@@cattysplat Heed me... The subjects of a weak ruler must needs look to a higher power for providence...and their dependence comes at a cost to the realm. The misguided elevate the frail... And the frail lead the people astray. Unless a man of power wrests control...the cycle will never be broken. You... You of all people must see the truth in this. You who have the strength to rule...
You cannot have monetization in a subscription based game. You have to pick one: either subscription and everything is included, or free to play with money from the in game store. That's it.
Hell, some MMOs manage even without making the choice. Wizard101 for example. Not often talked about but consistently alive and strong to this day since 2008. Still has a membership system and HELLA transactions in the game, but is still quite popular. Ultimately, it's about the devs making proper content or not. Despite how expensive it can get, no one can deny that the game is just fun to play, and that's what keeps players in. WoW has even lost the quality aspect of it nowadays.
FFXIV does it and people praise the hell out of that game. The difference is what you get in the game feels worthwhile. A lot of the in game mounts are better and more unique than the store mounts. They don't promote them and they don't bribe players with them. They actually sell a lot more than WoW (storage space is particularly shitty). FFXIV sells boosts and players are always telling people to not buy them - not because they're bad for the game but because the game is so good they'd be doing a disservice to themselves by skipping it. FFXIV feels like it's designed with the players in mind and boosts exist for those few people who have zero interest in the story because it does take a very long time.
@randomguy8196 See, I'm not so sure about that. They do have amazing story beats in there sometimes, and good characters that have developed over time, but putting them all together into one solid work requires that the story team and the gameplay team work together and have equal say over the long-term development of the game. I've played a lot of WoW, played through each expansion (save Shadowlands so far) multiple times, and there is some quality stuff to work with in each expansion that, after a while, they just....don't use. So much time in AU Draenor, so much time building up a garrison, and players not only don't get a sendoff, the only players who even interact with that world again are those unlocked Mag'har Orcs, and that takes like five minutes with no exploration of wtf is going on. The Class Order Halls could've been the base for an AMAZING BFA experience - groups you worked with for an entire expansion suffering divides amongst its members from the new Horde/Alliance war and focusing on Azeroth's wounds instead (and the DK Order Hall prepping for Sylvanas to make a move, not knowing what's to come but Bolvar KNOWING she's going to try something). Not to mention how many story beats happen in the novels, comics, short stories, etc., outside of the game. That's part of what drove me away from WoW - it's not a really bad story, it's an interesting world and story told very badly, and every expansion you can just see how much potential is just thrown away. At some point, you just...give up on expecting any developments that matter beyond the expansion you're in. Unless there's a dramatic shift in how the devs work, I can promise you this entire Shadowlands thing, the whole 'countless different afterlives', the lore about the cosmos you learn? Won't mean a thing in 10.0.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis no, it has far more player than it needs to support itself but their shareholders got expections and if they don't they will lose those.
The way Asmon's smile melts away when the friends start disappearing... the deep breathe in and sigh at the end... Carbot was too on point. Made it too real.
TotalBiscuit said it himself: "WoW is too big. There is no such thing as a WoW-killer. Only WoW can kill WoW." Rest in Peace good sir. You and your wisdom will be sorely missed.
One of the first high profile players quitting over their dislike for the games direction I can remember. Used to love his WoW content and remember how angry he was they nerfed Cata heroics.
@@SamoIsKing I remember feeling invigorated as a healer that Cata was making people pay attention to standing in fire. It was ALMOST as good as TBC where you had to CC mobs in a dungeon. Then they nerfed Cata dungeons. That was the start of my heartbreak. Then they gave us Garrisons. As a lover of REAL housing, I never bothered with WoW again. Garrisons made me realize there was something wrong with Blizzard developers. They were so out of touch with what players wanted, and it only got worse.
Man. You could really tell how much Asmon enjoyed the start of the video, reliving those precious memories when he first started. He was genuinely beaming with joy. And the gradual sadness seeping in and finally the kicker when it ended. This video hit me hard but the reactions from Asmon, hit me even harder.
Yep, even if DreamHeven of the other dudes make a new MMO, it would take years. How old are we going to be, they keep reliying on the old fans but more and more they are going away, while failing to bring new people.
They've been trying. Titanfall anyone? Overwatch was the leftover bits and art from that project. Compare the play loop of modern wow and say Diablo 3. Outside of the perspective, pretty similar. Run around, kill things, turn in quests. Hell, Diablo even gives you _more_ loot than WoW. They need to realize player feeling matters way more than the systems they create because system do not in of themselves provide player satisfaction.
@@chrisbaldwin8570 I honestly think the first thing we need to think about is how many players they can fit on screen and then come up with game designs within that limitation. Right now it seems like they're letting their creatives run loose and designing systems without thinking about the limitation or people involved.
Blizzard died when Activision bought it. It's all Activision now. When WoW dies Blizzard will be absorbed and its cold corpse will be displayed for marketing shitty Activision games. Let Blizzard go- just let it go...
I remember playing for my first time with Mists of Pandaria. I just took a deep dive into the whole World of Warcraft universe and enjoyed every day. I just love the questing, meeting people, ending up in dungeons together and then they asked if I wanted to join their guild. We werent a big guild, we just enjoyed the days of playing together or just questing on our own while chatting. That experience had something magical... I miss them
tbf, gaming industry in general is falling down in the last few years. no one takes any risks, they just sell you what is safe and makes money. it needs little developers to take risks and come up with new ideas, which the big companies just copy and make it better because they have more money. i hate being a gamer nowadays, as a kid/teenager it was so awesome buying a new videogame and playing it nonstop, but now its just the same over and over again with different skins and more microtransactions. but at the same time i wont stop playing videogames, because theres still the hope for something great coming. Larian Studios is the only developer i trust anymore. Bioware and Bethesda can redeem theirselves if they make their next games good. oh yeah, i am talking purely about RPGs, because thats the only genre i am interested in. Rogue-likes/lites and other subgenres of rpgs are awesome too of course.
@@asmoncat5049 yes true, square enix didnt disappoint me once! Except for Kingdom Hearts 3, it was a bit underwhelming. But thats just one of many games from them. 🥰
It seems like all wow players are going through a mid-life crisis. And here is the harsh truth, Only if you let this game die will blizzard ever consider actually changing or even making a true sequel.
@@siddharthbirdi is not only mmo warcraft and than wow. I grew up with the lore and story of this world. I still play warcraft 3 sometimes. Is a shame that they let this rich world that made the history of videogames in such a pityful state.
I adore carbot. It's saddening how true to form this video is. It is exactly how I felt the entire journey of wow from release day to shadowlands. Sadly its been killing itself for years, and one day even kings die.
You can physically see asmon break character and see genuine sadness on his face at 3:04 when he presses "exit now" This video is too real, breaks my heart. :(
@@gmoney9469 Honestly, I foresee WoW 2 being more like what SWTOR became. So you can only do so many dungeons/raids a week then you have to buy a weekly pass to do extras. Be prepared to buy an unlock if you want to have more than 500 gold on your character and pay to buy an extra character slot. Parts of your UI are locked behind a paywall and exp is nerfed so you have to buy a boost if you don't want to end up underleveled. And Transmog? Oh yeah you're going to have to pay for an item to allow you to transmog one piece of gear.
people on the forums brought up this video and its literally just a thousand _the house on fire everything is fine_ meme style responses. you see shit talking and comments of "who is carbot?" and calling them a wanna-be influencer. its pretty hilarious how head in the sand people can be.
LMAO 'who is Carbot' what's next? 'Who's Asmon/Soda/Belluar/Method'? The sheer denial in those people... Blizz managed to get pretty much every content creator aside from the biggest shills, AND start losing to FFXIV due ro content draught and those people still claim the game is fine and dandy.
“Who’s carbot?” The dude who’s been featured in Blizzcon time and time again, who has his work all over Heroes of the Storm in emotes and icons that everybody uses and unified Blizz players with silly drawings about their games. To know that there’s people asking that question is so annoying, trying to dismiss an independent creator that has achieved so much with a company he loves and still gets hurt when he sees it turn to ash. I know you’re not asking the question yourself, but I wish I could tell that to the mfs asking.
I posted something I found funny on the wow subreddit, it was an email I got for resubbing and the email said something along the lines of “welcome back nzoth is up to no good learn more” and I just jokingly stated they can’t even update their emails to current expansion much less release and update for the expansion itself. And everyone down voted it and we’re like “imagine being mad at an email” like holy shit the shills for this game are so blind it is honestly pathetic and this is why wow has gone to shit people blindly defend a horrible corporation that does not give two shits about them
~6:55 “seeing real money in the game erodes the immersion experience.” Sad to watch the developers ruin a fresh start with classic/BC by repeating old mistakes
This is the reason why FFXIV store is not ingame. It's not that much better either because they have way more cash shop items too but at least you don't get confronted with a real-life currency in the game.
