Batman: I won’t kill the Joker. If I cross that line, I’ll never be able to go back. Red Hood: Fine. I’ll do it. I don’t care. Batman: I can’t let you do that Jason. You’re not a killer. Red Hood: I shot Polka dot man in the neck two hours ago. Wasn’t even doing anything. I just saw him and felt the unyielding need to kill him.
Batman: Jason Peter Todd! Ok it’s time out for you mister. Go back to the cave, you know where the time out spot is. We don’t kill in this family and you know that so until you say sorry you’re in time out.
How would each Robin go about killing the Joker (or preventing him from ever killing anyone)? Dick: Paralyze him from the neck down, with my sexy acrobat skillz. Jason: Shoot him in the face! Tim: Just improve the security at Arkham, it's as if their budget is a nickel. Stephanie: Shoot him in the face! I'm not gonna become like the last Batgirl! Damien: Yeah I'm with Jason. Why don't we just kill him? Revive him with the Lazarus Pit if taking a life bothers you that much.
Another thing that just proves companies don't know what they're doing, because I guarantee this is the most watched and listened to Audible ad of all time.
Man the boys would feel so silly if they heard the extremely reasonable explanation that the joker is filled with clown toxins, and that whoever kills him becomes the next joker.
Side thing. Batman has admitted that if he killed one he wouldn’t be able to stop. Hence why he doesn’t kill but why in certain storylines he leaves the joker to die (usually he doesn’t)
@@pinstripe4254 i think it's important to clarify that *one* batman said this and it doesn't necessarily hold true for other iterations of the character. additionally, i personally always thought that even that batman didn't honestly believe that, but that the real answer wouldn't have been received well by the person he was talking to. i don't think it's a reason that fits well with his character. the whole reason he fights crime is because of how the deaths of his parents affected him, and he can't stand to see life lost, much less take lives himself.
He's on the side that lets him continue his trauma fueled crusade to lock gotham in a stasis of perpetual terror, where he alone is capable of prolonging the shitty lives of those around him, rather than just funding programs to clean up the city.
@@tatefranklin4761 i see you dont know anything about batman. The Wayne's have been donating and funding programs since they got money. Money cant fix gotham's problems. Its full of corruption.
At a certain point the Justice League just needs to treat Batman like a fussy 4 year old. Distract him with some puzzle to solve so Wonder Woman can just handle the Joker.
Batman: All the people I've murdered by letting you live Joker: I never kept count Batman: I did Joker: I know, and I love ya for it! -Dark Knight Returns Part 2
Not it's less like the trolley problem and more like the problem of being a doctor and whether or not you would kill one person to save five people but you're just killing tons and tons of people to save the one who is suicidal let's be honest, he keeps trying to gas the town he lives in. In order to commit suicide by cop, shits fucked up, Harley Quinn as a horrible therapist.
I mean, it's really the fault of the justice system more than batman. the prisons are terrible, how dors he not get the death penalty? How does a cop not just take the opportunity?
