBA | THE HERD
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What are your thoughts on episodes 9 and 10 of 'The Last Dance'?
Colin Cowherd you're a racist.
alas I haven't seen a single episode, since I am from Spain and afaik no episode has been broadcast here, but I get a little here and there listening to this show, which I started to know more after the last dance (although I had seen the occasional show where Colin talked about Jordan and why he sells so many shoes and stuff like that), and also watching youtube videos from espn, for the most part
The last two episodes gave more insights into his super athletic mindset. He never entertained failure, or negative potentials. MJ focused on his goals and went at it. . A powerful lesson for humanity - let alone other athletes.
@@SunshineSurfsup1 also, as for what Colin mentioned in other videos, I am glad that history hasn't been rewritten. MJ's mystique will always be like that, forever present. It was like destiny, but a special one, kind of a script from a movie, but in real life
lino vi its on netflix
MJ simply wanted an opposing team to definitively end the Bulls dynasty instead of it being destroyed by their own organization.
But the Bulls did Jordan a favor he wouldn't be considered the GOAT if he lost in the finals, or missed the playoffs without Pippen and Phil. So they ended it. It wasn't like the Bulls were still in their primes. They were old! They had a nice run but it was OVER
@@yungslic5363 I don't think he considers that a favor given that he returned to the Wizards years later despite a perfect Finals exit. He wouldn't have come back to the Bulls w/o Pippen & Phil. And who knows if Krause could've improved the roster under that core? Plus, it was a shortened season. Hence, it's not hard to imagine why the defending champs were still itching to compete.
@@yungslic5363 that’s the things MJ with a New roster would
Have kept winning. Plenty of good players liked him and would be willing to join
I agree, it was time for it to end. I for one wanted them to go out on top. I did not want them to lose to nobody because of age.
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I disagree with the not wanting to lose you can only dominate for so long. Jerry west lost 8 NBA finals before he won 1 wilt lost in 2 nba finals kareem lost 4 nba finals 74, 83,84,89. So on and so forth jordan would rather lose in the finals and pass the torch than to not pass the torch and 6 for 6. If jordan lost 2 nba finals would that takeaway him from being the goat no.
Colin been on a roll lately with his topics....salute.
He finally saw the light. Stopped bashing MJ and devaluing everything related to him and just telling it as it happened.
Facts. I am so tired of hearing Skip, Uncle Shay, Nick Wright, SAS, etc just screaming at each other about their opinions of who was better. Jordan is the GOAT just acknowledge it and move on.
Victor Gaglione nah, lebron is a better overall player
@@rayfinkle5048 Shannon Sharpe really let me down wit his commentary as of late in REGARDS to *THE LAST DANCE* and how he REALLY REALLY REALLY feels about Michael Jordan.
chris Bronson naw I would entertain any bodies argument for Kareem, Kobe, Russel, Magic, Wilt, Oscar, except for lebron. I just can’t listen to an argument for a guy who has a losing record in the finals, or lost the finals with a super team multiple times. Yea his career numbers will be better than anyone’s when all said and done except for his finals record and lack of defensive attributes. In my opinion all of the other guys showed absolute dominance through their entire careers in every category of personal and team accolades. Lebron is an all time great don’t get me wrong on that. He is the second best small forward behind Larry bird in my opinion, but there can never be another MJ. You are right though it is an objective thing, but when over 65% of his peers say he is the best they have ever seen that’s all I need to hear. Because my opinion is that of a fan not of a pro ball player or coach. Those are the opinions that matter most.
I don’t Pippen was portrayed in a negative light. MJ even said in either episode 1/2 that he would not have one any championships without Pippen
He said you cannot say MJ without saying Scottie Pippen. That is another thing.
@medschool2626 he did not say he could not win without him. He just made sure we all pay the respect scottie deserves.
@@DsLmaNiaC He also said that he didnt win without Pippen
@@christiansoldier77 Take Pippen off and get Reggie Miller in. Would he win 10 or not?
