i dont think the game needs cactbot or act to to be playble or fun. however, i dont think SE should continue to stand against 3rd party software. cause the more they protest about it but not actually do anything the less serious they seem. Also the second they start taking action against the raiders using that software how long before the outrage makes them have to target casuals using Mare and the like? a large part of the enjoyment of the game for alot of people is enhaced by addons maybe its time they stop wagging their finger and find a new fight.
It's so wild that in this game, you can download all of these crazy zoomhacks, rotation bots, splatoon, you name it and absolutely nothing will happen to you unless you talk about it or stream it
THATS THE whOLE REASON WHY THEY ARE ON THE FENCE. They can't just target one section of the 3rd party use because it opens a slippery slope on 'waht is allowed and what isn't.. If they target act and cactbot, those attacked will complain about mare since it is also 3rd party. Either they are fully against, or they are on the fence. Being on the fence lets people with mare and cosmetic addons to thrive while allowing a necessary evil like act and cactbot. At least this way, the game wont turn into WoW where you literally cannot raid higher difficulties without DBM.
Their stance on 3rd party is pretty clearly analogous to speeding. Damn near everyone does it and so long as you aren't being blatant about it, nobody cares, not even cops. The moment you flaunt it (or a cop needs to go fishing), then you're done. You're getting pulled over, being issued a citation, and the cops will tell you not to do it again. It's why Yoshi-P issues a blanket statement about 3rd party tools: it's his job so he has to say it the same way a cop has to tell you not to speed. He can't exactly tell you go out there and break TOS so there's his lip service to it every other interview. And yeah, it really isn't all that important to them I think. Like, I might be wrong, but the only time I hear the ban hammer drops for 3rd party tools is when someone is dumb enough to have it out there on the internet. But realistically how much more important should it be? I don't think that means they'll ever create a white/blacklist of what is and isn't allowed because tech moves too fast and it is a pandora's box of testing. Is the shiny "xyz" not allowed or has the list just not been updated? What criteria are used for allowing a tool? Can a tool be updated to meet the criteria? Who vets these programs? How well do they vet them? The list goes on and on and on... And allowing all 3rd party tools might open them up to being seen as endorsing adult content or copyright infringement which I 'm sure they don't want either. At the end of the day, "no 3rd party" is good enough and I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill.
They should just stop being hypocrites and allow it once and for all. Cause that's what they already do, they just dont wanna admit it because the console players would say that this is unfair to them... but bro... If wou wanna install mods or what so ever JUST PLAY ON PC. That's how has always been in pretty much every game
Let's be real, nobody believes their going to stop developing new ultimates because of ppl using 3rd party tools. It sucks but literally the solution to avoid seeing automarkers etc in ultimates is to make your own static
@@leishuken no? no fight NEED markers, i cleared TOP/DSR without AM, you can solve everything with a conga, you dont cheat because you dont like certain design... ppl are using cactbot on everything even M4 now. the solution is to remove marking during fight so ppl actually learn how to do the fights
I don't think I've seen any fight that needs automarks to complete. The only thing I question is TOP p5 in party finder specifically. I cannot see a situation where pf can coordinate enough to do that phase without AM. But yeah the only way they are gonna stop 3rd party is to actually start going after it.
@@fernandocepeda1719I see your point but that is not the solution. That would only make fights more annoying for people who don't use cheats (just like with the ground markers). Cheaters, tool makers, etc are always going to find a way to do what they want, especially without an anti cheat trying to stop them. The community simply needs to stop allowing it, or as OP said, make your own static/pf and specifically state you don't want it in your party.
I think you hit the nail on the head early on in the video. The game from 3.0 to now removed many many layers of complexity or reasons that made the game much harder back then. Adding one or two of them back, or adding a small new level of complexity wont instantly brings us back to 3.0, but that seems to be YoshiP's outlook on it.
One thing I really hate, my experience with Apex Legends, my account got hacked, and the hacker played and cheated on my account. I retrieved my account back and changed the password, but my account has already been banned because of the hacker. I attempted to get my account unbanned multiple times, but EA still considers that I am a cheater, when it was the hacker who cheated on my account. So in the case for XIV, if this same situation happened, and I appealed when I did not cheat, they would permaban but despite my innocence.
