I was one of those kids who was terrified of god and hell. It was no more complicated than a parent putting their kid to sleep with threats of fire and torture....every single night. It was the fact that hell was a mere possibility that freaked me out. as a result my childhood was terrifying. I will never do that to my kid. I will do everything I can to keep my children from my own family's indoctrination efforts (which they have already started behind my back incidentally). it sucks having the very people she is supposed to trust attempting to indoctrinate her at such a young age. Its too bad that I have to keep her away from them unsupervised. She will be indoctrinated only over my dead body. the christ-cancer will not infect her mind if I have anything to say about it. I'm grateful for all the atheists/anti-theists who posted videos on YT (RIP Sir Hitch!!). collectively, they all have helped me fill in the gaps for WHY I knew my religious background is and always was complete bullshit.
There are many things we should be terrified of and Hell is the biggest one. If you care about your child you will teach him to fear hell and God, a child loves their Father and still fear his punishment,
Daryl Lynch: And Allah will be laughing as he throws you into HIS version of your hellish imagination. Fuck you and everyone like you. Every one of you religious fucks are a metastasized tumor cell. You are a relic of a past we should all be ashamed of. Santa Clause is more real than your imaginary sky fairy. You sicken me you slimy, disgusting liar. A father doesn't threaten his children with eternal unspeakable torture for the crime of being created BY HIM!! You are too stupid to even see how little sense you make, and for that, I pity you. Maybe you will gain your humanity one day. As it is, you are nothing but a wasted life. Fuck you.
@Guilt: that was very satisfying to read, I agree with everything. The guy is clinically insane. If it weren't for the fact that half of our planet is too, he'd be in a mental institution.
ptanyuh: I wish religion would just die already. We don't believe in Santa clause. Why do people still believe in something just as fake as that; not to mention incredibly more dangerous? Indoctrination is child abuse and people like Daryl L should be separated from childcare of any kind (like my own parents should have been long ago). They are entirely too dangerous to young minds. I look forward to the day when religious belief is a turn off to voters.
After watching some of Dillahunty's older talks, I think it's better to say: "I am not merely an atheist; I am a skeptic seeking rationalism. Atheism is just a common effect of that endeavor." "Materialism" being what, exactly? Not everything in the real universe qualifies as "material" (quantum physics being an excellent example). If you mean rationalists don't accept the supernatural, then you are correct, but that is only because the supernatural is, by its very definition, to be "outside nature" and not real. Until it is show to be so, it remains in the realm of fantasy, imagination or fiction (choose your favorite descriptor).
+psyekl _Not everything in the real universe qualifies as "material" (quantum physics being an excellent example)_ Not exactly. Energy, too, is 'material.' It is not 'matter,' but it is material since we can measure and manipulate it (remember Lene Hau and her Danish laboratory stopping light completely and then starting it again?) A more precise definition of materialism is often that 'the nature of the world conforms to the condition of being physical,' or more succinctly, 'the natural world supervenes on the physical.' 'Rationalists don't accept the supernatural' is not quite true. Rene Descartes, for example, was a rationalist and accepted the existence of God. Anthony Flew was a rationalist and accepted the existence of God. So was Immanuel Kant, one of the most important minds on this subject. Those materialists who do not accept any other form of existence speak beyond their knowledge. Assuming that _A_ and _B_ are not contradictory, to say that _A_ exists is not to say that _B_ does not also exist. It depends on your chosen system. I remember reading a German treatise some years ago that began with the chapter, 'Das Problem mit dem System,' or 'The Problem with 'System.' That, I think, is the difficulty faced by what you call 'rationalists' who are really materialists or 'physicalists.' It's an epistemological choice, a definition of what we must, for whatever reason (it differs among physicalists), say that we 'know.' Usually physicalists ('materialists') admit to our being able to 'know' mathematics, say, which clearly are not physical. Materialism begins with an unprovable first principle (all first principles are) that 'all that is, is physical.' Not everybody thinks that to be true, and materialism can't prove it to be so. That which is 'outside nature' ? What do you mean by that? Most Christians would, and certainly the Bible does, say that God is above' nature' but not always 'outside' it, at least in his works, and those works can be seen and known. That God cannot be manipulated as if he were an element of this universe (which is all that we can physically do, being elements of it ourselves) is not evidence against his existence. What you call 'imagination' or 'fantasy' in your post looks instead to be merely frustration. We are an impatient people, prone to the 'sour grapes;' fallacy known since before Aesop described it. Acceptance of the existence of God is none of your 'descriptors.' Thus in this case, they are not descriptors.
+Aristo Telian I am rational and have a math PhD. Math & math modeling are my life. Math is God. That is why I am antinatalist, animal rights vegan, & a registered Green Party member.
I'm so used to seeing these so much after the fact that I completely glossed over the fact it was posted today. WOW! But still... He deserves so much more than this for his contributions!
Well....its simple... He doesn't really have a set Goal. So hes become like a handyman. Hes absolutely great at a lot of things. but cannot become famous because he not expanding in any direction. Its kind of like asking why the worlds best most exhaustive 8th grade teacher isn't a world renowned Professor of ? that's the point. Matt is the professor of critical thinking. something that should be common sense....so in a way he's the absolute BEST in the world at teaching...what should be common sense. again he's my fucking hero, Because he gave me the insight to learning logic ect. But again. I realize he is simply teaching common sense. that is why.
Truly I get it. Logic and critical thinking is the basis in which all the wonders of the world are achieved in a sense. But he's never bringing anything NEW..to the table. its the same hem haw. again its great...but it gets old. That's why he's like the 8th grade teacher. You have to go to the next grade.
Sooo...this is the book that Christians say contains the messages and stories that the ONE TRUE GOD -- the perfect, infallible, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, Creator of everything -- PERSONALLY wants to communicate with us, so that we may know him and our souls may be saved... BUT (!!!) it needs to be edited and re-worded in order to communicate its "true" messages more effectively and make it more palatable to small children. How did the irony of this endeavor manage to escape the author?!
+TestMeatDollSteak _How did the irony of this endeavor manage to escape the author?!_ Wrong question. The irony isn't in the Bible or its authors, it's in your pretending to know what you're talking about and declaring it as it is true while complaining about something that's false that isn't.
I work at a book store and i hate having to give people "young" or "childrens" bibles. Bro wtf does that mean? How do you make murder, rape, and sacrifice palatable to kids?
No even when in debate with Christians i present all the immoral shit in bible, they always reply i took it out of context. Try asking about stoning kids.
By not actually telling them what it *ACTUALLY* says. In other words you continue to lie your arses off to them. I mean their religion is a lie. Why stop there? Luckily for me if I wind up having kids one day, I won't need to lie to them. That's because I see religions for what they are: Societal Cancer designed to enslave the masses to nonsense in order for the greediest and most power hungry of us to take control. So my kids will learn what religion really is from the minute they're old enough to understand verbal communication.
Isaac wasn't evil. I was a little kid, so I didn't identify with an old man, I identified with Isaac. Holy shit, how did he deserve to be almost sacrificed? Jacob wasn't evil. And even if he was, it's fucking scary when someone can just dislocate your hip bone with one touch. How is that not scary? God is a destructive force. If he just touches you, your bone will shatter.
That was absolutely the best talk I’ve ever heard you give, Matt. And I have heard/watched almost all of them…some, more than once. I thank you for what you do and for the HONEST effort you put into it! You, Richard Dawkins and Hitch, were instrumental in getting me to think skeptically and to wait for evidence before I believe something. Thank you!
Matt, thank you! This is how I've been raising my kid (12 and 17) and this is the first I've heard someone articulate it. And it reassures me that I'm doing the right thing.
so much about this i love. if i were to highlight something, it'd be the order of priorities matt lists (skeptic first, then humanist, then atheist). i see so many people become so focused on the so called "great debate" they abandon their skepticism and humanism for the ability to "destroy" or "pwn" their opponent and build a community on agreeing with the in group. it distresses me to see the atheist movement leave unquestioned their biases given them by religion and society as a whole. it distresses me to see people abandon their critical faculties and humanism to attack and harass feminists and civil rights advocates (for example) in the name of skepticism. critical thinking is of highest importance, then a grounding in ethics which encourages equality and understanding. atheism follows.
I have no comment whatsoever to make here. Why? Because I said so. Except this: For me, Matt has picked up the torch that fell to the ground when my hero, Mr Christopher Hitchens sadly, tragically, left us. Way before he was meant to. How dare he!? (Sad stupid joke. But if I don't make light at this point, I'll start to cry. I hope y'all understand). Matt, in his own and different way; and in his very different accent is just as eloquent as Hitch ever was. My love of and for Hitch has now been transferred to you Sir. May you never drop that torch and may you, and all of *_us_* both PROVE & EXPOSE, not only the absurdity but the fallacy, the downright lies, coercion and threats that religion in general resorts to, in an effort to STOP US ALL FROM THINKING FOR OURSELVES. I love you man! Please carry on your great and absolutely essential work! Yeah! Yee-hah! Whoopee! You know what? I KNOW THAT I AM RIGHT BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN BE SO... ... DANG... ...er... ...DARN... ...er... ...fuck it... DAMN FRUSTRATING! WHOO, DOES THAT FEELS SO FUCKING GOOD!
I am so sorry I was once a Sunday school teacher teaching these stories. As the years passed and I became less of a believer it would torture me to have to twist and turn every story to make it age appropriate, making me suffer in the process. I hated teaching knowing it was all a lie, using the bible verses or passages but twisting and giving a milder reinterpretation. I just couldn't take it anymore. Although I wholeheartedly believed it, it makes me feel so guilty to this day.
Funny I watched your newest video and you were right it did Cloud over just before the total eclipse, so I guess that makes you a prophet haha. Keep spreading that logic Matt.
Speaking of that, I was chatting with a believer who said he was going to call into the show on Sunday to correct Matt on the bible. On Sunday he told me that god had sent the storm to take the show off the air for god is all powerful. HTF are you supposed to answer that one? :-))
I hope that believer was just joking. It takes a special kind of douche bag to claim god would kill dozens and cause untold destruction and misery in order to take an atheist TV show off the air. Except that the show isn't off the air. An episode is scheduled for this Sunday. Oh well.
MasterCedar find out how many Christian shows were cancelled because of Harvey, there were almost certainly loads, so that was why g0d sent the storm, and to embarrass Joel Osteen.
Thank you so much, Matt, for what you do. I'm so grateful that you come from a fundamentalist background and therefore are not coming from a place of hate towards Christians. You have helped me heal so much from my strict Baptist upbringing and also you helped me have the hardest talk with my believer parents I have ever had in my 45 years of living. I hope to meet you someday and talk to you. You are doing such a kindness and I hope you know that!
I think either way you look at it, it's bad. Either God didn't know that Abraham would kill his son or God wanted Abraham to know that he had it in him (Abraham) to kill his own son.
Ultra Magnus Interesting take on this story: What if one thought God needed you to prove your faith by sacrificing your child? Consider the times when everyone knew God was real, and the consequences from refusing would be worst than the loss of a child. Fear from what God could do was the prime motivation to obey. Job really had no choice. Taken to extremes the 30,000 human lives butchered each year to appease the Aztec Culture's imaginary gods shows the true extent of that fear.
