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Infertile or unmarried women cannot access the ONE role the church makes available to them. Also, they cannot access it WITHOUT A MAN. This is the simplest and (IMO) most inarguable way to shut down any of TSCC's claims re: women and their position in the church.
Yup, that’s one of the reasons I finally decided to leave. Turning 30 in a few months and still not married. I was shunned in my YSA ward and repeatedly told that I must be broken, picky, or lack faith to not be married by now. People who had never had a conversation with me were making absurd comments about me I finally got sick of being treated like a second class citizen and left. Now I’m an almost thirty year old virgin who doesn’t know how to date in the real world. Ready to try though now that my dating pool has drastically increased and improved.
@@oddcheese6384my wife is an exmo (I was never brought up even around the LDS church). We met right before she finally left. You're going to be fine out there! I'm glad you recognize your worth 💪
I literally am listening to this while driving (don’t worry I’m not the one driving) and I just saw Sam walking down the street as I drove past. What a small world moment. It was serendipitous 😂
i found this channel about a month ago and i am just absolutely mind blown at the fact that you don’t have 100s of thousands of subscribers?!? how?? HOW?? you both are naturals! entertaining. informative. video quality is great. i have been into religious deconstructive content for years now and i genuinely don’t understand how i just found you guys.
What broke me out of Mormonism mentally was watching cult documentaries, especially any related to Scientology. Like, L Ron Hubbard IS 20th century Joseph Smith, and David Miscavige IS modern day Brigham Young, especially with the ways all of them treated women. The similarities are frightening really. 😬
Brigham Young is considered one of the greatest leaders in human history. Don’t ask me or any member of the church ask any competent historian Joseph Smith produced the book of Mormon and a religion 200 years old. I don’t know anything about Scientology and I don’t care because it hasn’t done anything relevant in the world except convert a few celebrities.
Topic idea: I don't remember how old I was but I'm guessing I was about ten or so and one of the activities for the young girls only was a session learning about geneology. Which is harmless in itself but they handed out folders and packets we had to fill out with our family history and the very first page was a clipart of a happy, smiling flower and underneath it it said, "grow where you are planted" and something didnt sit right with me as a kid when I read it. I didnt understand how that related to filling out family tree charts and I somehow knew it would be inappropriate to ask about it. as I grew older I realized it was telling us, the young girls, to know our place and don't think outside the box or have goals that arent aligned with church doctrine and stay submissive and focus on having a family.
Ohh that’s sad. Like moist eyed, hurts my heart. It’s unbelievable how many little subtle things, and not so subtle that build our collective and personal internal misogyny. I remember in kindergarten we had these workbooks and i drew a line to the woman in white- doctor and man in white-nurse. The teacher actually came to my little desk to check and see if I was understanding the assignment, made me explain that woman can be doctors, and still marked it wrong. I’m almost 50 years old now but I remember it like it was yesterday.
Brighamite Mormonism can be boiled down to: "have as many children as possible for us to indoctrinate, enslave, or abuse pls". I love watching exmo content and realizing that capitalism itself is a dangerous cult that uses many of the same manipulation tactics.
As a mother in the church, who has also attended other churches, I can testify that there is no care, consideration or honor for mothers in the church. Accommodations for nursing, diaper changing, the normal needs and activities of children, DO NOT exist in the church. Most other churches invite children into the main worship space, often focusing on the kids for a section of worship, but places are provided that recognize the needs of kids. Do you know how many wards I have attended where food is not allowed in the chapel, or you are shamed for leaving Sacrament Meeting. I dream of the Community of Christ temple where there is a room for parents and small children to participate and allow for everyone else to participate. Woman and Children are honors by word by not deed in the church!!!!!!!!!!
not to be rude, but thats not really any of our business. people have their own reasons for being involved in the church and its not our place to judge
Lots of Protestant churches pay a lot of attention to children. In my former church, there was lots of patience for kids being kids during the service. They were wanted in the service and were allowed to be themselves: sometimes loud, lots of moving around, etc.
@@lifeaccordingtotheo9643 I was unfortunately unclear - I haven’t considered myself a member since 2011. My husband is still active and the kids attended with him for many years so I experienced mothering in the church for years after I left . . .
As a mom and someone who worked in primary and activity day most of my adult life, the church does not prioritize or accommodate well for children! I started seeing it as soon as I had a baby and spent most of the time in the foyer or mother's lounge. The mother's lounges are tiny, and they all have the same really old chairs. The men would sit up on the stand and the moms were left to wrangle all the kids during sacrament meeting. I used to say that if the upper church leaders had to sit with their kids at church, it wouldn't be nearly as long. They took away the big fun primary activities they used to have when I was young. Then they changed the lessons to be less child-friendly. They used to include activity ideas and lessons that were easier for kids to understand, it's all the same lesson book now. My last sacrament meeting talk, I mentioned this and tried to give people ideas and Instagram accounts to follow that would help them teach their kids because the church wasn't helping.
For SURE. To add to your point, I have attended church in large, new buildings in the West where the church is large and thriving, and small branch buildings in Eastern areas where the church is small and struggling. The mothers lounge in the small building was....one of the stalls in the gross, un-renovated womens bathrooms had a wooden bench instead of a toilet. You could sit in there with your head touching the change table to breastfeed privately in a room full of old lady farts. I never would use it. I had two babies there and I breastfed uncovered in sacrament meeting despite the dirty looks. Once a woman came up behind me and threw a blanket over me without asking 😂. I always thought it was fucked up for a church supposedly all about glorifying motherhood as the highest calling in life treats new mothers this way.
I laughed at the jargon call-out for non-ex-Mormons. As an ex-catholic I’ve taken for granted that fact that all I need to explain most of the jargon to others is a Latin-to-English dictionary and an emphasis that it’s not considered “giving wine to children” once it’s been consecrated.
me seeing a Mormon say that theyre the ONLY ones to honour a female diety on the day of the week set aside to honour just ONE of my religion's goddesses is sending me.
28:53 the looks people used to give the loud children at church until the parent took them out of the chapel is all I can think about here lol so maybe the church should be more accommodating towards children... The children thing really triggered me because I witnessed so many times, first hand, seeing parents wrestling with their kids in the foyer and other members judging tf out of them for having misbehaving kids instead of offering to help them. Children are supposed to be seen and not heard in church. The quiet, obedient ones get praised and those are often times the kids that are being abused! Like it's so unhealthy, children are not the centerpiece at all and they are far from being protected.