I dont think they are repeating mistakes. It's their intention, even their goal to put in MTX and thusfar it's working pretty well judging by the revenue numbers each quarter. Let's see how they did in Q2. I expect it to be even better than Q1.
Did you not see how players were boosting characters 6 months after classics launch? Did you not see the tons of bots in classic to the point you coldnt farm anything because ppl were buying gold by the ton?
OG Blizzard developed the greatest Meritocratic MMORPG ever made. It's a shame that the game they created is now owned by a publicly traded company who's beholdent to their shareholders instead of their players... 😞
Blizzard Entertainment was acquired by Davidson & Associates in 1994, then CUC International in 1996, then Havas in 1998 which was then purchased by Vivendi Games that same year. It remained in the hands of Vivendi until July of 2008 when Vivendi Games was dissolved in the merger between Activision and Vivendi, and so Activision Blizzard is born. However, Vivendi remained the majority shareholders of ActiBlizz until July of 2013! So unless you're talking about The Lost Vikings, Rock 'n Roll Racing or Blackthorne, all of Blizzard's games were made while owned by a parent company.
@@Azhix This is what makes me so tired, for years people have defended Blizz for being retards, blaming it on shareholders. Ignoring shit like how Blizz pays their devs pennies and tons of talent having left, likely some we probably never heard of too since they likely got better deals elsewhere. You get what you pay for man.
About a month ago I permanently deleted my Blizzard account. I just got so tired of seeing my favorite games I grew up with being corrupted with greedy practices time after time. I know games need to make money, but not like this. The Blizzard I knew and loved is dead and I'm not going to sit here and watch it get worse over time. Instead I'm out, and I'll take all my good memories of being a kid playing Starcraft and Warcraft 3 with my friends and having fun with me.
I did that a year and a half ago and honestly I don't miss it. There are so many good games out there made by companies that knows how to properly handle their customers.
I'm with you there. I submitted the GDPR request for my account, and about two weeks ago it was permanently deleted. Greed and rot has corrupted what was left of this company, and seeing esteemed figures like Jeff and Omar leaving halfway through their own projects was telling enough. Starcraft? Plenty of other better options for RTS. Diablo? Nah, POE was the true heir to that franchise. Warcraft? Nah, I'll continue in XIV. What's sad is... I didn't feel anything when I saw my account was gone. When my armory returned a 404 error. I felt nothing. The game had died within me long ago, and sunk cost was keeping me strung along hoping for something that was never gonna happen.
This is actually true story. I deleted my 70 warlock after our 2nd karazhan raid and quit the game after 10 years. It was nice guild good friends and great raids. But its just not what it used to be. It's not fun anymore for me. Everyone plays the game so competitive towards the end no one enjoys the journey anymore. It saddens me but life has to go on but wow is just a dead Game trying to get as much money as possible before it dies out.
Really doesn't help they've made the classic servers so casual. Professions are leveled too easily. Elite damage is like get hit by a wet noodle. And all the content is post nerf after the release of sunwell.
Yeah I was ready for BC, jumped right in there but eh. Boost everywhere. Wanna do DM? Boost! Wanna do Gnome? Boost! LF WC or SFK as alliance? Kek just boost! I quit after reaching level 37. Sure I found a group for some dungeons but it's not the same. Everything has a pricetag now. Helping out of kindniss? Nah that shit is gone. To bad really but it's just not for me anymore. Maybe I should try a private server...
Wow... This animation really hits hard. I only started wow at the end of BC, but I do know all of these things by proxy through family members and friends that used to play it at the time. I remember one christmas where my cousins were so hyped for the impending release of burning crusade, that it's all they talked about for the whole couple of days we were celebrating. Those were the good times when we still had reasons to be hyped for games, and games were made for gamers, not for investors and shareholders.
This actually made me cry. All the friends I made in WoW. We started a guild. We raided. We were a part of each other's lives. ...everyone slowly started to quit until I was all by myself.... and one day I felt so alone I quit too.
The reason this animation makes me cry isn't why it's making most people cry though I guess it does relate in a way. The reason it makes me cry is when WoW came out the game that gave me all the same feelings as in this video minus the store mounts etc, is how everquest made me feel when its community died as WoW and lackluster expansions caused people to leave and eventually so did I. Everquest will all ways be my first MMO love warts and all.
I played Everquest as well. The community was amazing, and slowly my friends quit and started plying WOW. I eventually moved on to WoW myself when Burning Crusade launched, but I never felt the same way about WOW as I did with Everquest. I tried to find my EQ friends on WOW, but it wasn’t easy back then.
Same for me with Everquest 2. I assume I'm a good bit younger than you, I was still too little when EQ1 came out, so the 'big one' for me was Everquest 2. I'm from Germany and no one here played EQ2, everyone was playing WoW, so I was looking for something different and more unique (to Germany, at least) and found EQ2. I absolutely LOVED that game back in the day. It was hard, you could barely do any adventuring solo, the housing was great, there was a real community spirit, people were nice to each other and there was real roleplaying going on in places.... hell, our guild leader turned her house into a giant bar and every evening at 8pm, she set her home to 'public access' so everyone could come to the bar, drink beer and chat with each other. Man, those were just different times... the peak of MMORPGs, end of the 90s to mid-2000s.
Same way with every MMO we loved. I remember when WoW came out and all my friends quit Runescape for it. Then the game slowly went downhill. Then I joined WoW and played hardcore and the same thing happened. Then another game, and another game, and now I haven't found a new home in years. I miss those old days of having a game I couldn't wait to log into every day and friends from all over the world that I earned the respect of.
This video honestly made me cry a little bit. Because I remember the incredible adventures and friends I made along the way, and to see them go as the game went on was so damn hard. I miss all my friends of old.
by the time i was 66 a week after launch, it seemed like everyone was already breaking into heroics. everyone was spamming dungeons instead of questing because thats the most efficient. dunno, didn't really feel like it used to, and the drive to keep up with everyone else so i didn't miss out on anything didn't feel good. i unsubbed, don't really have any interest in 9.1. honestly feels a bit sad, like closing a chapter in my life thats spanned 15 years.
@@lawlestest I'm sorry you're having these kind of experiences in TBC classic. I'm lvling at a slow pace and I'm having fun so far , always meeting friendly people or at least the majority of them. Hope you'll be more lucky in the future! take care!
It was not exactly WoW but a good amount of my best memories are from MMO's, the feeling you've playing with others is just so good. I honestly could never go back being a solo player it just makes playing 1000x harder
This animation video is a masterpiece. It's simple, it says it all, it touched the heart of all of us aged 25-30 that had WoW experience, and it makes you realise what might not have been clear or you've been blocking in your head this whole time. Time flies
Before I start... I know. I know, it's another "Hurr FFXIV" comment on an Asmon video. But, no man, I'm not here to sing the game's praises. I'm here to say, I felt this exact same loop, though for me it was less the Dark Portal Pass and more just the soullessness of how Blizzard presented BCC, the digital deluxe pack, and SL as a whole. I don't think microtransactions make a game inherently bad--I think they're an inherently bad practice because the overwhelming majority of companies are irresponsible with them, but a game can still be good in spite of their presence. My WoW guild in retail is empty. It's been empty since Warlords of Draenor. I'm only in it because I can't bring myself to put the final nail in 10+ years of seeing that tag under my name. My BC Classic guild is full of good people, but more and more I find myself thinking, "I could be in FF right now." and I log out. But every time I log in on FFXIV, I get that feeling the scene in Northshire conveys, my FC is always active, and it never feels like the cash shop's presence exists at the detriment of rewarding ingame activities. The dev team never comes off as feeling entitled to my subscription just by rote of being Square-Enix the way WoW's devs do. So, no, I'm not gonna sit here like, "Hey guys you should totally play the weeb game." Because it's not for everyone. But fuck me running if WoW doesn't badly need a serious hit to its market share just to shake things up. I'm so tired, man. I'm so tired of seeing the game waste potential in the name of quarterly earnings reports, soothing bruised dev egos, and whatever the fuck they're doing in the story development office (cocaine, I assume). Blizz just sent me an email asking me to renew my sub and... I'm done, I think. Ion and Brack managed what no other development team has managed in my lifetime: I'm walking away from a game with so many things left on my checklist, because I just can't justify the time or meager financial expenditures when there's a whole other development team bending over backwards to justify both.
I was hoping he'd marry that mage! My guildmate, a warrior, flew down to Florida to marry our other guildmate, a priest. They quit after Legion, same time I did. I hope they're doing well.
Multiple people in my guild married, too. Special callout to Janine and Jokob, if you see that I don't know if you are still a couple but I liked you a lot.
I met my now ex girlfriend on WoW back in Cata. Flew down to Georgia to be with her. Didn’t work out in the end but after I moved back up to NY, I went to a D&D session and met the woman who is now my wife lol
It's so sad to see a game that has brought so many people together fall prey to development that's only about money and telling the player how to play the game.
