TF2 also owes a lot of its success to its release date and art style. Because the game was released in 2007, it was designed to run decently on the average computer at the time, which has meant that even today, people don't need to have a fancy rig just to play it. And the art style is extremely legendary, so much so that it's used in actual school curriculum for animation classes because of how well designed the characters are. And just to prove that they're well designed, take a look at any TF2 character and see how low poly they are. If it weren't for me pointing it out, It's highly likely you wouldn't realize it. And the incorporated art style helps make TF2 easy to understand at face value, since each side has their own very distinct colors, and each character has brighter colors than the ones used in the environment, meaning it's easier to distinguish players from the screen, as well as easily understanding their team affiliation. And then there's the use of rimlighting, which adds a section of light on the edges of a character to ensure you can't stay hidden in shadowy areas of the map without being seen. All these combine to make the TF2 experience user friendly for new players, unlike newer games that try to cater to the pros and not the larger player base. TF2 is a monument to perfect game design. Sorry if I went on a little rant. I just really love TF2 and the passion that went into creating such a perfect game.
It's just great that almost every year we get 'TF2 is immortal' vids, can't wait for the '100 years of TF2 because Valve can't count to 3' celebration.
It is 300 winters after The Fall. Humanity is extinct. Cockroaches have inherited the Earth. And they're still playing Team Fortress 2, waiting for the Heavy Update, and complaining about how Sniper is OP and random crits are bullshit.
@@lazymansload520 The baby has been slacking, honestly, and should have gotten fired a long time ago. The janitor was responsible for over 99% of the updates to the localization files within the last 3 years... I'm beginning to think the baby is just freeloading.
the janitor every day, coming in to clean the empty tf2 office, asking himself if maybe its time to shut down the computers and servers to save electricity.
Them: "THIS ISN'T FAIR! THEY SHUT DOWN OUR GAME AND DIDN'T SUPPORT IT!" Us: Heard of death? Good, because we can't die, even if we did, then we will always come back from the dead.
This... explains a lot I mean what other fps has given it's entire community the same tools that the developer had to create it, I can only thank valve for making such an incredible game and hope that someday they come back to it to give us more to play/create with
@@HeyGrouch **Coughs in community servers** I mean, yeah, they're not quite the same as what you're talking about, but I'll never forget some of the fun I've had in Vs. Saxton Hale, Class Wars, Medic vs. Engineer zombies, and Zombie Escape. They're far from flawless, but damn is it fun.
@@HeyGrouch Custom game modes and maps with multiple game modes might become a reality, now that VScript support is coming to Team Fortress 2. Just search UA-cam for "TF2 VScript" and you'll see. Valve could make those new creations official.
Tf2 is the perfect embodiment of "You don't need the latest graphics and engines to be hella fun". A good formula of gameplay and respect of the community and you pretty much secured your game fame for years to come.
TF2 is probably my most played game of all time, Since middle of summer in 2008 I've put in 10,347 hours into that game. Today, I play more singel player games, mostly on my ps5 now or occationaly go back to my ps2 or ps3 to play some ol' goodies, but I always tend to come back to play TF2 for updates, events or if I miss it to much.
TF2 is for sure my favorite multiplayer game. I'll also go back and play some old Playstation classics like Spyro or Crash Bandicoot every now and again
Tf2 also has a big capacity to create and keep communities. Tf2 has a social aspect to it that keeps the game fresh. Whether that be through conga lines, trade servers, competitive games, sfm/Gmod animations, videos, cosmetics, conversations, etc. There are a lot of ways to express yourself. Coupled with good gameplay, fun maps, funny classes, and a classic art style, you have a game that keeps reinventing itself.
"There are a lot of ways to express yourself." Yes. This. I will make a whole video about that one topic. Like, unironically, hats are one of the best parts of TF2. And I don't say that lightly.
Unless another game comes that has the same charm as TF2, this game will never die. And considering the current state of games, I highly doubt that's going to come anytime soon if ever.
@@JadeMythriil even if a game as charming as tf2 comes out, I don't think it would kill tf2, because it wouldn't erase the attachment that fans have to tf2. I think the most (and maybe only) effective way to kill Team Fortress 2 would be to make Team Fortress 3, and have it basically be tf2 but better in every way. And even then, that'd only be because it's still the same franchise.
In addition to that, the voice actors (except for Engie's original VA, Ashly Burch, JB Blanc and Rick May [RIP]) partake and have fun with the community by role playing the characters both in streams and in real life. Heck, they, in one time, even officially criticized Valve for neglecting the game and its playerbase for so long. It may not seem like much on the surface, but it actually contributes a lot to the effort of keeping the game afloat even to this very day.
This video is well-timed with the release of VScript Beta. A feature that Valve themselves didn't even have while developing TF2. It allows you to embed code directly into your map files. Meaning you don't need server plugins anymore to create unique gamemodes like VS Saxton Hale / Prop Hunt or literally anything else. And since they're just directly within the map file, they can be hosted and downloaded from the workshop.
They can also be added to the game officially by Valve 😀There's already at least one VScript map on the workshop. Just search "vscript" in the TF2 workshop. "If there is a programmable device, it will run Doom, or play Bad Apple. Or both." Yeah, literally anything, like you said😆
The more I have played tf2 the more I realize just how much depth there is to the game. Despite having played for 6 years I still find out new map routes, weapon combos and fun ways to play the game. The skill ceiling is just so high and so vast, even if you spent 10,000 hours playing the game there would still be weapons and playstyles that would be fresh.
Conclusion: supporting community projects and keeping consistent to the theme can keep a game afloat for a long, long time and even survive with almost no official support.
Most FPS games are like giving someone a fish. They’d be fed for a time, but soon they’d hunger for more. Valve basically handed the TF2 community the fishing rod and a box of bait and found the perfect position for the boat to drive straight in the ocean for the rest of time. But the players know how to catch their own fish.
Lovely video there! Truly points out that community helped raise TF2 to the heaven's above! While TF2 is fun on it's own merit my favorite part of it is the time and care put into developing the game to what it is today. Without TF2 I never would've discovered the importance of color pallet or silhouettes! Awe-inspiring to listen at the development commentary through all the Valve games.
