One of the things that I've noticed with these OEM prebuilts is that even reinstalling Windows doesn't help with the weird software behavior. It's like they are possessed at the factory with incurable PC venereal disease.
Some of them I've heard have essentially hardwired bloatware installed on the physical hardware. There are some reports a few of these OEMs have Spyware chips on the MOBOs themselves. And makes the information easier for hackers and other malicious groups to get into the information through a sort of backdoor.
@asdrubale bisanzio so, if you want to stop this garbage fire (i mean why would you), you'd need to flash a new BIOS? can you even do that, and is there firmware available?
Hey Dell, if you're watching, pretty much everyone watching this will refer to this video for years to come whenever we encounter anyone online considering one of your products. It's in your best interest to take notes and improve, that is all.
They don't care. Home PC users are declining (except for PC gamers) and it is very low margin. Dell's workstations and servers are much, much higher quality and the customer service for businesses is much better (USA based instead of India)
@@yewtewbstew547 There's no grounds for DMCA here. DMCA has to do with copyright. They wouldn't do that. And if they do, they'll lose and then get railed for it.
I call it value-subtract software. Like there's value-add software that increases the value of the final product, this is stuff that actively makes the product worse, and the vendor is paid by distributors of the software to include it. This literally makes the computer worse.
The key board not cracking till it did doesn't surprise me as it's only the plastic shell cracking. As a rage gamer membrane keyboards last longest when raging. The Blackwidow Chroma Ultimate v1 lasted through much abuse as well. Being bent back and forth over my knee (fixing the M key after smacking it back over my knee to straighten it) because that's a thing. Having a noticable divot in the board after multiple punches and still works. Some buttons require an odd press to work and occasionally just won't but still impressive.
My mom bought a Dell years ago, she said it was running really slowly. I took a look at it and there were a billion Dell apps running in the background so I did a complete reinstall of Windows and used one of my MSDN licenses. It was SO much faster.
Is there a way to get rid of the bloatware running in the background? Can I manually shut them off? I never reinstalled windows fresh on my G5 and I’m wondering how much faster it would be if I could get rid of the bloat stuff?
I used to work at Dell (via EMC) and it does me so much good to hear you and Linus shitting on them for being terrible. Getting laid off from there was one of the best things that ever happened to me.
"The Intel CPU and nVidia GPU are working basically as expected, it's just that Dell put them in a computer." That's harsh, but fair. And I laughed hard at it.
I have a Dell PC because my company agreed to pay for it. I did a fresh install of windows immediately and I've been fairly happy. When troubleshooting clients who have all of these other apps... I get very upset. Command update is all you need.
I work on dell machines for a living, so i can confidentally say that this literally is an optiplex pc that has been reskinned as a budget gaming computer. The proprietary mobo and psu are huge tipoffs to this.
I agree completely! Especially because it only has one 8 GB RAM stick and had four slots total. This thing would be better off in a library making somebody mad
Been working with Dell PCs my entire life because companys somehow think they are good... never had a week without any PC or Laptop related problems. I tried to convince my Boss to try other providers such as Lenovo or Intel (they are not the best but for the same Money they provide far better Hardware then Dell) but.. it was Dell again -.-
You're not giving them enough credit. They may have programmed it to reduce the mining load once it detect that someone noticed it and was getting suspicious.
If Steve, knowing his way around tech, gets utterly confused about the bloatware and it's purpose, I can only imagine how a normal, average joe user will feel about it when it boots up their new computer.
I install every toy/skin/app I can find for fun when I'm bored. Still don't max 3% idle use on my old 6600 (was a 4430 before). How does Dell do this on NEW hardware.
@@MushfiqueBinHossain i didn't know better at the time, but now i have learned a lot here on UA-cam a did build my own rig following guides here on the channel :D
Start with pcdecrapifier. After that, see what you get. Doesn't matter in this case, as you'd be a fool to buy Dell. But try the software on laptops, helps a lot.
Would love to see a third episode where Steve attempts to improve the machine without spending money, eg improving air flow, removing bloatware etc and then bench marking again
@@runed0s86 They would still want the computer to be usable for the average person and able to be used with their benchmarking software. Besides, if your goal is to remove bloat, an Ubuntu based system really isn't the way to go, you'll have to get a minimalist Arch or Gentoo install on there.
@@Demopans5990 Mint is absolutely usable (and actually often recommended for) users switching over from Windows. For something with as little bloat as possible, an Arch-based distro or simply Debian would be a good choice in my opinion. Ubuntu and Pop!OS aren't as clean-cut as they may appear to be, unfortunately. Pop!OS also has built-in bloat and purposefully obstructs customization of anything beyond the UI, and Canonical (the company behind Ubuntu) with their quasi-proprietary snap store is infamous by now.
I heard you wanted some Dell with your Dell, so we added some Dell to your Dell's Dell. That'll cost you $9.99 a month and 30% of your performance. Thanks. 😃😃
@Deon Denis and also spend years of your life figuring out what bootleg video editing software you can install or how to hotwire 15 different programs to get a basic game to run.
@@eivis13 MSI is garbage as well. Got a shitty MSI Optix screen here and I also used to have a shitty MSI graphics card. In my experience Dell, MSI and Logitech are a big nope.
"Where is the value in this computer? It comes with at least 14 control panels and applications right there ready to use when you turn it on... good, that's good." The slightly pained and resigned expression on his face when he said it was good after the pause just killed me, classic.
Can you guys do a "part 3" where you show a new owner/user how to install a fresh OS and how to setup a machine like this to run optimally? Might help some viewers...
@@runed0s86 Plays *several* games on Proton. Now keep in mind, I love linux and use it daily on my laptop, but on my main desktop I just can’t use it. Way too many games that DON’T support Linux. R6, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty (all newer titles), etc. Now in all fairness, it HAS gotten better.
It is more the, "hey you know just enough to be dangerous with a computer right?" With a small firm they don't have IT support. I was going to help him build their new computers but since you can't buy GPUs, his boss just ordered some from Dell.
@@pkt1213 Dangerous is correct if he considered you building them, and he's there deploying the PCs as is from Dell. They should have contracted an MSP for support if they're too small for IT on salary
I have this elderly aunt in my life, and this is when you take that computer, ditch Windows 10, and turn it into a Chromium OS device with Neverware CloudReady OS Home Edition which is free, and save yourself all the headaches of having to deal with Windows, or even a simple Linux distro like Manjaro Mate.
