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I think Corinna asked one of the most profound questions I’ve heard regarding this discussion & her transition mtf: “why should I consider myself a subcategory of women instead of a subcategory of men?”
Exactly....catagory of male....so please blokes, keep them in your spaces etc. Why do we women always have to bend and accommodate male behaviour. Always a great listen from you both and your fabulous guests. ❤
@@Ciara-ASMR It was a statement of the obvious, but I suppose there is an element of brilliance in recognising the obvious when the main aim of the gender cult is to obscure it. I did wonder why Stella and Sacha refer to Corinna as 'she' even though Corinna has acknowledged being male.
I agree with Sasha about the need to clarify what is actually going in in regards to these procedures. We keep hearing the term "transition" "fully transitioned" "transitioning" "sex reassignment surgery." We need to think about what this actually means. What are these people transitioning to and from? We need to stop using the term "transition" and "sex reassignment" to refer to these procedures. It is impossible to change sex, so there _is no transition._ What is actually happening is a person is flooding their body with exogenous hormones, cross-dressing, and/or having their genitals cosmetically altered. The only changes that are taking place are superficial and cosmetic. I think this is very dangerous for vulnerable youth who hear these terms and think that some kind of magical transformation is occurring and they are changing into something else rather than just sterilizing themselves and having cosmetic procedures done. They are being sold a lie that is harmful for their bodies and expectations. There is power in language. I'm not sure how we can fully shift away from using these sorts of terms, but I think it needs to happen in order for us to move forward in better treating this population.
So why are you trying to stop people from being trans when you think killing unborn babies is fine? Are you this insistent on pushing women to admit they paid to have their fetus killed as you are in wanting to push trans people into uncomfortable social situations just for your own pettiness?
Exactly!! There is no transition, there are only cosmetic adjustments happening. It's really tragic that nobody knows exactly how well they will pass before starting the cross sex hormones 😢
Thanks all, and particularly to Corinna for being so honest and open as usual. I’ve been listening to you all separately for several years and am so very grateful to you for all your contributions in this sphere. I have heard so many distressing life stories relating to the impact of gender ideology I didn’t expect to feel so moved by this conversation, but I found it heartbreaking listening again to Corinna relate certain aspects of her life experience. You’re an incredible person Corinna, I can’t imagine the emotional toll it takes to keep talking publicly about your experiences and opinions, but your voice is incredibly impactful and necessary. I’m so pleased you have found self-acceptance and a purposeful, positive way forward in life. Thank you and every good wish for the future
As a woman training to become a child and adolescent therapist, you give me hope, Sasha and Stella. I want to do right by ALL my patients. I want to support them to be their best selves and transform their lives by reclaiming their power and healing their wounds. I do NOT want to be prohibited by government, on pain of losing my license, from doing real therapy with young people and showing them TRUE compassion.
A fabulous episode. Corinne was wonderful - a thoughtful person who clearly wasn’t afraid to dig deep and share. And you two fabulous interviewers … I’ve listened to and watched you so much now you’re starting to feel like family. Kindest thoughts to you all from a 76yo Aussie ‘sheila’ who’s learning so much about these issues from you.
I wish in Germany we had more of these important chanals and books about gender. I try to speak to friends about the issue, but here's still a lot to do. If Self-ID passes in Germany it will also take some time and energy to undo it. Thank you to all of you for your commitment!
36:05 This is such an important point. I recall in undergrad social psychology we studied intergroup relations and there were 3 minority orientations: one is social activism, another is self-hatred, and a third is acceptance of minority roles in society (tempered by self-validation, rather than forcing societal acceptance). I think it’s a useful frame for understanding trans activism, where we currently see attempts to force societal validation. We also see a few (highly visible) trans people who are (unironically) critical in a very negative and insensitive manner. Corinne seems to be modeling the third approach, which is reflexive and prioritizes self-acceptance.
@@L_Martin it really is. Like painting themselves into a corner. Several trans identifying people have talked about experiencing severe body dysmorphia after going thru medical transition procedures and feeling more trapped now than they did prior. When we truly accept ourselves as we are, there is no need for any external validation based on our outside appearance because our identity is rooted in something deeper.
Thank you all for such an intelligent and enlightening conversation. Corinna's honesty about her experiences, and wisdom gained from looking deeply and critically at her place in the world as a transsexual, is refreshing. So too are Sasha and Stella's kind and gentle approach to this discussion. Thank you all for the important work you are doing.
Quite blown away by this video. Perhaps the best I've listened to on this issue. Harrowing and heartening at the same time. Thanks so much to Corina and both of you.
The futility thing was really insightful -- there are things you're bigger than, and there are things that are bigger than you. Realizing what's bigger than you is so important, because we can waste so much time struggling against it. And the worst part about that is that it turns your own strength against you -- the stronger and more persistent you are, the longer it will take for you to reach the level of exhaustion and futility you need to reach to just drop the baggage and go, "Okay, I'm done. I'm not wasting any more of my life on this. I can't change it." Strength and persistence are good things, but this turns them into a liability. And it also causes you to put your life on hold waiting until you can be this perfected vision of what you think you are; I've been fighting that for so long, and I'm not in Corinna's situation. But after a while, I started to realize that I had to stop thinking that once I had fixed all my problems, I could start living. In reality, while we all should seek to improve ourselves, we have to just buckle down and figure out how to accomplish things as the imperfect fkked-up schmucks we actually are rather than waiting until we're perfect before we can live.
I'm revisiting this episode, and just want to express my deep appreciation for Corinna, and yourselves Sasha and Stella. In the heat of the GC/TERF v TRA 'wars' can feel like sinking deeper into a dissolution of society is inevitable, with the chasm only widening of being unable to communicate with each other. Your podcast begins from a place of true compassion and sincere curiosity, which shows. Without people like yourselves and Corinna, I feel like that chasm would only be getting wider, but the three of you (and others) have been able to chart a path in bringing people back together and back to reality.
It really made me sad when she was discussing the magic of holding a baby…they did not show much empathy on that comment. Sometimes I wish the hosts would listen more & talk less.
I jumped over from Spotify to comment: another amazing episode that references one of the most important episodes (109-Rose) that encourages an 'attachment' understanding of accepting futility, grieving and letting go to move forward and grow. I also resonate so much with the simple, clear: "not a subcategory of woman, but a subcategory of man." Like a 3D image, once you see the perspective, it's hard not to keep seeing it. Still a lot of questions to answer, but these conversations help so much. ❤❤❤
I love Corinna so much. One of my go tos when I need to hear a comfortingly sane and sincere human voice. And such a deeply irreverent wit to boot. Thank you for this interview, I'm looking so forward to hearing the three of you together. ❤
I’ve seen Corinna on other podcasts and I always appreciate her frankness and enjoy her sense of humour. It upsets me to think that she will be dismissed as a “terf” or whatever by many when she has such insight and so much to teach. Edit: I noticed there’s a mix of pronouns in the comments so not sure if I’ve used the right ones. I used “she” because Stella did at the beginning.