"Get 'em while they're young!" as told by Cardinal Pell. And btw there's more like 33-40,000 denominations according to the Christians. World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford University Press, 1982) Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary www.gordonconwell.edu/resources/documents/StatusOfGlobalMission.pdf
Aaron King Don't know why but the fear of hell never took with me even though I was raised southern baptist and heard many sermons on the wrath of hell growing up. When I realized that religion, all religion was based solely on mythologies and legends, I realized that heavens and hells of religions were just fictional fantasy places, that humans are just as dead as any other living thing when we die and are simply recycled back into the environment. It might help if you tried learning and researching the history of all the hells people have made up over the centuries. The very idea of thinking people you don't like suffering for an eternity was and is even today so vengefully comforting to the self-righteous. LMAO Here is a link I found on some background history of hells. www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/rob-sharples/history-hell
Don't be because hell is misunderstood by mainstream Christian's. Let's just say a proper translation of the bible does not include an eternal torment chamber. Let's also say hell is not in a properly translated bible either.
Very nice and interessting need more of you matt more philosophy in a nice debate like tone and animated speaking train and make youtube happy at the same time. And its fun. :)
Ugh, i'm so glad i got adopted by a swedish family rather than a murican one. The thought of getting brainwashed to follow christianity instead of learning critical thinking is truly a nightmare. It's incredible that it's not only allowed but encouraged.
Matt is so clear and succinct in his thought and expression and always makes such sense. I admire his logical intellect. It baffles me that he was a believer for so long but I guess that shows you the power of indoctrination. I was educated in religion from a early age though it was benign compared to Matt's upbringing, so I guess that is why I never ever believed.
At 3:30 he talks about softening up the stories of the Bible, but I remember in Sunday school that they didn't leave out the bits about killing all the Egyptian first-borns or Abraham being ready to sacrifice Isaac to God.
Hey Matt I think one of the things about the bible not saying Isaac was afraid you may have missed is that in that very story Isaac had to be bound to the altar. He had to be tied down, but he TOTALLY wasn't afraid.
~ Religion has taught me to be suspicious (especially) of anything male-centric, and words like "lord," thou, "you guys," fraternal, et cetera. You got the message, and thank you, Matt, for speaking the truth which we come to, all of us, some faster than others. Hopefully, the world will catch up to Austin and environs soon. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
I really, really wonder, what would people, who lived within a couple of hundred years from when these stories have had been written, think about our modern interpretations (I may be confused about tenses here, sorry, please correct me). I also wonder, how contemporary believers deal with how the sense old-time people tried to imbue in those stories with time passage mutates into something obviously different. You don't need to guess, you can read "church fathers" (Acta Sanctorum and Patrologia Latina, if I remember correctly) to get to early Christianity, for example, to exact words those guys wrote. Seeing us, would those ancient people pray for another flood for God to start again? Or would they throw away their book and say "who knew I could do that!" - and go invent an aqueduct or something before its time.
Hey Matt, have you considered providing the audio for your talks and debates in audio form through a podcast hosting source? I would love to be able to download your content and listen to it on the go in podcast form.
a) If you're not too lazy, there are UA-cam to MP3 websites that can turn any UA-cam video into an MP3---I have done this with videogame soundtracks before and it works fine. b) Your avatar is terrifying ;) That movie really scarred me as a kid.... "Oh, look! Bunnies!" quickly turned into, "OH F**K, BUNNIES!" And then the book proceeded to scar me as an adult ;)
run_gavagai_run, I totally hear you on that one. There was a time I had all of Star Trek recorded and I wanted to just turn it into audio. It is so beautifully acted, sound alone gives all the content necessary to benefit from.
Yea.. Let's not get em' while they're young and stick to having information available on just about every subject you could possibly imagine and those that seek it, let's make it easy for those people to find it.
I play video games, write, watch stuff, listen to music and more right here on my laptop. I usually set myself on a couch. Laptop of a little fan table, headphones on my head and the little adapter wired into the wall next to me. The mouse is tricky though. For writing or just watching/listening to stuff... not an issue. But for gaming or extranded browsing it needs to be an external mouse. Well I have one of those too, and for the last 10 years its been gliding across a mouse pad thats being held up by "Bible stories for children." Ironically, one of the only books this long time atheist has is a children's bible stories book. With pictures.
The Abrahamic god is nothing but a glorified Josef Fritzl. The "I'm your father and I can do anything to you, love me or I'll torture you" variety. A perfect being needs nothing, especially coerced adulation.
+kingda117 _Have you read your Bible and do you know the penalty for non-belief_ You have two questions here. the answers to them are 1. Yes 2. There is no 'penalty for non-belief.'There are penalties for disobedience and rebellion. Those are very different.
Aristo Telian Stop playing semantics. "disobedience" and "rebellion" are the fruits of non-belief. Abraham’s god is insecure and jealous of the love a father has for a son. The Bible is useless as a guide to true morality as the following passages will attest: "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." 1 Timothy 2:12 "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) " Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) "Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them," (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) There are truths and great advice in all Abrahamic scriptures but also lies, divisive notions, downright stupidity and absolute wickedness. The real definition of evil to me are those who pray for and work towards a "rapture" and the "end of days".
+kingda117 _Stop playing semantics_ I'm not playing semantics. You're playing impatience, a sure and certain path to error and falsehood. This particular case of impatience seems to stem from 'play the game my way.' Listen instead to facts and truths that you may not have considered. That is wisdom, and we need that to be right. You already know this, for without hearing yourself, you actually agreed with me: _"disobedience" and "rebellion" are the fruits of non-belief_ Which is true, and which makes 'non-belief' _different_ from disobedience and rebellion. 'Non-belief' is a state. It has many possible origins: ignorance, incuriosity, environment, priorities, psychological pathology. Disobedience and rebellion are acts from decisions. They are different from non-belief.' Non-belief is a negative. Disobedience is a positive, that is, an act from a decision. There is no punishment for simple 'non-belief,' as we can see from Cyrus, the king of Persia, being called God's 'servant' (Is 44 & 45) even though he was not Jewish and did not worship the Jewish God. He did the right thing, however. St Paul carries this thought a little further when he says: _Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law_ (Rom 2:14) So your thought that simple 'non-belief' leads to some kind of punishment, is wrong. it's disobedience and rebellion, or what you do with the knowledge that you have, which is a work of the will, not of cognition. What you decide is far more important than what you believe (though this is far more complex than we can say on YT, so please do not jump to conclusions. There is much more to say and thus to think on this). _Abraham’s god is insecure and jealous of the love a father has for a son. The Bible is useless as a guide to true morality as the following passages will attest:_ _"I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." 1 Timothy 2:12 _ This is an incomplete thought and therefore a wrong one. You do not consider the context of Timothy's youth and his inexperience in leading a church and Paul's intent on helping him to do all things in good order (a concern of his in 1 Corinthians but not in other letters, for his concerns were different there), nor do you consider all the women the Bible shows (for example, the women at the tomb, of whom at least Mary Magdalen was subsequently called a 'messenger' of the risen Christ) whom he greeted as leaders in the Church: Lydia, Prisca, Euodia, Synteche, Julia, someone called 'Nereas' sister', Phoebe (called a 'deacon'), Tryphena, Tryphosa, all of whom are called 'laborers' or 'co-laborers in the Gospel,' and of course Junia, whom he calls an 'apostle.' Pretty grand titles and automatic acceptance for someone you apparently think was a misogynist. Let me guess: you didn't get your ideas from actually reading the Bible, did you? You got them from atheist websites. Not credible sources, you know. They make many glaring mistakes without seeming to notice or care. _"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you_ Oh, heavens, when will you atheists get it into your thick skulls that you have to actually read the whole Bible and then you have to understand it? this is such an old canard that has been refuted so many times. 1. You go to Leviticus, ever early in Israel's history. They are a new nation, they live in a time in which slavery is just 'the way things are,' for slavery is far older than Israel is. It's then a cultural issue, not a cognitive one, and cultural conditions change slowly, very slowly for our modern impatient emotions. The US fought over slavery for almost a century, Britain banned the slave trade in 1833 (the English Court of King's Bench had previously banned it in Britain proper in the _Somerset_ case (1772): _It [slavery] is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged_ A Christian country, remember. But that made no difference to the South in the US. Finally, of course, there was that Great Unpleasantness of 1861-1865, and still that didn't change anyone's mind in the South, who held onto as much of slavery as long as they could. Cultural conditions change slowly. Not even 600,000 dead (today the percentage equivalent would be about 2,000,000) could convince them. God takes a different tack: since culture changes slowly, then change the culture slowly. it worked. Slowly our minds changed until the Church, in the midst of a grimly slaveholding culture, in which it was illegal to advocated for the abolition of slavery (by Paul's time, the Third Servile War (Spartacus), with it's 6000 slaves crucified along the Via Appia, was a serious historical memory), the Church abolished it in itself, the only place it could do that: _There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus_ (Galatians 3:28) That's why slaves and women flocked to the Church, because there they were free and equal. The Church was criticized by the Romans as being 'a society of slaves and women.' Of _course_ the Church would not demand that all slavery be abolished. It was illegal and for a noncitizen (most of them were), it could mean death. Three wars over slavery? Rome was not exactly pleased about that. So the Church did what it could, which meant changing people's minds about it. Paul did that twice int he Bible, once in Romans (see above), and once in Philemon, where he tells Philemon to take back his runaway slave Onesimus _no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a beloved brother. He is especially beloved to me, but even more so to you, both in person and in the Lord. So if you consider me a partner, receive him as you would receive me_ (Philemon 1) Which was simply not done in the empire. Contrast this with the letters of Pliny the Younger. the Roman concept of slaves is far different. Aristotle said that they were not human but merely 'living tools.' Rome agreed, though they could do almost any job in the empire except the military and on the _Cursus Honorum._ So what should slaves do? Since they can't do anything about their slavery, and to try would bring them death, then the only thing they could do was to be good slaves. That way they would achieve two goals: they could by their conduct teach the master of the good of being a Christian, and very likely be freed eventually. It was not uncommon in the empire. What you think you see as immoral is simply getting a long-term good to replace a short-term evil about which no one could do anything. You really are too impatient to understand the Bible. That is under your control, however. _There are truths and great advice in all Abrahamic scriptures but also lies, divisive notions, downright stupidity and absolute wickedness._ No, you simply have not seen all that the Bible says, and you so far have not understood what you think you have read. _The real definition of evil to me are those who pray for and work towards a "rapture" and the "end of days"._ So in your mind, Hitler and Stalin were not evil. Interesting. I suspect that some atheists might disagree with you.
I disagree with one major point in this speech - as an atheistic scientist, I take a lot of things on faith. EX: There is an eclipse tomorrow - I have faith that my calculations were correct that there is an eclipse tomorrow. But the best example I know about the importance of faith as an atheist is the story behind euclid's 5th postulate.
You're a scientist and you take ellipses on faith? You wouldn't for actually data and evidence? You wouldn't trust independently verified calculations for good reason, rather than faith?
