Dr. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro Discuss The E.U.
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Agreed. Thought Ben would have been more self-aware and courteous. It's only a 4-minute clip though.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
... said the person who couldn’t form a coherent sentence.
To be far one is American and the others is Canadian, of course one is more loud and dominate while the of is more calm and softer spoken
even Rubin talks more during this video than peterson
Ben Shapiro talks too fast, and interrupts Jordan too much
This is just part of a much longer debate. Jordan have spoken most of the time.
Ben shapiro shits on jordan peterson with FACTS AND LOGIC
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Isak Wendesten it’s because he has to do this for more important debates to be heard and cause an impact, so it’s just habit.
@@JohnLeon203, not rashly, he just wants to talk because he knows he's not as smart.
Dr. Jordan Peterson watches Ben Shapiro talk about the EU while saying a few words from time to time, as the guy in the background is reduced to abstract art.
Mr LloydVal very artsy description visually
😂
Shapiro talks too fast and rudely interrupts. He has good things to say, but should listen more and let others talk.
You have GOT to be kidding me. Do you have no self awareness at all??
@@stephendise9006 What? He was absolutely right. He should listen more and lets others talk. He kept interrupting Jordan. What the hell does self-awareness have to do with this? Absolutely nothing.
Shapiro talks fast but that's about it..
Watch the entire segment. Shapiro didnt get to talk that much that's why he has to get his words out fast
u just watched 10% of the whole discussion - the other 90% he listened nearly *all* time ... i hope u notice how silly ur comments makes u look like
Ben
Stop talking over people
@@GoogleMyUA-cam LIKE I know. LIKE I FEEEEEEL LIKE I know what you LIKE FEEEEEL. LIKE do you LIKE FEEEL me?
@@Danimal77 like yes like
Dan Maler if he’s this bad at repeating like on text imagine what he’s like in real life...
Jeannie Devereaux
Okay but his wife is a doctor so...
Jews know better than anybody and steam roll you because 'they know best' I'm not racist. This is just fact.
Jesus, Ben, let somebody else speak for a minute will ya...
Ooo he's just a bit too excited
The difference between a psychologist and lawyer
And talking 4x as fast as well
If he didn't say things they agree with, they would interrupt him. But they agree with him do they let him articulate the thoughts.
Ben needs to learn the art of listening and then returning.
Intelligent people should also be courteous in discussion and not interrupt.
Well, Shapiro is hardly intelligent.
All three clearly experts on the EU I'm soo thrilled to hear more of how they think this place they went on holiday to once works.
Yeah, they're pretty much clueless lol.
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Peterson, Rubin and Shapiro:
Its funny ish.. i dont get the connection to this neccesarilly
3 heroes vs 70
Can't fix anything without honesty
What's that? Honesty? Some kind of snack? Or a new concept. 🤨
indeed, striving of 100% honesty is essential .
@@Howdyx-ui7uk well idk if a right leaning benny shapir would be the honest one
Next better be Shen Bapiro and Peter Jordanson on the Rebin Ruport or I’m gonna riot.
That tripped me out so hard trying to figure out what was switched...
Gotta love 3 non-Europeans talking about the EU. I don't want a European super-state either, but my god, the EU is being scapegoated for every damn issue, even though the national governments hold all the power within it. It's just too convenient.
As a Brit I couldn’t agree more the incompetent politicians here are now blaming the EU for all the problems they have created like the cowards they are. Like Peterson and Shapiro here they make up a version of the EU that doesn’t exist because they don’t seem to understand how it works. The member states decide all there isn’t a central EU government.
@tehanomander I agree that this perceived distance is a major issue for the EU, that needs to be addressed through reform. However, it shouldn't obscure the fact that our national governments sit on the Council of the EU and make the major decisions. So it's really the same people that make decisions on the national level and on the EU level (EU parliament is much less powerful). I think this is sometimes deliberately misrepresented by governments trying to run from their responsibilities.
I'm hardly an EU cheerleader, but we desperately need mechanisms to foster common solutions in Europe (my home country borders 8 other countries, you can't run from that reality). Should these mechanisms be improved and be brought closer to the people? Sure. But we do need them.
@tehanomander Fundamentally, what I'm saying is that the EU is what member states make of it. It's not some foreign, unelected entity. It's always going to be as good or bad / accountable as its members. Those horrible new EU regulations? Chances are your government signed off on them.
I agree that more centralization is too often proposed as a solution, but these proposals come from the member states.
If you agree that we need mechanisms to create common solutions in some areas, then I'm afraid you can't have one in which one minority group can unilaterally vote everyone out of office. (even though they might be disadvantaged by the policies)
@tehanomander And the German taxpayer would ask why he should pay for Greek debts.... Yes, I'm afraid member states won't make everyone happy when they reach decisions. (of course, Greece shouldn't have been in the Euro in the first place, but that's another issue)
If voters across Europe want EU authority in less areas, they can vote for parties that stand for this. (and people do!)
