Hey, for proton, if you are running older games, you have to configure winetricks to support 32bit. By default proton is configured for 64bit. You can have both loaded and it will choose the dependency for the game. (Copied)
Thank you for the video! We've added detection for older AMD GPUs and automatically apply the kargs you needed so others that follow your lead won't have to do it themselves. It'll be available in the next Bazzite release.
@@user-mn8lz7gf6d yes use shitty mac os that isnt supported anymore to cripple the thing so they force you to buy new hardware where the older one is still relevant. This is why i like windows and linux
i've been using linux for like 15 years and i remember when gaming was just not a thing at all on linux, unless you wanted to play SuperTuxKart (good game still lol) or any myriad of quake clones. Now, thanks to Valve, we have hundreds of games that are even AAA sometimes coming to linux. It's amazing. Some day I might never have to use windows again, right now I still use it for gaming personally because I don't want to fuss around much, but I'm excited for the day that I never have to use microsoft products anymore lol
@@albummutation2278 I highly recommend you doing the switch but in an smart way. You see, instead of replacing Windows for Gaming drastically, keep a Gaming Windows installation and a Gaming Linux installation, if something doesn't work properly on Linux, hop on Windows. That's what I do and I keep the best of both worlds. Also, CS 1.6 worked pretty well on Linux 15 years ago if I'm not mistaken, so I guess Gaming on Linux wasn't that bad. Not on Windows' level, but hey you could play one of the greatest multiplayer shooters of all time. Here, in Andalusia, Spain the regional governmet shipped laptops with Guadalinex based on the good ol' golden era Ubuntu, we used to call them "los portátiles verdes". They gaved us those machines back in primary school days so we used to play a lot of Counter Strike 1.6 through Wine pretty flawlessly. I remember being a kid and watching how the big boys in the school killed each other in Assault with those laptops.
@@albummutation2278Linux is getting better, slowly, but it still isn't close to being an OS for most computer users. Nerds and hard-core fans may like it, but for most it's a convoluted maze, full of confusing distros, different user interfaces and unintuitive software repositories. Having to frequently use the terminal to get things done... no thanks. In a bad year, I might have to dip in to a Windows shell once. I had my fill of that back in the '80s and '90s with the Amiga and MS DOS etc, and I don't miss it one bit.
Here's the fun thing- there are a few cars already running Linux that you can make run a normal desktop environment. We truly are living in the year of the automotive Linux desktop!
I have been using dual boot, eighter Dos/Linux, Win9x/Linux, WinXP/Linux or Win7/Linux since 1995. Only gone full Linux and ditching Windows in 2016. Linux are way better than Windows, pending only three specific situations. The first is that one is gaming hardcore on a PC. Second is that you need access to MS Office due to corporate work. And the third are extremely specific situations, like when your only eeprom programmer is an XGecu TL866-II Plus. 95 percent of situations, Linux are better than anything else, if we look at computing as a whole. Yes. As a whole.
12:30 for proton, if you are running older games, you have to configure winetricks to support 32bit. By default proton is configured for 64bit. You can have both loaded and it will choose the dependency for the game.
Can you configure Proton for 32-bit because I've only got WINE and a few games do some wonky things. Unless maybe it's selecting the 64-bit version of WINE by mistake.
Thanks for mentioning Bazzite. I've been looking at a few different versions of SteamOS for my game cabinet and so far they all have their own issues that keep me looking for a replacement. Hopeful that it will feel better to me than HoloISO, winesapOS, and ChimeraOS have felt.
Universal Blue as a whole is really nice. I use the uBlue Silverblue image on my main PC and it works like a charm Bazzite-deck should work better than the ones you mentioned since it's effectively a recreation of SteamOS 3.0 instead of porting SteamOS 3.0 to a device it wasn't designed for
9:30 Tip: In Bash two exclamation marks represent the last command that you (tried to) run. So instead of using the command history to get the command back, getting the cursor back to the front of the command and then adding "sudo", you can simply type "sudo !!" instead.
I purchased a 2013 Pro a few years ago, strictly as a project computer to upgrade. It was a beautiful device and challenging but enjoyable to work on. I was fortunate enough to sell it before the M1s hit the market or I would never have gotten back any of the money I put into it. I think what I miss the most, and this is true of all the Intel Macs, is the ability to run BootCamp because I have several Windows apps that Apple doesn't have an adequate replacement for. Sure, I can run it on Parallels, but it won't support old 32-bit apps..
It is a gorgeous little thing to have on your desk. I'd like to see it with Mac Studio guts in it, actually. Seems like it would be perfect for that sort of mid-range Mac.
@@ericwood3709 Yeah, it could actually make a come-back with M1 tech in it. (Or, you know, M2 or M3 or whatever Metric CPU comes after.) I have one of these, and while I can't justify using it as a daily-driver when a much more practical Mini will do the trick, I love it very much.
@@nickwallette6201 I picked one up a little while back. I figure it's good for running a 32-bit capable Mac OS version and running some older games, and it's definitely nice just to have sitting around looking pretty.
Pretty sure Fedora disabled amdgpu BECAUSE it's flaky with Vulcan. Have a similar setup with a 7970 XT and while pretty fast for the era the API support just never seems to have materialized. Excited to see what the coming Action Retro solutions are!
