National Post columnist Christie Blatchford interviews Jordan Peterson on the #Metoo Moment. Watch more of Blatchford's videos here: • Blatchford on...
@@harvey4385 It's entertaining to some, but ultimately it's him having to give the same speech he's given hundreds of times. There's no further progression, no philosophical advice, and nothing for the viewer who actually wants to learn or open their perspective
It’s sad that all the comments are praising her for being reasonable because we’ve gotten so used to unreasonable behaviour and steering conversation away from reality
I don’t hear an intelligent continuation of any one topic, I hear two similar minded individuals discussing a range of current event topics only 1-2 layers deep, without either establishing multiple viewpoints and parameters of the issues or even sticking to one specific issue.
"Having never had the fortune to spend time in an Iranian prison, they're not very good at distinguishing what constitutes a tyranny and a free society"! LOL Yep! he's quite right, unfortunately!
At the same time someone outside of our system of operations could point out our tyranny that maybe we'd been so accustomed to that we no longer are aware of it. Like one fish asking another fish, 'how's the water' and the fish responding 'what water?'
My favprite thing about this conversation is how damn relaxed both of them are. Dr. Peterson is literally laid-back, sipping coffee, arms open and just enjoying a reasonable chat with another person, instead of buttoned up and ready to defend himself from any angle of attack. What a diference from many other interviews.
This is because they are adults. People that did real work. And played outside as kids, and got disciplined as kids. So they know how to act by the time they are 18-21.
Im all for someone who wants to conduct an interview to ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING for once, as opposed to the flurry of disgruntled bitter Demotards whose thinly veiled intent is to vent and spew and try to corner and entrap Dr. P, or go down in incompetent flames trying to get in the last jab. Many kudos for this woman who clearly isn't intimidated by his intellect, and didnt go into it set to boil over in rabid fervour once she found a trigger point, and who educated everyone with intelligent discourse. FIRST DR. J. INTERVIEW IVE SEEN YET to do this, anywhere.
And did you see the comment from the butthurts toward Peterson? Sickening. This is why mental health issues are still being kept hush-hush: because of insensitive, brainless people. You don't agree with his stance, fine, but don't tell him he deserves his addiction. That's like telling someone they deserved cancer. Not cool people, not cool.
@@kittymamayyz I disagree with JBP a lot, but I genuinely hope he will come out of this ordeal ok. I don't hate him, I just disagree often. I hope he will draw attention to the negative side effects of psychiatric drugs in the future. Lots of people are struggling because of prescribed drugs.
Peterson is a cool guy with a distinctly rational way of looking at things. It's refreshing, we need him. But can't help thinking that many people reading/watching him just mindlessly agree with everything he says because he is a "genius". And I'm sure not even JP himself wants that.
He would most certainly be absolutely terrified by the idea of people blindly following him. "Think for yourself" is at the core of what he is trying to tell people, I believe. And people will be all over his videos like "he's so right! genius!" - while blindly agreeing to him, because he said something that is critical of the "left" and fits in their view of the world. People are just lazy and complacent.
I agree. Theres a lot of sense in what he says but I think there are issues with some of his assertions that could be challenged by someone prepared to engage intelligently.
That's not it. He is popular because the vast majority of thinking people with experience have realized for a long time that 99% of what he is saying is obviously true. We're just glad that finally someone in Academia has the intelligence, the work-ethic, the blameless past, and the courage to stand up to the bullies......People with both traditional conservative values AND traditional liberal values are horrified by the woke mob. They've abandoned any sense of fair play or reason. Liberals were the CHAMPIONS of free speech in the past
I really like this lady. Idk who she is, I bumped into this video by chance but she seems so genuinely interested but also highly educated and well spoken. It is just so nice to hear a calm conversation about charged topics.
It's so oddly refreshing to hear JP have an actual discussion with a woman who actually listens, behaves fairly rationally and seeks to reach a common understanding through their conversation.
You're right, this wasn't a discussion, rather than just a conversation in which the two people just talk about a topic and agree on it. I get asknorway's point tho in that it is refreshing to finally see a calm conversation rather with a person who listens to JP rather than to not to.
I'm not trying to stir some stuff, but i do have to point out that OP did not say "with a person", he said "with a woman". And i understand where he comes from because I've seen many cringy so called "feminists" argue irrationally with him about basic concepts. I'll just close by saying it is always refreshing to see a calm conversation between two person, male or female, capable of listening to each other. JP made a lecture on that, and it's very interesting.
I mention her gender because it is relevant to the context, given other instances of JBP being pretty clearly misconstrued by women. Example: Cathy Newman.
Steel Xcaliber how did I even do that? I pointed to him as an individual, stop being so triggered. I know you might think he belongs to your in-group and you should defend him, but we should criticize based on individual behavior, not on in- or out-group.
When I saw that Jordan Peterson was being interviewed by Christie Blatchford I immediately had to watch this video. It is so sad that we have lost such a great journalist. Rest in peace Christie Blatchford, we miss you.
Only someone who wants to offend and not be called out on it would say something like that. Its definitely true that people are too sensitive nowadays and avoid nuance in uncomfortable subjects but that doesnt mean offense is normal. There is a too far. There is a lack of consideration. And people do get release on their bias by offending people and theb hiding behind "hey you are too sensitive" afterwards. Intent is important.
That´s a brutal clear stop sign that your advances are not welcome (if it goes down to that you must be at best much more lower in intelligence than bucket of very unintelligent rocks) any one who don´t stop then deserves anything what they got after that
All respect for this woman, absolutely refreshing to hear a reflective, intelligent and composed woman. More of this, less of the hysterical radicalists.
@@seankelly8906 I have seen a lot of them totally against me too. .. Laura Southern, Katie Hopkins, Bree, Lena, Candace, seem to be, and of course many I know in real life..
The fact that this person even took the time to NOT interrupt him all the time, let him talk, have meaningful questions, allow for intellectual dissent between them... I know this was going to be good. I love this type of discourse.
I love the part where he expressed his deep wish of punching a female critic in the face. As if that wasn't a complete violation of moral both for a public speaker AND A FUCKING MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL YOU ABSOLUTE POTATOES!
@@michaelcraig9449 he openly expressed his desire for violence and that violence is an option. This promotes violence. This is a mockery of the mindset of an actual medical professional. He is setting a dangerous example.
Beard Nye The Drum Guy yeah how can you not noticed that, but as a Rasta well bruh we don’t go with any feminine shit fuck nah, but not to confuse we respect whatever anyone wants todo with their body and mind JUST LEAVE US OUT OF YOUR NONSENSE
@@Ignasimp Those aren't gay books unless you give it such meaning. Just because LGBT is using the rainbow, doesn't mean that everything with a nice colour flow is a reference to it.
My main takeaway from this video is that the light purple book in the background has to go. It’s throwing off that colour gradient. I’m not actually sure what happened in this video as I couldn’t concentrate on anything other than that damn book. 😂
First thing I did was scan the gradient because that light purple book jumped out at me like and took up permanent residence in my line of sight. Then I restarted the video so I could listen to the conversation but that book never shut up for a second.
We should be careful not exaggerate the rarity as such a value judgement has the potential to create a fracture and further us/them separation. A short period of reflection would reveal to most of us the items causing discomfort in contemporary society. There's only so long one can hold their breath; eventually, regular breathing will be resumed. (We've yet to see what benefits this panicked, breathless moment in social discussion will create: negative examples can be powerfully instructive. Peterson seems to understand this, hence his steadfast curiosity and calm.) Important we don't give up.
Just read that this lady died not long after this interview. I have never come across her before but what a refreshing thing to watch two grown ups having a decent discussion. RIP young lady, you sounded a very interesting woman.
@@jeniferdouglas Exactly! And I think it allows the discussion to go deeper, unlike with interviewers who have an agenda who force the guest to state the obvious every time as an attempt to counter ideology. I think like so many bad interviewers have prevented Jordan Peterson from going to a deeper side of the discussion, simply because the interviewers were too biased or clueless to handle it. And, as you mentioned, having different sides being presented calmly and with as little bias as possible feels so much more intellectually stimulating.
the part where he mentioned you can't divorce sexuality from everything and being central hits home.. this is what's wrong with current days.. people not taking responsibility of anything.