@tehanomander The Greek crisis was about Greece (the state, not private citizens) not being able to refinance its debts and being on the edge of bankruptcy. So the Greeks needed loans from other EU countries, chiefly Germany, which they got in exchange for painful structural reforms. Under the ESM, German taxpayers are absolutely liable in case of a Greek default. Would you like to give loans to someone who's nearly bankrupt? I'm not saying Germany came up with the right solution, but blame them for it, not "the EU" as a concept. As I said, the EU is only as good as its member states.
As far as Salvini is concerned, well he did manage to cut off immigration from across the Mediterranean, which surely was one of his main concerns. You just can't act completely fiscally irresponsible, because other EU countries will be liable should you go bankrupt. That's hardly authoritarian, that's just common sense.
And in order to roll back EU authority, you need a majority on your side, which you don't have (of course you can leave like the UK). And that's not the EU's fault.
Hey, he mention my country Norway.
we have 53% immigrants from Europe, 33% from Asia, 13% from Africa, 1.3% South America.
Most immigrant from Europe to Norway is.
1) Poland
2) Lithiuania
3) Sweden
we have 750K immigrants.
What do Norwegians really feel about all of this massive migration into Norway?
@@tapasyatyaga4041 we dont like it but the left is still denying that mass immigration is a issue
@@tapasyatyaga4041 we dont like it at all. But we cant find out how to stop it.
The immigrants from poland, lithuania, sweden are no big problem. All they do is provide cheap services for the upper middle class and push the wages down and cost of living up for the lower middle class and working class.
The second generation of these immigrants are perfectly integrated into society, and most oftenly they are even given Norwegian names from their parents.
The problem is the people from muslim countris.. 25 000 Are coming every year, and the number is rising. A big number for a country of 5 million.
They are heavy over-users of social services and for every generation they get MORE violent, criminal and extremist in their muslim faith.. a faith that is very alien to our way of life to begin with. They get a lot of kids, while Norwegian women has more or less stopped having any.
@@olastorruste4668 Flott oppsummert! Vi kan i alle fall trøste oss med at vi klarer oss bedre enn Sverige.
I like how JP patiently waits for a space for him to speak 😂
I very much admire these 3 men and what they stand for. Voices of reason in a world gone mad!
As a Dutch-Belgian-Swedish-Czech-Polish-Austrian born and living in Germany with friends across all of Europe, some of them working for the EU, some of them being politicians, all I can say about this is:
Peterson and Shapiro have no clue.
As a Slovenian the EU can go fuck itself, and every EU politician can go and jump off a fucking bridge.
As a German I'm telling you: Fuck the EU!
It's authoritarian, extremely bureaucratic and absolute cancer
@paint 67 lul we in the eu are glad you brits jumped off the bridge into the disaster you call brexit lmao.
You mean they you're someone with lots of horses on the race. Now I understand you better.
@@jonass.7668 Have fun with Article 13 then.
Individually these two are good. Together. It’s a rub and tug
Ben, Ben, Ben, I love you but shut up for like ten goddamn seconds 🤣🤣
Love the convo! It is enlightening.
honestly dream video
Continue conversations like these... Your helping people more than you think.
Well they have exactly the same stance and point of view on the issue
Sench they both think EU members are in danger of losing their countries’ identities and becoming “one giant unified nation without cultural diversity”. I don’t think anyone from Europe thinks his/her country is losing it’s culture because the EU.
@@arvidp77 People in North Korea think that they live in a democracy so...
You can be sure that they did no extra research for this and if they did they are liars
@Sench many Europeans in the comments have pointed out that the two have no idea what they're talking about.
I am a huge admirer of both Peterson and Shapiro but they really should stay away from subjects that they have only a very limited knowledge of. Same goes with nearly all the US coverage of Brexit - well meaning but lacking in depth.
Should the opposite hold true as well? Europe should button it's collective lip on US politics? What a strange thing to say.
We are all entitled to our opinion and one opinion is as valid as any other. However, having lived half my life in Europe and half my life In the US. I can say that Americans tend to view Europe through an American prism and Europeans tend to view the US through an European prism, so YES to your question. It doesn't make those opinions invalid but they tend to lack insight and/or depth.
@Sam the Prophet no offense but i have to think about Monthy Phyton's life of Brian when it comes to brexit.
"What have the Romans done for us?"
But in all honesty, i think it's sad that you leave and Farage has lied to you because he made a profit from the referendum. He had shorts on the pound. He is a broker, so he lied to you for bis own profits. He spent more time on BBC newsnight than in the EU parliament, even though he had the responsibility for a resort.