Batman can’t kill the joker because fighting him is the only thing that gives his life meaning, the only thing that makes him feel truly alive since his parents died. If the joker dies then so does Batman. The joker likes to say that he and Batman are the same, and Batman always denies it but it’s true. The joker is just more open and honest about it, where Batman is more self repressed. They both want to be out there, operating beyond the law, dishing out random violence as they see fit without needing the approval of society or any court. Batman is not a man of peace, he does not want to live a peaceful life, every time he has to he drives himself crazy. He wants to be out there on the streets, hurting and scaring people while dressed in a costume, the same as the joker. Yes, the joker may more frequently act on the desire to kill or maim than Bruce, but Bruce still wants to do it. He’s paranoid, and compulsively sees violence in everything. He makes a plan to kill all of his closest friends, without telling them, and these violent fantasies are so detailed that when they’re stolen they _actually succeed_ at taking down all of the earths strongest heroes. This is something he thinks about _a lot._ Batman does not want to be Bruce Wayne, he does not enjoy pretending to be normal, the only time he feels like his true self is when he is out on the streets. He spends every waking moment thinking about that goal. Whenever he’s just having Champagne with the boys in peace his brain is running through a thousand fantasies where he just violently attacks these people, or others. He might keep himself from killing, but he is addicted to violence. The Joker is the person Batman truly wants to be. The joker doesn’t have a secret identity, he doesn’t have to take these long breaks before getting his next hit, he doesn’t keep his violent fantasies locked up inside his mind or set arbitrary limits for himself. - Where Bruce compulsively plans for kill (oh right, not supposed to use that word. My apologies, “take down) everyone he meets and then just hopes he’ll find an excuse to let loose and fulfill them, Joker just does it. Batman makes a plan to beat Superman, even though Superman has done nothing wrong, because deep down he wants him to. He wants to fight him, he’s waiting for Clark to give him an excuse so that he won’t feel like a bad guy, like the man who killed his parents, but he still wants the fight, he wants a clear villain he can overpower to reclaim the power he feels was stolen from him in the moment of his parents death, and the only language he knows is conflict. Batman lives in a state of constant self-denial, eternal unfulfilled sadistic desire. And, by comparison, the joker is a hedonist. If he wants to fight superman he’ll just do it. He doesn’t care about what the rest of society thinks, and in the end neither does Bruce. If he did he’d be a cop not a criminal vigilante. Bruce just holds himself back from going all the way because of his childhood trauma, he can only let it out when there’s a target that justifies it. And here is where we find Bruce’s psychological dependency on Joker. Without a greater evil to contrast himself against, Batman could not consider himself a hero. If there is no great threat that needs stopping, Batman is just a lunatic in a mask attacking people, he becomes the villain. But because Joker is always there, such an over the top evil that is always threatening people’s lives, suddenly any method Batman uses become justified, if Bruce wants to beat up several hundred people or torture somebody for information now he can do it, and so long as he tells himself it’s necessary to stop the joker he can still consider himself a hero. Joker is...freedom. He only exists in relation to Batman, this evil persona is an artificial construct, a mask he puts on for Bruce’s benefit. - without Batman joker would still be violent, but he only takes it up to 11 because by doing that he makes it okay for Bruce to take it up to 10. They are not opposites, they are the same. - When he says his refusal to kill is what separates him from the joker, he’s right. Not that he would without it eventually descend to the jokers level, but rather that he is already there, the refusal to kill is just the final step, the one border he can choose not to cross and say “see, I’m still a good person, there’s one thing I wouldn’t do” while ignoring the trail of broken bodies left in his wake. The joker is in some ways less of an enemy to Batman, and more of a master. He is to Batman what Batman is to Robin. He takes this child and Inducts him into violence. He trains him to be prepared to use violence against anyone, to see enemies everywhere. And ultimately, he is always one step ahead of his apprentice. The joker is _winning._ Every issue where Batman uses violence to solve his problem the joker is laughing. It’s so funny that Batman can’t see he’s doing the same thing, just calling it a different name. Each time they fight the joker is daring him to get in on the joke, to realize the absurdity of his position and take the plunge. And when you kill the joker, he wins. If Batman snaps his neck the joker will be gone, yes, but he will have admitted that they truly were the same. That they were both willing to kill people just because they felt like it. That all of Batman’s moralizing about having a line he won’t cross we’re false, there is no limit. That final piece that was allowing Bruce to view himself as a hero crumbles, and he is left with only the truth. That he is just another deranged lunatic in Gotham, dressing in a costume and going out at night to hurt and kill whoever he feels like, unbound by any law or code, just doing whatever makes him feel good. As I already mentioned, Batman fixates one violence a lot, plans to kill/take down everyone