@@DsLmaNiaC not with Miller but with Olajuwon yes
Michael Jordan.. The Man, The Myth, The Legend 🖤
Pippen was a hero in the last episode in The Last Dance. Playing with a killing pain on his back was something no one would do today.
Well, Pippen doesn’t see it that way.
Comepletely agree. Only thing I didn’t like about this doc is they did kukoc diiiiirty. He had huge games in the finals. One 30 point game against the Jazz in the finals...we spent more time on Kerr than him. Also the bulls gave Scottie 10 mil in like 2003 as a thank you...
Damn really?
Where did u GET that info Scottie got $20mil in '03?
If Jerry Reindorf aint pay Pippen as a player, u think he'd pay top dollar as a *FORMER PLAYER??!*
@@leonardobraynen1524 The OP is grossly exaggerating. It wasn't 20 mil. Pippen’s old teammate-turned Bulls GM John Paxson hooked him up with a two-year, $10.3 million contract with Chicago in 2003 when he was 37 and 38, his best years long behind him and a shell of his former self. The 5 mil a year was an overpay for the level of production he was offering in the twilight of his career, he only played in 23 games in the last year before he retired, but it was nowhere near 20 mil. OP needs to get his head checked.
Agreed. Toni is highly undervalued/underrated
el80ne I literally replied saying I made a mistake
Tom Brady obviously likes the party
😂
Lol Tom is the guy at the keg but he’s still chuggin
New England would be an also Documentary.
Should have retired in New England.
So does the mafia
Hugh Jackman once asked Jerry Seinfeld when he knew when to leave his show.
Jerry held up two fingers and pinched them close together, "You want to leave with a little bit left in the tank."
Hugh Jackman then signed up and did "Logan".
Colin will always find a way to mention Russell Wilson
If he had kids later they’d probably be named Russell and Wilson... except then some might accuse him of naming one of them after Westbrook
And rightly so
As he should
Russell Wilson is a good dude and a great quarterback, but he's so annoying. He should fully embrace being a dork and stop trying to act cool
You people complain about every person Colin mentions on his show.
Pippen is hall of famer rodman is hall of famer both come from tough back ground both deserve respect it's called beating the odds
I'm inclined to agree with Colin. At the same time, MJ is a go out on his sword type guy.
mj was never affraid of failing so for him it hurts more not to try then to fail...this eats at him more then losing would
Colin has had the best topics and overall show since this pandemic started . It’s crazy I literally looked forward to his show more than everyone else
IKR??!
Must see tv or radio at least!
Leonardo Braynen yesir
It’s like the Breaking Bad series. Leave me wanting more.
Exactly 👌🏾 Rest In Paradise Walter White
Great trip down memory lane. Loved it.
Scottie Pippen was tremendous.. He did so many great things. He hit game winners in back to back playoff games vs the Knicks.. The doc magnified a few mistakes..
Agree with your comments on Pip. He was amazing and had an unbelievable career. He made a couple of silly decisions, as everyone did, no way should he be upset. His career absolutely dwarfs those mistakes.
Scottie sprawling out for that steal on the last play of game 6 in 97 against the Jazz proves his toughness and ability to come through in the clutch.
I was in elementary school during that dynasty. I remembered so many things about that documentary, but there was so much more that I didn’t realize. That was awesome
Glad y’all back at the studio
Pippen's portrayal was incomplete. Accurate. But incomplete. Hence disappointing.
They missed some much greatness! They had like 14 MJ montages in the doc. Scottie had 47 point game against Nets. And they took him out because he would have went for 50+! They don't want him shining because of MJ.
This is a good take, this ending was as perfect as it can be
Colin has been one of the most logical and accurate sports analysts on MJ since the start of the doc.
Faxxxx
Surprisingly yes he’s been probably the most objective
Id watch a:
1) Tom Brady documentary
2) Kobe Bryant documentary
3) Mike Tyson documentary
4) Roger Federer documentary
5) Shawn Michaels documentary
I was in Chicago for the whole bulls run I have no idea what Scottie is upset about he did all that . He had the migraine game, he sat it the 1.8 seconds and he decided to put off the surgery. It’s his legacy if he is upset by it he did it to himself and only has himself to be mad at
look at Stan in the crowd at 3:17 over Jordans right shoulder lol
Wow I actually agree with you. Your best quote is Pippen was vital to the bulls rings.