My mother used a technique similar to “blanket training” in order to get my siblings and I to sit quiet and still during sacrament meeting. My mother would always gush about how everyone at church would comment how angelic we all were. It wasn’t til I was sitting in a therapy session with my psychologist at 36, that I learnt the way I’d been raised was actually abusive.
Honestly, a look at the most feminist and progressive Christian branches would be really interesting. I know the Quakers are pretty much the OGs of that but I've never done a deep dive
Yeah, I think also the Shakers, their founder and first leader was a woman. From 1772-1821, they were led by: -A woman, for 12 years -A man, for 3 years -A man, for 9 years -A woman, for 25 years They then had elders and eldresses for the smaller communities.
I'm Quaker, and we have had equal rights and treatment for women in our religious society since the 1650s. So yeah, there have been religious organizations that were feminist long before the Mormon church was even a thing. Also, Quakers believed that people of all races are equal, and they included people of color as equal members of our society since the 1650s as well. The Mormon church sure can't say that they were pro equality of people of color from the beginning of their religion, but quakers can say that. So yeah, the Mormon church is full of shit if it thinks it's the most feminist religious organization.
Amen. If you don’t mind me asking are Quakers gay friendly? I live near George fox university and last I heard they were not. If you don’t mind answering. Quakers always seemed so progressive until I heard about the university kerfuffle.
@@obiwan4820 "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them." - The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol 11, p. 269
@obiwan4820 And that is not the only quote I could provide, since other prophets besides BY believed the same. How about, instead, you provide a quote from any leader stating multiple wives is NOT required for exaltation? Or anything to comfort the Mormon women who were, like I once was, terrified of the prospect of going to heaven and finding themselves stuck sharing their husband for eternity? And, no, Pres. Oaks pausing for chuckles and admonishing us to trust the Lord doesn't count.
Before helping with children at my old church, I was required to pass a background check WHICH I PAID FOR MYSELF. They cost like $25. This is not a financial issue.
I can't remember if I paid for mine but I definitely got a background check when I started helping with kids at 18, and I grew up in that church. There is no excuse for not requiring background checks.
Topic Ideas: The intersection of leaving Mormonism and becoming more liberal (in the sense of thinking out of your societal group). David Archelleta’s new song Book review of a Ekhart Tolle book Best way to navigate the question, “why did you leave the church” with a TBM. What we can expect from soon-to-be-Prophet Oaks. Maybe take a poll of the biggest shelf-breaking history moments for people and cover them??
For a while all of my comments were being automatically deleted by UA-cam because I was using a VPN. It can be very mysterious why a comment gets deleted.
@@arielrodriguez968 me too. I’m frankly surprised, they grew up pretty atheistic. Reading Christopher Hitchens in middle school. I think they enjoy the community and it seems to me that this church practices or understand their faith in more intellectual way.
@@AndImsomelady I’m the same way! I grew up in an atheist household, my parents handed me atheist lit in high school. And tomorrow I’m going to officially be baptized in the Catholic Church because I found exactly 1 very LGBT affirming Catholic parish. This group also understands spirituality and religion in an intellectual way. Your daughter is so lucky to have a kind and supportive parent 💕
As a disabled lesbian, with genetic disabilities, who barely manages to take care of myself, I think it might be a bad idea to get married to a man and have kids. 😂
Our kids primary teachers hated us because we attended classes with them so they were never alone. There is child safety training with basic things like don't go into the classroom with the kids alone, wait until your co-teacher is there. Don't escort children to the washrooms, get their parents. Parents drop kids off and pick them up from class. None of this was followed. We did the safety training and have background checks as teachers and sat in class with our kids. The one teacher used to slam the door in our faces. They didnt teach the lesson anyways they just handed out sugar. Even my 8yr old called them out on it. Glad to be OUT!!
30:23 The children’s sermon is something that they did in the churches I went to every year. I don’t know if they did it every Sunday or if it was just on Christmas and Easter. The pastor would invite the kids up to the front and talk to them directly and have a little discussion about the lesson. This was in a Lutheran church. I’m curious if other churches did that? Also do other churches have Sunday school where the kids usually have their class during the time that the adults are at the church service?
I was raised Catholic & have attended many services in many other mainline Christian denominations. They do this EVERYWHERE. Sometimes they might only do it at one of the Sunday services designated the “family service” or something, sometimes the kids are invited to go to a separate “children’s gospel” in the nursery room with trained & background-checked people, and sometimes it’s just integrated into primary worship. But there’s a version of it literally everywhere. When Mormons do it, they’re not special.
25:49 As opposed to what? All the other organizations that downplay and degrade motherhood? Which organizations are those? and has she ever been part of any other organization outside of the LDS church? I feel like we are working with a limited frame of reference here lol Edit to add: as I continued to watch the video Sam went into this lol
Did a little digging, and some of the board of directors for Scripture Central either were or currently are General Authority Seventies (Larry Wilson is a notable example). You also have Mike Hutchings, a trustee for the Ensign Peak Foundation. There are TONS of connections between ScripturePlus and the Mormon church; it'd be silly to think the church isn't influencing them at all. Fun fact: one guy from the board of directors, Dave Jenkins, is in a stake presidency and was the CEO of Conservice; while I worked there, he gave us "management training" that discussed the benefits of slavery. Not even kidding.
Love a good apologetics reaction! Would y’all ever consider making a vid about kwakus responses\church view from Carahs video with him? I’m curious your thoughts!
34:44 So the question i have is: If you criticise that background checks aren't thorough enough, what exactly stops you from implementing a stricter background check within your church?! You CAN ask them more questions. You might not legally get more information than the applicants are willing to share (beyond the regular background check), but you CAN ask more questions and vet them. That's a responsibility YOU have to take, not wait until someone forces you to do it.
Do an animated episode where you have a white salamander as a guest co-host. We all need to know what the white salamander has to say, perhaps some modern-day revelation.
One lf my best friends works for Scripture Central. The LDS Chursch doesnt pay them. They get private funding from wealthy donors, but they also get the unofficial church endorsements.
Authority, in any religion, begins and ends with those who interpret the word of God, period. If a woman can't become prophet (the only LDS position that interprets the word of God), then women, by definition, have zero power/authority in the LDS church. Spinning narratives aimed to confuse the faithful doesn't change this simple fact. Cheers.