@@danielharvison7510 I had to switch her old Lexmark printer out to an HP which Chromium OS picked up right away plugged in with a USB cable under the printer settings, but for her needs of surfing the web, doing some office documents with Google Docs, using Google Duo for video calls to family(older Logitech webcams work like a charm) streaming audio from YT Music etc... it's worked out fine, the only streaming service we have found that does not work is NBC Peacock(does not work on pure Linux either BTW only Windows, and OSX ATM on desktop no matter the browser), but she has a ROKU for that anyways so no big deal. I just use Etcher to write to an 8GB USB 2.0 flash drive for the installer.
Even if you clean install Windows, the Microsoft Store can detect you're using an OEM PC and install branded bloatware utilities without asking. I've had it happen on Asus, Lenovo and MSI laptops. Even on Pro edition added to a domain.
I've reinstalled Windows several times on my current PC, an Asus prebuilt, and every time I'll have to uninstall all the fluff again. It makes the already tedious process of installing Windows far worse.
@@gzqhesflexcl Been on Arch for a few months, before that it was switching between Debian and Void. Just went back to Windows a couple days ago after yet another full system crash caused by trying to play a game that uses a lot of RAM. Linux isn't there yet, probably never will be now they're putting developers and resources into open source metaverse instead of fixing their awful resource manager.
@@Hogdriva for those of use that live in a poor country and have to pirate stuff av are neccesary because you do get quite a few if you are not careful(granted, it's well deserved in that case). Either way the worst experiences I have had with viruses were all through using other peoples usb sticks cuz the average user is pretty ignorant and the just download whatever.
@@watashiboku7225 I saw a gaming prebuilt at walmart made by Digital storm selling for over $1,000 that had an ITX motherboard in a full size ATX case with an acrylic side window with one dinky little rgb fan. It came with the smallest and most unreliable cpu cooler I've ever seen. It came with an i7-8700 and a 1660 super. I bet that would be a better buy than this.
lenovo legions are decent except for the psu, the weird intel cpu cooler mounting system on am4 motherboards and some stupid shit like not being able to control the fan speed. But they use mostly standard parts, lenovo gpus are pretty decent, and there actually is almost no preinstalled bloatware
I managed to snag a Dell computer for $550. Technically worth it, but lemme tell ya. I had an audio skipping issue no matter what my output was…..turns out the Dell software was causing it. I don’t even know
That's for spreading the word! Bloatware is getting out of control. I seriously pity people who are unable to remove junk and unwanted spyware system parts either via PowerShell on Windows or ADB tools on Android.
I don't know why Dell seems to have such a good reputation, I've never seen a good product from them or heard anyone have anything good to say about them.
They are mostly enterprise focused and in that enviorment they are alright. We only use Dell at work, and as long as you just Install Windows again, they work fine
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It's amazing to see the amount of time and resources that go into making things worse. I mean there is literally people designing and engineering this stuff.
The engineers for Dell just do whatever the bean counters tell them to. That's why there's no good design decisions made on these things. It's all about profits.
They were specifically designed to not last long. So that school, library, public places could dump money in every couple year either fixing or replacing. General electronics: lol been doing that for decades
Yay, wish I had something like this 9 months ago. Spent a fortune upgrading the cooling to Noctua range of fans including the multi pipe cooling stack to keep the l7 under control. From delivery cpu running under marginal load was spiking high 90’s and even maxing out at 100. With new 120mm rear fan and cooler stack can run 60 FPS games at 73-78 degrees - still high but useable. The GPU still screams like a banshee.
I would like to see a part 3 where you optimize the system in any way you can. Put in a extra fan or 2, another channel of RAM, fresh Windows 10 install, maybe take off the front panel and see what that gets the system in benchmarks. I know it wont fix the fan curves or any of the other inherent problems, but it could be a perfect show and tell as to why Dell just sucks at building systems. It would cost little extra to put in another fan and the rest is optimization that costs nothing.
I've helped many people out with Dell computers just by doing a clean install using a windows disk (With the product key that came with the computer) and the drivers only downloaded from the Dell site. One person couldn't access their computer after an update by Dell's own update software. But it worked fine after a clean install with no more bloatware. I've actually been doing this probably since the mid 90's. I think the first computer I did it with was a Packard Bell (Remember those?).
Back when I was working for a local IT services provider, whenever a client would order Dell or Lenovo PCs the very first thing we'd do is wipe the factory load and re-load just Windows 10 Pro OEM. Since the key is embedded in the BIOS, it always activated. Then we'd load on the client's software stack and create an image of that and use it to load all the other new PCs or an existing PC if it was going to be re-used for another employee.
I recently restored a Dell Inspiron 5675 that was sitting around unused for a while. When I got it, I recall the pre-installed Dell Windows 10 image had the same amount of bloatware, along with hardware stability issues. For no reason, Windows would completely stop responding except for the mouse cursor, requiring a hard reboot. Once I installed a clean Windows 10 OS via USB, the bloatware was gone and Windows never froze anymore. The 5675 also has support for Windows 11! It's definitely not the best gaming PC, but for something to run retro game emulators and making a media center PC with an ATSC USB TV tuner dongle, the 5675 will do fine for that. Oddly, the 5675 UEFI setup looks nothing like the G5 5000. It's a InsydeH20 interface straight out of the early 2000s!
Reinstall a fresh copy of windows the "windows" they include installs they're crapware by default. Rebuilt a lot of old dell business computers for gaming. Been the same for years. Always better to get a fresh windows key and start fresh...but do your research a lot of power supplies can't be upgraded due to proprietary connectors...unless you can map the output of the pins and make your own atx compatible connector...been there done that not fun unless someone has done it for u. There can be some value to their pcs just inform yourself before you buy.
@@jameshendershot4234 Not sure if things are different in the Alienware world, but I used the Fresh Start option built into Windows and it gave me a clean install without any of the shitware and I didn't need to buy a new key to get there.
@@dan537 I buy old dell business machines and upgrade them for gaming on the cheap. Not gonna spend my dollars on anything they've built new...waste of money. Buying cheap keys for window has been my go-to as I can transfer it to a new build without much hassle can't do with a dell key. But yeah if you got it works go for it.
The point is, _nobody should have to do that with a prebuilt computer_ like, at all. You don't have to do that with a console. You don't have to do that with a Mac. And if a server builder was this shoddy, they'd lose their account for the business instantly. Why are the rest of us forced to suffer?
