@@007Tembu So you saying those emulators (example; PPSSPP or Citra) are the ARM version??? Either way...M1 emulate x86 an "PPSSPP" (x86) still needs optimization.
@@patricklasko1360 I dont remember if the emulators like PPSSPP and citra got an update for arm CPUs . But it they didnt the game is being emulated in an emulator which is also being emulated by Rosetta.
Rosetta 2 is converting the x86 to ARM and then storing it so it doesn't have to convert it again. I am glad it is working this well. The first rosetta that converted powerPC to x86 was a dumpster fire.
@@HeyImGaminOverHere what makes 2 so much better than 1 is the fact the ARM has the same Endianness as x86 PowerPC was Big Endian whereas Aarch64 and x86_64 are little Endian
@@camthesaxman3387 yeah someone just needs to port the Aarch64 stuff from those emulators Android ports to the Mac someone already did this for dolphin (cannot recall if it got it's pull request put into dolphins main branch)
@@SproutyPottedPlant yes! God I really wish PC would also slowly migrate to ARM, it feels obnoxious sometimes when all our products starts to be more environmentally conscious and our gaming PC still runs at 400-500Watts of power. I don't think we can optimize x86 for better powersipping, meanwhile I also wants a laptop that last days and not hours, one that I can run games without killing it in one hour...
@@EmuNext Does rosetta do the translation just in time, or ahead of time? Anyway, modern emulators usually contain a translation module with a JIT compiler, so there is still an ARM to x86 to ARM translation.
It’s showing early promise. It now comes to devs to optimize programs for the new hardware. However, give it two years and Apple Silicon will be a major contender in terms of power and efficiency.
@@sircampbelltenson7297 you do realise its meant to be a really thin and light laptop right? upgradability is always compromised in these types of devices.
@@festive5476 A "Pro" grade device that has a maximum of 16GB of RAM from the manufacturer NEEDS upgradability mate, especially on something so new thats never really been done before (Let's just imagine surface RT didn't exist, it shouldn't have done anyway) since it'll be at a performance defecit due to the lack of optimisation through trial and error.
Using Mono Sound Settings in Game On The PS1 Games Can Give a Frame Rate Boost. If Cue Files Are Missing Use The Duckstation Cue Maker SixtyForce (N64) And PPSSPP Standalone Can Be Used if Your Open Emu Is Not Up To Date. In Sixty Force Turn ON High Resolution Rendering In Graphics. Make Sure To Turn Of Copy To Game Library Folder if Running From External Storage. ( Open Emu ) For Flycast and Sixty Force mac/pc some controllers are going to require you to map the keyboard to the controller with another app like Enjoyable. For Some Controllers Set analog Stick To Dpad. For Other Controllers Set Home button For Analog.
"Next we move onto the subject known as ETA Prime, who has Compulsive Retro Emulation Disorder. He's currently making a video for the UA-cam where he compares the RetroArch performance of his new smart toaster versus his friend's home security system..."
The performance was spectacular even though there were literally 2 layers of emulation. Can't wait for " bare metal " performance test. Seriously speaking; Running games in Dolphin at 4k res which is also being emulated under x86 Rosetta layer. That's epic! Imagine what the m1 chip will do when running emulators natively....
I was undecided on whether to buy a gaming laptop or the new Macbook Air releasing next month. I don't really need the most recent gaming on a laptop as I have my PS5 for that purpose, but emulation of retro consoles on a laptop is something I am very interested in. Seeing this video today and the outstanding Dolphin performance I am definitely going to buy the Macbook Air M2 next month.
@@PatrickLofstrom that's actually what emulation is. anytime you emulate something you can choose between interpretation or binary translation. but still that's what emulation is. most of emulators work like that.
We need to go deeper. Can we run a game on a mac os 9 emulator on an amiga emulator running on a x64 virtual machine running in emulation mode running in rosetta 2 "emulation" on a Apple M1?
The M1 is *not* a standard implementation of ARM. All of the different manufacturers have slightly different architecture. The M1 is even differs from the A14 in that the M1 has dedicated instructions for some harder to emulate Intel x86 instructions, for example memory control. That's why Rosetta 2 works so well, it's part of the M1.
Would honestly love to see a video of you setting the Emulators up. Maybe there is an older video of you doing this on MacOS, but would be nice to see with Big Sur and the M1.
And here I am having trouble with Dolphin on my Zen+ 2500u laptop. Usually Apple makes overpriced stuff but this time, they're like 4 generations ahead of the competition.
I have a laptop with 2500u and... yeah is not the best, but the 4500u is amazing, it can even run things like cemu mk8 at 60fps (some stuttering but still great though). Still, for mobile this ARM powerful chips are the future, and qualcomm and other companies are planning using the new cortex a78c and cortex x1 chips that in theory would be in the same range of performance per watt than apple M1's.... (the cortex x1 will be in smartphones but the a78c will be on laptop and big tablets!).
Should've tested the iPad version of Dolphin to see native ARM performance. Also, in Dolphin, you don't have to stop emulation to change the internal resolution; it applies on the fly.