It seems to me that she enjoys the idea "I can trust the men who are in charge of my religion", it gives her emotional comfort and she's doing whatever she can to protect that idea in her own mind
What do you think is the church’s REAL reason for not wanting background checks? It would be harder to fill all of the callings related to youth/children? It would make them look bad to see people in callings fail a background check? I’m a teacher and can’t imagine not having to pass one to work in schools
As a young adult, I ended up serving in the nursery (18 months to 3 year old children's primary class) because I was a wishy washy Mormon and didn't go every week. I had to have a calling so they gave me the lowest one they had. It's considered a 'calling' but it becomes pretty clear they just put people in there that they don't know what else to do with. I was also a nursery worker when I was older and my kids were in primary, that time was because my spouse was a non-member, I didn't have the right faithful family to teach anything else or have any calling with responsibility. I hated it and it's part of what made me completely stop attending.
Ngl his video was pretty shocking to me when it came to the discussion of sa. I've never attended any church, let alone the lds church, so I didn't know anything about this. You're telling me that people who work with children don't have background checks? And it's like normal? And the fact that the church doesn't have mandatory reporting laws so that guy could assault his children for years even though his bishop was aware of the abuse... That's some horrible stuff. No wonder that woman (sorry I don't remember her name) tries to justify it with the craziest stuff because this literally can not be justified. Yeah that's just sad and I hope that things will change. Also, on a lighter note, Banksy is so cute! I love it when he joins your videos)
@@ericstormdragon3534 I've read that "In Utah, mandatory reporting laws make everyone responsible for reporting child abuse, with just a few exceptions. Those exceptions exists for clergy who learn about child abuse or neglect from a perpetrator while acting in a ministerial role. The goal of this exception in Utah, and similar exceptions in other states, is to protect priest-penitent privilege, but the result is child abusers flying under the radar of law enforcement and victims suffering." If that's true, it's pretty messed up anyway
I think it comes down to this: when people question their religion they can go down two paths "THIS isn't the answer, perhaps there isn't AN answer to everything" or "THIS isn't the answer, so this other thing must be" I think many of us end up traveling down both those paths at some point. But some people just can't let go of the idea that there has to be a rulebook for the universe and a simple answer to every question.
So what of single women then. It just never worked for me and though I'm not mormon I do feel that I'm left out of a lot of this type of thinking. In life in general single people are so ignored and thought little of though we usually give a lot to life in other ways. CC 🇮🇪 ireland ps adore your humour and take on all things ridiculous. As a historian I love delving into facts and am flabbergasted that Mormons can be so convinced ignorant and accepting of such a very dodgy foundation. And please let me know which God department deals with their investments I could do with a billion or 30!
Yes. Single people are largely ignored. Even by government. I work a full time job and live in the cheapest living situation I could find and I still can’t afford groceries on top of all of my other expenses. In Utah you don’t qualify for any help with food (that I have managed to find) unless you’re disabled or a parent. I want to be a mother someday but it would be incredibly irresponsible of me to consider bringing a child into a situation where I can’t even feed myself. Yet, the church still tells us that if we have to choose between buying groceries and paying tithing, we should pay tithing. What BS. Go ahead and starve but make sure you give us our money first. And as a single person with a full-time job, if you ask the bishop for help they just tell you no. You can’t get help from the church or from the food bank because you don’t have kids. Single people struggle too. The church does not care about its people. Especially single women.
If "Priesthood" is to men as "Motherhood" is to women, then quite literally the church and its apologists are saying the ability to exercise leadership authority equates to biologic traits and functions. Apply this rationale to other biological traits and functions... Boil it down, you get this: the qualifications to be eligible for authority within the institution are determined by chromosomal and genetic traits that develop in utero. Simultaneously, all individuals who have the potential for a specific biological function which benefits the population are obligated to perform that function. The institution then tells all individuals who participate that these traits and functions are a.)divinely created and b.)in every way must dictate choices and actions in this life, and c.)they determine your status and rewards in your afterlife. Aka, "different roles, but equally important". Things get wild when you start applying them to other biological traits and functions that aren't sex and gender. For example, let’s use blood type. Imagine if the LDS church taught that our loving, omnipotent Heavenly Father gives his power and authority to govern only to individuals with the B+ blood type because blood type is an eternal part of everyone's identities and Heavenly Father himself has the B+ blood type. In conjunction with the "ordained" governing structure, individuals who have O- blood have the divine obligation to donate as many pints of blood as they can possibly manage, and it is imperitive they give absolutely the maximum amount possible even to the detriment of their physical health and regardless of how they feel about needles. Extend the example a little farther, what if the church said it was a significant sin to give or receive bone marrow transplants because that alters an individual's blood type, and that it is better to suffer and die rather than to give or receive bone marrow transplants. In the afterlife those with B+ blood who used their power the way God would use it are rewarded with attaining his status. Those with O- blood who did what they were supposed to are rewarded with eternally continuing to donate blood. P.S., ignore people who say there are other blood types beyond B+ and O-, people who say there are other blood types or reject the authority given to those with B+ blood are corrupted, or at least under the influence of, Satan himself. When you use the stated justification the church and apologists give, then apply their system to other biological traits and functions, it illustrates how absurd, arbitrary, and dangerous it all is...
I did see that on the day of the vanishing comments, Instagram's account for itself was getting people complaining about deleted or hidden comments, so I think it really was an Instagram issue, but I'm not sure how comments get hidden and all that.
@@ZelphOntheShelf yeah it was weird that NYT said Meta said there was no glitch. Maybe it wasn't so much a glitch as just that Meta is deliberately hiding comments. After all they have thing where you can decide how much political content you want to see on Instagram.
My nevermo coworker actually recommended y'all to me today when we were talking about exmormon stuff at work. She loves this kind of stuff. I honestly can't think of a good mormon apologetic argument, but I did want to say that your cat just chilling while y'all talk is giving me life. He's such a cute boy.
I wasn't watching this on full screen, and as Tanner showed the visual representation of the churches hierarchy, at first glance I thought it was all the same old white dude 🤣
Hey! I thought of a suggestion for a video, if you’re interested in it at all. Something about twilight and its racist and sexist connections to Mormonism! It’s a video I’ve wanted to make but don’t have the energy haha, I’m sure yall would do it justice
I love this idea, and propose taking it to it's logical conclusion, which is a discussion about the Twilight fanfiction "50 shades" and how absolutely bonkers that nonsense/crime against the English language is...