This is indeed the case. GCN 2 support on the admgpu support isn't quite there. You need to use older DXVK versions (so older Proton version) for better support. They use less of the newer Vulkan features.
good to know, also want to put this out there but I use linux mint and I found out if you just change Proton to 7.0-6 fallout (new vegas 3,4) works maybe it can work on this too.
I like how this thing was panned for its lack of upgradeability as a professional machine when it was launched, yet it is still infinitely more upgradeable than whatever Apple is trying to sell these days.
Why does everybody hate the trashcan? I love it. It is a beautiful machine. It is literally the reincarnation of the G4 cube but in a cylinder shape. I love the look. And if I could afford one, I wouldn’t mind buying it at all.
What I remember is that people loved the trashcan design. What they hated was the fact it overheated and began performance throttling with even medium intensity tasks. The amount of third party cooling solutions the ones in our design lab had was comical A great visual design. A terrible design for doing what you'd want a mac pro for (ie, design work and editing)
I got a 6-core in July for $250! I always wanted one and with the recent price drop I jumped at it! I’m using is as a daily driver… despite having a base model M2 Pro MBP 😂 It should get security updates for another year so why not enjoy it (or put Linux like this video, or Windows on it) For the price it’s a decent machine for that user who might need multiple monitors. Maybe like a lower-range power user.
Why would you waste it's potential with windows? You'd also be ruining your desk as it slowly melts it's way through. My IBM T41 still gets updates, since it's running gentoo.
I installed ublue the other day! There is something I really like about immutable Linux distros. Really stable, and if something does break you can just boot in to the last state. Want to switch out desktop environment? Sure rebase to another image and reboot, now you have a different OS with all your files and Flatpak apps still intact!
the FirePro D700 is running on GCN 1.0 architecture, which does not support DXVK 2.0 and Vulkan 1.3. you need to run an older version of Proton, or use a custom version that does not use DXVK 2.0
In 2008 I bought a Xeon Workstation with 8x2500Mhz, 32GByte memory and a RAID1 made from 2x1TByte+60GByte Caching-SSD. It did cost €2500. Apple would have demanded around €5000 for a much less powerful configuration. Actually I still use this system as a secondary computer because its SMP power is still pretty solid.
I upgraded mine to 128 gigs of RAM, 1 TB of storage using the AngelBoard and upgraded the CPU to the 6 core Xeon and the graphics to D500. It works quite well
It’s funny since I just recently got a 12 core and 64gb ram model for 180 since and I quote “it does not display when turned on” as soon as I got it I plugged it in and turned it on and it displayed just fine, it has been running Ubuntu and a minecraft server for quite a while lol.
I love my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro, which I've upgraded with a 1 TB NVMe SSD and 64 GB of RAM, and I keep it at MacOS 10.14 Mojave. Mojave is a relatively modern and well-supported version of MacOS, but still has legacy 32-bit application support. Recently, I had a great time replaying Deus Ex: Human Revolution on my trashcan. Most of my vintage Intel Macs run Mojave, and I believe that if your Mac can still run Mojave, you should keep it there (or run a second partition with Mojave) for legacy app support. I have two Mac Pros: my 2013 trashcan, and my heavily-upgraded 2010 cheesegrater, which has a 3.46 six-core CPU (up from a 2.8 GHz quad-core), 48 GB of RAM, a 2 TB NVMe SSD in a glowing PCIe adapter, an RX 580 graphics card, a Blu Ray drive, a USB-C card and a FireWire 400 card.
Having bought one of these mac Pros for ~$550 this year, it's kind of a boondoggle. It has way too many Thunderbolt 2 ports - and a lot of T2 hardware is getting hard to find. The best upgrade I found is a T2 docking station with an eSATA port that will allow a 4-bay Probox for ZFS. I don't care if it runs the latest MacOS though as long as Monterey is supported for a few more years. FYI you can also upgrade disk capacity pretty easily with a couple of USB3 Samsung T7s. And you can have 2.5Gig network with a USB3 adapter as well. Beyond that it's probably not cost-effective to upgrade beyond 32GB of RAM and maybe replacing the internal SSD with a faster model
I've got one of these. When it came out my tower Mac Pro was starting to get near the end of its lifecycle. I didn't really like the non-expandible form factor, but I did have a move coming up so it actually was a convenient time to downsize my desktop. Served me well for 6 years. Since OS/X no longer supports it (and I have enough other Apple hardware that I don't need it for that role anymore) I've tried various Linux distros on it. Currently it's just being used to test some stuff on Debian/unstable. Unfortunately display wake-up hasn't been reliable... Might be because it has an old 30" monitor connected via the Apple active mini-DP to DVI converter. I should try it with a newer monitor I guess, but then I don't know what purpose I'd have for that 30"er since nothing else I own can output dual-link DVI. I'll look at trying the other AMD driver. I'm not gaming or anything on it so I don't really care about GPU performance but maybe it will be more reliable on wake-up
I own a 2009 cMP (all built out, of course) and have just relegated it to storage and Windows duty in favor of my 16" M2 MBP. But man I have a soft spot for the tcMP. I've been spending a lot of time browsing eBay for a dual D700 in great cosmetic condition. I'm going to upgrade the storage, CPU and memory and ultimately attach it to my TV to stream 4k movies from my cMP or MBP. The engineering is incredible and the design has actually grown on me a lot. I think Apple would have been better off expanding the size of the cMP but now that we're well past that point, it's tech well worth preserving and displaying.