I wished SAM was more satisfying to play. Be it through optional complexity/skill-expression/depth that can be applied to " All Content " vs Relying on how mechanic vomit something can be (which idc for) that is limited to " Savage/Ultimate ". Players aren't asking a PhD degree requirement to play Jobs, of course not... But it feels like were not even needing half a braincell to play a Job well now making Job mastery feel weightless & faceroll. Still sorta fun? but I wished we had crack cocaine addictive Jobs combined with great Content vs relying on Content alone with bland Jobs
On jobs I’ll say this: I don’t think they could make jobs substantially worse. I think they’re damn near as bad as they could be without being intentionally boring. That said, I will believe it when I see it. Also they better not wait until 4 weeks before 8.0’s launch to show off job changes. That’s the type of thing we need to see months and months ahead of time
You want Ultimate Raiders to be sponsored, when it's guaranteed all the top teams are cheaters, meanwhile CCWC would eventually have to play in-person, where the top teams would not be able to cheat to get their wins. I don't know, this kind of makes sense to me.
On Cactpot I really don't care. People will use whether the game is easier, harder, or stays the same. Some people honestly use it because of disabilities, particularly visual impairment.
You should. The reason why plugins (cheats) are so normalized nowadays is cause of the "I don't really care what others do" attitude. Once you cross 1 line it becomes easier to cross the next and that's how we got the current state of am
@@skcans but im curious, how does it effect you in particular? is not like you're in the same static at thoses people. thats why most people dont care. because it dosn't effect them. unless you're in the same static as them and you get butthurt about it then thats fair.
how about xivsim or mechanics sim. is that cheating? how are we as a community will reinfore not using xivsim. more than cactpot, being able to practice a mech multiple times before reaching it has way more advantage than any other tools out there
28:20 again that not gonna work, you know how this community is. there always that one sneaky ass hole. and SE not gonna buy the bullshit of oh we don't know he was using 3rd party, oh nono you gonna take strike and within 2 tier your account is under perm BAN cause you had 3 strike baby
I mean, they could at least add an overlay in the game that shows u ur own dps... I don't care about others, I just want to see how I perform, bcs I want to improve myself... As a ps5 player I'm not even able to upload my own clears to fflogs... I always need to rely on others...
I literally call out people using add-ons. We had an ex-static member who tried to get other static members to download cactbot, I told him he was cheating and that we don't use add-ons that make raids easier in the static. We had more issues with him later and ended up kicking him.
@Ra7eNzTH So the issues started after calling him out for using cactbot, but it escalated when he started acting like he was the raid lead even though he was the newest member, then progressed further when he started talking bad about us behind our backs to people we know. The people who he spoke to came to us and told us what he was saying, so at that point, we had enough and just kicked him.
@@alessandroalbino6549 largely a pf skill issue. can still be done without them. the experience is just miserable without because otherwise i'm gonna have to kick so many players for not being able to communicate mid fight in party chat
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Respect for Arthars editor, hope things get back to normal for you soon.
i dont think the game needs cactbot or act to to be playble or fun. however, i dont think SE should continue to stand against 3rd party software. cause the more they protest about it but not actually do anything the less serious they seem. Also the second they start taking action against the raiders using that software how long before the outrage makes them have to target casuals using Mare and the like? a large part of the enjoyment of the game for alot of people is enhaced by addons maybe its time they stop wagging their finger and find a new fight.
It's so wild that in this game, you can download all of these crazy zoomhacks, rotation bots, splatoon, you name it and absolutely nothing will happen to you unless you talk about it or stream it
THATS THE whOLE REASON WHY THEY ARE ON THE FENCE.
They can't just target one section of the 3rd party use because it opens a slippery slope on 'waht is allowed and what isn't.. If they target act and cactbot, those attacked will complain about mare since it is also 3rd party.
