This was my favorite episode yet, and they are all fantastic. The talk about how amazing it is that we get to be alive is something I’ve been trying to convey to my friends who I think are stuck in this self deprecating state we have convinced each other is the healthy response to life. As a woman in my mid 20s who used to be very prone to ruminating about how the world was against me I like when people talk about how great life is.
Corrina is one of my favorite people on this topic she’s great writer and so eloquent. The WAPO op/Ed was beautifully written. She thinks before she talks.
This one really touched me. I was recently diagnosed with Grave's Disease and have been feeling like my life is pretty much over, but was able to draw from the conversation about being grateful for being able to experience certain sensate things. Hopefully I can build on that within myself and go on. Beautiful conversation even outside of the gender situation
Re “fixation on identity.” Identity, as it’s understood today, wasn’t a word when I was young. “ID” was a card verifying that one was of age to buy alcohol. We didn’t think about identity as something in which we had much of a choice. We had personalities, character. These could be enhanced with the development of things like communication skills or moral depth. As for how people saw us, we could impact that only by living honestly and transparently. Now identity has devolved from character to pronouns. One’s “true self” is expressed by aligning one’s body and style sense with gender stereotypes. It’s as though we think individual personality is unattainable. And that we can coerce others into validating that tiny fraction of our character we “identify as.”
This is SUCH a wonderful conversation, it really is. I especially love the segment beginning around 51:15 leading in to Corinna talking about celebrating life, but the entire thing is just staggeringly good. So articulate, contemplative, humour-filled, kind and generous. Thank you both. Wish you'd come to Brisbane, Australia.
I will definitely check out heterodorx! I ::love:: the sensitivity and honesty of this interview. Thank you Corinna and Stephanie. The resilience and humor is refreshing in this space, and on this topic. I'm so grateful for the analysis as well. This is such valuable work you're doing. I salute you both.
I feel so bad for these folks. They were playing by the rules society set before them and were just hurting and lost. We have to protect these folks while fighting the movement that created them.
Great episode, thanks! 51:00 from here to the end, the conversation gets really profound. I've always thought that part of what drives trans-identification is the current culture of disembodiment, by which I mean something more than things like physical & sexual trauma, body dysmorphia, etc. I mean the way that people today, and especially young people, aren't in their bodies. We live on screens, and our bodies are just there to be drugged or altered. Beauty, movement, development of physical skills ... these things are all whithering these days. People are alienated from their bodies. 39:00 I don't agree with harm reduction arguments. I *understand* the arguments, but I think it's wrong to do wrong things. "Well, it's less wrong than that other thing." It's still wrong. Harm is harm.
I agree with you, I think a lot of the trans movement and push for medicalization is from people who are so disconnected from their bodies. I think there’s a lot of trauma and mental illness going on that is undiagnosed unacknowledged, and completely ignored in favor of medicalization. It’s really sad.
Man, I am loving this podcast, and this guest. Corrina gives parents of boys, who are demanding medical, transition hope. Because even if the "worst" happens and he follows through with the procedures I will be powerless to stop, he can come out the other side as wonderful as Corinna.
‘He can come out the other side as wonderful as Corrina.’ I’m sorry, but the fact that you’ve completely skipped over all the horrors this person has survived (his own term) is mind-bending. It sounds like you feel powerless to influence your son. Which I get is pretty common when someone gets drawn into this path, it can feel very cult-like and hopeless. It is delusional to focus on the ‘upside’ of what is clearly a horrific life choice. If you have any influence over this child whatsoever, you should be doing everything in your power to persuade them to at least wait til they’re 25, and get some kind of counseling that helps them deal with whatever underlying emotional health issues are driving the urge toward what is basically drastic self-mutilation.
Please for the love of God and all that is good- detach your child permanently from his phone, his friend group, his public school, his computer unsupervised. Give him more time with male family members you trust. Give him more of YOUR time. You have the power here. You are the parent. Assuming your kid is still a minor of course. There are ways to mitigate this. Many ways.
Do you think men don't feel the same? More violence is directed to us than to women actually! If you feel safe walking down the street in a skirt, high heels and a pony tail then you are either very nieve or You Feel SAFE!!! We men never leave ourselves that vulnerable, we know that violence is always possible, we have to accept it and avoid certain men to lessen the chances of aggression towards us.