Corinna Cohn, thank you for sharing your truth. It's very strengthening. Not just 'trans' people struggle with accepting ourselves, and yet, as you say, until and unless you can accept yourself and value inner validation, you will struggle. Bless you with joy and peace.
thank you so much for this interview. it's a nice antidote to the anger that is easy to cultivate on this issue. it was both fascinating and devastating to listen to Corinna on the idea of futility. i hope for nothing but the best for Corinna, he certainly deserves to be happy. if only we could all women to stand up for women and girls (and boys) as much as Corinna does.
The world may not "need" trans people but the world does need all kinds of males and females who show up just as they are in all the glorious diverse ways they already naturally do just as they are.
Corinna is so lucid, it's very inspiring to hear a trans person talking with such humanity and clarity on this issue. I think Sacha's question about Corinna seeing things logically because she is technically minded person does Corinna a disservice. If I was guessing I would say that she has come to her place of realisation because she has skills of deep introspection and a more accute Theory of Mind than average. She has been able to see the bigger picture and where she fits within it, by interrogating whether the things that she feels represent the truth or are a confabulation, conjured up for another, deeper reason. In my experience this skill of being able to interrogate one's own motivations and delusion is rare.
Congratulations on you new book. Loved this episode. Corinna Cohn is a person you can learn a lot from about personal growth in general. Not just in regard to the transtopic. Thank you for staying truthful to your motto and bringing a wide range of perspectives to this topic. And thank you for staying so compassionate about everybody. This crazy discussion (?) urgently needs sane and based voices.
Thank you Corrine. You remind me of Debbie Hatton. Speaking honestly about owning your inner emotions without asking anyone to celebrate you as you are now. Much love to you.
Corinna has great insight into both her own personal situation but also the political picture on this. I'm so glad we have transwomen like her willing to speak out on these matters, she has a fantastic attitude and appears to be at ease with her life, I do so hope that is the case.
I have an August birthday and started kindergarten just after turning 5. Like Corinna I struggled with socialization with kids in the class that were months or a year older. Educational policy in the US creates a cohort effect based on the time of year children are born.
Many, if not most, of the young people who have been set on this path will eventually have to come to the realisation that it is impossible, and they will not have Corinne's intelligence and ego strength. I feel for them.
Virginia Prince, who popularized the term and identity of "transgenderist" and co-founded the organization Tri-Ess, advocated for what Corinna referred to as "partial medicalization." The transgenderist wanted cross-sex hormones, but did not want SRS.
I understood we are already at Cori if we dare to say so. It's just hard to shrink down the widely known brand Corinna Cohn. Love all o you and can't wait for the publication of your conversation with Sam from Scotland!
What a hero! We need more reasonable trans voices like this. You are human. You exist. We don't want to get rid of you. Just... reconnect with reality, plz. kthxbye.
I started really looking into transition in that same time period. My experience isn't the same as theirs. Unfortunately starting in the seventies rather than continuing to recognize distinct categories the gender clinic at Stanford began experimenting with transitioning people who really weren't Transsexual by the Harry Benjamin Standard. That is where the idea of the "Transgender Community" and the "Gender Dysphoria" Diagnosis originates from. It's also where the word Transsexual began morphing into meaning a person that had SRS and rather than remaining a diagnostic term was allowed to become fetishized and as a self-identity by some. Those some became largely the Transgender activist of today. You can really see that in both Jamison Greene and Sandy Stone as they were both patients in the Stanford Clinic and became major Transgender Activist. If you listen to them they say they were never really Transsexual. At Stanford they knew they were transitioning people who weren't Transsexual but fooling the public into believing everyone they transitioned were transsexual. I feel for Corinna because like many that went through the Stanford clinic, they clearly had mental health issues and should have been stopped from Transition. I will provide a link to something I received in the mail in 1993 from the at the time Lesbian and Gay center of New York. Barbara Warren of the then Lesbian and Gay center (There was no such thing as the "LGBTQ" in 1993) of NYC. You will see things only a professional will pick up and notice, In 1993 she was promoting Gender Dysphoria even though at the time neither the DSM or ICD recognized it or used that terminology nor did any psychiatric, psychology or medical association. I found the literature useless and kind of insulting and it is why I held onto it. The order form miffed me as I wasn't into crossdressing or adopting a "trans" of any kind identity. In fact to this day, I don't allow "Trans" terminology to be used on me or associate with any "LGBTQ" organization. The Order form is neat also because it plays a part in my legal arguement that in promoting the word "Transgender" is a sex crime that was committed and is ongoing. That Transgender as a word was only being used by heterosexual male fetishistic transvestites until they joined with Lesbian Feminist. Look for the word "transgender" on the order form. It's only in one place and clearly associated with Fetishistic Transvestism! facebook.com/photo/?fbid=386773198052336&set=a.386772874719035
This was actually a great video, thanks. "My question is: to what extent do I have to participate in your self-image?" -Dave Chappelle This quote was going through my head most of the time watching this. We all do dumb things when we're young. For a trans person to expect society to accept them is impossible. Not everyone is going to be onboard with everything you do, that is an impossible expectation. Loved Corinna talking about pushing the boundary too much before society regresses and takes all the won efforts away from trans people prisons, women shelters, etc. For crying out loud women are being beaten up in prison by a trans person. Women are getting pregnant by a trans person in prison. I absolutely love where a trans cyclists won a women's contest in May '23 and the 2nd and 3rd place didn't even stand with him. Genuinely believe that is what women need to do to take back their sports. I'd love a video of starting of a race where a bunch of women just stand there when the starting chime goes off and the trans person runs ahead alone. Then for the women to start their race 5 mins later.
I watch every Genspect interview and love them - but both hosts need to prepare questions that are not a paragraph in length. Also not to pile two paragraph long questions on top of each other. It helps to write the questions down ahead of time - so they are succinct. It makes it easier for the guests to answer and also for the viewers to follow. In this episode Sasha asked 2 very good, very long questions 1) How do we support people who are going to transition, no matter what, so that they have more realistic expectations. 2) What are the highs and lows of your experience as an activist? I shortened them - and she asked them at the same time.
Depends a lot on the language sphere. Anti-trans ideology is mainly a thing of the Anglosphere and the Hispanosphere is kind of "trailblazer" for liberal trans rights, it began with Argentina and later reached Spain. The others, like France and Germany with their own language spheres, move in their own ways.