As good as Universal apps, I think it'll fail big time.. Reason because everyone is in everything for profit... If you suddenly go from 3 apps down to 1, and it happens to be a paid app (you'll loose the profit from the others) Even worse when the app is "free, but with in-app purchases" I just don't see developers getting on board. And if someone charges more to make up the difference, that'll be a read-hearing as price always was..
@@Tech-geeky Ehh, depends on developer. A good number of apps have switched to “Buy once, use on any device” if you authenticate with your AppleID, kind of like Steam. And the more companies that offer that will be getting sales from more people. Better to lose 2 sales and keep one than to lose all 3.
@@johnbuscher Universal apps i still reckon are an exception because unlike Steam and others it HASN'T taken off.. (as yet) Wait till it happens, then come back, but at this point i do not see any proof for Universal apps will be big, until it happens. IF it happens. Apple wants everything they do to take off, but reality shows otherwise. For instance, if Bit-coin took off every merchant would be using it.. like Mastercard/Visa..
Mac version of Citra broken once you have run a game, you need to disable disk shader cache. Everything works after that. It's why no game would open for you.
I’m seeing something weird in Redream, so wondering if you or anyone might know what’s going on. It SEEMS that anytime there’s any loading of (what I think is) an audio stream, there’s some stutter. Take Shenmue for example. Start of the game, Ryo arrives home. Walks to the main entrance. The very moment the camera angle cuts to the carp, the game stutters. The very next camera angle, he speaks with Inesan. This seems to happen a lot to me. Other games too, but thought Shenmue was a good consistent one to mention.
I’m excited for the 2021 and 2022 MacBooks. If these early models are this smooth, they will fly once devs can optimize software and Apple can better tune the hardware.
@@kevindie well, other companies *exist* too. And Hackintosh on ARM will now be a high priority subject, and since so many ARM hased devices are available lying around, someone will surely figure out something.
I still say "what kind of app NEEDS a M2 processor?" Everyone wants faster speeds but don't we think an M1 is "fast enough" I mean, it has 8-cores for crying out loud. What can you improve it with for anything but graphics/video/photo editing etc?
Yeah, I remember trying to emulate on Macintosh and the apps run into a lot more problems. Whereas the Windows based apps gave me little to no issues. It's nice to know it can emulate, but I wouldn't get a Macintosh expecting it to be better at emulation than what's already out there.
I just spent a hell of a lazy day playing a bunch of Mario Kart, Mario Party, New Super Mario Bros Wii...as well as a bit of Everspace and Tomb Raider. On my Mac. I'm living inside of a dream right now!
the more i see about this chip, the more I'm stunned about the performance. And remember this is an "entry-evel" chip (I mean, according to Apple, not according to the price). I am more a PC/Linux guy, but I really want to try the Apple way with this chip
Try and remember, this is basically a phone SOC in a laptop case, with better cooling. All of these can run fine on top-end phones so honestly, this is about as good as I expected. The reason the X86 stuff works so well is there is actually special hardware to perform the slowest X86 tasks to emulate in hardware, like the X86 memory map. M1 only partially emulates X86, the hardest to perform and slowest of the X86 functions to emulate on ARM CPUs are actually fully implemented in hardware. You can think of this as more of a hybrid approach. it's nice and all, don't get me wrong, but further segregating the market isn't going to bode well for MAC users who also want to do things like game. MAC support is already abysmal and now that they would have to support a whole different CPU architecture, it will be worse still. Emulation is mostly open source these days so that will be the best supported because it will be the community that makes those things work well. It's a tough call here, apple is about the only company out there that could pull this off because they are already very used to little walled gardens and just ignoring the rest of the whole of computing in favor of their own ecosystem and they have the customers who are willing to accept those limitations for the status/clout they perceive owning a massively overpriced apple product gives. I can't say if I think PCs can or would go arm or anything but I wouldn't be upset with a move to something like RiscV +. Open source and freely available to all. I guess time will tell but apple is so separated from normal computing, in general, I don't think this M1/ARM move will really make much of a difference anytime soon to the whole of computing in general. But that's just my two cents.
do you have a source in regards to Apple implementing hardware features to support x86 code? This would make sense and find this very intriguing but I can’t find anything on the net about it...
I don't think people really understand just how strong this chip is. First of all it has this nice architecture thanks to it being an SoC, so it has unified memory with CPU/GPU and a LOT of cache which hides the latency to main memory. But the actual star of the show are the high performance cores which at 3.2Ghz get similar ST scores to a Zen 3 5950x which runs at 5Ghz. You do the math. I am not even beginning the discussion of power efficiency. It is a great chip and while I am not an apple fan and their products, technically M1 is a masterpiece.
Hello! I tend to watch a lot of your videos, i always watch on my Nvidia Shield on the TV, so, commenting is not really something i can do there. But today i wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into making these videos. I know capturing all this footage and editing it is quite a bit of work, so much appreciated. I’m pretty interested in these M1 Macs, i already have a 16 inch MacBook Pro, so, I’m thinking of the Air as a more portable take anywhere device.
For bonus points, the Gamecube and Wii are actually running on Power PC. So with a little imagination one could argue that it is running Rosetta 1 inside of Rosetta 2....