I used an eclipse as a mildly sarcastic example, merely because you ended your speech with it. That said, I am acutely aware of errors imposed from expectation bias in calculations, validations, and peer reviews - meaning "independent" verification is a fiction. Something fun and eye opening you can do, is to compare the theoretical value of universal constants (like Big G, the gravitational constant) to the experimental findings plotted in time. You are likely to find that the same experiment ran before and after a minor change in the expected value will be mirrored by the results of the experiment simply because of the researcher's expectation bias. In summary, I am simply saying that I see science as more "the art of telling fewer and fewer lies" than a perfect truth. That being said, I really liked your statement about not being too attached to any one idea. We all have our postulates taken on faith and most of these postulates will need to be revised at some point. Here is a paper that discusses this issue and looks fairly good to a slightly sleep deprived reader :) www.sheldrake.org/files/pdfs/papers/Experimenter-Effects-in-Scientific-Research-How-Widely-are-they-Neglected.pdf
@Stainsteel0 I am aware that my definition of faith is different from the definition some Christians would tell you if asked. And while Christianity uses faith as the reason itself, Christians do not - which is why almost every one of them will have said a prayer amounting to "are you really there" at some point, looking for anecdotal evidence, just like my back of the envelope calculations (particularly when I drop a zero!).
@Stainsteel0 I say that my definition of faith is different from some Christians because there are so many groups and not because it is in conflict with some theoretical "one true definition of faith in religion" that you are alluding to. And here is a pretty good synopsis of my view on why faith is valuable: ua-cam.com/video/h2Vx9qoLzFs/v-deo.html And I would rather not touch the straw man "Christian discussion" you constructed because of the density of implicit assumptions that will limit the fruitfulness anything I say to you about it.
I am so thankful to myself for being an obstinate and ornery child who pushed back against just about any brainwashing tactic used on me as a child. I think that allowed me to avoid actually becoming enraptured or seriously convinced by the few sermons I did pay attention to and more importantly the religious indoctrination my mother attempted to insinuate upon me. Of course I think a big part of my utter lack of indoctrination also comes from the fact that though my mother is lifelong believer who refuses to to even consider her position and mentally shuts down whenever the conversation comes up, she really wasn't that pushy about it. XD As such I can pretty confidently say that I don't think I ever really counted as a Christian, despite going through the motions until I was about 11-12. But I'm one of the lucky ones, and for those of you who the indoctrination DID take hold, and especially if your family is of the flavor that might disown an atheist relative, I really hope that you've all found some equilibrium in your life and have managed to come to terms with any hardship you may have experienced.
If God told me to sacrifice my son to prove my love for God, I'd tell him, "No, fuck you!" because by demanding such a sacrifice, he is UNWORTHY of my love.
it also never says Isaac ever comes down from the mountain - it also never mentions Isaac ever speaking to his father again, and in many versions, they are never mentioned as being together again....
+Tim Hyatt _it also never says Isaac ever comes down from the mountain_ What on earth are you talking about? Abraham's test of faith is in Gen 22. Abraham arranges for a wife for Isaac in Gen 24. Isaac and Ishmael are reunited in Gen 25 after Abraham's death. Isaac tricks Abimelech in Gen 26. He's in Gen 27, and doesn't die until Gen 35. How on earth can you be so wrong about something so easy and simple? Do you fact-check no one?
as I said..it never specifically SAYS Isaac came down....many judaic scholars believe the story originally, had Isaac being sacrificed... you'll note that isaac and abraham are never mentioned TOGETHER..... but then i suspect you're one of the naive true believers who think the bible has "never changed" because it's "protected by God"....
+Tim Hyatt The Argument From Silence Fallacy. It doesn't have to show them together. That Isaac dies long after is proof that he didn't die on the mountain. 'Many Judaic scholars' means nothing. I've read much of the Talmud (something of a chore, really, but good to have done), and disagreements abound about nearly everything. I lived less than a block away from a yeshiva on Foster and Kedzie in Chicago for years and got to know students and rabbis and talked with them frequently. They argued all the time as part of their schooling. 'Many Judaic scholars' means nothing. Which scholars? How many? Can you show that the Bible was 'changed'? No? then you try to make an argument on a speculation, and that means nothing. _i suspect you're one of the naive true believers who think the bible has "never changed" because it's "protected by God"_ 'Poisoning the well' is the name of that logical fallacy. So, ignorance, speculation, and two fallacies. Not a very good argument. And, no, I am not 'one of those.' Sorry, but you're wrong about everything in that post.
33:28 This happened to me as a kid. A teacher made everyone stand and didn't let them sit down until they got an answer right. I still remember his condescending attitude when I couldn't answer something and was left one of the last ones standing.
MsDjessa Teachers used to think that if they belittled or embarrassed a student that it would make that student work harder so as not to be called out again. Of course that is flawed psychology. Since I'm old now I have no idea if they still cling to that philosophy.
+MsDjessa _At what point did I say that is the reason I don't believe in any deity?_ From the beginning, since it's the only reason that you gave. That's why I asked the question which you did not yet answer. What *is* your point?
I was not talking about my atheism at all in that comment. I was confirming that Dillahunty is right that it is a very bad idea to teach kids to find it terrifying to admit they don't know something.
1:00 as a father, thanks for acknowledging you're doing backseat driving with this parenting advice thing ;) most people don't do that, and often they give horrible advice. If you want to help a parent without being a parent yourself, generally the best thing you can do is babysit.
I remember in second grade Catholic school the nun telling us the story of Abraham and Isaac and how wonderful it was that Abraham would obey God without question. I felt totally horrified and couldn't believe a father would kill his son! I just couldn't understand it. I thought to myself I would have said no!
There's a big problem with the whole Christian child abuse thing here in Arkansas, as well as a lot of religious places. Kids here aren't heard , their opinions and their ideas on things aren't even listened to. It's all the "because I'm the parent " thing. It's completely unfair to kids to not listen to their needs or how they feel about going to church or if they want to join a baseball team or not. Parents all too often just put kids in things and make them go to functions that they don't even want to go to, but each time they say hey I don't like baseball or hey I don't like this children's church , etc , the parents tells them too bad, your going . They never listen to children. It's all about control. When I was about 15 I got real smart assed with my mom because she was trying to get my to do things I didn't like and had no interest in and she would not listen to anything I had to say and didnt care that I didn't want to do them. I know some people say well you aren't 18 yet, doesn't matter , if they are trying to get me to do something that I don't want to do and I have no jnterwst in it , it is not right to force a child to do it, no matter how old they are. Why would you think that you can force a child to play tee ball or football and expect them to like it, if their not interested in it . The parents just put kids in soccer class or band and never even bother to ask the kid hey do you wanna do this ? They do it on purpose
"Do not make such jokes. I have learned from you how much a basket of fish costs and how much interest one can claim for lending money. That is your knowledge. But I did not learn how to think from you, my dear Kamaswami. It would be better if you learned that from me." I.e. "You taught me what to think but not how to think."
What was left after taking out so much of the trash? A pamphlet? But what did you expect - it's a hate manual for the depraved. It preys on peoples fears of the unknown. That is why the dupers that perpetuate that toxic crud in the bible don't want anyone to question it. They know it can't stand up to it.
Crusades, Inquisition, witch trials, conquest of the Americas and annihilation of cultures and civilizations, fucking little children..... I could go on and on and on.....
mr curly _Crusades, Inquisition, witch trials, conquest of the Americas and annihilation of cultures and civilizations_ And all this is in which part of the Bible, exactly? It was the Bible you were talking about. I'm sure you would never try to change the subject. _I could go on and on and on_ Finally, a correct statement.
Everyone wants to get views, but how you do that and to what extent says a lot about you. Matt is Machiavellian up to a point. He speaks of critical thinking but does not apply it to his own. In his closing statement he claimed, the supervening facts are necessitated logically by the lower-order facts supervened upon together with the concepts by which the supervenient facts are identified. The extensions of our moral concepts however are not determined by the subvening facts together with the concepts themselves. Someone might in principle differ with us over the correct application of these concepts without failing to understand or share them and where all parties are fully informed about the subvening facts. And that can leave the facts of supervenience itself looking, from a naturalistic standpoint, unappealingly and peculiarly mysterious.
mmm i got the same conclusion long ago... abraham should had said that was not a God but a devil... and that bring backs something that people still can't really answer... how i know that something is god?... it could really be a demon tricking us... but the bible.. all the bible have in principle that you can know that is god talking and not a demon...
I liked that one the best so far, but still... You reject all answers and all I get is Humanist Skeptical Atheism as the answer... Going to read about humanism, brb.
When I took geometry I had a proof For a particular problem that had more that 20 steps. As I was putting my proof on the board the teacher asked if anyone had a proof with fewer steps and some one offered a proof with 14 steps which was far fewer than mine. When I pointed out the error in the offered proof the teacher considered it for a few seconds, and then crossed out the proof in the book and asked me to put my proof on the board.
Matt would have made a great preacher. Don't get shook, it was just a joke. Sort of. Imagine the harm smart people can do, are doing, by preaching religious superstition.
Jordan Peterson clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. ua-cam.com/video/wwi9Q9apHGI/v-deo.html
Lols NOW I get why you would like a conversation between the two. From the feeling I got from that link you shared that'd be a fun debate. Sounds like Jordan Peterson is a wanker. I really wish people like him would stop trying to make morality out to be this impossible to answer question when it's really not. Thanks for the link. I left a comment there you may find amusing.
Thomas Carroll JP can say somethig good? that would be new to me :) Admittedly I didn't listen a lot. As a psychologist I couldn't stand even his interpretations of another author. I remember being confused and needing to factcheck if he actually is a professor. (something about his? pc research was total nonsense in methodological sense, 2nd year students -in my country-would see those flaws... I remember thinking) I feel sorry for people who want to understand psychology, honestly - - and run into him (as he's gotten popular on yt) and can only hope those students have better other professors, and well developed critical thinking skills, and reading literature would lead them to actually understand material. To the guy who sent me his video(s) in a first place- I suggested he goes through Crash Course psychology. It's well done and covers all basics so one can have a wider context where to put new more thorough research. (and see holes in Petersons lectures) (goes to check that comment Demogorgon left)
your right i am talking about you and your findings what your doing is what christians do in my view you have no standing all you can do is point to someone else's bs and i call it bs because that knowledge you think is true is not your findings and you really have no idea of what is being said there for you are moving in faith
_I will probably get about 23 talks out of this book alone._ Of that I have no doubt, for Matt spends his time pretending to refute Christianity, but really he merely wastes his time attacking its worst arguments and examples, and criticizing something called 'religion' and its public, social effects. What he does is something akin to 'After a spirited match, Matt finally pins his squirrel.' Congratulations, Matt. You have refuted something that doesn't matter. That's a poor technique, unconvincing and lazy. If Matt were serious about this, he would take on the best arguments that Christians have made over the centuries, which he has not done. Instead, he does what makes him money, which is an atheist accusation of public Christians like the televangelists. Interesting, that.
You can contact him, and make your case. Also he does tons of debates, you can't complain he is addressing the worst arguments when they are the go to arguments that thiests keep using.
Abraham took his son out in the wilderness which 1000 years later was Calvary, the reason God told Abraham to kill his son was so when Jesus cried out to God from the Cross to save Him from the agony, God would have had to answer Jesus request except for that God has made a promise 1000 years earlier that because Abraham was willing to kill his son so would God also allow His Son to be killed on the cross, Jesus died on the cross and died and over came the spiritual death ( eternal separation from God ) so we don't have too. Also, God is our Father and as we love our Father we also fear his punishment.