Cho Zan Aung That's a massive generalization which is a little hard to defend. I see it somewhat differently. When people live according to their own lights (so to speak), without reference to TRUTH, they will take responsibility for whatever they consider important and ignore what doesn't appeal to them. Many folks prove ardent and diligent in pursuit of things which don't profit them in the long run. They 'chase after wind.' Abandonment or subjectivization of TRUTH is one of the features of postmodernism (so I have heard). At the end of the book of Judges in the Old Testament, which describes a dark time in ancient Israelite history, it says: 'In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.' It's not a plug for monarchy, but a reflection on the social disorder of the day.
@Darth Canid How do you differentiate between the 'simple masses' and those not so simple, the 'enlightened elite' or however else one might describe them? I find SIMPLE differentiation between the two categories rather elusive. It's not that hard to find historical personages who have made the transition from one category to another during the course of a lifetime. The transition is possible in either direction, though the social climbers get more attention from historians I suppose. If you look at Philippians 2:5-11, you will see that JESUS of Nazareth took the biggest demotion in history, and has also received the greatest promotion. I'll let you figure out how that worked by reading the passage. But in theory Jesus could have had anything He wanted (as satan tried to remind Him during His forty days' temptation in the desert), yet He chose to identify with the suffering masses, and the healing ministry which made Him famous underlined that commitment. Moreover, what's inherently wrong with being part of the simple masses-------------often defined by their poverty in economic resources, educational achievement, or access to the ornaments of 'high' culture, relative to the 'superior' classes? Don't these have an inherent dignity, despite their lack, because their labor in large measure supports the 'superior' classes, enabling them to pursue their goals? I'm not trying to strike a 'marxist' tone; there is certainly no need for that. (Proverbs 14:31) 'He who oppresses the poor taunts his Maker; but he who is gracious to the needy honors Him.' The very notion of 'merit', as commonly understood in the secular world, is open to question: (Psalm 49:16-18) 'Do not be afraid when a man becomes rich, when the glory of his house is increased; for when he dies he will carry nothing away; his glory will not descend after him. Though while he lives he congratulates himself, and though men praise you when you do well for yourself, he shall go to te hgeneration of his fathers; they will never see the light.' For that matter, religious notions of human 'merit' are pretty flimsy: (Romans 3:23) 'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' (James 2:10) 'IF anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.' Judging by some of my discussion in recent days, I seem to have anti-meritocracy on the brain. Nevertheless it has a better Biblical foundation than many might suppose. The Bible proclaims the love of God and the way of human salvation; in the end, liberation from the dominion of sin and death. Everyone is invited to the table on the same basis, which is grace, not merit. Reinforcing moral precept in order to strengthen hierarchical social control, the 'opiate of the masses' and all that----------------this is 'small potatoes' compared with salvation. For the 'small potatoes', any old religion or ideology could be pressed into service.
It is this simple the bible runs on the same fundamentals, if something is deemed wrong consequences need to be enforced to keep the majority from doing so. Just like the bible has guidelines to follow it also tells you what happens when you dont (punishments). Thats how rules who for the majority of people, if there is now consequence they dont care. Example people of both sexs cheat on each other all the time but yet everyone universally knows its wrong but still happens. If this was punishable by law you would see a huge decrease. This falls right back to the op comment that take no responsibility nowadays.
@@ThePhenom411 Yes, you have latched on to a part of the Bible's message; yet it would be a mistake to suppose that moral enforcement is its overriding purpose. Perhaps you concentrated your attention on the Law of Moses, which includes not only the Ten Commandments but (as one hears) a total of 613 specific positive commandments or regulations. The consequence for ancient Israel of obedience to the WHOLE Law would be temporal blessing and security from enemies of every kind. The consequence of FAILURE to obey the whole Law would be cursing, including economic insecurity, rampant disease, foreign invasion, even exile from the Promised Land. As it turned out, the people of Israel disobeyed far more than they obeyed, and they received curses in abundance, though God never withdrew His love entirely from them. He has not done so even to this day. Such is the GRACE (undeserved favor) of God. If we regard Law only and not GRACE as well, we distort the image of God and lose the source of all hope. For the fact remains that humans are constitutionally INCAPABLE of obeying God's laws, certainly neither consistently nor from the heart and usually not at all, because we are SINNERS by nature. (Sin=missing the mark, an inherited predisposition to stray from truth and integrity.) Therefore, according to the apostle Paul (writing in the New Testament), the Law is a TUTOR to lead us to Christ. For it is CHRIST alone Who is qualified to bring us in to the presence of God, to make us acceptable to Him. When the Spirit of God reveals to us the fatal limitations of our self-righteousness, our effort to do good on own behalf, we are enabled to REPENT and receive the righteousness of Christ as a GIFT. It says that 'Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.' Romans 6:23 brings together the theme of CONSEQUENCES for sin and the theme of GRACE: (Romans 6:23) 'For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.' Once received, this gift empowers the believer in Christ to do works consistent with the Law from a new heart, a renewed motivation-------------hence the expression, 'born again' (used by Jesus Himself in John 3:3 and following).
Good on Christie Blatchford for being one of the few columnists to conduct a proper interview with Peterson. May her efforts and mode of conduct bear fruit that allows her to move up the ranks!
As someone who has been a recipient of sexual harassment, I define it as repeated advances when it is clear that it is unwanted. One guy that I was interviewing for a student paper when I was 18 grabbed me to keep me from leaving the room. When you have to overcome a person's defenses to have sexual contact with them, that should be a clue. I think it goes beyond asking someone if they want to go out on a date and being turned down.
Yeah, those are called serious criminals - they do wrong even after realising dat its wrng... But most of the pipol realises dat after one time. And what he did is a direct harassment, not a micro agression ; i hope u reported him and if u didnt, hope he now knows what he did was wrng and regrets doing that :)
So this happened to you. All too often teenage boys and men overrule girls and women and force themselves on them and all to often they nag and continue on nagging until they get their way and some make it a little into a joke, but they all have one focus and that is getting "sex" no matter what and THAT is not what sex with consent looks like, but that is how you Rape! For it makes the female freeze and they in the end only give in because they can't think clearly no more and feel frozen and the freeze reaction is a survival reaction of the brain that makes it unable to refuse anymore and leave... So these overruling approaches are harmful and wrong and boys and men need to be raised to become better men in this area! Girls and women deserve respect!
The final piece here rings so true. As an educator, I have three cameras in my room at all times, one in my office with a 360 ceiling view and two in the classroom. Everything is there. The trust between myself and my students has always been there, but I'm covering my own rearside just in case.
I'd argue that if the trust between you and the students was there, then the cameras wouldn't be. Cameras erode trust. I cannot fathom this happening where I am. I hope it never does. The bottom line is that no one knows what they're dealing with any more with weapons issues and so many unclear rules. Though, please let's not pretend there is trust. If people can't manage social relationships in a mutually respectful way at a very basic level, then let's forget about education altogether too. It makes the environment complex and political. Focus on ideas, not laws.
@@Gogs126 Cameras are allowed everywhere except toilets and changing rooms. What he is doing (as long as he doesnt keep the tapes to wank to, which I dont think he does) Is both legal and moral, And it is the only way he can defend himself at a time when public lynching before/ without a fair trial is common practice.
im persian and i've spent time in an iranian prison, and i've lived here all of my 20 years... all i've ever wanted for myself and my people has been western laws that grant individual liberties, and to think you have a generation hell bent on eradicating that seems immeasurably moronic
Living in an ex-communist country, member of the Warsaw Pact and serf to the USSR, I am baffled to see all these folk from Western Europe and from over the pond actually cherish socialist and Marxist thought... And they're fight to implement it in our societies it's also so extraterrestrial to me.