I personally like the way their bois looks, I have a Dell precision m6400 from 2008 that uses that bios, but I do agree with you on the fact that there is not very many what I would consider critical settings. ie fan curves & CPU voltage adjustment
@@zacheslick Top notch? Every Dell laptop I've ever opened has had needlessly proprietary or hard to work on parts. Easy to access, NON SOLDERED RAM, a normal 2.5" or 2280 form factor M.2 drive, and a reasonable amount of screws with minimal plastic clips would be "top notch." See Lenovo.
I worked in IT at a company that works exclusively with Dell. We wrote a script for internal use that uninstalls everything but our whitelist of company approved programs, (essentially nothing, even removes Microsoft nonessentials like Microsoft store). This video reminded me of that script... Got a personal laptop through the company. The only pre-installed program that still remains is Dell update command. Since I can't be bothered to compare version numbers and that program does not run unless opened (at least I do not recall modifying it to operate that way). Edit: added a space...
Interesting this series. One thing I reckon could be of benefit is having someone from Dell on to actually explain why they feature such bloatware and get them to go through and explain what the purpose of most of their bloatware is. I do think that some of it is genuinely beneficial like the Service and Support/Warranty apps but obviously most is actually 'bloatware'. This is problem the main thing missing from your video to really make it top notch - a more formal opportunity for Dell to rebut any claims you make and it'd just be interesting to see what they'd say if you had a guest employee of theirs.
Steve, in the Details tab of the task manager, you can actually switch on a GPU and GPU Engine column (Right click any column header, then Select Columns and pick GPU and GPU Engine). This will tell you which specific process is chewing up the GPU. I think the GPU Engine is for dedicated encoding/decoding tasks.
Very good, gamer oriented, useful content. Way better than those videos talking rumors and soap opera between the major players in the industry. Keep it up guys, good stuff!
This actually worked well for me. I needed a mid-range GPU, and my son was asking for a computer to play Roblox on. I picked this up for $620 - I was able to pull the GPU out, stick my old 960 in this and my custom build is running much higher benchmarks than these. I couldn't find a 1660S for under $600 at the time so this worked out great.
@@GamersNexus Ha! I just went back and looked and it was $580 but they tacked on 1 year of McAfee AND the on-site “repair” service, bringing it to $649. It had the 10400 and the 1660S but no side window. Inside looks identical though. This was in March 2021
I know it's UK company but try PC Specialist. My brother was after a new VR setup for his step son and managed to pick up a 10400F with 6700XT, 16GB RAM (2x8GB sticks!), 512GB Nvme, TUF B460-M gaming motherboard & an Antec case for £1001 with the no OS option (the Nvme & motherboard were upgraded from their original spec). It took about 4-5 weeks for him to receive and worked perfectly once we installed Windows 10 Pro and the rest of the programs he needed. The only thing I would say would be a slight concern was that there was no packing foam or air bags inside the case to try and stop the GPU or RAM from falling out but even though it didn't have that it still arrived in 1 piece and fully working without needing to reseat anything! For the price in the current climate he was more than happy with it and was intending on spending £1000 anyway for which we did originally spec the parts out as a build at home but that wasn't happening anytime soon at a reasonable cost so this was really his best option!
Ah those Killer WIFI/Ethernet drivers from Qualcomm ! I still have nightmare from the time I was student and ran an MSI GT70 back in 2013 with those bloatware, useless, unstable drivers ! They are the worst drivers I've ever seen in my life: unstable, disconnect very often, slow as fuck... I needed to ran on 1 specific Windows drivers to have my WiFI/Ethernet "working", not to mention all the times Windows secretly update the working driver to a newer one that doesn't work, or try to reinstall the one from Qualcomm. The "feature" of those Killer drivers from Qualcomm is an algo that "prioritise" gaming packet so you have a better ping. But in reality it makes micro-lag, or just disconnect you in online game and disconnect from your router for a few seconds. VERY FRUSTRATING !!!
The issue is that they literally build install instructions into the UEFI BIOS of the motherboard, meaning that even if you put a brand new hard drive into the pc, with a fresh installer via USB, it can still install these bloatware programs.
Nothing new that hasn't been done by dell for the last 20 years. Steve suffers to tell the noobies what to expect. At least dell for awhile started using non proprietary atx power supplies so us builders could bypass the shitty standards they forced upon us and make true gaming machines out of them.
Wow! I think your sponsor kind of missed the point of the mini ITX form factor when it's twice the size of a tower! I know it's for demonstrators but that thing is *HUGE!!!* My desktop is a mini ITX but I chose it to fit in a tiny case with minimal cooling required and capable of running off 12V DC. Looks like it could cool molten magma though, I'll give it that.
Haven‘t you seen the various update notifications? I‘m positive Dell is working very hard to even further increase the usefulness of these tools for the user!
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I like the keyboard flex, "Im not a weightlifter, but.. this is bad" moment.
As I tagged you after part 1... I STILL can't cancel my order online. Still broken. Still errors.
Dell: Don't.
You guys should mod the case and clean install windows to show the actual performance differences.
"Don't know what to do with it..." Well, just search for "punkin chunkin'" videos on the toob and I'm sure you'll think of something.
One of the things that I've noticed with these OEM prebuilts is that even reinstalling Windows doesn't help with the weird software behavior. It's like they are possessed at the factory with incurable PC venereal disease.
When I read this I heard it in your accented voice.
@@microtasker true
Some of them I've heard have essentially hardwired bloatware installed on the physical hardware. There are some reports a few of these OEMs have Spyware chips on the MOBOs themselves. And makes the information easier for hackers and other malicious groups to get into the information through a sort of backdoor.
@asdrubale bisanzio so, if you want to stop this garbage fire (i mean why would you), you'd need to flash a new BIOS? can you even do that, and is there firmware available?
PCVD, the death curse of prebuilt pcs
Hey Dell, if you're watching, pretty much everyone watching this will refer to this video for years to come whenever we encounter anyone online considering one of your products. It's in your best interest to take notes and improve, that is all.
inb4 they just DMCA strike the videos.
@@yewtewbstew547 yes they strike it, but as a review piece that is accurate it will be unfounded and still go right back up and stay up.
They don't care. Home PC users are declining (except for PC gamers) and it is very low margin. Dell's workstations and servers are much, much higher quality and the customer service for businesses is much better (USA based instead of India)
@@yewtewbstew547 There's no grounds for DMCA here. DMCA has to do with copyright. They wouldn't do that. And if they do, they'll lose and then get railed for it.