The 1 second glimpse of Joy is the main reason I watch these clips lol
sad
Simp
Jerrol Julian I didn't even notice her until pointed it out; she is in fact there for one second.
She's not even hot lol.
Colin just put into words what I've been talking to myself about since I finished the series.
Love the commentary on Pippen, absolutely true about leadership
1000 percent agree!!!
Your absolutely right. Perfect timing.
I've said this about those Bulls for years. They won in 1998 but also aged during that postseason right before our eyes. Jordan supposed everyone would agree to one more year, but that's an awfully big if from Pippen. He'd been underpaid for years, had a bad back and was 33. He had his 6 rings and that was his last realistic chance for a big payday. Rodman was pretty much done after that. He tried a few brief stints with LAL and Dallas, but his productive days were over.
Good thing 99 was a short 50 game season but pip and Rodman was definitely playing on their last legs, but I think they had 1 more yr especially since 99 was only 50 games but that would literally be pushing it, to the brink
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It was a shorter year, but that didn't help the older teams. Cramming games in at the end of the season took a toll on old guys like with Houston and Utah. I don't believe there was any realistic way Pippen comes back for 1999, but even if he did, the Bulls were as likely to run out of gas as win again.
My favorite sports commentator!!!!! Always on point!!!
Yeah you making a lot of sense. Totally agree. It’s all coming back to me how close other teams were to them near the end of season 98.
You also have to factor the shortened season that would have let them rest and regroup
Ok I’m in love with Joy! WTF! That sexy 90’s Vibe!
I think the Bulls could of found a way to beat the Spurs.
Coherd will forever be my favorite sports analyst
I think the 90's Nebraska teams could make a good documentary. Either them or Miami like Colin said.
Colin “I’m not the biggest fan of Cam” Cowherd
I like Colin's take, and I agree overall that leaving likely helped Jordan's legacy. However you also need to note that 99 Spurs couldn't guard Michael, and neither 99 Robinson or 99 Duncan are prime versions of either. They took the Knicks in 5, big deal - Spurs didn't make the Finals again for 4 years following this season. Scottie and Phil Jackson weren't staying regardless, but if they did, reigning champ Bulls would've had a great chance at the title in a shortened 1999 season.
Well said!
Whole Scottie take was fire
Dope analysis.
The microphone shadow is pretty funny.
No, he didn't leave the party at the right time. Do you remember his two years with Washington?
really fascinating. i need 2nd season 🙏
Love Russell Wilson, but lets not put him in the same category of Jeter, Peyton, or Brady just yet.
Wilson is in Peyton territory!
S W is that a joke ? Wilson will probably never reach Manning
@@michaeldavid145 Are you basing that on yards? Games won? or Superbowl wins? He has been in the league less than half the time and has at least half his stats. Based on averages and SB appearances yeah! he is on that Level..