And you know that's the reason why God commanded Abraham to do that how exactly? Sounds to me like you're making shit up. Sounds to me like the best arguments you have is to regurgitate platitudes and bible propaganda rhetoric. You know? The same stuff all Christians wrongly think is capable of impressing atheists which is why they wind up making an arse of themselves. You get that we're not interested in propaganda rhetoric about Jesus right? You do get that we're not interested in ridiculous ad hoc excuses that are made up on the spot in order for the blindly gullible to make whatever convenient excuse they need to explain away the reprehensible nonsense they believe? You do get that no matter how much you stay on script and keep reciting those lines of propaganda rhetoric that you're just going to continue to make an idiot of yourself. You can't preach or apologetics an atheist into submission. Hell threats make us laugh and apologetics demonstrate how desperate you are to make your vile book seems less scum baggish then it really is. Reciting the script won't get you anywhere. The only thing we're interested in is proof. Not desperate excuses, empty threats or the silly little script you recite in order to jam your view down the throats of those who aren't interesting in hearing it.
Hey Holy Spirit. I only just made a condescending rant about how atheists are not interested in platitudes, being preached to or listening to propaganda rhetoric that Jesus loves us. And your response was to do exactly that. I'm curious. Are you really so naive that you think I'd hear a few lines of your rhetoric and drop to my knees and be like "Yes Jesus! I will accept you as my lord and saviour!!"? Are you really so naive that you think that if you just spew the right lines of rhetoric that we'll buy into your con? Like I said atheists are interested in proof. Not platitudes, not rhetoric, but demonstrable, testable, falsifiable evidence under laboratory conditions. And my guess is since that you can hear an atheist explain this to you and your response is *STILL* to preach that you don't have jack shit to prove your god's existence, all you have is a desperate desire to believe and therefore an obnoxious desire to preach because like all people convinced of a malignant lie, you need us to believe too. The more of us who see your religion for what it is, the more you have to face the fact that you believe absolute nonsense and therefore the harder it is to keep pretending like you believe. And I'm sorry that you can't handle that but that's not my problem. Piss off pal. Come back when you have some scientific proof that god exists. But we both know you'll never find any because your religion is a lie designed to control the masses. This is how idiots like you can literally have it explained to you why preaching , platitudes and propaganda rhetoric won't convince atheists and the best you can do is spew preaching platitudes and propaganda rhetoric as a response to someone explaining to you why that won't work. It's because simpletons like you are easily convinced by such nonsense and even as it's explained to you how ridiculously weak such tactics are you *STILL* can do nothing by try them. It's because that's all your religion's got. And I don't have time for this shit. Take your preaching and cram it.
Once again Holy Spirit. I've said this to you before. Atheists ARE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING PREACHED TO! So *STOP!!!!!!!!* preaching. You're watching yourself fail *YET AGAIN!*. We're not interested in sermons. We're not interested in claims of "truth" with a capital T. We're not interested in pathetic excuses for why you can't provide said proof but assurances that if we just blindly swallow your bullshit then one day evidence will be made manifest which is nothing more than a silly little game where you blindly accept a position and see what you want and call it proof. We're not interested in ridiculous stories of personal revelation about how you personally prayed and then *SOMETHING/ANYTHING* happened to which you foolishly drew a ridiculous conclusion that *SOMETHING/ANYTHING* was somehow god manifesting instead of being a ridiculous non-event that you twisted into something/anything it's not because you wanted to accept Jesus. We're not interested in people who play silly little games like that. We're not interested in platitudes or being preached too. So stop already. No sale here. I'm not buying the nonsense you're spewing. And I know you desperately want to convince me because you're infected with a mind virus that makes you have to seek out other suckers and infect them too no matter how rude or annoying you have to be to do so. But I'm immune to the ridiculous methods that people use to infect people. You're literally seeing your pathetic tactics fail and yet even as they fail you keep desperately trying to make them work. Well they're not going to work. Please provide some demonstrable, scientific evidence of your god's existence to me. That's the *ONLY* way you can prove something's existence, no matter what it is. Please provide said evidence, otherwise I'm going to write you off as just another pathetic wanna believer so desperate to make everyone else just like him so you don't have to face people who remind you of how ridiculous and laughable the bullshit you pretend to believe in really is.
We're done Holy Spirit. I've said this to you multiple times now. You *CANNOT* preach an atheist into submission. *EVERY* single desperate to believe Christian who plays this silly little game that you're playing right now can only ever do this. Preach preach preach preach preach preaaaaaaaacccccccccchhhhhhhhhh!!! As I've stated before and will do so again, it doesn't matter how you word the preaching, or how many times you keep asserting that your claim is "truth" or "reality" at the end of the day all you have is a silly little script in which you regurgitate the same pathetic lines of propaganda rhetoric that were able to convince you. Because that's all you have. No evidence, no proof, just a grand assertion that you desperately hope no one can see for the empty assertion that it is. *IF* you had some proof of god you would've presented it and even when I lead you down the path, explaining as I go how I know you're being irrational, all you can do is keep regurgitating the same lines of nonsense. You have not said anything I haven't heard a billion times before from people like you who are desperate to make everyone else believe you. It's no more than a recycled sales pitch. And you're only interested in making everyone else believe in your god so you don't have to face skepticism for holding obviously wrong beliefs. Know how I know? I've already told you how. When someone is convinced of something they present evidence. They don't duck and dodge doing that every chance they're told to present some and go right back to preaching! Quit stalling, quit regurgitating your script. I'm not interested in these silly little games. Last chance. You have only one more then I'm just going to start ignoring you. Your best scientific evidence for god is what? No more preaching, no more desperate sales pitches about how if I just accept your position to be true then I'll see that you're not full of crap all along. No more exaggerated claims of "truth" and "reality" or ridiculous nonsense about darkness and all that other pathetic metaphoric gibberish. Your best proof for god is?
Annnndddd we're done here Holy Spirit. Told you that's all you have. The same silly little script over and over again. Nothing. Nothing but empty assertions and a series of never ending excuses for why you can't present evidence for your god. Nothing but preaching. I told you that you've got nothing but a desperate belief and you've done *EXACTLY* what I said you would. Just keep on preaching loooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg after it's become blatantly obvious that's all you've got and that it's insufficient nonsense. That lost desperation that if they just listen to your words then they'll realise how right you are all along even though they're literally and correctly pointing out the only plays you can make when you're malignantly wrong. You have *ALL* the tells of a person who desperately believes ridiculou s nonsense and you can't hide who you really are from me. I know you'll just keep preaching as a response to this hoping desperately that I won't see you for who you really are (I already do!). But don't bother. We're through here. I've called your bluff for the pathetic, desperate to believe nonsense and desperate to convince everyone else so you don't have to face knowing deep down that you're wrong for what it truly is. You can lie to yourself and tell yourself and others whatever they or you need to hear to buy into your con. But not me. Don't bother responding to me anymore because I won't read anything else you have to say. I've given you *PLENTY* of opportunity to present more than the mindless script you can *ONLY* ever recite in this ridiculous recruiting mission you pretend that you're on. But we both know the only reason why you need to recruit others is because those of us who see your religion of bullshit spoil the fund and remind you of how desperate and pathetic your need to believe crap that you obviously don't really believe. You just want to believe. How do I know? Because like I said all you have is the same pathetic script over and over again and I'm done humoring you. I've sat you down and explained to you *HOW* I know you're full of shit and your only response is to just keep preaching. Well we're done here. Conversation's over. Don't bother replying, like I said I won't read it and I'll already know in advance what a desperate pathetic lie it'll be. So just walk away. But you won't. You'll get that last desperate sales pitch in won't you? Perhaps throw in a few empty hell threats for good measure, but it'll be a waste of your time and you'll make nothing but a further fool of yourself. I won't read anything else you have to say so you might as well quit with a shred of dignity. Either way. We're done here. Buh bye.
"Get them while they're young ."
I know why,
because the young can't think for themselves critically and logically , that's it .
and they are curios
"Hey, Abraham - kill your son.
PSYCH!"
- the most moral being in the universe.
It was a prank, bro. A social experiment.
As the Mormons say, Bring 'em Young.
In the case of Warren Jeffs, 'Very Young'.
Is that a play on words from Brigham Young?? If so, that's genius!! Lol!
That would be my guess. The guy had around 40 wives.
I see what you did there....:-)
Catholic priests say that too
I was one of those kids who was terrified of god and hell. It was no more complicated than a parent putting their kid to sleep with threats of fire and torture....every single night. It was the fact that hell was a mere possibility that freaked me out. as a result my childhood was terrifying. I will never do that to my kid. I will do everything I can to keep my children from my own family's indoctrination efforts (which they have already started behind my back incidentally). it sucks having the very people she is supposed to trust attempting to indoctrinate her at such a young age. Its too bad that I have to keep her away from them unsupervised. She will be indoctrinated only over my dead body. the christ-cancer will not infect her mind if I have anything to say about it.
I'm grateful for all the atheists/anti-theists who posted videos on YT (RIP Sir Hitch!!). collectively, they all have helped me fill in the gaps for WHY I knew my religious background is and always was complete bullshit.
There are many things we should be terrified of and Hell is the biggest one. If you care about your child you will teach him to fear hell and God, a child loves their Father and still fear his punishment,
Sick is right. The most terrifying kind of sick people.... the ones with children!
Daryl Lynch: And Allah will be laughing as he throws you into HIS version of your hellish imagination.
Fuck you and everyone like you. Every one of you religious fucks are a metastasized tumor cell. You are a relic of a past we should all be ashamed of. Santa Clause is more real than your imaginary sky fairy. You sicken me you slimy, disgusting liar. A father doesn't threaten his children with eternal unspeakable torture for the crime of being created BY HIM!! You are too stupid to even see how little sense you make, and for that, I pity you. Maybe you will gain your humanity one day. As it is, you are nothing but a wasted life. Fuck you.
@Guilt: that was very satisfying to read, I agree with everything. The guy is clinically insane. If it weren't for the fact that half of our planet is too, he'd be in a mental institution.
ptanyuh: I wish religion would just die already. We don't believe in Santa clause. Why do people still believe in something just as fake as that; not to mention incredibly more dangerous? Indoctrination is child abuse and people like Daryl L should be separated from childcare of any kind (like my own parents should have been long ago). They are entirely too dangerous to young minds. I look forward to the day when religious belief is a turn off to voters.
I'm a rationalist, atheism is just a side-effect.
No, atheism is a 'side effect' of materialism, not 'rationalism.'
After watching some of Dillahunty's older talks, I think it's better to say: "I am not merely an atheist; I am a skeptic seeking rationalism. Atheism is just a common effect of that endeavor."
"Materialism" being what, exactly? Not everything in the real universe qualifies as "material" (quantum physics being an excellent example). If you mean rationalists don't accept the supernatural, then you are correct, but that is only because the supernatural is, by its very definition, to be "outside nature" and not real. Until it is show to be so, it remains in the realm of fantasy, imagination or fiction (choose your favorite descriptor).
+psyekl _Not everything in the real universe qualifies as "material" (quantum physics being an excellent example)_
Not exactly. Energy, too, is 'material.' It is not 'matter,' but it is material since we can measure and manipulate it (remember Lene Hau and her Danish laboratory stopping light completely and then starting it again?)
A more precise definition of materialism is often that 'the nature of the world conforms to the condition of being physical,' or more succinctly, 'the natural world supervenes on the physical.'