They just rely on the fact their customer base don't watch youtube videos about their PCs
This is why i never call it "Bloatware", to me it is more accurate to call it "Vendor Malware".
OEMalware
@@ariestob9670 that is awesome. stealing that one for the rest of my life.
That's what it is. In my experience, I never made use of a single piece of "software" from manufacturers.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo This is exactly why I just outright factory reset with a Windows USB to begin with- to decrapify immediately.
I call it value-subtract software. Like there's value-add software that increases the value of the final product, this is stuff that actively makes the product worse, and the vendor is paid by distributors of the software to include it. This literally makes the computer worse.
Steve: "How much bloatware is pre-loaded on this thing?"
Dell: 😉
Bloatware?? Its free software and enhancements!
@@parochial2356 Surprise Software Mechanics! :)
@@ValentineC137 haha! ^^
Dell more like: 😈
ALL OF IT AND MORE
I'm moderately impressed that the keyboard twisted so much before audibly cracking.
It's specially designed to flex to survive the rage of an angry gamer when they lose at Fortnite.
The key board not cracking till it did doesn't surprise me as it's only the plastic shell cracking. As a rage gamer membrane keyboards last longest when raging. The Blackwidow Chroma Ultimate v1 lasted through much abuse as well. Being bent back and forth over my knee (fixing the M key after smacking it back over my knee to straighten it) because that's a thing. Having a noticable divot in the board after multiple punches and still works. Some buttons require an odd press to work and occasionally just won't but still impressive.
I'm moderately impressed that you managed to find another nice thing to say about this OEM purchase
@@Alte.Kameraden After all it IS the ultimate dell fartright gaming pc.
My suggestion for a follow-up: Turn the case into an aquarium. With such bad airflow, minimal patching would be required to make it watertight.
The fish would deserve better.
There is actually one, it uses mineral gel (inert heat conductive) under the liquid film that conducts heat enough for a 2080 ti.
@@LuisGonzalez-dr2im woah yep.
@@LuisGonzalez-dr2im I was going to say the same, beat me to the punchline!
Dell preinstalling demand for their support services xd
It's *definitely* not secretly mining for coins.
I'm totally sure "Killer Analytics Service" wouldn't be used for nefarious reasons.
😂😂😂 good one
I wonder if you could get support for a swift refund that way
The official computer of "we have gaming PC at home."
"gaming"
Oh hell! It's a DELL!
Dell Ware
It's plays it's customers like as if it's a game.
Sounds like a regular car reviews quote XD
My mom bought a Dell years ago, she said it was running really slowly. I took a look at it and there were a billion Dell apps running in the background so I did a complete reinstall of Windows and used one of my MSDN licenses. It was SO much faster.
@@johndododoe1411so it’s unlimited use?
Is there a way to get rid of the bloatware running in the background? Can I manually shut them off? I never reinstalled windows fresh on my G5 and I’m wondering how much faster it would be if I could get rid of the bloat stuff?
Didn't realise how much i was waiting for the second part of this until i saw it in my inbox
Dell using emojis like:
"How do you do, fellow gamers?"
I used to work at Dell (via EMC) and it does me so much good to hear you and Linus shitting on them for being terrible. Getting laid off from there was one of the best things that ever happened to me.
How well did it went for you, did you find any good tech job?
@@goa141no6 Yea, and doubled my salary over what they were paying me. They tried to hire me back, and literally couldn't afford me.
@@aperson7624 they could afford you. Just didn't want to
@@GewelReal yes
@@GewelReal Ok Dell fanboy
"The Intel CPU and nVidia GPU are working basically as expected, it's just that Dell put them in a computer."
That's harsh, but fair. And I laughed hard at it.
Lmao, right 😂
I laughed hard as well lol, god damn the shade lol.
The official PC for "Thanks, I hate it" Gold Star Dell
Owned a dell laptop and i can say I wanted to smash that thing every time it booted
@@brandi8907 the latest dell laptops seem pretty good...
Clearly they aren’t designed by the same people who work on desktops!
@@Emerson-wj9kr my work-dell is unbearably loud I hate it
I have a Dell PC because my company agreed to pay for it. I did a fresh install of windows immediately and I've been fairly happy. When troubleshooting clients who have all of these other apps... I get very upset. Command update is all you need.
YES YES YES!
6:08 needs to be a reaction meme. I could almost see Steve’s soul leaving his body
"hide the pain Steve"
Good not good meme
His smile and dedication.
Gone.
I work on dell machines for a living, so i can confidentally say that this literally is an optiplex pc that has been reskinned as a budget gaming computer. The proprietary mobo and psu are huge tipoffs to this.
You're probably not a native speaker, so I hope you'll appreciate a small correction:
Confidentially means in secret
Confidently means with certainty
@@paulelderson934 i am a native speaker, but apparently my phone is not. Thank you anyways.
This thing looks exactly like my college lab computer. With ok spec i mean "it should work" But crash the program for us like all the goddamn time
I agree completely! Especially because it only has one 8 GB RAM stick and had four slots total. This thing would be better off in a library making somebody mad
Been working with Dell PCs my entire life because companys somehow think they are good... never had a week without any PC or Laptop related problems. I tried to convince my Boss to try other providers such as Lenovo or Intel (they are not the best but for the same Money they provide far better Hardware then Dell) but.. it was Dell again -.-
I was surprised that the 30% GPU intensity wasn't a hidden crypto miner going straight to Dell!
What if the command center is actually a miner app?
You're not giving them enough credit. They may have programmed it to reduce the mining load once it detect that someone noticed it and was getting suspicious.
Dont give them any ideas!
No way it has enough vram for mining ether maybe something else lol
@@edwardmiles5702 wooosh
If Steve, knowing his way around tech, gets utterly confused about the bloatware and it's purpose, I can only imagine how a normal, average joe user will feel about it when it boots up their new computer.
Your average joe will just assume all that garbage is needed for the system to properly work and leave it as is... And that's exactly what Dell wants
"You must update if you want to continue using the application" - "I don't even know what you are"
This PC has more bloat than I have regular programs on my PCs
I install every toy/skin/app I can find for fun when I'm bored. Still don't max 3% idle use on my old 6600 (was a 4430 before). How does Dell do this on NEW hardware.
Now imagine all this bloatware on a I3 8° generation, 4 gb of ram and a 500gb 5400 rpm hard drive...yeahhh. returned it Right away.