he meets, and the reason he doesn’t do that is that he wants to feel like a hero. Wants to convince himself that it serves a greater purpose than just getting his jollies off. But now that illusion has been broken. He’s not turning it up to 10 because the joker went to 11, he’s gone to 11 by himself, not because he has to, but because he _wants_ to, because it felt good to kill. So... why would he stop? He’s been disillusioned of his own heroic image, he no longer needs to act in line with it, he knows he’s doing this because he wants to do it, not because he has to. So why not kill Superman? He knows he can do it, he knows it would feel good. He knows it would help relieve that feeling of powerlessness. So he fights Superman, he kills Superman. It feels good, he’s always wanted to do it. Why did it seem so difficult before? He feels so free, is this how the joker feels all the time? He laughs. He stops pretending to be Bruce Wayne, now there is no mask, there is only Batman. He wanders the streets at night seeking conflict, itching for a fight. And when he can’t find one he just starts one. His gadgets turn more deadly, bat-shark-repellent is replaced with Bat-car-bombs, bataraangs with a bat-gat. Bruce Wayne doesn’t want to feel powerless, what could make him feel more powerful than taking someone’s life? He was a scared powerless child cowering from a criminal with a gun, and how he is the criminal with the gun, and everybody else is cowering. He will never be caught. The worlds greatest detective can cover his tracks better than the joker ever could. He becomes the silent Black Death that comes in the night and leaves behind only bodies. The punchline of the joke isn’t that Batman is a lunatic murderer, it’s that he ever convince himself he was anything else. The idea that he was a hero just because he aimed his violence at other criminals. Kill the joker and that delusions cracks, and cannot be repaired. Batman is just another lunatic from Arkham, only instead of being obsessed with Riddles or Jokes or Coin Flips and theming his crimes around that, Batman’s madness is obsessed with the idea of heroes.
Honestly, screwing with ad reads is a more effective way to get me to listen to the ad. It still probably won't get me to buy the thing, but it definitely takes it from zero attention to non-zero attention.
You know, I agree that the Joker likely does have to be killed in order to truly be stopped, and there’s apart of me that hates that that’s the way it has to be (because having to think that anyone deserves to die or has to die is a shitty situation, real or fake), but everyone’s out here being like “Batman should just kill the Joker, why doesn’t he?” Meanwhile, I’m sitting here thinking “you know what’s really weird? Why hasn’t ANY cop in the GCPD just shot the Joker?” Like they probably do have more of a chance of not getting arrested for it than Batman would if he killed him, and they have just as much reason to kill him as Batman would, and as far as I can tell, the GCPD DOESN’T have a strict “no killing” code. Gordon gets a pass here because he’s in the same game as Batman due to killing joke. If Gordon or Batman kills the Joker, Joker wins because he made a paragon of good for Gotham crack. But if Harvey Bullock busted through a door with the rest of GCPD behind him, sees the Joker, and then pops him in the dome? Joker doesn’t care about Bullock, so it would be the ultimate slap in the face to him. He’d basically be gunned down by someone that wasn’t even on his radar, and that would make the Joker “the clown that got gunned down in his prime by some slob nobody on the force who got lucky”. Any cop that isn’t Commissioner Gordon could just shoot the Joker and we’d have a lot less carnival themed acts of terror in Gotham. But no, we all gotta think Batman has to do it
@@kinkanalchemist I’m honestly just sick of people saying that Batman should kill the Joker, like he’s the only one that’s capable of doing so. Like, forget about his moral code for a second, Batman is an active Vigilante, and as a guy with no powers, he’s one of the most possible people to actually arrest. If he commits murder, the GCPD essentially has to go after him after a certain point. And eventually they will be able to catch him. He’s good, but he’s still a guy, and it’s not like he hasn’t had people discover his secret identity before, so it’s absolutely possible for the GCPD to eventually close in on him and take him down. Do we really want to risk all of that, having them focus all their attention on catching Batman, because he decides to kill the Joker? Batman genuinely has so much reason to not kill anyone, because the second he does, not only would he likely not be able to stop himself anymore, but there’s also the fact that there’s no way Gotham would let him be Batman while killing. Red Hood barely gets a pass BECAUSE the Bat Family usually puts in a good word for him, but if he goes too far, they’re on his ass. And that’s likely because they don’t want the GCPD or any other police force on his ass instead of them. They’re vigilantes. They can’t really go too far out of bounds and expect to not have to worry about the police, no matter how many friends in the force they have. At that point, they would just be the same as the crime bosses they actively tried to get rid of
I never liked how Patrick Stewart never lobotomized Magneto when he wasn’t wearing his special hat. Like every time Magneto did a crime on someone, that’s on Patrick. He’s a selfish boy cuz he doesn’t want to lose his chess buddy XC
IN THE FUCKING BATMAN MOVIE with heath ledger he CATCHES the joker!!! He wont let him die!!! This DIRECTLY contradicts the first movie where he let's raz em ghoul or whatever the fuck to die in a huge train accident. BATMAN??? DO YOU NEED THE JOKER? WHAT IS THIS?
