When I'm writing long stories, I'll often have a general outline covering major events, and then divide those major stories into different "books." Then I'll go into each book, and work on the connective tissue and character developments between each major event. Then I'll start writing specific chapters. If I had to guess, this is more or less where they're at. They know the next 3 expansions are (for example) Meracydia, #shard, big Source event. But the individual stories, B plot, etc, likely aren't set in stone yet, and they'll probably make adjustments to those based on player response. Such as how much we see characters like Wuk, Erenville, or Zero, vs the scions, vs new characters.
Yeah, with this you can’t end up in a d2 Lightfall situation where due to a mandate of 1 expansion per year, the devs were forced cobble together and shove an entire year of content between two halves of a cutscene. LUCKY!
This is great to hear. They dont need to know the entire details of all of the expansions. Its good to hear they know what they want to do and so they can integrate the expansions better
15:51 - So the rest of the translation was good (or you reinterpreted it correctly) but here Yoshida was saying that we should look forward to changes in our jobs (classes) beyond what we could imagine. Not about Yoshida's role as a game director.
Casual feedback should be listened too, arguably one of the things the game lacks more in terms of content to do during big patches is casual content that you can join for like an hour and get some progress, as the normal tier of raid is more than completed and casuals dont do savage nor max their crafters they care about the game but sometimes diferent things . Still there is things that casual and hardcore players agree, at least in the discords i am, while we can disagree in things like dificulty or complexity i have seen everyone agree on things like the island being a disapoitment, jobs in the same rol feel too similar at times, some jobs just feel weird or boring right now, or that with the longer patches or the seasonal events being mediocre at best for a paid mmo.
Casual feedback is almost an oxymoron is the biggest issue. Most casuals aren’t expressing much to many places in the vast majority of cases. It’s more common for casual people to mention an issue to friends a few times in a discord channel or FC chat, but never much more, while hardcore players will actively find the places to express their opinions.
I love hearing about how they move expansions around. It was always interesting to me to hear that "Endwalker" was originally supposed to be 7.00, but he didn't want to drag zodiark and hyd out any longer and brought it up to 6.00 instead.
I really think they should have tackled job identity THEN battle content, not the other way around. The way they're doing it just makes the job identity wait worse, while new battle encounters are new battle encounters and so less to complain about. So it's like we're stuck with jobs they already KNOW are bad for another 2 years.
Before DT he said that they had a few routes in mind, weren't sure how players would react to various specific plot points in 7.0, and they were going to see how people feel about them before committing to a direction. I'm assuming that they at least had a grounded source-focused and grander multiversal (plus maybe time travel, based on interview hints) version of the story. I think the conflicting vibes between the first and second half of 7.0 were them throwing the starts of both directions at us and seeing which one most players preferred. I'm guessing they went away a scrapped 6 year plan with tons of grounded stories with various small cultures, and committed to one where we get a shallower look at a much wider range of places across the shards.
Yoshida says a lot of things. Sometimes they have plans up to 10.0, some times they just make things up on the spot. It just depends on his mood for answering the question but none of it is honest.
@@idowhatiwant3557 Given how meandering and un-focused the MSQ has been since the end of Endwalker, it's really had to believe they have anything more planned out for the next 3 or 4 expansions other than where we might be going. His assertions just don't come off as credible.
@@foxyfoxington2651The Endwalker patch story and Dawntrail MSQ had heavy focus on shard travel being a major plot elemebt and even the Endwalker 8-man raid hinted at it with the Heart of Sabiek bring hinted at coming from another dimension. There has clearly been a big focus on Shard travel so saying its meandering and unfocused is just factual wrong given that there is a very clear focus.
I just hope Dawntrail was an anomaly and the MSQ quality improves drastically from here. If not, I don't really care how many stories they have planned.
@@griggins I strongly suggest watching the CS in *any* other language. The writing still isn't to my tastes, but the VA makes it so much worse. The German voice made *that* papa scene feel like I was about to see the end of several characters then. Japanese, my usual, makes Wuk a lot more tolerable. I assume even French is better. Check some scenes out on YT, you'll not like the story, but see how poorly they did the English.
@notmousse I won't argue, I've watched comparisons and other languages are better, for sure. I didn't really mind the VA outside of Wuk by the end of the game, where I was really just sick of the character and wish she was mostly done after she became Dawn Servant with Koana.
I don't know why but I have a feeling that the story will not be as good. Judging from the fact Square Enix has been consulting and getting writing done from Sweet Baby Inc, and just recently removed themselves from SBI's clientele, I'd say this boat is rocky for me. I truly hope my comment ages like milk though.
Wait is it right that they were originally going to do ShB's before SB? Because I always heard that they were originally going to do SB before HW which is why there's all the SB emphasis in post ARR? Were they really about to push SB even further out?
@@growda1 ? Do you even play the game? The only acronyms I used were the expansion names which literally everyone uses every time they're referenced. If you don't know what they mean you don't play the game IDK why you're here man. Also just FYI it would be "too lazy to spell", but please go on about my grammar.
There was going to be another expansions between ShB and EW that took place in Garlemald. It is why so much of ShB's end game was very Garlemald related. And I doubt SB was going to be before HW. Because we were already very much going toward HW in ARR. But the were also building up SB.
no, shadowbringers and endwalker was a giant pivot from the story that was being told because people didnt like politics or something lol like look at the game from arr - sb, their storytelling was similar and then now the storytelling is major diffrent from what we got in arr?
"[...] the Black Mage's dealing ability was supposed to be stronger". I *seriously* doubt that Yoshi-P meant "stronger -than Pictomancer-", especially given what he's said about the intention for new jobs to be stronger. The text isn't completely clear, sure, but I interpret it as Black Mage was intended to be stronger than it turned out, though still below Pictomancer while Picto's still the shiny new thing.