I love how Gamecube emulation is essentially becoming commonplace like N64 emulation, pretty much all modern laptops can do it. The raspberry pi 5 will be incredibly exciting for stuff like this. Personally I will be a thinkpad user for the foreseeable future due to ports, upgradability, and pricing, but what Apple is doing is exciting for the laptop industry nonetheless. I hope one day Apple will put hdmi/usb A on at least their "Pro" line, and don't make it super expensive to get 16gb of RAM, and perhaps have some kind of at least storage upgradability.
It would be interesting to see Parallels Windows 10 PC gaming on an M2X or even M3X machines, especially when PCs overall have probably moved to arm based processors by then - that means devs would have to make their games optimized for Arm. By then, kind of wonder, besides extra optimization, wouldn't it be better overall just to focus resources in making PC games for Windows instead of also have it natively run on Macs?
I want to see QEMU running windows! The thing to remember about the M1 Macs is these were slotted into the entry level models price points for Apple. These are 10 Watt parts!
I tried UTM... and it suxed :P Biggest piece of crap i tried using..... Then again, I was attempting to install an x86 OS on it... No point in UTM able to listing x86/x64 architecture in the GUI it is wasn't possible.... Now i'm thinking that is probably why they only list Windows 7 and XP on their website.. opps..
first time watching your video in my search of reasons to buy a M1 mac. this dude has amazing soothing voiceover (and he dont shout on the mic into my ears unlike other youtube gamers / reviewers)
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I'm considering possibly getting an m1 laptop after swearing off Mac a few years ago. Should see really impressive emulation improvements when arm builds come out... 20-50% improvements.
As a mac user, I'd be careful with your choice coming from this video. The concept going ahead with running these chips is the eco system being more locked down so it may end up getting harder to get such applications onto the OS further down the line.
@@iWadey that was one of my concerns was that they'd go store apps only. I'm slightly less, though still, concerned about boot OS alternatives. My main needs are Docker and VS Code. Though docker on arm is less mature.
I'd say it's more than pretty good myself. x86 emulation on arm has been pretty much garbage up to this point so to see that kind of performance is really impressive to me. Particularly given the low power usage involved.
The PSP is built on an ARM architecture, so emulators in the future should run even better. Now it is translated to Intel code and then back to ARM, if I'm not mistaken.
just an fyi, Rosetta is not an emulator, its a translation layer, pretty sure if Rosetta was an emulator, you wouldn't get anywhere close to this performance
Awesome video!!! Emulating Wii or Dreamcast and using about as much power as a Wii or Dreamcast! Do you think next time they will put Mac Mini in the keyboard like a Pi 400?
Is ps2 emulation possible on a air m1? I can get at the end of the year a m1 of possibly an m2 macbook air. I wanted to play some gran turismo 3 + 4. I am very interrested in this!
PPSSPP does work on m1. You just need to go through the homebrew install steps in terminal with a command switxh that forces them to use x64 versions instead of arm (since terminal itself is now an arm app)
I've tried running UTM, but back then i didn't have ARM version of Windows.. Knowing x86 architecture existed as an option in the pick-list, I choose THAT thinking it would work, but it crashed on boot Now i release, just like Parallels which runs on Intel as well, the exception is what the "chip" can support. eg, Parallels only runs Windows 10 on M! because of the version being used.. Which i knew that back then... but that's one reason why i returned my M1.. The other being, MS is not gonna do ARM version of ESXi and server systems.
I am impressed I am into old school games and emulators too! I have MacBook Pro 13 2011 model that I been using for emulators and also fixing iPhones and iPads.
well, until then there is Intel The problem seems to be we are looking for one system for everything... while Performance sticks always The cycle will repeat again in a few years will we all "find way to slow down an 8-core system"
*Rendering tests in Cinebench R15 and R20.* *PS2: Shadow of the colossus, Final fantasy: Dirge of Cerberus, NFS Most wanted, Test drive unlimited.* *Game Cube: Zelda twilight princess, Metroid Prime, Resident evil 4, R racing evolution.* *Sega Dream Cast: 24 Hours of Le Mans, Shenmue II, Dead or alive II, Resident Evil Code Veronica.* Greetings from Germany!
This video just make my day so awesome.. Best emulator channel really.. can u please try cemu & yuzu.. I guess it won't work but if it does.. it is going to be super duper awesome..!
One of yo buddies will definitely has or will have a samsung smart fridge . ETA will test emulation it too.. I not into retro games or emulation but I love to watch you videos and wait for each of em . Love from india
You can run PPSSPP windows version with Crossover and Vulkan API. Dx11 will crash. It handle Chains of Olympus 8x upscale with ease :D. Only problem is I can't map my gamepad, have to use keyboard instead
I'd like to see android emulation on this! Specifically somethings like Bluestacks & Nox! Also, if there are any demanding iOS/iPad OS games that have been specifically ported to take advantage of this M1 Mac, then that'd be phenomenal to see! Lastly, how does it compare to this year's iPad lineup (including the 2020 Pro & Air 4) in regards to benchmark scores? Thanks! 🙂
Some emulators, like Citra, Mupen64Next, Dolphin... PPSSPP a lot of them, do support arm64/aarch64, why don't you try to compile one yourself? PPSSPP is well supported by community, fast to compile, and a super duper choice.