Either they are fully against, or they are on the fence. Being on the fence lets people with mare and cosmetic addons to thrive while allowing a necessary evil like act and cactbot. At least this way, the game wont turn into WoW where you literally cannot raid higher difficulties without DBM.
As far as I understand, modifying digital media in Japan is illegal, so they have to say they're against it
Their stance on 3rd party is pretty clearly analogous to speeding. Damn near everyone does it and so long as you aren't being blatant about it, nobody cares, not even cops. The moment you flaunt it (or a cop needs to go fishing), then you're done. You're getting pulled over, being issued a citation, and the cops will tell you not to do it again. It's why Yoshi-P issues a blanket statement about 3rd party tools: it's his job so he has to say it the same way a cop has to tell you not to speed. He can't exactly tell you go out there and break TOS so there's his lip service to it every other interview. And yeah, it really isn't all that important to them I think. Like, I might be wrong, but the only time I hear the ban hammer drops for 3rd party tools is when someone is dumb enough to have it out there on the internet. But realistically how much more important should it be?
I don't think that means they'll ever create a white/blacklist of what is and isn't allowed because tech moves too fast and it is a pandora's box of testing. Is the shiny "xyz" not allowed or has the list just not been updated? What criteria are used for allowing a tool? Can a tool be updated to meet the criteria? Who vets these programs? How well do they vet them? The list goes on and on and on... And allowing all 3rd party tools might open them up to being seen as endorsing adult content or copyright infringement which I 'm sure they don't want either. At the end of the day, "no 3rd party" is good enough and I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill.
They should just stop being hypocrites and allow it once and for all. Cause that's what they already do, they just dont wanna admit it because the console players would say that this is unfair to them... but bro... If wou wanna install mods or what so ever JUST PLAY ON PC. That's how has always been in pretty much every game
Let's be real, nobody believes their going to stop developing new ultimates because of ppl using 3rd party tools. It sucks but literally the solution to avoid seeing automarkers etc in ultimates is to make your own static
no, its to make a good fight, that dosent need it, good markers and indicators
@@leishuken no? no fight NEED markers, i cleared TOP/DSR without AM, you can solve everything with a conga, you dont cheat because you dont like certain design... ppl are using cactbot on everything even M4 now. the solution is to remove marking during fight so ppl actually learn how to do the fights
I don't think I've seen any fight that needs automarks to complete. The only thing I question is TOP p5 in party finder specifically. I cannot see a situation where pf can coordinate enough to do that phase without AM. But yeah the only way they are gonna stop 3rd party is to actually start going after it.
@@leishuken xeno viewer spotted xdd
@@fernandocepeda1719I see your point but that is not the solution. That would only make fights more annoying for people who don't use cheats (just like with the ground markers). Cheaters, tool makers, etc are always going to find a way to do what they want, especially without an anti cheat trying to stop them.
The community simply needs to stop allowing it, or as OP said, make your own static/pf and specifically state you don't want it in your party.
I think you hit the nail on the head early on in the video. The game from 3.0 to now removed many many layers of complexity or reasons that made the game much harder back then. Adding one or two of them back, or adding a small new level of complexity wont instantly brings us back to 3.0, but that seems to be YoshiP's outlook on it.
I find fascinating that Arthars have a thick accent in English but when he speak Japanese, he speaks like normal Japanese from Tokyo.
I mean it's an accent from another English speaking nation. In Singapore this is just how people speak English and it's the primary language there
I also find it fascinating that Americans and Australians and New Zealanders and English people speak English with such a thick accent.
One thing I really hate, my experience with Apex Legends, my account got hacked, and the hacker played and cheated on my account. I retrieved my account back and changed the password, but my account has already been banned because of the hacker. I attempted to get my account unbanned multiple times, but EA still considers that I am a cheater, when it was the hacker who cheated on my account.
So in the case for XIV, if this same situation happened, and I appealed when I did not cheat, they would permaban but despite my innocence.