@@dan-andreinafureanu6046 okay m8, they don't yet understand just how corrupting, power is. especially when only a few have it without answering to anyone
@@siavoushavesta5324 Exactly. And all systems are bound to fail to corruption, but some less than others. And I think that history proved us which ones are the least corruptible ones.
I have huge respect for this interviewer, she's actually listening to someone else's opinion instead of injecting question after question to just ignore what point Peterson just made
There such a huge divorce between how people practically behave day-to-day and what people want to claim the 'rules' are. I've been hit on, not a million times, but it's happened, by men and women. Pretty much every time, the offer involved an initiation of physical contact. It's called 'making a move', we all know what that is, or at least we used to (It doesn't mean I got grabbed in my special place, it's usually a hand on a leg or something like that). It takes courage, and doesn't always go well. Sure, it wasn't always welcome on my side, particularly from another guy, but how petty and small of me to call it harassment, let alone sexual assault. If you live in reality, go to bars and clubs with horny drunk people looking for love, sometimes this will happen. That's life and being human, and to my mind not a particularly big deal. But suddenly, we lump those people under sexual assaulters, ruin their lives, and make it so people in general become afraid to engage in natural human interaction. All because a few idealists and young people thought they could define human behavior in two sentences of 'right' and 'wrong' based on their own desire to be free from having to ever deal with anything they didn't want to.
This just underscores that feminism, the MeToo movement, and all of this gender crap in general isn't about equality or anything of the sort.... if it were women would be lining up to take the burden off men in the deadly jobs they do that women don't yet enjoy the benefits of. It's about power. Pure, raw, unadulterated power. That and nothing more.
What if you are speaking as someone who simply has been lucky enough to never be sexually assaulted? I see you as taking your luck for granted, and speaking from a position of privilege based on your egocentric-regressed claim that JP's followers - being you - must know better than the majority of the academic world and popn who think otherwise. Truth is, there is a difference from guys who make a move by touching your arm let's say, versus your butt, or by slipping pills into your drink. This is what the MeToo movement is more concerned with, and you're dismissing those as if they are not common nor what the concern is. Do some research into the stats. Don't take it from me (someone you probably assume is a liberal).
Virtuoso80 I'm a woman who has been hit on probably millions of times😄. Thank you for so articulately saying what I've thought. I wish what you've written could be read by more people. I've been hit on by teachers, employers, coworkers, staff, doctors, but never once felt they were sexually harassing me. Personally, when a man has made a move on me, I've always thought of it as a compliment. In my opinion, regardless of whether I'm interested in taking him up on it, it's still a very nice thing that someone finds me attractive enough that they've taken the risk of rejection, by letting me know, even if the so called balance of power is in their favor, such as from an employer. (People have to meet somewhere.) Some men do just come out & say they find you attractive, & generally if you only respond by saying thank you, they understand you're politely saying the feeling isn't reciprocated. Even if it's done by a hand on the leg etc., most men quickly pick up on whether or not you're interested, a few make a 2nd move that requires you be a bit more obvious in response, but that's just the equivalent to being asked if they read you right that you're saying "no". I hope this "me too" movement gets sorted out better & it doesn't put men off from 'making their move'. I'm sure some women have been harrassed, but not all men should be viewed as harrassers because of it. It really is a nice thing that someone is letting you know you're attractive enough to have caught their attention, & I as far as I'm concerned, I hope men continue.
"Having never really had the fortune to spend any time in an Iranian prison, for example, they're not very good at distinguishing between what constitutes a tyranny and what constitutes a free society." So damn true.
@Scion of Madness Yep; it's a thing that 'wasn't a thing' until it started being taught out of practically nowhere. And as such it trains people to focus on the undesirable rather than the desirable - what they *don't* want vs. what they do. "I know what you're against - what are you _for?_ " -Emile deBeque, "South Pacific"
He is always spot on during interviews. She was an excellent speaker as well. Most women jump to the feminism, and all the rest of the negative bandwagons. It's a scary world for a man. Why are women making it that way? It's a shame.
Woman making it that way? Don't blame woman on this. We man let this happen to ourselves. The man around the globe became weak in the past couple of decades, so of course that this happened to us.
Genuinely interesting question, possible that, in part, women enjoy having the upper hand over their male counterparts for the first time in cultural history.
Landon Morgan I don’t paint that picture at all, that’s an enormous leap from what I said. I was referring explicitly to the “don’t be alone in a room with a woman”. In this specific situation, the woman will be given the benefit of the doubt over a man. It’s like the accusation is enough, due course is given no credence at all in favour of consequences.
Oh it's not just women. Take a look at the employees on CNN! Don Lemon for example. It is a rare thing for him to say the truth and nothing but the truth the others who lick up the rest of the landscape trying to taste what he left behind. A network named the "Con News Network" and most of them are men. Or at least a lot of them? If I watch anything from them it's usually that.
I like how this discussion feels like it's beginning to point towards getting to the bottom of problems, rather than failing to get anywhere at the basic things such as being able to mutually properly define terms without yelling at eachother.
Keeping the door open is really good advice... you never know where the lies will hide. In these times, you're playing with fire to underestimate the potential for personal disaster.
Zayan Watchel and what is a politician really? A word Smith, a bad descendant of sophistry that seek nothing but personal gain with no actual deep understanding of things in general and easily being controlled by the highest elite, if money is '' right''. Is this the person you seek to vote? I wouldn't.
Ervin Ruka And when did I use the word "politician?" Never, I said leader. I don't want somebody who's better at politicking then leading to be the leader of my country. They need skill at both. Jordan has neither, he had never, to my knowledge, led an organization, dabbled in politics or anything a good politician _and leader_ does. He's a psychologist, this does not, and will never, make him a leader. He can teach, speak and research, true. But he has never demonstrated himself capable of leading. Full stop. This dogmatic view of Peterson as a messiah is weird to me, especially when you want him as your PM.
Zayan Watchel I wrote in general. I'm not saying JP is a leader or indeed he should become one. I'm only arguing that your idea of a leader is an wrong one. You see a leader in a politician or someone that lead an '' organisation'' or whatever that means. You mean a bank manager, a hedge fund executive?? Oh great, the last thing we want is to put in charge not only a rhetorician but also a bank manager. Let's jump from someone who's greedy to someone who produces greed :). You know, the founders of philosophy argued that the leaders of a nation should be on the par with sages or be a sage. Let that sink in for a moment.
it feels so good to watch and listen to a conversation between two intelligent people that are not out to get the other, but to exchange ideas on the basis of respect
Réality ! Truth ! Thats they feat the most !! That all of the other are evil and its theyr fault !! Not mine !! How can we go on whith those histeric People !?
This is one of the few interviews where the interviewer doesn't put words in JP's mouth. Typically, the interviewers put words in JP's mouth, which then results in JP repeating the same phrase for half the runtime, "No, that's not what I said."
How refreshing to come across an interviewer who actually lets an interviewee answer a question, without interrupting them. Andrew Neil et al, listen and learn!
Agree. FYI My response to a charge of micro aggression in my behavior: an apology of micro (or better still, nano) proportions. Grow up, get a back bone and learn to live in a society where - heaven forbid - you might not be surrounded by a personal cheer squad.
Another example of micro aggressions is a society where sexist, demeaning comments exist everywhere: home, workplace, books, newspapers, television, politics, religion, etc.... These micro aggressions carry on for hundreds of years, leading up to a society where women are not treated with an equal amount of respect as men. I can see how your example might be true too.
@Mass acher You see, that's where we differ. Everyone has my respect to begin with, nobody has to earn it. Why would I treat a complete stranger with disrespect? They can however, do things to lose or diminish my respect, like you have just done.
Oh wow... a conversation! AN ACTUAL CONVERSATION!! I remember these! When two people spoke without constantly trying to back each other into a corner or shout each other down. And all this between a man and a woman... extraordinary!!!! Off to try and find the full interview, this is so refreshing
A conversation where he talks 90% of the time.. It's called an interview. Let's not pretend it's a conversation when a man lectures a woman and she listens most of the time.