@Sam the Prophet apart from free movement you can say that the costs for agencies, that are currently under EU administration, are saved. You have special VAT tax and the benefit of the single market. This will eventually be missed out.
The US will put you under pressure to agree to a deal that will benefit their companies. They don't want protective laws which were established by the EU (i.e. consumer protection). You can't sue your country if they act against you.
You will miss out a lot and don't fall for the lie of national sovereignty. The amount of refugees your country has picked up is lower than those of others, yet Britain can't deal with them. Something must be wrong within your country and the brexit won't fix that. Maybe it will get worse with companies pulling out their businesses to stay competitive. Japanese manufacturers will pull out eventually since they have a trade agreement with the EU and they won't do that again with Britain.
The Brexit won't fuck up Britain alone. The whole economy of Europe will have some of that but on a much smaller scale than yours.
One last thing, what do you mean with 'absorb by the EU'?
@Sam the Prophet the situation for you will be worse but okay. Maybe it's like the Indian people who wanted independence. Look at them now.
If you think you will be stronger after that, then you haven't understand global politics. After all that mess who wants to make commitments with your country about some trade deal.
You know that post-brexit Britain will have a trade hole of £135 billion? No? Now you know and i bet they will do something to find a replacement. How can they do that?? I think tax might be the next best thing.
According to the Cebr there might be other options but it will cost you something. So long money for the NHS.
finally i found something like this!
last Shapiro quote "you are mutable, the reality isn't" Perfect!
I hate what is becoming of Europe.
If I even insinuate the effect of mass immigration upon our nations, I am called a bigot, racist, xenophobic, etc.
All I said in my class is I like the polish people very much, I love, appreciate and respect their culture, history, ancestry, character and identity but do not want Iceland to become immediately/gradually polish because mass immigration leading to the natives of Iceland societally, nationally, demographically, culturally, representationally change.
Small, only needed (last resort), controlled, vetted immigration is acceptable to me.
I stand up for foreign natives too such as the Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, etc.
It’s 2019, humanity should have lost its ethics and acceptance of empire, invasion, mass immigration, colonization, war, etc...
I'm a working class English man and when Poland joined the EU we had tens of thousands come over who were uneducated and they immediately took over the building trade undercutting English workers.
This negatively affected the working class greatly but at least they worked.
Then about a decade ago the Romanians joined and you had petty crime explode because of all the gypsies. I honestly think they were the reason why Brexit happened because we realised this will never end.
The EU seeks more and more control by engulfing more countries regardless of wealth or culture and every new country that joins their poor are able to come to England and take the jobs and housing of my fellow working class English people.
Keep your culture and identify it's beautiful. London is unrecognisable from my childhood and I would not live there if you paid me.
I think the Icelandic people have intelligence but are not as idiotic as the Swedes and other north Europeans in putting foreigner's feelings ahead of their own people's.
whats wrong with polish people immigrating to iceland? icelands gonna change? well everything changes anyway, and theres worse changes then a few polish neighbours. youre gonna learn how to have entire conversations with just one word, kurwa, its gonna be great kurwwwwa.
@@wasp3959, what does it say: when thousands of uneducated polish people, without knowing proper english, can take away your jobs in such a short time? And btw isnt iceland even promoting immigration, due to the fact they need workers and also skilled personal
@@siegfrieds9349 I'm guessing you're alluding to the idea that the polish work hard and the English are just lazy.
Our fathers and grandfather's worked hard to get workers rights such as a hour break, holiday and sick time and a basic minimum wage.
The polish people could earn 4 or 5 times a month more over here working in the building trade then what they would have earned back in Poland. So they gave up all their rights as a worker in England to standout against English workers and greedy foremans and building companies started favouring the polish over us Brits.
I can sympathize with the polish because if there was a foreign country where I could earn 4 or 5 times what I would earn in my native country I would go there and work without breaks or any other benefits afforded to the native population.
So as English should we regress our rights just to keep up with a foreign workforce? This is in fact what the EU globalist want to happen.
if you do have these views that English builders are lazy please go to work on a building site in England as a labourer and if you still have these views afterwards maybe they'll be more validated then.
BTW I honestly have no ill Will towards the polish as I respect hard workers and they are indeed real grafters.
@@wasp3959 I would never say the british are lazy! And workers rights are the foundation of a functioning country. I do get your point and believe me i work in construction as well. But in my opinion it is too easy to say mass immigration is the problem. Other questions would pop up in my head, why are the workers right not forced and controlled even for polish workers. It is not a problem of mass immigration, it is a problem of the policies and laws. Why shouldnt the workers rights aplly to all workers and even forced to be applied. I dont even know why i am talking here, i just hope that people start thinking for themselves that not always the first answer that comes up is the best one. So, still have a nice day!
it hurts
This just went on the list of best things of 2019 so far 👌
Bravo gentlemen
Did you just call our government central-right?