That doesn't fit the design philosophy behind selfish DPS jobs. The trade-off being that because they don't bring raid buffs, they instead have considerably higher damage. PCT was meant to be high damage because it's a caster that has no raise, but since it also has a raid buff, it's not supposed to be higher than BLM.
15:00 - "That's because they care more...that's the feedback that matters" - No. And I love ya, Haps, but this is wrong. Other players ALSO CARE, and their feedback ALSO MATTERS. Hardcore people tend to be more mechanically focused and in depth with their feedback, but that doesn't mean they're the only people who have insight, nor does it mean only their positions should be heard as "mattering" vs others. Not everyone's articulate, but that doesn't mean their feedback isn't highly relevant.
Feedback matters depending on who you're sourcing feedback from and what feature. A top #1 Ultimate raider is a great person to poll for feedback on difficulty of the current raid tier and/or ultimate. They probably wouldn't be my first choice if I needed feedback on a casual feature like Island Sanctuary or this upcoming cosmic exploration. MMOs are such a deeply complex organism with tools to appeal to everyone that you can't sort just ONE person or group. That said, feedback should matter depending on the content. Just as I won't poll an ultimate raider on lifestyle content, I likely won't be asking a guy who only does 1 duty roulette a week about the state of savage raiding barring MAYBE how I could get him to try it.
Exactly, I don't think vocality equates to caring, casual players can care just as much as hardcore players, they just enjoy the game in different ways!
@@CaptnMarvelous Yeah, but that's types of content. When it comes to Job design, that covers everyone. For example, raiders say all the time they want SMN and RDM raises removed, since they don't enjoy them in their content as deaths often lead to wipes, and they don't like the damage raise tax... ...but conversely, casual players LOVE bein gable to salvage crazy situations in casual content (4, 8, and 24 mans) where they can really help out with combat raises and they don't care about lost damage GCDs or damage since there aren't enrages in the content they do. Both player types get the same Jobs. There's not a "raider RDM and a "casual RDM", unless you consider BLM the "raider RDM" and RDM the "casual RDM", I guess. So the Devs need to listen to both groups when it comes to Job design. Now, they could listen to the raiders say RDM and SMN need to do more damage/be tuned to hit harder, that's fine, that won't affect casual players. But removing their Raises, Vercure, and so on, things that casuals use and like to use, is a problem, as that's a big component of what these players find fun. Additionally, one problem with listening to the hardcore players is...that's how you get homogenization. Many of the things they want changed NOW will lead to Jobs being even more the same (for example, removing raise utility). Likewise, it was the hardcore that complained about buff alignment, as casual players use them haphazardly (or not at all) and didn't care, so that hardcore feedback ultimately led to the dreaded 2 min meta and player complaints about Jobs being samey. This is why everyone needs to be listened to, not just the hardcore players.
Feedback also only matters IF you post it in the right place. If you voice your feedback/opinions on twitter, youtube or reddit, don't expect your feedback to be heard.
@@SubduedRadical Both players get the same jobs, but the content design in this game, if you are a casual player, most of your jobs kit really does not matter cause you will never use it. The current result of job design from this interview, is due to feedback from HW, which is a sign that they have ignored feedback for 4 expansions now. THIS is the problem.
Funny you covered this but not the Australian interview where Yoshi P begged players not to retire, a quick 180 from his old go play other games statement.
@@idowhatiwant3557 He asked for a source. If you can't put in the effort to provide it, just say so. It doesn't even need to be a link. The name of the website that published it is already enough. Don't expect people to do the work for you when you throw out a claim.
He really needs to stop making such statements. Yes, he’s the lead dev, but he should avoid dictating to the players unless we’re out there breaking rules.
They have all 13 reflections on napkins, they are making the content for the arc of 7.1-7.5 which leads into 8.0, which they are probably done writing, and writing 8.1-8.5 minus some changes later, and then probably have some working on the general scripts for 9.0 and a general outline for 10.0. That's my guess.
@@idowhatiwant3557 I don't I've been here since 1.0 and this is what they started doing back then. Might not be exactly how they are but they talked about it back then, and it makes sense that they would get heavily above, plus with the 2020 pandemic it was probably easier to get ahead on story planning.
@@makaisenki During all the DT media tours and interviews Yoshi P went on record that they winged a lot of things. Which is why they feel comfortable winging this expansion onward. And no I am not going to go through all that crap to find where he said it.
please less cutscene word soup, and more telling story during gameplay... it's just not fun logging on, watching 2 hours of cutscenes and logging off when not caught up after all these years
Gonna call BS on this one. There’s no hook in DT’s story that made me think “I want to see where this leads in 6-7 years!”. If there’s some direction they’re wanting to go in then it’s absolutely critical they start giving it to us in the next patch.
We need content that everyone can enjoy and will last a long time to complete like Eureka or Bozja. Not these patches that take a day to complete and you're left with nothing else to do lol.
@@oddnightsky1367??? They aren't holding back forays just for fun? They are still building the content since they have a bunch of teams working on the game at the same time and on different aspects. It's not like they just have them on a flashdrive somewhere and are waiting until 7.2 to plug them in. Eureka was 4.25, Bozja was 5.35. These are huge pieces of content that take lots of time to develop and we don't know how many people working on it have to work on other parts of the game too. More content right now would be nice, but we live in a world with limits.
@@suros8105 That's fine, but it's also impacting the bottom line. If there's no longer term kind of content, then they're relying on raid content, housing, mogstation and devoted fans who will maintain subs indefinitely no matter what to keep the studio funded. Plenty of people got the expansion, did everything they wanted to do within a month, and have unsubbed until there's something they're interested in doing. 7.1 will add ultimate and alliance raids, but that kind of content caters to the people who were happy with 7.0. It's not going to bring a lot of people back, and if it does it'll likely be for a month tops. I'm personally taking a break to play FF16, SM2, PoE2, and MH:Wilds. That should line up with more things I want to do being added in 7.2x, and that's when I'll give the game a shot again. But if they had released one of those long term contents into the gane in 7.1, they might have gotten an extra $45 from me.