I've heard bits and pieces of TF2's developer commentary but I really should sit down and listen to the whole thing! My first real experience working with color palettes & silhouettes came from making one of my mobile games "Boom Ball." Were you making fan art / SFMs for the game when you learned about those things? :)
@@HeyGrouch Credit for you learning that for your mobile games, it gives you a real edge in the competition! I haven't started much at all with SFM or fan art but do plan to apply those principles to my future art! TF2 with its nine mercenaries have so much variety in anatomical proportions yet containing a hint of an unrealistic style, it's best of both worlds in my opinion!
@@lemnyelow2260 That's interesting to hear coming from an artist. I'm not much of one so I never really noticed how the mercenaries have such different anatomy. Cool insight! :)
As someone who recently got a cosmetic into the game via the TF Workshop, I wish you had a small section showcasing the Workshop content! Some of the creators on there are crazy talented. When browsing the TF2 Wikipedia - select your favorite hat or weapon - chances are that it'll be community made. Even some of the really old stuff you would expect to be Valve-made. Nonetheless, great video! It made me really happy seeing someone attribute a big chunk of TF2's longevity to community creators.
@@HeyGrouch Whoops, I had a feeling my previous reply would be filtered out cause I included a workshop link to my item. Anyways, thanks! I made Beaten and Bruised from the recent Scream Fortress case.
@@Suggo Just checked it out, that's awesome! I love Heavy's style 3 and Spy's style 3. That's gotta be the cosmetic with the most different versions in the entire game right? I can't think of an all-class that has more than 3 styles.
3:43 "Source Filmmaker also known as SFM was used to make thousands of original creative short movies that would spread all over the internet. From comedies to dramas to music videos..." And porn! Don't forget the porn!
It brings tears to my eyes to see this amazing content and more so that my beloved game is still alive. I've played since 2011 and my god is it more fun than ever :) i hope everyone gets a go at this fantastic game!
I couldn't agree more!! Seeing all these replies and enthusiasm for the game is a thing of beauty. Been playing since 2013ish and being able to provide some of that community love is just amazing :)
Having only been in the community for 2 months now I can safely say that I’ve been enjoying myself both watching and playing tf2 There’s just something about it that really draws me in and has implanted something in my brain that most tf2 players have, the “wtf just happened” and “stand still and observe the weirdness” thought process
Welcome to the community! My favorite part about TF2 is that 99.9% of the players care more about having fun than winning. Like you said, you can interact with members of the enemy team if something weird happens or just straight up choose not to fight and nobody will attack you. Great game :)
i thought i meant fps as in frames per sec. with the large number behind heavy in the thumbnail, and i just thought the heavy meant that this imortal frames per sec was in a tf2 server that kept growing (hence the chart) none the wiser i was impressed by the video and it does sum up how tf2 is still alive
While most of the gameplay clips are mine, that's a clip from a Muselk video :) Now that I think about it I probably should have added another caption to the clip giving him credit. Also what's MGR?
@@HeyGrouch Metal Gear Rising, you know, the funny "Standing here" meme, theres a scene where the protagonist Raiden runs down a tall building while a giant robot shoots missiles at him from below.
don't forget the importance of it being an easy game to get into - despite Valve's repeated failures at making effective tutorials and hints - entirely thanks to the active community of crreators
Even though i don't play this game much often as before but i still feel in love with this game and come back to play it from time to time. Great video man
Wow. I was totally unaware that the TF2 videos were actually from Valve's literal, actual Service Development Kit. I also did not know they had a level editor, let alone (again) the full Service Development Kit.
Yeah, Valve apparently liked at the time to give out _all_ the tools needed to creat stuff yourself. Even if Hammer Editor is considered an _archaic hellscape_ it's still a lot of power given to the community.
Bring on the pain! 💪💪💪 I wanted to talk about it in the video but Overwatch actually HELPED TF2's players because it got new people into class based arena shooters lol
If it ever does die, I don't think it will stay dead. Some mad scientist programmer out there will revive it like Frankenstein. Just look at TF2 Classic and other similar mods :)
I Think, also a Part, at least for me, why TF2 is so good is because it lets the player express themselfes. There is almost no Lobby without some guy typing absolut Dogshit, funny stuff or even very questionable things and dont get me started on the Objectors etc., I love this about tf2
The voice actors also played a role in keeping this game alive. Every one of them except the Engineer’s voice actor love the tf2 community and love interacting with them to the point I would even consider they are just as much a part of the tf2 community as everyone else.
Considering TF2 is getting a VScript update soon, this will further immortalise it because you can pretty much do almost anything with the game now without server plugins and it can be added to official matchmaking
And anyone can download the maps from the workshop, just like any other map. Search "vscript" on the TF2 workshop, and "TF2 Vscript" on UA-cam. Someone already got Bad Apple into TF2 xD
TF2: Community servers, Dedicated servers for players to host, Plugins and custom code for servers which allow for indepth modification the gameplay and mechanics. Customizeable game files to alter sounds and models ingame, No emphasis on competition, Game assets to make animated movies/games, Map editor. Overwatch 2, which, at the time of writing is "the latest hotness". No community servers, unless you count "custom game" servers which I dont. No dedicated servers, all servers owned by blizzard. Workshop feature that is not active at release but is way more bare bones then Sourcemod. Although it is admitedly, a really intuitive and well made tool that is only bad because it's limited. No altering of game sounds, models, ui or anything of the sorts. Game's entire core principle is on competitive matches which makes winning the only reward out of an entire game instead of playing for fun. Blizzard is attempting to encode the character models to prevent porn, indirectly harming any hopes for movies and animated features with the characters. One year after Overwatch 1 was released, there was talks of a map editor. There's still no map editor on the sequel.
I think it's important to mention, TF2 revolutionized gaming entirely. It was the first game to feature lootboxes. It was the first main example of "Live service, free to play" ACTUALLY WORKING beyond a basic phone game. TF2 didn't play on the same level as other games, it flipped the tables over and made new tables that all other FPS games play on to this day.
"Or they're treating their consumers like mindless consumes who will anything you put in front of them" And that's because they absolutely, 100%, are. For instance, the amount of people that will buy Elder Scrolls VI when it comes out, simply because "it's an elder scrolls game" despite the fact that Bethesda is notorious for launching progressively more and more messy titles. What about the absurd amount of people that play games Genshin Impact on the basis of "it looks cute" or whatever. Gamers really don't deserve a better product, at this point the gaming community is not entitled to "a good product" as what they really want is "a product". They are more than content being played as morons.