@@obliviador that legit gave me a heartache
@@MushfiqueBinHossain i didn't know better at the time, but now i have learned a lot here on UA-cam a did build my own rig following guides here on the channel :D
Start with pcdecrapifier. After that, see what you get. Doesn't matter in this case, as you'd be a fool to buy Dell. But try the software on laptops, helps a lot.
Would love to see a third episode where Steve attempts to improve the machine without spending money, eg improving air flow, removing bloatware etc and then bench marking again
Just installing Linux Mint would prevent all the bloatware. Then, all they really need is a bunch of holes in the case.
@@runed0s86 They would still want the computer to be usable for the average person and able to be used with their benchmarking software. Besides, if your goal is to remove bloat, an Ubuntu based system really isn't the way to go, you'll have to get a minimalist Arch or Gentoo install on there.
@@plebisMaximus
Ubuntu, mint, or pop os would be great upgrades to the somehow more bloated than default windows here
they could try SteamOS if valve ever makes SteamOS publicly available@@runed0s86
@@Demopans5990 Mint is absolutely usable (and actually often recommended for) users switching over from Windows. For something with as little bloat as possible, an Arch-based distro or simply Debian would be a good choice in my opinion.
Ubuntu and Pop!OS aren't as clean-cut as they may appear to be, unfortunately. Pop!OS also has built-in bloat and purposefully obstructs customization of anything beyond the UI, and Canonical (the company behind Ubuntu) with their quasi-proprietary snap store is infamous by now.
It's rare to find a video that gives me physical pain.
ask the keyboard at 1:00 lol
What is the opposite of ASMR?
@@stevenhoward8815 meth
@@stevenhoward8815 RMSA
I feel it too, my god its like 1998 all over again.
I heard you wanted some Dell with your Dell, so we added some Dell to your Dell's Dell.
That'll cost you $9.99 a month and 30% of your performance. Thanks. 😃😃
The emojis make this really relatable thanks 😊😊
Wife: Have you got anything without Dell?
Waitress: Well, there's Dell egg sausage and Dell, that's not got much Dell in it.
So Dell's new computer design philosophy can basically be summed up as such: "NO USER SERVICEABLE PARTS INSIDE."
But that's apples policy, no copycatting
Basically my policy with Dell PCs. Remove ram, CPU, and drives if I find them in a tech dump. The mobo can die
"We're going to outgreed the Apple"
@@aptspireno one outgreeds the apple
The biggest problem with bloatware, especially McAfee, is how much it latches onto your PC for dear life when trying to remove them.
YoU sTiLl HaVe An AcTiVe SuBsCrIptIoN
Don't be too cheap go buy a fresh copy of windows problem solved.
@@jameshendershot4234 can't you just write down the windows key that came with it and install a fresh copy.
@Deon Denis and also spend years of your life figuring out what bootleg video editing software you can install or how to hotwire 15 different programs to get a basic game to run.
@Deon Denis linux sucks for compatibility tho
"No reason not to use it unless it was an oversight, laziness or incompetence"
Dell: "yes"
"Shadow raid sponshorship" lmao 🤣
Raid and Dell got many things in common. They infect everything with their software. And it's all useless
Immediate laugh out loud from me... so much advertising in the gaming world...
"We wouldn't buy another one and wouldn't recommend you buy one either"
Thanks Steve
The keyboard is certainly a great value add
It's close to be unbreakable ... so ... yeah
It's a nice stress relief tool. I'm lubing my keyboard stabilizers now, and I could really use that Dell keyboard.
Shit I think if I tried to do that to my model M my hands would break before the keyboard :L
Coming soon to a thrift store near you
It's the Dell signature "minimum viable product" keyboard. MVP ;)
Funny how Dell has their own phone app while Windows has the same exact thing already.🤣🤣
I have an unreasonable fear of accidentally buying this computer.
I have nightmares at night when I hear dell, 🤣
@@thealien_ali3382 i have only good memories of the inspiron 1520. I moved on to MSI though (wanted a big gaming laptop). Next up XSX.
I dont blame you.
@@eivis13 MSI is garbage as well. Got a shitty MSI Optix screen here and I also used to have a shitty MSI graphics card.
In my experience Dell, MSI and Logitech are a big nope.
@@QoraxAudio
but.. I like my g pro superlight...
"Where is the value in this computer? It comes with at least 14 control panels and applications right there ready to use when you turn it on... good, that's good."
The slightly pained and resigned expression on his face when he said it was good after the pause just killed me, classic.
thats was pretty good. it was like the words actually hurt to say
Hide the pain Harold
his voice said "good, that's ...good"
his face said "please kill me" 😂
Well we know where the money is going, paying developers to create more bloat ware 🤣
Can you guys do a "part 3" where you show a new owner/user how to install a fresh OS and how to setup a machine like this to run optimally? Might help some viewers...
This 100%
literally though. New to PC and now I'm having a panic attack because my computer blows ass apparently lmfaaoo
@@Jideaohn just install Linux mint. It's faster and plays windows games in steam through proton.
Most computers are only used for chrome or Firefox.
@@runed0s86 Plays *several* games on Proton. Now keep in mind, I love linux and use it daily on my laptop, but on my main desktop I just can’t use it. Way too many games that DON’T support Linux. R6, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty (all newer titles), etc. Now in all fairness, it HAS gotten better.
@@runed0s86 do not install linux lol
**Dell flexes its features**
Steve: No, but this keyboard does!
I just sent this to my Dad. He responded that he isn't suprised. He is currently at work setting up their new Dell computers. 🤣
If your dad was good at his job he'd be deploying his own Windows image to the PCs, and not suffer from the majority of this.
Well he is really good at his job. He is the firms sr architect not IT. 🤣
@@pkt1213 If he really was that good they'd not be wasting his time setting up the computers.
Does he cook the lunch too? 🤣
It is more the, "hey you know just enough to be dangerous with a computer right?" With a small firm they don't have IT support. I was going to help him build their new computers but since you can't buy GPUs, his boss just ordered some from Dell.
@@pkt1213 Dangerous is correct if he considered you building them, and he's there deploying the PCs as is from Dell.
They should have contracted an MSP for support if they're too small for IT on salary
PC Builder: How much bloatware do you want on this pc?
Dell: yes
Dell is the computer your elderly aunt buys and then calls you asking why her brand new computer can't load Facebook in less than 12 minutes.
And she keeps calling it "Deer" or "Dale" and you can't figure out what she's talking about.