Why are people so mad at batman for not killing the joker? He puts the joker in a facility that is run by the government which has the authority to kill him. Sure *Batman* doesn't kill the Joker, but he regularly gives the American people the ability to do so themselves and they choose not to
Ok but he's saved him from the death penalty multiple times and every time joker does die regardless of the circumstances batman is super fucked up over it and whines for months. The dude just likes having joker around let's be honest he just is the only person on the planet besides Harley that loves the guy
I would kill Batman I would kill the joker I would kill most of his villains, especially the mob bosses and anyone that’s into greed or crime or insanity, but I would work with poison ivy and Dr. freeze and any of the other super scientist something that we can better society
Okay why is it Batman's job to murder the Joker though? He doesn't even need to do the whole crimefighting thing in the first place. He chooses to. The moral weight to freakin murder someone if they need murderin isn't on his shoulders. Stopping crime weirdos is like, his hobby, not his preordained position within the universe. If the guy isn't down for murder just let him not murder people. Why don't the Mcelroys go kill the Joker if it bothers 'em so much. This is very funny though.
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I can’t believe audible wrote this ad read verbatim
audible just knows whats up
Jason Todd: "Bruce, I need to purchase Audible. No, I swear, this is super important."
This has equal but opposite energy to John Mulaney's "would you kill Hitler" joke.
Same Vibe, Different Energy
This is why you don't skip the Money Zone
the Money Zone has the best parts sometimes :))
So true. One of my favorite McElroy bits of all time is from the Money Zone!
Thedoctorswife Which bit? :)
Putting the Joker in a giant dog cone would probably solve 90% of Joker related problems
Batman is gonna donate his kidney to the Joker before he kills him.
Batman: I won’t kill the Joker. If I cross that line, I’ll never be able to go back.
Red Hood: Fine. I’ll do it. I don’t care.
Batman: I can’t let you do that Jason. You’re not a killer.
Red Hood: I shot Polka dot man in the neck two hours ago. Wasn’t even doing anything. I just saw him and felt the unyielding need to kill him.
Batman: It can't be you. It has to be... them.
Alfred: Is it time, sir?
Batman: Yes. Call Audible support.
Riddler: _RIDDLE ME PISS!_
This was a perfect escalation of replies.
Batman: Jason Peter Todd! Ok it’s time out for you mister. Go back to the cave, you know where the time out spot is. We don’t kill in this family and you know that so until you say sorry you’re in time out.
How would each Robin go about killing the Joker (or preventing him from ever killing anyone)?
Dick: Paralyze him from the neck down, with my sexy acrobat skillz.
Jason: Shoot him in the face!
Tim: Just improve the security at Arkham, it's as if their budget is a nickel.
Stephanie: Shoot him in the face! I'm not gonna become like the last Batgirl!
Damien: Yeah I'm with Jason. Why don't we just kill him? Revive him with the Lazarus Pit if taking a life bothers you that much.
Another thing that just proves companies don't know what they're doing, because I guarantee this is the most watched and listened to Audible ad of all time.
Man the boys would feel so silly if they heard the extremely reasonable explanation that the joker is filled with clown toxins, and that whoever kills him becomes the next joker.
God, I love stupid comic shit like this.
Side thing. Batman has admitted that if he killed one he wouldn’t be able to stop. Hence why he doesn’t kill but why in certain storylines he leaves the joker to die (usually he doesn’t)
Simple solution. Volcano.