Tf2's art style, age and community are all great and all, but the main reason I'd say it's so popular right now is mostly because of these 2 reasons: 1. There are no other FPS games that can run on a literal toaster and still have a decently sized playerbase. 2. There are no good FPS games that are team shooters with the ability to throw away the team part, you can be a team player or mindlessly do you thing and not contribute in the slightest, no one will give a fuck (eg. 12v12 rather than 5v5 or 6v6 aka so chaotic that no one minds you doing your thing). The moment an FPS comes out that can fulfil those 2 requirements, has active developers and at least decent gameplay variety is the day that tf2 will drastically drop. I'm certain that if Overwatch wasn't so team based then most of the tf2 community would be there. Of course tf2 would still be sort of popular, just not nearly as.
There are so many more reasons why the game is so timeless: - Unique, incredibly polished, charming cartoony visuals that can be run even on old machines. - Rich on personality fun characters that, despite being built of silly stereotypes, are still unique and untypical comparing to most games (basically, the entire cast is made of pretty awful villains when you think of it but they're still really charming people). - Insane customisation possibilities and absolutely no pay2win whatsoever. - Amazing deep gameplay where you can try so many different playstyles and keep perfecting them further and further. - A lot of ways to socialize in the game through the taunts and stuff. - Literally PERFECT casual vibe. That's what multiplayer games lack especially hard nowadays - just the opportunity to relax and have fun while deciding for yourself how tryhardy you're feeling today. No hard result recordings, no prizes for the victory, no class limits, no forced team play, no penalties for leaving a match or doing silly stuff, no harsh behaviour rules (except for the most basic ones) - that all gives each TF2 player the magical feeling of freedom to do whatever you want and have fun. By the way, 12 players per team is just a nearly perfect number - when there are so many players, each individual player still matters and their contribution to the victory is notable but at the same time, 1-2 players being newbies or just fooling around doesn't hurt team too much and they still can perform pretty well.
You critical hit the nail on the HEAD. Especially the casual part - 12v12 is always gonna be more fun to me than a 5v5. TF2 encourages teamplay by making it fun, other games encourage teamplay by making you lose if you don't communicate. The FREEDOM is so real too. I have like 400hrs on soldier and just recently started using the Air Strike and it feels like I discovered the class all over again. LOVE THIS GAME 🔥🔥🔥
About the number of players playing tf2 Its estimated that most of the players "online" are either bot accounts meant to either farm items or trolling, or just regular people being afk. Still, 40k concurrent players is still good for a 15 year old game.
Tf2 is a goddamn Lich. Every time it reaches the brink of death, it persists just long enough to collect the strength to resurface. It takes a specially crafted situation to even deal damage to TF2, and even more nonsense to make that damage stick.
Its Free 2 Play and even if they didnt profit much with F2P they still have loads of money through their sales within the Steam Store to keep just the server running up
also the others too, L4D2 and CSGO even with the birth of the new ones, they are still standing quite on top (B4B is rejected by most of L4D2 community, Valorant is a good competitor and will be a good competitor but they didnt make CSGO actually dead)
TF2 is my most played game by a longshot, it's the only Steam game I have with a 4 digit hour count haha. Minecraft might also have 4 digits for me but idk 🤔
I partially agree with you, but I don't know if it's just the maps and movies that keep this game afloat. Remember the drought between love and war and jungle inferno for new weapons. Balance changes keep things interesting
Credits to janitor and the plant who kept updating the game! xD *"We are going to live forever!"* Soldier was telling us the truth, he was ahead of the time
The fact TF2 is still going strong despite in how terrible shape it is _(like basically no optimization, cheaters, obsolete and/or hated mechanics still in game, the options and server browser is terrible etc. etc)_ proves how great game it is that people just don't care or that there's no other game that's as good as tf2.
To be fair to overwatch I think the consumers of the game itself and the consumers of that are unrelated, even if there's a huge overlap. I mean, logically, you could always just consume that dastardly media without playing the game itself
WOW I didn't know Valve created SFM and gave it away for free after creating TF2 stuff with it. As a programmer and a gamer, I got much more respect for Valve knowing this. Thanks for the cool video!
I know than no on cares but maaan since I saw my 1 sfm I was stunned all I wanted is to play Tf2 I'm 2004 BTW I was like idk 10 back then but in 2017 I realized hay I can dawnload games now so what about Tf2... It was like Christmas morning for me I did it I dawnloadet Tf2 so ever since then I got Tf2 on my pc I Newer uninstaleted it unlike basicaly ewery other game. What I mean is I love this comunity i love this same old maps I love this hipe when valve do something once a month Wich don't change the game a bit (damn you must be bored if your still reading this and you probably got stroke while traing to read it) Tf2 is something that I will never forget.
As much as I like to talk shit on Valve for them dropping the ball on a lot of projects and their lack of communication skills, they really were an amazing company. Yeah, even though they have pretty much abandoned they game, they are still indirectly keeping it alive by them giving the community so many tools to succeed.
So value utilized one of the strongest resources any game developer has available to them? i.e. the community of players who are willing to put in ridiculous hours of free work just because they have a passion for the game? I've never seen such a smart strategy. You just give the playerbase everything they need to continue your work while you rake in all the loot box profits. And you'll be commended for it too. I think it holds alot of the reason as to why tf2 has lived so long. Like right now with ow2 we just saw that companies can remove games we paid 40-60 quid on, at a moments notice.
Yeah even if it "somehow" dies, Valve will be like "O yeah TeamFortress 3 it's been in development for like 10 years ago as a backup, take the L also more hat." TF2 is the water bear of gaming, and how to the devs do it, by doing fuck all and giving literally everything they used to make the game to the community
There are a load of reasons as to why TF2 is alive and well. But basically, gameplay, diversity in weapons, dress up, an economy, artstyle, lore, cosplaying value, the silhuette test, the funny diaolgue, the character's personality, and so.. SO much more.
other game devs: "oh f*ck, the source code was leaked, we need to stop them now" tf2 devs: "look, this is the source code, the filmaker and the map creator, do whatever you want" tf2 community. *creates balanced maps, original gamemodes, and movies* devs: "nice work, we want this in the game"
This game is an integral part of the Internet, no matter what anyone does, (including Valve acting like a neglectful parent) TF2 won’t be going anywhere, and I couldn’t be happier about it.