Dammit Aunt May, I warned you about Dell. I WARNED YOU!!!
I have this elderly aunt in my life, and this is when you take that computer, ditch Windows 10, and turn it into a Chromium OS device with Neverware CloudReady OS Home Edition which is free, and save yourself all the headaches of having to deal with Windows, or even a simple Linux distro like Manjaro Mate.
@@CommodoreFan64 Does that work out well? She can do everything she needs to with it?
@@danielharvison7510 I had to switch her old Lexmark printer out to an HP which Chromium OS picked up right away plugged in with a USB cable under the printer settings, but for her needs of surfing the web, doing some office documents with Google Docs, using Google Duo for video calls to family(older Logitech webcams work like a charm) streaming audio from YT Music etc... it's worked out fine, the only streaming service we have found that does not work is NBC Peacock(does not work on pure Linux either BTW only Windows, and OSX ATM on desktop no matter the browser), but she has a ROKU for that anyways so no big deal. I just use Etcher to write to an 8GB USB 2.0 flash drive for the installer.
"Maybe some new form of 'Shadow Raid' sponsorship." Jesus man. Brutal.
Almost spilled my coffee at that.
Funniest joke in the video 😂
When I skimmed the video for highlights of info
Even if you clean install Windows, the Microsoft Store can detect you're using an OEM PC and install branded bloatware utilities without asking. I've had it happen on Asus, Lenovo and MSI laptops. Even on Pro edition added to a domain.
Use a Windows "N" version
I've reinstalled Windows several times on my current PC, an Asus prebuilt, and every time I'll have to uninstall all the fluff again. It makes the already tedious process of installing Windows far worse.
@@gzqhesflexcl Been on Arch for a few months, before that it was switching between Debian and Void. Just went back to Windows a couple days ago after yet another full system crash caused by trying to play a game that uses a lot of RAM. Linux isn't there yet, probably never will be now they're putting developers and resources into open source metaverse instead of fixing their awful resource manager.
I think it's easier to just reinstall a fresh copy of windows and let windows defender handle everything.
Absolutely
We can only hope that the average user who would willing buy this "computer" will know someone who can help them with a re-install.
I haven't seen a virus since at least 2010, with no AV. AVs are a massive scam even more now that they are all SaaS
@@Hogdriva you'd see them if you pirated or mined.
@@Hogdriva for those of use that live in a poor country and have to pirate stuff av are neccesary because you do get quite a few if you are not careful(granted, it's well deserved in that case). Either way the worst experiences I have had with viruses were all through using other peoples usb sticks cuz the average user is pretty ignorant and the just download whatever.
"I'm sure there're good pre-builds out there but we haven't found them yet"
Legend says they're still searching
I'd say Cyberpower is decent.
Everything is better than this shit.
@@watashiboku7225 I saw a gaming prebuilt at walmart made by Digital storm selling for over $1,000 that had an ITX motherboard in a full size ATX case with an acrylic side window with one dinky little rgb fan. It came with the smallest and most unreliable cpu cooler I've ever seen. It came with an i7-8700 and a 1660 super. I bet that would be a better buy than this.
@@ChfHappySack sounds like a great pc in comparison. 😅
lenovo legions are decent except for the psu, the weird intel cpu cooler mounting system on am4 motherboards and some stupid shit like not being able to control the fan speed. But they use mostly standard parts, lenovo gpus are pretty decent, and there actually is almost no preinstalled bloatware
I managed to snag a Dell computer for $550. Technically worth it, but lemme tell ya. I had an audio skipping issue no matter what my output was…..turns out the Dell software was causing it. I don’t even know
The burn and sarcasm from Steve never lets us down
“Dude you’re getting a Dell!” has become “Dang you’re getting a Dell..? Yikes”
"Oh no, I'm sorry to have to tell you this...."
I also read the comments on the first video
@The End about what year are we talking about to get excited for a Dell?
@@RomanNumeral04 This relevant comic is from 2002, so at least before then: cad-comic.com/comic/dude/
"Dang you're getting a Dell" has been a constant for like 15 years, don't know where you've been
Straight ROAST session. This is too good, actual computer venereal disease.
Steve: "I Just really feels like they are connecting with me"
Dell: Would you like to play a game?
Steve: Ah! it talked to me
"We haven't found them yet, but I'm sure they exist" should be on a GN shirt
That's for spreading the word! Bloatware is getting out of control. I seriously pity people who are unable to remove junk and unwanted spyware system parts either via PowerShell on Windows or ADB tools on Android.
Steve: "We're not sure what to do with this computer..."
Me: When in doubt, C4.
Or Thermite.
Mythbusters solution
LTT on Dell: Prepare for trouble...
GN on Dell: And make it double!
LTT: "To protect the world from a garbage workstation."
To unite all gamers within our nation!
I don't know why Dell seems to have such a good reputation, I've never seen a good product from them or heard anyone have anything good to say about them.
Paid reviewers
Their laptops, especially the XPS line, can be very good but are marred by QC issues.
some of their enterprise computers are decent, and in some cases solid. it's just that they care more about their enterprise then consumer
They are mostly enterprise focused and in that enviorment they are alright. We only use Dell at work, and as long as you just Install Windows again, they work fine
Their laptops are lovely and the business class stuff is quality as well.
That Intel sticker on the front being slightly misaligned is triggering me...
11:50 "Maybe some new form of Shadow Raid sponsorship"
I absolutely lost it
same...
you can hear steve's disappointment when the software says "please update the application. it's worth it" with a smiley face
When Steve has to give a Christmas gift to someone he doesn't really like: "Dude, you're getting a Dell!"
Ouch!
Indeed
Remember those were the coolest of commercials back in the day.
Goodness, if this is not a sign of the times we live in today.
@@BeB02090 Those commercials were never cool...
@@kevadu Fine you win they were not 🙊
With warranty support included, just to rub it in...
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"The parts are fine but Dell touched it." - Everyone when telling their friends not to buy Dell.
These parts are NOT fine...... Lol it's all bad!
Show us on the doll where Dell touched you.
Dell's are great. HP also packs plenty into a PC for a very small price.
@@SeaJay_Oceans Dell sucks in every meaningful way.
@@apocalypseap I have a Dell G7 17 7700 Laptop and it's fantastic (RTX 2070 version)
at that point just erase the SSD and reinstall Windows...
It's amazing to see the amount of time and resources that go into making things worse. I mean there is literally people designing and engineering this stuff.