10:24 it just hit me that this argument of “women can’t procreate without a man, men can’t use the priesthood without women” is only saying “men need someone to oppress in order to to be saved” 😂😂😂😂
Why are there dinosaur fossils from 50 million years ago if the Earth is 6000 years old? I used to believe this was because the Earth was "organized" from other destroyed worlds and maybe there were dinosaurs there before haha. Wow, so scientific!
The earth is very old. God used science, indeed IS science to create the earth over millions of years. God's biblical interaction with the earth is perhaps around 6000 years. Just my idea.
"Treating children like something you have to accommodate for" .... like? You do? Like you have to accommodate for people who have different needs? Like her using accommodate as a bad word is extremely clarifying- having to look at individual needs is a bad thing in her mind- its only good if everyone fits in the box and are treated like they fit in the box
I grew up in a UU church and I really loved my experience there. They had us there for part of the main sermon but because we had limited attention with things that weren't geared towards us, they had us in a class where we learned about all the major world religions and morality and some history of the church. It was very fun and informative. When i got older, I realized I was an agnostic atheist but no hard feelings towards UU, they started a lifelong fascination with music and world religions.
Why can't I worship Heavenly Mother then, ma'am? Edit: TBH, I don't really get the whole push for "I must prove this overtly patriarchal religion is feminist." Come on. Edit #2: Children absolutely need to be accommodated for, what the hell is she talking about? I haven't seen the inside of every or even most Mormon buildings, but the ones I have seen don't scream "child friendly" to me? I would've been just as bored there as I was when I went to Catholic mass as a child. The world is largely /not/ built with children in mind. Or parents for that matter.
I always found it super interesting while at byuh that for an institution that constantly tells its students to have children at any cost they have very few systems for supporting young parents trying to finish school.
I am curious why the sacrament uses water, in my old (baptist) church they interpreted 'wine' to be grape juice for most of the mentions in the Bible, and therefore communion was grape juice and crackers
28:50 if children are the centerpiece of church, why were the children at my church carted off to another room for sunday school so they wouldn't disrupt the important *actual* church service with the sermon for the adults??
idea 💡 for a show or short topic 💡 why was JS tarred and feathered ⚫️🪶⚫️🪶⚫️🪶 the church pov v the actual story. my hubby asked me about it, i had heard of it but knew very little. the whole thing is kind of interesting 🧐
I cannot believe the argument about background checks for people working with kids ........ she must just be repeating things and not fully thinking about what she's saying
Is dropping the "h" in "priesthood" a feature of American accents in general, or is it more of a Utah thing that has become more common for Mormons elsewhere too? I can't remember ever hearing people pronounce it that way unless they're talking about Mormonism.
Topic idea: Sound of Freedom movie and the sneaky Mormon influences!! There is so much Mormon stuff in the background from Angel Studios and Tim Ballard 😮
even the most benevolent allies will come short of their goal if they are still talking *about the group they seek to empower. so having all these apologetics means nothing if women aren’t leading out in the rituals, meetings, etc.
As a result of this conditioning, is it any wonder that young women rush to marriage and motherhood, as the only option to buy respect and status? And thrn when even that depreciates, the resentment builds.
Reach out if you want me to detail all of the financial connections between scripture central and the More Good Foundation & LDS church. It's complicated. Most of the funds come from wealthy members who may be encouraged to donate directly to scripture central. The finances are not public and not transparent.
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Thanks for not chasing off your cat! What a handsome beast.
the contented eye-squint
I can’t think of anything that makes sex sound grosser and dirtier than carnal intercourse.
Infertile or unmarried women cannot access the ONE role the church makes available to them. Also, they cannot access it WITHOUT A MAN. This is the simplest and (IMO) most inarguable way to shut down any of TSCC's claims re: women and their position in the church.
Yup, that’s one of the reasons I finally decided to leave. Turning 30 in a few months and still not married. I was shunned in my YSA ward and repeatedly told that I must be broken, picky, or lack faith to not be married by now. People who had never had a conversation with me were making absurd comments about me I finally got sick of being treated like a second class citizen and left. Now I’m an almost thirty year old virgin who doesn’t know how to date in the real world. Ready to try though now that my dating pool has drastically increased and improved.
@oddcheese6384 good luck dating! You clearly know your worth; others will see it too!
@@Tarlondwenthank you for your support and kind words! ❤
@@oddcheese6384my wife is an exmo (I was never brought up even around the LDS church). We met right before she finally left.
You're going to be fine out there! I'm glad you recognize your worth 💪
And let me guess, being infertile is the womans fault for not praying right or something. Even if the man is the one with the medical problem
I literally am listening to this while driving (don’t worry I’m not the one driving) and I just saw Sam walking down the street as I drove past. What a small world moment. It was serendipitous 😂
WHAT!!!!! Omg
Hell of a spring walk!
@@ZelphOntheShelf THE WAY MY JAW DROPPED and I did a complete double take
i found this channel about a month ago and i am just absolutely mind blown at the fact that you don’t have 100s of thousands of subscribers?!? how?? HOW??
you both are naturals! entertaining. informative. video quality is great.
i have been into religious deconstructive content for years now and i genuinely don’t understand how i just found you guys.
THATS SO NICE 💖💖💖
I agree, it's a brilliant channel.
Love the cat just fully vibing out right in front lol
Banksy is a legend!
the harness juxtaposed with the spring green cardigan is *chefs kiss*
Haha yesssss
agreed. I suddenly feel more justified in wearing my harness in corporate situations like I do.
“And I think that applies to women too” Tanner is the true feminist
Such an ally
What broke me out of Mormonism mentally was watching cult documentaries, especially any related to Scientology. Like, L Ron Hubbard IS 20th century Joseph Smith, and David Miscavige IS modern day Brigham Young, especially with the ways all of them treated women. The similarities are frightening really. 😬
Yesssss same!!!
Brigham Young is considered one of the greatest leaders in human history. Don’t ask me or any member of the church ask any competent historian Joseph Smith produced the book of Mormon and a religion 200 years old. I don’t know anything about Scientology and I don’t care because it hasn’t done anything relevant in the world except convert a few celebrities.
It’s almost a clique but the second person in charge always becomes the strong man tyrant.
@@ZelphOntheShelfCan you list a few documentaries for us?
List a few good documentaries for us😊
Topic idea: I don't remember how old I was but I'm guessing I was about ten or so and one of the activities for the young girls only was a session learning about geneology. Which is harmless in itself but they handed out folders and packets we had to fill out with our family history and the very first page was a clipart of a happy, smiling flower and underneath it it said, "grow where you are planted" and something didnt sit right with me as a kid when I read it. I didnt understand how that related to filling out family tree charts and I somehow knew it would be inappropriate to ask about it. as I grew older I realized it was telling us, the young girls, to know our place and don't think outside the box or have goals that arent aligned with church doctrine and stay submissive and focus on having a family.