I've never played these games, but I almost even shed a tear man. You grow up, playing games with people. Wether its WOW, Halo, COD, etc...and then before you know it those people are gone. And how desperately you want to go back because those were truly the happiest days of you're life.
I'm very envious of those that played during the game's prime, I only started in bfa :/ it gives me imposter syndrome sometimes because of how late I started.
@@BoeufDaddy I remember seeing ads for Wrath and BC on TV when I was a kid, but because I was a dumb kid I didn't know it was a video game, I only knew my wii and Nintendo consoles.
The "other worldly" experience in those days must have been a magical time for those players, wish I was old enough at the time. Only cool community I was a part of from the start was Minecraft and honestly I don't regret those times at all, I still play it occasionally with my friends to this day, only on private realms though.
I can see wow was truly something special in those days, and they took what made it special and made it more like other games for the sake of monetization, and at the cost of it's community.
It touched my heart, I still remember when I was little and played the classic back in 2004, meeting my real friends even if it's online... Knowing that many of them I will never be able to speak again because they died in the covid pandemic, God this video is very painful. I admit I cried
I felt more nostalgic than sad, I had so much fun and good times from vanilla to wotlk. I met some of the best friends I ever had during those days and still see and talk with them often.
I remember, in BC (since I started WoW when the expansion was released), I used to go to Stormwind or GoldShire and propose to help new people to lvl up and do their quests. Just to play and group with someone else. And it worked, there was always someone new to play with. Not only that, but most were pretty grateful for it. I did that until WOTLK, that's when I stopped playing because my guild was disbanded. I went back for BfA, and tried to do the same. No one answered. First because there was no one to answer most of the time, and then the few people who grouped with me were asses, just basically ordering me around as if I was their employee.
My wife and I both cried watching this video for the first time (The Carbots video). It was sooo true.. worst part is blizz wont understand what this video was about...
yeah man, i cried too, wow was truly a place where you would meet new people out of nowhere and become friends with them and go through hardships together whether that be ingame or irl through voice, but now its just stale, classic isnt even the same anymore with everyone just rushing to complete the content and the monitzation bs.
@@frostyisland5028 The times changed and Blizzard adjusted. Back in 2004 no one would consider buying a boost since $60 was far above what, at the time, WoW's demography could afford. We could barely scrap enough money from our parents to afford the sub lol If people buy it, it'll be there. It's simple.
man i miss those times when WoW was a world where poeple came together to hang out and do things together and not just a game to check things of a list...
I started around the same time as asmongold. This hit hard for me too, and I played with my family. I remember a good time was my mom would constantly farm those Naga in ashenvale because they dropped 23 copper, so she would constantly go back there and just farm them because she thought it was a lot. I remember joining a guild called "Clan of the Ghost Claw" and we made friends with one guy on there that had the "twig of the world tree" and I remember wanting it so much cause it looked so cool. Man those were the days. WoW is a shell of it's former self. The exploration is gone, the wonder and magic are gone. It's all about end game now.
was just partied with a guy in Nagrand doing quests, and he says "idk why but horde go out of their way to kill me all the time" I just respond "well you kinda deserve it with that store mount"
@Naveen KV Screw that weakass shit, even after they removed the /spit for my weakaura I'll do /point and /fart or something instead. Pay pigs should get what they deserve.
As much as gamers want to hate on Blizz and the gaming industry as a whole, gamers need to realize that companies keep doing these things because gamers keep buying them
It'd take so much solidarity to change things... For every one person who buys the store mounts and pets, Blizz can afford to lose several players who leave because of it.
@@karlrassmann4604 You may be right, but that doesn't mean you should give up trying. At the very least you'll be able to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.
Eh. I know plenty of people that have quit and never started buying the new stuff. It's other people who enjoy this that buys it. Blizzard has switched player bases it caters too. It's why us complaining will.never work as we simply aren't who WoW is targeting.
@@jorencice it's a lot less other people who are buying it now though, and stockholders like profits, and it didn't work very well for Sony with Star Wars Galaxies, so you never know. Corporations have changed direction more than once before, in the past.
I'd be interested to know the atmosphere, thoughts going on inside the blizz HQ right now, especially seeing all their top content creators jumping ship or panning the game hard. I'm hoping this will shake the dev team up a little to put their resources into creating more content instead of meaningless systems.
the ones that remained that is, blizz is bleeing employees left and right, Jeff Kaplan was just the latest in a long list of senior devs that quit. i'd say they think they can win over the lost players in 9.1 that remains to be seen...
"Especially seeing all their top content creators jumping ship or panning the game hard" bro this is how it's always been. Why should Blizzard react any differently?
I am pretty sure they keep convincing themselves that everything is ok, they find some good numbers to show to investors or upper management (if they even care) and find good excuses for the bad numbers. I've been in big corporations and you cannot imagine until you see it how people without talent or under-performers are able to do anything to keep their job. As Steve Jobs has said it - people with A performance tend to hire and work with other A performance people. When you get too many B performance people they tend to hire and work with C performance people so they can stand out. Blizzard has lost its best talent...
There is nothing to shake there. Vast majority of devs who made their best games have left, either recently or a long time ago. And the new team is probably working on WoW mobile, mobile MMOs make insane bank and sell well in China.
I missed WoW, but I had a lot of friends who loved it and have spent almost 20 years hearing about how fun the game is and good the story is, dozens of stories of people making friends, meeting soulmates, having that one place where they felt like they were wanted, where they mattered. To see it fall is like hearing that a city burned down and hundreds are now homeless. It just freaking sucks.
Best part of this Carbot work is it keep being nostalgic at the same time not ignore the curremt state, it not pretend there is classic so it is all ok.
I’m in a guild for TBC classic. I am loving it again. I get this though. My vanilla TBC experience was some of the best gaming of my life. I’ll admit I’m guilty though. I leveled to 60 in classic, then my friend I was playing with faction swapped. So I did boost. Basic boost no mount. But still I did as I was pissed I literally got to 60 and then he swapped and found a guild, so I joined. But again, I’m enjoying leveling in TBC WAY more then Shadowlands. There’s a magic to TBC, an adventure and there are still lots of players who feel the same. Blizzard though, is shut.
My guild refused to move onto tbc because of the microtransaction. Not really a big deal as those guys have been playing classic for 10-12 years on private servers. And they are announcing to play on a pserver that is going to do a fresh launch soon.
everyone says " bububu ff14 has a moneyt store " yeah well ff14 ingame content isnt complete garbage the story is good and there are tons of secret mounts. they also will first release mounts in events then drop em on the shop once the event ends.
1 am in m y40s played at start. This video brought back the feelings i had and how great it was back then, actually having to chat to get groups, earning real gear that meant something , so many things . I miss that great game , played for many years but stopped , i now play ff14 and have done for a few years . It may not be as good as wow was back then , but it is so much better than modern wow
Right in the feels man. I've been playing FF14 for almost a month now and BDO for weeks before that. I haven't logged into WoW for any serious length of time in months. And now I feel bad because my friend who lost his hearing is alone in WoW.
2005 is when I started playing. Took breaks over the years. The last 10 years or so, I've met some of my best friends in the game (End of Cata). I was lucky enough to be able to continue my relationships with them. Legion was when I left the first time, came back end of BFA, and ended it all now in Shadowlands. The state of the game will never change as long as Ian is in charge of the game. The state of the game will never change as long as the culture is that of "We are the Devs, we know what you like". Carbot's is probably the perfect reflection on how players feel.
it aint just wow but it's litteral life. life use to be so fun and innocent back in the day but now it's so corupted and fucked up. insted of enjoying things we try to min max it. we are so overstimulated that we can't find enjoyment out of the simple things in life no more. depression among young people is higer than ever. and yeah i know min maxing has allways ben there to a degree but it was never like this and it was never full of computers that did it for you. back in the day part of the enjoyment out of min maxing was figuring out how to do so and trying diffrent stuff makeing it an adventure rather than computer data and a gear list
@@youtubeonly520 You can pinpoint tech events, sure, but the societal repercussions you're associating with them (which you've barely specified) are entirely subjective. Whose socialisation did the iPhone kill? Plenty of people still meet, hang out in real life. If anything, technology has made it easier to arrange. The vast majority of the workforce are not direct-to-consumer via the internet. Internet connectivity has universally improved almost every consumer service. The internet is not to blame for your misery. Outside still exists, and is waiting for you to drag your pathetic, neglected physiology for a visit.
@@Jytube231 You are being intentionally obtuse. This type of head in the sand mentality is how we are where we are. The Rothschilds are correct about people like you that's for sure. Naive.
I know the feeling you all had I played cod in my old gamecube when I was a kid to see how it is now the game just not the same any more. The new modern warframe was like a new cod taken it to a new places then cold war came out it just feels like a shambles scam didnt even get it you wow players your not alone Activision-Blizzard has change from making games for fun to pay to win. The gaming industry has change but we will always have the memories of the fun we had with our old games and the friends we made in the way even if we dont play any more.