This is an amazing interview because it is more than an interview. It is a conversation in which the two participants together build a valuable understanding of reality by reflecting ideas off each other without sacrificing their separate perspectives. I am impressed with Corinna's honesty in facing 'loss', which was actually stolen, taken without informed consent. Why would anyone with Corinna's obvious brain and sense of proportion consent to the surgical removal of body parts that had nothing wrong with them? I would call that treatment: 'genital, sexual and social mutilation'. It's like someone with a strong belief that they have ingrowing toenails which stops them walking and the only solution is to have their legs amputated. Some doctors will do that and then minimise the 'side effects' of the wonderful cure, eg, by giving them a wheelchair. Do surgeons get some kind of sado-sexual high from performing these procedures or is it just money? I enjoy the blunt but fair statement of facts by Some Excellent Kind of Therapist, eg, calling a spade a spade by using the term: 'child abuse'. She was not shy to present reality in the face of insanity where Corinna was reticent. Corinna explained the cult-like aspects of this weird phenomenon and the huge pressures applied to trans-people to conform and commend the treatment, lest they lose the small number of 'friends' they still have.
Given that there are so many lies surrounding this topic, its very necessary for people to speak the truth and more importantly to hear it. The denial surrounding this topic is as big as the denial surrounding the devastating impact of pornography on our lives.
9:44 - wow. "What am I" - such honesty and truth. I must say that Corinna sounds and reasons as a thoughtful man (in the best possible meaning of the word.)
Cording to W path, literature, 75 to 80% of males who have their testicles removed lose their libido. Well I wanna know is those that go through with that surgery, are they told about that statistic? Are they willing to give up that possibility? I don’t believe that the node complications and issues are properly discussed with patient.
38:30 Love Corinna! I do disagree with this whole segment though. It's mind-boggling that medical professionals would cooperate with adult males who have a para - feel - ee - ya for self-mutilation. If someone is schizophrenic and determined to amputate their own leg because they're convinced an alien is living in their leg, no surgeon should participate in that. If this mentally unwell person is threatening to hurt themselves unless they get what they want, that is still no reason to do the surgery for them! Most especially when this is about catering to male para - feel - ee - ya. Treat the para - feel - ee - ya. You don't play along with it, even to the point of legitimising it as if it is an "identity category" of an oppressed minority group. Why is self-multination for s* purposes now considered almost a consumer purchase which the medical professional is obliged to participate in? This is degeneracy. This is a perversion of what medicine should be seeking to do. ("First do no harm") eta: I am not suggesting Corinna was arguing for these points btw, just that Corinna seems to be more in favour of doing these procedures, where I am 100% against ANY cooperation by medical professionals.
I agree with you on this one. I was surprised to hear Corinna’s approach, which I would categorize as the “harm reduction” argument. I thought it was an interesting segment of conversation. But I’m still with you here.
Had the surgery at age 19?? Wow! So I know that it’s very popular for young adults to get tattoos and piercings these days. A few years ago I remember reading that the vast majority of people who get tattoos and other “body modifications” do so before the age of 25. Coincidentally age 25 is about when the brain finishes developing. Young adults are naive, prone to make rash decisions and lack the life experience to really consider the long-term effects. For instance at age 30, a lot of people who previously thought they’d never want kids change their mind. I feel like a LOT of the gender ideology narrative stems from the glorification of body modification subculture. IIRC BME magazine (the infamous BME Pain Olympics!) had ties with the Harry Benjamin society, which is now known as WPATH. There’s a reason why all the young adults who identify as trans (and especially non-binary) tend to have lots of tattoos, piercings, and blue hair.
The main thing I think whenever I listen to Corinna is a desperate wish that we lived in a world that permitted him to be a happy little femme gay boy who grew into a happy femme gay man. But we don't, and instead he broke himself in an attempt to fit into a broken world. He is very admirable for creating a positive, effective life in the face of such a powerful headwind.
17:36 Thank you ~ This exact question has been popping into my head for weeks! Maybe now it’ll go away. 🙏 *“Have you heard of these surgeries going well for people? …”*
53:12 I also revel in that ability of just dashing off somewhere, and back again 🏃🏻🤸 🙂 . It is a gift to be enjoyed indeed! There is a favourite scene of mine in the first part of the 1959 novel "The Lantern Bearers": 18-year-old Aquila challenges his younger sister to a running contest back to the farmhouse where they grew up together. This scene gets extra meaning, when you realise that it's author, Rosemary Sutcliff, couldn't run herself: She had juvenile idiopathic arthritis from an early age. In the book, brother and sister are separated a few nights later, when their farm is attacked.