The Trashcan, is the reason Mac Pro 5.1's held their value for a decade. It was Apple's biggest Eff You to the Pro User. It's also why most Avid workstations suddenly became Windows PCs. Anything that used PCIe cards, the Trashcan wasn't bought.
I still have one because it is upgradable and I am able to run it as a VMWare ESXi host with a whole virtual network of guest virtual machines (including macOS, Linux, and Windows) running on it.
@@hanhnguyenvan3955 ESXi is a bare metal hypervisor so you need a small boot drive with that. Storage can (probably should) be on another device. You can choose whether to boot from that drive or another as usual with a Mac, so you can learn about VMWare ESXi and then go back to using the Mac normally if you want. It appears that VMWare has no plans to release newer versions for Mac hardware (they do not seem to have plans to support Apple Silicon), so I don’t know how long this will be an option.
I actually like the tube style form factor, though it unfortunately is very unpractical if it comes to installing hardware: The cooling principle is quite clever, due to the fan positioning at least potentially quite silent, it doesn't take all that much free space and the aesthetics are quite good compared to the simple mindcraft style blocks we are used too otherwise. Personally I prefer something even smaller that can stand on more than one end though, such as the ASRock Deskmeet X300 or a Minis Forum UM690 ... .
The big problem is that the cooling system inside is just not strong enough to keep it cool when under heavy load and that causes premature failure of the GPU(s).
Note: it is stated that the memory is max 64 GB. This is incorrect: maximum it is 128 GB memory. My maxed out Mac Pro has 2xD700 + 128 GB + 12 core XEON.
i think proton doesnt work for some titles because the vulkan the hardware supports is too old and proton uses calls of a newer vulkan. You can go around it if you try to install older or a lot older versions of proton/wine and or try to use opengl instead of vulkan. Then it might work. PS: i had the same issue when i used the gtx 770.
Macbook pro fan or mbpfan is an app that i install on debian based distros to control the fan curve on Apple devices. autostarts with the system once installed and can be edited to keep th temps in check as well as can be with the limited cooling provided.
FYI you don't even need additional software, in Linux you can echo values right to the kernel space to increase the fan speed cd /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768 || failexit "Apple SMC fan control not found!" # set fan speed echo 3000 >fan1_min echo 3000 >fan2_min echo 2500 >fan3_min
I play all my games on Linux these days I have yet to find a game I can't get to run . some require a little tinkering and figuring out which version of proton to work . I don''t think I have booted into windows for over a year. I love that Linux can bring new life to old equipment that might otherwise find its way to the landfill
I ADORE Linux running on Macs. My 2011 Mac Mini runs Arco Linux with MOST of the different window managers installed (I gravitate towards the floating window managers...). It also dual-boots into Debian with Cinnamon desktop when I'm just relaxing... My M1 Mac Mini runs Asahi Linux beautifully. Subjectively, apps seem more quick-reacting in Linux than in native macOS Ventura. Looking forward to more Linux-on-Apple adventures.
Fantastic! It’ll be awhile before that Mac Pro will ever go obsolete under Linux especially considering the fact that the GPU has supported by open source drivers (of course the AMDGPU driver being the best of what’s available). I’m willing to bet you could use a dedicated GPU via thunderbolt or perhaps the M.2 PCIE slot that it has (that some have used for NVME SSDs).
I just purchased one the other day! An 8 core, 64GB ram, dual d700. It’s a beautiful and innovative piece of design which was both its unique selling point and it’s downfall. It’s beautiful IMO. Flawed but special.
The hard part its to get both GPUs to share the loads. I have same one than you i have a custom video card driver installed but i still cant share the loads. Always only one working.
@@estebanpavez3162 With the Mac os, you weren't actually using both unless an app was specifically made to use both. This gave an edge to apple apps like iMovie... AMD crossfire is a thing on newer motherboards, I wonder if that Mac has a similar feature?
Actually this Mac Pro (predecesor of Mac Studio) is very good ( design wise (limited expandability) and performance) but the problem is the Intel Processor ( T-Case: Case Temperature is the maximum temperature allowed at the processor Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) ), so the processor is overheating during moderate-intense tasks and the GPU got affected due to ineffective cooling system (one main fan to cool down the hardware). @ Despite that Mac Studio (Apple Silicon Chip M Series) consider the redesigned Mac Pro (Trashcan).
I’m unable to get my Mac Pro to boot from USB. I’ve tried numerous key combinations during boot, and I’ve even tried multiple USB discs along with different OS. But I’m happy for you, really.
Is Bazzite utilizing both GPUs present in the Mac Pro 6,1 models or is it only using one GPU when gaming? Owning the D700 FirePro, I would need to know this to determine whether it is an improvement on Windows 10 running the unofficial drivers. Thanks
I'm running Windows 11 as the only OS on this kind of a machine and it works like a charm. System Shock remake works on a high settings. Love the machine
I've been rocking the Trashcan Mac until last year, I did try to use Linux on it before getting my current system however I was having graphical issues in Steam, Shadow, and in some games. The GPU driver fix at 08:12 was probably what I was looking for!