The emotion in your face at the end of the animation. Past all the memes and being angry with blizzard and the salt and chat, it really shows just how much you care. Had Azmon not been streaming, would it be safe to wager he would be more emotional at the end?
He has actually expressed that he is more emotional due to streaming. If you look up the video "Asmongold Opens Up About His Streaming Anxiety" He talks about it there.
i feel the same way after 15 years in wow .... wow is my second home... so many good memories... but something is wrong and even if i love this game i can feel it in bottom of my heart... After years i find GW2 to be what i want wow to be ..... i find a new home and for the first time in years i feel like im going into adventure when i log on... i was trying so many games like aion, blade and souls, ff14, black desert, terra online, Dc universe online and many others but for now only GW 2 can make me stop thinking about wow XD im going to try the new patch and the next expansion and the next one after that.... simple bc of nostalgia
I think it hit home very well that logout screen. Most if not all of us understand that there will be a last time in our lives when we log out of World of Warcraft, and never play it again, there will be a last time you see your best friend, your mother and father, your significant other or your close relatives. There will be a last hug, a last look, a last text, and a last breath. We live only once.
I Feel like when the character is just laying in bed and asmon synchronizes the character: 'What Have I Done With My Life?' that might have actually happened with him. 😔
He does the character for enterteinment. He himself said he tries really hard every stream to be has entertaining has possible. What he says while on character are still his true feelings, he just acts overly energetic.
@@cattysplat Yep, exactly. Kinda feel bad for asmon. Im his age, married with 4 kids. I played wow alot too but not as much as him. His whole life has been wow.
Kinda feel like I'm glad to be a new player so I can experience all of this in classic for the first time, I've started makign friends, doing RFK and BFD for the first time just yesterday. I feel glad that I don't have to experience this crisis yet but this video makes me nostalgic and sad as someone who hasn't even experienced much of this at all :/
I miss seeing those machinima Michael Jackson night elf dance video skits but I am not complaining we dont see it anymore. Times of changed I enjoyed it for what it was but dont really care WoW doesnt have that ridiclous simple content creators would make to immerse yourself into the characters. The days of South Park joking about it are over and it is just a realization that wow is dying or already dead and there are better options for mmos nowadays tbh
When I watched this the first time it really hit me in the feels because it reminds us that no matter what you cannot relive your experiences you can only create new ones.
Ok tough love here: If you like not tryharding so much, found a guild with likeminded people. Judging by this comment section, they should be easy to find. And to think BC is somehow a completely different game because of a mount and level boost, give me a break. Its not just that. Its also that everyone is looking up quests on wowhead, widely available social channels outside of wow, lots of experienced players, the game being old, better other games etc. Yeah store mounts cheapen the game, but a lot of players are just endgame focused addicts who are no fun. Also, lol. Wow was all about money from the start. It was a cashsink for teenagers way back in 2004. Some would flunk school and literally cry in frustration how the game controlled their life. Someone I know even smashed their PC before Wrath came out. Oh but now suddenly its made for money? You're all forgetting what this game really was in the 2000s. A timegated, neverending timesink of 1000s of hours with a couple good minutes sprinkled in, for 13 of your parents bucks a month.
Saw this the other day and it made me sad too. I joined right before TBC just like you. Was a level 55 human warlock when it dropped. Never got to experience vanilla until classic and got to fulfill my childhood gaming dream of downing Onyxia and Ragnaros. But it’s so sad what WoW has become and how it lost all of its soul and everything that made it great compared to how it was in the true earlier Vanilla and TBC and even WOTLK days. I started playing when I was 11, I’m 27 now. Man those were some of the best gaming memories I’ve ever had as a kid growing up you can’t get that shit back.
It's genuinely like losing a loved one. It hurts so bad they need to stop the torment and let it die. Blizzard is not the same company it once was and I don't think current blizzard should even have the right to call world of warcraft their game
Started halfway through bc, I started as a dwarf. With the beautiful mountains of dun mourgh and iron forge. I loved the music the ambience and all the MANY dwarves and gnomes who shared adventures with me! I’ll always remember those early days when we were all noobs abs all enjoying/figuring the game out together
This is everything in life. nothing is ever the same as the first time you played and to try and find it again is just not going to happen, you got to find it in new things
Remember when everyone used to spam ''WoW KILLER'' when a new mmo was being released?
WoW killed itself, the irony
@@cattysplat Heed me... The subjects of a weak ruler must needs look to a higher power for providence...and their dependence comes at a cost to the realm.
The misguided elevate the frail... And the frail lead the people astray.
Unless a man of power wrests control...the cycle will never be broken.
You... You of all people must see the truth in this. You who have the strength to rule...
@@HoloSkull such devastation...was NOT my intention!
Greed
A legendary game that cannot be beat, will end up being its own worst enemy.
@@cattysplat But “no king rules forever”.
You cannot have monetization in a subscription based game. You have to pick one: either subscription and everything is included, or free to play with money from the in game store. That's it.
Hell, some MMOs manage even without making the choice. Wizard101 for example. Not often talked about but consistently alive and strong to this day since 2008. Still has a membership system and HELLA transactions in the game, but is still quite popular. Ultimately, it's about the devs making proper content or not. Despite how expensive it can get, no one can deny that the game is just fun to play, and that's what keeps players in. WoW has even lost the quality aspect of it nowadays.
FFXIV does it and people praise the hell out of that game.
The difference is what you get in the game feels worthwhile. A lot of the in game mounts are better and more unique than the store mounts. They don't promote them and they don't bribe players with them. They actually sell a lot more than WoW (storage space is particularly shitty).
FFXIV sells boosts and players are always telling people to not buy them - not because they're bad for the game but because the game is so good they'd be doing a disservice to themselves by skipping it. FFXIV feels like it's designed with the players in mind and boosts exist for those few people who have zero interest in the story because it does take a very long time.
@randomguy8196 See, I'm not so sure about that. They do have amazing story beats in there sometimes, and good characters that have developed over time, but putting them all together into one solid work requires that the story team and the gameplay team work together and have equal say over the long-term development of the game. I've played a lot of WoW, played through each expansion (save Shadowlands so far) multiple times, and there is some quality stuff to work with in each expansion that, after a while, they just....don't use.
So much time in AU Draenor, so much time building up a garrison, and players not only don't get a sendoff, the only players who even interact with that world again are those unlocked Mag'har Orcs, and that takes like five minutes with no exploration of wtf is going on. The Class Order Halls could've been the base for an AMAZING BFA experience - groups you worked with for an entire expansion suffering divides amongst its members from the new Horde/Alliance war and focusing on Azeroth's wounds instead (and the DK Order Hall prepping for Sylvanas to make a move, not knowing what's to come but Bolvar KNOWING she's going to try something). Not to mention how many story beats happen in the novels, comics, short stories, etc., outside of the game.
That's part of what drove me away from WoW - it's not a really bad story, it's an interesting world and story told very badly, and every expansion you can just see how much potential is just thrown away. At some point, you just...give up on expecting any developments that matter beyond the expansion you're in. Unless there's a dramatic shift in how the devs work, I can promise you this entire Shadowlands thing, the whole 'countless different afterlives', the lore about the cosmos you learn? Won't mean a thing in 10.0.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis no, it has far more player than it needs to support itself
but their shareholders got expections and if they don't they will lose those.
@@apharys8921 thats pure bs haha the store mounts in ff14 are the coolest mounts in the game, 8 man cyber whale? Yeah 33 bucks
The way Asmon's smile melts away when the friends start disappearing... the deep breathe in and sigh at the end... Carbot was too on point. Made it too real.
TotalBiscuit said it himself: "WoW is too big. There is no such thing as a WoW-killer. Only WoW can kill WoW."
Rest in Peace good sir. You and your wisdom will be sorely missed.
One of the first high profile players quitting over their dislike for the games direction I can remember. Used to love his WoW content and remember how angry he was they nerfed Cata heroics.
@@SamoIsKing
I remember feeling invigorated as a healer that Cata was making people pay attention to standing in fire.
It was ALMOST as good as TBC where you had to CC mobs in a dungeon.
Then they nerfed Cata dungeons. That was the start of my heartbreak.
Then they gave us Garrisons. As a lover of REAL housing, I never bothered with WoW again.
Garrisons made me realize there was something wrong with Blizzard developers. They were so out of touch with what players wanted, and it only got worse.
Almost got me there 😥
Called logic wasn't some Wiseman just like Zack.....
Wow died with him. Or the spirit rather
Vanilla WoW: "Remember us.... Remember that we once lived....."
"The rains of ceased, and we have been blessed with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it."
@UCx9IV6HYU7FniR1TfEDgKcg F*ck you, you reminded me how FFXIV made me cry for a bad guy.
@@SilverPrince_ An antagonist at best, a foil to the protagonist a least. I refuse to see them villians now.
A quote by a villain.....🥲🥲
WoW players switch to FFXIV: You will not end our journey.