I wished SAM was more satisfying to play. Be it through optional complexity/skill-expression/depth that can be applied to " All Content " vs Relying on how mechanic vomit something can be (which idc for) that is limited to " Savage/Ultimate ". Players aren't asking a PhD degree requirement to play Jobs, of course not... But it feels like were not even needing half a braincell to play a Job well now making Job mastery feel weightless & faceroll. Still sorta fun? but I wished we had crack cocaine addictive Jobs combined with great Content vs relying on Content alone with bland Jobs
While watching this, I went to check how many players already cleared the tier in ffxiv collect. It's estimated to be 4.2%.
On jobs I’ll say this: I don’t think they could make jobs substantially worse. I think they’re damn near as bad as they could be without being intentionally boring.
That said, I will believe it when I see it. Also they better not wait until 4 weeks before 8.0’s launch to show off job changes. That’s the type of thing we need to see months and months ahead of time
thats not a thing you can show months and months ahead of time when it comes to development
Omg, the chapter name "Yapping begins about Jobs". lol
You want Ultimate Raiders to be sponsored, when it's guaranteed all the top teams are cheaters, meanwhile CCWC would eventually have to play in-person, where the top teams would not be able to cheat to get their wins. I don't know, this kind of makes sense to me.
On Cactpot I really don't care. People will use whether the game is easier, harder, or stays the same. Some people honestly use it because of disabilities, particularly visual impairment.
You should. The reason why plugins (cheats) are so normalized nowadays is cause of the "I don't really care what others do" attitude. Once you cross 1 line it becomes easier to cross the next and that's how we got the current state of am
almost nobody uses it because of disabilities. the FFXIV community loves to virtue signal with things like that
@@skcans but im curious, how does it effect you in particular? is not like you're in the same static at thoses people.
thats why most people dont care. because it dosn't effect them. unless you're in the same static as them and you get butthurt about it then thats fair.
@@SuguSugux it doesn’t effect him, at all.
@@miatomi I literally have known multiple people that have used it for the reason I mentioned. But yes continue to speak in generic and stupid terms.
how about xivsim or mechanics sim. is that cheating? how are we as a community will reinfore not using xivsim.
more than cactpot, being able to practice a mech multiple times before reaching it has way more advantage than any other tools out there
is sprinting to practice cheating before race day ?
If they could revoke or prohibit people who use third party tools from receiving in-game rewards, that would be a pretty good deterrent.
isn't "absolute" refers to Ultimates?
28:20 again that not gonna work, you know how this community is. there always that one sneaky ass hole. and SE not gonna buy the bullshit of oh we don't know he was using 3rd party, oh nono you gonna take strike and within 2 tier your account is under perm BAN cause you had 3 strike baby
I mean, they could at least add an overlay in the game that shows u ur own dps... I don't care about others, I just want to see how I perform, bcs I want to improve myself... As a ps5 player I'm not even able to upload my own clears to fflogs... I always need to rely on others...
i mean if you clear the fight then you're doing good right?
Can't stop there have to ban for act itself all 3rd party is breaking tos after all.
damn just right click the page and translate
Start taking rizz xdx
arthars wants a communist game environment where you get punished for the crimes of your allies lmao
did this guy forget that yoshi-p said DT was gonna focus on encounter design and then the 8.0 expansion would focus on the jobs?
I literally call out people using add-ons. We had an ex-static member who tried to get other static members to download cactbot, I told him he was cheating and that we don't use add-ons that make raids easier in the static. We had more issues with him later and ended up kicking him.
So...what did he do before you guys kick him
@Ra7eNzTH So the issues started after calling him out for using cactbot, but it escalated when he started acting like he was the raid lead even though he was the newest member, then progressed further when he started talking bad about us behind our backs to people we know. The people who he spoke to came to us and told us what he was saying, so at that point, we had enough and just kicked him.
NAUR, the largest discord for ultimates in NA should be banned for providing people and encouraging the use of AM and other plugins
Bruh guess how I know you don't even raid ultimate lmao
@@epicfacesmiley I've done ucob uwu and dsr without plugins.
Try again
@@Raionhardt not in pf i bet
@@alessandroalbino6549 largely a pf skill issue. can still be done without them. the experience is just miserable without because otherwise i'm gonna have to kick so many players for not being able to communicate mid fight in party chat
Speeder ftw