This is honestly one of the most captivating interviews I’ve ever seen. The interviewer was the epitome of a professional and, as always, Jordan Peterson did a fantastic job explaining the impetus for “sexual misconduct.”
Could you elaborate for me? I'm trying to break it down but I dont feel as if I've gotten it completely. Is it because if the door is closed then one person can lie about something that happened and almost be validated just by the fact the door was shut rather than by presenting any imperial evidence to prove their claims??
Wizdom Werks agreed, as well it could create the feeling of being trapped. That feeling might increase someone’s awareness and read too much into the situation and perhaps even look for sexual advantages where there isn’t any.
Wizdom Werks partly but he’s also referring to the consequence rather than intent belief. So for instance, where consequence is believed over intent then manipulation of consequences are inevitable.
A man and a woman having an intelligent discussion on modern problems, there's still hope for humanity!
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Now look for the same thing in among the young generation.
So refreshing to see “Jordan Peterson on me too” rather than “Jordan Peterson DESTROYS me too”
Id say Jordan himself detests those titles because it doesnt get anywhere
@@harvey4385 It's entertaining to some, but ultimately it's him having to give the same speech he's given hundreds of times. There's no further progression, no philosophical advice, and nothing for the viewer who actually wants to learn or open their perspective
@@charlesthegreat4139 watch half of his 300 lectures and you might begin to scratch the surface
Exactly
Turns out you can still get views without being a clickbaiting douche
It’s sad that all the comments are praising her for being reasonable because we’ve gotten so used to unreasonable behaviour and steering conversation away from reality
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Its sad that a woman is only appreciated when she is agreeing mostly with what Peterson says and doesnt interrupt his monologues
Yeah, I think its nice to see that they're discussing together, not having a war with words.
I like this woman. She's good, she listens and adds to the debate. I like her.
Yes she was great unfortunately she passed away last year from lung cancer
she's dead
While Ms. Blatchford is no longer with us in person, people can still read her books and many of her articles that are still on line.
i find it interesting your comment starts with "I like this women [...] she listens" hahaha. But yes, she's good at having conversations.
I don’t hear an intelligent continuation of any one topic, I hear two similar minded individuals discussing a range of current event topics only 1-2 layers deep, without either establishing multiple viewpoints and parameters of the issues or even sticking to one specific issue.
Two minutes in, and I could see this woman was going to have an INTELLIGENT conversation instead of "gotcha".
Deplorable Dave you don’t get to have an opinion ya deplorable, don’t ya know all of us trump supporters are evil racists?
Deplorable Dave its because you are generally extremely clever mr President. God bless you.
yeah she immediately was interested in having a good conversation
Like water in the desert, isn't it?
Deplorable Dave - Much better than that "hit piece," with that Feminist, Channel 4, Fake News, accuser.
Look at all the love she gets just for listening and having a rational discussion... See how easy it is?
@Jarvy Mcmunn Rights are no different.
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It's easy indeed, if you agree with him.
@@romekhanys9215 And it's hard to refute what he says and prove he's wrong because, well, he uses facts and logic
hound doggin - we are all grateful to you for raising the tone of this debate 🤔
"Having never had the fortune to spend time in an Iranian prison, they're not very good at distinguishing what constitutes a tyranny and a free society"! LOL Yep! he's quite right, unfortunately!
At the same time someone outside of our system of operations could point out our tyranny that maybe we'd been so accustomed to that we no longer are aware of it. Like one fish asking another fish, 'how's the water' and the fish responding 'what water?'
Get a clue. Phone a friend maybe.
I don't know if prisons anywhere are less tyrannical unless you are an influential person.
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@@pazzodi3 exactly.
My favprite thing about this conversation is how damn relaxed both of them are. Dr. Peterson is literally laid-back, sipping coffee, arms open and just enjoying a reasonable chat with another person, instead of buttoned up and ready to defend himself from any angle of attack. What a diference from many other interviews.
That's because she wants to have an intelligent discussion, not prove how brilliant or superior she is...unlike many of the people Peterson debates.
This is because they are adults. People that did real work. And played outside as kids, and got disciplined as kids. So they know how to act by the time they are 18-21.
Respect to this lady for actually listening to him and asking him what certain things mean. This lady is awesome cause she's open minded.
It is a sad day when being a reasonable person capable of thought is considered a particularly meritorious trait.
@@triplea657aaa it has always been this way
Im all for someone who wants to conduct an interview to ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING for once, as opposed to the flurry of disgruntled bitter Demotards whose thinly veiled intent is to vent and spew and try to corner and entrap Dr. P, or go down in incompetent flames trying to get in the last jab.
Many kudos for this woman who clearly isn't intimidated by his intellect, and didnt go into it set to boil over in rabid fervour once she found a trigger point, and who educated everyone with intelligent discourse. FIRST DR. J. INTERVIEW IVE SEEN YET to do this, anywhere.
Unless she's talking about whistleblowers
So if a woman listens to a man that makes her good and you like her. God forbide she disagrees with the man. Hmmm?
Blatchford passed away today.
Peterson is fighting for his life in Russia.
This video is more important today than ever.
No way, she did?! This is my first time hearing about her, let alone watching a video featuring her.
And did you see the comment from the butthurts toward Peterson? Sickening. This is why mental health issues are still being kept hush-hush: because of insensitive, brainless people.
You don't agree with his stance, fine, but don't tell him he deserves his addiction. That's like telling someone they deserved cancer. Not cool people, not cool.
RIP good lady
That's really sad. She seems alive and kicking in this video.
@@kittymamayyz I disagree with JBP a lot, but I genuinely hope he will come out of this ordeal ok. I don't hate him, I just disagree often. I hope he will draw attention to the negative side effects of psychiatric drugs in the future. Lots of people are struggling because of prescribed drugs.
Metoo started out going after real offensive serial abusers and evolved into complaints about bad dates.
In Denmark, we are about to implement, a ‘passport’ like agreement, between individuals, before having sex.
Don’t know how that’s gonna workout
@@Agerskiold i guess there will be some sort of assortment of rubber stamps and ink pads for approved activities.
@@Loganthered1 Yeah something like that 😂
It’s crazy 😝
@@Agerskiold whoa.. I so surprised with what we doing in Denmark 🇩🇰.. forget sometimes we not better then another countries on that subject
@Pick Monitor "He was 10 minutes late, the chicken was cold, I think I was raped,' CAREER OVER!"
Bill Burr, paper tiger
Peterson is a cool guy with a distinctly rational way of looking at things. It's refreshing, we need him. But can't help thinking that many people reading/watching him just mindlessly agree with everything he says because he is a "genius". And I'm sure not even JP himself wants that.
He would most certainly be absolutely terrified by the idea of people blindly following him. "Think for yourself" is at the core of what he is trying to tell people, I believe. And people will be all over his videos like "he's so right! genius!" - while blindly agreeing to him, because he said something that is critical of the "left" and fits in their view of the world. People are just lazy and complacent.
I agree. Theres a lot of sense in what he says but I think there are issues with some of his assertions that could be challenged by someone prepared to engage intelligently.
That's not it. He is popular because the vast majority of thinking people with experience have realized for a long time that 99% of what he is saying is obviously true. We're just glad that finally someone in Academia has the intelligence, the work-ethic, the blameless past, and the courage to stand up to the bullies......People with both traditional conservative values AND traditional liberal values are horrified by the woke mob. They've abandoned any sense of fair play or reason. Liberals were the CHAMPIONS of free speech in the past
RIP Christie Blatchford. Not many like her left around.
dafq she died :O
OMG wtf she died like 2 weeks ago!!! T-T what a big loss. She was quite amazing...
@@psychologienerd7546 NO FREAKING WAY really??? That's horrible!!!
Noooo. She passed away? :(
@@willnicholson18 ha, wow, how could a chain smoking alcoholic not live forever? There's no other explanation, it must be a conspiracy
A couple of very intelligent Canadians have a very reasonable discussion.