@@oddnightsky1367 Theres already alot to do at the start of expantion so idk. Fates,hunts,Crafting/Gathering EX/Savage raids. It'll be hard for average player to do these content if theres more.
@@phalangeesh Many probably including yourself say that soley cause of the MSQ. If you take MSQ out of the equation a lot of these expansions have been lackluster.
They had her write the DT gathering quests (which are great) but nothing else for some reason, she's probably working on some unnanounced Square project.
The game will be just fine, lol. If 14 can survive 1.0 and HWs raid scene, then I'm sure it will survive its story not hitting for the crowd who overreacts every time it doesn't land for them.
Some of you have really been living in an echo chamber of people who do nothing but complain about DT when most players liked it fine. Its literally going to be perfectly fine lol.
Jfc Happy, please stop with the 'only raiders' matter mentality. If that were the case the game wouldn't be sitting at the lowest ratings this game had ever had
Hopefully the next ones are better than post EW / base DT Edited to add "base" DT because lissencephalic ones thought I was talking about something that hasn't released.
Post DT doesn't even really exist yet beyond the same 8 man raid and 2 extremes that every expansion has had. Diadem 1.0 came in 3.1 Palace of the Dead came in 3.35 and expanded in 3.45 Eureka Anemos was added in 4.25 Heaven-on-High was added in 4.35 Bozjan Southern Front was added in 5.35 Dawntrail hasn't even had its 7.1 patch yet
This literally contradicts every other interview from yoshiP. During the build up to 7.0, he said many times that they don’t know what the next 10 year arc will be. That they need to create threads to pull on. I doubt that’s changed
I don't think it's crazy to imagine that before 7.0 they had at a bullet point list of possible directions and that in the 3 months after launch they've spent the time working out a lot of that future story stuff.
you do realize that it's a constant work in progress right? It's an MMORPG not a single-release game? The team is ALWAYS working on what's next. By now they probably have a base-line of where they want to go, now they fill in the fluff and stuffing inbetween.
@@wavypavy4059 I mean the build of to 7.0 they also said a lot of the previous expansions were made up on at the spot and they did not have a clear plot lined out. So why think they suddenly have a well thought out plan now? Yoshi P just says shit cause it sounds good to the playerbase most of it is not true.
Most of the time YoshiP just says whatever it is that he thinks the audience he speaking to wants to hear and interviewers rarely challenge him on it because they don't want to lose their access.
Please stop with this "hardcore players are the only feedback that matters" mentality, Happy. It's toxic. Your content is often great but you have this tunnel vision that only the opinions of raiders matter. To be honest, the opinions of players on the extremes should be ignored actually. The ultrahardcore elite 1% World First Raiders and the super-casual crowd who can't even be bothered to run content without the help of Trusts? Their opinions don't matter because they skew the data too wildly. Hardcore players won't be satisifed until every piece of content is savage-tier difficulty, and likewise ultracasuals won't be happy til they can just click one button and complete everything with no effort. Those two extremes cancel each other out, and therefore they don't matter in the grand scheme of what's best for this game.
So, another decade of being a babysitter, because EW/DT wasn't bad enough LOL They better bring in some new writers. I don't know if I can stand being a babysitter for 3 expansions in a row. It's a bit old.
Then leave. I never understand all you people complaining here. It is not like Square Enix is going to read all these comments and take note. Mentioning your frustration here really has 0 impact, so why waist your time to begin with? Just play another game.
It'll never happen, but XIV needs to shake up their endgame patterns. They should reconsider bringing back the stat materia (STR/VIT/MND, etc) but limit it to ONE slot on any gear. Merit points to allow us to augment our jobs. This will be beneficial for endgame for a little extra edge. Or gear augmentation where you can reroll gear for a boost to random stats/weaponskills. Have that cost poetics or second set of tomes per even patch where it would incentivize playing to farm tomes for more rerolls. Relic weapons should be closer in ilvl to savage weapons with each patch, but with a longer set of objectives to justify work = reward. Like clearing a current EX trial for a key item for upgrade also clearing unreal for another key item to boost the ilvl as something optional. This wouldn't negate the new open world content where we normally get relics, but it would be a step to get more people to do EX/Unreal.
@@1337penguinman My opinion is to have more relic kind of weapons. Relic that tied to specific content like chaotic alliance raid is perfect for this. Ever kill it can drop a material to upgrade your weapon.
Please keep RNG stats out of the gearing system. I dont want FFXIV gear to turn into an ARPG simulator where I constantly chase the the perfect rolls and simply get frustrated and give up after hours and hours that amount to nothing gained at all. FFXIVs gear being linear, boring and forgettable (statwise) is why I like it.
Stats Materia was an absolute disaster, and trust me when I say this. You DO NOT want RNG gear augmentation of any kind. It is not good for any game whatsoever.
@@xXLordYggdrasillXxPeople could just not try to meta slave so hard. The game's jobs and combat are in such a terrible place because of it. Balance has already taken away the fun and it's choking creativity.
Although AI gets a lot of hate, ChatGPT does a pretty good job with translation via copying and pasting the article and saying "translate this from korean to english:" The title (according to ChatGPT): "Yoshida Naoki P/D: 'With the story we are preparing, Final Fantasy 14 can last for 20 years.'" Though I am not sure how completely accurate it is, it cannot be worse than Google Translate.