This honesty regarding a woman's vaginal elasticity is important. My ex-husband wanted to attract hetero men by having surgeries to appear "female." I knew about one date he had with this kind of guy, how it didn't succeed and there was no 2nd date. He later developed a relationship with a needy female, who complained to me about child support the father of my children was required to pay. "We're paying off my college loans." she said. Ute Heggen, author of In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
These people abandon their children and families in favor of pursuing a delusional fantasy. I hear about AGP males blowing their family finances on all new clothes, the cosmetic procedures, etc. leaving their partners financially destitute. Kind of like how some bipolar people go on reckless manic spending sprees.
A woman's vaginal elasticity is important, a vagina must stretch during child birth. A neo-vagina will not stretch like a cis vagina will and will also need lube. That is why a neo=vagina needs to be dilated.
I have heard thru the grape vine 2 reasons why Corina is unhappy as a transsexual , one could be addressed easily & is by others . The second really makes me question why she transitioned . I have also heard she is a lovely person, no one has anything bad to say about her. If i am not sexually active i will need to dilate 2-3 times a month for an hour with exactly the same medical dilator made for women , The amount of tissue ( penis size ) can be adjusted with topical testosterone at the point of first ejaculation & hormone treatment , blockers ( not done at the correct time with Jazz for example ). Trans groups are toxic on many levels , the people i know share privately which surgeons are very good at what they do and who have very low complication rates . 49:00 You can make the same argument with abortion, someone willingly had sex ( 98% of the time ). I do not consent to a lot of things that people choose to do or vote for but i can only choose what i do & how i interact with others. Towards the end you were asking Corina about influences & books , so on. I believe this line of questioning is from the false assumption that we lacked a certain something or nudge to go in the "right" direction . This is false because it is our difference in personality, aptitudes, interests , for most of us how we play and are at odds with the norms causing a sort of cognitive dissonance along with the stress of that awareness . All the things that are done to us and cause us PTSD , splitting ect are a consequence of us being very different as children not the other way around. I know this is the childhood norm for all the transsexuals that i know personally. Thank you for this conversation link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01541833 link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-011-9805-6
According to trans regretter Jazz's lawyer (?) puberty blockers and surgery reassignment are mutually exclusive because puberty blockers limit the tissue growth necessary for surgery.
Victims of gender medicine could be Gender -medicine harm sufferers. Or maybe person harmed by gender medicine. Cumbersome to say but maybe slightly more accurate? Thanks for the podcast
SomeTheripist caution: all caps or all lower case can be read as SoMeTheRapist.... YEIKS not good. Your courage and candor is outstanding. You are brave, well intended and generous.
Endocrinology is outside my ken, but I naively wonder if testosterone might not make for a less attenuated "puff", or even something requiring a different metaphor.
I would not transition earlier. Because I would not be able to have biological children if I want. I would not know what it is to experience my biological sex.
I found the discussion about female and male protagonists in fantasy literature very interesting. I couldn’t help but hear the attributes that Corinna was seeking in the male protagonists as attributes that are embodied by Jesus. The attributes of a good Father and friend whose impulse is love over aggression. I think some of the best heroes both male and female are modeled after Christ and that as young people we seek that wholeness and redemption Jesus offers. I was kind of screaming in my head well there’s Harry Potter but I realize that came much later but I think there are many parallels between Harry’s character and Jesus and it’s worth considering. I love this episode thank you so much for sharing!
Could there just be some people who get a kick out of trying to tell God he was wrong? Could the trans phenomenon be an escape attempt from being born not-that-physically-attractive? What if the beautifying elective surgeries were covered by insurance the way trans surgeries are? Why aren't they? Is there an ulterior motive for putting this idea into the zeitgeist? ie. Consent to self-sterilization?
I have always felt horrible for the young people who seem to believe that their sexuality is the only interesting thing about them. Go boogie boarding!