Thanks for the how-to video. I have a Late-2013 Mac Pro with 6-core Intel Xeon E5 that I would like to install Bazzite on. When I go to the Bazzite web site and attempt to download the .iso image, the "select hardware type" pull-down menu says: "coming soon" for Apple Hardware. Where can I find the correct .iso image?
Strange, I was thinking about such a setup just yesterday. Unfortunately, the dual GPU setup is not really supported. It would've been nice if they would've done it right from the beginning. Or if it would be possible to connect a monitor to each GPU and make some use of that.
"A pretty good value for the price" Well .... I see them on Ebay at 500$ ad up. For reference, I bought a brand new Mac Mini 2012 with its external dvd reader for 100$. Perfectly usable as a daily machine. Not as so powerfull, but we're talking about a 10 years old Xeon or equivalent.
The fact that Apple offers to recycle this for "free" while selling for $5500 on their site, shows you something. It also isn't compatible with the latest version of MacOS. Fucking embarrassing.
I had the same experience with a FirePro and Several flavors of Linux. Proton does not like FirePro, I tried several driver/proton versions. The same goes for nVidia Quadros, the professional cards all have issues. Can't get my P600 or w4100 to work in my LAKKA Retro build. But a ATI HD 6320 from 2012 works no problem first try.
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Hey, for proton, if you are running older games, you have to configure winetricks to support 32bit. By default proton is configured for 64bit. You can have both loaded and it will choose the dependency for the game. (Copied)
Nice phone.
Use this to play stalker
In an alternative universe Doug DeMuro is installing Linux on an old Ford Escort.
while eating a car panini!
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"the lag on the acceleration has indeed been reduced, but the framerate of the wipers are still not great."
It would certainly make it more quirky!
basically what android auto is, so it's not that crazy an idea...
@@fohkukohgekinot really
Thank you for the video! We've added detection for older AMD GPUs and automatically apply the kargs you needed so others that follow your lead won't have to do it themselves. It'll be available in the next Bazzite release.
Oh that's awesome!! Thank you for this project!
@@ActionRetro Well now that you did the hard work looks like it will be easier for us 🤪
Nice. I'll be giving Bazzite a try. Anything that makes gaming on Linux easier is worth it in my book.
john freeman... saver of humens
@@ActionRetroprobably should have installed holo os on it
Always good to see Fedora saving old machines (either directly from us or from our downstreams, collaboration is great)!
Love your distro
lol official fedora
no way is that fedora from hit show the fedora project
i use Arch btw
I use Arch btw
This machine needs its own Linux distro, and they could call it Trash Can OS. 😂
rubbishOS
TrashMacOS
it's called MacOS...
@@user-mn8lz7gf6d 😂
@@user-mn8lz7gf6d yes use shitty mac os that isnt supported anymore to cripple the thing so they force you to buy new hardware where the older one is still relevant. This is why i like windows and linux
It's really cool to see *Linux* gaming PC's becoming a thing now. I hope people keep making these sort of videos!
i've been using linux for like 15 years and i remember when gaming was just not a thing at all on linux, unless you wanted to play SuperTuxKart (good game still lol) or any myriad of quake clones. Now, thanks to Valve, we have hundreds of games that are even AAA sometimes coming to linux. It's amazing. Some day I might never have to use windows again, right now I still use it for gaming personally because I don't want to fuss around much, but I'm excited for the day that I never have to use microsoft products anymore lol
@@albummutation2278 I highly recommend you doing the switch but in an smart way. You see, instead of replacing Windows for Gaming drastically, keep a Gaming Windows installation and a Gaming Linux installation, if something doesn't work properly on Linux, hop on Windows. That's what I do and I keep the best of both worlds.
Also, CS 1.6 worked pretty well on Linux 15 years ago if I'm not mistaken, so I guess Gaming on Linux wasn't that bad. Not on Windows' level, but hey you could play one of the greatest multiplayer shooters of all time. Here, in Andalusia, Spain the regional governmet shipped laptops with Guadalinex based on the good ol' golden era Ubuntu, we used to call them "los portátiles verdes". They gaved us those machines back in primary school days so we used to play a lot of Counter Strike 1.6 through Wine pretty flawlessly. I remember being a kid and watching how the big boys in the school killed each other in Assault with those laptops.
@@albummutation2278Linux is getting better, slowly, but it still isn't close to being an OS for most computer users. Nerds and hard-core fans may like it, but for most it's a convoluted maze, full of confusing distros, different user interfaces and unintuitive software repositories. Having to frequently use the terminal to get things done... no thanks. In a bad year, I might have to dip in to a Windows shell once. I had my fill of that back in the '80s and '90s with the Amiga and MS DOS etc, and I don't miss it one bit.
Here's the fun thing- there are a few cars already running Linux that you can make run a normal desktop environment. We truly are living in the year of the automotive Linux desktop!
I have been using dual boot, eighter Dos/Linux, Win9x/Linux, WinXP/Linux or Win7/Linux since 1995. Only gone full Linux and ditching Windows in 2016. Linux are way better than Windows, pending only three specific situations. The first is that one is gaming hardcore on a PC. Second is that you need access to MS Office due to corporate work. And the third are extremely specific situations, like when your only eeprom programmer is an XGecu TL866-II Plus.