@@pinstripe4254 i think it's important to clarify that *one* batman said this and it doesn't necessarily hold true for other iterations of the character. additionally, i personally always thought that even that batman didn't honestly believe that, but that the real answer wouldn't have been received well by the person he was talking to.
i don't think it's a reason that fits well with his character. the whole reason he fights crime is because of how the deaths of his parents affected him, and he can't stand to see life lost, much less take lives himself.
@@Blasted2Oblivionare you willing to run the risk of a sentient joker volcano?
Ya know what's F'ed up? Batman has a plan to kill almost every member of the Justice League, but he won't kill the Joker. Whose side is he on?
He's on the side that lets him continue his trauma fueled crusade to lock gotham in a stasis of perpetual terror, where he alone is capable of prolonging the shitty lives of those around him, rather than just funding programs to clean up the city.
Also his plans aren't meant to kill just "disable". People just keeps stealing them and modifying them.
He only plans to kill people he knows he won't be put in a position to follow through with.
@@tatefranklin4761 i see you dont know anything about batman. The Wayne's have been donating and funding programs since they got money. Money cant fix gotham's problems. Its full of corruption.
I think Batman's relationship with the Joker is borderline romantic at this point. That's the only logical reason why he hasn't killed him yet.
His motivation for becoming a superhero is so he doesn’t stand by and let things happen?? But he does it with Joker???
Cause they’re in love
jason todd CEO of Audible au ???
this comment killed me and i hope batman puts you in arkham for it
At a certain point the Justice League just needs to treat Batman like a fussy 4 year old. Distract him with some puzzle to solve so Wonder Woman can just handle the Joker.
Fantastic bit, love what you did with it. All the stock images of Bob Carrigan talking really got me.
Hehe thanks!! :)
Wow I can’t believe this episode of the show was ghost written by Jason Todd himself
Batman: All the people I've murdered by letting you live
Joker: I never kept count
Batman: I did
Joker: I know, and I love ya for it!
-Dark Knight Returns Part 2
Posts that make Jason Todd proud
Jason Todd would love this
Goomba Griffin at 0:57 is my new all-time favorite
Listen the Joker is uncontainable and 100% guilty so I mean at that point
your design for the boys ? absolutely lovely
Aw thank you so much!! I think i finally got how I draw them down :))
0:55 the way Griffin’s voice just goes all kinds of squeaky
I could never kill lego joker... I'm sorry
why couldn't you? he is just lego. plastic. very easy!
But he's too cute and gay!!!
@@SpookyDeerArt melts the lego joker with a magnifying glass in the sun
this is where im at as well. every other one is fair game, get his ass. but has lego joker even hurt anyone? he's just a lil guy
All i needed to see today was coned stickman joker
😁😁😁
I really like that bob is adult sized and the mcelroys are kid sized 😂
they kiddos!
I love Griffin as just a smol angry head with noodle limbs XD
Not it's less like the trolley problem and more like the problem of being a doctor and whether or not you would kill one person to save five people but you're just killing tons and tons of people to save the one who is suicidal let's be honest, he keeps trying to gas the town he lives in. In order to commit suicide by cop, shits fucked up, Harley Quinn as a horrible therapist.
I love so many skits from this podcast but this has to be my #1 fave
0:58 GOOMBA GRIFFIN
i love your style this is so cute
aww thank you so much! Thanks for the support ^^
almost ruined my dang laptop spittin out water at cone joker - you did good bud
cone joker is the real joker ;))
iconic, absolutely loved it
Thanks so much!
Let him WAIST! AWAY!
The weird thing is that he DOES kill the Joker at least 3 times. Why doesn’t he always do it????
3:05 tiny Travis SENT me
This is why you don't skip the Moneyzone
Great job! Maybe my favorite McElroy goof ever and you did a great job making it come to life. Thank you!
Oh of course!! I’m glad you enjoyed it!! 😁
i like how travis and justin make the question so the question mark is their colours... very cool
Nothing has made me want audible more
I mean, it's really the fault of the justice system more than batman. the prisons are terrible, how dors he not get the death penalty? How does a cop not just take the opportunity?
This is great!
thank you!