16:08 can you imagine the comments that would result if Benjamin Boyce made that same joke with a lady interlocutor? 😮 Moxic tasculinity? Prans trivilege? One of the nabove? Pick your poison. 🕶️
I don't appreciate how being a detransitioner willing to say something is given so much attention, above and beyond the 97% or 98% who don't detransition.
She didn’t have a trans person on to talk positively about transition. She had a detrans person on. Cory isn’t happy with his transition. Doesn’t he get to speak? Why do y’all get so mad when people detransition? Is it because you’re in a cult and if someone defects, it makes you look bad? Just shush.
Corinna is so well spoken and is a pleasure to listen to and learn from.
Yes, Corinna is very gracious.
This was my favorite episode yet, and they are all fantastic. The talk about how amazing it is that we get to be alive is something I’ve been trying to convey to my friends who I think are stuck in this self deprecating state we have convinced each other is the healthy response to life. As a woman in my mid 20s who used to be very prone to ruminating about how the world was against me I like when people talk about how great life is.
"Trans burnout" is an interesting concept. I look forward to hearing more from Corrina on this.
Corrina is one of my favorite people on this topic she’s great writer and so eloquent. The WAPO op/Ed was beautifully written. She thinks before she talks.
Late to the party, but thoroughly enjoyed this. Desisted eight months ago after 13 years of living as a “trans man.” Thank you for the sane content.
I never would have considered the danger of switching off of hormones like that. Very illuminating.
This one really touched me. I was recently diagnosed with Grave's Disease and have been feeling like my life is pretty much over, but was able to draw from the conversation about being grateful for being able to experience certain sensate things. Hopefully I can build on that within myself and go on. Beautiful conversation even outside of the gender situation
I always appreciate Corinna's efforts for precision on things. It is honesty fueled by a great deal of respect for self others and language.
Re “fixation on identity.” Identity, as it’s understood today, wasn’t a word when I was young. “ID” was a card verifying that one was of age to buy alcohol. We didn’t think about identity as something in which we had much of a choice. We had personalities, character. These could be enhanced with the development of things like communication skills or moral depth. As for how people saw us, we could impact that only by living honestly and transparently.
Now identity has devolved from character to pronouns. One’s “true self” is expressed by aligning one’s body and style sense with gender stereotypes. It’s as though we think individual personality is unattainable. And that we can coerce others into validating that tiny fraction of our character we “identify as.”
Indeed - if anything, we Americans would warn each other OUT of the identity trap - it usually leads to a pride spiral of self-destruction.
This is SUCH a wonderful conversation, it really is. I especially love the segment beginning around 51:15 leading in to Corinna talking about celebrating life, but the entire thing is just staggeringly good. So articulate, contemplative, humour-filled, kind and generous. Thank you both. Wish you'd come to Brisbane, Australia.
Thank you Corinna Cohn for being so brave and speaking out for the future of children growing up in this world at this time.
I totally appreciate your ability to laugh in the situation that you’re in Corina. And I love the hard joke that you made.
This podcast is one of the most brutal, yet gentle, and without question, insightful, I have ever seen. Thank you both.
I will definitely check out heterodorx! I ::love:: the sensitivity and honesty of this interview. Thank you Corinna and Stephanie. The resilience and humor is refreshing in this space, and on this topic. I'm so grateful for the analysis as well. This is such valuable work you're doing. I salute you both.
Hope you like the jingle… I hear it in my head every time I see Corinna’s name anywhere.
This was such a refreshingly intelligent conversation, thank-you both.
I feel so bad for these folks. They were playing by the rules society set before them and were just hurting and lost. We have to protect these folks while fighting the movement that created them.
Great episode, thanks!
51:00 from here to the end, the conversation gets really profound. I've always thought that part of what drives trans-identification is the current culture of disembodiment, by which I mean something more than things like physical & sexual trauma, body dysmorphia, etc. I mean the way that people today, and especially young people, aren't in their bodies. We live on screens, and our bodies are just there to be drugged or altered. Beauty, movement, development of physical skills ... these things are all whithering these days. People are alienated from their bodies.
39:00 I don't agree with harm reduction arguments. I *understand* the arguments, but I think it's wrong to do wrong things. "Well, it's less wrong than that other thing." It's still wrong. Harm is harm.