Oof
Ohh that’s sad. Like moist eyed, hurts my heart. It’s unbelievable how many little subtle things, and not so subtle that build our collective and personal internal misogyny. I remember in kindergarten we had these workbooks and i drew a line to the woman in white- doctor and man in white-nurse. The teacher actually came to my little desk to check and see if I was understanding the assignment, made me explain that woman can be doctors, and still marked it wrong. I’m almost 50 years old now but I remember it like it was yesterday.
Nah, man, f*** where I was planted! I'm gonna grow where I can actually be happy!
Brighamite Mormonism can be boiled down to: "have as many children as possible for us to indoctrinate, enslave, or abuse pls". I love watching exmo content and realizing that capitalism itself is a dangerous cult that uses many of the same manipulation tactics.
As a mother in the church, who has also attended other churches, I can testify that there is no care, consideration or honor for mothers in the church. Accommodations for nursing, diaper changing, the normal needs and activities of children, DO NOT exist in the church. Most other churches invite children into the main worship space, often focusing on the kids for a section of worship, but places are provided that recognize the needs of kids. Do you know how many wards I have attended where food is not allowed in the chapel, or you are shamed for leaving Sacrament Meeting. I dream of the Community of Christ temple where there is a room for parents and small children to participate and allow for everyone else to participate. Woman and Children are honors by word by not deed in the church!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you still there?? ❤
not to be rude, but thats not really any of our business. people have their own reasons for being involved in the church and its not our place to judge
Lots of Protestant churches pay a lot of attention to children. In my former church, there was lots of patience for kids being kids during the service. They were wanted in the service and were allowed to be themselves: sometimes loud, lots of moving around, etc.
@@lifeaccordingtotheo9643 I was unfortunately unclear - I haven’t considered myself a member since 2011. My husband is still active and the kids attended with him for many years so I experienced mothering in the church for years after I left . . .
@@tearose26 Glad to hear your kids are safely out!! Thats the best kind of mothering. Get those babies safely out of that environment.
As a mom and someone who worked in primary and activity day most of my adult life, the church does not prioritize or accommodate well for children! I started seeing it as soon as I had a baby and spent most of the time in the foyer or mother's lounge. The mother's lounges are tiny, and they all have the same really old chairs. The men would sit up on the stand and the moms were left to wrangle all the kids during sacrament meeting. I used to say that if the upper church leaders had to sit with their kids at church, it wouldn't be nearly as long.
They took away the big fun primary activities they used to have when I was young.
Then they changed the lessons to be less child-friendly. They used to include activity ideas and lessons that were easier for kids to understand, it's all the same lesson book now. My last sacrament meeting talk, I mentioned this and tried to give people ideas and Instagram accounts to follow that would help them teach their kids because the church wasn't helping.
For SURE. To add to your point, I have attended church in large, new buildings in the West where the church is large and thriving, and small branch buildings in Eastern areas where the church is small and struggling.
The mothers lounge in the small building was....one of the stalls in the gross, un-renovated womens bathrooms had a wooden bench instead of a toilet. You could sit in there with your head touching the change table to breastfeed privately in a room full of old lady farts.
I never would use it. I had two babies there and I breastfed uncovered in sacrament meeting despite the dirty looks.
Once a woman came up behind me and threw a blanket over me without asking 😂.
I always thought it was fucked up for a church supposedly all about glorifying motherhood as the highest calling in life treats new mothers this way.
I laughed at the jargon call-out for non-ex-Mormons. As an ex-catholic I’ve taken for granted that fact that all I need to explain most of the jargon to others is a Latin-to-English dictionary and an emphasis that it’s not considered “giving wine to children” once it’s been consecrated.
It's also almost 0%alcohol I'm helping with baptisms and confirmations this year and it's next to nothing.
You get a background check working at Burger King.
Tbf Burger King is a very big responsibility. Wouldn't want any thieves! That would be horrific. Those priests just don't compare.
me seeing a Mormon say that theyre the ONLY ones to honour a female diety on the day of the week set aside to honour just ONE of my religion's goddesses is sending me.
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Happy Freya's Day!! 🥰
28:53 the looks people used to give the loud children at church until the parent took them out of the chapel is all I can think about here lol so maybe the church should be more accommodating towards children... The children thing really triggered me because I witnessed so many times, first hand, seeing parents wrestling with their kids in the foyer and other members judging tf out of them for having misbehaving kids instead of offering to help them. Children are supposed to be seen and not heard in church. The quiet, obedient ones get praised and those are often times the kids that are being abused! Like it's so unhealthy, children are not the centerpiece at all and they are far from being protected.
My mother used a technique similar to “blanket training” in order to get my siblings and I to sit quiet and still during sacrament meeting. My mother would always gush about how everyone at church would comment how angelic we all were. It wasn’t til I was sitting in a therapy session with my psychologist at 36, that I learnt the way I’d been raised was actually abusive.
Gonna need the link to that harness, Tanner...
Honestly, a look at the most feminist and progressive Christian branches would be really interesting. I know the Quakers are pretty much the OGs of that but I've never done a deep dive
Yeah, I think also the Shakers, their founder and first leader was a woman.
From 1772-1821, they were led by:
-A woman, for 12 years
-A man, for 3 years
-A man, for 9 years
-A woman, for 25 years
They then had elders and eldresses for the smaller communities.
*my wife tells me I'm endowed, but I think she's just trying to make me happy*
I'm Quaker, and we have had equal rights and treatment for women in our religious society since the 1650s. So yeah, there have been religious organizations that were feminist long before the Mormon church was even a thing.
Also, Quakers believed that people of all races are equal, and they included people of color as equal members of our society since the 1650s as well. The Mormon church sure can't say that they were pro equality of people of color from the beginning of their religion, but quakers can say that.
So yeah, the Mormon church is full of shit if it thinks it's the most feminist religious organization.
Amen. If you don’t mind me asking are Quakers gay friendly? I live near George fox university and last I heard they were not. If you don’t mind answering. Quakers always seemed so progressive until I heard about the university kerfuffle.
Everyone who is exalted WON'T be in a straight monogamous relationship, though. They'll be in a polygynous one! One man, multiple women.
Oh true, duh haha 🙈
That's just straight up false
@@obiwan4820 "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them."