I still believe that if you want to make an immortal game, you need to give your players the dev tools. The sheer amount of possibilities turn any game with a healthy player base into a perpetual motion machine of fun. A lot like Minecraft or Skyrim modding extended their lifespans for an unreasonable amount of time. Even if those dev tools were not officially given but developed independently and are user friendly that is true. Just look at all the Rom Hacks of generation 3 Pokémon games. Those games are as old as TF2 and still get played a lot by a community that changes the base game to their liking with personal challenges or complete overhaul mods that add in other mechanics from later games.
To paraphrase DougDoug, games like Overwatch have a strict menu that is initially decent. Good, even. But even then the quality is only as good as the management. TF2 let all the customers into the kitchen and let them go crazy. At this point, the game is a madhouse and the inmates run the asylum, and I love it.
The only other fps games I believe could hit the 10 year mark is overwatch and fortnite. But I believe overwatch will barely be able to reach 10 years, fortnite on the other hand I believe is garaunteed to reach 10 years.
At his point I believe TF2 is just so big that it will run forever, just like minecraft, both are 'old' games, so old that there are people playing it that were born after the game's release, meaning they will get new players constantly
if you are watching this and havent played tf2, please do! it is immortal not only due to the creativity of the community, but - fuck, its just a fantastic game.
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TF2 also owes a lot of its success to its release date and art style. Because the game was released in 2007, it was designed to run decently on the average computer at the time, which has meant that even today, people don't need to have a fancy rig just to play it. And the art style is extremely legendary, so much so that it's used in actual school curriculum for animation classes because of how well designed the characters are. And just to prove that they're well designed, take a look at any TF2 character and see how low poly they are. If it weren't for me pointing it out, It's highly likely you wouldn't realize it. And the incorporated art style helps make TF2 easy to understand at face value, since each side has their own very distinct colors, and each character has brighter colors than the ones used in the environment, meaning it's easier to distinguish players from the screen, as well as easily understanding their team affiliation. And then there's the use of rimlighting, which adds a section of light on the edges of a character to ensure you can't stay hidden in shadowy areas of the map without being seen. All these combine to make the TF2 experience user friendly for new players, unlike newer games that try to cater to the pros and not the larger player base. TF2 is a monument to perfect game design.
Sorry if I went on a little rant. I just really love TF2 and the passion that went into creating such a perfect game.
This guy gets it.
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@@zombiewolf3147 no way you just said that
@@HeyGrouch hi grouch i was just say good video but here you are im gonna sub to you ^__^
@@Verosika_scorpia thanks! ^_^
It's just great that almost every year we get 'TF2 is immortal' vids, can't wait for the '100 years of TF2 because Valve can't count to 3' celebration.
lmao, i'll be waiting for it on the whiff of me ol' brimstone
It is 300 winters after The Fall. Humanity is extinct. Cockroaches have inherited the Earth.
And they're still playing Team Fortress 2, waiting for the Heavy Update, and complaining about how Sniper is OP and random crits are bullshit.
Valve can count to 3 since they gave us level 3 sentries and the tf2 theme song “3 Days to Live”
@@heavenandhello6629 i love this
A ship without a captain, but a crew with the tools to keep it afloat is the best analogy of tf2's survival ever
Aye 🍻
Shout out to the janitor and the potted plant for keeping this game alive.
They're the best
Shout out to those localization files
Don’t forget the baby from the daycare!
@@lazymansload520 The baby has been slacking, honestly, and should have gotten fired a long time ago. The janitor was responsible for over 99% of the updates to the localization files within the last 3 years... I'm beginning to think the baby is just freeloading.
the janitor every day, coming in to clean the empty tf2 office, asking himself if maybe its time to shut down the computers and servers to save electricity.
tf2 is too iconic to die
facts.
Take it from the soldier in expiration date "we're not going to die, we are going to live forever!"
@@stell-Caaster "i didn't say that! i just said we aren't filled with tumors!"
@@Blahaj_Gaming847 oh thank god
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TF2 really said
"Good news! We're not dying, we are going to live forever!"
straight up
and from that words, the fate TF2 has been sealed, its literally gonna live forever.
salute for Rick may o7
TF2 took Merasumus's "Kill me and come back stronger" pills
@@geraldysjunk they overdosed on them
I didn't say that, I only said we're not filled with tumors
Tf2 comunity in a nutshell:
*"We have done nothing but tell the same jokes for 15 years"*
EDIT:TF2 IS GETTING AN UPDATE IN MAY 1 2023
pootis
@@HeyGrouch spy crab.
painis cupcake
Sandvich
Gentlemen
For once, UA-cam has blessed me with legitimately good content. Really nice work!
I'm glad the algorithm's helping me out, and especially glad you enjoy it! :)
@@HeyGrouch hell yeah! Keep it up!
Them: "THIS ISN'T FAIR! THEY SHUT DOWN OUR GAME AND DIDN'T SUPPORT IT!"
Us: Heard of death? Good, because we can't die, even if we did, then we will always come back from the dead.
Death is merely the beginning.
Bro just leave a sticky trap
That's because we don't have souls. I mean... they don't... Nevermind.
"We are not dying. We are going to live forever!"
TF2 has the pre nerf deadringer.
They can't hurt us!
This... explains a lot I mean what other fps has given it's entire community the same tools that the developer had to create it, I can only thank valve for making such an incredible game and hope that someday they come back to it to give us more to play/create with
If they added a custom game mode feature similar to Halo 3's that would be god tier
@@HeyGrouch **Coughs in community servers**
I mean, yeah, they're not quite the same as what you're talking about, but I'll never forget some of the fun I've had in Vs. Saxton Hale, Class Wars, Medic vs. Engineer zombies, and Zombie Escape. They're far from flawless, but damn is it fun.
@@no-legjohnny3691 YES community servers are a total blast! I'll never forget my first x10 randomizer server... Fun times haha.
@@HeyGrouch Go play freak fortress, it's basically a player controlled boss battle against the rest of the server.
@@HeyGrouch Custom game modes and maps with multiple game modes might become a reality, now that VScript support is coming to Team Fortress 2. Just search UA-cam for "TF2 VScript" and you'll see. Valve could make those new creations official.
TF2 is a timeless masterpiece.