I agree with you, I think a lot of the trans movement and push for medicalization is from people who are so disconnected from their bodies. I think there’s a lot of trauma and mental illness going on that is undiagnosed unacknowledged, and completely ignored in favor of medicalization. It’s really sad.
Man, I am loving this podcast, and this guest. Corrina gives parents of boys, who are demanding medical, transition hope. Because even if the "worst" happens and he follows through with the procedures I will be powerless to stop, he can come out the other side as wonderful as Corinna.
‘He can come out the other side as wonderful as Corrina.’
I’m sorry, but the fact that you’ve completely skipped over all the horrors this person has survived (his own term) is mind-bending.
It sounds like you feel powerless to influence your son. Which I get is pretty common when someone gets drawn into this path, it can feel very cult-like and hopeless.
It is delusional to focus on the ‘upside’ of what is clearly a horrific life choice. If you have any influence over this child whatsoever, you should be doing everything in your power to persuade them to at least wait til they’re 25, and get some kind of counseling that helps them deal with whatever underlying emotional health issues are driving the urge toward what is basically drastic self-mutilation.
Please for the love of God and all that is good- detach your child permanently from his phone, his friend group, his public school, his computer unsupervised. Give him more time with male family members you trust. Give him more of YOUR time.
You have the power here. You are the parent.
Assuming your kid is still a minor of course.
There are ways to mitigate this. Many ways.
My favorite bit: 52:45
Also, this rang true for me: "The world’s not safe.” Yes. And she’s right, this is how it is for women.
Do you think men don't feel the same? More violence is directed to us than to women actually!
If you feel safe walking down the street in a skirt, high heels and a pony tail then you are either very nieve or You Feel SAFE!!!
We men never leave ourselves that vulnerable, we know that violence is always possible, we have to accept it and avoid certain men to lessen the chances of aggression towards us.
Really great interview!
What a great conversation. I enjoyed it
The length of time it took my friends' son to save the money for the surgery he thought he wanted gave him space to reconsider.
This is an amazing interview because it is more than an interview. It is a conversation in which the two participants together build a valuable understanding of reality by reflecting ideas off each other without sacrificing their separate perspectives.
I am impressed with Corinna's honesty in facing 'loss', which was actually stolen, taken without informed consent. Why would anyone with Corinna's obvious brain and sense of proportion consent to the surgical removal of body parts that had nothing wrong with them? I would call that treatment: 'genital, sexual and social mutilation'. It's like someone with a strong belief that they have ingrowing toenails which stops them walking and the only solution is to have their legs amputated. Some doctors will do that and then minimise the 'side effects' of the wonderful cure, eg, by giving them a wheelchair. Do surgeons get some kind of sado-sexual high from performing these procedures or is it just money?
I enjoy the blunt but fair statement of facts by Some Excellent Kind of Therapist, eg, calling a spade a spade by using the term: 'child abuse'. She was not shy to present reality in the face of insanity where Corinna was reticent. Corinna explained the cult-like aspects of this weird phenomenon and the huge pressures applied to trans-people to conform and commend the treatment, lest they lose the small number of 'friends' they still have.
Given that there are so many lies surrounding this topic, its very necessary for people to speak the truth and more importantly to hear it. The denial surrounding this topic is as big as the denial surrounding the devastating impact of pornography on our lives.
9:44 - wow. "What am I" - such honesty and truth. I must say that Corinna sounds and reasons as a thoughtful man (in the best possible meaning of the word.)
47:34 deep.
I mean
Damn
I thank you for thinking longer on this than I thought possible
Cording to W path, literature, 75 to 80% of males who have their testicles removed lose their libido. Well I wanna know is those that go through with that surgery, are they told about that statistic? Are they willing to give up that possibility? I don’t believe that the node complications and issues are properly discussed with patient.
THANKS Corinna.
38:30 Love Corinna! I do disagree with this whole segment though. It's mind-boggling that medical professionals would cooperate with adult males who have a para - feel - ee - ya for self-mutilation. If someone is schizophrenic and determined to amputate their own leg because they're convinced an alien is living in their leg, no surgeon should participate in that. If this mentally unwell person is threatening to hurt themselves unless they get what they want, that is still no reason to do the surgery for them! Most especially when this is about catering to male para - feel - ee - ya. Treat the para - feel - ee - ya. You don't play along with it, even to the point of legitimising it as if it is an "identity category" of an oppressed minority group.