- The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol 11, p. 269
@janalynelzinga3970 the journal of discourse has many errors and is not considered doctrine
@obiwan4820 And that is not the only quote I could provide, since other prophets besides BY believed the same. How about, instead, you provide a quote from any leader stating multiple wives is NOT required for exaltation?
Or anything to comfort the Mormon women who were, like I once was, terrified of the prospect of going to heaven and finding themselves stuck sharing their husband for eternity? And, no, Pres. Oaks pausing for chuckles and admonishing us to trust the Lord doesn't count.
Before helping with children at my old church, I was required to pass a background check WHICH I PAID FOR MYSELF. They cost like $25. This is not a financial issue.
I can't remember if I paid for mine but I definitely got a background check when I started helping with kids at 18, and I grew up in that church. There is no excuse for not requiring background checks.
Carnal Intercourse sounds like the name of a hardcore metal band
omg totally 😂
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I would listen to them
Omg mom don't talk to me, I'm listening to carnal intercourse! 🙄
Topic Ideas:
The intersection of leaving Mormonism and becoming more liberal (in the sense of thinking out of your societal group).
David Archelleta’s new song
Book review of a Ekhart Tolle book
Best way to navigate the question, “why did you leave the church” with a TBM.
What we can expect from soon-to-be-Prophet Oaks.
Maybe take a poll of the biggest shelf-breaking history moments for people and cover them??
Can Tanner go on more rants please? 😅 You both have such great insights. Thank you!
Thank you for doing this video. I saw the thumb nail to her video and almost clicked on it. Y’all saved me the trouble.
For a while all of my comments were being automatically deleted by UA-cam because I was using a VPN. It can be very mysterious why a comment gets deleted.
My trans daughter is getting baptized this weekend by her woman pastor at her Anglican Church. They’ve had women priest since the 1980s.
Congrats on her baptism!! I love that she found a welcoming environment to explore her spirituality in 💕💕
@@arielrodriguez968 me too. I’m frankly surprised, they grew up pretty atheistic. Reading Christopher Hitchens in middle school. I think they enjoy the community and it seems to me that this church practices or understand their faith in more intellectual way.
@@AndImsomelady I’m the same way! I grew up in an atheist household, my parents handed me atheist lit in high school. And tomorrow I’m going to officially be baptized in the Catholic Church because I found exactly 1 very LGBT affirming Catholic parish. This group also understands spirituality and religion in an intellectual way. Your daughter is so lucky to have a kind and supportive parent 💕
@@arielrodriguez968 I love that kid, no matter what. I’m
happy you found an affirming welcoming place
As a disabled lesbian, with genetic disabilities, who barely manages to take care of myself, I think it might be a bad idea to get married to a man and have kids. 😂
Are you sure? Maybe you should ask a man. 😬
yes but he might "look after you" or some other bullshit..... how else will you cross the plains? ;)
You know the comments are juicy when you can’t tell if they’re sarcasm or not 😭
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the kitty being so calm rlly helped balance out the vibes. 10/10 performance
Our kids primary teachers hated us because we attended classes with them so they were never alone. There is child safety training with basic things like don't go into the classroom with the kids alone, wait until your co-teacher is there. Don't escort children to the washrooms, get their parents. Parents drop kids off and pick them up from class. None of this was followed. We did the safety training and have background checks as teachers and sat in class with our kids. The one teacher used to slam the door in our faces. They didnt teach the lesson anyways they just handed out sugar. Even my 8yr old called them out on it. Glad to be OUT!!
30:23 The children’s sermon is something that they did in the churches I went to every year. I don’t know if they did it every Sunday or if it was just on Christmas and Easter. The pastor would invite the kids up to the front and talk to them directly and have a little discussion about the lesson. This was in a Lutheran church. I’m curious if other churches did that? Also do other churches have Sunday school where the kids usually have their class during the time that the adults are at the church service?
I was raised Catholic & have attended many services in many other mainline Christian denominations. They do this EVERYWHERE. Sometimes they might only do it at one of the Sunday services designated the “family service” or something, sometimes the kids are invited to go to a separate “children’s gospel” in the nursery room with trained & background-checked people, and sometimes it’s just integrated into primary worship. But there’s a version of it literally everywhere. When Mormons do it, they’re not special.
25:49 As opposed to what? All the other organizations that downplay and degrade motherhood? Which organizations are those? and has she ever been part of any other organization outside of the LDS church? I feel like we are working with a limited frame of reference here lol
Edit to add: as I continued to watch the video Sam went into this lol
Did a little digging, and some of the board of directors for Scripture Central either were or currently are General Authority Seventies (Larry Wilson is a notable example). You also have Mike Hutchings, a trustee for the Ensign Peak Foundation. There are TONS of connections between ScripturePlus and the Mormon church; it'd be silly to think the church isn't influencing them at all.
Fun fact: one guy from the board of directors, Dave Jenkins, is in a stake presidency and was the CEO of Conservice; while I worked there, he gave us "management training" that discussed the benefits of slavery. Not even kidding.
YIKES 😬
Because odds are he historically would only be affected by slavery if his slaves revolted.
Love a good apologetics reaction! Would y’all ever consider making a vid about kwakus responses\church view from Carahs video with him? I’m curious your thoughts!
Shout out to Unitarian Universalism!
The name of the channel should be called “Banksy on the Shelf”
He literally loves a shelf
Facts after facts after facts 👏👏
34:44 So the question i have is: If you criticise that background checks aren't thorough enough, what exactly stops you from implementing a stricter background check within your church?! You CAN ask them more questions. You might not legally get more information than the applicants are willing to share (beyond the regular background check), but you CAN ask more questions and vet them. That's a responsibility YOU have to take, not wait until someone forces you to do it.
Do an animated episode where you have a white salamander as a guest co-host. We all need to know what the white salamander has to say, perhaps some modern-day revelation.
One lf my best friends works for Scripture Central. The LDS Chursch doesnt pay them. They get private funding from wealthy donors, but they also get the unofficial church endorsements.
There is NO WAY “carnal intercourse” was a real apologetic!! Oh my gosh. Just when you think you’ve seen it all. 🍗🍽️
just got an LDS streaming service ad on this video lol
Authority, in any religion, begins and ends with those who interpret the word of God, period. If a woman can't become prophet (the only LDS position that interprets the word of God), then women, by definition, have zero power/authority in the LDS church. Spinning narratives aimed to confuse the faithful doesn't change this simple fact. Cheers.