95 percent of situations, Linux are better than anything else, if we look at computing as a whole. Yes. As a whole.
12:30 for proton, if you are running older games, you have to configure winetricks to support 32bit. By default proton is configured for 64bit. You can have both loaded and it will choose the dependency for the game.
For those that will say "just use windows", yeah... I don't want a hole melted in my desk thank you very much!
@@runed0s86 why would that happen???
@@runed0s86just use windows and put it on the floor, duh
Can you configure Proton for 32-bit because I've only got WINE and a few games do some wonky things. Unless maybe it's selecting the 64-bit version of WINE by mistake.
@@mecyanned you didn't get it.
Sometimes when you get those Vulkan errors its worth using an older version of Proton. I found Proton 6 to be the most compatible across the board.
Thanks for showing off Bazzite! As someone who's followed the project closely, it's lovely to see people using it
I love trash macs, waiting for the day they become too useless for daily use so i can convert mine to a planter lmao
plug in a keyboard with the keys pulled out and some kind of moss growing inside!
I believe that day was 4 hours after launch. IDK what's worse, the tissue box g4 or this.
@@kurtwinter4422that’s the best name for the cube I’ve ever heard
Just please use one that is hopelessly broken, so those of us that like fully-functional old computers can get one that hasn't been neutered. :-(
Thanks for mentioning Bazzite. I've been looking at a few different versions of SteamOS for my game cabinet and so far they all have their own issues that keep me looking for a replacement. Hopeful that it will feel better to me than HoloISO, winesapOS, and ChimeraOS have felt.
Universal Blue as a whole is really nice. I use the uBlue Silverblue image on my main PC and it works like a charm
Bazzite-deck should work better than the ones you mentioned since it's effectively a recreation of SteamOS 3.0 instead of porting SteamOS 3.0 to a device it wasn't designed for
9:30 Tip: In Bash two exclamation marks represent the last command that you (tried to) run. So instead of using the command history to get the command back, getting the cursor back to the front of the command and then adding "sudo", you can simply type "sudo !!" instead.
PS: it doesn't work on the fish shell, so beware that it ain't universal.
@@arjix8738 on fish you can just press alt-s
What?? This whole time I could have been doing that? Thank you so much lol
This deserves more attention, I feel this is one of those things both newcomers and experienced users might go their lives needing, but not knowing.
@@arjix8738 the OP literally said "in Bash", no other shell was mentioned. Fish is irrelevant. Lol
Like those "Trash to Treasure" type videos except you only do it through software and it's still a physical trashcan in the end.
Or an extremly nice ashtray
Trashcan to treasure
I purchased a 2013 Pro a few years ago, strictly as a project computer to upgrade. It was a beautiful device and challenging but enjoyable to work on. I was fortunate enough to sell it before the M1s hit the market or I would never have gotten back any of the money I put into it. I think what I miss the most, and this is true of all the Intel Macs, is the ability to run BootCamp because I have several Windows apps that Apple doesn't have an adequate replacement for. Sure, I can run it on Parallels, but it won't support old 32-bit apps..
The MacPro "Trashcan" is a design-marvel. I like it very much.
It is a gorgeous little thing to have on your desk. I'd like to see it with Mac Studio guts in it, actually. Seems like it would be perfect for that sort of mid-range Mac.
@@ericwood3709 Yeah, it could actually make a come-back with M1 tech in it. (Or, you know, M2 or M3 or whatever Metric CPU comes after.)
I have one of these, and while I can't justify using it as a daily-driver when a much more practical Mini will do the trick, I love it very much.
@@nickwallette6201 I picked one up a little while back. I figure it's good for running a 32-bit capable Mac OS version and running some older games, and it's definitely nice just to have sitting around looking pretty.
I love the trashcan. Though I think it should have been positioned more as a mac studio equeivalent instead of a Pro replacemnt
Pretty sure Fedora disabled amdgpu BECAUSE it's flaky with Vulcan. Have a similar setup with a 7970 XT and while pretty fast for the era the API support just never seems to have materialized. Excited to see what the coming Action Retro solutions are!
The Linux kernel defaults to radeon over amdgpu is because there are/were missing features on the gen1/2 GCN chips related to analog outputs
This is indeed the case. GCN 2 support on the admgpu support isn't quite there. You need to use older DXVK versions (so older Proton version) for better support. They use less of the newer Vulkan features.
One of my favorite designs. I recently upgraded mine to an 8 core cpu and repasted the gpus. I have it running Ventura.
"Oft-maligned tube of hubris" is so perfect for this ridiculous contraption. LOL
That is one of the most USB usb devices you could have chosen. I love it!
For New Vegas, you'll need a fork of Proton. Not sure what it's called, but I got it to work by enabling that version for New Vegas specifically.
I think it’s Proton GE (Glorious Eggroll)
@@ShelbySann That's the one!
good to know, also want to put this out there but I use linux mint and I found out if you just change Proton to 7.0-6 fallout (new vegas 3,4) works maybe it can work on this too.
For some reason NV also works with older versions of proton
I like how this thing was panned for its lack of upgradeability as a professional machine when it was launched, yet it is still infinitely more upgradeable than whatever Apple is trying to sell these days.