Didn't Batman once bring the Joker back to life after Nightwing killed him
I've heard this to, so I can confirm that yes he brought the clown back to life
WHERE YOU REALLY LANDED THE PLANE I GOTTA TELL YA boys-
in batman's defense, i feel like arkham asylum deserves at least half the blame here. how hard is it to keep one guy contained?
On a related note, does Gotham not have the death penalty?? Why does Joker keep getting put in Arkham??
Welcome to "Under the Red Hood"
This was hilarious when I listened to it and this is even better
Batman can’t kill the joker because fighting him is the only thing that gives his life meaning, the only thing that makes him feel truly alive since his parents died. If the joker dies then so does Batman.
The joker likes to say that he and Batman are the same, and Batman always denies it but it’s true. The joker is just more open and honest about it, where Batman is more self repressed. They both want to be out there, operating beyond the law, dishing out random violence as they see fit without needing the approval of society or any court. Batman is not a man of peace, he does not want to live a peaceful life, every time he has to he drives himself crazy. He wants to be out there on the streets, hurting and scaring people while dressed in a costume, the same as the joker.
Yes, the joker may more frequently act on the desire to kill or maim than Bruce, but Bruce still wants to do it. He’s paranoid, and compulsively sees violence in everything. He makes a plan to kill all of his closest friends, without telling them, and these violent fantasies are so detailed that when they’re stolen they _actually succeed_ at taking down all of the earths strongest heroes. This is something he thinks about _a lot._
Batman does not want to be Bruce Wayne, he does not enjoy pretending to be normal, the only time he feels like his true self is when he is out on the streets. He spends every waking moment thinking about that goal. Whenever he’s just having Champagne with the boys in peace his brain is running through a thousand fantasies where he just violently attacks these people, or others. He might keep himself from killing, but he is addicted to violence.
The Joker is the person Batman truly wants to be. The joker doesn’t have a secret identity, he doesn’t have to take these long breaks before getting his next hit, he doesn’t keep his violent fantasies locked up inside his mind or set arbitrary limits for himself. - Where Bruce compulsively plans for kill (oh right, not supposed to use that word. My apologies, “take down) everyone he meets and then just hopes he’ll find an excuse to let loose and fulfill them, Joker just does it.
Batman makes a plan to beat Superman, even though Superman has done nothing wrong, because deep down he wants him to. He wants to fight him, he’s waiting for Clark to give him an excuse so that he won’t feel like a bad guy, like the man who killed his parents, but he still wants the fight, he wants a clear villain he can overpower to reclaim the power he feels was stolen from him in the moment of his parents death, and the only language he knows is conflict.
Batman lives in a state of constant self-denial, eternal unfulfilled sadistic desire. And, by comparison, the joker is a hedonist. If he wants to fight superman he’ll just do it. He doesn’t care about what the rest of society thinks, and in the end neither does Bruce. If he did he’d be a cop not a criminal vigilante. Bruce just holds himself back from going all the way because of his childhood trauma, he can only let it out when there’s a target that justifies it.
And here is where we find Bruce’s psychological dependency on Joker. Without a greater evil to contrast himself against, Batman could not consider himself a hero. If there is no great threat that needs stopping, Batman is just a lunatic in a mask attacking people, he becomes the villain. But because Joker is always there, such an over the top evil that is always threatening people’s lives, suddenly any method Batman uses become justified, if Bruce wants to beat up several hundred people or torture somebody for information now he can do it, and so long as he tells himself it’s necessary to stop the joker he can still consider himself a hero.
Joker is...freedom. He only exists in relation to Batman, this evil persona is an artificial construct, a mask he puts on for Bruce’s benefit. - without Batman joker would still be violent, but he only takes it up to 11 because by doing that he makes it okay for Bruce to take it up to 10. They are not opposites, they are the same. - When he says his refusal to kill is what separates him from the joker, he’s right. Not that he would without it eventually descend to the jokers level, but rather that he is already there, the refusal to kill is just the final step, the one border he can choose not to cross and say “see, I’m still a good person, there’s one thing I wouldn’t do” while ignoring the trail of broken bodies left in his wake.