Which is still better than your average poster or news headline writer. If Yoshida said "We are not adding loot boxes to the paid shop, we will NEVER have loot boxes to the cash shop." Then the headline writer would write "Final Fantasy XIV adding Loot boxes?" Then 5 paragraphs and 25 ads later you find out "Yoshida said 'We are not adding loot boxes to the paid shop, we will NEVER have loot boxes to the cash shop.' " Yay capitalism... You know about 40 reddit posters will read the headline and go to Reddit to say why they are unsubbing and Yoshida would have to make another statement as the cycle continues.
Okay, well I don't what Black Mages you're talking to but now that the dust has settled, most of the Black Mages I know still main the job. It was always a vocal minority that didn't like the changes. The problem is that they've lost their identity and need to be back on top for DPS. Picto just brings too much else to the table to be higher than them, and if FRU has any downtime at all, Picto is going to go right back to being insanely strong.
Most probably unsubbed. And it definitely was not a vocal minority, other wise there would not have been changes to address the issues that were brought up. But the old vocal minority is always the excuse of the ff community.
Most of the Black Mages I know (me included) changed to PCT. So what is the truth now? Anecdotal evidence much? What vocal minority? BLM players already where the minority in jobs before. But it's a cool word to throw around to appear of having the high ground in the discussion. BLM plays horrible even now. The problem is not just that it's behind PCT in numbers but also in fun because it is completely railroaded. The changes where entirely unneeded period. The job was perfectly fine and loved as it was before.
3 expansions from now and tombstones will still be capped at 450, jobs will be even more homogenized than the already are, and formulaic release schedules... boring
@@idowhatiwant3557 You really think there will not? This is THE cashcow from SE at the moment, people paying subscription, in game item, the whole list of of merchandise they have made. No matter if you are done with the game or not, SE is not done with this game.
I've played all of present DT content so far and I'm not pleased with it. Most of it was uninterruptable cutscenes or lackluster interaction with repetitive dialogue from a very small selection of characters that got stretched awkwardly between a set of dungeons (even a One Piece filler episode is more satisfying; this felt like Dragon Ball Super filler). It wasn't satisfying; it was tedious. The hardcore players aren't happy (classes feel homogenized), most of the casuals aren't happy (having to rely on older content to keep them busy, which takes the shine off appeal), and the ones that didn't care for FFXIV until DT dropped and suddenly gave it glowing reviews are never happy with the game unless certain criteria are met, and if this is considered a flop, this angle may not be approached again and that selection of players will ultimately quit to go play something else. They (the team) missed the mark on the opening of this expansion; they know this. I'm hoping that whatever Mr. Yoshi meant by his hint at already having the future written work for the next expansions already laid out means that the team can correct what they missed with DT and try to adopt the execution that made Shadowbringer so popular. I want to empathize with Mr. Yoshi, who has delivered incredible works before, and acknowledge that he was split between 16 and 14 and it's why DT felt the way it did at launch. It was a fumble, but it can be improved upon. We don't need "new direction"; we need stability and growth. I for one suggested using the 'dead zone of DT' [avoiding the name for spoiler consideration] and repurposing it to a Gold Saucer 2.0 that would make it feel like an extension of the carnival dungeon we got introduced to. Give it a reason to exist; give us a reason to dig deeper into shallow zones. It's one suggestion, but it at least offers more.
I wish your soul well. I wil not be joining you, if I ever had to talk to Wuk Lamat again, I'd pick up my PC and toss it out through my window. The story is only gonna get worse.
Ah yes, the critically acclaimed MMORPG, Papan 14
Free trial includes Papanward and Papanblood.
@@donnyyasu2764 and soon papanbringers
@@donnyyasu2764 and once youre done with those, once subscribed, you can head into Papanbringers, Papanwalker and Papantrail!
@@donnyyasu2764 ShadowPapan PapanWalker but the one that makes the most sense is just called PaPaTrail.
No papapapapopcorm?
When I'm writing long stories, I'll often have a general outline covering major events, and then divide those major stories into different "books." Then I'll go into each book, and work on the connective tissue and character developments between each major event. Then I'll start writing specific chapters. If I had to guess, this is more or less where they're at.
They know the next 3 expansions are (for example) Meracydia, #shard, big Source event. But the individual stories, B plot, etc, likely aren't set in stone yet, and they'll probably make adjustments to those based on player response. Such as how much we see characters like Wuk, Erenville, or Zero, vs the scions, vs new characters.
Yup you got it
Yeah, with this you can’t end up in a d2 Lightfall situation where due to a mandate of 1 expansion per year, the devs were forced cobble together and shove an entire year of content between two halves of a cutscene. LUCKY!
This is great to hear. They dont need to know the entire details of all of the expansions. Its good to hear they know what they want to do and so they can integrate the expansions better
15:51 - So the rest of the translation was good (or you reinterpreted it correctly) but here Yoshida was saying that we should look forward to changes in our jobs (classes) beyond what we could imagine. Not about Yoshida's role as a game director.
PaPan is the Korean way of writing FF. So PaPan14 = FFXIV
ffxiv in korean: 파이널 판타지 14 (Paineol Pantaji) = shortened into Pa-pan 14
Casual feedback should be listened too, arguably one of the things the game lacks more in terms of content to do during big patches is casual content that you can join for like an hour and get some progress, as the normal tier of raid is more than completed and casuals dont do savage nor max their crafters they care about the game but sometimes diferent things .
Still there is things that casual and hardcore players agree, at least in the discords i am, while we can disagree in things like dificulty or complexity i have seen everyone agree on things like the island being a disapoitment, jobs in the same rol feel too similar at times, some jobs just feel weird or boring right now, or that with the longer patches or the seasonal events being mediocre at best for a paid mmo.