If he only knew
Their prime minister is the leader of the social democracy party
Americans and i guess Canadians are very confused over ideology. They actually think their democrats are leftist or even liberals. From outside perspective the ruling democrats have always been "center right". Therefore these meaningless discussions happens.
he might have confused Sweden with Norway there.
sossarna är mer centrala än vad de har varit historiskt sett tbh. Annars skulle de inte kunna samarbeta med centern och liberalerna eller överhuvudtaget kunna bilda en regering. Men min synpunkt är att regeringen inte är NOG höger vilket gör sossarna väldigt vänster, om du förstår vad jag menar.
Guys, don't talk about things you have no clue about, it hurts to listen to. But you are forgiven a little bit since you're not European. However, taking AVERAGE statistics about a CONTINENT and implying that it's the overall behaviour is just straight up stupid.
Because I live in Europe? @Derreck Jones
Nah, that's different. I mean.. if they were making fun off Europe, I'd not even pay attention and probably laugh with them. But they are transmitting general knowledge here. Irresponsible af. @Dan T
I totally agree
Hmm talking about Malmo, I was there last week. Seemed like a pretty nice city mostly populated by swedish people. I walked around for hours outside the center so I wasnt really there for "tourist" stuff, just to see a different culture to the one in the UK.
American and Canadian discussing EU...
They are creating a virtual “reality” that has nothing to do with reality reality.
who are "they"?
Nefelibata.... yer ma.
Can you clarify your statement a bit more? haha
@@harveyspecter3361 Clearly not. He was asked a question which he just answered like a child. Plus his vagueness is probably intentional.
artificial world
So cool to see these smart people talking together
These guys make so much sense in so short a space of time
Wow, they managed to talk for 4 minutes and say nothing. It must be a skill though.
This.
You must be deaf
I woke up from a disturbing dream where i was attending Rubin's funeral. Keep up the good work bro and stay safe.
Christ, I hope he sees this as an omen! Then he can live his life in fear and be super cautious...
Because you know, how often would that happen? A random "fan", worry so much for the safety of one of the mouthpieces of the unspoken societies.. that they would have subconscious thoughts of their demise?
From Finland and very pleased with the current state of things, still feel like we have enough of our own legislations, some legislations could be even tougher tough.
How wonderful that we ca watch this level of intellectual discussion, for free, whenever we want. This is why I love the internet and why it will on the long run prove to be the most important invention in human and possibly Earth's history
I can't think of two people I'd less listen to when it comes to the EU.
Guy Verhofstad and Jean Claude Junker perhaps? :p
@@MyExStacyOfficial You mean the 2 people whose opinion matters the most?
Two non-Europeans discussing the EU - what could go wrong?
kazuuka I enjoy listening to JP’s views on human behaviour and political philosophy, however there should be a line drawn at questions of national sovereignty and political institutions.
I had a good laugh, they know a shit about EU but that won't stop them at all bringing up conclusions.
So you have to be ancient Roman to discuss politics of Roman Empire?
@@cikuuzis nope, you just need to actually understand it. You are free to discuss your shit you have no clue about in a pub.
"We have a federal government, that is what the US got right". How the fuck do they think the EU works on some very specific areas.
I know people complain about how fast Ben talks, but for some reason I feel like his talking speed helps me process more. Because he talks so fast he tends to give more detail in a shorter amount of time than other people.
Good stuff.
I get the feeling that these people dont know a lot about EU's governmental structure
Ben's very interrupty here.
When he isn't?
When your other half completes ur sentence its just " so funny " 2:35
Out here in Finland we are just chillin
This is what happens when two guys who know nothing about the EU talk about the EU... To these people the EU is nothing but the straw man to help with their own agenda.
Yup. Watching this conversation was cringy and infuriating. They sounded confident when speaking as well - you'd think that confidence would be synonamous with intelligence - clearly not.
How do you mean that? Why do you think they do not know anything about the EU? And what do you know?
Alok Dangi is that because you could only ascribe intelligence to remain proponents?
@@kolaignad6495 Why? Where Are they wrong?Are you From the EU, can you share any expirience?
@@danladking9788 No actually. Brexiteers have very valid arguments and there are many reasons one can hate the EU - they sort of touched upon one of them in the video; but in general, their articulation of the point and their general lack of understanding about how the EU works made them look like fools.
Americans talking about the EU, no room for misunderstanding there!
Jordan is Canadian
@@vvandu so there was misunderstanding in that comment :)
But thats what europeans always do to the us.
@@OldboyRiver fair enough.
I hardly like videos like other people like videos, here's a rare exception because I want to return to this video. And dissect it at a time later. I wish they speak more about this.
Love Ben love to meet him
It was cool just leave Ben at home next time
I can only listen to Shapiro at 0.75 speed.