S W how many MVP’s does Wilson have? How many super bowl rings after having one of the greatest defences of all time? Wilson IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE on peytons level. Peyton had a stronger arm, was more accurate, CALLED HIS OWN PLAYS, was pretty much an offensive coordinator on the field, played with bad defences all throughout his colt years and only had good defences in his last 2 years with Denver. Peyton played with 5 different head coaches and won 2 Super Bowls. This isn’t an argument, Wilson has become so overrated
I mean, he’s the winningest QB in NFL history in his first 8 seasons behind only Brady. Most playoff wins than every other QB this decade. So I’d say he’s IN that talk
liking Colin more and more lately
Pip’s haters can kick rock
I understand his role but pippen is not as great as people pretend he was....he was a nice robin but to say hes a top 30 player is insane..he had a top 35 career and we give it to him cause of that career but as a player he is not top 40..hes not top 50 without mj hes not even top 65..lets be real..he may not even be top 80...hes that overrated cause of the rings and defense...but we give it to him out of respect but when you say top 30 i lose it..top 35 range is fine top 40 for me...top 30 is insanity..you people clearly don't remember how limited he was as a 1st option...he was not this 23 ppg a night on 50% fg shooter..he worked his way up to 20 over 40 minutes doing little things like transition post ups on smaller guys on switches drawing fts shooting when wide open due to his playmaking an tip ins on rebound and quick shots off a miss...he was a great robin never a batman..hes ringless without mj ...he was always a nice role player around a scorer..he could never a pure score like a number 1 option...his flaws were masked playing next to the best scorer ever...put pippen next to other very good scorers like clyde and it would be easier to beat them many times..mj and pippen just worked cause mj liked to score and shoot and still keep teamates involved rebound defend at a high level play off ball as well shoot post up..he did it all...pippen complimented that perfectly at that time when most duos were not complimentary or not that special...having pippen mj in 1993 for example was like having 2 of the 5 best players on earth so of course they won
@@razkable Sir with the utmost respectwhat you're saying about Scottie pippen I could tell you don't watch a lot of NBA because if that's the case you really know nothing I mean really
@@razkable and the funny thing is you didn't even bother to mention that he was the best point forward.And another thing what is not disputed Scottie pippen was a better on The bold offender than Michael Jordan.
Very Good points! Just came from First Take and Undisputed and this is a breath of frech air
Not really!!
Both of those shows have the worst topics.
The one thing that would’ve helped them is the fact that the 99 season didn’t start til January after the lockout
good take.. my thoughts exactly
Here’s some positives about Pip that ‘The Last Dance’ ignored:
1. MJ won 0 playoff series until Pip’s rookie year.
2. Pippen was 3rd in MVP voting in 94
3. Pip was the 94 All-Star MVP
4. Pip played 42 minutes in the ‘Migraine Game’
5. Hue Hollins horrible foul call on Pip vs Hubert Davis in the 94 Playoffs
6. Pip’s game winning/back breaking dunk to eliminate the Bullets in 97
Why did ‘The Last Dance’ leave all this out while putting the microscope on all of Pippen's worst moments?
I’ve honestly never thought of the “leader athlete” like that before, but Colin is spot on. Lots of elite talented players don’t have the mental makeup to be a leader, but that’s OKAY. That’s why Pippen is as good of a “Robin” as the sport has seen. MJ will always be Batman.
Saw a quote where calling MJ and Pipp "Batman and Robin" is disingenuous. Pippen was nobody's Robin.
It was more of a Superman & Batman type situation.
@@MiKen877 exactly like 2 MVP candidates playing together.
Joy to the World!
The Bulls legacy ended perfectly, but I hate the fact that there was really no reason not to try again. They would of made the finals for sure, I mean the Knicks with 36 year old Ewing made it to the finals and he didn't even end up playing in the actual finals series. It would of been difficult facing a young duncan and an old robinson but I think the Bulls could of won 7.
yeah you bring up a really good point. If jerry krause could have swallowed his pride and realized that the front office will never make headlines the same way players/coaches do, the bulls could certainly have won 7 titles. I don't think they would've won 8, but 7 definitely would have been within reach like you said
No way they beat the spurs without pippen
@@raya8723 i agree with you...
I think Jordan would be the 1st to admit that.
@@alexventrone1120 they might have if they pulled off the TMac trade
Adrian Avalon but T-mac was not what he would become back then
Did I just hear this dude say there’s no “what if” in magic Johnson’s career
There is no *WHAT IF* in Magic's career- he won at the highest level over the toughest opponents. If not for Bird & Isaiah Thomas' Pistons, Magic could EASILY have 8 or even 9 titles. The Lakers were that good!
He was referring to the lakers running it back it 1992 the year after the finals loss to the Bulls.