'Rationalists don't accept the supernatural' is not quite true. Rene Descartes, for example, was a rationalist and accepted the existence of God. Anthony Flew was a rationalist and accepted the existence of God. So was Immanuel Kant, one of the most important minds on this subject. Those materialists who do not accept any other form of existence speak beyond their knowledge. Assuming that _A_ and _B_ are not contradictory, to say that _A_ exists is not to say that _B_ does not also exist.
It depends on your chosen system. I remember reading a German treatise some years ago that began with the chapter, 'Das Problem mit dem System,' or 'The Problem with 'System.' That, I think, is the difficulty faced by what you call 'rationalists' who are really materialists or 'physicalists.' It's an epistemological choice, a definition of what we must, for whatever reason (it differs among physicalists), say that we 'know.' Usually physicalists ('materialists') admit to our being able to 'know' mathematics, say, which clearly are not physical. Materialism begins with an unprovable first principle (all first principles are) that 'all that is, is physical.' Not everybody thinks that to be true, and materialism can't prove it to be so.
That which is 'outside nature' ? What do you mean by that? Most Christians would, and certainly the Bible does, say that God is above' nature' but not always 'outside' it, at least in his works, and those works can be seen and known. That God cannot be manipulated as if he were an element of this universe (which is all that we can physically do, being elements of it ourselves) is not evidence against his existence.
What you call 'imagination' or 'fantasy' in your post looks instead to be merely frustration. We are an impatient people, prone to the 'sour grapes;' fallacy known since before Aesop described it. Acceptance of the existence of God is none of your 'descriptors.' Thus in this case, they are not descriptors.
+Aristo Telian The religious cult of capitalism & free market religion are side effects of materialism & greed & selfishness & lack of morality.
+Aristo Telian I am rational and have a math PhD. Math & math modeling are my life. Math is God. That is why I am antinatalist, animal rights vegan, & a registered Green Party member.
The angel that stopped Abraham was Jeffery
I could listen to Matt's wisdom all day.
Please do more of this kind of videos, this was hilarious! =)
How on earth do you have 71,000 subs and only 279 views. You should have more of both!!!
Joshua Crutchfield , the video was only just posted. A lot if his subscribers are only waking up around now. Give it time my friend.
This video was posted today and the views thing lags.
I'm so used to seeing these so much after the fact that I completely glossed over the fact it was posted today. WOW! But still... He deserves so much more than this for his contributions!
Well....its simple... He doesn't really have a set Goal. So hes become like a handyman. Hes absolutely great at a lot of things. but cannot become famous because he not expanding in any direction. Its kind of like asking why the worlds best most exhaustive 8th grade teacher isn't a world renowned Professor of ? that's the point. Matt is the professor of critical thinking. something that should be common sense....so in a way he's the absolute BEST in the world at teaching...what should be common sense. again he's my fucking hero, Because he gave me the insight to learning logic ect. But again. I realize he is simply teaching common sense. that is why.
Truly I get it. Logic and critical thinking is the basis in which all the wonders of the world are achieved in a sense. But he's never bringing anything NEW..to the table. its the same hem haw. again its great...but it gets old. That's why he's like the 8th grade teacher. You have to go to the next grade.
Wow man. The video turned out to be just amazing. I thought you were messing around with that book just for fun
Sooo...this is the book that Christians say contains the messages and stories that the ONE TRUE GOD -- the perfect, infallible, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, Creator of everything -- PERSONALLY wants to communicate with us, so that we may know him and our souls may be saved... BUT (!!!) it needs to be edited and re-worded in order to communicate its "true" messages more effectively and make it more palatable to small children. How did the irony of this endeavor manage to escape the author?!
+TestMeatDollSteak _How did the irony of this endeavor manage to escape the author?!_
Wrong question. The irony isn't in the Bible or its authors, it's in your pretending to know what you're talking about and declaring it as it is true while complaining about something that's false that isn't.
In the beginning, Godzilla said, "Let there be fight! "
"...your dad thinks he hears voices..."
Hahahaha, love this perspective! Well, "love" is a bad word....but you hopefully know what I meant ;)
I work at a book store and i hate having to give people "young" or "childrens" bibles. Bro wtf does that mean? How do you make murder, rape, and sacrifice palatable to kids?
Book for kids are censured. You think kids would continue believing this shit if you tell the truth?
Tomi Sačerić LOL the Bible has to be censored.
Religion can't afford to give the Bible a R- rating.
No even when in debate with Christians i present all the immoral shit in bible, they always reply i took it out of context. Try asking about stoning kids.
By not actually telling them what it *ACTUALLY* says. In other words you continue to lie your arses off to them. I mean their religion is a lie. Why stop there?
Luckily for me if I wind up having kids one day, I won't need to lie to them. That's because I see religions for what they are: Societal Cancer designed to enslave the masses to nonsense in order for the greediest and most power hungry of us to take control. So my kids will learn what religion really is from the minute they're old enough to understand verbal communication.
Holy Spirit you are really doing harm to the world, please stop.
Well said Matt. The speech Seth Andrews gave on the same topic was also excellent. We need more of these.
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Abraham got Pranked so hard
When I was little, my mom read from the Bible. Straight from it, without softening it. They were very scary tales.
they were no9t scary to me when i read the bible. it just evil people got what they deserved. it showed god lovingly protecting the human race.
Isaac wasn't evil. I was a little kid, so I didn't identify with an old man, I identified with Isaac. Holy shit, how did he deserve to be almost sacrificed?
Jacob wasn't evil. And even if he was, it's fucking scary when someone can just dislocate your hip bone with one touch. How is that not scary? God is a destructive force. If he just touches you, your bone will shatter.
That was absolutely the best talk I’ve ever heard you give, Matt. And I have heard/watched almost all of them…some, more than once. I thank you for what you do and for the HONEST effort you put into it! You, Richard Dawkins and Hitch, were instrumental in getting me to think skeptically and to wait for evidence before I believe something. Thank you!
Matt, thank you! This is how I've been raising my kid (12 and 17) and this is the first I've heard someone articulate it. And it reassures me that I'm doing the right thing.
How can I upvote this 397 times?
This was a fantastic talk. I really enjoyed it.
Matt, this was awesome! Thanks so much for all you do!
so much about this i love. if i were to highlight something, it'd be the order of priorities matt lists (skeptic first, then humanist, then atheist). i see so many people become so focused on the so called "great debate" they abandon their skepticism and humanism for the ability to "destroy" or "pwn" their opponent and build a community on agreeing with the in group. it distresses me to see the atheist movement leave unquestioned their biases given them by religion and society as a whole. it distresses me to see people abandon their critical faculties and humanism to attack and harass feminists and civil rights advocates (for example) in the name of skepticism. critical thinking is of highest importance, then a grounding in ethics which encourages equality and understanding. atheism follows.
Nix Alexander
Me too.
The more that I listen to Matt, the more I like and respect him.
Equating the bible to fairy tales... Spot on.
I have no comment whatsoever to make here.
Why?
Because I said so.
Except this:
For me, Matt has picked up the torch that fell to the ground when my hero, Mr Christopher Hitchens sadly, tragically, left us.
Way before he was meant to.
How dare he!?
(Sad stupid joke. But if I don't make light at this point, I'll start to cry. I hope y'all understand).
Matt, in his own and different way; and in his very different accent is just as eloquent as Hitch ever was.
My love of and for Hitch has now been transferred to you Sir. May you never drop that torch and may you, and all of *_us_* both PROVE & EXPOSE, not only the absurdity but the fallacy, the downright lies, coercion and threats that religion in general resorts to, in an effort to STOP US ALL FROM THINKING FOR OURSELVES.
I love you man!
Please carry on your great and absolutely essential work!
Yeah! Yee-hah! Whoopee!
You know what?
I KNOW THAT I AM RIGHT BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN BE SO...
... DANG...
...er...
...DARN...
...er...
...fuck it...
DAMN FRUSTRATING!
WHOO, DOES THAT FEELS SO FUCKING GOOD!
I am so sorry I was once a Sunday school teacher teaching these stories. As the years passed and I became less of a believer it would torture me to have to twist and turn every story to make it age appropriate, making me suffer in the process. I hated teaching knowing it was all a lie, using the bible verses or passages but twisting and giving a milder reinterpretation. I just couldn't take it anymore. Although I wholeheartedly believed it, it makes me feel so guilty to this day.
Funny I watched your newest video and you were right it did Cloud over just before the total eclipse, so I guess that makes you a prophet haha. Keep spreading that logic Matt.
Holy Spirit no I didn't, it's called sarcasm.
Thank you again, Mr. Dillahunty. For my taste you get the perfect balance of the serious message and humour.
best christianity answer:Jesus
best answer:i don't know
That depends on the question.
Hey Matt hope all is well for you out there in texas
Speaking of that, I was chatting with a believer who said he was going to call into the show on Sunday to correct Matt on the bible. On Sunday he told me that god had sent the storm to take the show off the air for god is all powerful. HTF are you supposed to answer that one? :-))
MasterCedar lol I have no idea😁
MasterCedar tell them this is an example of how petty and jealous Bible god is.
I hope that believer was just joking. It takes a special kind of douche bag to claim god would kill dozens and cause untold destruction and misery in order to take an atheist TV show off the air. Except that the show isn't off the air. An episode is scheduled for this Sunday. Oh well.
MasterCedar find out how many Christian shows were cancelled because of Harvey, there were almost certainly loads, so that was why g0d sent the storm, and to embarrass Joel Osteen.
It's a shame and a loss, that you are not a parent.
Thank you so much, Matt, for what you do. I'm so grateful that you come from a fundamentalist background and therefore are not coming from a place of hate towards Christians. You have helped me heal so much from my strict Baptist upbringing and also you helped me have the hardest talk with my believer parents I have ever had in my 45 years of living. I hope to meet you someday and talk to you. You are doing such a kindness and I hope you know that!
I think either way you look at it, it's bad. Either God didn't know that Abraham would kill his son or God wanted Abraham to know that he had it in him (Abraham) to kill his own son.
Ultra Magnus
Interesting take on this story: What if one thought God needed you to prove your faith by sacrificing your child? Consider the times when everyone knew God was real, and the consequences from refusing would be worst than the loss of a child. Fear from what God could do was the prime motivation to obey. Job really had no choice.
Taken to extremes the 30,000 human lives butchered each year to appease the Aztec Culture's imaginary gods shows the true extent of that fear.
Evol Bob Think about what you're saying. You have to prove something to a being that knows everything.
Evol Bob "Supposedly"
"Get 'em while they're young!" as told by Cardinal Pell. And btw there's more like 33-40,000 denominations according to the Christians.
World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford University Press, 1982)
Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary
www.gordonconwell.edu/resources/documents/StatusOfGlobalMission.pdf
When I was 4 I was infected with the fear of Hell in Sunday School. I still have that fear 31 years later. It's a daily struggle.
Aaron King Don't know why but the fear of hell never took with me even though I was raised southern baptist and heard many sermons on the wrath of hell growing up. When I realized that religion, all religion was based solely on mythologies and legends, I realized that heavens and hells of religions were just fictional fantasy places, that humans are just as dead as any other living thing when we die and are simply recycled back into the environment. It might help if you tried learning and researching the history of all the hells people have made up over the centuries. The very idea of thinking people you don't like suffering for an eternity was and is even today so vengefully comforting to the self-righteous. LMAO Here is a link I found on some background history of hells.
www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/rob-sharples/history-hell
RhondaH Thanks Rhonda! I'll check it out
Holy Spirit I think there is better evidence for people experiencing hallucinations based on religion than there is evidence for Hell.