Truer words have never been spoken
It’s insane that TF2 has now gone a 1/3rd of it’s life without an update
Yeah it is pretty insane, doesn't feel like it's been that long because the game never gets boring!
I mean without an update is pretty unfair, major content update i think you meant
@@brock2460 cause localization file updates count?
@@Tommy-pv1vh they are doing a lot more to be fair
@@Tommy-pv1vh are you saying that all theyve been putting out is localization file updates?
This game sure have some magic formula, that allowed him to still "alive" (just as alive as a 2007 game could be) since 2007
Ikr. The core gameplay and characters are second to none. Mix that with a super active community, and boom!
the sandvich healed the game
@@Kahridk nom
@@HeyGrouch nom
@@Kahridk nom
Tf2 is the perfect embodiment of "You don't need the latest graphics and engines to be hella fun".
A good formula of gameplay and respect of the community and you pretty much secured your game fame for years to come.
Preach it!!
Well done on the vid
I agree the community is holding up the game well
But the cheater problem is insane rn
Thanks! Yeah the bot problem is a atrocious. Thank god for community servers and votekicking
It’s gotten better at least compared to last year
So basically valve added a invincibility powerup to tf2
Yup ⭐️
@@HeyGrouch We are not going to die, we are going to live forever - soldier tf2
It's under quick-fix über constantly. Sure, it gets beat up from time to time, but it always heals up
TF2 is probably my most played game of all time, Since middle of summer in 2008 I've put in 10,347 hours into that game. Today, I play more singel player games, mostly on my ps5 now or occationaly go back to my ps2 or ps3 to play some ol' goodies, but I always tend to come back to play TF2 for updates, events or if I miss it to much.
TF2 is for sure my favorite multiplayer game. I'll also go back and play some old Playstation classics like Spyro or Crash Bandicoot every now and again
Then there's Minecraft
Tf2 also has a big capacity to create and keep communities. Tf2 has a social aspect to it that keeps the game fresh. Whether that be through conga lines, trade servers, competitive games, sfm/Gmod animations, videos, cosmetics, conversations, etc. There are a lot of ways to express yourself. Coupled with good gameplay, fun maps, funny classes, and a classic art style, you have a game that keeps reinventing itself.
"There are a lot of ways to express yourself." Yes. This. I will make a whole video about that one topic. Like, unironically, hats are one of the best parts of TF2. And I don't say that lightly.
Challenge idea for the entirety of the community of TF2: Can we truly make this game immortal? Can we make it to the 20 year mark?
Easily 🔥
Unless another game comes that has the same charm as TF2, this game will never die. And considering the current state of games, I highly doubt that's going to come anytime soon if ever.
Mates we'll keep it going. And conquer other games, target Overwatch is down. Overwatch 2 ain't a big deal since they aint doin so well.
@@oklord6415 not doing well is an understatement, they died before they lived, like stadia
@@JadeMythriil even if a game as charming as tf2 comes out, I don't think it would kill tf2, because it wouldn't erase the attachment that fans have to tf2. I think the most (and maybe only) effective way to kill Team Fortress 2 would be to make Team Fortress 3, and have it basically be tf2 but better in every way. And even then, that'd only be because it's still the same franchise.
In addition to that, the voice actors (except for Engie's original VA, Ashly Burch, JB Blanc and Rick May [RIP]) partake and have fun with the community by role playing the characters both in streams and in real life. Heck, they, in one time, even officially criticized Valve for neglecting the game and its playerbase for so long. It may not seem like much on the surface, but it actually contributes a lot to the effort of keeping the game afloat even to this very day.
I didn't know about them criticizing Valve! That's pretty wild
@@HeyGrouch I found screenshots somewhere shared by the community. Forgot the source, apologies.
Worthy to note the Sandvich saga too
This video is well-timed with the release of VScript Beta. A feature that Valve themselves didn't even have while developing TF2. It allows you to embed code directly into your map files. Meaning you don't need server plugins anymore to create unique gamemodes like VS Saxton Hale / Prop Hunt or literally anything else. And since they're just directly within the map file, they can be hosted and downloaded from the workshop.
They can also be added to the game officially by Valve 😀There's already at least one VScript map on the workshop. Just search "vscript" in the TF2 workshop. "If there is a programmable device, it will run Doom, or play Bad Apple. Or both." Yeah, literally anything, like you said😆
3:30 "Powerful animation program"
It's a software held by 2010 code spaghetti.
Revolutionary for its time
The more I have played tf2 the more I realize just how much depth there is to the game. Despite having played for 6 years I still find out new map routes, weapon combos and fun ways to play the game. The skill ceiling is just so high and so vast, even if you spent 10,000 hours playing the game there would still be weapons and playstyles that would be fresh.
That's what I'm finding out too
Conclusion: supporting community projects and keeping consistent to the theme can keep a game afloat for a long, long time and even survive with almost no official support.
Most FPS games are like giving someone a fish. They’d be fed for a time, but soon they’d hunger for more.
Valve basically handed the TF2 community the fishing rod and a box of bait and found the perfect position for the boat to drive straight in the ocean for the rest of time. But the players know how to catch their own fish.
YES
Fantastic video! Well edited, with a good script, and perfect pacing.
Glad you think so!! :)
Lovely video there! Truly points out that community helped raise TF2 to the heaven's above! While TF2 is fun on it's own merit my favorite part of it is the time and care put into developing the game to what it is today. Without TF2 I never would've discovered the importance of color pallet or silhouettes! Awe-inspiring to listen at the development commentary through all the Valve games.
I've heard bits and pieces of TF2's developer commentary but I really should sit down and listen to the whole thing! My first real experience working with color palettes & silhouettes came from making one of my mobile games "Boom Ball." Were you making fan art / SFMs for the game when you learned about those things? :)
@@HeyGrouch Credit for you learning that for your mobile games, it gives you a real edge in the competition! I haven't started much at all with SFM or fan art but do plan to apply those principles to my future art! TF2 with its nine mercenaries have so much variety in anatomical proportions yet containing a hint of an unrealistic style, it's best of both worlds in my opinion!
@@lemnyelow2260 That's interesting to hear coming from an artist. I'm not much of one so I never really noticed how the mercenaries have such different anatomy. Cool insight! :)
As someone who recently got a cosmetic into the game via the TF Workshop, I wish you had a small section showcasing the Workshop content! Some of the creators on there are crazy talented.