They would have lost again in the 92 finals and would have been eliminated by the Suns in 93
Lmao
Leonardo Braynen not what he meant at all. He meant what if magic stayed after 91... not what if lebron gets the 80s lakers and pistons suspended for the decade... there’s no what if for magic after 91. He peaked. Back then players peaked in 10-12 years
Excellent take from someone who was there.
Damn this was a great analogy! 👍
Bahahahahhahha....” I don’t wanna watch a documentary on the Spurs” lmao so true
colin you've been excellent my brother
Well Said.
Colin talking about the Bulls not scoring 100 points like they didnt play defense in 97,98. Did we not see this SAME bulls team hold Utah to 54 in a FINALS game ? That Bulls team was still good.
I think the Bulls would've made the 1999 finals. The Knicks repped the east in the finals during a shortened lock out season, led by Allan Houston and Sprewell... Perfect storm for an aging team, 50 regular season games, weaker Eastern Conference. The big questions are obviously assuming Pippen comes back healthy, and happy, and Phil is coaching (debatable if Phil wouldve made a difference if the whole team comes back). But once the Bulls are there, not sure anyone is betting against them.. I agree though with Colin, 6/6 adds to the mystique for the team and Jordan.
you are lot of fun, but never truer words were spoken (greetings from Spain)
They back in the studio now?? 👀
Colin was in fire in this segment. He hit the home run in minute 6 when he explained the leadership in Michaels life. In a world where we overlook the impact of male role models we see through MJ how much that translated to not only his skill but his resolve and stability as a man. This is why Jordan was not only better suited to lead the bulls than Scotty but it’s also the reason why MJ is a more accomplished player than Lebron. MJ had a nuclear family with a strong father he respected and a second farther in dean smith. Lebron had a single mother who made a lot of bad decisions in life and he went directly into the nba as a confused boy. This is why MJ was stoic and laser focused and Lebron was and still is emotional and unpredictable.
????? What
never a truer word spoken about parties
Well said Colin
I think he would have won at least one more, but all there will ever be is 'what if's' and if you think about it, that's better than coming back and losing.
Colin Cowherd is the Jordan of the sports media game
100% how I see it also. Agree.
Totally on the mark here Colin!
Maybe I am seeing something different or based on my view. To me, this does not make Scotty Pippen look bad and it is surprising how most people elevate the “not great” moments and clearly overshadow all the strength the documentary showed of Scotty Pippen. 1) Jordan says “You cannot mention Michael Jordan without saying Scotty Pippen”, “There would not have been 6 championships without Scotty Pippen”, “…this is why I consider Scotty Pippen the best person I have ever played with.” and more. 2) In the 7th game in Utah, Scotty could barely run/walk due to back pains and still put himself back in the game, if only to be a decoy. A disable Scotty Pippen was better than a fully healthy ANYONE ELSE on the team to be o the floor. I saw his strength and determination to do whatever he could to get the win despite the pain. 3) Outside of the late surgery, Scotty Pippen played to his fullest capability when on the floor despite being grossly disrespected with his salary. He still competed to win even though it was not fair. How many years again? Thank you. 4) Everyone that spoke about Scotty, and there were many, clearly acknowledged he was one of the top players (minimum 5-10) in the league through the years. 5) As Michael, although to a smaller degree, you saw how Scotty came in a strong player and transitioned to a dominate player while at the Bulls…even with the poor pay! And there were more positive highlights…
So there were a few questionable moments. Again, just moments, throughout a 10+ year career. This does not, for me, portray Scotty in a bad light. It only shows that he has human moments as we all do. As many things in this time, we look for the drama when sometimes they are just facts. Scotty Pippen was RIDICULOUSLY AWESOME and no one can question his metal based on this documentary. No one should question any of the team’s mentality based on what they delivered on the court. Only person that was continually portrayed in a negative light was Jerry Krause…and at the end Jerry Reinsdorf.
Colin: you don't want to be the last guy standing around The Keg at the party.
Me: why not?
Initially thought Colin was talking a load of old Cowshed, but the man (plus his facts) makes a strong point
I think Colin is spot on, on Pippen. Also that 98 bulls was riding Jordan all the way. Goat
A Kobe Bryant documentary would be awesome. Documentary series containing 8 episodes.