How do you determine that it was other-worldly? When it is far more likely the power of suggestion.
Don't be because hell is misunderstood by mainstream Christian's.
Let's just say a proper translation of the bible does not include an eternal torment chamber.
Let's also say hell is not in a properly translated bible either.
Very nice and interessting need more of you matt more philosophy in a nice debate like tone and animated speaking train and make youtube happy at the same time. And its fun. :)
Ugh, i'm so glad i got adopted by a swedish family rather than a murican one. The thought of getting brainwashed to follow christianity instead of learning critical thinking is truly a nightmare. It's incredible that it's not only allowed but encouraged.
Matt Dillahunty - Great talk, you have another subscriber. I'm a born again atheist - from birth.
If there is a God he has a strange sense of humour.
Holy Crap - what's a sin?
Matt is so clear and succinct in his thought and expression and always makes such sense. I admire his logical intellect. It baffles me that he was a believer for so long but I guess that shows you the power of indoctrination. I was educated in religion from a early age though it was benign compared to Matt's upbringing, so I guess that is why I never ever believed.
I do not have any kids, but if I did I would want Yogi the clown to play at their birthday because of this video lol
ohh yeah two new videos. There is a god after all!
At 3:30 he talks about softening up the stories of the Bible, but I remember in Sunday school that they didn't leave out the bits about killing all the Egyptian first-borns or Abraham being ready to sacrifice Isaac to God.
Hey Matt I think one of the things about the bible not saying Isaac was afraid you may have missed is that in that very story Isaac had to be bound to the altar. He had to be tied down, but he TOTALLY wasn't afraid.
~ Religion has taught me to be suspicious (especially) of anything male-centric, and words like "lord," thou, "you guys," fraternal, et cetera. You got the message, and thank you, Matt, for speaking the truth which we come to, all of us, some faster than others. Hopefully, the world will catch up to Austin and environs soon. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
Children are not property******* SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PPL IN THE BACK. 👏🏻
I really, really wonder, what would people, who lived within a couple of hundred years from when these stories have had been written, think about our modern interpretations (I may be confused about tenses here, sorry, please correct me). I also wonder, how contemporary believers deal with how the sense old-time people tried to imbue in those stories with time passage mutates into something obviously different. You don't need to guess, you can read "church fathers" (Acta Sanctorum and Patrologia Latina, if I remember correctly) to get to early Christianity, for example, to exact words those guys wrote.
Seeing us, would those ancient people pray for another flood for God to start again? Or would they throw away their book and say "who knew I could do that!" - and go invent an aqueduct or something before its time.
33:37 "Cut that shi...tuff out."
Nice save. :)
got a like solely for the antiquing joke at the start now to actually watch the rest of it
Hey Matt, have you considered providing the audio for your talks and debates in audio form through a podcast hosting source? I would love to be able to download your content and listen to it on the go in podcast form.
a) If you're not too lazy, there are UA-cam to MP3 websites that can turn any UA-cam video into an MP3---I have done this with videogame soundtracks before and it works fine.
b) Your avatar is terrifying ;) That movie really scarred me as a kid.... "Oh, look! Bunnies!" quickly turned into, "OH F**K, BUNNIES!" And then the book proceeded to scar me as an adult ;)
run_gavagai_run, I totally hear you on that one. There was a time I had all of Star Trek recorded and I wanted to just turn it into audio. It is so beautifully acted, sound alone gives all the content necessary to benefit from.
If you get UA-cam Red you can download videos
Yea.. Let's not get em' while they're young and stick to having information available on just about every subject you could possibly imagine and those that seek it, let's make it easy for those people to find it.
Yes Lawd. You're mom was right you ARE a preacher. The best kind. A truthful one. The best in the world
I play video games, write, watch stuff, listen to music and more right here on my laptop.
I usually set myself on a couch. Laptop of a little fan table, headphones on my head and the little adapter wired into the wall next to me.
The mouse is tricky though.
For writing or just watching/listening to stuff... not an issue. But for gaming or extranded browsing it needs to be an external mouse.
Well I have one of those too, and for the last 10 years its been gliding across a mouse pad thats being held up by "Bible stories for children."
Ironically, one of the only books this long time atheist has is a children's bible stories book. With pictures.
I hope dinosaurs are in there! :P
I can tell you were going to be pastor at some point. You have the same speech pattern as a lot of preachers
Matt, you really nailed it. For me this is your best speech yet.
This starts out seeming like pablum, which is unexpected from Matt. But have reasonable expectation; the end is very much worthwhile.
Yay more Mr. Dillahunty
The Abrahamic god is nothing but a glorified Josef Fritzl. The "I'm your father and I can do anything to you, love me or I'll torture you" variety. A perfect being needs nothing, especially coerced adulation.
There is no 'forced adulation' in the Bible. That's why most people don't do it (said Jesus).
Have you read your Bible and do you know the penalty for non-belief?
+kingda117 _Have you read your Bible and do you know the penalty for non-belief_
You have two questions here. the answers to them are
1. Yes
2. There is no 'penalty for non-belief.'There are penalties for disobedience and rebellion. Those are very different.
Aristo Telian Stop playing semantics. "disobedience" and "rebellion" are the fruits of non-belief.
Abraham’s god is insecure and jealous of the love a father has for a son. The Bible is useless as a guide to true morality as the following passages will attest:
"I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." 1 Timothy 2:12
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
" Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them," (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
There are truths and great advice in all Abrahamic scriptures but also lies, divisive notions, downright stupidity and absolute wickedness. The real definition of evil to me are those who pray for and work towards a "rapture" and the "end of days".
+kingda117 _Stop playing semantics_ I'm not playing semantics. You're playing impatience, a sure and certain path to error and falsehood. This particular case of impatience seems to stem from 'play the game my way.' Listen instead to facts and truths that you may not have considered. That is wisdom, and we need that to be right.
You already know this, for without hearing yourself, you actually agreed with me:
_"disobedience" and "rebellion" are the fruits of non-belief_
Which is true, and which makes 'non-belief' _different_ from disobedience and rebellion. 'Non-belief' is a state. It has many possible origins: ignorance, incuriosity, environment, priorities, psychological pathology. Disobedience and rebellion are acts from decisions. They are different from non-belief.' Non-belief is a negative. Disobedience is a positive, that is, an act from a decision. There is no punishment for simple 'non-belief,' as we can see from Cyrus, the king of Persia, being called God's 'servant' (Is 44 & 45) even though he was not Jewish and did not worship the Jewish God. He did the right thing, however. St Paul carries this thought a little further when he says:
_Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law_ (Rom 2:14)
So your thought that simple 'non-belief' leads to some kind of punishment, is wrong. it's disobedience and rebellion, or what you do with the knowledge that you have, which is a work of the will, not of cognition. What you decide is far more important than what you believe (though this is far more complex than we can say on YT, so please do not jump to conclusions. There is much more to say and thus to think on this).
_Abraham’s god is insecure and jealous of the love a father has for a son. The Bible is useless as a guide to true morality as the following passages will attest:_
_"I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." 1 Timothy 2:12 _
This is an incomplete thought and therefore a wrong one. You do not consider the context of Timothy's youth and his inexperience in leading a church and Paul's intent on helping him to do all things in good order (a concern of his in 1 Corinthians but not in other letters, for his concerns were different there), nor do you consider all the women the Bible shows (for example, the women at the tomb, of whom at least Mary Magdalen was subsequently called a 'messenger' of the risen Christ) whom he greeted as leaders in the Church: Lydia, Prisca, Euodia, Synteche, Julia, someone called 'Nereas' sister', Phoebe (called a 'deacon'), Tryphena, Tryphosa, all of whom are called 'laborers' or 'co-laborers in the Gospel,' and of course Junia, whom he calls an 'apostle.' Pretty grand titles and automatic acceptance for someone you apparently think was a misogynist.
Let me guess: you didn't get your ideas from actually reading the Bible, did you? You got them from atheist websites. Not credible sources, you know. They make many glaring mistakes without seeming to notice or care.
_"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you_
Oh, heavens, when will you atheists get it into your thick skulls that you have to actually read the whole Bible and then you have to understand it? this is such an old canard that has been refuted so many times.
1. You go to Leviticus, ever early in Israel's history. They are a new nation, they live in a time in which slavery is just 'the way things are,' for slavery is far older than Israel is. It's then a cultural issue, not a cognitive one, and cultural conditions change slowly, very slowly for our modern impatient emotions. The US fought over slavery for almost a century, Britain banned the slave trade in 1833 (the English Court of King's Bench had previously banned it in Britain proper in the _Somerset_ case (1772):
_It [slavery] is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged_
A Christian country, remember.
But that made no difference to the South in the US. Finally, of course, there was that Great Unpleasantness of 1861-1865, and still that didn't change anyone's mind in the South, who held onto as much of slavery as long as they could.
Cultural conditions change slowly. Not even 600,000 dead (today the percentage equivalent would be about 2,000,000) could convince them.
God takes a different tack: since culture changes slowly, then change the culture slowly. it worked. Slowly our minds changed until the Church, in the midst of a grimly slaveholding culture, in which it was illegal to advocated for the abolition of slavery (by Paul's time, the Third Servile War (Spartacus), with it's 6000 slaves crucified along the Via Appia, was a serious historical memory), the Church abolished it in itself, the only place it could do that:
_There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus_ (Galatians 3:28)
That's why slaves and women flocked to the Church, because there they were free and equal. The Church was criticized by the Romans as being 'a society of slaves and women.'
Of _course_ the Church would not demand that all slavery be abolished. It was illegal and for a noncitizen (most of them were), it could mean death. Three wars over slavery? Rome was not exactly pleased about that.
So the Church did what it could, which meant changing people's minds about it. Paul did that twice int he Bible, once in Romans (see above), and once in Philemon, where he tells Philemon to take back his runaway slave Onesimus
_no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a beloved brother. He is especially beloved to me, but even more so to you, both in person and in the Lord. So if you consider me a partner, receive him as you would receive me_ (Philemon 1)
Which was simply not done in the empire. Contrast this with the letters of Pliny the Younger. the Roman concept of slaves is far different. Aristotle said that they were not human but merely 'living tools.' Rome agreed, though they could do almost any job in the empire except the military and on the _Cursus Honorum._
So what should slaves do? Since they can't do anything about their slavery, and to try would bring them death, then the only thing they could do was to be good slaves. That way they would achieve two goals: they could by their conduct teach the master of the good of being a Christian, and very likely be freed eventually. It was not uncommon in the empire. What you think you see as immoral is simply getting a long-term good to replace a short-term evil about which no one could do anything.
You really are too impatient to understand the Bible. That is under your control, however.
_There are truths and great advice in all Abrahamic scriptures but also lies, divisive notions, downright stupidity and absolute wickedness._
No, you simply have not seen all that the Bible says, and you so far have not understood what you think you have read.
_The real definition of evil to me are those who pray for and work towards a "rapture" and the "end of days"._
So in your mind, Hitler and Stalin were not evil. Interesting. I suspect that some atheists might disagree with you.
I like the Greek myths more. Those gods are really just extremes of what mankind are
THIS NIGGA HAVE ONLY 77K SUBS....?????? HE DESERVES AT LEAST A MILLION.