I have a feeling we are going to experience some trashcan shenanigans
Really nice meeting you at VCF Midwest today and thanks for the stickers!
Apple MacPro with an AMD GPU, Running Bazzite Linux and controlling it all with an Microsoft XBox Controller.
Why does everybody hate the trashcan? I love it. It is a beautiful machine. It is literally the reincarnation of the G4 cube but in a cylinder shape. I love the look. And if I could afford one, I wouldn’t mind buying it at all.
What I remember is that people loved the trashcan design. What they hated was the fact it overheated and began performance throttling with even medium intensity tasks. The amount of third party cooling solutions the ones in our design lab had was comical
A great visual design. A terrible design for doing what you'd want a mac pro for (ie, design work and editing)
That Doug DeMuro reference caused me to finally subscribe after watching you here and there for a few months.
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Can amd crossfire be enabled in Linux to get those cards to at a minimum share their ram.
I got a 6-core in July for $250! I always wanted one and with the recent price drop I jumped at it! I’m using is as a daily driver… despite having a base model M2 Pro MBP 😂
It should get security updates for another year so why not enjoy it (or put Linux like this video, or Windows on it)
For the price it’s a decent machine for that user who might need multiple monitors. Maybe like a lower-range power user.
Why would you waste it's potential with windows? You'd also be ruining your desk as it slowly melts it's way through.
My IBM T41 still gets updates, since it's running gentoo.
@ 0:35 in: clever reference to Doug DeMuro! I watch his videos often.
I installed ublue the other day! There is something I really like about immutable Linux distros. Really stable, and if something does break you can just boot in to the last state. Want to switch out desktop environment? Sure rebase to another image and reboot, now you have a different OS with all your files and Flatpak apps still intact!
I'm running Ventura 13.5.1 on my 2013 Pro with 3 monitors. It is running very well. Like the video, though. Always looking at new options!
Video about installation starts at 5:07
the FirePro D700 is running on GCN 1.0 architecture, which does not support DXVK 2.0 and Vulkan 1.3. you need to run an older version of Proton, or use a custom version that does not use DXVK 2.0
In 2008 I bought a Xeon Workstation with 8x2500Mhz, 32GByte memory and a RAID1 made from 2x1TByte+60GByte Caching-SSD. It did cost €2500. Apple would have demanded around €5000 for a much less powerful configuration. Actually I still use this system as a secondary computer because its SMP power is still pretty solid.
I upgraded mine to 128 gigs of RAM, 1 TB of storage using the AngelBoard and upgraded the CPU to the 6 core Xeon and the graphics to D500. It works quite well
It’s funny since I just recently got a 12 core and 64gb ram model for 180 since and I quote “it does not display when turned on” as soon as I got it I plugged it in and turned it on and it displayed just fine, it has been running Ubuntu and a minecraft server for quite a while lol.
I love my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro, which I've upgraded with a 1 TB NVMe SSD and 64 GB of RAM, and I keep it at MacOS 10.14 Mojave. Mojave is a relatively modern and well-supported version of MacOS, but still has legacy 32-bit application support. Recently, I had a great time replaying Deus Ex: Human Revolution on my trashcan.
Most of my vintage Intel Macs run Mojave, and I believe that if your Mac can still run Mojave, you should keep it there (or run a second partition with Mojave) for legacy app support.
I have two Mac Pros: my 2013 trashcan, and my heavily-upgraded 2010 cheesegrater, which has a 3.46 six-core CPU (up from a 2.8 GHz quad-core), 48 GB of RAM, a 2 TB NVMe SSD in a glowing PCIe adapter, an RX 580 graphics card, a Blu Ray drive, a USB-C card and a FireWire 400 card.
Having bought one of these mac Pros for ~$550 this year, it's kind of a boondoggle. It has way too many Thunderbolt 2 ports - and a lot of T2 hardware is getting hard to find. The best upgrade I found is a T2 docking station with an eSATA port that will allow a 4-bay Probox for ZFS. I don't care if it runs the latest MacOS though as long as Monterey is supported for a few more years. FYI you can also upgrade disk capacity pretty easily with a couple of USB3 Samsung T7s. And you can have 2.5Gig network with a USB3 adapter as well. Beyond that it's probably not cost-effective to upgrade beyond 32GB of RAM and maybe replacing the internal SSD with a faster model
I've got one of these. When it came out my tower Mac Pro was starting to get near the end of its lifecycle. I didn't really like the non-expandible form factor, but I did have a move coming up so it actually was a convenient time to downsize my desktop. Served me well for 6 years.
Since OS/X no longer supports it (and I have enough other Apple hardware that I don't need it for that role anymore) I've tried various Linux distros on it. Currently it's just being used to test some stuff on Debian/unstable. Unfortunately display wake-up hasn't been reliable... Might be because it has an old 30" monitor connected via the Apple active mini-DP to DVI converter. I should try it with a newer monitor I guess, but then I don't know what purpose I'd have for that 30"er since nothing else I own can output dual-link DVI.