Casual feedback is almost an oxymoron is the biggest issue. Most casuals aren’t expressing much to many places in the vast majority of cases. It’s more common for casual people to mention an issue to friends a few times in a discord channel or FC chat, but never much more, while hardcore players will actively find the places to express their opinions.
Give us more to do in early expansion patches. The raid isnt enough.
For real. I feel that doing the same things every expansion only on different maps and with long cinematics has gotten boring
what would you like?
I love hearing about how they move expansions around. It was always interesting to me to hear that "Endwalker" was originally supposed to be 7.00, but he didn't want to drag zodiark and hyd out any longer and brought it up to 6.00 instead.
I really think they should have tackled job identity THEN battle content, not the other way around. The way they're doing it just makes the job identity wait worse, while new battle encounters are new battle encounters and so less to complain about. So it's like we're stuck with jobs they already KNOW are bad for another 2 years.
They're doing the world soul saga!
We already knew this. He said before DT even came out that he ad the ideas for the next few expansions after DT
Before DT he said that they had a few routes in mind, weren't sure how players would react to various specific plot points in 7.0, and they were going to see how people feel about them before committing to a direction.
I'm assuming that they at least had a grounded source-focused and grander multiversal (plus maybe time travel, based on interview hints) version of the story. I think the conflicting vibes between the first and second half of 7.0 were them throwing the starts of both directions at us and seeing which one most players preferred. I'm guessing they went away a scrapped 6 year plan with tons of grounded stories with various small cultures, and committed to one where we get a shallower look at a much wider range of places across the shards.
He also said that they had no idea what direction they were going and they just make it up as they go…
Yoshida says a lot of things. Sometimes they have plans up to 10.0, some times they just make things up on the spot. It just depends on his mood for answering the question but none of it is honest.
@@idowhatiwant3557 Given how meandering and un-focused the MSQ has been since the end of Endwalker, it's really had to believe they have anything more planned out for the next 3 or 4 expansions other than where we might be going. His assertions just don't come off as credible.
@@foxyfoxington2651The Endwalker patch story and Dawntrail MSQ had heavy focus on shard travel being a major plot elemebt and even the Endwalker 8-man raid hinted at it with the Heart of Sabiek bring hinted at coming from another dimension.
There has clearly been a big focus on Shard travel so saying its meandering and unfocused is just factual wrong given that there is a very clear focus.
I just hope Dawntrail was an anomaly and the MSQ quality improves drastically from here. If not, I don't really care how many stories they have planned.
Just curious, did you listen in English, or another language?
@@notmousse English.
It wasn't an anomaly, considering quality of EW patches
@@griggins I strongly suggest watching the CS in *any* other language. The writing still isn't to my tastes, but the VA makes it so much worse.
The German voice made *that* papa scene feel like I was about to see the end of several characters then.
Japanese, my usual, makes Wuk a lot more tolerable.
I assume even French is better.
Check some scenes out on YT, you'll not like the story, but see how poorly they did the English.
@notmousse I won't argue, I've watched comparisons and other languages are better, for sure. I didn't really mind the VA outside of Wuk by the end of the game, where I was really just sick of the character and wish she was mostly done after she became Dawn Servant with Koana.
I don't know why but I have a feeling that the story will not be as good. Judging from the fact Square Enix has been consulting and getting writing done from Sweet Baby Inc, and just recently removed themselves from SBI's clientele, I'd say this boat is rocky for me. I truly hope my comment ages like milk though.
Wait is it right that they were originally going to do ShB's before SB? Because I always heard that they were originally going to do SB before HW which is why there's all the SB emphasis in post ARR? Were they really about to push SB even further out?
I did a Sh in a TB and Had SA because I was to Lazy to Spelll
@@growda1 ?
Do you even play the game? The only acronyms I used were the expansion names which literally everyone uses every time they're referenced. If you don't know what they mean you don't play the game IDK why you're here man.
Also just FYI it would be "too lazy to spell", but please go on about my grammar.
There was going to be another expansions between ShB and EW that took place in Garlemald. It is why so much of ShB's end game was very Garlemald related. And I doubt SB was going to be before HW. Because we were already very much going toward HW in ARR. But the were also building up SB.
@@growda1 your brain doesn't work properly
no, shadowbringers and endwalker was a giant pivot from the story that was being told because people didnt like politics or something lol like look at the game from arr - sb, their storytelling was similar and then now the storytelling is major diffrent from what we got in arr?
"[...] the Black Mage's dealing ability was supposed to be stronger". I *seriously* doubt that Yoshi-P meant "stronger -than Pictomancer-", especially given what he's said about the intention for new jobs to be stronger. The text isn't completely clear, sure, but I interpret it as Black Mage was intended to be stronger than it turned out, though still below Pictomancer while Picto's still the shiny new thing.
That doesn't fit the design philosophy behind selfish DPS jobs. The trade-off being that because they don't bring raid buffs, they instead have considerably higher damage. PCT was meant to be high damage because it's a caster that has no raise, but since it also has a raid buff, it's not supposed to be higher than BLM.
I still don’t like how we lost spineshatter dive
15:00 - "That's because they care more...that's the feedback that matters" - No. And I love ya, Haps, but this is wrong.
Other players ALSO CARE, and their feedback ALSO MATTERS. Hardcore people tend to be more mechanically focused and in depth with their feedback, but that doesn't mean they're the only people who have insight, nor does it mean only their positions should be heard as "mattering" vs others. Not everyone's articulate, but that doesn't mean their feedback isn't highly relevant.
Feedback matters depending on who you're sourcing feedback from and what feature. A top #1 Ultimate raider is a great person to poll for feedback on difficulty of the current raid tier and/or ultimate. They probably wouldn't be my first choice if I needed feedback on a casual feature like Island Sanctuary or this upcoming cosmic exploration.