Man. You could really tell how much Asmon enjoyed the start of the video, reliving those precious memories when he first started. He was genuinely beaming with joy. And the gradual sadness seeping in and finally the kicker when it ended.
This video hit me hard but the reactions from Asmon, hit me even harder.
There is about a 0% chance that the current staff at Blizzard can make a new MMO
Yep, even if DreamHeven of the other dudes make a new MMO, it would take years. How old are we going to be, they keep reliying on the old fans but more and more they are going away, while failing to bring new people.
They've been trying. Titanfall anyone? Overwatch was the leftover bits and art from that project. Compare the play loop of modern wow and say Diablo 3. Outside of the perspective, pretty similar. Run around, kill things, turn in quests. Hell, Diablo even gives you _more_ loot than WoW. They need to realize player feeling matters way more than the systems they create because system do not in of themselves provide player satisfaction.
@@chrisbaldwin8570 I honestly think the first thing we need to think about is how many players they can fit on screen and then come up with game designs within that limitation. Right now it seems like they're letting their creatives run loose and designing systems without thinking about the limitation or people involved.
Oh they can make one
It would be horrendous
let deathwing destory the whole game and make WOW:ARR X_X
Like the Romans did to Carthage so did Asmon salt his "land" so that nothing may ever grow again
underrated comment
What do you mean?
@@Contevent he means this 5:21
@@ix8750 My god.
I didn't even realize it was salt xD
Imagine not taking a bath for weeks and have salt in your head.
You can see the pain of 2004 Asmon peer through his eyes after 3:00
The players love this game far more than blizzard does.
You can almost hear the millions of people crying "What have they done to my childhood?!"
that look was a piece of his soul coming out of his eyes
It's as if companies had a tendency to exploit passion in order to maximize profits. Developpers and players get shafted.
@@ninjaman0003 lllp
When the Vietnan flashbacks hit hard.
Whenever I look back on wow, I don't remember the mounts or gear much, I remember the people and experience.
i have no clue what items i had in vanilla, but i memorized over 20 player names of my first guild in 2005..
@@Teramos yup, I remember the original guild I ran with. Super friendly. Back then people were more in the moment.
Blizzard died when Activision bought it. It's all Activision now. When WoW dies Blizzard will be absorbed and its cold corpse will be displayed for marketing shitty Activision games.
Let Blizzard go- just let it go...
@@Brakvash half the sexual harassment claims are from back then, rose tinted glasses turn everything brown
I remember playing for my first time with Mists of Pandaria. I just took a deep dive into the whole World of Warcraft universe and enjoyed every day.
I just love the questing, meeting people, ending up in dungeons together and then they asked if I wanted to join their guild.
We werent a big guild, we just enjoyed the days of playing together or just questing on our own while chatting. That experience had something magical... I miss them
That animation made me so incredibly sad. The fall of the greatest mmo of all time
The fall of the greatest game developer of all time
tbf, gaming industry in general is falling down in the last few years. no one takes any risks, they just sell you what is safe and makes money. it needs little developers to take risks and come up with new ideas, which the big companies just copy and make it better because they have more money.
i hate being a gamer nowadays, as a kid/teenager it was so awesome buying a new videogame and playing it nonstop, but now its just the same over and over again with different skins and more microtransactions.
but at the same time i wont stop playing videogames, because theres still the hope for something great coming. Larian Studios is the only developer i trust anymore. Bioware and Bethesda can redeem theirselves if they make their next games good.
oh yeah, i am talking purely about RPGs, because thats the only genre i am interested in. Rogue-likes/lites and other subgenres of rpgs are awesome too of course.
Classic and tbc was boring and shadowlands is boring maybe the game was never good just my hot take
@@lyuris277 Japan is shinning
@@asmoncat5049 yes true, square enix didnt disappoint me once! Except for Kingdom Hearts 3, it was a bit underwhelming. But thats just one of many games from them. 🥰
The music is so good. It fits the story so well. It's heartwarming and melancholy. Nostalgic and jaded. It sets the mood so perfectly.
What is that music ?
@@gabrielaleactus9932 I have no idea I'd like to know as well lol
@@gabrielaleactus9932 Hey if you're still searching it's Jukebox by Patrick Patrikios
It seems like all wow players are going through a mid-life crisis. And here is the harsh truth, Only if you let this game die will blizzard ever consider actually changing or even making a true sequel.
Or stop playing MMOs altogether
Well what asmon said is true i doubt that current blizz is able to make a good game.
@@siddharthbirdi is not only mmo warcraft and than wow. I grew up with the lore and story of this world. I still play warcraft 3 sometimes. Is a shame that they let this rich world that made the history of videogames in such a pityful state.
What "Blizzard"? Not the original dev team, they split some time ago. Party is over man, can't go back.
they will make a WOW for phones. Trust me
The stare, the silence, the sigh.
Yeah, that's how WoW feels now.
Fun Fact - Carbot legit added the Heart of the Aspects just for Asmongold
I adore carbot. It's saddening how true to form this video is. It is exactly how I felt the entire journey of wow from release day to shadowlands. Sadly its been killing itself for years, and one day even kings die.
"No King rules forever my son."
You can physically see asmon break character and see genuine sadness on his face at 3:04 when he presses "exit now"
This video is too real, breaks my heart. :(
Yep. That facial expression literally hit me in my heart
I laughed a couple of times at it but it must've be hysterical laughter.
He shut down hard for a good 10 seconds. Oof. He felt the pain we all felt when we watched this.
Totally aggreed.
That long sigh afterward too. It's like hes thinking he could or should do the same. To just move on.
There is no character, this is him.
Microtransactions were an after-thought in WoW just tacked on to an existing game. If they make a WoW 2 it will be built for them.
$3 to enter a LFG queue lmao
@@gmoney9469 Honestly, I foresee WoW 2 being more like what SWTOR became. So you can only do so many dungeons/raids a week then you have to buy a weekly pass to do extras. Be prepared to buy an unlock if you want to have more than 500 gold on your character and pay to buy an extra character slot. Parts of your UI are locked behind a paywall and exp is nerfed so you have to buy a boost if you don't want to end up underleveled. And Transmog? Oh yeah you're going to have to pay for an item to allow you to transmog one piece of gear.
people on the forums brought up this video and its literally just a thousand _the house on fire everything is fine_ meme style responses. you see shit talking and comments of "who is carbot?" and calling them a wanna-be influencer. its pretty hilarious how head in the sand people can be.
LMAO 'who is Carbot' what's next? 'Who's Asmon/Soda/Belluar/Method'? The sheer denial in those people...
Blizz managed to get pretty much every content creator aside from the biggest shills, AND start losing to FFXIV due ro content draught and those people still claim the game is fine and dandy.
Those people on the forums are the tanks queing up for random dungeons.
“Who’s carbot?” The dude who’s been featured in Blizzcon time and time again, who has his work all over Heroes of the Storm in emotes and icons that everybody uses and unified Blizz players with silly drawings about their games.
To know that there’s people asking that question is so annoying, trying to dismiss an independent creator that has achieved so much with a company he loves and still gets hurt when he sees it turn to ash. I know you’re not asking the question yourself, but I wish I could tell that to the mfs asking.
I posted something I found funny on the wow subreddit, it was an email I got for resubbing and the email said something along the lines of “welcome back nzoth is up to no good learn more” and I just jokingly stated they can’t even update their emails to current expansion much less release and update for the expansion itself. And everyone down voted it and we’re like “imagine being mad at an email” like holy shit the shills for this game are so blind it is honestly pathetic and this is why wow has gone to shit people blindly defend a horrible corporation that does not give two shits about them
@@lilbitsssss they're consooomers who just consoom current product and get excited to consoom next product
~6:55 “seeing real money in the game erodes the immersion experience.” Sad to watch the developers ruin a fresh start with classic/BC by repeating old mistakes
This is the reason why FFXIV store is not ingame. It's not that much better either because they have way more cash shop items too but at least you don't get confronted with a real-life currency in the game.
I dont think they are repeating mistakes. It's their intention, even their goal to put in MTX and thusfar it's working pretty well judging by the revenue numbers each quarter. Let's see how they did in Q2. I expect it to be even better than Q1.
Did you not see how players were boosting characters 6 months after classics launch? Did you not see the tons of bots in classic to the point you coldnt farm anything because ppl were buying gold by the ton?
OG Blizzard developed the greatest Meritocratic MMORPG ever made.
It's a shame that the game they created is now owned by a publicly traded company who's beholdent to their shareholders instead of their players... 😞
Fuck Activision
Blizzard Entertainment was acquired by Davidson & Associates in 1994, then CUC International in 1996, then Havas in 1998 which was then purchased by Vivendi Games that same year. It remained in the hands of Vivendi until July of 2008 when Vivendi Games was dissolved in the merger between Activision and Vivendi, and so Activision Blizzard is born. However, Vivendi remained the majority shareholders of ActiBlizz until July of 2013!