Hi Hi I agree
I heard its in the works kobe allowed special access in his last season with the lakers.
@@TheDonEfresh Yeah, it's gonna happen at some point. I'll watch that one too. Kobe was an interesting guy that's for sure.
Collin Cowherd, as a lebron fan, has been more objective on Jordan recently than lebron fanboys like Shannon and Nick Wright.
"Classic great vice president " lmao
Good take on Scotty!
The best vp ever
Whoa he's back in studio now? When did he get back?
Scottie did what he did and he has no reason to feel "wounded". The documentary showed how great he was and MJ showed him the ultimate respect when he said:" When they speak Michael Jordan, they should speak Scottie Pippen".
P.S.: I'd love a documentary about Tiger but he's still playing so...we'd probably have to wait for that.
0:27 I feel the same way about Tiger Woods.
Comment Air Jordan is the greatest athlete the sport has ever seen also his motivation to be a winner was like no other the best combination in sports history Air Jordan i lived it im 57 like Jordan i never seen anybody in sports like Mike
Micheal always spoke professional at press conferences like nobody else he was a pros pro they talk about the 92 dreamteam they dont talk about 84 Olympics when Jordan at 21 years old led USA to gold as well undefeated in Olympics undefeated in NBA finals the greatest of all time
Hate I couldn’t hit on the SNKRS app last night when they shocked drop the flint 13’s 😡
He makes some good points. But let’s face it when an all time great retires on top of course we want to run it back one last time.
Man *JORDAN* (awesome name dude btw) even now u wanna run *THE LAST DANCE* back dontcha???
I can’t respect anyone’s sports take when they say “Seacrest Out” after making a point.
As much as I was disappointed when the Jordan dynasty was disbanded, in hindsight, there was almost no better way to go out than how the Bulls did it in that '98 postseason.
This guy's opinions are spot on.
MJ’s “The Last Dance” paints a picture of a man built on facts with a touch of
class and spice to capture our attention. I enjoyed each episode and even though
I have never met Mr. Jordan I know that I would like him and its not because he
is a great NBA athlete but because Mr. Jordan appears to treat others off the court
with respect. From the man tasked with protecting MJ to the wide eyed little boys
and girls of every color with huge smiles on their face asking for and receiving MJ’s
autograph. As a 78-year old white man who witnessed first hand racism back in
the late 40’s through to the 50’s I think it fair to say that because of sports “in general”
racism in future generations will be rare. The ONLY dark side of the documentary is
when Mr. Pippin sat himself down and refused to play because he did not get to take
the last shot. I do not understand and cannot figure out why. All the players in the
film said multiple times their coach insisted players play as a team and MJ (the BEST
ever to play the game) bought into Mr. Jackson’s ideology and yet Mr. Pippin chose
this specific time and place to refuse to play ……. And get this …. Mr. Pippin said if
he had to do it over again he would do the same thing …… But, this is the same man
who signed a contract even though the owner suggested he not sign …… Perhaps Mr.
Pippin is the real Mr. Rodman.
Enjoyed this
Nickkhan802 what did this mean
Magic was 31/32 when he retired. Definitely some what if there.
Pip was a great leader and one of favourite of the Bulls players. Bulls was still a contender with Pippen during MJ baseball year. Pippen was frustrated with his contract and wasn’t treated as the man
Does a segment go by without at least one mention of Russell Wilson? lmao
But he came back to the party...twice.
Left at the right time two out of three times 🤷🏽♂️
Pippen is the real reason of Jordan's championships success and he mentioned it
Jordan is the real reason for all of those championships. Pippen played a big part but he is in no way the "real reason" of the bulls championships and Jordans success.
from outsider point of view leaving on 1998 is perfect and the last shot is more beautiful than a movie or drama . But from a player’s view they always want to do it until impossible or burnt out .
I like the fantasy of Jordan and McGrady (with Harper and Jackson possibly not going to LA) taking on Pippen and Portland in the 2000 finals.....