MMOs are such a deeply complex organism with tools to appeal to everyone that you can't sort just ONE person or group. That said, feedback should matter depending on the content. Just as I won't poll an ultimate raider on lifestyle content, I likely won't be asking a guy who only does 1 duty roulette a week about the state of savage raiding barring MAYBE how I could get him to try it.
Exactly, I don't think vocality equates to caring, casual players can care just as much as hardcore players, they just enjoy the game in different ways!
@@CaptnMarvelous Yeah, but that's types of content. When it comes to Job design, that covers everyone. For example, raiders say all the time they want SMN and RDM raises removed, since they don't enjoy them in their content as deaths often lead to wipes, and they don't like the damage raise tax...
...but conversely, casual players LOVE bein gable to salvage crazy situations in casual content (4, 8, and 24 mans) where they can really help out with combat raises and they don't care about lost damage GCDs or damage since there aren't enrages in the content they do.
Both player types get the same Jobs. There's not a "raider RDM and a "casual RDM", unless you consider BLM the "raider RDM" and RDM the "casual RDM", I guess.
So the Devs need to listen to both groups when it comes to Job design. Now, they could listen to the raiders say RDM and SMN need to do more damage/be tuned to hit harder, that's fine, that won't affect casual players. But removing their Raises, Vercure, and so on, things that casuals use and like to use, is a problem, as that's a big component of what these players find fun. Additionally, one problem with listening to the hardcore players is...that's how you get homogenization. Many of the things they want changed NOW will lead to Jobs being even more the same (for example, removing raise utility). Likewise, it was the hardcore that complained about buff alignment, as casual players use them haphazardly (or not at all) and didn't care, so that hardcore feedback ultimately led to the dreaded 2 min meta and player complaints about Jobs being samey.
This is why everyone needs to be listened to, not just the hardcore players.
Feedback also only matters IF you post it in the right place. If you voice your feedback/opinions on twitter, youtube or reddit, don't expect your feedback to be heard.
@@SubduedRadical Both players get the same jobs, but the content design in this game, if you are a casual player, most of your jobs kit really does not matter cause you will never use it. The current result of job design from this interview, is due to feedback from HW, which is a sign that they have ignored feedback for 4 expansions now. THIS is the problem.
For some reason they remove content and call it simplifying the game. WHY?!
Weird, the algorithm did not show me this one.
If only blue mage was in 14
@@lvl21bellsprout92 it is
@@Struzzylive think he's being sarcastic. as in more of a role
I wish actual jobs were in 14 not just roles with different particle effects.
@@srey6710 well, if that’s true I’d like to hear it from them
A real BLU and BST would be nice. Limited jobs is a stupid idea.
i feel the same with dragoon. its feels super shitty to play now
Funny you covered this but not the Australian interview where Yoshi P begged players not to retire, a quick 180 from his old go play other games statement.
source?
@@aboundedsumo7984 Are you being serious or are you either dumb or lazy?
@@aboundedsumo7984 Read the comment again
@@idowhatiwant3557 He asked for a source. If you can't put in the effort to provide it, just say so. It doesn't even need to be a link. The name of the website that published it is already enough. Don't expect people to do the work for you when you throw out a claim.
He really needs to stop making such statements. Yes, he’s the lead dev, but he should avoid dictating to the players unless we’re out there breaking rules.
When Yoshi said that he has the stories already decided, I guess something written on a napkin technically counts.
They have all 13 reflections on napkins, they are making the content for the arc of 7.1-7.5 which leads into 8.0, which they are probably done writing, and writing 8.1-8.5 minus some changes later, and then probably have some working on the general scripts for 9.0 and a general outline for 10.0.
That's my guess.
@@makaisenki Highly doubt it.
@@idowhatiwant3557 I don't I've been here since 1.0 and this is what they started doing back then.
Might not be exactly how they are but they talked about it back then, and it makes sense that they would get heavily above, plus with the 2020 pandemic it was probably easier to get ahead on story planning.
@@makaisenki During all the DT media tours and interviews Yoshi P went on record that they winged a lot of things. Which is why they feel comfortable winging this expansion onward. And no I am not going to go through all that crap to find where he said it.
please less cutscene word soup, and more telling story during gameplay...
it's just not fun logging on, watching 2 hours of cutscenes and logging off when not caught up after all these years
Gonna call BS on this one. There’s no hook in DT’s story that made me think “I want to see where this leads in 6-7 years!”. If there’s some direction they’re wanting to go in then it’s absolutely critical they start giving it to us in the next patch.
We need content that everyone can enjoy and will last a long time to complete like Eureka or Bozja. Not these patches that take a day to complete and you're left with nothing else to do lol.
what's the point of saying this when they've already said they're adding a foray in 7.2.x several times now?
@@Zakjuhtbh I do feel they should add the forays earlier into the expansion .05 or .1 would be much better imo
@@oddnightsky1367??? They aren't holding back forays just for fun? They are still building the content since they have a bunch of teams working on the game at the same time and on different aspects. It's not like they just have them on a flashdrive somewhere and are waiting until 7.2 to plug them in. Eureka was 4.25, Bozja was 5.35. These are huge pieces of content that take lots of time to develop and we don't know how many people working on it have to work on other parts of the game too.
More content right now would be nice, but we live in a world with limits.
@@suros8105 That's fine, but it's also impacting the bottom line. If there's no longer term kind of content, then they're relying on raid content, housing, mogstation and devoted fans who will maintain subs indefinitely no matter what to keep the studio funded.
Plenty of people got the expansion, did everything they wanted to do within a month, and have unsubbed until there's something they're interested in doing. 7.1 will add ultimate and alliance raids, but that kind of content caters to the people who were happy with 7.0. It's not going to bring a lot of people back, and if it does it'll likely be for a month tops.