When browsing the TF2 Wikipedia - select your favorite hat or weapon - chances are that it'll be community made. Even some of the really old stuff you would expect to be Valve-made.
Nonetheless, great video! It made me really happy seeing someone attribute a big chunk of TF2's longevity to community creators.
Great point, the community workshop has so much great stuff on it. And congrats on getting an item in the game!!! What item is it?
@@HeyGrouch Whoops, I had a feeling my previous reply would be filtered out cause I included a workshop link to my item. Anyways, thanks! I made Beaten and Bruised from the recent Scream Fortress case.
@@Suggo Just checked it out, that's awesome! I love Heavy's style 3 and Spy's style 3. That's gotta be the cosmetic with the most different versions in the entire game right? I can't think of an all-class that has more than 3 styles.
@@HeyGrouch Glad you like it! There's one other Scout item called Pest's Pads that also has 5 styles.
@@Suggo I can't believe this man beat the hell out of some of the classes and it got accepted.
Jokes aside congrats on getting your item in the game!
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"Source Filmmaker also known as SFM was used to make thousands of original creative short movies that would spread all over the internet. From comedies to dramas to music videos..."
And porn! Don't forget the porn!
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How do you know??
HOW DO YOU KNOW??
Great video!
Thanks aperso!! Glad you enjoyed it :)
It brings tears to my eyes to see this amazing content and more so that my beloved game is still alive. I've played since 2011 and my god is it more fun than ever :) i hope everyone gets a go at this fantastic game!
I couldn't agree more!! Seeing all these replies and enthusiasm for the game is a thing of beauty. Been playing since 2013ish and being able to provide some of that community love is just amazing :)
overwatch 2 be like now 0:02
😂😂
Having only been in the community for 2 months now I can safely say that I’ve been enjoying myself both watching and playing tf2
There’s just something about it that really draws me in and has implanted something in my brain that most tf2 players have, the “wtf just happened” and “stand still and observe the weirdness” thought process
Welcome to the community! My favorite part about TF2 is that 99.9% of the players care more about having fun than winning. Like you said, you can interact with members of the enemy team if something weird happens or just straight up choose not to fight and nobody will attack you. Great game :)
I can’t help but feel a lot of the players right now are just bot accounts, making the player count seem higher than it is :/
i thought i meant fps as in frames per sec. with the large number behind heavy in the thumbnail, and i just thought the heavy meant that this imortal frames per sec was in a tf2 server that kept growing (hence the chart)
none the wiser i was impressed by the video and it does sum up how tf2 is still alive
lol, interesting interpretation
Ok, that scene at 4:56 of you falling down while rockets fly all around you reminds me of that one scene in MGR lmao
Very Epic
While most of the gameplay clips are mine, that's a clip from a Muselk video :) Now that I think about it I probably should have added another caption to the clip giving him credit. Also what's MGR?
@@HeyGrouch Metal Gear Rising, you know, the funny "Standing here" meme, theres a scene where the protagonist Raiden runs down a tall building while a giant robot shoots missiles at him from below.
don't forget the importance of it being an easy game to get into - despite Valve's repeated failures at making effective tutorials and hints - entirely thanks to the active community of crreators
great point! 🔥
Honestly was thinking I was watching a big youtuber like fish on a stick or elmaxo with the structure and editing, I love this. Very underated
thanks man 🔥 we're getting there
Even though i don't play this game much often as before but i still feel in love with this game and come back to play it from time to time. Great video man
Thanks :) The game has so much variety built into it, I don't see myself getting bored of it any time soon
Wow. I was totally unaware that the TF2 videos were actually from Valve's literal, actual Service Development Kit. I also did not know they had a level editor, let alone (again) the full Service Development Kit.
Yeah, Valve apparently liked at the time to give out _all_ the tools needed to creat stuff yourself. Even if Hammer Editor is considered an _archaic hellscape_ it's still a lot of power given to the community.
I swear to god it wouldn't surprise me to see my grandchildren play this game one day
I'm gonna force my grandkids to play it with me
Every new game wants to be a TF2 killer. I say bring it on
Bring on the pain! 💪💪💪 I wanted to talk about it in the video but Overwatch actually HELPED TF2's players because it got new people into class based arena shooters lol
tf2 is an important game to me and i hope it never fades into nothing, if it really has to die, its gonna be a show
also tf2 balls
If it ever does die, I don't think it will stay dead. Some mad scientist programmer out there will revive it like Frankenstein. Just look at TF2 Classic and other similar mods :)
If this game gets above 150k players i shalt eat 1 spoonful of toothpaste
@@IfeelNotSafe Wait till the next big update and you will eat the full tube
@@JestarPhoenixi sure hope
I Think, also a Part, at least for me, why TF2 is so good is because it lets the player express themselfes. There is almost no Lobby without some guy typing absolut Dogshit, funny stuff or even very questionable things and dont get me started on the Objectors etc., I love this about tf2
100%
The voice actors also played a role in keeping this game alive. Every one of them except the Engineer’s voice actor love the tf2 community and love interacting with them to the point I would even consider they are just as much a part of the tf2 community as everyone else.
TF2's VAs are one of a kind ❤️
TF2 community after see the Valve dont make updates anymore:"Fine,i'll do myself."
🔥🔥🔥
Considering TF2 is getting a VScript update soon, this will further immortalise it because you can pretty much do almost anything with the game now without server plugins and it can be added to official matchmaking
And anyone can download the maps from the workshop, just like any other map. Search "vscript" on the TF2 workshop, and "TF2 Vscript" on UA-cam. Someone already got Bad Apple into TF2 xD
I played this game yesterday with kids who werent even born when i first started playing this game back in 2008.
Beautiful, ain't it? I love finding random 12 year olds who only have 15 hours in the game. Reminds me of myself at that age :)
Absolutely wonderful video, my guy. You summed up everything perfectly. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it :)
counter-strike is 20 years old, still one of the biggest Esport in the world.
cs is legendary too
I grew up on TF2, and I play TF2 regularly still. I hope TF2 stays around forever.
I hope so too.
As the great b4nny said: the only way people will stop playing tf2 is if valve themselves delete it.
I don't think even that could kill it tbh
Ive made so many friends and memories on this game, even after justplaying it for 1 year and a half. God save TF2!
Same man! The people you meet in TF2 are one of a kind
TF2:
Community servers,
Dedicated servers for players to host,
Plugins and custom code for servers which allow for indepth modification the gameplay and mechanics.