Sorry
Eh...
being candaian is irrelevant to who they are
@@pinktink2976
I disagree
@@brpitrepeters7983 But you have no intelligent argument to present as to why
An interviewer who isn’t trying to demean and corner him?! She is actually having a conversation.
Jordan is such a breath of fresh air! Making sense of difficult topics
I really like this lady. Idk who she is, I bumped into this video by chance but she seems so genuinely interested but also highly educated and well spoken. It is just so nice to hear a calm conversation about charged topics.
I've been following Christie since she began her career in Edmonton before going out east, a true journalist
"Bumped into this video by chance".....you may wish to reconsider that statement considering the platform.
Rebecca robinson she barely said anything
She is a Canadian Journalist
@devil dawg In fairness, it's not very effective opening jars of pickles
It's so oddly refreshing to hear JP have an actual discussion with a woman who actually listens, behaves fairly rationally and seeks to reach a common understanding through their conversation.
You're right, this wasn't a discussion, rather than just a conversation in which the two people just talk about a topic and agree on it.
I get asknorway's point tho in that it is refreshing to finally see a calm conversation rather with a person who listens to JP rather than to not to.
I'm not trying to stir some stuff, but i do have to point out that OP did not say "with a person", he said "with a woman". And i understand where he comes from because I've seen many cringy so called "feminists" argue irrationally with him about basic concepts. I'll just close by saying it is always refreshing to see a calm conversation between two person, male or female, capable of listening to each other. JP made a lecture on that, and it's very interesting.
nice try except he literally said that. It's commonly called a slip of the tongue. I might exaggerated but it's more likely that.
If you think that's refreshing, you should try Jesus!
I think @asknorway was just pointing out how fortunate it is that the of the whole of the context happened, not just this snippet.
Christie Blatchford a legend and a real journalist. 🙏 RIP.
Watching the way this woman listened and had a genuine conversation to explore a powerful topic was refreshing and beautiful to witness.
Holy shit. An interviewer that asks relevant and non-abrasive questions? Must be Canadian.
@UA-cam Veterinarian
On the whole. Canadians are known for being nice and tolerant.
@@theresag1969 we used to be that way. Before postmodernism and intersectionality.
@@rhumandlove393 Postmodernism took root there specifically because you're polite. It victimizes the kind.
Canada is almost as woke as Sweden is. To say Dr. P is on the front lines, dosen't get much more literal short of placing him in a real warzone.
yeah right, we canadians have treated Peterson like trash. Protests everywhere he goes, harassed at his own place of work, etc...
I could tell from the first 10 seconds that I was going to like this woman. She was visibly calm and genuinely LISTENING to JP.
Tortuga 58 This person, you mean. Why mention her gender? Sounds like you have trouble with uppity n... women.
I mention her gender because it is relevant to the context, given other instances of JBP being pretty clearly misconstrued by women. Example: Cathy Newman.
KZ And you proceed to extrapolate the behaviour of one JP fan to the whole group. Great work.
Steel Xcaliber how did I even do that? I pointed to him as an individual, stop being so triggered. I know you might think he belongs to your in-group and you should defend him, but we should criticize based on individual behavior, not on in- or out-group.
Yes I was a bit scared too, you never know when he's talking with a woman if she's a feminist or not
When I saw that Jordan Peterson was being interviewed by Christie Blatchford I immediately had to watch this video. It is so sad that we have lost such a great journalist. Rest in peace Christie Blatchford, we miss you.
"I'm offended" is nothing more than accepting you are unwilling to control your own emotions and expect others to do so for you.
Only someone who wants to offend and not be called out on it would say something like that. Its definitely true that people are too sensitive nowadays and avoid nuance in uncomfortable subjects but that doesnt mean offense is normal. There is a too far. There is a lack of consideration. And people do get release on their bias by offending people and theb hiding behind "hey you are too sensitive" afterwards. Intent is important.
Or it could mean that you are offended.
That´s a brutal clear stop sign
that your advances are not welcome
(if it goes down to that you must be at best much more lower in intelligence than bucket of very unintelligent rocks)
any one who don´t stop then
deserves anything what they got after that
I couldn't have said it better myself!
All respect for this woman, absolutely refreshing to hear a reflective, intelligent and composed woman.
More of this, less of the hysterical radicalists.
Agreed. This was perhaps the only reasonable and positive interview involving a woman that I've seen regarding metoo
@@seankelly8906 I have seen a lot of them totally against me too. .. Laura Southern, Katie Hopkins, Bree, Lena, Candace, seem to be, and of course many I know in real life..
This woman is literally ever woman who doesn’t live in a big city and watch CNN.
There are many of us!
Geez, how much do you have to hate women to have these kinds of expectations of them... It's like you consider them second class human beings.
Thank you dear lady to ACTUALLY letting him speak and answer your questions for truth’s sake, not your feelings. THAT is a real journalist. THANK YOU!
Sir Humphrey?
He doesn't care for her feelings he is a misogynist (feminists) 2020
The fact that this person even took the time to NOT interrupt him all the time, let him talk, have meaningful questions, allow for intellectual dissent between them... I know this was going to be good. I love this type of discourse.
I love the part where he expressed his deep wish of punching a female critic in the face. As if that wasn't a complete violation of moral both for a public speaker AND A FUCKING MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL YOU ABSOLUTE POTATOES!
@@kaivogel253 Did he punch her? We all have thoughts of doing things we will not really do, you also
@@michaelcraig9449 he openly expressed his desire for violence and that violence is an option. This promotes violence. This is a mockery of the mindset of an actual medical professional. He is setting a dangerous example.
@@kaivogel253okay?
@@kaivogel253okay?
This is a great discussion of two educated people sharing ideas and learning how to move forward through this societal issue
Anyone else fascinated with how pretty the rainbow books are? Really really nice background.
Beard Nye The Drum Guy yeah how can you not noticed that, but as a Rasta well bruh we don’t go with any feminine shit fuck nah, but not to confuse we respect whatever anyone wants todo with their body and mind JUST LEAVE US OUT OF YOUR NONSENSE
Apart from the lilac book that ruins the rainbow
Those are gay books!
@@Ignasimp Those aren't gay books unless you give it such meaning. Just because LGBT is using the rainbow, doesn't mean that everything with a nice colour flow is a reference to it.
"Fascinated" is a bit strong.
My main takeaway from this video is that the light purple book in the background has to go. It’s throwing off that colour gradient. I’m not actually sure what happened in this video as I couldn’t concentrate on anything other than that damn book. 😂
Jeff Brailsford hahaha just noticed that and now I can’t unsee it
#metoo :D
Damn it, man. What have you done..
First thing I did was scan the gradient because that light purple book jumped out at me like and took up permanent residence in my line of sight. Then I restarted the video so I could listen to the conversation but that book never shut up for a second.
Now I can't unsee it! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!?! 😂
Fantastic interview. I would have loved to have seen a discussion, or several, between these two. Christie was one amazing lady who is missed.
Love that lady! Thank you for let us listen without interruption
RIP Christie Blatchford we lost a true warrior and great human being.
yiykes.... humanity lost something of value,
so you're basically saying that everyone else is miserable
@@liminal6669 Cathy Newman? Is that you?
@@willembuysman5217 Are you assuming my gender? You are basically saying talking like that makes me a horrible person and also a terrorist?
@@liminal6669 i hope you are sarcastic
You know the world has gone to hell when it’s rare to see a civil conversation like this
We should be careful not exaggerate the rarity as such a value judgement has the potential to create a fracture and further us/them separation. A short period of reflection would reveal to most of us the items causing discomfort in contemporary society. There's only so long one can hold their breath; eventually, regular breathing will be resumed. (We've yet to see what benefits this panicked, breathless moment in social discussion will create: negative examples can be powerfully instructive. Peterson seems to understand this, hence his steadfast curiosity and calm.) Important we don't give up.
It's not really that rare. You just watch the wrong things. Vocal minority and all that.
In the past it wasn’t better.