Btw Rosetta is NOT emulation it's is translation so nothing is actively being emulated. (Also I am making a Mac focused version of Citra with Apple Silicon Support and a Vulkan Hardware render called Zinc for those interested)
if you would be so kind as to let me know if this video is accurate compared to the 2021 iMac M1 model. it's what I currently bought thinking it was super powerful, but almost no steam games will run. And no switch emulator. I'm wondering about the emulators you have included in this video :D
I’m stunned. On my 2016 15” MBP with RX460 4GB it cant run F Zero GX at 1080p 60fps. I have boot camp to run the windows version to get that sort of performance. 4K is impossible. M1 just started and it emulating within Rosetta is bonkers. *slow clap*
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There is a native ps2 emulator for m1 out called "AetherSX2". Works really smooth in 3x resolution
"Before using it" Wow you have really, really nice friends...
The friend part is an excuse. He doesn't want us to know he bought an Apple product.
Well, you wouldn't want to setup all your info, then lend it, with your data
Well that's true...
That's true love
lol.. my friends wouldn't let me do that.
Now see this video right here? This is the one Apple M1 Chip video I've been waiting for. :D
Hey! It's Shane lmaoooo
Apple sucks...dont do reviews on apple please
Retro Man thank you for the evidence saying that apple sucks 😌
We miss you Shane
Same.
To Apple's credit, getting x86 games to run at native speed is absolutely insane.
Those aren't x86 games, they are mostly made for arm devices (handheld consoles),etc.
Those are being emulated using emulators.
@@007Tembu ETA explicitly mentioned that the emulators being used are for x86.
@@blakegriplingph But still they are being emulated, not run natively.
@@007Tembu So you saying those emulators (example; PPSSPP or Citra) are the ARM version???
Either way...M1 emulate x86 an "PPSSPP" (x86) still needs optimization.
@@patricklasko1360 I dont remember if the emulators like PPSSPP and citra got an update for arm CPUs .
But it they didnt the game is being emulated in an emulator which is also being emulated by Rosetta.
You forgot to say, that when the emulators will be ported to arm64 natively, it will start working even 20% more faster.
25% I think, it is 80% now.
Rosetta 2 is converting the x86 to ARM and then storing it so it doesn't have to convert it again. I am glad it is working this well. The first rosetta that converted powerPC to x86 was a dumpster fire.
@@HeyImGaminOverHere it "worked" for simple productivity apps and that was about it
@@HeyImGaminOverHere what makes 2 so much better than 1 is the fact the ARM has the same Endianness as x86 PowerPC was Big Endian whereas Aarch64 and x86_64 are little Endian
@@camthesaxman3387 yeah someone just needs to port the Aarch64 stuff from those emulators Android ports to the Mac someone already did this for dolphin (cannot recall if it got it's pull request put into dolphins main branch)
That processor is no joke. It ran Dolphin with such low clock speed? What the hell? What kind of sorcery is this?
I guess its like iPad, it’s stupid fast compared to other machines but now unlocked !
@@SproutyPottedPlant yes! God I really wish PC would also slowly migrate to ARM, it feels obnoxious sometimes when all our products starts to be more environmentally conscious and our gaming PC still runs at 400-500Watts of power. I don't think we can optimize x86 for better powersipping, meanwhile I also wants a laptop that last days and not hours, one that I can run games without killing it in one hour...
@@MrWillypanda88 I don't want PCs to run ARM because that will kill many decades of software.
@@saricubra2867 but they can work on translation layers/emulators for that
@@MrWillypanda88 There will be issues and a perfomance loss, unless you copy the instruction set and add that to the processor.
LOL running citra on the M1 is ARM emulation on x86 emulation on ARM
Inception
Yo, dawg
@@EmuNext Does rosetta do the translation just in time, or ahead of time?
Anyway, modern emulators usually contain a translation module with a JIT compiler, so there is still an ARM to x86 to ARM translation.
These are not x86 emulators...
@@EmuNext this is exactly what a dynamic recompilation is. so rosetta is basically an emulator..
I had my reservations on m1 and Rosetta 2, but seeing this is reassuring. Hopefully other major companies take note and start investing in arm support
I can't believe it's pulling off 4k Wii emulation... being under x86 emulation itself. Wow.
I'm guessing the benefits of being able to integrate EVERYTHING (including the RAM) into one bespoke package is showing its benefits.
It’s showing early promise. It now comes to devs to optimize programs for the new hardware.
However, give it two years and Apple Silicon will be a major contender in terms of power and efficiency.
Yeah and it let's apple remove even more upgradability!
@@sircampbelltenson7297 you do realise its meant to be a really thin and light laptop right? upgradability is always compromised in these types of devices.