The joker is in some ways less of an enemy to Batman, and more of a master. He is to Batman what Batman is to Robin. He takes this child and Inducts him into violence. He trains him to be prepared to use violence against anyone, to see enemies everywhere. And ultimately, he is always one step ahead of his apprentice.
The joker is _winning._ Every issue where Batman uses violence to solve his problem the joker is laughing. It’s so funny that Batman can’t see he’s doing the same thing, just calling it a different name. Each time they fight the joker is daring him to get in on the joke, to realize the absurdity of his position and take the plunge.
And when you kill the joker, he wins. If Batman snaps his neck the joker will be gone, yes, but he will have admitted that they truly were the same. That they were both willing to kill people just because they felt like it. That all of Batman’s moralizing about having a line he won’t cross we’re false, there is no limit. That final piece that was allowing Bruce to view himself as a hero crumbles, and he is left with only the truth. That he is just another deranged lunatic in Gotham, dressing in a costume and going out at night to hurt and kill whoever he feels like, unbound by any law or code, just doing whatever makes him feel good.
As I already mentioned, Batman fixates one violence a lot, plans to kill/take down everyone he meets, and the reason he doesn’t do that is that he wants to feel like a hero. Wants to convince himself that it serves a greater purpose than just getting his jollies off. But now that illusion has been broken. He’s not turning it up to 10 because the joker went to 11, he’s gone to 11 by himself, not because he has to, but because he _wants_ to, because it felt good to kill.
So... why would he stop? He’s been disillusioned of his own heroic image, he no longer needs to act in line with it, he knows he’s doing this because he wants to do it, not because he has to.
So why not kill Superman? He knows he can do it, he knows it would feel good. He knows it would help relieve that feeling of powerlessness.
So he fights Superman, he kills Superman. It feels good, he’s always wanted to do it. Why did it seem so difficult before? He feels so free, is this how the joker feels all the time? He laughs.
He stops pretending to be Bruce Wayne, now there is no mask, there is only Batman. He wanders the streets at night seeking conflict, itching for a fight. And when he can’t find one he just starts one. His gadgets turn more deadly, bat-shark-repellent is replaced with Bat-car-bombs, bataraangs with a bat-gat.
Bruce Wayne doesn’t want to feel powerless, what could make him feel more powerful than taking someone’s life? He was a scared powerless child cowering from a criminal with a gun, and how he is the criminal with the gun, and everybody else is cowering.
He will never be caught. The worlds greatest detective can cover his tracks better than the joker ever could. He becomes the silent Black Death that comes in the night and leaves behind only bodies.
The punchline of the joke isn’t that Batman is a lunatic murderer, it’s that he ever convince himself he was anything else. The idea that he was a hero just because he aimed his violence at other criminals.
Kill the joker and that delusions cracks, and cannot be repaired.
Batman is just another lunatic from Arkham, only instead of being obsessed with Riddles or Jokes or Coin Flips and theming his crimes around that, Batman’s madness is obsessed with the idea of heroes.
This is the hottest take of the century and I’m so here for it
I’m so here for this
Honestly, screwing with ad reads is a more effective way to get me to listen to the ad. It still probably won't get me to buy the thing, but it definitely takes it from zero attention to non-zero attention.