@@miriamlana833 Trans ideology comes directly from the Anglosphere. While I've heard ppl make claims about Argentina when I've looked it's more along the lines of inclusive neutral language (e.g. Adding person at the end or using more female forms etc.). Even then it's a bit flawed and not used much by normal ppl. It's like when ppl started saying chalkboard or marker board. It's usually too unwieldy to last and is at best written to virtue signal. There are educational institutions that make a song and dance about it but their websites don't use any of it. It's also very very clear that the influence in Argentina is the English language. A lot of the changes don't make a lot of sense in Spanish unless looking at it from English. All of the trans terminology comes directly from English sometimes without translation (because translating it often renders it meaningless). I live in Spain and while the government does have some changes with no thought to future legal issues that's largely because they're catching up and haven't really paid attention to the arguments. It's also bogged down in individual regions trying to compete with one another. In day to day life trans issues are rarely if ever discussed and when it is only by ppl who are heavily online or influenced by America. The types of youtubers or influences who pepper their speech with poorly pronounced English words who repeat without thought. You don't see ppl claiming sex is not binary etc. There's also heavy recent emphasis on women's rights, protecting women, promoting women's sports which has stronger currents than the anti-women ideology although the safety of women in some prisons seems to have been neglected in the favour of males. There are some rather confused young individuals who put English pronouns in their bio such as "they" that make no sense or rather amusingly used a gendered version of non-binary. These are same ppl who feel confused why no one is interested in them on dating apps made specifically for gay men or lesbians. Essentially Spain will most likely follow Northern Europe in the next five or ten years when the inevitable reality of policies comes to light. The regressive ideas of trans ideology can't possibly last. The tide has already started to turn where it began but in places where ideas usually follow the Anglosphere they haven't seen the fallout yet. Or they look at places like the USA and think ppl are bonkers so don't go jumping feet first into medicalising children in the same way.
What I find interesting from this interview is " presumpltions " and " generalisations "! This idea that transsexuals thinking they have " actually changed sex ". It isn't my experience or research conclusions. As Blanchard says " transition is a palliative process for carefully screened individuals. Those individuals should improve in social functioning. This can be extended to partner choice/attraction. I've interviewed many transsexuals. Non of them thought they had changed sex. Just removed the gender dysphoria. This is off course they all were not under the affirmative model of recent years.
Maybe detransitioners & everyone struggling with gender identity could find AA's Serenity Prayer useful? "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can And the wisdom to know the difference" The psychological journey and enormous whole-life struggles of detransitioning seems to have many parallels with the process of recovering from addiction. Loving this conversation
Problem is ROGD it isn't either form of dysphoria. Feminiism has caused it. We need to go back to proper safekeeping. Some AGPs benefit. Most are just transvestites very sexual.
I also think the comparison between trans-identification and alcoholism/addiction is incredibly apt. Both could be viewed as coping strategies that make people "feel better" about themselves in the short term and help them avoid the actual problems in their lives. Both are self-destructive behaviors and can destroy relationships, work life, and physical health. Alcoholics/trans-identified individuals will vehemently deny they have a problem or that their behaviors have caused destruction in their lives and tend to blame others for their problems instead. A recovering alcoholic I know stated once that getting sober was like coming out of a fog. Recovery is also not a linear path, and is something the individual may struggle with for the rest of their lives. There are so many harmful ways of dealing with the pain and hardships of life. I find it so incredibly sad that people go down these routes, but there is always hope of recovery.
This felt really important and powerful, thank you for bringing it to us. I am always left with two main responses to these revelatory GC educational videos - one is wondering how the "trans allies" I'd love to sent it to would react, who have been arguing that even sex (not just gender) is a spectrum (probably that Corinna was never trans), and the other is how I/we deal with REALITY in cases such as Corinna's, who appears not to be detransitioning, retains a female name, and most people will refer to with female pronouns. I'm torn. There's obviously the risk that this pretence is harmful, to self or wider society, and in principle it abuses the REALISATION that's been so hard won and is so important. There again, having gone through such a traumatic process, it would be unreasonable to expect or demand anyone to face another major change unless they want it, which may well leave them less able to live a comfortable life, or cause further physical problems. I had this reaction to Debbie Hayton, when she was writing repeatedly emphasizing that she's a man, and realised that my intuition - kind of, "Well, detransition then, at least socially; stop cross-dressing and use male signifiers..." - wasn't very well considered. And we're talking about adults. As you discussed here, the horror is that kids are still being taught gender garbage and thinking they can be anything they want to be, by activist organisations with "very deep pockets." But this issue is going to be messy whatever we do. If someone has fully medically transitioned, like Corinna or Debbie, they may find their own best solution to questions like which bathroom to use, but it gets messy if and when laws start drawing lines in the sand. We can't just demand sex-based segregation without taking into account the potential danger to a Corinna or Debbie in the gents toilets, and their likely unremarkable presence in the ladies. A brain teaser for the likes of me, this must be one of the many torments for those on the receiving end of it. The only thing I didn't quite agree with was Corinna's assertion that although there were "enablers around", she made it happen. I wasn't there, but this feels like an abuse, from the pressure to conform in early childhood, all the way up to SRS, and the abused almost always feel responsible when they're not. Actually, none of us are, but that's another story.
This is such an evil tragedy that we stigmatize being gay to the point that young people seek any way out of being this evil thing called gay so in hopes of something non lonely and that won't exclude you from things like traditional marriage and so on you go down this path that destroys your ability to participate in an achievable and erotically embodied relationship that moves into love and intimacy in a satisfying way. So interested in those who have found a way to embrace their new reality after recognizing that there had been better options or that they wheer gay. I am interested because I want to know the best way to support such folk especially in light of being vocal about my concerns and objections to transitioning for young people in particular.
Is it just me or is it almost as if online dating is bleeding into in person interaction? We used to rely on physical appearance and social cues but since a group of people are trying to do away with a naturally presented sense of reality, we're expected to announce our pronouns and sexual attractions when we interact as if we're walking profile avatars. Maybe the online profiles have made many of these people feel as though there's no need for things to be obvious on a surface level.
Yeah I know the typology by heart. Coriine is no Claire White. Instead of pretending to be what one obviously isn't. There should be a greater understanding of AGP as more of a sexuality. To answer your question? There are some who are exclusively androphilic, who still are not homosexual. Blanchard refers to these as psuedo bisexual.
I knew one transsexual in the 80s. After SRS he wanted to be known as a woman not a trans woman. He went through hell. He lost his family and profession. I now consider her a woman. It’s her life and she wishes to live it. For this person it was a very personal choice and they were an adult at the time. She will always regret destroying her marriage and family. There were children. She will never know or watch grow up. They are grown by now, but it’s still sad to think of what was lost.
I have a very real question about something I've noticed in watching interviews of people who have specifically medically transitioned. Is there something in the medical process that affects or diminishes thought process or communicating thought into words? I've noticed many of those who have transitioned speak very slowly or struggle to speak smoothly. Is that because it's hard to put into words this experience? Are they trying to ve ultra careful to not say the wrong thing on this very sensitive issue? Or is there some that interrupted brain function by flooding their brain with opposite sex hormones? Any thoughts??
Because Corinna was probably an early-onset AGP boy instead of a very feminine gay boy. There's a difference between attraction to men (true androphilia) and using men as props to validate the version of yourself as a straight woman you constructed in your head. The latter is called "AGP pseudobisexuality".
I work in mental health and I've noticed, over the years, that healthcare, like everything else, is dominated by trends. When a new trend takes hold, there is an aggressive push from the top to adopt it and NOT question it, even as you go along, until a new trend takes over quite arbitrarily. Now, mind you, most of these trends contain good points, as we do learn more about the Psyche. The problem is that, when they become trends, they tend to get pushed on onto patients (the CBT craze of a few years back, for instance), even though they obviously don't work for everyone. So you're wasting time with the new trend (or medication, that goes even more insidious, as pharma pays you commission to use their product) when it would be more advisable to assess the issue a little longer and use the right solution, even though it may not be the trendiest. Going back to what you said, that Psychologist was probably conforming to the emerging trend. It can be detrimental to your career not to... and in this case, absolutely detrimental for the past 20 years or so.
Love your channel! Why don't you interview Jennifer Bilek so we can do a deep dive on the Billionaires promoting Gender Ideology legislatively and institutionally in the USA. Follow the money this is also about the dark money linked to Big Pharma and bio-medicine.
@@politicaltroll8920 That is a non sequitur, I don’t see how it follows your first comment or my response. What is “how gender is expressed” if not the things I listed?
Corrina looks like she's not even 25 and poor Stella looks like she's way over 50 yet both are still the same age. Males who take estrogen are doing something right medically as the body doesn't age nowhere near as rapidly. I make sure I counter the narrative that gender medicine is harmful with that physical observation as we have far fewer health issues when compared to our natal counterparts.
I think Corinna needs to accept they were one of the forms of AGP. She isn't GNC, cant see her as a GNC child. I think the crush at school is a mis direction. I like Coriina, git hrr head screwed on. Yes shes correct about the transgender history.
Why does Corinna need to accept that he's an Autogynephile? What part of his story makes you think that he is? Nothing he has said today indicates that at all.
Not too many AGPs will undergo orchidectomy / castration, and many don’t medicalise because being on E diminishes libido. Anything that interferes with their ability to get aroused is not something they will pursue, as getting excited is the whole point.
@@L_Martin Thats not quite true. For some it's more like a romantic bond. Those are not the problem. Historically 90% of AGP had surgery.never used it. Then more now young pseudo bisexual. Who go with men for affirmation. They aren't actually attracted to men and men's bodies. Hsts are they dysphoria from earliest memories. Small and look like women.
Yeah it’s almost like taking exogenous oestrogen from the age of 19 impacts a male body 🤔 Castrati were similar. But yeah insulting women for their appearance really doesn’t make you seem like a misogynist. No, not at all…
When you can't debate real issues with a brilliant woman so you comment negatively on her age instead lol I love Stella. I love women who survive and grow past their patriarchal expiration date, who keep living and speaking and writing on big ideas. I love disobedient women. I love courageous women. I love intellectual women.
Interesting to listen to. Disappointed you called him "she". You all know he isn't and so does he. You're doing a disservice to everyone in that respect
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I think Corinna asked one of the most profound questions I’ve heard regarding this discussion & her transition mtf: “why should I consider myself a subcategory of women instead of a subcategory of men?”
Yes, I thought that was brilliant
Exactly....catagory of male....so please blokes, keep them in your spaces etc. Why do we women always have to bend and accommodate male behaviour.
Always a great listen from you both and your fabulous guests. ❤
@@Ciara-ASMR It was a statement of the obvious, but I suppose there is an element of brilliance in recognising the obvious when the main aim of the gender cult is to obscure it. I did wonder why Stella and Sacha refer to Corinna as 'she' even though Corinna has acknowledged being male.
@@pollyparrot9447because they aren't dicks.
@@jenniferplatts174So Jen where do Trans Men go? Is it ok for a F2M to be in your space?
I agree with Sasha about the need to clarify what is actually going in in regards to these procedures. We keep hearing the term "transition" "fully transitioned" "transitioning" "sex reassignment surgery." We need to think about what this actually means. What are these people transitioning to and from?
We need to stop using the term "transition" and "sex reassignment" to refer to these procedures. It is impossible to change sex, so there _is no transition._ What is actually happening is a person is flooding their body with exogenous hormones, cross-dressing, and/or having their genitals cosmetically altered. The only changes that are taking place are superficial and cosmetic.
I think this is very dangerous for vulnerable youth who hear these terms and think that some kind of magical transformation is occurring and they are changing into something else rather than just sterilizing themselves and having cosmetic procedures done. They are being sold a lie that is harmful for their bodies and expectations.
There is power in language. I'm not sure how we can fully shift away from using these sorts of terms, but I think it needs to happen in order for us to move forward in better treating this population.
That's food for thought! Will think on this
So why are you trying to stop people from being trans when you think killing unborn babies is fine? Are you this insistent on pushing women to admit they paid to have their fetus killed as you are in wanting to push trans people into uncomfortable social situations just for your own pettiness?
Exactly!! There is no transition, there are only cosmetic adjustments happening. It's really tragic that nobody knows exactly how well they will pass before starting the cross sex hormones 😢
Thanks all, and particularly to Corinna for being so honest and open as usual. I’ve been listening to you all separately for several years and am so very grateful to you for all your contributions in this sphere. I have heard so many distressing life stories relating to the impact of gender ideology I didn’t expect to feel so moved by this conversation, but I found it heartbreaking listening again to Corinna relate certain aspects of her life experience. You’re an incredible person Corinna, I can’t imagine the emotional toll it takes to keep talking publicly about your experiences and opinions, but your voice is incredibly impactful and necessary. I’m so pleased you have found self-acceptance and a purposeful, positive way forward in life. Thank you and every good wish for the future
Thank you so much for having Corinna Cohn on your show.
Corinna's calm and measured approach is what we need in these times.
As a woman training to become a child and adolescent therapist, you give me hope, Sasha and Stella. I want to do right by ALL my patients. I want to support them to be their best selves and transform their lives by reclaiming their power and healing their wounds. I do NOT want to be prohibited by government, on pain of losing my license, from doing real therapy with young people and showing them TRUE compassion.
Corrina comes off as a very profound person; you rarely hear someone engage so honestly and thoughtfully.
Hurrah! Another episode of the best gender-bending and questioning podcast out there! Excellent guest, I always enjoy hearing from Corinna.
A fabulous episode. Corinne was wonderful - a thoughtful person who clearly wasn’t afraid to dig deep and share. And you two fabulous interviewers … I’ve listened to and watched you so much now you’re starting to feel like family.
Kindest thoughts to you all from a 76yo Aussie ‘sheila’ who’s learning so much about these issues from you.
I wish in Germany we had more of these important chanals and books about gender. I try to speak to friends about the issue, but here's still a lot to do. If Self-ID passes in Germany it will also take some time and energy to undo it. Thank you to all of you for your commitment!
You'e so right. This ideology is being pushed everywhere, Kuturzeit is a huge propagator of wokeism.
Self ID passed recently, didn't it?
@@AF-gd7fh Yes, it did. Without any real discussion or media attention.
Corinna is one of my favourite voices on this topic. From a fellow adult human weirdo - great episode.
How can one person be so brilliant, insightful and mature? Thank you for this wonderful interview!
I'm Corinna's biggest groupie. He & Nina Payle are just brilliant. Thank you ❤
I adore the Heterodorx.
Don’t simp for men.
I have always loved to hear from Corinna. And his good in this space is huge.
36:05 This is such an important point. I recall in undergrad social psychology we studied intergroup relations and there were 3 minority orientations: one is social activism, another is self-hatred, and a third is acceptance of minority roles in society (tempered by self-validation, rather than forcing societal acceptance).
I think it’s a useful frame for understanding trans activism, where we currently see attempts to force societal validation. We also see a few (highly visible) trans people who are (unironically) critical in a very negative and insensitive manner. Corinne seems to be modeling the third approach, which is reflexive and prioritizes self-acceptance.
Trying to force the world to accept your self-image, and hinging your whole sense of self on that, seems like a recipe for disaster.
@@L_Martin it really is. Like painting themselves into a corner. Several trans identifying people have talked about experiencing severe body dysmorphia after going thru medical transition procedures and feeling more trapped now than they did prior.
When we truly accept ourselves as we are, there is no need for any external validation based on our outside appearance because our identity is rooted in something deeper.
Corinna is a great speaker on these issues, and very hard to dismiss as just another 'terf'. The humour is also very engaging.
Yeah he does get paid more attention to because he’s a man
Thank you all for such an intelligent and enlightening conversation. Corinna's honesty about her experiences, and wisdom gained from looking deeply and critically at her place in the world as a transsexual, is refreshing. So too are Sasha and Stella's kind and gentle approach to this discussion. Thank you all for the important work you are doing.
Quite blown away by this video. Perhaps the best I've listened to on this issue. Harrowing and heartening at the same time. Thanks so much to Corina and both of you.
The futility thing was really insightful -- there are things you're bigger than, and there are things that are bigger than you. Realizing what's bigger than you is so important, because we can waste so much time struggling against it. And the worst part about that is that it turns your own strength against you -- the stronger and more persistent you are, the longer it will take for you to reach the level of exhaustion and futility you need to reach to just drop the baggage and go, "Okay, I'm done. I'm not wasting any more of my life on this. I can't change it." Strength and persistence are good things, but this turns them into a liability.
And it also causes you to put your life on hold waiting until you can be this perfected vision of what you think you are; I've been fighting that for so long, and I'm not in Corinna's situation. But after a while, I started to realize that I had to stop thinking that once I had fixed all my problems, I could start living. In reality, while we all should seek to improve ourselves, we have to just buckle down and figure out how to accomplish things as the imperfect fkked-up schmucks we actually are rather than waiting until we're perfect before we can live.
I'm revisiting this episode, and just want to express my deep appreciation for Corinna, and yourselves Sasha and Stella. In the heat of the GC/TERF v TRA 'wars' can feel like sinking deeper into a dissolution of society is inevitable, with the chasm only widening of being unable to communicate with each other. Your podcast begins from a place of true compassion and sincere curiosity, which shows. Without people like yourselves and Corinna, I feel like that chasm would only be getting wider, but the three of you (and others) have been able to chart a path in bringing people back together and back to reality.
Love Corinna. Always genuine and insightful. This was an amazing interview filled with kindness and warmth, but also honesty.
It really made me sad when she was discussing the magic of holding a baby…they did not show much empathy on that comment. Sometimes I wish the hosts would listen more & talk less.
I jumped over from Spotify to comment: another amazing episode that references one of the most important episodes (109-Rose) that encourages an 'attachment' understanding of accepting futility, grieving and letting go to move forward and grow. I also resonate so much with the simple, clear: "not a subcategory of woman, but a subcategory of man." Like a 3D image, once you see the perspective, it's hard not to keep seeing it. Still a lot of questions to answer, but these conversations help so much. ❤❤❤
This was an amazing interview. Corinna was so honest and explained so much, giving a lot of insight.
Bravo! Brilliant interview. It started somewhat somber but ended on a very positive and inspiring note. Thanks all three of you. ❤
I love Corinna so much. One of my go tos when I need to hear a comfortingly sane and sincere human voice. And such a deeply irreverent wit to boot. Thank you for this interview, I'm looking so forward to hearing the three of you together. ❤
I’ve seen Corinna on other podcasts and I always appreciate her frankness and enjoy her sense of humour.
It upsets me to think that she will be dismissed as a “terf” or whatever by many when she has such insight and so much to teach.
Edit: I noticed there’s a mix of pronouns in the comments so not sure if I’ve used the right ones. I used “she” because Stella did at the beginning.
I love this guest. So smart…just a lovely person
Corinna Cohn, thank you for sharing your truth. It's very strengthening. Not just 'trans' people struggle with accepting ourselves, and yet, as you say, until and unless you can accept yourself and value inner validation, you will struggle. Bless you with joy and peace.
thank you so much for this interview. it's a nice antidote to the anger that is easy to cultivate on this issue. it was both fascinating and devastating to listen to Corinna on the idea of futility. i hope for nothing but the best for Corinna, he certainly deserves to be happy. if only we could all women to stand up for women and girls (and boys) as much as Corinna does.
Always appreciate Corinna's perspective. Pretty grounded. 🐿
The world may not "need" trans people but the world does need all kinds of males and females who show up just as they are in all the glorious diverse ways they already naturally do just as they are.
The work doesn't need abortion either.
@morganm4768 your mom needed one if you think this is the time or place to try and being abortion into gender issues...
another brilliant episode, thank you so very much Sasha and Stella, and I am absolute in awe of Corinna.
I really appreciate Corinna being so open and candid. I am looking forward to seeing Corinna speak in person at the conference in Denver.
Corinna is so lucid, it's very inspiring to hear a trans person talking with such humanity and clarity on this issue. I think Sacha's question about Corinna seeing things logically because she is technically minded person does Corinna a disservice. If I was guessing I would say that she has come to her place of realisation because she has skills of deep introspection and a more accute Theory of Mind than average.
She has been able to see the bigger picture and where she fits within it, by interrogating whether the things that she feels represent the truth or are a confabulation, conjured up for another, deeper reason. In my experience this skill of being able to interrogate one's own motivations and delusion is rare.
Congratulations on you new book. Loved this episode. Corinna Cohn is a person you can learn a lot from about personal growth in general. Not just in regard to the transtopic. Thank you for staying truthful to your motto and bringing a wide range of perspectives to this topic. And thank you for staying so compassionate about everybody. This crazy discussion (?) urgently needs sane and based voices.
Great conversation! One of the best interviews out there.
I deeply admire and respect Corrine’s honesty and integrity.
Thank you Corrine. You remind me of Debbie Hatton. Speaking honestly about owning your inner emotions without asking anyone to celebrate you as you are now. Much love to you.
Probably the most amazing discussion on the subject of trans-identification I've ever heard. Thank you all!!
42:03 This is a very mature insight, hard-won from everyone who's been telling you otherwise. Bravo.
Corinna has great insight into both her own personal situation but also the political picture on this. I'm so glad we have transwomen like her willing to speak out on these matters, she has a fantastic attitude and appears to be at ease with her life, I do so hope that is the case.
I appreciate Corina Cohn, being so measured, thoughtful, and wise
Excellent conversation and very impressed of the self awareness, clarity and beauty of Corinna ! ❤
Corinna is so smart. This was an amazing episode
Such a great insite! Thank you!
I have an August birthday and started kindergarten just after turning 5. Like Corinna I struggled with socialization with kids in the class that were months or a year older. Educational policy in the US creates a cohort effect based on the time of year children are born.
Many, if not most, of the young people who have been set on this path will eventually have to come to the realisation that it is impossible, and they will not have Corinne's intelligence and ego strength. I feel for them.
Brilliant, thank you
Great conversation
Great convo! ❤
Thank you for sharing Corrina ❤
I so, so appreciate this interview. Half way done, got to take a break for yoga. ;) 💜
Corinna you are so inspiring!!!
mow this is the best episode so far
Virginia Prince, who popularized the term and identity of "transgenderist" and co-founded the organization Tri-Ess, advocated for what Corinna referred to as "partial medicalization." The transgenderist wanted cross-sex hormones, but did not want SRS.
Thank you, Corinna.
I understood we are already at Cori if we dare to say so. It's just hard to shrink down the widely known brand Corinna Cohn. Love all o you and can't wait for the publication of your conversation with Sam from Scotland!
As the conversations between Cori and Sam on the CallMeSam channel are very dear to my heart.
What a hero! We need more reasonable trans voices like this. You are human. You exist. We don't want to get rid of you. Just... reconnect with reality, plz. kthxbye.
How many trans people have you talked to?
@@anaiaheleanor In general? In person? Online?
I started really looking into transition in that same time period. My experience isn't the same as theirs. Unfortunately starting in the seventies rather than continuing to recognize distinct categories the gender clinic at Stanford began experimenting with transitioning people who really weren't Transsexual by the Harry Benjamin Standard. That is where the idea of the "Transgender Community" and the "Gender Dysphoria" Diagnosis originates from. It's also where the word Transsexual began morphing into meaning a person that had SRS and rather than remaining a diagnostic term was allowed to become fetishized and as a self-identity by some. Those some became largely the Transgender activist of today. You can really see that in both Jamison Greene and Sandy Stone as they were both patients in the Stanford Clinic and became major Transgender Activist. If you listen to them they say they were never really Transsexual. At Stanford they knew they were transitioning people who weren't Transsexual but fooling the public into believing everyone they transitioned were transsexual.
I feel for Corinna because like many that went through the Stanford clinic, they clearly had mental health issues and should have been stopped from Transition.
I will provide a link to something I received in the mail in 1993 from the at the time Lesbian and Gay center of New York. Barbara Warren of the then Lesbian and Gay center (There was no such thing as the "LGBTQ" in 1993) of NYC.
You will see things only a professional will pick up and notice, In 1993 she was promoting Gender Dysphoria even though at the time neither the DSM or ICD recognized it or used that terminology nor did any psychiatric, psychology or medical association.
I found the literature useless and kind of insulting and it is why I held onto it. The order form miffed me as I wasn't into crossdressing or adopting a "trans" of any kind identity. In fact to this day, I don't allow "Trans" terminology to be used on me or associate with any "LGBTQ" organization.
The Order form is neat also because it plays a part in my legal arguement that in promoting the word "Transgender" is a sex crime that was committed and is ongoing. That Transgender as a word was only being used by heterosexual male fetishistic transvestites until they joined with Lesbian Feminist. Look for the word "transgender" on the order form. It's only in one place and clearly associated with Fetishistic Transvestism!
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What was the book Sasha said she was reading? By Phil ???
This was actually a great video, thanks. "My question is: to what extent do I have to participate in your self-image?" -Dave Chappelle This quote was going through my head most of the time watching this.
We all do dumb things when we're young. For a trans person to expect society to accept them is impossible. Not everyone is going to be onboard with everything you do, that is an impossible expectation.
Loved Corinna talking about pushing the boundary too much before society regresses and takes all the won efforts away from trans people prisons, women shelters, etc. For crying out loud women are being beaten up in prison by a trans person. Women are getting pregnant by a trans person in prison. I absolutely love where a trans cyclists won a women's contest in May '23 and the 2nd and 3rd place didn't even stand with him. Genuinely believe that is what women need to do to take back their sports. I'd love a video of starting of a race where a bunch of women just stand there when the starting chime goes off and the trans person runs ahead alone. Then for the women to start their race 5 mins later.
Don't overthink it. Just be kind. It's really not so hard.
@@anaiaheleanor Don't overthink what? You thought I was not being kind?
So impressed with Corinna!
Fantastic content!
I watch every Genspect interview and love them - but both hosts need to prepare questions that are not a paragraph in length. Also not to pile two paragraph long questions on top of each other. It helps to write the questions down ahead of time - so they are succinct. It makes it easier for the guests to answer and also for the viewers to follow.
In this episode Sasha asked 2 very good, very long questions 1) How do we support people who are going to transition, no matter what, so that they have more realistic expectations. 2) What are the highs and lows of your experience as an activist? I shortened them - and she asked them at the same time.
What is mechanism of dealing with that issue if you are about to start medical transition?? Please help. I don't see the way.
Hello, coming fro France, i wonder why things will not move like in other countries. Could you explain ? Thx
I'd also like to know what that was a reference to
Depends a lot on the language sphere. Anti-trans ideology is mainly a thing of the Anglosphere and the Hispanosphere is kind of "trailblazer" for liberal trans rights, it began with Argentina and later reached Spain. The others, like France and Germany with their own language spheres, move in their own ways.
@@miriamlana833 Trans ideology comes directly from the Anglosphere.
While I've heard ppl make claims about Argentina when I've looked it's more along the lines of inclusive neutral language (e.g. Adding person at the end or using more female forms etc.). Even then it's a bit flawed and not used much by normal ppl. It's like when ppl started saying chalkboard or marker board. It's usually too unwieldy to last and is at best written to virtue signal. There are educational institutions that make a song and dance about it but their websites don't use any of it. It's also very very clear that the influence in Argentina is the English language. A lot of the changes don't make a lot of sense in Spanish unless looking at it from English. All of the trans terminology comes directly from English sometimes without translation (because translating it often renders it meaningless).
I live in Spain and while the government does have some changes with no thought to future legal issues that's largely because they're catching up and haven't really paid attention to the arguments. It's also bogged down in individual regions trying to compete with one another. In day to day life trans issues are rarely if ever discussed and when it is only by ppl who are heavily online or influenced by America. The types of youtubers or influences who pepper their speech with poorly pronounced English words who repeat without thought. You don't see ppl claiming sex is not binary etc. There's also heavy recent emphasis on women's rights, protecting women, promoting women's sports which has stronger currents than the anti-women ideology although the safety of women in some prisons seems to have been neglected in the favour of males. There are some rather confused young individuals who put English pronouns in their bio such as "they" that make no sense or rather amusingly used a gendered version of non-binary. These are same ppl who feel confused why no one is interested in them on dating apps made specifically for gay men or lesbians.
Essentially Spain will most likely follow Northern Europe in the next five or ten years when the inevitable reality of policies comes to light. The regressive ideas of trans ideology can't possibly last. The tide has already started to turn where it began but in places where ideas usually follow the Anglosphere they haven't seen the fallout yet. Or they look at places like the USA and think ppl are bonkers so don't go jumping feet first into medicalising children in the same way.
What I find interesting from this interview is " presumpltions " and " generalisations "! This idea that transsexuals thinking they have " actually changed sex ". It isn't my experience or research conclusions. As Blanchard says " transition is a palliative process for carefully screened individuals. Those individuals should improve in social functioning. This can be extended to partner choice/attraction. I've interviewed many transsexuals. Non of them thought they had changed sex. Just removed the gender dysphoria. This is off course they all were not under the affirmative model of recent years.
Maybe detransitioners & everyone struggling with gender identity could find AA's Serenity Prayer useful?
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
The courage to change the things I can
And the wisdom to know the difference"
The psychological journey and enormous whole-life struggles of detransitioning seems to have many parallels with the process of recovering from addiction.
Loving this conversation
43:45 forgot to add the timestamp. This is where Corinna is discussing the impact of understanding futility and radical acceptance
Problem is ROGD it isn't either form of dysphoria. Feminiism has caused it. We need to go back to proper safekeeping. Some AGPs benefit. Most are just transvestites very sexual.
I also think the comparison between trans-identification and alcoholism/addiction is incredibly apt.
Both could be viewed as coping strategies that make people "feel better" about themselves in the short term and help them avoid the actual problems in their lives. Both are self-destructive behaviors and can destroy relationships, work life, and physical health. Alcoholics/trans-identified individuals will vehemently deny they have a problem or that their behaviors have caused destruction in their lives and tend to blame others for their problems instead. A recovering alcoholic I know stated once that getting sober was like coming out of a fog. Recovery is also not a linear path, and is something the individual may struggle with for the rest of their lives.
There are so many harmful ways of dealing with the pain and hardships of life. I find it so incredibly sad that people go down these routes, but there is always hope of recovery.
@@Joy-kc5xz Joy are you homophobic. Homogenisng the whole subject is why we're in this mess.
When I watch these videos I keep thinking of the saying, the grass is greener on the other side.
1:08:24 LOVE the following adress to AGP fellows in sports..!
I always thought Corinna was AGP. He differs enormously from the textbook HSTS type.
Either way he’s a man in a costume and it’s gross
This felt really important and powerful, thank you for bringing it to us. I am always left with two main responses to these revelatory GC educational videos - one is wondering how the "trans allies" I'd love to sent it to would react, who have been arguing that even sex (not just gender) is a spectrum (probably that Corinna was never trans), and the other is how I/we deal with REALITY in cases such as Corinna's, who appears not to be detransitioning, retains a female name, and most people will refer to with female pronouns. I'm torn. There's obviously the risk that this pretence is harmful, to self or wider society, and in principle it abuses the REALISATION that's been so hard won and is so important. There again, having gone through such a traumatic process, it would be unreasonable to expect or demand anyone to face another major change unless they want it, which may well leave them less able to live a comfortable life, or cause further physical problems. I had this reaction to Debbie Hayton, when she was writing repeatedly emphasizing that she's a man, and realised that my intuition - kind of, "Well, detransition then, at least socially; stop cross-dressing and use male signifiers..." - wasn't very well considered. And we're talking about adults. As you discussed here, the horror is that kids are still being taught gender garbage and thinking they can be anything they want to be, by activist organisations with "very deep pockets." But this issue is going to be messy whatever we do. If someone has fully medically transitioned, like Corinna or Debbie, they may find their own best solution to questions like which bathroom to use, but it gets messy if and when laws start drawing lines in the sand. We can't just demand sex-based segregation without taking into account the potential danger to a Corinna or Debbie in the gents toilets, and their likely unremarkable presence in the ladies. A brain teaser for the likes of me, this must be one of the many torments for those on the receiving end of it.
The only thing I didn't quite agree with was Corinna's assertion that although there were "enablers around", she made it happen. I wasn't there, but this feels like an abuse, from the pressure to conform in early childhood, all the way up to SRS, and the abused almost always feel responsible when they're not. Actually, none of us are, but that's another story.
This is such an evil tragedy that we stigmatize being gay to the point that young people seek any way out of being this evil thing called gay so in hopes of something non lonely and that won't exclude you from things like traditional marriage and so on you go down this path that destroys your ability to participate in an achievable and erotically embodied relationship that moves into love and intimacy in a satisfying way. So interested in those who have found a way to embrace their new reality after recognizing that there had been better options or that they wheer gay. I am interested because I want to know the best way to support such folk especially in light of being vocal about my concerns and objections to transitioning for young people in particular.
What a brave person. Old school gen x.
Is it just me or is it almost as if online dating is bleeding into in person interaction?
We used to rely on physical appearance and social cues but since a group of people are trying to do away with a naturally presented sense of reality, we're expected to announce our pronouns and sexual attractions when we interact as if we're walking profile avatars.
Maybe the online profiles have made many of these people feel as though there's no need for things to be obvious on a surface level.
Yeah I know the typology by heart. Coriine is no Claire White. Instead of pretending to be what one obviously isn't. There should be a greater understanding of AGP as more of a sexuality. To answer your question? There are some who are exclusively androphilic, who still are not homosexual. Blanchard refers to these as psuedo bisexual.
I knew one transsexual in the 80s. After SRS he wanted to be known as a woman not a trans woman. He went through hell. He lost his family and profession. I now consider her a woman. It’s her life and she wishes to live it.
For this person it was a very personal choice and they were an adult at the time. She will always regret destroying her marriage and family. There were children. She will never know or watch grow up.
They are grown by now, but it’s still sad to think of what was lost.
Post op since1985 and now you tell me.
Sounds very typical for children who will become gay including myself!
It was very unprofessional from his first psychologist to diagnose him with gender identity disorder when he was actually just a femme gay boy.
I ❤️CORRINA!!!!!
I have a very real question about something I've noticed in watching interviews of people who have specifically medically transitioned. Is there something in the medical process that affects or diminishes thought process or communicating thought into words? I've noticed many of those who have transitioned speak very slowly or struggle to speak smoothly. Is that because it's hard to put into words this experience? Are they trying to ve ultra careful to not say the wrong thing on this very sensitive issue? Or is there some that interrupted brain function by flooding their brain with opposite sex hormones? Any thoughts??
No…Corrina has the gift of thinking before she speaks… which is rare these days.
Why are you obsessed with what other people do with their bodies?
For crying out loud, why did the first pyschologist not tell him what was really going on with him, namely that he was simply a femme gay boy?
Because Corinna was probably an early-onset AGP boy instead of a very feminine gay boy. There's a difference between attraction to men (true androphilia) and using men as props to validate the version of yourself as a straight woman you constructed in your head. The latter is called "AGP pseudobisexuality".
I work in mental health and I've noticed, over the years, that healthcare, like everything else, is dominated by trends. When a new trend takes hold, there is an aggressive push from the top to adopt it and NOT question it, even as you go along, until a new trend takes over quite arbitrarily. Now, mind you, most of these trends contain good points, as we do learn more about the Psyche. The problem is that, when they become trends, they tend to get pushed on onto patients (the CBT craze of a few years back, for instance), even though they obviously don't work for everyone. So you're wasting time with the new trend (or medication, that goes even more insidious, as pharma pays you commission to use their product) when it would be more advisable to assess the issue a little longer and use the right solution, even though it may not be the trendiest. Going back to what you said, that Psychologist was probably conforming to the emerging trend. It can be detrimental to your career not to... and in this case, absolutely detrimental for the past 20 years or so.
Love your channel! Why don't you interview Jennifer Bilek so we can do a deep dive on the Billionaires promoting Gender Ideology legislatively and institutionally in the USA. Follow the money this is also about the dark money linked to Big Pharma and bio-medicine.
1:05:50 In summary... 🐿
You can change your gender and how the gender is expressed in society
…so, your clothes, hair and if you wear makeup
@@L_Martin I don’t DNA test people I meet in every day life. Do you?
@@politicaltroll8920 That is a non sequitur, I don’t see how it follows your first comment or my response.
What is “how gender is expressed” if not the things I listed?
@@politicaltroll8920 how is "gender" expressed?
“Her” “she” 🙄😑
How dare they have courtesy. Moron.
Don't let it ruin your day now...
@@anaiaheleanor Sir, I would roll my eyes at someone calling Al Jolson black. Don’t let reality ruin _your_ day, _bro._
Corrina looks like she's not even 25 and poor Stella looks like she's way over 50 yet both are still the same age. Males who take estrogen are doing something right medically as the body doesn't age nowhere near as rapidly. I make sure I counter the narrative that gender medicine is harmful with that physical observation as we have far fewer health issues when compared to our natal counterparts.
He doesn't look that young. He looks around 40
@@catferatu9736 Maybe a "celebrity 40" but I bet the average 40 year old doesn't look that good.
It's called make up. One of them is playing the role of a woman. the other is a woman.
I think Corinna needs to accept they were one of the forms of AGP. She isn't GNC, cant see her as a GNC child. I think the crush at school is a mis direction. I like Coriina, git hrr head screwed on. Yes shes correct about the transgender history.
Transsexuals who are exclusively attracted to men are not autogynephilic.
Why does Corinna need to accept that he's an Autogynephile? What part of his story makes you think that he is? Nothing he has said today indicates that at all.
@@khanhminhnguyen7274 I think Corinna is pseudo bi AGP. He's still a great and courageous human being, though, don't get me wrong
Not too many AGPs will undergo orchidectomy / castration, and many don’t medicalise because being on E diminishes libido. Anything that interferes with their ability to get aroused is not something they will pursue, as getting excited is the whole point.
@@L_Martin Thats not quite true. For some it's more like a romantic bond. Those are not the problem. Historically 90% of AGP had surgery.never used it. Then more now young pseudo bisexual. Who go with men for affirmation. They aren't actually attracted to men and men's bodies. Hsts are they dysphoria from earliest memories. Small and look like women.
When cis explain who and what is trans.
Corinna and Stella are the same age? Bigotry really ages you 😮
as per usual, opposing TRA viewpoints are framed as personal attacks instead of constructive debate.
Yeah it’s almost like taking exogenous oestrogen from the age of 19 impacts a male body 🤔 Castrati were similar. But yeah insulting women for their appearance really doesn’t make you seem like a misogynist. No, not at all…
Are you trying to say that one one of them is bigoted but the other isn't?
When you can't debate real issues with a brilliant woman so you comment negatively on her age instead lol
I love Stella. I love women who survive and grow past their patriarchal expiration date, who keep living and speaking and writing on big ideas. I love disobedient women. I love courageous women. I love intellectual women.
Stella also has children. That adds years overnight! Your comment is misogynistic.
Interesting to listen to. Disappointed you called him "she". You all know he isn't and so does he. You're doing a disservice to everyone in that respect
The partners were filling their own selfish fetish needs. The relationships were not about a true connection and relationship. "Toxic"
Nailed it❤