@@festive5476 A "Pro" grade device that has a maximum of 16GB of RAM from the manufacturer NEEDS upgradability mate, especially on something so new thats never really been done before (Let's just imagine surface RT didn't exist, it shouldn't have done anyway) since it'll be at a performance defecit due to the lack of optimisation through trial and error.
@@sircampbelltenson7297 fair point, but personally this doesn't affect me. If I wanted upgradability I would get a windows laptop or desktop.
Rosetta 2 actually uses binary translation, not emulation, which is why it's so much faster than what you'd expect from traditional emulation.
Those used to the first Rosetta from Power-PC/Intel would be used to the 2nd iteration now
Using Mono Sound Settings in Game On The PS1 Games Can Give a Frame Rate Boost.
If Cue Files Are Missing Use The Duckstation Cue Maker
SixtyForce (N64) And PPSSPP Standalone Can Be Used if Your Open Emu Is Not Up To Date.
In Sixty Force Turn ON High Resolution Rendering In Graphics.
Make Sure To Turn Of Copy To Game Library Folder if Running From External Storage. ( Open Emu )
For Flycast and Sixty Force mac/pc some controllers are going to require you to map the keyboard to the controller with another app like Enjoyable.
For Some Controllers Set analog Stick To Dpad.
For Other Controllers Set Home button For Analog.
Amazing that all that is happening at 10watts of power !
When people figure out a way to create compatible native cores the improved in performance would be amazing!
*improvement
*will be
"Next we move onto the subject known as ETA Prime, who has Compulsive Retro Emulation Disorder. He's currently making a video for the UA-cam where he compares the RetroArch performance of his new smart toaster versus his friend's home security system..."
That must be an awesome disorder to have 😀
The performance was spectacular even though there were literally 2 layers of emulation.
Can't wait for " bare metal " performance test.
Seriously speaking;
Running games in Dolphin at 4k res which is also being emulated under x86 Rosetta layer.
That's epic!
Imagine what the m1 chip will do when running emulators natively....
I was undecided on whether to buy a gaming laptop or the new Macbook Air releasing next month. I don't really need the most recent gaming on a laptop as I have my PS5 for that purpose, but emulation of retro consoles on a laptop is something I am very interested in. Seeing this video today and the outstanding Dolphin performance I am definitely going to buy the Macbook Air M2 next month.
plus u can connect your ps5 controller and airpods to your mac and boost your experience
@@BladyCarrasco17 you can connect them to a laptop aswell?
@@OllieLK yeah as long as your laptop has Bluetooth
@@BladyCarrasco17 yeah Hardly any laptops have Bluetooth these days
@@BladyCarrasco17can I use a kinhank 2tb drive with 120k games emulators ect on it?
Using emulation to run emulation
*Emuception*
Rosetta 2 actually uses binary translation, not emulation, which is why it's so much faster than what you'd expect from traditional emulation.
@@PatrickLofstrom There is still a form of emulation being used and a perfomance loss (waaaay lower than ARM for Microsoft lol).
@@PatrickLofstrom that's actually what emulation is. anytime you emulate something you can choose between interpretation or binary translation. but still that's what emulation is. most of emulators work like that.
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Yo dawg I heard you like emulations...
We need to go deeper. Can we run a game on a mac os 9 emulator on an amiga emulator running on a x64 virtual machine running in emulation mode running in rosetta 2 "emulation" on a Apple M1?
why? LOL
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Don’t go all Sheepshaver on me now!! 🤣
I won't be satisfied untill the loop is close... 😏
@@estudiordl It's a fun loop that only us very very old emulations fans can truly appreciate. I suspect ETA is one of those guys no doubt.
Considering that the switch and the m1 MacBooks both run arm, could we run switch emulators like how phone run switch emulation? Or am I confused?
I’m sure someone will take advantage of these new chips soon
@Zerevv pretty sure eta could run switch emulators but any youtuber that does gets in "noticed" by Nintendo
@@kuyakuma so we have switch emulators already?! Cool
u are confused, thats not how it works.
The M1 is *not* a standard implementation of ARM. All of the different manufacturers have slightly different architecture. The M1 is even differs from the A14 in that the M1 has dedicated instructions for some harder to emulate Intel x86 instructions, for example memory control. That's why Rosetta 2 works so well, it's part of the M1.
Every UA-camr: Alright, the M1 is released. Let's try running Final Cu-
ETA PRIME: Guys, let's try testing out some emulators!
I like his style :)
Would honestly love to see a video of you setting the Emulators up. Maybe there is an older video of you doing this on MacOS, but would be nice to see with Big Sur and the M1.
And here I am having trouble with Dolphin on my Zen+ 2500u laptop.
Usually Apple makes overpriced stuff but this time, they're like 4 generations ahead of the competition.
I have a laptop with 2500u and... yeah is not the best, but the 4500u is amazing, it can even run things like cemu mk8 at 60fps (some stuttering but still great though).
Still, for mobile this ARM powerful chips are the future, and qualcomm and other companies are planning using the new cortex a78c and cortex x1 chips that in theory would be in the same range of performance per watt than apple M1's.... (the cortex x1 will be in smartphones but the a78c will be on laptop and big tablets!).