So unless you're talking about The Lost Vikings, Rock 'n Roll Racing or Blackthorne, all of Blizzard's games were made while owned by a parent company.
A large number of which are located inside communist China
@@Azhix This is what makes me so tired, for years people have defended Blizz for being retards, blaming it on shareholders. Ignoring shit like how Blizz pays their devs pennies and tons of talent having left, likely some we probably never heard of too since they likely got better deals elsewhere. You get what you pay for man.
it is a misconception, Activision was part of Blizzard far longer.. it just went downhill over the years because greed
I’m getting nostalgia for a game I haven’t even played for more than 1 hour.
Note to self, pouring salt ontop of your head can cause early baldness.
2:14 is when you can see Asmon feel the pain like all of us. Its okay man, I played wow during the gold years. We never knew it was the gold era.
About a month ago I permanently deleted my Blizzard account. I just got so tired of seeing my favorite games I grew up with being corrupted with greedy practices time after time. I know games need to make money, but not like this. The Blizzard I knew and loved is dead and I'm not going to sit here and watch it get worse over time. Instead I'm out, and I'll take all my good memories of being a kid playing Starcraft and Warcraft 3 with my friends and having fun with me.
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@@Sedona_FD3S World of Warcraft gacha game. :)
I did that a year and a half ago and honestly I don't miss it. There are so many good games out there made by companies that knows how to properly handle their customers.
I'm with you there. I submitted the GDPR request for my account, and about two weeks ago it was permanently deleted. Greed and rot has corrupted what was left of this company, and seeing esteemed figures like Jeff and Omar leaving halfway through their own projects was telling enough.
Starcraft? Plenty of other better options for RTS. Diablo? Nah, POE was the true heir to that franchise. Warcraft? Nah, I'll continue in XIV.
What's sad is... I didn't feel anything when I saw my account was gone. When my armory returned a 404 error. I felt nothing. The game had died within me long ago, and sunk cost was keeping me strung along hoping for something that was never gonna happen.
I did the same 2 years ago and I it's pretty sad that I did not think about creating a new account for any Blizzard game since ...
This is actually true story. I deleted my 70 warlock after our 2nd karazhan raid and quit the game after 10 years. It was nice guild good friends and great raids. But its just not what it used to be. It's not fun anymore for me. Everyone plays the game so competitive towards the end no one enjoys the journey anymore. It saddens me but life has to go on but wow is just a dead Game trying to get as much money as possible before it dies out.
Really doesn't help they've made the classic servers so casual. Professions are leveled too easily. Elite damage is like get hit by a wet noodle. And all the content is post nerf after the release of sunwell.
@@Pimula.Tsuchimi false
Yeah I was ready for BC, jumped right in there but eh. Boost everywhere. Wanna do DM? Boost! Wanna do Gnome? Boost! LF WC or SFK as alliance? Kek just boost!
I quit after reaching level 37.
Sure I found a group for some dungeons but it's not the same.
Everything has a pricetag now. Helping out of kindniss? Nah that shit is gone.
To bad really but it's just not for me anymore. Maybe I should try a private server...
@@MrTaylork1 wot? I was 25 when they first released original tbc. The numbers do not lie. Those cheese dick servers, not at all like what they were
@@Pimula.Tsuchimi its pre nerf
Asmon is not balding.
He is changing fur-armor for bone-armor!
then why is it getting lighter?
@@colaphoenix6849 chromed copper, baby
He shouldn't have rubbed all that salt into his head lol
boner armor gachiBASS
the salt he put on his head fucked him later on. He is balding cuz of blizzard!
Wow... This animation really hits hard. I only started wow at the end of BC, but I do know all of these things by proxy through family members and friends that used to play it at the time. I remember one christmas where my cousins were so hyped for the impending release of burning crusade, that it's all they talked about for the whole couple of days we were celebrating. Those were the good times when we still had reasons to be hyped for games, and games were made for gamers, not for investors and shareholders.
This actually made me cry.
All the friends I made in WoW. We started a guild. We raided. We were a part of each other's lives.
...everyone slowly started to quit until I was all by myself.... and one day I felt so alone I quit too.
5:29 that's the SEED, the source of Asmon's balding begins there
3:01 Asmongold gets stabbed in the soul.
The reason this animation makes me cry isn't why it's making most people cry though I guess it does relate in a way. The reason it makes me cry is when WoW came out the game that gave me all the same feelings as in this video minus the store mounts etc, is how everquest made me feel when its community died as WoW and lackluster expansions caused people to leave and eventually so did I. Everquest will all ways be my first MMO love warts and all.
I played Everquest as well. The community was amazing, and slowly my friends quit and started plying WOW. I eventually moved on to WoW myself when Burning Crusade launched, but I never felt the same way about WOW as I did with Everquest. I tried to find my EQ friends on WOW, but it wasn’t easy back then.
Same for me with Everquest 2. I assume I'm a good bit younger than you, I was still too little when EQ1 came out, so the 'big one' for me was Everquest 2.
I'm from Germany and no one here played EQ2, everyone was playing WoW, so I was looking for something different and more unique (to Germany, at least)
and found EQ2. I absolutely LOVED that game back in the day. It was hard, you could barely do any adventuring solo, the housing was great, there was a real
community spirit, people were nice to each other and there was real roleplaying going on in places....
hell, our guild leader turned her house into a giant bar and every evening at 8pm, she set her home to 'public access' so everyone could come to the bar,
drink beer and chat with each other. Man, those were just different times... the peak of MMORPGs, end of the 90s to mid-2000s.
Same way with every MMO we loved. I remember when WoW came out and all my friends quit Runescape for it. Then the game slowly went downhill. Then I joined WoW and played hardcore and the same thing happened. Then another game, and another game, and now I haven't found a new home in years. I miss those old days of having a game I couldn't wait to log into every day and friends from all over the world that I earned the respect of.
never has an mmo made me feel more alone than retail wow
@@sirachman bro it was the time and not the game. I played really shit mmorpgs with my friends back then and we had a blast.
"The guy there's been playing for 15 years and hates the game."
So... Asmongold.
He loves the game, just listened to a 40 min long video of him talking with FFXIV content creators/ ex WoW content creators.
thats everyone now. i dont know a single person that still plays WoW
This video honestly made me cry a little bit. Because I remember the incredible adventures and friends I made along the way, and to see them go as the game went on was so damn hard. I miss all my friends of old.
Classic was really great to play but I don’t feel that “classic-ness” in TBC...don’t know why? and I quit :(
Same man. I just don't feel it. I was so excited for TBC when it got announced. So sad.
You know why…. Blizzard added all this portal pass BS and other unnecessary things that ruined the experience
@@blackmechawsome yeah this is the obvious answer. Although imo, once 9.1 comes most of those people will be gone.
by the time i was 66 a week after launch, it seemed like everyone was already breaking into heroics. everyone was spamming dungeons instead of questing because thats the most efficient. dunno, didn't really feel like it used to, and the drive to keep up with everyone else so i didn't miss out on anything didn't feel good. i unsubbed, don't really have any interest in 9.1. honestly feels a bit sad, like closing a chapter in my life thats spanned 15 years.
@@lawlestest I'm sorry you're having these kind of experiences in TBC classic. I'm lvling at a slow pace and I'm having fun so far , always meeting friendly people or at least the majority of them. Hope you'll be more lucky in the future! take care!
It was not exactly WoW but a good amount of my best memories are from MMO's, the feeling you've playing with others is just so good. I honestly could never go back being a solo player it just makes playing 1000x harder
when they got the portal pass, my heart sunk and i got chills. RIP WoW
Im on one of the more populated realms and literally everyone has the collector’s edition mount lol
This animation video is a masterpiece. It's simple, it says it all, it touched the heart of all of us aged 25-30 that had WoW experience, and it makes you realise what might not have been clear or you've been blocking in your head this whole time. Time flies
The way asmon holding back his tears with eyes popping out.. He's thinking very deep.. starting at 3:00
Before I start... I know. I know, it's another "Hurr FFXIV" comment on an Asmon video. But, no man, I'm not here to sing the game's praises. I'm here to say, I felt this exact same loop, though for me it was less the Dark Portal Pass and more just the soullessness of how Blizzard presented BCC, the digital deluxe pack, and SL as a whole. I don't think microtransactions make a game inherently bad--I think they're an inherently bad practice because the overwhelming majority of companies are irresponsible with them, but a game can still be good in spite of their presence. My WoW guild in retail is empty. It's been empty since Warlords of Draenor. I'm only in it because I can't bring myself to put the final nail in 10+ years of seeing that tag under my name. My BC Classic guild is full of good people, but more and more I find myself thinking, "I could be in FF right now." and I log out. But every time I log in on FFXIV, I get that feeling the scene in Northshire conveys, my FC is always active, and it never feels like the cash shop's presence exists at the detriment of rewarding ingame activities. The dev team never comes off as feeling entitled to my subscription just by rote of being Square-Enix the way WoW's devs do.