This is unfair to Batman. Ofc he’s not gonna kill his crush
You know, I agree that the Joker likely does have to be killed in order to truly be stopped, and there’s apart of me that hates that that’s the way it has to be (because having to think that anyone deserves to die or has to die is a shitty situation, real or fake), but everyone’s out here being like “Batman should just kill the Joker, why doesn’t he?” Meanwhile, I’m sitting here thinking “you know what’s really weird? Why hasn’t ANY cop in the GCPD just shot the Joker?” Like they probably do have more of a chance of not getting arrested for it than Batman would if he killed him, and they have just as much reason to kill him as Batman would, and as far as I can tell, the GCPD DOESN’T have a strict “no killing” code. Gordon gets a pass here because he’s in the same game as Batman due to killing joke. If Gordon or Batman kills the Joker, Joker wins because he made a paragon of good for Gotham crack. But if Harvey Bullock busted through a door with the rest of GCPD behind him, sees the Joker, and then pops him in the dome? Joker doesn’t care about Bullock, so it would be the ultimate slap in the face to him. He’d basically be gunned down by someone that wasn’t even on his radar, and that would make the Joker “the clown that got gunned down in his prime by some slob nobody on the force who got lucky”. Any cop that isn’t Commissioner Gordon could just shoot the Joker and we’d have a lot less carnival themed acts of terror in Gotham. But no, we all gotta think Batman has to do it
You know what? This is actually perfect. You are 100% right and I support you on this
@@kinkanalchemist I’m honestly just sick of people saying that Batman should kill the Joker, like he’s the only one that’s capable of doing so. Like, forget about his moral code for a second, Batman is an active Vigilante, and as a guy with no powers, he’s one of the most possible people to actually arrest. If he commits murder, the GCPD essentially has to go after him after a certain point. And eventually they will be able to catch him. He’s good, but he’s still a guy, and it’s not like he hasn’t had people discover his secret identity before, so it’s absolutely possible for the GCPD to eventually close in on him and take him down. Do we really want to risk all of that, having them focus all their attention on catching Batman, because he decides to kill the Joker? Batman genuinely has so much reason to not kill anyone, because the second he does, not only would he likely not be able to stop himself anymore, but there’s also the fact that there’s no way Gotham would let him be Batman while killing. Red Hood barely gets a pass BECAUSE the Bat Family usually puts in a good word for him, but if he goes too far, they’re on his ass. And that’s likely because they don’t want the GCPD or any other police force on his ass instead of them. They’re vigilantes. They can’t really go too far out of bounds and expect to not have to worry about the police, no matter how many friends in the force they have. At that point, they would just be the same as the crime bosses they actively tried to get rid of
I would argue that killing the joker isn’t Batman’s job
I never liked how Patrick Stewart never lobotomized Magneto when he wasn’t wearing his special hat.
Like every time Magneto did a crime on someone, that’s on Patrick.
He’s a selfish boy cuz he doesn’t want to lose his chess buddy XC
0:32 lego batman joker, checkmate
And John Doe from telltale
it’s cause batman is in love with the joker duh 🙄 🙄
FINALLY someone said it
Honestly the Joker is like the most irredeemable character.
We do live in a society…
Ok, but what about the version of the joker that's batman's mom? Batman can't kill martha.
Lego joker.....
IN THE FUCKING BATMAN MOVIE with heath ledger he CATCHES the joker!!! He wont let him die!!! This DIRECTLY contradicts the first movie where he let's raz em ghoul or whatever the fuck to die in a huge train accident. BATMAN??? DO YOU NEED THE JOKER? WHAT IS THIS?
Why are people so mad at batman for not killing the joker? He puts the joker in a facility that is run by the government which has the authority to kill him. Sure *Batman* doesn't kill the Joker, but he regularly gives the American people the ability to do so themselves and they choose not to
Ok but he's saved him from the death penalty multiple times and every time joker does die regardless of the circumstances batman is super fucked up over it and whines for months. The dude just likes having joker around let's be honest he just is the only person on the planet besides Harley that loves the guy
Okay but thats even more unbelievable. America just loves the death penalty
@@stan573 not everyone in america does. batman certainly doesnt. there are far less believable events that have taken place in batman comics
Well they always find the joker insane in court so they just commit him instead of sentencing him to anything else
I would kill Batman I would kill the joker I would kill most of his villains, especially the mob bosses and anyone that’s into greed or crime or insanity, but I would work with poison ivy and Dr. freeze and any of the other super scientist something that we can better society
Okay why is it Batman's job to murder the Joker though? He doesn't even need to do the whole crimefighting thing in the first place. He chooses to. The moral weight to freakin murder someone if they need murderin isn't on his shoulders. Stopping crime weirdos is like, his hobby, not his preordained position within the universe. If the guy isn't down for murder just let him not murder people. Why don't the Mcelroys go kill the Joker if it bothers 'em so much. This is very funny though.