Should've tested the iPad version of Dolphin to see native ARM performance. Also, in Dolphin, you don't have to stop emulation to change the internal resolution; it applies on the fly.
As good as Universal apps, I think it'll fail big time..
Reason because everyone is in everything for profit... If you suddenly go from 3 apps down to 1, and it happens to be a paid app (you'll loose the profit from the others)
Even worse when the app is "free, but with in-app purchases"
I just don't see developers getting on board. And if someone charges more to make up the difference, that'll be a read-hearing as price always was..
@@Tech-geeky Ehh, depends on developer. A good number of apps have switched to “Buy once, use on any device” if you authenticate with your AppleID, kind of like Steam. And the more companies that offer that will be getting sales from more people. Better to lose 2 sales and keep one than to lose all 3.
@@johnbuscher Universal apps i still reckon are an exception because unlike Steam and others it HASN'T taken off.. (as yet)
Wait till it happens, then come back, but at this point i do not see any proof for Universal apps will be big, until it happens. IF it happens.
Apple wants everything they do to take off, but reality shows otherwise. For instance, if Bit-coin took off every merchant would be using it.. like Mastercard/Visa..
You know what Rosetta One was, i guess it was the Stone that contained the 3 languages Greek, Latin and Egyptian Hieroglyph's
It was named for the stone, but Rosetta one was the emulation that allowed power pc mac software to run on intel macs.
Mac version of Citra broken once you have run a game, you need to disable disk shader cache. Everything works after that. It's why no game would open for you.
If it can run minecraft with shaders, I'm gonna buy one.
it can very nicely!
Currently runnins Sildurs Ehanced default at 60 fps native res
Easily, and MC hasn't even been ported to Silicon yet. With Optifine and Slidurs, MC keeps a steady 80 frames at native res. And that is with Rosetta.
@@maximiliangfrorer1039 My MacBook Air can barely run minecraft. Am I missing something I need to do?
I’m seeing something weird in Redream, so wondering if you or anyone might know what’s going on.
It SEEMS that anytime there’s any loading of (what I think is) an audio stream, there’s some stutter.
Take Shenmue for example. Start of the game, Ryo arrives home. Walks to the main entrance. The very moment the camera angle cuts to the carp, the game stutters. The very next camera angle, he speaks with Inesan. This seems to happen a lot to me. Other games too, but thought Shenmue was a good consistent one to mention.
I’m excited for the 2021 and 2022 MacBooks. If these early models are this smooth, they will fly once devs can optimize software and Apple can better tune the hardware.
*_I think in about 3 years, Apple CPUs will be the fastest on the market._*
@@kevindie well, other companies *exist* too. And Hackintosh on ARM will now be a high priority subject, and since so many ARM hased devices are available lying around, someone will surely figure out something.
I still say "what kind of app NEEDS a M2 processor?" Everyone wants faster speeds but don't we think an M1 is "fast enough" I mean, it has 8-cores for crying out loud. What can you improve it with for anything but graphics/video/photo editing etc?
Yeah, I remember trying to emulate on Macintosh and the apps run into a lot more problems. Whereas the Windows based apps gave me little to no issues. It's nice to know it can emulate, but I wouldn't get a Macintosh expecting it to be better at emulation than what's already out there.
I just spent a hell of a lazy day playing a bunch of Mario Kart, Mario Party, New Super Mario Bros Wii...as well as a bit of Everspace and Tomb Raider.
On my Mac.
I'm living inside of a dream right now!
the more i see about this chip, the more I'm stunned about the performance. And remember this is an "entry-evel" chip (I mean, according to Apple, not according to the price).
I am more a PC/Linux guy, but I really want to try the Apple way with this chip
I was looking forward to a video of the new mac. Thank you.
When Apple mentioned gaming in the keynote, they were not referring to Apple Arcade :)
Try and remember, this is basically a phone SOC in a laptop case, with better cooling. All of these can run fine on top-end phones so honestly, this is about as good as I expected. The reason the X86 stuff works so well is there is actually special hardware to perform the slowest X86 tasks to emulate in hardware, like the X86 memory map. M1 only partially emulates X86, the hardest to perform and slowest of the X86 functions to emulate on ARM CPUs are actually fully implemented in hardware. You can think of this as more of a hybrid approach. it's nice and all, don't get me wrong, but further segregating the market isn't going to bode well for MAC users who also want to do things like game. MAC support is already abysmal and now that they would have to support a whole different CPU architecture, it will be worse still. Emulation is mostly open source these days so that will be the best supported because it will be the community that makes those things work well. It's a tough call here, apple is about the only company out there that could pull this off because they are already very used to little walled gardens and just ignoring the rest of the whole of computing in favor of their own ecosystem and they have the customers who are willing to accept those limitations for the status/clout they perceive owning a massively overpriced apple product gives. I can't say if I think PCs can or would go arm or anything but I wouldn't be upset with a move to something like RiscV +. Open source and freely available to all. I guess time will tell but apple is so separated from normal computing, in general, I don't think this M1/ARM move will really make much of a difference anytime soon to the whole of computing in general.