You are right mine looks normal now haha
i could listen to those 2 man for hours
My two favorite people 🤯
The simple way I look at it -
let's say country A allows people from countries X, Y and Z to come in on mass.
They end up forcing their things into the country.
Now Country A looks like X,Y, and Z.
And this happens with countries B, C, D ....
If I go on holiday to say Thailand I want to go to see what it's like and it's culture, aesthetics etc.
At this rate ALL countries will just be the same which to be honest won't happen as fights will break out with all these races etc and people will naturally separate again which is why we have countries in the first place!!!
Are you also anti-globalization?
Well, I aggre. But think that those cultural changes will start to appear more and more as immigrants will be gradually gaining rights (well depending on the type of each government). Since then people will just get worried and suspicious over time, hating the immigrants themselves instead of the government or the system and its inability to handle the situation. Only then, chaos and "anarchy" will break out. As a citizen of an EU country, I can say this is where we are heading, if we cannot change the current situation, leaving both sides happy, that is.
When you allow mass immigration you get countries like USA.
My problem is the families wanting to make a new start always seem to clash with everyone around them when it comes to social policy, one very counter to what we generally believe in.
I enjoy the discussions conducted by Jordan and Ben, but this was cluttered with factual errors. Makes me think about other subjects which they've previously discussed.
The problem is, with Intellectuals, the moment they are "expert" in their domain, they speak about everything else like they are experts of some sort, and people give them credit for that. From this conversation it is so obivous that they have a limited understanding of what the EU is, they are superficial and go into the direction they want to go to in order to validate their views.
Exactly. As someone who is reasonably well read in Marx and Postmodernism, Peterson's diatribes on these topics are so clumsy and full of distortions. I've trusted him a lot in the past on certain topics, I can't help but proceed with immense caution now.
@@reksfoleur859 I'd put it this way: you don't have to be intelligent or educated to sound intelligent or educated.
A broad vocabulary can be learned and not everyone who gives lectures has to be an expert.
Especially if we're talking about the US, where "education" hardly deserves the name.
Shapiro is a master of verbal trickery but nothing more. And Peterson is someone who has knowledge in a certain field but makes the mistake of applying that knowledge to everything under the sun. His interpretation of things is also obviously distorted by his worldview, which is the least scientific thing you could do.
A scientist wouldn't create narratives to make the things he observes fit his expectation...
@@reksfoleur859 the eu is a pile of shit
This is too powerful
Really great points but I think the question isn't about whether the end result is better or worse.. The question is whether the cost in achieving the end result is worth it.. In a lot of ways it's a leap of faith.. And really the connection between the top and the bottom of the hierarchy while being more convoluted... Is the literal difference going to affect people enough?
I don't know... As with most things, some think it's worth the cost, some don't.. And we're in the situation where this dynamic needs to present a cohesive agenda to a negotiation..
Really the biggest mistake we made, was we resulted an ambiguous situation. If you go back in time you could legislate for the scope for variation now..
Well it does affect the people of the richer countries negatively not only are they expected to pay for the poorer countries but the people of these poorer countries have every right to come to the richer countries and get free money as well as housing. This means taxes rise to pay for these people and there will be a housing shortage as well as an increase in rent.
The foreigner's who do work go in mass into unskilled jobs which takes the opportunity of the working class and either stagnates or decreases their wages.
Saphiro claims that when you fight reality, you loose. I'd say no! Such statements truly ignores the human capability for self deception, and authoritarianism when reality kicks in the door. A society is fully capable of fighting reality for a frightening amount, with horrific consequences and propaganda. I simply don't like the optimistic view of the claim Saphiro made.
Having said that, it is a great conversation.
Who the fuck is Saphiro? I thought its Shapiro
These guys know nothing about the EU and it's structures and it shows.
Why's that?
@@TheRealCorcra Because they make statements about a lack of federalism in the EU, and the EU is, in this respect, more permissive than the USA.
Maybe there’s a fear in the growth of a European federation rather than its current confederal structure. Much like the journey of the US which was a confederation, but the states continue to lose their autonomy as years go on.
Derreck Jones yes they said something true, but pointless if not accurately used.
The problem of people caring more about their nations than the EU (which is not a problem, in Spain, Germany or Italy people do it at a regional level) is useless in their argument if they then say the EU is too centralized. The EU is the lest centralized state in the world, and all EU nations are completely sovereign if not for the fact that they have respect a set of rules they decided in the first place (Nato also imposes a sets of rules to be respected by all members and so does the UN or the EU). Maybe the problem is the opposite, the EU is not centralized enough.
@Derreck Jones
1. I did not say that the EU is the most decentralized UNION, I said it is the most decentralized STATE. For you to tell me that the EU is the most centralized union, just shows your ignorance. WTF is a Union? Union is not a political science term. You did not read or understand my comment properly (maybe my fault, maybe yours), and your clearly ignorant on the subject (which is weird since you seem to be very sure on the matter, and I guess I am stupid for answering).