I'm personally taking a break to play FF16, SM2, PoE2, and MH:Wilds. That should line up with more things I want to do being added in 7.2x, and that's when I'll give the game a shot again. But if they had released one of those long term contents into the gane in 7.1, they might have gotten an extra $45 from me.
@@oddnightsky1367 Theres already alot to do at the start of expantion so idk.
Fates,hunts,Crafting/Gathering EX/Savage raids.
It'll be hard for average player to do these content if theres more.
What does the Tattoo on Sphenes back mean?
Service Eternal
Many souls
One heart
Alexandria
If you mean the text that's on her back, it reads:
Service Eternal
Many souls
One Heart
Alexandria
It's called a tramp stamp, turns out she's a 304.
live laugh love
@@WhiplashSL o I meant the tattoo. If it was text that would mean everyday someone had to rewrite it.
Been playing FFXIV since hward. They got lazy on story content for dawn trail, dropped the ball.
I;m playing since the start of ARR any I still enjoy it!
Oh boy, more Wuklamaxxing
Iv already stop playing. Probably won’t pick it back up again until next expansion.
k bye
Can't say I blame you. SHB, EW and now DT have been horribly boring outside of the MSQ (DT excluded that MSQ sucked).
@idowhatiwant3557 you could make an argument about EW and DT.
But SHB? Many including myself would say it’s the best expansion 14 has currently had
@@phalangeesh Many probably including yourself say that soley cause of the MSQ. If you take MSQ out of the equation a lot of these expansions have been lackluster.
Just PUH-LEASE bring back the main writer from Shadowbringers and Endwalker. I don´t think this game can survive another post EW and Dawntrail...
They had her write the DT gathering quests (which are great) but nothing else for some reason, she's probably working on some unnanounced Square project.
The game will be just fine, lol. If 14 can survive 1.0 and HWs raid scene, then I'm sure it will survive its story not hitting for the crowd who overreacts every time it doesn't land for them.
I think just having her perform a tighter oversight on the story is fine
Some of you have really been living in an echo chamber of people who do nothing but complain about DT when most players liked it fine. Its literally going to be perfectly fine lol.
@@Cue-Ball. i think she was working on 16 during development, but could also be doing something else
Just need better content, and of course story beats. We need like sub-classes or new systems.
Jfc Happy, please stop with the 'only raiders' matter mentality. If that were the case the game wouldn't be sitting at the lowest ratings this game had ever had
Next three choices. "SE scrambles to keep the player base" need money
Hopefully the next ones are better than post EW / base DT
Edited to add "base" DT because lissencephalic ones thought I was talking about something that hasn't released.
WE/RE NOT EVEN IN POST DT YET! You niggas are fucking annoying bro
Post DT doesn't even really exist yet beyond the same 8 man raid and 2 extremes that every expansion has had.
Diadem 1.0 came in 3.1
Palace of the Dead came in 3.35 and expanded in 3.45
Eureka Anemos was added in 4.25
Heaven-on-High was added in 4.35
Bozjan Southern Front was added in 5.35
Dawntrail hasn't even had its 7.1 patch yet
post dt doesnt even exist yet
Pretty sure they meant post-Endwalker to Dawntrail 7.05.
@@FF-tp7qsI don’t agree with them but I think they meant better than the post EW patches and the DT release.
This literally contradicts every other interview from yoshiP. During the build up to 7.0, he said many times that they don’t know what the next 10 year arc will be. That they need to create threads to pull on. I doubt that’s changed
I don't think it's crazy to imagine that before 7.0 they had at a bullet point list of possible directions and that in the 3 months after launch they've spent the time working out a lot of that future story stuff.
you do realize that it's a constant work in progress right? It's an MMORPG not a single-release game? The team is ALWAYS working on what's next. By now they probably have a base-line of where they want to go, now they fill in the fluff and stuffing inbetween.
Yoshida just says shit so he can say shit.
@@wavypavy4059 I mean the build of to 7.0 they also said a lot of the previous expansions were made up on at the spot and they did not have a clear plot lined out. So why think they suddenly have a well thought out plan now? Yoshi P just says shit cause it sounds good to the playerbase most of it is not true.
Most of the time YoshiP just says whatever it is that he thinks the audience he speaking to wants to hear and interviewers rarely challenge him on it because they don't want to lose their access.
Please stop with this "hardcore players are the only feedback that matters" mentality, Happy. It's toxic. Your content is often great but you have this tunnel vision that only the opinions of raiders matter. To be honest, the opinions of players on the extremes should be ignored actually. The ultrahardcore elite 1% World First Raiders and the super-casual crowd who can't even be bothered to run content without the help of Trusts? Their opinions don't matter because they skew the data too wildly. Hardcore players won't be satisifed until every piece of content is savage-tier difficulty, and likewise ultracasuals won't be happy til they can just click one button and complete everything with no effort. Those two extremes cancel each other out, and therefore they don't matter in the grand scheme of what's best for this game.
So, another decade of being a babysitter, because EW/DT wasn't bad enough LOL They better bring in some new writers. I don't know if I can stand being a babysitter for 3 expansions in a row. It's a bit old.
Then leave. I never understand all you people complaining here. It is not like Square Enix is going to read all these comments and take note. Mentioning your frustration here really has 0 impact, so why waist your time to begin with? Just play another game.
@@KAvanAlten Why waste your time replying to my comment? Just scroll past it.
It'll never happen, but XIV needs to shake up their endgame patterns.
They should reconsider bringing back the stat materia (STR/VIT/MND, etc) but limit it to ONE slot on any gear. Merit points to allow us to augment our jobs. This will be beneficial for endgame for a little extra edge. Or gear augmentation where you can reroll gear for a boost to random stats/weaponskills. Have that cost poetics or second set of tomes per even patch where it would incentivize playing to farm tomes for more rerolls.