But that's just my two cents.
do you have a source in regards to Apple implementing hardware features to support x86 code? This would make sense and find this very intriguing but I can’t find anything on the net about it...
I don't think people really understand just how strong this chip is.
First of all it has this nice architecture thanks to it being an SoC, so it has unified memory with CPU/GPU and a LOT of cache which hides the latency to main memory.
But the actual star of the show are the high performance cores which at 3.2Ghz get similar ST scores to a Zen 3 5950x which runs at 5Ghz. You do the math.
I am not even beginning the discussion of power efficiency.
It is a great chip and while I am not an apple fan and their products, technically M1 is a masterpiece.
Hello! I tend to watch a lot of your videos, i always watch on my Nvidia Shield on the TV, so, commenting is not really something i can do there. But today i wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into making these videos. I know capturing all this footage and editing it is quite a bit of work, so much appreciated. I’m pretty interested in these M1 Macs, i already have a 16 inch MacBook Pro, so, I’m thinking of the Air as a more portable take anywhere device.
For bonus points, the Gamecube and Wii are actually running on Power PC. So with a little imagination one could argue that it is running Rosetta 1 inside of Rosetta 2....
I love how Gamecube emulation is essentially becoming commonplace like N64 emulation, pretty much all modern laptops can do it. The raspberry pi 5 will be incredibly exciting for stuff like this.
Personally I will be a thinkpad user for the foreseeable future due to ports, upgradability, and pricing, but what Apple is doing is exciting for the laptop industry nonetheless.
I hope one day Apple will put hdmi/usb A on at least their "Pro" line, and don't make it super expensive to get 16gb of RAM, and perhaps have some kind of at least storage upgradability.
I mean Gamecube emulation was commonplace at least half a decade ago.
the title is nice. normally it's like "this 150 $ laptop is an emulation beast!". this time it's pretty good :D i like that
I can see Apple silicon Macs becoming the fastest machines for emulation in the next few years 💪
...and beyond....... I feel i need to watch Toy Story .
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It would be interesting to see Parallels Windows 10 PC gaming on an M2X or even M3X machines, especially when PCs overall have probably moved to arm based processors by then - that means devs would have to make their games optimized for Arm.
By then, kind of wonder, besides extra optimization, wouldn't it be better overall just to focus resources in making PC games for Windows instead of also have it natively run on Macs?
I want to see QEMU running windows!
The thing to remember about the M1 Macs is these were slotted into the entry level models price points for Apple. These are 10 Watt parts!
It works fine. I got windows xp running fine.
I been waiting for THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS SO MUCH Thanks ETA PRIME
I hope OpenEmu will be ported to M1 soon...
I tried UTM... and it suxed :P Biggest piece of crap i tried using..... Then again, I was attempting to install an x86 OS on it...
No point in UTM able to listing x86/x64 architecture in the GUI it is wasn't possible.... Now i'm thinking that is probably why they only list Windows 7 and XP on their website..
opps..
first time watching your video in my search of reasons to buy a M1 mac. this dude has amazing soothing voiceover (and he dont shout on the mic into my ears unlike other youtube gamers / reviewers)
Really impressive, I wonder if the Air would perform similar? With only one less core of GPU I wouldn't be surprised!
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More MAC M1 coverage please!
More Apple coverage in general. :)
OpenEMU is a god send for us Mac users that love gaming.
I'm considering possibly getting an m1 laptop after swearing off Mac a few years ago. Should see really impressive emulation improvements when arm builds come out... 20-50% improvements.
As a mac user, I'd be careful with your choice coming from this video. The concept going ahead with running these chips is the eco system being more locked down so it may end up getting harder to get such applications onto the OS further down the line.
@@iWadey that was one of my concerns was that they'd go store apps only. I'm slightly less, though still, concerned about boot OS alternatives. My main needs are Docker and VS Code. Though docker on arm is less mature.
"Not really wanting to like this chip" Thanks for your unbiased review.
I'd say it's more than pretty good myself. x86 emulation on arm has been pretty much garbage up to this point so to see that kind of performance is really impressive to me. Particularly given the low power usage involved.
The PSP is built on an ARM architecture, so emulators in the future should run even better. Now it is translated to Intel code and then back to ARM, if I'm not mistaken.
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Hopefully they cover larger EFB sizes on Dolphin? That stuff should basically be free on this chip
I'm beyound impressed by the M1. First time I've seriously thought about buying a mac
Don't forget M1 is just the bottom end of Apple's silicon line. There is more to come.
whattttt?? that was rosetta?? M1 is wild fast
just an fyi, Rosetta is not an emulator, its a translation layer, pretty sure if Rosetta was an emulator, you wouldn't get anywhere close to this performance
Awesome video!!! Emulating Wii or Dreamcast and using about as much power as a Wii or Dreamcast! Do you think next time they will put Mac Mini in the keyboard like a Pi 400?
Is ps2 emulation possible on a air m1? I can get at the end of the year a m1 of possibly an m2 macbook air. I wanted to play some gran turismo 3 + 4. I am very interrested in this!
Thats fucking crazy holy shit... Running 2 emus at once and still getting 4k is just crazy.