2. Sovereign in name only? Just last mont, Italy and France started squabbling about migration and the yellow jackets, now France called for their diplomat to go back to France. Are you telling me the two different nations are not sovereign?
3.No EU member state can be forced to follow any of the EU laws. Outside of the fact that the laws are decided by EU citizens (i.e us) voted parliament the laws still don't have to be followed. If Poland does not respect the EU laws on freedom of press (and it isn't) the EU cannot and does not have anyway to enforce this (because Poland is a sovereign nation) instead much of the rest of Europe agreed to sanctions on Poland (Not all nations put up this sanctions as it cannot be enforced).
THE EU HAS COMPLETELY DISMANTLED ANY PROTECTIONIST POLICIES (subsidies, Tariffs, Quotas) AND BORDERS BETWEEN MEMBER NATIONS, AND WE ARE COLLECTIVELY GIVEN THE ABILITY TO VOTE A GOVERNMENT (THE EU PARLIAMENT) THAT CAN STAND UP TO ANYOtHER SUPERPOWER ON EARTH.
Sorry for my English if there is anything wrong
This is an interesting matchup...
'people who fight reality lose.' - Ben
haha - yes working on his own reality. Its not about REAL facts, its about creating facts.
Dryst Krab Ironically, he’s religious
JBP and Shapiro is a dream discussion
You could tell they thought the same, it was cute the way they were tripping over each other to agree.
For neckbeards.
I agree, a fever dream
For virgins.
@@mrlassotool BETA ALERT!!!
here in the EU we have more localism than the US. The US is what Europe would become with MORE centralized power...if the USA federal government became smaller and gave more power to the states then it would be closer to the EU. SO if they don't like a lack of localism in the EU then they don't think the ¨us got it right¨ because the federal government is much bigger and local fabric is breaking down faster in the US.
There isn't a common culture in EU and there can't be without common language. That's the main problem.
@@paaaaaaaaq English is very much spread among poor countries and the rich ones like France or Germany dont give a shit about communing with the others. People talk about EU as if its some marry group where everyone wants to be, while over half of the continents population would get out if there was any way of promoting such a party into existence (in a political sense, not geographically). Its not that the culture is the "problem" its the fact that its a rotten system ruled by German Banks... its basically the third reich and it just passed a law gripping the internet freedom by the balls twice as hard as it has been in the US last year with network neutrality.
Yes but people from Tennessee, Texas, NY, Washington state... choose every four years the President and Congress while you can't choose the European Commission, that's a very big difference. And the EUC can impact your life in a big way without fear of being punished on an election.
Yeah but its the central goal of the EU to increase its power and decrease the power of sovereign states. The Lisbon treaty was just the first step (rammed through despite France and the UK people not wanting it). The EU's stated aim is to rule Europe, basically
The EU wants to become like the US but completely unaccountable.
With all the discussions, do they ever break down to listeners the topic only saw addressed once, setting of the system for the "unjustly dispossessed "; in Dr. Peterson's quote on another discussion?
I often think some of these miss many people who may not understand that is already considered.
I often see those who are in this statistical situation, hear the discussion about work. It is also valuable for those who dont, to be included in the discussion as respected as well.
Well said
Try amping up the speed to 1.25
lol behold, internet: the holy trinity
*They aren't discussing.*
*They are agreeing.*
*Playing safe huh* 😂😂😂
Chetan G.C. Ya alright
@@Zippy_120 We have seen them destroying a lot of people.So I wonder Who would win if there was to be *Jordan Peterson Vs Ben Shapiro*
Dave Rubin: "I AGREE with that"
Anyone: MCU is the biggest crossover in history ever!!!
Me: Shapiro, Rubin, and Peterson together......
The swedish government is actually centre-left with Labour Stefan Lofven maintaining his seat as prime minister
The SOcial democrats and the green party wich are the government base have 116 chairs on the Riksdag while the opposition have 200 sits. So the majority of the parliament is center-right to right wing.
@@gustavo3755 but the goverment is left-centre,can you difference?
These guys are the last people I’d listen to about the EU. They have no clue.
I hate it when people class neighbouring countries as completely different. England and France have been related to each other throughout history. Most English people will have French ancestry and vice versa. There are cultural differences of course, but there's also cultural differences in the different counties in England. Europe is united in a common community, regardless of where the borders are put on a map.
Same here born in Brighton now living in Germany and there are no real cultural differences between the two country's
@@re1644 they are
Jordan Peterson rules!
Guys just so you know...
Ben Shapiro's wife is a doctor
okaayy? so what
It is blatantly obvious that neither JP nor BS have any serious knowledge about the EU.