The engineers for Dell just do whatever the bean counters tell them to. That's why there's no good design decisions made on these things. It's all about profits.
They were specifically designed to not last long. So that school, library, public places could dump money in every couple year either fixing or replacing.
General electronics: lol been doing that for decades
22:34 "We're not sure what to do with this computer right now" I suggest thermite.
Wipe all the crap off and donate it to Goodwill. Then take a tax write-off on it.
Take out the GPU first of course, then yes, much thermite
@@AtlantaTerry leave a Linux mint boot CD in it before donating it to Goodwill. Save the next owner from the hassle and slowness of windows.
Yay, wish I had something like this 9 months ago. Spent a fortune upgrading the cooling to Noctua range of fans including the multi pipe cooling stack to keep the l7 under control. From delivery cpu running under marginal load was spiking high 90’s and even maxing out at 100. With new 120mm rear fan and cooler stack can run 60 FPS games at 73-78 degrees - still high but useable. The GPU still screams like a banshee.
"What is malware? Here let us show you." *Activates bitcoin miner*
Ethereum
Oh hell i mean. Oh Dell
6:08 killed me. So memeable. Just the genuine like trying to fake it but dying inside.
I would like to see a part 3 where you optimize the system in any way you can. Put in a extra fan or 2, another channel of RAM, fresh Windows 10 install, maybe take off the front panel and see what that gets the system in benchmarks. I know it wont fix the fan curves or any of the other inherent problems, but it could be a perfect show and tell as to why Dell just sucks at building systems. It would cost little extra to put in another fan and the rest is optimization that costs nothing.
"...buuuut it's not the worst we've heard": Dell execs all high five each other... "Woohoo, we're not the worst!"
Trust me there's a lot of Dell's damage control going on in the chat area 😬
Alternative title for the the video could be "Best Programs for Your Gaming PC Part 2". Thank you recommended videos.
I've helped many people out with Dell computers just by doing a clean install using a windows disk (With the product key that came with the computer) and the drivers only downloaded from the Dell site. One person couldn't access their computer after an update by Dell's own update software. But it worked fine after a clean install with no more bloatware. I've actually been doing this probably since the mid 90's. I think the first computer I did it with was a Packard Bell (Remember those?).
"Maybe some new form of Shadow RAID sponsorship?"
Hahaha, thank you for making my day GN! (Emoji Intensifies...)
Back when I was working for a local IT services provider, whenever a client would order Dell or Lenovo PCs the very first thing we'd do is wipe the factory load and re-load just Windows 10 Pro OEM.
Since the key is embedded in the BIOS, it always activated. Then we'd load on the client's software stack and create an image of that and use it to load all the other new PCs or an existing PC if it was going to be re-used for another employee.
To any Norwegian out there reading: McAfee = “Møkkafy”!
To anyone else: “Møkkafy” means “shameful pile of muck”!
The plant on the left is trembling at Steve's rage
I recently restored a Dell Inspiron 5675 that was sitting around unused for a while. When I got it, I recall the pre-installed Dell Windows 10 image had the same amount of bloatware, along with hardware stability issues. For no reason, Windows would completely stop responding except for the mouse cursor, requiring a hard reboot. Once I installed a clean Windows 10 OS via USB, the bloatware was gone and Windows never froze anymore. The 5675 also has support for Windows 11! It's definitely not the best gaming PC, but for something to run retro game emulators and making a media center PC with an ATSC USB TV tuner dongle, the 5675 will do fine for that. Oddly, the 5675 UEFI setup looks nothing like the G5 5000. It's a InsydeH20 interface straight out of the early 2000s!
11:44 "Maybe some new form of shadow raid sponsorship" haha
I caught that, McAfee has competition for the utterly useless piece of software award.
Shadow Raid was a good heist whaddya mean
That autofocus is causing high resource utilization of my eyeballs.
AvE has a solution for that... You need to curse at the camera and say "Focus you fuck!" with a thick canadian voice!
@@CMDRSweeper Uncle Bumblefuck has much knowledge to share :)
With an unnecessarily large number of really difficult modifications, that case could be really cool base for a sleeper build PC.
I don't want to think about the number of registry edits I would have to do to get rid of all the bloatware. Reinstall Windows.
For sure. That's the best move with this thing!
Reinstall a fresh copy of windows the "windows" they include installs they're crapware by default. Rebuilt a lot of old dell business computers for gaming. Been the same for years. Always better to get a fresh windows key and start fresh...but do your research a lot of power supplies can't be upgraded due to proprietary connectors...unless you can map the output of the pins and make your own atx compatible connector...been there done that not fun unless someone has done it for u. There can be some value to their pcs just inform yourself before you buy.
@@jameshendershot4234 Not sure if things are different in the Alienware world, but I used the Fresh Start option built into Windows and it gave me a clean install without any of the shitware and I didn't need to buy a new key to get there.
@@dan537 I buy old dell business machines and upgrade them for gaming on the cheap. Not gonna spend my dollars on anything they've built new...waste of money. Buying cheap keys for window has been my go-to as I can transfer it to a new build without much hassle can't do with a dell key. But yeah if you got it works go for it.
The point is, _nobody should have to do that with a prebuilt computer_ like, at all.
You don't have to do that with a console. You don't have to do that with a Mac. And if a server builder was this shoddy, they'd lose their account for the business instantly.
Why are the rest of us forced to suffer?
It's like watching a trainwreck, you just can't look away from the horror.
That my fellow youtube viewer, is called cringe entertainment.
You know where its headed it gonna end up bad, but you wanna see how it ends.
I personally like the way their bois looks, I have a Dell precision m6400 from 2008 that uses that bios, but I do agree with you on the fact that there is not very many what I would consider critical settings. ie fan curves & CPU voltage adjustment
As a dell service provider the reason that they had it set to “raid on” is because they didn’t put a mode for NVMe in the bios until recently
😐
A.K.A. we're Dell & even we don't want you to purchase our computers... 🤔
Great. Tell your friends. Lol
@@MLWJ1993 Oh I would definitely recommend dell
laptop repairability is top notch
@@zacheslick Top notch? Every Dell laptop I've ever opened has had needlessly proprietary or hard to work on parts.
Easy to access, NON SOLDERED RAM, a normal 2.5" or 2280 form factor M.2 drive, and a reasonable amount of screws with minimal plastic clips would be "top notch." See Lenovo.