I'll look at trying the other AMD driver. I'm not gaming or anything on it so I don't really care about GPU performance but maybe it will be more reliable on wake-up
I own a 2009 cMP (all built out, of course) and have just relegated it to storage and Windows duty in favor of my 16" M2 MBP. But man I have a soft spot for the tcMP. I've been spending a lot of time browsing eBay for a dual D700 in great cosmetic condition. I'm going to upgrade the storage, CPU and memory and ultimately attach it to my TV to stream 4k movies from my cMP or MBP. The engineering is incredible and the design has actually grown on me a lot. I think Apple would have been better off expanding the size of the cMP but now that we're well past that point, it's tech well worth preserving and displaying.
The Trashcan, is the reason Mac Pro 5.1's held their value for a decade. It was Apple's biggest Eff You to the Pro User. It's also why most Avid workstations suddenly became Windows PCs. Anything that used PCIe cards, the Trashcan wasn't bought.
It's funny to think that this Mac became Mac Studio and people love it
I love the Trash Can Pros. Was hoping they would come back with Apple Silicon, instead we got the boring Studio
Many a trash can still running in professional situations running older but great software.
The trash can Mac is a perfect representation of Apple's current CEO.
Honestly, I use one of these as my main computer (I'm using it right now) and they're great. Severely underestimated.
I still have one because it is upgradable and I am able to run it as a VMWare ESXi host with a whole virtual network of guest virtual machines (including macOS, Linux, and Windows) running on it.
did you íntall VMWare on top of MacOs?
@@hanhnguyenvan3955 ESXi is a bare metal hypervisor so you need a small boot drive with that. Storage can (probably should) be on another device. You can choose whether to boot from that drive or another as usual with a Mac, so you can learn about VMWare ESXi and then go back to using the Mac normally if you want. It appears that VMWare has no plans to release newer versions for Mac hardware (they do not seem to have plans to support Apple Silicon), so I don’t know how long this will be an option.
Sick Kaonashi shirt dude, also sweet vid. That was a great use bazzite, will have to try this out myself.
I actually like the tube style form factor, though it unfortunately is very unpractical if it comes to installing hardware:
The cooling principle is quite clever, due to the fan positioning at least potentially quite silent, it doesn't take all that much free space and the aesthetics are quite good compared to the simple mindcraft style blocks we are used too otherwise.
Personally I prefer something even smaller that can stand on more than one end though, such as the ASRock Deskmeet X300 or a Minis Forum UM690 ... .
The big problem is that the cooling system inside is just not strong enough to keep it cool when under heavy load and that causes premature failure of the GPU(s).
Linux gaming has come a long way over the last 7ish years. I have switched over completly
"Silky smooth!"
visible tearing
You had me at "oft-maligned tube of hubris"
Note: it is stated that the memory is max 64 GB. This is incorrect: maximum it is 128 GB memory.
My maxed out Mac Pro has 2xD700 + 128 GB + 12 core XEON.
i think proton doesnt work for some titles because the vulkan the hardware supports is too old and proton uses calls of a newer vulkan. You can go around it if you try to install older or a lot older versions of proton/wine and or try to use opengl instead of vulkan. Then it might work.
PS: i had the same issue when i used the gtx 770.
Macbook pro fan or mbpfan is an app that i install on debian based distros to control the fan curve on Apple devices. autostarts with the system once installed and can be edited to keep th temps in check as well as can be with the limited cooling provided.
FYI you don't even need additional software, in Linux you can echo values right to the kernel space to increase the fan speed
cd /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768 || failexit "Apple SMC fan control not found!"
# set fan speed
echo 3000 >fan1_min
echo 3000 >fan2_min
echo 2500 >fan3_min
I actually like the trashcan, I know its got a lot of issues but its sentimental to me.
I play all my games on Linux these days I have yet to find a game I can't get to run . some require a little tinkering and figuring out which version of proton to work . I don''t think I have booted into windows for over a year. I love that Linux can bring new life to old equipment that might otherwise find its way to the landfill
I ADORE Linux running on Macs. My 2011 Mac Mini runs Arco Linux with MOST of the different window managers installed (I gravitate towards the floating window managers...). It also dual-boots into Debian with Cinnamon desktop when I'm just relaxing... My M1 Mac Mini runs Asahi Linux beautifully. Subjectively, apps seem more quick-reacting in Linux than in native macOS Ventura. Looking forward to more Linux-on-Apple adventures.
I got one cheap from auction all decked out for like $75. It’s been a proxmox node for a few years and still working quite well 🎉
Fantastic! It’ll be awhile before that Mac Pro will ever go obsolete under Linux especially considering the fact that the GPU has supported by open source drivers (of course the AMDGPU driver being the best of what’s available). I’m willing to bet you could use a dedicated GPU via thunderbolt or perhaps the M.2 PCIE slot that it has (that some have used for NVME SSDs).
it is weird to watch a video with the camera looking at a monitor on that exact same monitor...
I just purchased one the other day! An 8 core, 64GB ram, dual d700. It’s a beautiful and innovative piece of design which was both its unique selling point and it’s downfall. It’s beautiful IMO. Flawed but special.
The hard part its to get both GPUs to share the loads. I have same one than you i have a custom video card driver installed but i still cant share the loads. Always only one working.
@@estebanpavez3162 With the Mac os, you weren't actually using both unless an app was specifically made to use both. This gave an edge to apple apps like iMovie...
AMD crossfire is a thing on newer motherboards, I wonder if that Mac has a similar feature?