The version of this in the Quran has the boy (not specifically named in the passages) as a willing participant.
3 christians were here... :D
I disagree with one major point in this speech - as an atheistic scientist, I take a lot of things on faith. EX:
There is an eclipse tomorrow - I have faith that my calculations were correct that there is an eclipse tomorrow.
But the best example I know about the importance of faith as an atheist is the story behind euclid's 5th postulate.
You're a scientist and you take ellipses on faith? You wouldn't for actually data and evidence? You wouldn't trust independently verified calculations for good reason, rather than faith?
I used an eclipse as a mildly sarcastic example, merely because you ended your speech with it. That said, I am acutely aware of errors imposed from expectation bias in calculations, validations, and peer reviews - meaning "independent" verification is a fiction.
Something fun and eye opening you can do, is to compare the theoretical value of universal constants (like Big G, the gravitational constant) to the experimental findings plotted in time. You are likely to find that the same experiment ran before and after a minor change in the expected value will be mirrored by the results of the experiment simply because of the researcher's expectation bias.
In summary, I am simply saying that I see science as more "the art of telling fewer and fewer lies" than a perfect truth. That being said, I really liked your statement about not being too attached to any one idea. We all have our postulates taken on faith and most of these postulates will need to be revised at some point.
Here is a paper that discusses this issue and looks fairly good to a slightly sleep deprived reader :) www.sheldrake.org/files/pdfs/papers/Experimenter-Effects-in-Scientific-Research-How-Widely-are-they-Neglected.pdf
@Stainsteel0
I am aware that my definition of faith is different from the definition some Christians would tell you if asked. And while Christianity uses faith as the reason itself, Christians do not - which is why almost every one of them will have said a prayer amounting to "are you really there" at some point, looking for anecdotal evidence, just like my back of the envelope calculations (particularly when I drop a zero!).
@Stainsteel0
I say that my definition of faith is different from some Christians because there are so many groups and not because it is in conflict with some theoretical "one true definition of faith in religion" that you are alluding to. And here is a pretty good synopsis of my view on why faith is valuable: ua-cam.com/video/h2Vx9qoLzFs/v-deo.html
And I would rather not touch the straw man "Christian discussion" you constructed because of the density of implicit assumptions that will limit the fruitfulness anything I say to you about it.
Just in time for Eid Al-Adha (aka Eid of Sacrifice)
Atheist Debates good stuff
I am so thankful to myself for being an obstinate and ornery child who pushed back against just about any brainwashing tactic used on me as a child. I think that allowed me to avoid actually becoming enraptured or seriously convinced by the few sermons I did pay attention to and more importantly the religious indoctrination my mother attempted to insinuate upon me.
Of course I think a big part of my utter lack of indoctrination also comes from the fact that though my mother is lifelong believer who refuses to to even consider her position and mentally shuts down whenever the conversation comes up, she really wasn't that pushy about it. XD
As such I can pretty confidently say that I don't think I ever really counted as a Christian, despite going through the motions until I was about 11-12. But I'm one of the lucky ones, and for those of you who the indoctrination DID take hold, and especially if your family is of the flavor that might disown an atheist relative, I really hope that you've all found some equilibrium in your life and have managed to come to terms with any hardship you may have experienced.
Does someone know wich bible story he is refering to about the house built on sand, and the one on rock?
If God told me to sacrifice my son to prove my love for God, I'd tell him, "No, fuck you!" because by demanding such a sacrifice, he is UNWORTHY of my love.
Funny how The Holy Spirit only ever shows up as a UA-cam troll account.
Thank you Matt!
it also never says Isaac ever comes down from the mountain - it also never mentions Isaac ever speaking to his father again, and in many versions, they are never mentioned as being together again....
+Tim Hyatt _it also never says Isaac ever comes down from the mountain_ What on earth are you talking about? Abraham's test of faith is in Gen 22. Abraham arranges for a wife for Isaac in Gen 24. Isaac and Ishmael are reunited in Gen 25 after Abraham's death. Isaac tricks Abimelech in Gen 26. He's in Gen 27, and doesn't die until Gen 35. How on earth can you be so wrong about something so easy and simple? Do you fact-check no one?
as I said..it never specifically SAYS Isaac came down....many judaic scholars believe the story originally, had Isaac being sacrificed...
you'll note that isaac and abraham are never mentioned TOGETHER.....
but then i suspect you're one of the naive true believers who think the bible has "never changed" because it's "protected by God"....
+Tim Hyatt The Argument From Silence Fallacy. It doesn't have to show them together. That Isaac dies long after is proof that he didn't die on the mountain. 'Many Judaic scholars' means nothing. I've read much of the Talmud (something of a chore, really, but good to have done), and disagreements abound about nearly everything. I lived less than a block away from a yeshiva on Foster and Kedzie in Chicago for years and got to know students and rabbis and talked with them frequently. They argued all the time as part of their schooling. 'Many Judaic scholars' means nothing. Which scholars? How many? Can you show that the Bible was 'changed'? No? then you try to make an argument on a speculation, and that means nothing.
_i suspect you're one of the naive true believers who think the bible has "never changed" because it's "protected by God"_
'Poisoning the well' is the name of that logical fallacy. So, ignorance, speculation, and two fallacies. Not a very good argument.
And, no, I am not 'one of those.' Sorry, but you're wrong about everything in that post.
"Atheism isn't the answer"--great statement.
D Mc But it is the most logical and rational conclusion for any critical thinking skeptic when it comes to the idea of gods.
33:28 This happened to me as a kid. A teacher made everyone stand and didn't let them sit down until they got an answer right. I still remember his condescending attitude when I couldn't answer something and was left one of the last ones standing.
MsDjessa Teachers used to think that if they belittled or embarrassed a student that it would make that student work harder so as not to be called out again. Of course that is flawed psychology. Since I'm old now I have no idea if they still cling to that philosophy.
+MsDjessa So, your argument is 'Once upon a time I was embarrassed, so God does not exist'? What is your point?
Wow, this was the second straw man argument waiting for me when I got home. At what point did I say that is the reason I don't believe in any deity?
+MsDjessa _At what point did I say that is the reason I don't believe in any deity?_
From the beginning, since it's the only reason that you gave. That's why I asked the question which you did not yet answer. What *is* your point?
I was not talking about my atheism at all in that comment. I was confirming that Dillahunty is right that it is a very bad idea to teach kids to find it terrifying to admit they don't know something.
1:00 as a father, thanks for acknowledging you're doing backseat driving with this parenting advice thing ;) most people don't do that, and often they give horrible advice.
If you want to help a parent without being a parent yourself, generally the best thing you can do is babysit.
I remember in second grade Catholic school the nun telling us the story of Abraham and Isaac and how wonderful it was that Abraham would obey God without question. I felt totally horrified and couldn't believe a father would kill his son! I just couldn't understand it. I thought to myself I would have said no!
There's a big problem with the whole Christian child abuse thing here in Arkansas, as well as a lot of religious places. Kids here aren't heard , their opinions and their ideas on things aren't even listened to. It's all the "because I'm the parent " thing. It's completely unfair to kids to not listen to their needs or how they feel about going to church or if they want to join a baseball team or not. Parents all too often just put kids in things and make them go to functions that they don't even want to go to, but each time they say hey I don't like baseball or hey I don't like this children's church , etc , the parents tells them too bad, your going . They never listen to children. It's all about control. When I was about 15 I got real smart assed with my mom because she was trying to get my to do things I didn't like and had no interest in and she would not listen to anything I had to say and didnt care that I didn't want to do them. I know some people say well you aren't 18 yet, doesn't matter , if they are trying to get me to do something that I don't want to do and I have no jnterwst in it , it is not right to force a child to do it, no matter how old they are. Why would you think that you can force a child to play tee ball or football and expect them to like it, if their not interested in it . The parents just put kids in soccer class or band and never even bother to ask the kid hey do you wanna do this ? They do it on purpose
"What to think not how to think" can be found in "Siddhartha" by Herman Hesse but I doubt that's the first instance of such a sentiment.
dk6024 that's backwards
"Do not make such jokes. I have learned from you how much a basket of fish costs and how much interest one can claim for lending money. That is your knowledge. But I did not learn how to think from you, my dear Kamaswami. It would be better if you learned that from me." I.e. "You taught me what to think but not how to think."
Roman T is right! :0)
hey Matt, do you know that your videos have been shadowbanned? I didn't know that you had new videos out. I never got notification from UA-cam.
Andres64B Others seem to have been notified.
I wanted to hear the end but you played the song. Wth
When I was being indoctrinated as a kid, I never heard of any Bible atrocities.
+Bob Owen Apparently you didn't hear anything as a kid or as an 'adult.'
What was left after taking out so much of the trash? A pamphlet? But what did you expect - it's a hate manual for the depraved. It preys on peoples fears of the unknown. That is why the dupers that perpetuate that toxic crud in the bible don't want anyone to question it. They know it can't stand up to it.
Mr Curly _it's a hate manual for the depraved_
The Beatitudes. The Lord's Prayer. Philippians.
Crusades, Inquisition, witch trials, conquest of the Americas and annihilation of cultures and civilizations, fucking little children..... I could go on and on and on.....
mr curly _Crusades, Inquisition, witch trials, conquest of the Americas and annihilation of cultures and civilizations_
And all this is in which part of the Bible, exactly? It was the Bible you were talking about. I'm sure you would never try to change the subject.
_I could go on and on and on_ Finally, a correct statement.
Everyone wants to get views, but how you do that and to what extent says a lot about you. Matt is Machiavellian up to a point.
He speaks of critical thinking but does not apply it to his own.
In his closing statement he claimed, the supervening facts are necessitated logically by the lower-order facts supervened upon together with the concepts by which the supervenient facts are identified. The extensions of our moral concepts however are not determined by the subvening facts together with the concepts themselves. Someone might in principle differ with us over the correct application of these concepts without failing to understand or share them and where all parties are fully informed about the subvening facts. And that can leave the facts of supervenience itself looking, from a naturalistic standpoint, unappealingly and peculiarly mysterious.
Matt can you please tear apart Peterson and his "truth" bs... thx
No, he can't. Peterson has no bs. You, on the other hand, must ask someone to do your work for you. That's bs.
@@aristotelian3098 lol Matt made Jordan look foolish in that debate. Or should I say Jordan made himself look foolish 😂
mmm i got the same conclusion long ago... abraham should had said that was not a God but a devil... and that bring backs something that people still can't really answer... how i know that something is god?... it could really be a demon tricking us... but the bible.. all the bible have in principle that you can know that is god talking and not a demon...
Kind of disturbing how he speaks good of/complements David Silverman in this video. Ha.
Its sad that adult christians read the actual bible and see this
There are over 33,000 Christian sects. Which Bible? There are 108 Bible versions. There are 54 half-Bibles. Take my word for it. Don't check this out.
+Bob Owen _Take my word for it. Don't check this out._
You sound like the offspring of Ron Popiel on a televangelist. Well done.
1:41 he said 23 which means he’s of the devil or something!
Obviously joking
But the God of the Bible _does_ want human sacrifice. Read the story of Jephthah in Judges 11 :30-39
I liked that one the best so far, but still... You reject all answers and all I get is Humanist Skeptical Atheism as the answer... Going to read about humanism, brb.