Yes. JP especially talks about more and more things he has not the slightest clue about. He should stick to things he knows, like in the beginning of his public occurences. In my eyes he is destroying his credibility quickly, by wanting to say something about everything.
@@croatianwarmaster7872 How's life in the shared flat tonight? Get your daily dose of potatoes yet? Don't worry, the glorious motherland is just 15 years from prosperity.
@Sench Well the thing is that JP is talking about the EU as an undemocratic political entity which wants to homogenize all of the continent. Which simply isn't the truth, the principles of subsidiarity and proportionality still have major role in any decision being made on the EU level. And also talking about the immigration without any idea of European demographic picture. For example Germany needs to take 146,000 immigrants per year to sustain it's GDP growth. But to simplify all of this, the EU isn't like US and it is very and I mean very complicated because each country is specific and you need a lot of knowledge about all the EU institutions to be able to convincingly debate it.
@@croatianwarmaster7872 So you would like to destroy an organisation that is vital for conducting any intracontinental business? You cannot destroy the EU in my opinion, in any case another similar organisation will take its place. And if you haven't noticed yet the era of nation states is slowly ending, for better or for worse.
@Sench The end goal for some is federalization and not homogenization per se. How do propose to impose the standardization and regulation of the common market without the unified governing body? And you are forgetting that the European commission has only the power over certain democratically predetermined fields and it is not this authoritarian power that dictates the countries. In addition commissioners are appointed by member states parliament and each member state appoints only one commissioner. Bureaucracy is very much needed if you are dealing with 500 mil people and 28 countries with countless cultural backgrounds and many different languages. I don't think there is any sovereignty lost any of this processes because all internal matters are still determined by each individual member state.
You are saying that economic growth is not important? What are you on about. If your GDP growth is falling for two consecutive quarters you are officially in a recession. Immigrants come to work, refugees normally don't but I don't think you understand the difference. And what is my ruling party?
As I said before EU is a complicated entity with countless interest groups and opinions. And you cannot dumb it down to this ridiculous degree and still make a valid point about it.
Dave: " I agree with that"
Rubin put Crowder with Peterson next time
Non-Europeans talking about the EU. SMH. The main reason the EU was founded was to prevent WW3. And it works.
I love the EU! It secured peace, where peace was needed most.
Greetings from Germany to my french, english, polish and american friends and family.
You are lost
Damn Shapiro speaks faster than the speed of light
Dear Dr. Peterson, there's a coaster right there...
hearing Shapiro talk is exasperating and exhausting. Rapid fire speech, devoid of any emotion or intonation. And those nonsensical analogies just add to the pain🤦🏻♂️
That's how he wins arguments. Speed instead of depth.
@@arvedludwig3584 Not true though. He's fast, but he's on point. Can't argue against facts, and he's got those right
@@snuskenmaxi NOT TRUE HE *Gish gallops* SO UTILIZING A APEX TOWARDS HIS CADENCE IS HOW HE PROSPERS HE NEVER STATED INDUCTIVE INFORMATION WITH ANY VERACITY.
2 guys discussing what they don't understand , move to Europe and live there.
Judging from Reddit Americans love to cast their social/economic views on whole world without any consideration whatsoever about local circumstances.
I live in France and they are globaly right
maintaining sovereignty and identity is still important. does not exclude trade and cultural partnership.
Please explain to me how you would lose sovereignty and identity when joining the EU?
Alle Menschen werden Brüder!
What a nonsensical conversation. I would expect that coming from some pseudointellectuals discussing the EU over a pint of beer
Take away the beer and that's what this is already
Shapiro is really over rated as an intellectual. He’s articulate but there isn’t much substance to his arguments beyond the bible.
Ricardo Warner Thats funny, he backs up nearly everything he says with statistical facts.
Rõõsta DDGėź yeah any child can do that.
He isn't really that intellectual, he just talks fast and repeats himself.
Loooool he's not even a Christian! He's a goddamn Jew
Ricardo Warner You are one of those people that don’t know what they are talking about.
What did Ben mean when he said that people and reality are immutable? Is he talking about complete predestination? How is that supposed to make a person happy?
We didn't really hear what Peterson had to say though and they didn't even scratch the surface of the problem with EU, which is the fact that unlike the US, the EU consists of different cultures and nationalities and cultures and languages
So does the US. That's why it's so dysfunctional compared to other wealthy countries.
US is just as diverse as the EU. There is no American nationality.
Peterson had probably nothing clever to say, because what happen in EU, are the consequences of what he was used to promote: "free market" .
Three of my favorite North American public figures! Hello from Budapest, Hungary! 😊❤
As somebody from Europe: the EU has become too powerful, it should have just stayed a free trade agreement, not some legislative body able to overrule country’s governments (happened recently with my country)
Citation needed, what country, what issue where it overruled on?