Great video!
I came for the old MACs and stayed for the Linux shenanigans
Thank you for resurrecting the under appreciated trash can. I can’t wait to see what you do next!😊
Tube of Hubris... Tube-ris... I'm sorry.
Its amazing how many people praise apple for their design forgetting they had more flops than successes. Love the video and the channel.
More flops than successes? If that were the case they probably wouldn't be so wealthy.
Actually this Mac Pro (predecesor of Mac Studio) is very good ( design wise (limited expandability) and performance) but the problem is the Intel Processor ( T-Case: Case Temperature is the maximum temperature allowed at the processor Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) ), so the processor is overheating during moderate-intense tasks and the GPU got affected due to ineffective cooling system (one main fan to cool down the hardware).
@ Despite that Mac Studio (Apple Silicon Chip M Series) consider the redesigned Mac Pro (Trashcan).
I’m unable to get my Mac Pro to boot from USB. I’ve tried numerous key combinations during boot, and I’ve even tried multiple USB discs along with different OS. But I’m happy for you, really.
the Mac Pro from 2013 was not stupid at all. issue is that people like PCI-E expansion inbuilt instead over Thunderbolt
The Doug score part got me good.
To run the last command you run using sudo, instead of retyping the whole thing, you can run "sudo !!" instead. This is known as "sudo bang bang"
I've been using this thing as a homelab for a few months now
64 GB of ECC DDR3 quad channel is a steal
That was legit awesome, gave me vibes of the keynote where Steve Jobs showed the Mac playing PlayStation games for the first time.
Is Bazzite utilizing both GPUs present in the Mac Pro 6,1 models or is it only using one GPU when gaming? Owning the D700 FirePro, I would need to know this to determine whether it is an improvement on Windows 10 running the unofficial drivers. Thanks
I'm running Windows 11 as the only OS on this kind of a machine and it works like a charm. System Shock remake works on a high settings. Love the machine
The favorite thing I love about you tubers is how they make polls. And then they decide to not go with the answer that wins. 😂
I've been rocking the Trashcan Mac until last year, I did try to use Linux on it before getting my current system however I was having graphical issues in Steam, Shadow, and in some games. The GPU driver fix at 08:12 was probably what I was looking for!
Im not a apple fan but i really wanted one of these and still do love the look of it and how small and compact it is
Thanks for the how-to video. I have a Late-2013 Mac Pro with 6-core Intel Xeon E5 that I would like to install Bazzite on. When I go to the Bazzite web site and attempt to download the .iso image, the "select hardware type" pull-down menu says: "coming soon" for Apple Hardware. Where can I find the correct .iso image?
The title you gave this video is the absolute BEST UA-cam video title that I've ever seen.
I have Ubuntu running on a 2013 mac mini just for web browsing and stuff, still works just fine.
I'm debating on weather to do this on my 2011 21.5 iMac or just keep OpenCore Legacy Patcher with Ventura.
Rofl, I really laughed at that "several days later" cut 🤣
Burst out laughing when i saw the title and had to check this out. Well played lol!
Retro tech and an XJ. I love this channel.
Strange, I was thinking about such a setup just yesterday.
Unfortunately, the dual GPU setup is not really supported. It would've been nice if they would've done it right from the beginning. Or if it would be possible to connect a monitor to each GPU and make some use of that.
"A pretty good value for the price"
Well .... I see them on Ebay at 500$ ad up.
For reference, I bought a brand new Mac Mini 2012 with its external dvd reader for 100$. Perfectly usable as a daily machine.
Not as so powerfull, but we're talking about a 10 years old Xeon or equivalent.
Have you considered water cooling on the TrashCan?
Custom heatpipes spiraling up and out with mini heatsink fins like little cthulu tentacles would be awesome!
I want this to come back with the new Apple chips, this is ABSOLUTELY the best design to showcase the capabilities of ARM.
How do the updated drivers function on macOS? Does Mac OS still boot?
He turned a trashcan into a "Steam"ed "Apple" by summoning blue mineralized penguins wearing blue hats into it.
The fact that Apple offers to recycle this for "free" while selling for $5500 on their site, shows you something. It also isn't compatible with the latest version of MacOS. Fucking embarrassing.
I got algorithmed in to watching this video and now I wanna buy a trash can to install Linux on an stickerbomb it. Nice job!
I had the same experience with a FirePro and Several flavors of Linux. Proton does not like FirePro, I tried several driver/proton versions. The same goes for nVidia Quadros, the professional cards all have issues. Can't get my P600 or w4100 to work in my LAKKA Retro build. But a ATI HD 6320 from 2012 works no problem first try.
it comes with a speaker too. kinda based good video.
You should get a Grouch muppet to put next to the Trashcan - he would be a natural. Call it the Grouch OS.
I wonder if Bazzite would be a good option for beelink mini PC's, I have the SER 5 pro and i think if windows ever BSOD's on me ill try this.
Ah yes, my favorite hardware reviewer, Moug MeDuro!
2667 V2 is the best CPU to use for this PC 8c/16t @ the fastest speed. I have one in my son's T3610 and it still holds it's own quite well.
I’m a sucker for youtuber callouts but man I love it when my nerdy computer content calls out my car nerdy content
oh effing hell that bit at the start had me cracking up!