You should try iPhone/iPad emulators since Those are more compatible with that chip
PPSSPP does work on m1. You just need to go through the homebrew install steps in terminal with a command switxh that forces them to use x64 versions instead of arm (since terminal itself is now an arm app)
I've tried running UTM, but back then i didn't have ARM version of Windows.. Knowing x86 architecture existed as an option in the pick-list, I choose THAT thinking it would work, but it crashed on boot
Now i release, just like Parallels which runs on Intel as well, the exception is what the "chip" can support. eg, Parallels only runs Windows 10 on M! because of the version being used..
Which i knew that back then... but that's one reason why i returned my M1.. The other being, MS is not gonna do ARM version of ESXi and server systems.
Also try running DolphiniOS on here since that is already ARM native just download the ipa from their site and double click to install it.
I am impressed I am into old school games and emulators too! I have MacBook Pro 13 2011 model that I been using for emulators and also fixing iPhones and iPads.
Wow!!! I’m blown away at the performance! Emulating a Dolphin emulator at 4K 60p. Insane!!
So glad to see this! I guess it’s time to get started creating emulators for newer systems like newer Playstations and Xbox’s.
well, until then there is Intel
The problem seems to be we are looking for one system for everything... while Performance sticks always
The cycle will repeat again in a few years will we all "find way to slow down an 8-core system"
I had no idea this was out already, pretty cool! Great work as always!
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*Game Cube: Zelda twilight princess, Metroid Prime, Resident evil 4, R racing evolution.*
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This video just make my day so awesome.. Best emulator channel really.. can u please try cemu & yuzu.. I guess it won't work but if it does.. it is going to be super duper awesome..!
I have a 16gb M1 MBP coming on the 22nd and seeing this performance is really exciting.
@ETA PRIME Loved the video! Nice to see something good happening on the new MacBook! How does Supermodel (SEGA Model 3) emulation run on it?
Amazing content. Can you do some testing stressing out M1's CPU/GPU? Throwing everything that in your experience requires high performance hardware.
One of yo buddies will definitely has or will have a samsung smart fridge .
ETA will test emulation it too..
I not into retro games or emulation but I love to watch you videos and wait for each of em .
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Would like to see switch and Wii U emulation
Would I be able to play Pokémon X, Y, ORAS, Sun and Moon on the M1 chip?
This video alone sold me on the m1 macbook
You can run PPSSPP windows version with Crossover and Vulkan API. Dx11 will crash. It handle Chains of Olympus 8x upscale with ease :D. Only problem is I can't map my gamepad, have to use keyboard instead
I'd like to see android emulation on this! Specifically somethings like Bluestacks & Nox! Also, if there are any demanding iOS/iPad OS games that have been specifically ported to take advantage of this M1 Mac, then that'd be phenomenal to see! Lastly, how does it compare to this year's iPad lineup (including the 2020 Pro & Air 4) in regards to benchmark scores? Thanks! 🙂
wow rosetta is really impressive. I cant wait to see emulators designed for arm running on this as well.
Love this channel!! Emulation on anything!!
Would like to see if they could use this M1 chip as part of the Switch Pro 2 Architecture and have the console fanless, just heatsinks.
Cant wait to play cemu made natively for the M1. And Yuzu.
Some emulators, like Citra, Mupen64Next, Dolphin... PPSSPP a lot of them, do support arm64/aarch64, why don't you try to compile one yourself? PPSSPP is well supported by community, fast to compile, and a super duper choice.
Now dolphin, supports arm and metal, it would be nice to redo this test 🙌🏽
It's amazing how all the emulator games in the video are playable!!
UA-cam makes that possible :) In reality. well your on your own.
Btw Rosetta is NOT emulation it's is translation so nothing is actively being emulated. (Also I am making a Mac focused version of Citra with Apple Silicon Support and a Vulkan Hardware render called Zinc for those interested)
Im using Open EMU for n64 games but it sucks its vert limited but Dolphin I give them props to be working almost perfectly on the m1 chip
if you would be so kind as to let me know if this video is accurate compared to the 2021 iMac M1 model. it's what I currently bought thinking it was super powerful, but almost no steam games will run. And no switch emulator. I'm wondering about the emulators you have included in this video :D
This is quite literally an ARM-based single board computer. So it's right up your alley!
Looks like we can finally get rid of x86, the other arm chip makers need to step up their game though
Native emulation will be hecking impressive. Let's hope the emulators will be recompiled for the M1 specifically.
Could you do a revised review of emulation on M1 chips? And/or a how to would be amazing too!
Thanks for this, been waiting for someone to do an emulator test on the new m1, I've searched all around and couldn't find it lol.
This makes me a bit sad as ARM Windows laptops failed so badly.
Tests should include some shaders from time to time would be nice.
I’m stunned. On my 2016 15” MBP with RX460 4GB it cant run F Zero GX at 1080p 60fps. I have boot camp to run the windows version to get that sort of performance. 4K is impossible.
M1 just started and it emulating within Rosetta is bonkers. *slow clap*
There is a native ps2 emulator for m1 out called "AetherSX2". Works really smooth in 3x resolution