Why is self-multination for s* purposes now considered almost a consumer purchase which the medical professional is obliged to participate in? This is degeneracy. This is a perversion of what medicine should be seeking to do. ("First do no harm")
eta: I am not suggesting Corinna was arguing for these points btw, just that Corinna seems to be more in favour of doing these procedures, where I am 100% against ANY cooperation by medical professionals.
I agree with you on this one. I was surprised to hear Corinna’s approach, which I would categorize as the “harm reduction” argument. I thought it was an interesting segment of conversation. But I’m still with you here.
Do you have a problem with the old model of care for transsexuals as well ?
Corinna is saying that truly informed consent is better than an "underground" and black market for services.
Had the surgery at age 19?? Wow! So I know that it’s very popular for young adults to get tattoos and piercings these days. A few years ago I remember reading that the vast majority of people who get tattoos and other “body modifications” do so before the age of 25. Coincidentally age 25 is about when the brain finishes developing. Young adults are naive, prone to make rash decisions and lack the life experience to really consider the long-term effects. For instance at age 30, a lot of people who previously thought they’d never want kids change their mind. I feel like a LOT of the gender ideology narrative stems from the glorification of body modification subculture. IIRC BME magazine (the infamous BME Pain Olympics!) had ties with the Harry Benjamin society, which is now known as WPATH. There’s a reason why all the young adults who identify as trans (and especially non-binary) tend to have lots of tattoos, piercings, and blue hair.
A victim of gender medicine recently used the phrase "recovering."
The medical industrial complex. Being handed to doctor Mengele as guinea pigs for their depraved and arrogant experiments.
The main thing I think whenever I listen to Corinna is a desperate wish that we lived in a world that permitted him to be a happy little femme gay boy who grew into a happy femme gay man. But we don't, and instead he broke himself in an attempt to fit into a broken world. He is very admirable for creating a positive, effective life in the face of such a powerful headwind.
17:36 Thank you ~ This exact question has been popping into my head for weeks! Maybe now it’ll go away. 🙏
*“Have you heard of these surgeries going well for people? …”*
These two look like siblings, particularly when they smile. 😊
Wowza, hell of a title!
18:15 Stephanie, who are you referencing here? "Julie Sevine"?
Jalisa Vine. Thanks for asking.
Looks like she may have removed that video from her channel
@@sometherapist Thank you. I found it. I know they probably wanted it removed, but it was mirrored elsewhere.
@@sometherapistdo you know her Twitter handle? Can’t find her on Twitter
Thanks for your openness.
Corinna is hilarious 😂 I enjoy listening to Corinna, even when discussing very painful subjects matters.
53:12 I also revel in that ability of just dashing off somewhere, and back again 🏃🏻🤸 🙂 . It is a gift to be enjoyed indeed!
There is a favourite scene of mine in the first part of the 1959 novel "The Lantern Bearers":
18-year-old Aquila challenges his younger sister to a running contest back to the farmhouse where they grew up together.
This scene gets extra meaning, when you realise that it's author, Rosemary Sutcliff, couldn't run herself: She had juvenile idiopathic arthritis from an early age.
In the book, brother and sister are separated a few nights later, when their farm is attacked.
This honesty regarding a woman's vaginal elasticity is important. My ex-husband wanted to attract hetero men by having surgeries to appear "female." I knew about one date he had with this kind of guy, how it didn't succeed and there was no 2nd date. He later developed a relationship with a needy female, who complained to me about child support the father of my children was required to pay. "We're paying off my college loans." she said.
Ute Heggen, author of In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
These people abandon their children and families in favor of pursuing a delusional fantasy. I hear about AGP males blowing their family finances on all new clothes, the cosmetic procedures, etc. leaving their partners financially destitute. Kind of like how some bipolar people go on reckless manic spending sprees.
A woman's vaginal elasticity is important, a vagina must stretch during child birth. A neo-vagina will not stretch like a cis vagina will and will also need lube. That is why a neo=vagina needs to be dilated.
I have heard thru the grape vine 2 reasons why Corina is unhappy as a transsexual , one could be addressed easily & is by others . The second really makes me question why she transitioned . I have also heard she is a lovely person, no one has anything bad to say about her.