@@FreedomPuppy yes, very true, 'cause I can see civil conversations everyday in our professors and teachers and such
Most 'conversations' and interviews are just ratings grabs and so incl the dramatics.
Just read that this lady died not long after this interview. I have never come across her before but what a refreshing thing to watch two grown ups having a decent discussion. RIP young lady, you sounded a very interesting woman.
It's so refreshing to see someone discuss with Jordan Peterson in a rational manner, creating a proper, civilized and intellectual discussion.
@@jeniferdouglas Exactly! And I think it allows the discussion to go deeper, unlike with interviewers who have an agenda who force the guest to state the obvious every time as an attempt to counter ideology. I think like so many bad interviewers have prevented Jordan Peterson from going to a deeper side of the discussion, simply because the interviewers were too biased or clueless to handle it.
And, as you mentioned, having different sides being presented calmly and with as little bias as possible feels so much more intellectually stimulating.
the part where he mentioned you can't divorce sexuality from everything and being central hits home.. this is what's wrong with current days.. people not taking responsibility of anything.
Cho Zan Aung
That's a massive generalization which is a little hard to defend. I see it somewhat differently. When people live according to their own lights (so to speak), without reference to TRUTH, they will take responsibility for whatever they consider important and ignore what doesn't appeal to them. Many folks prove ardent and diligent in pursuit of things which don't profit them in the long run. They 'chase after wind.' Abandonment or subjectivization of TRUTH is one of the features of postmodernism (so I have heard).
At the end of the book of Judges in the Old Testament, which describes a dark time in ancient Israelite history, it says:
'In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.'
It's not a plug for monarchy, but a reflection on the social disorder of the day.
@Darth Canid
How do you differentiate between the 'simple masses' and those not so simple, the 'enlightened elite' or however else one might describe them? I find SIMPLE differentiation between the two categories rather elusive.
It's not that hard to find historical personages who have made the transition from one category to another during the course of a lifetime. The transition is possible in either direction, though the social climbers get more attention from historians I suppose.
If you look at Philippians 2:5-11, you will see that JESUS of Nazareth took the biggest demotion in history, and has also received the greatest promotion. I'll let you figure out how that worked by reading the passage.
But in theory Jesus could have had anything He wanted (as satan tried to remind Him during His forty days' temptation in the desert), yet He chose to identify with the suffering masses, and the healing ministry which made Him famous underlined that commitment.
Moreover, what's inherently wrong with being part of the simple masses-------------often defined by their poverty in economic resources, educational achievement, or access to the ornaments of 'high' culture, relative to the 'superior' classes? Don't these have an inherent dignity, despite their lack, because their labor in large measure supports the 'superior' classes, enabling them to pursue their goals? I'm not trying to strike a 'marxist' tone; there is certainly no need for that.
(Proverbs 14:31) 'He who oppresses the poor taunts his Maker; but he who is gracious to the needy honors Him.'
The very notion of 'merit', as commonly understood in the secular world, is open to question:
(Psalm 49:16-18) 'Do not be afraid when a man becomes rich, when the glory of his house is increased; for when he dies he will carry nothing away; his glory will not descend after him. Though while he lives he congratulates himself, and though men praise you when you do well for yourself, he shall go to te hgeneration of his fathers; they will never see the light.'
For that matter, religious notions of human 'merit' are pretty flimsy:
(Romans 3:23) 'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.'
(James 2:10) 'IF anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.'
Judging by some of my discussion in recent days, I seem to have anti-meritocracy on the brain. Nevertheless it has a better Biblical foundation than many might suppose. The Bible proclaims the love of God and the way of human salvation; in the end, liberation from the dominion of sin and death. Everyone is invited to the table on the same basis, which is grace, not merit. Reinforcing moral precept in order to strengthen hierarchical social control, the 'opiate of the masses' and all that----------------this is 'small potatoes' compared with salvation. For the 'small potatoes', any old religion or ideology could be pressed into service.
Yup! The sex drive governs a sizeable chunk of human activity!
It is this simple the bible runs on the same fundamentals, if something is deemed wrong consequences need to be enforced to keep the majority from doing so. Just like the bible has guidelines to follow it also tells you what happens when you dont (punishments). Thats how rules who for the majority of people, if there is now consequence they dont care. Example people of both sexs cheat on each other all the time but yet everyone universally knows its wrong but still happens. If this was punishable by law you would see a huge decrease. This falls right back to the op comment that take no responsibility nowadays.
@@ThePhenom411
Yes, you have latched on to a part of the Bible's message; yet it would be a mistake to suppose that moral enforcement is its overriding purpose. Perhaps you concentrated your attention on the Law of Moses, which includes not only the Ten Commandments but (as one hears) a total of 613 specific positive commandments or regulations.
The consequence for ancient Israel of obedience to the WHOLE Law would be temporal blessing and security from enemies of every kind.
The consequence of FAILURE to obey the whole Law would be cursing, including economic insecurity, rampant disease, foreign invasion, even exile from the Promised Land. As it turned out, the people of Israel disobeyed far more than they obeyed, and they received curses in abundance, though God never withdrew His love entirely from them. He has not done so even to this day. Such is the GRACE (undeserved favor) of God.
If we regard Law only and not GRACE as well, we distort the image of God and lose the source of all hope.
For the fact remains that humans are constitutionally INCAPABLE of obeying God's laws, certainly neither consistently nor from the heart and usually not at all, because we are SINNERS by nature. (Sin=missing the mark, an inherited predisposition to stray from truth and integrity.)
Therefore, according to the apostle Paul (writing in the New Testament), the Law is a TUTOR to lead us to Christ. For it is CHRIST alone Who is qualified to bring us in to the presence of God, to make us acceptable to Him.
When the Spirit of God reveals to us the fatal limitations of our self-righteousness, our effort to do good on own behalf, we are enabled to REPENT and receive the righteousness of Christ as a GIFT.
It says that 'Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'
Romans 6:23 brings together the theme of CONSEQUENCES for sin and the theme of GRACE:
(Romans 6:23) 'For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.'
Once received, this gift empowers the believer in Christ to do works consistent with the Law from a new heart, a renewed motivation-------------hence the expression, 'born again' (used by Jesus Himself in John 3:3 and following).
Good on Christie Blatchford for being one of the few columnists to conduct a proper interview with Peterson. May her efforts and mode of conduct bear fruit that allows her to move up the ranks!
This is pre programmed, so they can control the direction the sheep will walk.
The way they talked was so refreshing. An actual fact based conversation with hints of personal opinion. Awesome
As someone who has been a recipient of sexual harassment, I define it as repeated advances when it is clear that it is unwanted.
One guy that I was interviewing for a student paper when I was 18 grabbed me to keep me from leaving the room. When you have to overcome a person's defenses to have sexual contact with them, that should be a clue.
I think it goes beyond asking someone if they want to go out on a date and being turned down.
What you said is reasonable. Sadly, for some feminist extremists, almost anything can be (or not) a "microagression".
Thanks for explaining. This makes it so easy to understand.
Yeah, those are called serious criminals - they do wrong even after realising dat its wrng... But most of the pipol realises dat after one time.
And what he did is a direct harassment, not a micro agression ; i hope u reported him and if u didnt, hope he now knows what he did was wrng and regrets doing that :)
So this happened to you. All too often teenage boys and men overrule girls and women and force themselves on them and all to often they nag and continue on nagging until they get their way and some make it a little into a joke, but they all have one focus and that is getting "sex" no matter what and THAT is not what sex with consent looks like, but that is how you Rape! For it makes the female freeze and they in the end only give in because they can't think clearly no more and feel frozen and the freeze reaction is a survival reaction of the brain that makes it unable to refuse anymore and leave... So these overruling approaches are harmful and wrong and boys and men need to be raised to become better men in this area! Girls and women deserve respect!
@@mireilleronhaar5487 go get some milk
The final piece here rings so true. As an educator, I have three cameras in my room at all times, one in my office with a 360 ceiling view and two in the classroom. Everything is there. The trust between myself and my students has always been there, but I'm covering my own rearside just in case.