I worked in IT at a company that works exclusively with Dell. We wrote a script for internal use that uninstalls everything but our whitelist of company approved programs, (essentially nothing, even removes Microsoft nonessentials like Microsoft store). This video reminded me of that script...
Got a personal laptop through the company. The only pre-installed program that still remains is Dell update command. Since I can't be bothered to compare version numbers and that program does not run unless opened (at least I do not recall modifying it to operate that way).
Edit: added a space...
Interesting this series. One thing I reckon could be of benefit is having someone from Dell on to actually explain why they feature such bloatware and get them to go through and explain what the purpose of most of their bloatware is. I do think that some of it is genuinely beneficial like the Service and Support/Warranty apps but obviously most is actually 'bloatware'. This is problem the main thing missing from your video to really make it top notch - a more formal opportunity for Dell to rebut any claims you make and it'd just be interesting to see what they'd say if you had a guest employee of theirs.
Steve, in the Details tab of the task manager, you can actually switch on a GPU and GPU Engine column (Right click any column header, then Select Columns and pick GPU and GPU Engine). This will tell you which specific process is chewing up the GPU. I think the GPU Engine is for dedicated encoding/decoding tasks.
I now know what I'm getting my enemies for Christmas
God I nearly bought a Dell pre built in the desperation of getting a GPU, I cannot be happier that I didn't
I made the mistake of doing so :/ Dell XPS with a 3070, but at this point I wish I had waited for a dif one
11:44 “Maybe some new form of Shadow Raid sponsoring” lol
2:53 The light in the back truly makes him look like tech jesus with his aura of light.
Very good, gamer oriented, useful content. Way better than those videos talking rumors and soap opera between the major players in the industry. Keep it up guys, good stuff!
I can see the pain and Steve's eyes as he talks about the bloatware😔
I wish I could see Dell's reaction to these videos. This along with LTTs experience with Dell goes to show that the company is just scamming people.
they're a cheap way to get a good gpu
but the rest of the pc is worthless
SWEET setup. you've got the critical performance components needed to play vanilla RuneScape like it's 2002.
They need to just change their name to HELL computers.
Big Bill Hells Computers
@@vtr_monsterextremo5145 If you're a big enough shmuck to buy a new PC this weekend you're a big enough shmuck to buy for Big Dell's Hell's computers.
Hell would sue them for bad PR.
"Dude, you got a Hell!"
@@CaerulaXSanguis LOL
This actually worked well for me. I needed a mid-range GPU, and my son was asking for a computer to play Roblox on. I picked this up for $620 - I was able to pull the GPU out, stick my old 960 in this and my custom build is running much higher benchmarks than these. I couldn't find a 1660S for under $600 at the time so this worked out great.
$620 for the whole computer? It was $900 when we bought it!
@@GamersNexus Ha! I just went back and looked and it was $580 but they tacked on 1 year of McAfee AND the on-site “repair” service, bringing it to $649. It had the 10400 and the 1660S but no side window. Inside looks identical though. This was in March 2021
@@TynologyGaming you played dell better then dell ever could well.played!
With fan control comes great responsibility
I know it's UK company but try PC Specialist. My brother was after a new VR setup for his step son and managed to pick up a 10400F with 6700XT, 16GB RAM (2x8GB sticks!), 512GB Nvme, TUF B460-M gaming motherboard & an Antec case for £1001 with the no OS option (the Nvme & motherboard were upgraded from their original spec). It took about 4-5 weeks for him to receive and worked perfectly once we installed Windows 10 Pro and the rest of the programs he needed. The only thing I would say would be a slight concern was that there was no packing foam or air bags inside the case to try and stop the GPU or RAM from falling out but even though it didn't have that it still arrived in 1 piece and fully working without needing to reseat anything! For the price in the current climate he was more than happy with it and was intending on spending £1000 anyway for which we did originally spec the parts out as a build at home but that wasn't happening anytime soon at a reasonable cost so this was really his best option!
96 dislikes are from Dell programmers which wrote those bloatware :-D
At least DELL had the forethought of preloading a literal KILLER APP 5:38
Ah those Killer WIFI/Ethernet drivers from Qualcomm ! I still have nightmare from the time I was student and ran an MSI GT70 back in 2013 with those bloatware, useless, unstable drivers ! They are the worst drivers I've ever seen in my life: unstable, disconnect very often, slow as fuck... I needed to ran on 1 specific Windows drivers to have my WiFI/Ethernet "working", not to mention all the times Windows secretly update the working driver to a newer one that doesn't work, or try to reinstall the one from Qualcomm.
The "feature" of those Killer drivers from Qualcomm is an algo that "prioritise" gaming packet so you have a better ping. But in reality it makes micro-lag, or just disconnect you in online game and disconnect from your router for a few seconds.
VERY FRUSTRATING !!!
Windows has a clean install option that’ll clear out all non windows programs. That’s what I used on my Acer laptop as soon as I got it.
The issue is that they literally build install instructions into the UEFI BIOS of the motherboard, meaning that even if you put a brand new hard drive into the pc, with a fresh installer via USB, it can still install these bloatware programs.
@@kaiser2979 Thats annoying. Does it do it with laptops too? I'm asking because I have noticed my inspiron has a constant 3 gigs of ram taken up
@@kaiser2979 open the pc, remove the cmos battery
Steve suffers so that we may be more informed. Thank you, Steve.
Nothing new that hasn't been done by dell for the last 20 years. Steve suffers to tell the noobies what to expect. At least dell for awhile started using non proprietary atx power supplies so us builders could bypass the shitty standards they forced upon us and make true gaming machines out of them.
Wow! I think your sponsor kind of missed the point of the mini ITX form factor when it's twice the size of a tower! I know it's for demonstrators but that thing is *HUGE!!!* My desktop is a mini ITX but I chose it to fit in a tiny case with minimal cooling required and capable of running off 12V DC.
Looks like it could cool molten magma though, I'll give it that.
If the additional fees weren’t so expensive you could say that this pre-built is a gift that keeps on giving… 🙃
Why do do you think they add the extra charges? :^)
The various add-on software developers need to be paid for their good work somehow 👍
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 The developers are already paid.
Haven‘t you seen the various update notifications? I‘m positive Dell is working very hard to even further increase the usefulness of these tools for the user!
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 good work? Lol not until they fix the bios and let us control the fan curve on ALL Dell system, including GAMING LAPTOPS.
Psychiatrist: "Kidnapped Steve isn't real, he can't hurt you."
Kidnapped Steve: 6:08