So, no, I'm not gonna sit here like, "Hey guys you should totally play the weeb game." Because it's not for everyone. But fuck me running if WoW doesn't badly need a serious hit to its market share just to shake things up. I'm so tired, man. I'm so tired of seeing the game waste potential in the name of quarterly earnings reports, soothing bruised dev egos, and whatever the fuck they're doing in the story development office (cocaine, I assume). Blizz just sent me an email asking me to renew my sub and... I'm done, I think. Ion and Brack managed what no other development team has managed in my lifetime: I'm walking away from a game with so many things left on my checklist, because I just can't justify the time or meager financial expenditures when there's a whole other development team bending over backwards to justify both.
Was waiting for this. Right in the damned feels
I was hoping he'd marry that mage! My guildmate, a warrior, flew down to Florida to marry our other guildmate, a priest.
They quit after Legion, same time I did. I hope they're doing well.
That's honestly amazing, I hope they have a good thing going on.
L DG
Multiple people in my guild married, too.
Special callout to Janine and Jokob, if you see that I don't know if you are still a couple but I liked you a lot.
I met my now ex girlfriend on WoW back in Cata. Flew down to Georgia to be with her. Didn’t work out in the end but after I moved back up to NY, I went to a D&D session and met the woman who is now my wife lol
someone said that the day he poured that salt into his hair was the decline of his hair lol
2:13 the change in expression, god damn it, hits hard
Yeah, "damn"
I can tell the sadness in his eyes but he is trying so hard to maintain his character. It's somewhat hard to watch.
*smiles* "I like how they're stacked worse & worse every time, y'know? [folks start disappearing] ...damn."
That hit home.
It's so sad to see a game that has brought so many people together fall prey to development that's only about money and telling the player how to play the game.
I've never played these games, but I almost even shed a tear man.
You grow up, playing games with people. Wether its WOW, Halo, COD, etc...and then before you know it those people are gone.
And how desperately you want to go back because those were truly the happiest days of you're life.
I'm very envious of those that played during the game's prime, I only started in bfa :/ it gives me imposter syndrome sometimes because of how late I started.
It's always like this. I started in cata and we were called cata noob because we didn't play wotlk
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@@BoeufDaddy I remember seeing ads for Wrath and BC on TV when I was a kid, but because I was a dumb kid I didn't know it was a video game, I only knew my wii and Nintendo consoles.
The "other worldly" experience in those days must have been a magical time for those players, wish I was old enough at the time. Only cool community I was a part of from the start was Minecraft and honestly I don't regret those times at all, I still play it occasionally with my friends to this day, only on private realms though.
I can see wow was truly something special in those days, and they took what made it special and made it more like other games for the sake of monetization, and at the cost of it's community.
It’s like chasing a high you’ll never catch again. One day, you’ll just have to give up because it will never be the same.
...it's like that with a new shiny toy. The game hasn't changed, you did, you grew up lol.
It touched my heart, I still remember when I was little and played the classic back in 2004, meeting my real friends even if it's online... Knowing that many of them I will never be able to speak again because they died in the covid pandemic, God this video is very painful. I admit I cried
Never played wow. But I've had similar memories with another MMO I played. Yeah, it hurts. Good luck, mate.
"You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain"
I quit WoW this year. Best decision I've made in a while. Now I don't see Bobby Kotick with his slimy smile in my nightmares.
I felt more nostalgic than sad, I had so much fun and good times from vanilla to wotlk.
I met some of the best friends I ever had during those days and still see and talk with them often.
The Face of Asmongold when he realize the video is about his life.
I remember, in BC (since I started WoW when the expansion was released), I used to go to Stormwind or GoldShire and propose to help new people to lvl up and do their quests. Just to play and group with someone else. And it worked, there was always someone new to play with. Not only that, but most were pretty grateful for it.
I did that until WOTLK, that's when I stopped playing because my guild was disbanded.
I went back for BfA, and tried to do the same. No one answered. First because there was no one to answer most of the time, and then the few people who grouped with me were asses, just basically ordering me around as if I was their employee.
My wife and I both cried watching this video for the first time (The Carbots video). It was sooo true.. worst part is blizz wont understand what this video was about...
yeah man, i cried too, wow was truly a place where you would meet new people out of nowhere and become friends with them and go through hardships together whether that be ingame or irl through voice, but now its just stale, classic isnt even the same anymore with everyone just rushing to complete the content and the monitzation bs.
@@frostyisland5028 The times changed and Blizzard adjusted. Back in 2004 no one would consider buying a boost since $60 was far above what, at the time, WoW's demography could afford. We could barely scrap enough money from our parents to afford the sub lol If people buy it, it'll be there. It's simple.
Why? Lmfao it's just a game. Get over yourselves and grow up. Nothing will ever be the same from 10 years ago lol.
@@midnull6009 0/10 troll
@@Nayrock grown man and woman crying over a game...snowflakes. Go volunteer for red cross or drs without borders.
5:20 Asmon went from pouring salt in his hair over the principle of store mounts to being the 1st boosty boi in line for TBC boosts. Sadge.
man i miss those times when WoW was a world where poeple came together to hang out and do things together and not just a game to check things of a list...
Thats just the side affect of the internet.
...you know that there are places and things to do where people can come together besides internet? I mean that concept existed way before wow.
@@midnull6009 No shit. But the way it went down in WoW was a lot diffrent then real life activities.
I started around the same time as asmongold. This hit hard for me too, and I played with my family. I remember a good time was my mom would constantly farm those Naga in ashenvale because they dropped 23 copper, so she would constantly go back there and just farm them because she thought it was a lot. I remember joining a guild called "Clan of the Ghost Claw" and we made friends with one guy on there that had the "twig of the world tree" and I remember wanting it so much cause it looked so cool. Man those were the days.
WoW is a shell of it's former self. The exploration is gone, the wonder and magic are gone. It's all about end game now.
was just partied with a guy in Nagrand doing quests, and he says "idk why but horde go out of their way to kill me all the time"
I just respond "well you kinda deserve it with that store mount"
and I assume you spit on him
@Naveen KV Screw that weakass shit, even after they removed the /spit for my weakaura I'll do /point and /fart or something instead. Pay pigs should get what they deserve.
As much as gamers want to hate on Blizz and the gaming industry as a whole, gamers need to realize that companies keep doing these things because gamers keep buying them
It'd take so much solidarity to change things... For every one person who buys the store mounts and pets, Blizz can afford to lose several players who leave because of it.
@@karlrassmann4604 You may be right, but that doesn't mean you should give up trying.
At the very least you'll be able to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.
Eh. I know plenty of people that have quit and never started buying the new stuff.
It's other people who enjoy this that buys it. Blizzard has switched player bases it caters too.
It's why us complaining will.never work as we simply aren't who WoW is targeting.
@@jorencice it's a lot less other people who are buying it now though, and stockholders like profits, and it didn't work very well for Sony with Star Wars Galaxies, so you never know. Corporations have changed direction more than once before, in the past.
I'd be interested to know the atmosphere, thoughts going on inside the blizz HQ right now, especially seeing all their top content creators jumping ship or panning the game hard. I'm hoping this will shake the dev team up a little to put their resources into creating more content instead of meaningless systems.
the ones that remained that is, blizz is bleeing employees left and right, Jeff Kaplan was just the latest in a long list of senior devs that quit. i'd say they think they can win over the lost players in 9.1 that remains to be seen...
It would probably just a shot of a few tumbleweeds strolling through the offices.
"Especially seeing all their top content creators jumping ship or panning the game hard" bro this is how it's always been. Why should Blizzard react any differently?
I am pretty sure they keep convincing themselves that everything is ok, they find some good numbers to show to investors or upper management (if they even care) and find good excuses for the bad numbers. I've been in big corporations and you cannot imagine until you see it how people without talent or under-performers are able to do anything to keep their job. As Steve Jobs has said it - people with A performance tend to hire and work with other A performance people. When you get too many B performance people they tend to hire and work with C performance people so they can stand out. Blizzard has lost its best talent...
There is nothing to shake there. Vast majority of devs who made their best games have left, either recently or a long time ago. And the new team is probably working on WoW mobile, mobile MMOs make insane bank and sell well in China.
I missed WoW, but I had a lot of friends who loved it and have spent almost 20 years hearing about how fun the game is and good the story is, dozens of stories of people making friends, meeting soulmates, having that one place where they felt like they were wanted, where they mattered. To see it fall is like hearing that a city burned down and hundreds are now homeless. It just freaking sucks.
All stories have an end, but every end is the beginning of something new.
Sadge
Best part of this Carbot work is it keep being nostalgic at the same time not ignore the curremt state, it not pretend there is classic so it is all ok.
