What If Arthas Never Purged Stratholme? - World of Warcraft
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- What If Arthas Never Purged Stratholme? - World of Warcraft Lore
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![The Story of Stratholme - Part 1 of 2 [Lore] "Did Arthas do nothing wrong?"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bJOHQt3iKww/mqdefault.jpg)
Hey guys, noticed some of you pointing out things like, "then who would become the new lich king?" and "who would discover yogg saron" Like I said in the video, I do have a sequel planned for this that will cover all of those questions. The reason I didnt put part 1, is because even though there will be a sequel, it will not be named "What if Arthas Never Purged Stratholme Part 2" that question was covered entirely in this video. However, the events building off of this video will be explained in the following one.
Hey hellscream, have U seen tales of the past?
kaelthas was still around at this time
A simple "what if": what if Tyrande had chosen to fuck Illidan instead of Malfurion?
How the story should change?
+Gregory Carlin shut up u noob lord did u even play vanilla God I bet u didn't even know hunters had to buy ammo to fire their rage weapons u gay ass noob (from level 58 death knight)
Sylvannas. It will likely be her who becomes the Litch King's champion once Mal'Ganis turns his attentions towards Quel'Thalas.
The reason I believe this is that many times in the Lore it has been pointed out just how much Sylvannas is like Arthas, despite her extreme hate of him. From how desperately she fought to save her homeland to how she believes that the ends justify the means.
“He’s feeling the weight of the crown for the first time,” Uther said quietly. “He’s never had to
before. This is all part of it, my lady-part of learning how to rule wisely and well. I watched Terenas
struggle with the same thing, when he was a young man. Both good men, both wanting to do the right
things for their people. To keep them safe and happy.” His eyes were thoughtful as he watched Arthas
fade into the distance. “But sometimes the only decision is which is the lesser evil. Sometimes there’s no
way to fix everything. Arthas is learning that.”
What if Hellscream was a shitty channel? Then he'd be called TheWarcraftBible
savage af, lol
ahahahahahha , fuck i hate that intro, it gives me cancer
O_O
zero chill
What do you call a Warcraft lore channel that gives you cancer? TheWarcraftBible
Here's an idea for a what if, "What if Arthas listened to Muradin's Warning About Frostmourne?"
Arthas kills Mal'Ganis with his hammer and one of two things happens.
- He doesn't find out about the Lich King and leaves, allowing the Scourge to try again someday
- He DOES find out about the Lich King and assaults Azjol-Nerub and fights Anub'Arak for control of Icecrown Glacier.
If victorious, he ascends the Frozen Throne and destroys the Lich King.
He gets overrun by the Scourge, remember that Mal'ganis forces are not the only one there, millions of undeads searving The Lich King would easilly have steamrolled over Arthas punny resistance.
Northrend is Undead capital, Ner'zhul allowed Arthas to win, so he could be corrupted.
And in the end he could be revived as undead and do everything again the same. But I guess it would not have the psychological effect of him taking the blade with his free will.
Actually, scratch my comment, MrFantocan is entirely right.
Arthas would kill Mal'Ganis - since the LK doesn't want him there anyhow - and then get steamrolled.
@@MrFantocan The Light, the Light would return and aid him again.
@@Aedrion- there has be a lich king
Trade Prince Gallywix should have been warchief
No
pimp my horde
Shini money can fix those defects
I think Gallywix would destroy the horde!
Gallywix is the only one who can save us from the Legion
what if Tyrande chose Illidan over Malfurion
Maybe Malfurion would be the final boss in Black Temple.
He doesn't need to be a demon hunter to be the final boss in Black Temple, let's say he would've turned into some kind of corrupted druid (maybe a druid of the flame or smthng along those lines) as powerful as Illidan is.
maybe like all the night elves would have split up between those who follow malfurio/nature or whatever and those who were loyal to tyrande and wanted power like illidan.
Really guys. Maybe Illidan didn't handle being heart broken very well. But I don't think Malfurion have to be a flamming druid, a demon hunter, a final boss, corrupted druid or split up a nation just because he got dumped.
Malfurion may have actually become a half decent character
Honestly Arthas made the most practical decision in Stratholme if Jaina or Uther actually gave an alternative things wouldn't have gotten so out of hand.
They didn't give an alternative because there was no alternative.
A lovely hypothetical story. As I played the WCIII human campaign, I always felt bad for Arthas to fall into darkness. I totally agree that Arthas' decision to pursue his personal desire for vengeance marked a huge turning point in WC III history. Great work and hope to see more of these hypothetical scenarios!
Arthas is one of my favorite characters from Warcraft and I really liked seeing the other side of what could of been. Feels like you really put a lot of work into this. