WHAT VANES ARE THE QUIETEST?
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How hard would it be to try it with a bare shaft for the control?
I was thinking the same 🐝 should try bare shaft episode 2
I was thinking the same
Should not be much of a problem indoors and a well tuned bow.
I bare shaft tune to 30 yards and they fly totally straight then and I doubt they would change enough course to not hit the backstop at 60 yards.
I have never tested my bare shafts out to 60-70 yards or longer as I only shoot outdoors and when my bare shafts fly very well out to 30 yards, that is plenty enough for me to hunt with when I have vanes on.
Did all the arrows weigh the same!?
If not then the speed difference will affect both volume and sound quality.
Maybe, or it won’t be noticeable.. lol that’s what’s to love
It’s crazy how well you can hear that indoors compared to outdoor, it would be interesting to do with the mic at the target so from like a deer’s perspective
yo chris r u coming out to big sky this year for tac?
Can you make the sound waves available?
I want to measure the total energy instead of the instantaneous energy.
I bet at least one subscriber is a sound engineer.
Thanks for the content!
Would have loved to see the heat vane included in this test.
Would love to see y'all do this with different broad heads. Some two, there, four blades in solid and vented
Also theory on the diameter bit. I'd assume the thinner arrows weigh less, thus are going faster, thus more spin and displaced air making it louder
Heavy arrows are always quieter. Just based on speed. Air speed is a huge factor. Think about it, if you whistle the faster you push air through the louder it gets.
“I couldn’t hear a VISIBLE difference”…. Hahahaha sorry, just had too….. good test, now do one on clocking.., see how much (if any) the direction you fletch increases/decreases accuracy… then max helical/ offset accuracy comparison at Longer distances vs shorter distance and compare that to straight fletch accuracy
You should have opened the files in Adobe Audition. There you get way better graphics to compare with.
So they’re not called max stealth for nothing. I run max stealth’s in a 4 fletch. Wonder if a 4 fletch is louder? 🤔
That’s the real question. On a 5mm arrow if the aae pro max in 4 fletch is the quietest - also what speed is the sweet spot for vane noise?
4 fletch is louder. I run max stealth on a three fletch. 4 fletch is pretty much 1/4 louder
In a TAC vane a four fletch is quieter.
Giant feather fletching = Ozark 4.5" Target Maxx, not really that giant of a feather in the trad world.
Looks like he picked up the 2023 bow
Arguably my favorite video that you've posted (and there have been a lot of good videos). You had a good controlled environment, a high-end microphone, some really good test cases--this was done well.
Why are 2 inch plastic vanes always compared to 4 or 5 inch high profile feathers? Why is there never a fair comparison of vanes and feathers of the same size and shape?
Would love to hear a DCA Super Sabre vain against those as well.
Absolutely! @chris_Bee Ryals has a few of them there you can try out.
Thanks for the information. Are you going to do the same thing with broadheads?
My go to veins are bohning heat veins
An animals hearing is insane, everything you shoot sounds like a freight train to an animal. To believe any of it makes any real difference is only relevant to a humans ear i would say. I can see its interesting as a test but it means nothing in a hunting situation.
My thinking is get as close as you can and make the best shot you can. Like Chris does, practice is the only way to improve success..
Stand near a target and listen to arrows come your way…..you’ll likely change your tune quickly as to whether it matters or not.
@@michaelcolthart4006 makes no difference if im an animal with hearing 20x better than a human. They hear everything regardless how loud your arrow is. It makes no difference using different vane or shaft. Your flight may be changed slightly but thats it.
Do the same test with broadheads, solid blades vs vented vs mechanical
What about trying one of those range finding Garmin bow sights?
Those things are dope but like 1 grand
Great video Chris! I think way too many people go down various rabbit holes. I think you hit the nail on the head, shooting your bow well is more worth worrying about!
You have run heat vanes, curious as to why you didn't include them in the test? I have found them to be quieter because, I believe, them being a little stiffer as well as shorter in height than the blazers
Max stealth is also nice to look at,used them for the last 5 years
“I cannot hear a visible difference”… 🤣🤣🤣.
I just uploaded a video and have the thumb nail with 3 arrows draw back at one time an hour ago lol
Set the mic at the target distance, let's review what a deer could hear before impact
Chris bee at the Mathews facility right before hunting season hmm what could he possibly be doing there 🤔😉
So here is my conclusion. Hunting white tail, go with the vane and configuration that will stabilize your arrow the fastest. With shots mostly 30 yards and in, the deer isn’t going to notice a few decibels difference and will likely jump at the sound of any of those arrows flying at them the same. Out west on longer shots, past 40 yards or more, it might be worth trying to go with a quieter vane as the animal will likely sit there a fraction of a second longer after it hears the bow go off trying to decipher what is going on. The louder the vane, the sooner it will realIze the arrow is coming at them and will start to try and dodge it a fraction of a second sooner.
Nice video
Do you think that a fixed broadhead will add more noise? For example 2-Blade vs 3-Blade vs 4-Blade. Also single bevel vs double bevel?
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Think you should give a better feather comparison. You shot the old school 4"+ parabolic that looks like you chewed on it, and the one looking like a. Uncut/unshaped full feather you would build a flu flu with.
Try comparing similar size/shape feather like the 2" gateway rayzr. I've been shooting them and love em. Similar size and steerage to blazer, but much lighter, so helps the FOC game.
Just think apples to apples comparison in regards to size and shape may give feathers a little better look than what big ol chunkys did
I agree I shoot Rayzr feathers and have for years. Rayzr feathers are 5 grains each while Blazers are 15 each so 15 grains for three Rayzrs or 45 grains for three blazers, that’s a big difference for FOC!
DCA custom have the Super Sabre vanes and they are super quiet.
In the diameter test gotta think about what diameter was it tuned at. If it was tuned with 5mm the 6 and 4 will leave off bow different possibly causing vanes to do more work making more noise
Cool project we did similar experiment testing drag with straight over 6 degree helical an over 60yds the helical lost 2fps compared to straight so again not enough variance to even notice
So what’s the new bow looking like lmao 😂
I run AAE max stealth
3° Left helical
283fps
3 Fletch. Super quiet
Figure you will be doing more testing on this down the road. Also wonder if heavy arrow vs light arrow would have any affect as a heavier may dampen the sound more like the larger diameter may also be doing. I also agree with others too, in that a bare shaft may be a better baseline. I know a 2 or 3 decibel difference may not seem like a lot to us but in the deer woods but it could be difference between a ducked shot . Also wonder if you could get with an audio studio that has more sound proofing in studio. Could even break down the whole shot and look at releases, stabilizer effects, etc. for future videos.
Arrow weight will absolutely make a difference on bow noise. Not sure it would be detectable in regard to vane noise other than a speed difference.
Try a regular feather instead of that big feather
I think one thing you guys are missing is tone. A fletching can be "quiet" but the tone of that shaft flying through the air makes a big difference.
I wonder how much of the noise that mic is catching is the echo of the bow in that big empty room
Thanks for doing the test with a quality mic. Some of the others I’ve seen basically put there phone half way to a target. Your equipment gave better results. Have you thought about repeating the test with identical fletching and different broadheads?
This and trying to make the quietest broadhead+fletch combo that'll still hit a bullseye at 40 or whatever range
Great job man I'm back and forth between the 3" X vane and the max stealth vane both with max helical going to run both and go from there. Keep up the great work man.
Max stealth all day, I just wish they were lighter but oh well still a great vane. Q2i would be next
@@paytenblevins3401 those are the ones that I am leaning towards. Thanks for your input.
You need to try the new Super Sabre vane from DCA custom arrows and compare it in a similar test...
Only thing is looks like you're using different arrows which wouldn't make a difference if they're all the same weight but if they're different weights it'll make a massive difference on noise just from weight and arrow stiffness so idk
Can you do similar tests with mylar vanes or spin wings?
I haven’t seen video yet with microphone at the target. I’m more curious to the noise heading toward the target. Instead of what it sounds like in the middle of the flight path off to the side.
Another great video.
BTW, just so happened to be at the Matthews facility? Picking up your new bow that we will not see till the end of the year?
Was wondering if anyone else picked up on location .. too early to wonder what's next for mathews..?? Can't wait to see what they do
You should have tried a DCA super sabre vane
The weight of the arrows will affect the noise. Test different weights like from a light TAC arrow to a heavy 600 grain and then a few in the middle.
They will make a difference in bow noise at the shot, not arrow flight noise. This has been proven on decibel meters. One meter at the bow and one at the target. No difference at target, it’s all at the shot and that would be the bow not the arrow. Fletchings will still make the sound down range
Great info
If bigger vane and louder just aim a tad lower
You should have also shot bareshafts different diameters to test noise
I have tried different configurations and the noise levels as what I heard from one to the next were at some point not noticeable,, Especially considering what I shoot,, And I will not go into that not on an open blog,,, Personally I will gladly discuss it
You could literally spend the rest of your life in there trying all the variables. Imagine adding different tips or broadhead. Pretty cool presentation.
I completely agree with what you are saying and I understand that you guys are trying to do a test in a control climate test but listen to how mad your voice echo though out the entire range the sound waves bounces 2 or if not 3 times as more as it would in the desert or in the timber if your going to stride and true test do it in the feild something more practical the in a room with tons of walls having the sounds waves bouncing off on or the other it’s awesome but I truly think that the room it’s self made a huge difference with sounds I could pin point a few arrows that were 3 times louder than I’ve tested in the feild
Nock tune your broadheads cause vanes don’t steer. Just make sure you have more surface area on your fletching than broadhead
Disappointed you guys didn’t test out a 12 fletch configuration for the fellas that shoot broadheads the size of a shovel head all in the name of FOC..
the larger arrow most likely weighs more so it's traveling slower
That was my first thought, faster will always be louder
Keep it up Chris
Awesome video, the only nerd point I would add as an engineer is the scale, decibels are logarithmic, where a 3 dB change is a double/or cutting in half in a linear scale, so 100 watts to 200 watts change is only that 3 dB. Might matter depending on the animal and distance.
Chris great video. What about the height and length of the vane. The larger the vane the more air displacement, so one would assume more noise. What about testing the 3 or 4 different sizes of the AAE hybrid vanes? It also appears the "max stealth" you used are actually the AAE hybrids the max stealth say max stealth on them. its my understanding that the max stealth are quieter than the hybrids. Ive been using the AAE hybrid 26 on the new Easton sonic 6mm with a 1 degree left offset and have been very happy and impressed with them. They shoot great and are quite.
This is a great video. Definitely shows the differences in arrow setups.
Next time you should try that with a shotgun microphone on the stand. It will eliminate a lot of the room echo in the audio. The duel microphone head picks up a massive amount of room noise.
Very interesting and informative......but that's pretty typical of a Chris video.
Love him or hate him, but the Ranch Fairy has shown that an unfletched, properly tuned arrow with at least 19 percent FOC, flies like a laser beam to 30 yards. Vanes solidify the stable flight in winds with broadheads. The science reveals that it requires very little vane profile to stabilize a properly tuned arrow. I personally shoot cut down plastic vanes for simply stabilizing the tail of the arrow even while shooting 400 grain single bevel broadheads with an FOC of 31 percent. It is very quiet. I shoot bolt shafts by Sirius with an OD greater than .300. Chris has hit on something here, that larger diameter shafts contribute to quieter arrows, and slower speeds further reduce noises. The faster the arrow, the greater the resistance in flight. All data shows slower, heavier FOC arrows increases efficiency in both flight and all exterior ballistics. Speed might go down, but slugs of momentum goes up at a greater proportional rate. Bow noise is wasted energy being absorbed by the bow. Heavier arrows recovers that wasted energy and converts it into arrow KE and momentum. This means QUIETER in the bow and in arrow flight. It's science!
What’s up,
Chrisbee! Ok you’ve opened up a can of worms! You should try lower profile anyway because if your shooting an expandable on a well tuned bow and arrow set up you don’t need a high profile. You should give more scenarios and all the companies out there a chance.
FYI that was not a Max Stealth...it was an AAE Hybrid 26. Same size as the Max Stealth but the Hybrid is a different material (softer, slightly less stiff) as the Max Stealth. I am sure the results would be pretty close those and maybe the Max Stealth could be even a litter quieter since it's a tad stiffer?
Can we also just bring up that at 9:05 he said "can you HEAR a VISABLE difference?" lol
Any chance you could do a video about your grip vs the stock Mathews grip or no grip at all? I just bought my first Mathews and I'd like some insight before I make any changes.
The wrist angle is a touch higher on his grip and it's more square and wider than the stock. If you go no grip at all it's narrower and the draw length will be a touch longer. Its very subjective though I suggest you try and find used so if you don't like you can resell and be out very little $. I like a little higher wrist so have the torqueless medium it's contours fit my hand very nicely
Listening on imac speakers cmon you can do better, thats incredible bad testing. Do you shoot them exact same passing distance from microphone? Edit: now i saw you picking up the arrows from target and every arrow was on different height level so this test doesnt tell much or anything. For these kind of tests you really need somebody who knows about audio.
If I remember correctly a +/- 3db is a double in volume to the human ear. That may depend on weighting scale
I use the bohning air for TAC and you can them whistling all the way to the target lol
Fixed Blades are more forgiving on a bad hit verses Expandable broadheads. Can shoot threw grass ALSO
You should do a v3 27 vs v3x 29 video. Love the videos keep it up
Excellent content!! Round 2 will be even better!!!!
Chris bee dropping videos.
Nice
Fletching is one thing but what about broadheads? Can a broadhead be so loud it makes the vane selection (based on noise) somewhat irrelevant?? Very interesting video tho keep up the science!! haha
Good science..! Wonder the same about a solid Vs vented broadheads..?
Hmm hearing a visible difference is pretty hard even if you're not a scientist 😂😂😂
Little late but, same as a bullet the faster the object is moving the louder it will be. That’s why the 6mm is quieter, it’s moving slower
Wondering what those 2023 matthews look like lucky dog
Who the hell is sending those 747 sounding feathers down range at a whitetail out of a compound?????
"This is like myth busters" Funny thing is, Chris looks like Tory from Mythbusters
Chris, try the Bully vanes and let us know. Curious to know specially vs the blazer
This is the best test for This I have seen done… But, still not what I would call convincing at all. Someone needs to do a test with decibel reader not a microphone.
Many many years ago I had my wife get behind a tree While I sent some arrows Bye her. I was testing some firenock aerovane fetching. Yes they were a little quieter. I just happened to have a staggered 4 fletch aae pm 23. WOW home run. Like you discovered small and stiff help but staggering is a game changer. Staggering is easy with a Bitzenburger just put 4 marks on the jig 1/2 inch apart for the back of the fletch go forward each time. Supposedly other advantages that's why it was in my quiver decades ago. Haven't hunted without it since.
That would be a interesting test, add with it, the distance from the nock.
Front of knock groove To back of rear Fletch Is 7/8 of an inch Each letch moves forward by 3/8 of an inch. I have not played with different spacing, I'm sure it matters. I've settled with Bitzenburger right helical 4 fetch aae max stealth. I think it's got something to do with the draft so it probably has less drag (not necessarily good for control).
This video popped up at the perfect time. Thanks Chris!!
Let’s get this vid with some popular broadheads stay with the most popular vanes and get some of the most popular heads and I would like to see the microphone right beside the target let’s hear what the deer would hear
It would be cool if you did this with a lot more nerdiness. Like potentially a 1-2 hour video with all your options tested multiple times with averages and standard deviations
The smaller the arrow the more the fletching wraps around the arrow so more pitch to the vane
Larger diameter arrows have more weight and carbon to absorb some vibration noise that you would get in the smaller shafts.
Had my head twisted when you said “can you hear a visible difference?”.
Chris, where is your non-fletched arrow as your control? No fletchings on the arrow would show you the raw arrow noise.
If the stiffer the vane the quieter it is because of less air flutter, would a crossbow vane be quieter because it would have to be stiffer because of the crossbows must faster speed? I never really thought about it before now, I just want to get your thoughts on this.
you should test old school wood arrows for traditionalists ? test full size feather flu flu's and spiral versions... and maybe retest each vanes with actual broad heads,? will broadhead foc make it less noisy? more arrow weight to absorb vibration in flight and less archers paradox? test the smallest to the largest broadheads for noise differences? mechanicals verses solids? etc...
Wish yall had used gateway razr feathers to be more consistent, outside of that great vid
"Is there enough of a difference to make a difference? You be the judge."
The human ear can only hear in 3 db steps. If what you are trying to hear is not + or - 3 db. Then you will never be able to hear it….
4mmvs5mmvs6mm. Size effects weight. Weight effects speed.
they have a 2in feather blazer that was significantly quieter then the 4 or 6in
Your AAE vanes are Hybrids not stealth. Says it on the side of the vane.