Relic weapons should be closer in ilvl to savage weapons with each patch, but with a longer set of objectives to justify work = reward. Like clearing a current EX trial for a key item for upgrade also clearing unreal for another key item to boost the ilvl as something optional. This wouldn't negate the new open world content where we normally get relics, but it would be a step to get more people to do EX/Unreal.
I honestly disagree with this. Relics should continue to be tied to the field zone to incentivize that content.
@@1337penguinman My opinion is to have more relic kind of weapons.
Relic that tied to specific content like chaotic alliance raid is perfect for this.
Ever kill it can drop a material to upgrade your weapon.
Please keep RNG stats out of the gearing system. I dont want FFXIV gear to turn into an ARPG simulator where I constantly chase the the perfect rolls and simply get frustrated and give up after hours and hours that amount to nothing gained at all. FFXIVs gear being linear, boring and forgettable (statwise) is why I like it.
Stats Materia was an absolute disaster, and trust me when I say this. You DO NOT want RNG gear augmentation of any kind. It is not good for any game whatsoever.
@@xXLordYggdrasillXxPeople could just not try to meta slave so hard. The game's jobs and combat are in such a terrible place because of it. Balance has already taken away the fun and it's choking creativity.
Although AI gets a lot of hate, ChatGPT does a pretty good job with translation via copying and pasting the article and saying "translate this from korean to english:" The title (according to ChatGPT): "Yoshida Naoki P/D: 'With the story we are preparing, Final Fantasy 14 can last for 20 years.'" Though I am not sure how completely accurate it is, it cannot be worse than Google Translate.
Which is still better than your average poster or news headline writer.
If Yoshida said "We are not adding loot boxes to the paid shop, we will NEVER have loot boxes to the cash shop."
Then the headline writer would write "Final Fantasy XIV adding Loot boxes?"
Then 5 paragraphs and 25 ads later you find out "Yoshida said 'We are not adding loot boxes to the paid shop, we will NEVER have loot boxes to the cash shop.' "
Yay capitalism... You know about 40 reddit posters will read the headline and go to Reddit to say why they are unsubbing and Yoshida would have to make another statement as the cycle continues.
That is pretty accurate.
Okay, well I don't what Black Mages you're talking to but now that the dust has settled, most of the Black Mages I know still main the job. It was always a vocal minority that didn't like the changes.
The problem is that they've lost their identity and need to be back on top for DPS. Picto just brings too much else to the table to be higher than them, and if FRU has any downtime at all, Picto is going to go right back to being insanely strong.
Most probably unsubbed. And it definitely was not a vocal minority, other wise there would not have been changes to address the issues that were brought up. But the old vocal minority is always the excuse of the ff community.
Most of the Black Mages I know (me included) changed to PCT. So what is the truth now? Anecdotal evidence much?
What vocal minority? BLM players already where the minority in jobs before. But it's a cool word to throw around to appear of having the high ground in the discussion.
BLM plays horrible even now. The problem is not just that it's behind PCT in numbers but also in fun because it is completely railroaded.
The changes where entirely unneeded period. The job was perfectly fine and loved as it was before.
3:04 XD
3 expansions from now and tombstones will still be capped at 450, jobs will be even more homogenized than the already are, and formulaic release schedules... boring
Damn you think there will be 3 expansions from now?
@@idowhatiwant3557 You really think there will not? This is THE cashcow from SE at the moment, people paying subscription, in game item, the whole list of of merchandise they have made. No matter if you are done with the game or not, SE is not done with this game.
I've played all of present DT content so far and I'm not pleased with it. Most of it was uninterruptable cutscenes or lackluster interaction with repetitive dialogue from a very small selection of characters that got stretched awkwardly between a set of dungeons (even a One Piece filler episode is more satisfying; this felt like Dragon Ball Super filler). It wasn't satisfying; it was tedious. The hardcore players aren't happy (classes feel homogenized), most of the casuals aren't happy (having to rely on older content to keep them busy, which takes the shine off appeal), and the ones that didn't care for FFXIV until DT dropped and suddenly gave it glowing reviews are never happy with the game unless certain criteria are met, and if this is considered a flop, this angle may not be approached again and that selection of players will ultimately quit to go play something else. They (the team) missed the mark on the opening of this expansion; they know this. I'm hoping that whatever Mr. Yoshi meant by his hint at already having the future written work for the next expansions already laid out means that the team can correct what they missed with DT and try to adopt the execution that made Shadowbringer so popular.
I want to empathize with Mr. Yoshi, who has delivered incredible works before, and acknowledge that he was split between 16 and 14 and it's why DT felt the way it did at launch. It was a fumble, but it can be improved upon. We don't need "new direction"; we need stability and growth. I for one suggested using the 'dead zone of DT' [avoiding the name for spoiler consideration] and repurposing it to a Gold Saucer 2.0 that would make it feel like an extension of the carnival dungeon we got introduced to. Give it a reason to exist; give us a reason to dig deeper into shallow zones. It's one suggestion, but it at least offers more.
Ok
Please bring back the ascians has long has they were around they where more interesting than dt was this one is god shit big time
There's still four Ascians left.
@Levi_Skardsen true but still they were a better villain group then
1.0 was and will always be better. the game is good but after beating xpac. its mindless and pointless. content is too boring
1.0?? What? You're on some shit.
Bait used to be believable.
@@strawberrysundaes did you even play?
Biggest levequest fan in chat
You are entitled to your own opinion, but most people do not share that opinion. And they want their game to appeal to more people, not less
Can't wait to speak to Wuk Lamat for another 3 Expansions!
I wish your soul well. I wil not be joining you, if I ever had to talk to Wuk Lamat again, I'd pick up my PC and toss it out through my window. The story is only gonna get worse.