Customizeable game files to alter sounds and models ingame,
No emphasis on competition,
Game assets to make animated movies/games,
Map editor.
Overwatch 2, which, at the time of writing is "the latest hotness".
No community servers, unless you count "custom game" servers which I dont.
No dedicated servers, all servers owned by blizzard.
Workshop feature that is not active at release but is way more bare bones then Sourcemod. Although it is admitedly, a really intuitive and well made tool that is only bad because it's limited.
No altering of game sounds, models, ui or anything of the sorts.
Game's entire core principle is on competitive matches which makes winning the only reward out of an entire game instead of playing for fun.
Blizzard is attempting to encode the character models to prevent porn, indirectly harming any hopes for movies and animated features with the characters.
One year after Overwatch 1 was released, there was talks of a map editor. There's still no map editor on the sequel.
🤔🤔🤔He makes good points.
And OW still better than tf2 l0l
I'm still amazed team fortress 2 has so many players still and bring in new players still to this day.
Me too. A small chunk are likely just bots to be fair, but I've never had a problem finding a full server on pretty much any map I want to play :)
@@HeyGrouch well it's still more consistent than other games
I think it's important to mention, TF2 revolutionized gaming entirely. It was the first game to feature lootboxes. It was the first main example of "Live service, free to play" ACTUALLY WORKING beyond a basic phone game. TF2 didn't play on the same level as other games, it flipped the tables over and made new tables that all other FPS games play on to this day.
I didn't know your channel is small. Your content is so good i thought you have 117k subscribers. I'm impressed and subbed :D
Thanks man!! :D That means a lot!
valorant:you can't defeat me
overwatch:yeah i know but he can
TF2: HAHAHA I AM BULLETPROOF!!!
Man your editing is on point!
Thank you!!
"Or they're treating their consumers like mindless consumes who will anything you put in front of them"
And that's because they absolutely, 100%, are. For instance, the amount of people that will buy Elder Scrolls VI when it comes out, simply because "it's an elder scrolls game" despite the fact that Bethesda is notorious for launching progressively more and more messy titles. What about the absurd amount of people that play games Genshin Impact on the basis of "it looks cute" or whatever.
Gamers really don't deserve a better product, at this point the gaming community is not entitled to "a good product" as what they really want is "a product". They are more than content being played as morons.
I mean, yeah, you're correct.
@@HeyGrouch Thanks. Sometimes it feels like I'm alone in this sentiment.
remove random crits
random crits are the best part about tf2
You have a criminally underrated channel
thanks man 🔥🔥
Tf2's art style, age and community are all great and all, but the main reason I'd say it's so popular right now is mostly because of these 2 reasons:
1. There are no other FPS games that can run on a literal toaster and still have a decently sized playerbase.
2. There are no good FPS games that are team shooters with the ability to throw away the team part, you can be a team player or mindlessly do you thing and not contribute in the slightest, no one will give a fuck (eg. 12v12 rather than 5v5 or 6v6 aka so chaotic that no one minds you doing your thing).
The moment an FPS comes out that can fulfil those 2 requirements, has active developers and at least decent gameplay variety is the day that tf2 will drastically drop. I'm certain that if Overwatch wasn't so team based then most of the tf2 community would be there.
Of course tf2 would still be sort of popular, just not nearly as.
There are so many more reasons why the game is so timeless:
- Unique, incredibly polished, charming cartoony visuals that can be run even on old machines.
- Rich on personality fun characters that, despite being built of silly stereotypes, are still unique and untypical comparing to most games (basically, the entire cast is made of pretty awful villains when you think of it but they're still really charming people).
- Insane customisation possibilities and absolutely no pay2win whatsoever.
- Amazing deep gameplay where you can try so many different playstyles and keep perfecting them further and further.
- A lot of ways to socialize in the game through the taunts and stuff.
- Literally PERFECT casual vibe. That's what multiplayer games lack especially hard nowadays - just the opportunity to relax and have fun while deciding for yourself how tryhardy you're feeling today.
No hard result recordings, no prizes for the victory, no class limits, no forced team play, no penalties for leaving a match or doing silly stuff, no harsh behaviour rules (except for the most basic ones) - that all gives each TF2 player the magical feeling of freedom to do whatever you want and have fun.
By the way, 12 players per team is just a nearly perfect number - when there are so many players, each individual player still matters and their contribution to the victory is notable but at the same time, 1-2 players being newbies or just fooling around doesn't hurt team too much and they still can perform pretty well.
You critical hit the nail on the HEAD. Especially the casual part - 12v12 is always gonna be more fun to me than a 5v5. TF2 encourages teamplay by making it fun, other games encourage teamplay by making you lose if you don't communicate. The FREEDOM is so real too. I have like 400hrs on soldier and just recently started using the Air Strike and it feels like I discovered the class all over again. LOVE THIS GAME 🔥🔥🔥
About the number of players playing tf2
Its estimated that most of the players "online" are either bot accounts meant to either farm items or trolling, or just regular people being afk. Still, 40k concurrent players is still good for a 15 year old game.
3:20 Leave my precious little game alond
Haha, it's all in good fun :) I a buddy that absolutely ADORES Cyberpunk 2077
you know another thing that's so great about Team Fortress 2?
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it out lived Overwatch.
With the new breadcrumbs of the Summer update, the TF2 community will be able to survive for at least 5 more years.
Tf2 is a goddamn Lich.
Every time it reaches the brink of death, it persists just long enough to collect the strength to resurface. It takes a specially crafted situation to even deal damage to TF2, and even more nonsense to make that damage stick.
Its Free 2 Play and even if they didnt profit much with F2P they still have loads of money through their sales within the Steam Store to keep just the server running up
also the others too, L4D2 and CSGO
even with the birth of the new ones, they are still standing quite on top (B4B is rejected by most of L4D2 community, Valorant is a good competitor and will be a good competitor but they didnt make CSGO actually dead)
100% certified facts
Dude, it is not a FPS, it is a War Themed Hat Simulator!
FPS: Fancy Paraphernalia Simulator
So true! I love this game so much, this is the only one I played almost 3000 h xD another games max 100h... and this community... CUDO ;D
TF2 is my most played game by a longshot, it's the only Steam game I have with a 4 digit hour count haha. Minecraft might also have 4 digits for me but idk 🤔
TF2 will never die, despite the voiceactors dying, lack of support from devs, bots, cheats, rage, toxicity. It will always be a timeless classic.