I’m in a guild for TBC classic. I am loving it again. I get this though. My vanilla TBC experience was some of the best gaming of my life. I’ll admit I’m guilty though. I leveled to 60 in classic, then my friend I was playing with faction swapped. So I did boost. Basic boost no mount. But still I did as I was pissed I literally got to 60 and then he swapped and found a guild, so I joined. But again, I’m enjoying leveling in TBC WAY more then Shadowlands. There’s a magic to TBC, an adventure and there are still lots of players who feel the same. Blizzard though, is shut.
My guild refused to move onto tbc because of the microtransaction.
Not really a big deal as those guys have been playing classic for 10-12 years on private servers. And they are announcing to play on a pserver that is going to do a fresh launch soon.
another thing you looked over.. read all the signs at the end, around the portal pass stand
Never played WoW but I can feel the sadness just by the vid and reactions.
everyone says " bububu ff14 has a moneyt store " yeah well ff14 ingame content isnt complete garbage the story is good and there are tons of secret mounts. they also will first release mounts in events then drop em on the shop once the event ends.
Dont forget that those are 1 year later and if they dont maybe the event will come back like the ff15 mount
There's no better example for the term "Sitting on their laurels" than Blizzard
2:16 You can literally see something dying inside Asmon when he sees people starting to abandon wow
As we dream and as we grow. We have to learn to let things go.
how about : " its not sad that he is alone "but " he is stupid because he stay "
1 am in m y40s played at start. This video brought back the feelings i had and how great it was back then, actually having to chat to get groups, earning real gear that meant something , so many things . I miss that great game , played for many years but stopped , i now play ff14 and have done for a few years . It may not be as good as wow was back then , but it is so much better than modern wow
Right in the feels man.
I've been playing FF14 for almost a month now and BDO for weeks before that. I haven't logged into WoW for any serious length of time in months. And now I feel bad because my friend who lost his hearing is alone in WoW.
bro that kicked me right in the feels
Dude this video literally almost made me cry bro. It is so accurate..
CarBot did D2 as well and they are funny, accurate and nostalgic. They do really good work!!
2005 is when I started playing. Took breaks over the years. The last 10 years or so, I've met some of my best friends in the game (End of Cata). I was lucky enough to be able to continue my relationships with them. Legion was when I left the first time, came back end of BFA, and ended it all now in Shadowlands. The state of the game will never change as long as Ian is in charge of the game. The state of the game will never change as long as the culture is that of "We are the Devs, we know what you like". Carbot's is probably the perfect reflection on how players feel.
it aint just wow but it's litteral life. life use to be so fun and innocent back in the day but now it's so corupted and fucked up. insted of enjoying things we try to min max it. we are so overstimulated that we can't find enjoyment out of the simple things in life no more. depression among young people is higer than ever. and yeah i know min maxing has allways ben there to a degree but it was never like this and it was never full of computers that did it for you. back in the day part of the enjoyment out of min maxing was figuring out how to do so and trying diffrent stuff makeing it an adventure rather than computer data and a gear list
I came here to watch the bald man react to stuff, not cry and feel depressed :(
The industry and society doesn't even remotely resemble anything back from 2004. The unfortunate truth
This is literally just growing up. Games are easier to enjoy as a kid with fuck-all responsibilities or real-life concerns.
@@youtubeonly520 You can pinpoint tech events, sure, but the societal repercussions you're associating with them (which you've barely specified) are entirely subjective.
Whose socialisation did the iPhone kill? Plenty of people still meet, hang out in real life. If anything, technology has made it easier to arrange.
The vast majority of the workforce are not direct-to-consumer via the internet. Internet connectivity has universally improved almost every consumer service.
The internet is not to blame for your misery. Outside still exists, and is waiting for you to drag your pathetic, neglected physiology for a visit.
@@Jytube231 You are being intentionally obtuse. This type of head in the sand mentality is how we are where we are. The Rothschilds are correct about people like you that's for sure. Naive.
I know the feeling you all had I played cod in my old gamecube when I was a kid to see how it is now the game just not the same any more. The new modern warframe was like a new cod taken it to a new places then cold war came out it just feels like a shambles scam didnt even get it you wow players your not alone Activision-Blizzard has change from making games for fun to pay to win. The gaming industry has change but we will always have the memories of the fun we had with our old games and the friends we made in the way even if we dont play any more.
The emotion in your face at the end of the animation. Past all the memes and being angry with blizzard and the salt and chat, it really shows just how much you care. Had Azmon not been streaming, would it be safe to wager he would be more emotional at the end?
He has actually expressed that he is more emotional due to streaming. If you look up the video "Asmongold Opens Up About His Streaming Anxiety" He talks about it there.
No micro transactions was a classic vanilla feature
They don't need to make a new game. They need to get some integrity
5:30 Asmon salting his hair
*SCALP WILL REMEMBER THIS*
i feel the same way after 15 years in wow .... wow is my second home... so many good memories... but something is wrong and even if i love this game i can feel it in bottom of my heart... After years i find GW2 to be what i want wow to be ..... i find a new home and for the first time in years i feel like im going into adventure when i log on... i was trying so many games like aion, blade and souls, ff14, black desert, terra online, Dc universe online and many others but for now only GW 2 can make me stop thinking about wow XD im going to try the new patch and the next expansion and the next one after that.... simple bc of nostalgia
I think it hit home very well that logout screen. Most if not all of us understand that there will be a last time in our lives when we log out of World of Warcraft, and never play it again, there will be a last time you see your best friend, your mother and father, your significant other or your close relatives. There will be a last hug, a last look, a last text, and a last breath. We live only once.
I Feel like when the character is just laying in bed and asmon synchronizes the character: 'What Have I Done With My Life?' that might have actually happened with him. 😔
eh he makes a lot of money off wow lol. He will be all right
He does the character for enterteinment. He himself said he tries really hard every stream to be has entertaining has possible. What he says while on character are still his true feelings, he just acts overly energetic.
@@paulgotik yeah still somehow for siting in my gaming chair and talking for a camera for thousands dollars makes it feel worth the depression.
@@cattysplat Yep, exactly. Kinda feel bad for asmon. Im his age, married with 4 kids. I played wow alot too but not as much as him. His whole life has been wow.
@@MrMrTravman "married with 4 kids", suddenly playing wow and being a millionaire with no wife and kid sounds awesome man!
Kinda feel like I'm glad to be a new player so I can experience all of this in classic for the first time, I've started makign friends, doing RFK and BFD for the first time just yesterday.
I feel glad that I don't have to experience this crisis yet but this video makes me nostalgic and sad as someone who hasn't even experienced much of this at all :/
I miss seeing those machinima Michael Jackson night elf dance video skits but I am not complaining we dont see it anymore. Times of changed I enjoyed it for what it was but dont really care WoW doesnt have that ridiclous simple content creators would make to immerse yourself into the characters. The days of South Park joking about it are over and it is just a realization that wow is dying or already dead and there are better options for mmos nowadays tbh
When I watched this the first time it really hit me in the feels because it reminds us that no matter what you cannot relive your experiences you can only create new ones.
Ok tough love here: If you like not tryharding so much, found a guild with likeminded people. Judging by this comment section, they should be easy to find.
And to think BC is somehow a completely different game because of a mount and level boost, give me a break. Its not just that. Its also that everyone is looking up quests on wowhead, widely available social channels outside of wow, lots of experienced players, the game being old, better other games etc. Yeah store mounts cheapen the game, but a lot of players are just endgame focused addicts who are no fun.
Also, lol. Wow was all about money from the start. It was a cashsink for teenagers way back in 2004. Some would flunk school and literally cry in frustration how the game controlled their life. Someone I know even smashed their PC before Wrath came out. Oh but now suddenly its made for money? You're all forgetting what this game really was in the 2000s. A timegated, neverending timesink of 1000s of hours with a couple good minutes sprinkled in, for 13 of your parents bucks a month.
Pretty much.
5:30 That's how Asmon lost his hair. He pour salt over his scalp and the hair follicles stop spawning.
This was acctually sad. Felt this deep in the feels. Depressing
Saw this the other day and it made me sad too. I joined right before TBC just like you. Was a level 55 human warlock when it dropped. Never got to experience vanilla until classic and got to fulfill my childhood gaming dream of downing Onyxia and Ragnaros. But it’s so sad what WoW has become and how it lost all of its soul and everything that made it great compared to how it was in the true earlier Vanilla and TBC and even WOTLK days. I started playing when I was 11, I’m 27 now. Man those were some of the best gaming memories I’ve ever had as a kid growing up you can’t get that shit back.
It's genuinely like losing a loved one. It hurts so bad they need to stop the torment and let it die. Blizzard is not the same company it once was and I don't think current blizzard should even have the right to call world of warcraft their game
Started halfway through bc, I started as a dwarf. With the beautiful mountains of dun mourgh and iron forge. I loved the music the ambience and all the MANY dwarves and gnomes who shared adventures with me! I’ll always remember those early days when we were all noobs abs all enjoying/figuring the game out together
not gonna lie, watching that shit is lowkey heart breaking
This is everything in life. nothing is ever the same as the first time you played and to try and find it again is just not going to happen, you got to find it in new things