Smart.
I'd argue that if the trust between you and the students was there, then the cameras wouldn't be. Cameras erode trust. I cannot fathom this happening where I am. I hope it never does. The bottom line is that no one knows what they're dealing with any more with weapons issues and so many unclear rules.
Though, please let's not pretend there is trust. If people can't manage social relationships in a mutually respectful way at a very basic level, then let's forget about education altogether too. It makes the environment complex and political. Focus on ideas, not laws.
Jon Stewart uj
Do the students know? Otherwise you're just Chuck Berry
@@Gogs126 Cameras are allowed everywhere except toilets and changing rooms.
What he is doing (as long as he doesnt keep the tapes to wank to, which I dont think he does)
Is both legal and moral,
And it is the only way he can defend himself at a time when public lynching before/ without a fair trial is common practice.
Finally, Jordan is interviewed by an intelligent person and not one of Jim Henson's Muppets.
@Tanner Ransom
I was going to say that!!!
Yes, now we need a sane, well-intended and really intelligent person as an interviewee. We already solved 50% of It. Ahahahahahahahahaha
Thank God for this conversation!
I miss Christie Blatchford. She was an old school crime reporter. Always enjoyed her take on criminal trials. RIP Christie.
Christie Blatchford is a great Journalist. One of the few "Good Reads" left in Canada. She gets it!
Try reading her compadre Barbara Kay.
im persian and i've spent time in an iranian prison, and i've lived here all of my 20 years... all i've ever wanted for myself and my people has been western laws that grant individual liberties, and to think you have a generation hell bent on eradicating that seems immeasurably moronic
You get it, thank you.
Living in an ex-communist country, member of the Warsaw Pact and serf to the USSR, I am baffled to see all these folk from Western Europe and from over the pond actually cherish socialist and Marxist thought... And they're fight to implement it in our societies it's also so extraterrestrial to me.
@@dan-andreinafureanu6046 okay m8, they don't yet understand just how corrupting, power is. especially when only a few have it without answering to anyone
@@siavoushavesta5324 Exactly. And all systems are bound to fail to corruption, but some less than others. And I think that history proved us which ones are the least corruptible ones.
@@dan-andreinafureanu6046 precisely, peace brother
I have huge respect for this interviewer, she's actually listening to someone else's opinion instead of injecting question after question to just ignore what point Peterson just made
I have so much respect for both of them. Heart-warming dialogue
I like her
Potential micro aggression spotted
Ibn Sina Don’t be stupid
Ibn Sina What????
Zubby Starstorm don‘t take the obvious bait. He was trolling.
Same.
There such a huge divorce between how people practically behave day-to-day and what people want to claim the 'rules' are. I've been hit on, not a million times, but it's happened, by men and women. Pretty much every time, the offer involved an initiation of physical contact. It's called 'making a move', we all know what that is, or at least we used to (It doesn't mean I got grabbed in my special place, it's usually a hand on a leg or something like that). It takes courage, and doesn't always go well. Sure, it wasn't always welcome on my side, particularly from another guy, but how petty and small of me to call it harassment, let alone sexual assault. If you live in reality, go to bars and clubs with horny drunk people looking for love, sometimes this will happen. That's life and being human, and to my mind not a particularly big deal. But suddenly, we lump those people under sexual assaulters, ruin their lives, and make it so people in general become afraid to engage in natural human interaction. All because a few idealists and young people thought they could define human behavior in two sentences of 'right' and 'wrong' based on their own desire to be free from having to ever deal with anything they didn't want to.
Can I print this and hang it on my wall?
This just underscores that feminism, the MeToo movement, and all of this gender crap in general isn't about equality or anything of the sort.... if it were women would be lining up to take the burden off men in the deadly jobs they do that women don't yet enjoy the benefits of. It's about power. Pure, raw, unadulterated power. That and nothing more.
look at the bright side : it helps stemming the overpopulation of the world
What if you are speaking as someone who simply has been lucky enough to never be sexually assaulted? I see you as taking your luck for granted, and speaking from a position of privilege based on your egocentric-regressed claim that JP's followers - being you - must know better than the majority of the academic world and popn who think otherwise. Truth is, there is a difference from guys who make a move by touching your arm let's say, versus your butt, or by slipping pills into your drink. This is what the MeToo movement is more concerned with, and you're dismissing those as if they are not common nor what the concern is.
Do some research into the stats. Don't take it from me (someone you probably assume is a liberal).
Virtuoso80 I'm a woman who has been hit on probably millions of times😄. Thank you for so articulately saying what I've thought. I wish what you've written could be read by more people. I've been hit on by teachers, employers, coworkers, staff, doctors, but never once felt they were sexually harassing me. Personally, when a man has made a move on me, I've always thought of it as a compliment. In my opinion, regardless of whether I'm interested in taking him up on it, it's still a very nice thing that someone finds me attractive enough that they've taken the risk of rejection, by letting me know, even if the so called balance of power is in their favor, such as from an employer. (People have to meet somewhere.) Some men do just come out & say they find you attractive, & generally if you only respond by saying thank you, they understand you're politely saying the feeling isn't reciprocated. Even if it's done by a hand on the leg etc., most men quickly pick up on whether or not you're interested, a few make a 2nd move that requires you be a bit more obvious in response, but that's just the equivalent to being asked if they read you right that you're saying "no". I hope this "me too" movement gets sorted out better & it doesn't put men off from 'making their move'. I'm sure some women have been harrassed, but not all men should be viewed as harrassers because of it. It really is a nice thing that someone is letting you know you're attractive enough to have caught their attention, & I as far as I'm concerned, I hope men continue.
It's refreshing to see an interview where the goal isnt to make Dr. Peterson look bad.
i respect this interviewer so much for listen to him and giving him a chance to explain
a JBP video with no clickbait title???? im offended
@A M i'm satified
@A M much better!
"Jordan Peterson obliterates leftist professor, makes xer cry" better
@A M just died laughing holy shit
A M Then OBLITERATES the planet!
Now this is a conversation. This is how we should be discussing these subjects or subjects in general.
"Having never really had the fortune to spend any time in an Iranian prison, for example, they're not very good at distinguishing between what constitutes a tyranny and what constitutes a free society." So damn true.
I didn’t understand this. Please can you explain??
@@TChishi Recent generations growing up in western society have largely been spoiled by the high degree of freedoms they take for granted.
Wow....... this conversation is......amazing........
FINALLY! Someone who actually listens.. WOW, what a completely different interview when a recipient "ACTUALLY" listen!!!
These two are a breath of fresh air, a welcome oasis of intelligence & reason in a chaotic, mad and maddening world
This was a good vid. Topic was interesting, people were polite good questions. Shame we don't have more vids like this one :/
Super cool to see that she is listening and not just attacking. I really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you
I am tired of the term “micro aggression”. I feel like it advocates and encourages weak psychological and emotional maturity and strength.
@Scion of Madness
Yep; it's a thing that 'wasn't a thing' until it started being taught out of practically nowhere. And as such it trains people to focus on the undesirable rather than the desirable - what they *don't* want vs. what they do.
"I know what you're against - what are you _for?_ "
-Emile deBeque, "South Pacific"
no one cares about your feeling
I am offended!
@@tonyromano6220 who cares..... pffttt...
Rem Ruata 😹👍🏻
He is always spot on during interviews. She was an excellent speaker as well. Most women jump to the feminism, and all the rest of the negative bandwagons.
It's a scary world for a man. Why are women making it that way? It's a shame.
Not exactly scary, sticks and stones and all that, but it is confusing
Woman making it that way?
Don't blame woman on this. We man let this happen to ourselves.
The man around the globe became weak in the past couple of decades, so of course that this happened to us.
Genuinely interesting question, possible that, in part, women enjoy having the upper hand over their male counterparts for the first time in cultural history.