Do a video on how to respond to gaslighting from those within the Church. I’m always hearing “Well that’s not my experience in Church.”
It seems to me that she enjoys the idea "I can trust the men who are in charge of my religion", it gives her emotional comfort and she's doing whatever she can to protect that idea in her own mind
Video idea - how have relationships in your lives changed since leaving the church?
What do you think is the church’s REAL reason for not wanting background checks? It would be harder to fill all of the callings related to youth/children? It would make them look bad to see people in callings fail a background check? I’m a teacher and can’t imagine not having to pass one to work in schools
I think since the callings are divinely inspired and it would really shine a light that revelations are faulty, and maybe not even from god.
As a young adult, I ended up serving in the nursery (18 months to 3 year old children's primary class) because I was a wishy washy Mormon and didn't go every week. I had to have a calling so they gave me the lowest one they had. It's considered a 'calling' but it becomes pretty clear they just put people in there that they don't know what else to do with. I was also a nursery worker when I was older and my kids were in primary, that time was because my spouse was a non-member, I didn't have the right faithful family to teach anything else or have any calling with responsibility. I hated it and it's part of what made me completely stop attending.
Ngl his video was pretty shocking to me when it came to the discussion of sa. I've never attended any church, let alone the lds church, so I didn't know anything about this. You're telling me that people who work with children don't have background checks? And it's like normal? And the fact that the church doesn't have mandatory reporting laws so that guy could assault his children for years even though his bishop was aware of the abuse... That's some horrible stuff. No wonder that woman (sorry I don't remember her name) tries to justify it with the craziest stuff because this literally can not be justified. Yeah that's just sad and I hope that things will change.
Also, on a lighter note, Banksy is so cute! I love it when he joins your videos)
There is mandatory reporting in the Church.
@@ericstormdragon3534 that's great! I guess it wasn't there at the time of the case they talked about so I misunderstood.
@@ericstormdragon3534 I've read that "In Utah, mandatory reporting laws make everyone responsible for reporting child abuse, with just a few exceptions. Those exceptions exists for clergy who learn about child abuse or neglect from a perpetrator while acting in a ministerial role. The goal of this exception in Utah, and similar exceptions in other states, is to protect priest-penitent privilege, but the result is child abusers flying under the radar of law enforcement and victims suffering." If that's true, it's pretty messed up anyway
@@mariavidineeva2524 Clergy were not required to report for the reason you state but that was changed years ago.
@@ericstormdragon3534but they still don't report because the church tells them not to.
Let’s get this party started
Love your videos! Some of the best are takedowns/debunks like this
Omg you're coming to Costa Rica I'm not an mormon nor an ex-mormon but I love your channel :3
Your cat brings me so much joy🥰
This was VERY well done. Thank you so much for this!
Topic idea, why do some people have a faith crisis and become fundamentalist it seems obvious but I think there’s actually a lot of meat on that bone.
I think it comes down to this: when people question their religion they can go down two paths "THIS isn't the answer, perhaps there isn't AN answer to everything" or "THIS isn't the answer, so this other thing must be"
I think many of us end up traveling down both those paths at some point. But some people just can't let go of the idea that there has to be a rulebook for the universe and a simple answer to every question.
So what of single women then. It just never worked for me and though I'm not mormon I do feel that I'm left out of a lot of this type of thinking. In life in general single people are so ignored and thought little of though we usually give a lot to life in other ways. CC 🇮🇪 ireland ps adore your humour and take on all things ridiculous. As a historian I love delving into facts and am flabbergasted that Mormons can be so convinced ignorant and accepting of such a very dodgy foundation. And please let me know which God department deals with their investments I could do with a billion or 30!
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Yes. Single people are largely ignored. Even by government. I work a full time job and live in the cheapest living situation I could find and I still can’t afford groceries on top of all of my other expenses. In Utah you don’t qualify for any help with food (that I have managed to find) unless you’re disabled or a parent. I want to be a mother someday but it would be incredibly irresponsible of me to consider bringing a child into a situation where I can’t even feed myself. Yet, the church still tells us that if we have to choose between buying groceries and paying tithing, we should pay tithing. What BS. Go ahead and starve but make sure you give us our money first. And as a single person with a full-time job, if you ask the bishop for help they just tell you no. You can’t get help from the church or from the food bank because you don’t have kids. Single people struggle too. The church does not care about its people. Especially single women.
30:33 not Tanner and I having matching harnesses AND matching religions (actually I got the harness from my roommate who I later found out grew up UU)
If "Priesthood" is to men as "Motherhood" is to women, then quite literally the church and its apologists are saying the ability to exercise leadership authority equates to biologic traits and functions. Apply this rationale to other biological traits and functions...
Boil it down, you get this: the qualifications to be eligible for authority within the institution are determined by chromosomal and genetic traits that develop in utero. Simultaneously, all individuals who have the potential for a specific biological function which benefits the population are obligated to perform that function. The institution then tells all individuals who participate that these traits and functions are a.)divinely created and b.)in every way must dictate choices and actions in this life, and c.)they determine your status and rewards in your afterlife. Aka, "different roles, but equally important". Things get wild when you start applying them to other biological traits and functions that aren't sex and gender.
For example, let’s use blood type.
Imagine if the LDS church taught that our loving, omnipotent Heavenly Father gives his power and authority to govern only to individuals with the B+ blood type because blood type is an eternal part of everyone's identities and Heavenly Father himself has the B+ blood type. In conjunction with the "ordained" governing structure, individuals who have O- blood have the divine obligation to donate as many pints of blood as they can possibly manage, and it is imperitive they give absolutely the maximum amount possible even to the detriment of their physical health and regardless of how they feel about needles. Extend the example a little farther, what if the church said it was a significant sin to give or receive bone marrow transplants because that alters an individual's blood type, and that it is better to suffer and die rather than to give or receive bone marrow transplants. In the afterlife those with B+ blood who used their power the way God would use it are rewarded with attaining his status. Those with O- blood who did what they were supposed to are rewarded with eternally continuing to donate blood. P.S., ignore people who say there are other blood types beyond B+ and O-, people who say there are other blood types or reject the authority given to those with B+ blood are corrupted, or at least under the influence of, Satan himself.
When you use the stated justification the church and apologists give, then apply their system to other biological traits and functions, it illustrates how absurd, arbitrary, and dangerous it all is...
Brilliant!!!
Amazing way to illustrate that concept! Perfect! ❤ The logic is just not logical.