Why won't TF2 die?
Simple, instant Dead Ringer recharge glitch
that explains it!
@@HeyGrouch damn, replying to all comments, what a chad
I partially agree with you, but I don't know if it's just the maps and movies that keep this game afloat. Remember the drought between love and war and jungle inferno for new weapons. Balance changes keep things interesting
Very true. I wish I also touched on community servers and mods :)
Credits to janitor and the plant who kept updating the game! xD
*"We are going to live forever!"* Soldier was telling us the truth, he was ahead of the time
lol
i thought this was about somehow getting the number of fps in the thumbnail in tf2 💀
The fact TF2 is still going strong despite in how terrible shape it is _(like basically no optimization, cheaters, obsolete and/or hated mechanics still in game, the options and server browser is terrible etc. etc)_ proves how great game it is that people just don't care or that there's no other game that's as good as tf2.
Nobody has done it the same since 🔥
EA: "we like money"
Blizzard: "WE CONTROL OUR GAME"
Valve: "we... we... we have a game?"
honestly accurate
How Team Fortress 2 survived: *Complex explanation on what Valve gives and what the communities make”
How Overwatch survived:
*porn.*
To be fair to overwatch I think the consumers of the game itself and the consumers of that are unrelated, even if there's a huge overlap. I mean, logically, you could always just consume that dastardly media without playing the game itself
WOW I didn't know Valve created SFM and gave it away for free after creating TF2 stuff with it. As a programmer and a gamer, I got much more respect for Valve knowing this. Thanks for the cool video!
Thanks! Yeah Valve is pretty awesome
I know than no on cares but maaan since I saw my 1 sfm I was stunned all I wanted is to play Tf2 I'm 2004 BTW I was like idk 10 back then but in 2017 I realized hay I can dawnload games now so what about Tf2... It was like Christmas morning for me I did it I dawnloadet Tf2 so ever since then I got Tf2 on my pc I Newer uninstaleted it unlike basicaly ewery other game. What I mean is I love this comunity i love this same old maps I love this hipe when valve do something once a month Wich don't change the game a bit (damn you must be bored if your still reading this and you probably got stroke while traing to read it) Tf2 is something that I will never forget.
I'll never forget it either 🔥 And as long as the servers are up I'll keep playing!
As much as I like to talk shit on Valve for them dropping the ball on a lot of projects and their lack of communication skills, they really were an amazing company. Yeah, even though they have pretty much abandoned they game, they are still indirectly keeping it alive by them giving the community so many tools to succeed.
Pretty much, I'm a huge valve fanboy haha
So value utilized one of the strongest resources any game developer has available to them? i.e. the community of players who are willing to put in ridiculous hours of free work just because they have a passion for the game?
I've never seen such a smart strategy. You just give the playerbase everything they need to continue your work while you rake in all the loot box profits. And you'll be commended for it too.
I think it holds alot of the reason as to why tf2 has lived so long. Like right now with ow2 we just saw that companies can remove games we paid 40-60 quid on, at a moments notice.
Valve really pushed a lot of boundaries back in the day
Yeah even if it "somehow" dies, Valve will be like "O yeah TeamFortress 3 it's been in development for like 10 years ago as a backup, take the L also more hat." TF2 is the water bear of gaming, and how to the devs do it, by doing fuck all and giving literally everything they used to make the game to the community
i love it for that lol
There are a load of reasons as to why TF2 is alive and well. But basically, gameplay, diversity in weapons, dress up, an economy, artstyle, lore, cosplaying value, the silhuette test, the funny diaolgue, the character's personality, and so.. SO much more.
SO MUCH MORE!!!
Tf2 to other games:
"If God had wanted you to live, he wouldn't have created me!"
Miss ya, Rick.
Gotta love Rick
other game devs: "oh f*ck, the source code was leaked, we need to stop them now"
tf2 devs: "look, this is the source code, the filmaker and the map creator, do whatever you want"
tf2 community. *creates balanced maps, original gamemodes, and movies*
devs: "nice work, we want this in the game"
🔥🔥🔥
This game is an integral part of the Internet, no matter what anyone does, (including Valve acting like a neglectful parent) TF2 won’t be going anywhere, and I couldn’t be happier about it.
you speak truth
I still believe that if you want to make an immortal game, you need to give your players the dev tools.
The sheer amount of possibilities turn any game with a healthy player base into a perpetual motion machine of fun.
A lot like Minecraft or Skyrim modding extended their lifespans for an unreasonable amount of time.
Even if those dev tools were not officially given but developed independently and are user friendly that is true.
Just look at all the Rom Hacks of generation 3 Pokémon games.
Those games are as old as TF2 and still get played a lot by a community that changes the base game to their liking with personal challenges or complete overhaul mods that add in other mechanics from later games.
yes 100%
For having no mod support, Wizard101 has a healthy population despite being from the late 2000's.
that's nuts lmao
"I'm too handsome ta die!"
~~ TF2 Scout
To paraphrase DougDoug, games like Overwatch have a strict menu that is initially decent. Good, even. But even then the quality is only as good as the management.
TF2 let all the customers into the kitchen and let them go crazy. At this point, the game is a madhouse and the inmates run the asylum, and I love it.
100000% true
Fps games nowdays: repetitive gameplay , generic characters, most of the time Ultra realistic graphics
TF2: Bread
booger bread
You didn't even mention the goofy ass interactions that happen in-game tho
The only other fps games I believe could hit the 10 year mark is overwatch and fortnite. But I believe overwatch will barely be able to reach 10 years, fortnite on the other hand I believe is garaunteed to reach 10 years.
Yeah I could see Fortnite reaching 10 years. Overwatch I almost guarantee will not lol
At his point I believe TF2 is just so big that it will run forever, just like minecraft, both are 'old' games, so old that there are people playing it that were born after the game's release, meaning they will get new players constantly
i hope so!
if you are watching this and havent played tf2, please do!
it is immortal not only due to the creativity of the community, but - fuck, its just a fantastic game.
^^^
ahh... what a bad time to release OW2. *sips coffee*
Any time is a bad time to release OW2 lmao 😂
I forgot the game is 15 years old, Jesus Christ
And counting 💪