If i am not sexually active i will need to dilate 2-3 times a month for an hour with exactly the same medical dilator made for women , The amount of tissue ( penis size ) can be adjusted with topical testosterone at the point of first ejaculation & hormone treatment , blockers ( not done at the correct time with Jazz for example ).
Trans groups are toxic on many levels , the people i know share privately which surgeons are very good at what they do and who have very low complication rates .
49:00 You can make the same argument with abortion, someone willingly had sex ( 98% of the time ). I do not consent to a lot of things that people choose to do or vote for but i can only choose what i do & how i interact with others.
Towards the end you were asking Corina about influences & books , so on. I believe this line of questioning is from the false assumption that we lacked a certain something or nudge to go in the "right" direction . This is false because it is our difference in personality, aptitudes, interests , for most of us how we play and are at odds with the norms causing a sort of cognitive dissonance along with the stress of that awareness . All the things that are done to us and cause us PTSD , splitting ect are a consequence of us being very different as children not the other way around. I know this is the childhood norm for all the transsexuals that i know personally. Thank you for this conversation
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01541833 link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-011-9805-6
According to trans regretter Jazz's lawyer (?) puberty blockers and surgery reassignment are mutually exclusive because puberty blockers limit the tissue growth necessary for surgery.
You’re thinking of Jazz’s surgeon, Marci Bowers
Victims of gender medicine could be Gender -medicine harm sufferers. Or maybe person harmed by gender medicine. Cumbersome to say but maybe slightly more accurate? Thanks for the podcast
I think to some degree this all started with the Al Pacino movie Dog Day Afternoon back in the 70's.
You are hilarious Corinna
Corrina the broadening your interests goes for anyone obsessed with something they never will be able to have. Anything.
SomeTheripist caution: all caps or all lower case can be read as SoMeTheRapist.... YEIKS not good. Your courage and candor is outstanding. You are brave, well intended and generous.
Endocrinology is outside my ken, but I naively wonder if testosterone might not make for a less attenuated "puff", or even something requiring a different metaphor.
I would not transition earlier. Because I would not be able to have biological children if I want. I would not know what it is to experience my biological sex.
Like all good content in this highly specific lane, I get the sense that I’m listening to people play with a matroshka rubix tessaract.
❤️❤️ love to you both
47:30
I found the discussion about female and male protagonists in fantasy literature very interesting. I couldn’t help but hear the attributes that Corinna was seeking in the male protagonists as attributes that are embodied by Jesus. The attributes of a good Father and friend whose impulse is love over aggression. I think some of the best heroes both male and female are modeled after Christ and that as young people we seek that wholeness and redemption Jesus offers. I was kind of screaming in my head well there’s Harry Potter but I realize that came much later but I think there are many parallels between Harry’s character and Jesus and it’s worth considering. I love this episode thank you so much for sharing!
I believe that the author of the Harry Potter books is a Christian. She has said that the books were partly inspired by Christianity.
Why do you bring Christianity into this ?
O m
Does he use only women's spaces ?
Not anymore
Please bring Corinna back on , Nina also :)
He’s been doing immense works with legislators
13:12 Did you mean oophorectomy? You said hysterectomy.
Probably She meant hysterectomy and oophorectony ( or ovariectomy) combined .
Could there just be some people who get a kick out of trying to tell God he was wrong? Could the trans phenomenon be an escape attempt from being born not-that-physically-attractive? What if the beautifying elective surgeries were covered by insurance the way trans surgeries are? Why aren't they? Is there an ulterior motive for putting this idea into the zeitgeist? ie. Consent to self-sterilization?
Underground culture, i did not know
I have always felt horrible for the young people who seem to believe that their sexuality is the only interesting thing about them. Go boogie boarding!
White water rafting! Hiking and horses!!!
16:08 can you imagine the comments that would result if Benjamin Boyce made that same joke with a lady interlocutor? 😮
Moxic tasculinity? Prans trivilege? One of the nabove? Pick your poison. 🕶️
I don't appreciate how being a detransitioner willing to say something is given so much attention, above and beyond the 97% or 98% who don't detransition.
She didn’t have a trans person on to talk positively about transition. She had a detrans person on. Cory isn’t happy with his transition. Doesn’t he get to speak? Why do y’all get so mad when people detransition? Is it because you’re in a cult and if someone defects, it makes you look bad?
Just shush.