Landon Morgan I don’t paint that picture at all, that’s an enormous leap from what I said. I was referring explicitly to the “don’t be alone in a room with a woman”. In this specific situation, the woman will be given the benefit of the doubt over a man. It’s like the accusation is enough, due course is given no credence at all in favour of consequences.
Oh it's not just women. Take a look at the employees on CNN! Don Lemon for example. It is a rare thing for him to say the truth and nothing but the truth the others who lick up the rest of the landscape trying to taste what he left behind.
A network named the "Con News Network" and most of them are men. Or at least a lot of them? If I watch anything from them it's usually that.
I like how this discussion feels like it's beginning to point towards getting to the bottom of problems, rather than failing to get anywhere at the basic things such as being able to mutually properly define terms without yelling at eachother.
"Every value system produces a hierarchy. So if you dispense with the hierarchy you dispense with the value system." Brilliant.
It's so refreshing to hear JP interviewed by someone who isn't trying to constantly attack him.
I'd have a hard time biting my tongue.
Listening to his interviews is so comforting, feels like there's still some sanity somewhere in this world.
@@jonathanvickers6379 😂...humans and their baseless hopefulness...
Keeping the door open is really good advice... you never know where the lies will hide. In these times, you're playing with fire to underestimate the potential for personal disaster.
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"You cant divorce sex from respect"
Refreshing to hear
You can’t ? Do you mean you shouldn’t?
@@mwatson5702 Shouldn’t because we can’t.
Christie is such a classy interviewer! She truly wants to hear his answers and engages brilliantly. 👌🤩
Dr. Jordan Peterson for PM!
He's a psychologist and a good one at that, but philosophizing and researching does not make one a leader. That's why I wouldn't vote for him.
Zayan Watchel he said that he wouldn‘t do it anyway because of the exact reasons. He isn‘t a politician
Zayan Watchel and what is a politician really? A word Smith, a bad descendant of sophistry that seek nothing but personal gain with no actual deep understanding of things in general and easily being controlled by the highest elite, if money is '' right''. Is this the person you seek to vote? I wouldn't.
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And when did I use the word "politician?" Never, I said leader. I don't want somebody who's better at politicking then leading to be the leader of my country. They need skill at both. Jordan has neither, he had never, to my knowledge, led an organization, dabbled in politics or anything a good politician _and leader_ does. He's a psychologist, this does not, and will never, make him a leader. He can teach, speak and research, true. But he has never demonstrated himself capable of leading. Full stop. This dogmatic view of Peterson as a messiah is weird to me, especially when you want him as your PM.
Zayan Watchel I wrote in general. I'm not saying JP is a leader or indeed he should become one. I'm only arguing that your idea of a leader is an wrong one. You see a leader in a politician or someone that lead an '' organisation'' or whatever that means. You mean a bank manager, a hedge fund executive?? Oh great, the last thing we want is to put in charge not only a rhetorician but also a bank manager. Let's jump from someone who's greedy to someone who produces greed :).
You know, the founders of philosophy argued that the leaders of a nation should be on the par with sages or be a sage. Let that sink in for a moment.
I love that the background set is full of Pierre Berton's books.
Congratulations National Post. Greater interviewer
it feels so good to watch and listen to a conversation between two intelligent people that are not out to get the other, but to exchange ideas on the basis of respect
Who's disliking these videos? "This man talks sense, I don't like it." Really?
Would have been interesting to be able to see it, like on facebook.
They don’t like anything he says cause they labeled him nazi
Réality ! Truth ! Thats they feat the most !! That all of the other are evil and its theyr fault !! Not mine !! How can we go on whith those histeric People !?
We all know who doesn't like it, he's speaking about them and they can't take the reality
Emotionally charge thinking feminists most likely.
This is one of the few interviews where the interviewer doesn't put words in JP's mouth. Typically, the interviewers put words in JP's mouth, which then results in JP repeating the same phrase for half the runtime, "No, that's not what I said."
lmaaoo so true 😂😂😂
How refreshing to come across an interviewer who actually lets an interviewee answer a question, without interrupting them. Andrew Neil et al, listen and learn!
I can already imagine the first civil claim for micro aggression. “He ruined my night out at the bar... I want $500”.
Agree. FYI My response to a charge of micro aggression in my behavior: an apology of micro (or better still, nano) proportions. Grow up, get a back bone and learn to live in a society where - heaven forbid - you might not be surrounded by a personal cheer squad.
Another example of micro aggressions is a society where sexist, demeaning comments exist everywhere: home, workplace, books, newspapers, television, politics, religion, etc.... These micro aggressions carry on for hundreds of years, leading up to a society where women are not treated with an equal amount of respect as men.
I can see how your example might be true too.
HAHAHAHAHA 500 ? try I want him imprisoned for life and 10,000,000.
@Mass acher You see, that's where we differ. Everyone has my respect to begin with, nobody has to earn it. Why would I treat a complete stranger with disrespect? They can however, do things to lose or diminish my respect, like you have just done.
Why can't we have more women Interviewers like this woman? She is absolutely brilliant!!!
old school of thought.
Wth has the gender got to do with it?
@@LisaMaryification Because the popular videos on YT are about Jordan vs feminism, where the interviewer is almost always a woman
.....and more men like Jordan Peterson!
because they have stopped hiring such people at TV Channels. THEY WON'T HIRE EVEN IF THEY COME ACROSS ONE
each time I listen to MR Peterson, I learn something new. thank you.
Oh wow... a conversation! AN ACTUAL CONVERSATION!! I remember these! When two people spoke without constantly trying to back each other into a corner or shout each other down. And all this between a man and a woman... extraordinary!!!! Off to try and find the full interview, this is so refreshing
Did you find it?
A conversation where he talks 90% of the time.. It's called an interview. Let's not pretend it's a conversation when a man lectures a woman and she listens most of the time.
“Never have a meeting with a woman with the door closed “ this is our progress in 2020 !!
What's next???
@@starpooper1681 What's next? these people making LAWS...
I was told this in the 90's as I worked military police.
Great comment.
So sandwich is ok.
And my mind cant stop saying: ”That book is more blue than purple”.....
Can I just say that the TV in the background was fantastically installed. Level, plump and flush. A sight to behold.
An intelligent conversation, great interviewing
I'd love to see more conversations like this.
Wow. Great interview. Finally something engaging and curious without the needless confrontational questions he usually gets. Well done!
Fascinating and valuable.
Mr. Jordan, sir, you're such a blessing to humanity! Thank you for everything you be and do! You're the modern day Marcus Aurelius.
Hoping Christie is doing well in her battle with Cancer. One of the few good ones.
🙏🏼
RIP :(
This is honestly one of the most captivating interviews I’ve ever seen. The interviewer was the epitome of a professional and, as always, Jordan Peterson did a fantastic job explaining the impetus for “sexual misconduct.”
Wow. This was great!
Great conversation
"Don't have a meeting with the door closed", if that does not scare you, you need to think about it again...
Could you elaborate for me? I'm trying to break it down but I dont feel as if I've gotten it completely. Is it because if the door is closed then one person can lie about something that happened and almost be validated just by the fact the door was shut rather than by presenting any imperial evidence to prove their claims??
@@jedr.3494 ding ding ding. Not to pick any sides here, there have been cases where such things have happened
Wizdom Werks agreed, as well it could create the feeling of being trapped. That feeling might increase someone’s awareness and read too much into the situation and perhaps even look for sexual advantages where there isn’t any.
Wizdom Werks partly but he’s also referring to the consequence rather than intent belief. So for instance, where consequence is believed over intent then manipulation of consequences are inevitable.
@@jedr.3494 empirical
Amazing Woman! She is actually opened to honest dialogue and thinking. Excellent interview.
Lol I keep seeing you comment on JP vids. Right on
Brilliant interview
Great video national post :]
beautiful interview. thanks for the discussion
Really really like the way the woman (and Petersen obviously) carry themselves in this discussion.
What a great interviewer. My favourite video 👍
The guy speaks for millions if not hundreds of millions of people who are not able to articulate the craziness going on in the world at the moment