I did see that on the day of the vanishing comments, Instagram's account for itself was getting people complaining about deleted or hidden comments, so I think it really was an Instagram issue, but I'm not sure how comments get hidden and all that.
Didn’t the New York Times say the church was lying?! Haha
@@ZelphOntheShelf yeah it was weird that NYT said Meta said there was no glitch. Maybe it wasn't so much a glitch as just that Meta is deliberately hiding comments. After all they have thing where you can decide how much political content you want to see on Instagram.
My nevermo coworker actually recommended y'all to me today when we were talking about exmormon stuff at work. She loves this kind of stuff. I honestly can't think of a good mormon apologetic argument, but I did want to say that your cat just chilling while y'all talk is giving me life. He's such a cute boy.
Wow she is maddening. Particularly about the background check stuff. What the hell is she thinking?
I wasn't watching this on full screen, and as Tanner showed the visual representation of the churches hierarchy, at first glance I thought it was all the same old white dude 🤣
Hey! I thought of a suggestion for a video, if you’re interested in it at all. Something about twilight and its racist and sexist connections to Mormonism! It’s a video I’ve wanted to make but don’t have the energy haha, I’m sure yall would do it justice
The new Contrapoints video on Twilight is INSANELY GOOD!!!
I love this idea, and propose taking it to it's logical conclusion, which is a discussion about the Twilight fanfiction "50 shades" and how absolutely bonkers that nonsense/crime against the English language is...
I lol’d at the simultaneous “because they are forced to!”
26:00 I don’t think any worship space downgrades motherhood. It’s usually quite the opposite.
32:10 cat is like “this is boring, you should pay attention to me“
10:24 it just hit me that this argument of “women can’t procreate without a man, men can’t use the priesthood without women” is only saying “men need someone to oppress in order to to be saved” 😂😂😂😂
8:17 cat is living his BEST life
Edit: the side dish of Banksy is *mwah* I love him
Why are there dinosaur fossils from 50 million years ago if the Earth is 6000 years old? I used to believe this was because the Earth was "organized" from other destroyed worlds and maybe there were dinosaurs there before haha. Wow, so scientific!
The earth is very old. God used science, indeed IS science to create the earth over millions of years. God's biblical interaction with the earth is perhaps around 6000 years. Just my idea.
Hi. Finally glad to catch up with yalls take on this. Already chuckling.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂thanks so much.
"Treating children like something you have to accommodate for" .... like? You do? Like you have to accommodate for people who have different needs? Like her using accommodate as a bad word is extremely clarifying- having to look at individual needs is a bad thing in her mind- its only good if everyone fits in the box and are treated like they fit in the box
I grew up in a UU church and I really loved my experience there. They had us there for part of the main sermon but because we had limited attention with things that weren't geared towards us, they had us in a class where we learned about all the major world religions and morality and some history of the church. It was very fun and informative. When i got older, I realized I was an agnostic atheist but no hard feelings towards UU, they started a lifelong fascination with music and world religions.
Tom was crestfallen when the _Serpents_ indignantly accused him of appropriating J.K. Rowling's style. "Bloody Hell ..." said Tom dully.
Why can't I worship Heavenly Mother then, ma'am? Edit: TBH, I don't really get the whole push for "I must prove this overtly patriarchal religion is feminist." Come on. Edit #2: Children absolutely need to be accommodated for, what the hell is she talking about? I haven't seen the inside of every or even most Mormon buildings, but the ones I have seen don't scream "child friendly" to me? I would've been just as bored there as I was when I went to Catholic mass as a child. The world is largely /not/ built with children in mind. Or parents for that matter.
I struggle to believe she would be that lackadaisical about background checks if her children were victimized by fellow members. Just a hunch.
I always found it super interesting while at byuh that for an institution that constantly tells its students to have children at any cost they have very few systems for supporting young parents trying to finish school.
Hello! I don’t see your Venmo link in your bio.. am I missing it? Absolutely love your content ☺️
I am curious why the sacrament uses water, in my old (baptist) church they interpreted 'wine' to be grape juice for most of the mentions in the Bible, and therefore communion was grape juice and crackers
28:50 if children are the centerpiece of church, why were the children at my church carted off to another room for sunday school so they wouldn't disrupt the important *actual* church service with the sermon for the adults??
idea 💡 for a show or short topic 💡
why was JS tarred and feathered ⚫️🪶⚫️🪶⚫️🪶
the church pov v the actual story. my hubby asked me about it, i had heard of it but knew very little. the whole thing is kind of interesting 🧐
I cannot believe the argument about background checks for people working with kids ........ she must just be repeating things and not fully thinking about what she's saying
I swear. Y’all are about to make me buy this damn Costa Rica trip. 😅
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There are also books from jiseph smiths era which were written in biblical styles. Also who are the experts the apologists also reference?
Ha the kitty lol 😂 great video but kitty makes this so purrrfect 😻 just vibing
Your hair is pristine, Sam. Color is a dream rn!
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A cat!
Banksy!
I love when the kitty makes an appearance!
Tanners harness in an LDS commentary video is perfection
oh how I laughed at the exchange of meat in this episode.
Love having cat in frame for your videos. I approve.
Is dropping the "h" in "priesthood" a feature of American accents in general, or is it more of a Utah thing that has become more common for Mormons elsewhere too? I can't remember ever hearing people pronounce it that way unless they're talking about Mormonism.
I love your cat!!
Topic idea: Sound of Freedom movie and the sneaky Mormon influences!! There is so much Mormon stuff in the background from Angel Studios and Tim Ballard 😮
God, listening to that girl is PAINFUL! Worse that nails on a chalkboard 🤦🏻♀️
Both of you are as GORGEOUS as ever! 💕
35:11 if our clergy actually reported the SA then they would be on the background checks!!!!
even the most benevolent allies will come short of their goal if they are still talking *about the group they seek to empower. so having all these apologetics means nothing if women aren’t leading out in the rituals, meetings, etc.
Also when background checks could give a false sense of security.. that just means we need to do MORE besides just the background check.
As a result of this conditioning, is it any wonder that young women rush to marriage and motherhood, as the only option to buy respect and status? And thrn when even that depreciates, the resentment builds.
Reach out if you want me to detail all of the financial connections between scripture central and the More Good Foundation & LDS church. It's complicated. Most of the funds come from wealthy members who may be encouraged to donate directly to scripture central. The finances are not public and not transparent.
The mormon mind control is strong with this lady.😅