When I took geometry I had a proof For a particular problem that had more that 20 steps. As I was putting my proof on the board the teacher asked if anyone had a proof with fewer steps and some one offered a proof with 14 steps which was far fewer than mine. When I pointed out the error in the offered proof the teacher considered it for a few seconds, and then crossed out the proof in the book and asked me to put my proof on the board.
16:30 he he he, ive met these people.
issac was 40 in the ofring time
Matt would have made a great preacher. Don't get shook, it was just a joke. Sort of. Imagine the harm smart people can do, are doing, by preaching religious superstition.
Hey Matt would love to here a conversation between you and Jordan Peterson.
Who's Jordan Peterson?
Jordan Peterson clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. ua-cam.com/video/wwi9Q9apHGI/v-deo.html
Lols NOW I get why you would like a conversation between the two. From the feeling I got from that link you shared that'd be a fun debate. Sounds like Jordan Peterson is a wanker. I really wish people like him would stop trying to make morality out to be this impossible to answer question when it's really not. Thanks for the link. I left a comment there you may find amusing.
Angela Wrenn he undermines all the good things he says by being evasive over his religious beliefs.
Thomas Carroll
JP can say somethig good?
that would be new to me :)
Admittedly I didn't listen a lot. As a psychologist I couldn't stand even his interpretations of another author. I remember being confused and needing to factcheck if he actually is a professor. (something about his? pc research was total nonsense in methodological sense, 2nd year students -in my country-would see those flaws... I remember thinking)
I feel sorry for people who want to understand psychology, honestly - - and run into him (as he's gotten popular on yt) and can only hope those students have better other professors, and well developed critical thinking skills, and reading literature would lead them to actually understand material.
To the guy who sent me his video(s) in a first place- I suggested he goes through Crash Course psychology. It's well done and covers all basics so one can have a wider context where to put new more thorough research. (and see holes in Petersons lectures)
(goes to check that comment Demogorgon left)
Any theists in the house? Naaaaaaaaah ha ha!
your right i am talking about you and your findings what your doing is what christians do in my view you have no standing all you can do is point to someone else's bs and i call it bs because that knowledge you think is true is not your findings and you really have no idea of what is being said there for you are moving in faith
you should try using punctuation marks. it makes your comments much easier to read.
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Easier to read, but not more coherent or logical.
_I will probably get about 23 talks out of this book alone._
Of that I have no doubt, for Matt spends his time pretending to refute Christianity, but really he merely wastes his time attacking its worst arguments and examples, and criticizing something called 'religion' and its public, social effects. What he does is something akin to 'After a spirited match, Matt finally pins his squirrel.' Congratulations, Matt. You have refuted something that doesn't matter.
That's a poor technique, unconvincing and lazy. If Matt were serious about this, he would take on the best arguments that Christians have made over the centuries, which he has not done.
Instead, he does what makes him money, which is an atheist accusation of public Christians like the televangelists. Interesting, that.
You can contact him, and make your case. Also he does tons of debates, you can't complain he is addressing the worst arguments when they are the go to arguments that thiests keep using.
Abraham took his son out in the wilderness which 1000 years later was Calvary, the reason God told Abraham to kill his son was so when Jesus cried out to God from the Cross to save Him from the agony, God would have had to answer Jesus request except for that God has made a promise 1000 years earlier that because Abraham was willing to kill his son so would God also allow His Son to be killed on the cross, Jesus died on the cross and died and over came the spiritual death ( eternal separation from God ) so we don't have too. Also, God is our Father and as we love our Father we also fear his punishment.
And you know that's the reason why God commanded Abraham to do that how exactly? Sounds to me like you're making shit up. Sounds to me like the best arguments you have is to regurgitate platitudes and bible propaganda rhetoric. You know? The same stuff all Christians wrongly think is capable of impressing atheists which is why they wind up making an arse of themselves.
You get that we're not interested in propaganda rhetoric about Jesus right? You do get that we're not interested in ridiculous ad hoc excuses that are made up on the spot in order for the blindly gullible to make whatever convenient excuse they need to explain away the reprehensible nonsense they believe?
You do get that no matter how much you stay on script and keep reciting those lines of propaganda rhetoric that you're just going to continue to make an idiot of yourself. You can't preach or apologetics an atheist into submission. Hell threats make us laugh and apologetics demonstrate how desperate you are to make your vile book seems less scum baggish then it really is. Reciting the script won't get you anywhere.
The only thing we're interested in is proof. Not desperate excuses, empty threats or the silly little script you recite in order to jam your view down the throats of those who aren't interesting in hearing it.
Hey Holy Spirit. I only just made a condescending rant about how atheists are not interested in platitudes, being preached to or listening to propaganda rhetoric that Jesus loves us. And your response was to do exactly that.
I'm curious. Are you really so naive that you think I'd hear a few lines of your rhetoric and drop to my knees and be like "Yes Jesus! I will accept you as my lord and saviour!!"?
Are you really so naive that you think that if you just spew the right lines of rhetoric that we'll buy into your con?
Like I said atheists are interested in proof. Not platitudes, not rhetoric, but demonstrable, testable, falsifiable evidence under laboratory conditions. And my guess is since that you can hear an atheist explain this to you and your response is *STILL* to preach that you don't have jack shit to prove your god's existence, all you have is a desperate desire to believe and therefore an obnoxious desire to preach because like all people convinced of a malignant lie, you need us to believe too. The more of us who see your religion for what it is, the more you have to face the fact that you believe absolute nonsense and therefore the harder it is to keep pretending like you believe.
And I'm sorry that you can't handle that but that's not my problem. Piss off pal. Come back when you have some scientific proof that god exists. But we both know you'll never find any because your religion is a lie designed to control the masses. This is how idiots like you can literally have it explained to you why preaching , platitudes and propaganda rhetoric won't convince atheists and the best you can do is spew preaching platitudes and propaganda rhetoric as a response to someone explaining to you why that won't work. It's because simpletons like you are easily convinced by such nonsense and even as it's explained to you how ridiculously weak such tactics are you *STILL* can do nothing by try them.
It's because that's all your religion's got. And I don't have time for this shit. Take your preaching and cram it.
Once again Holy Spirit. I've said this to you before. Atheists ARE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING PREACHED TO!
So *STOP!!!!!!!!* preaching. You're watching yourself fail *YET AGAIN!*. We're not interested in sermons. We're not interested in claims of "truth" with a capital T. We're not interested in pathetic excuses for why you can't provide said proof but assurances that if we just blindly swallow your bullshit then one day evidence will be made manifest which is nothing more than a silly little game where you blindly accept a position and see what you want and call it proof.
We're not interested in ridiculous stories of personal revelation about how you personally prayed and then *SOMETHING/ANYTHING* happened to which you foolishly drew a ridiculous conclusion that *SOMETHING/ANYTHING* was somehow god manifesting instead of being a ridiculous non-event that you twisted into something/anything it's not because you wanted to accept Jesus.
We're not interested in people who play silly little games like that. We're not interested in platitudes or being preached too. So stop already. No sale here. I'm not buying the nonsense you're spewing. And I know you desperately want to convince me because you're infected with a mind virus that makes you have to seek out other suckers and infect them too no matter how rude or annoying you have to be to do so. But I'm immune to the ridiculous methods that people use to infect people. You're literally seeing your pathetic tactics fail and yet even as they fail you keep desperately trying to make them work.
Well they're not going to work. Please provide some demonstrable, scientific evidence of your god's existence to me. That's the *ONLY* way you can prove something's existence, no matter what it is. Please provide said evidence, otherwise I'm going to write you off as just another pathetic wanna believer so desperate to make everyone else just like him so you don't have to face people who remind you of how ridiculous and laughable the bullshit you pretend to believe in really is.
We're done Holy Spirit. I've said this to you multiple times now. You *CANNOT* preach an atheist into submission. *EVERY* single desperate to believe Christian who plays this silly little game that you're playing right now can only ever do this. Preach preach preach preach preach preaaaaaaaacccccccccchhhhhhhhhh!!!
As I've stated before and will do so again, it doesn't matter how you word the preaching, or how many times you keep asserting that your claim is "truth" or "reality" at the end of the day all you have is a silly little script in which you regurgitate the same pathetic lines of propaganda rhetoric that were able to convince you. Because that's all you have. No evidence, no proof, just a grand assertion that you desperately hope no one can see for the empty assertion that it is.
*IF* you had some proof of god you would've presented it and even when I lead you down the path, explaining as I go how I know you're being irrational, all you can do is keep regurgitating the same lines of nonsense. You have not said anything I haven't heard a billion times before from people like you who are desperate to make everyone else believe you.
It's no more than a recycled sales pitch. And you're only interested in making everyone else believe in your god so you don't have to face skepticism for holding obviously wrong beliefs. Know how I know? I've already told you how. When someone is convinced of something they present evidence. They don't duck and dodge doing that every chance they're told to present some and go right back to preaching!
Quit stalling, quit regurgitating your script. I'm not interested in these silly little games. Last chance. You have only one more then I'm just going to start ignoring you. Your best scientific evidence for god is what?
No more preaching, no more desperate sales pitches about how if I just accept your position to be true then I'll see that you're not full of crap all along. No more exaggerated claims of "truth" and "reality" or ridiculous nonsense about darkness and all that other pathetic metaphoric gibberish.
Your best proof for god is?
Annnndddd we're done here Holy Spirit. Told you that's all you have. The same silly little script over and over again. Nothing. Nothing but empty assertions and a series of never ending excuses for why you can't present evidence for your god. Nothing but preaching.
I told you that you've got nothing but a desperate belief and you've done *EXACTLY* what I said you would. Just keep on preaching loooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg after it's become blatantly obvious that's all you've got and that it's insufficient nonsense. That lost desperation that if they just listen to your words then they'll realise how right you are all along even though they're literally and correctly pointing out the only plays you can make when you're malignantly wrong. You have *ALL* the tells of a person who desperately believes ridiculou s nonsense and you can't hide who you really are from me. I know you'll just keep preaching as a response to this hoping desperately that I won't see you for who you really are (I already do!).
But don't bother. We're through here. I've called your bluff for the pathetic, desperate to believe nonsense and desperate to convince everyone else so you don't have to face knowing deep down that you're wrong for what it truly is. You can lie to yourself and tell yourself and others whatever they or you need to hear to buy into your con. But not me. Don't bother responding to me anymore because I won't read anything else you have to say. I've given you *PLENTY* of opportunity to present more than the mindless script you can *ONLY* ever recite in this ridiculous recruiting mission you pretend that you're on. But we both know the only reason why you need to recruit others is because those of us who see your religion of bullshit spoil the fund and remind you of how desperate and pathetic your need to believe crap that you obviously don't really believe. You just want to believe. How do I know? Because like I said all you have is the same pathetic script over and over again and I'm done humoring you.
I've sat you down and explained to you *HOW* I know you're full of shit and your only response is to just keep preaching. Well we're done here. Conversation's over. Don't bother replying, like I said I won't read it and I'll already know in advance what a desperate pathetic lie it'll be. So just walk away. But you won't. You'll get that last desperate sales pitch in won't you? Perhaps throw in a few empty hell threats for good measure, but it'll be a waste of your time and you'll make nothing but a further fool of yourself. I won't read anything else you have to say so you might as well quit with a shred of dignity.
Either way. We're done here. Buh bye.
All religions are based on saturn worship and the worship of planets/stars.
Oh, how I miss the pre-Woke Matt.
A common case of grooming.