Recognizing that reality is reality is the definition of being on the right.
Just a note, but Norway isn’t in the EU.
I`m from Norway. I`m not afraid of saying things.... Please USA get out of your bubble.
What a moronic thing to say
@@noxzorz That comment is called "defence machanism" because of the last sentence. Basic psychology.
@@sveinunglidsheim5828 Let me elaborate why your original comment was moronic.
You seem to be implying that your view is shared among all Norwegians. If you deny that then I would really ask myself what the point is of even mentioning your origins in the first place.
You should know that any kind of generalizing makes you look like a tool. And you manage to generalize 2 different parties in 1 sentence.
I'll try to make this even more clear to you, so I'm sure you understand;
Just because you aren't afraid of saying things doesn't mean others aren't.
Just because you are from Norway doesn't allow you to imply that every Norwegian thinks this way.
Referring to the USA and apparently implying the entirity of the USA thinks this way as a unit because 2 Americans have a specific opinion on a specific subject is dumb.
Your opinion isn't shared among everyone.
I hope you understand now why your "I'm from Norway" argument has 0 value.
TLDR; Generalizations make anyone look like a moron.
@@sveinunglidsheim5828 Eagerly awaiting your response, mister basic psychology.
@@sveinunglidsheim5828 I agree JP and Ben are generalizing as well. The thing is, in my country at least (Belgium), we've entered the "saving regime" times. Suddenly everybody has to hand in even more than what it used to be. And yet, somehow at the same time our government decided to start cutting funds of healthcare and education. THE PILLARS OF ANY SOMEWHAT SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY. I no longer see the point of paying half of my earnings to an entity that is seemingly incapable of doing the bare minimum.
I repeat, healthcare and education are the pillars of any socialist democracy, and there should NEVER be any cuts of funding in those zones. It blows my mind. And it disgusts me. Our goverment quite literally decided to drop families and people who became dependant on getting their meds paid by our system. Now those families have to find a way to make 10.000 euros more in a year somehow someway, and if they don't, they'll just slowly die to whatever crippling long-lasting diseases they have.
I see we are somewhat of the same mindset, I just didn't like how you formed your original comment.
I know my rant of cutting funds of education and healthcare are not really related, but it popped in my head so I had to write it out.
You must also realize whilst this is happening, there are THOUSANDS of abusers of our system. Because our government hasn't made it bulletproof. Basically all you need is a friendly doc and you're handicapped. Sponsored by the state for the rest of your life. I know this is true, because I meet these people on the daily. There's nothing wrong with them, but they got a document saying they're handicapped. They contribute nothing, they leech and force our system to give up on the people who REALLY need help.
It's a bubble that WILL burst eventually.
And then I haven't even started about our pensions which is honestly just depressing to think about. I will most likely - if I stay in Belgium - be working until I'm 75 or older. Because of poor decision-making and spending by previous and current government. Why does my generation have to pay for years and years of awfull decisionmaking and politics?
On top of that we see the trend continueing. Quite depressing. This isn't anything pushed by EU, just to be clear, these are our own politicians who aren't invested into helping people and saving the entire social system, they care more about getting the right job and filling their wallets whilst the average Joe pays the price.
/end wall of text
Thanks for reading.
whilst the EU is not without its problems, I think they have misdiagnosed the EUs problems. The nations that make up the EU have plenty of autonomy, and it is most definitely heterogeneous in nature. there is some areas where homogeneity is called for, but this trade off has promoted prosperity and presided over western Ueropes longest span of peace in millenia
The nations of the EU have 0 autonimity, they all answer to Germany and Brussels, you go against either and get crippled (enter Italy).
The nation states do not have plenty of autonomy. Each member state elects a MEP which must declare an oath towards the EU over its own nation-state and they can only advise over regulations. But truly all regulations and laws comes from the EU commission which is a unelected unaccountable body.
Also, when you talk about peace and prosperity. The last 100 years all the wars have been started by Germany. Germany has the most control of the EU which I'm sure you can understand gives them what they have always seeked. Power.
@@flatlineproduction1 you are actual idiot - nobody is answering to germany in any way. i live in a small country and it is fun for me to watch how stupid fucktards like you believe the shit anti EU populists say.
@@wasp3959 each nation has veto power. Each nation has its own government that has plenty of power. sovereignty has been pooled between states. there's a lot of myths about EUs powers and lack of democracy.
@@joeyjoejoeshabadoo The veto power you are talking about is a part of the UN not the EU, in the European Union although there is such a thing as a veto it is VERY limited and from a quick google check I found it used on few things aside from tax matters (which most definitely is not the most important part of the EU).
Yamaka on the floor, sirens!!!
I love Jordan Peterson’s kind of talking and discussing... such a calm way f talking.... and of course Ben has good things to say but I don’t like his interruptions over and over again.... :/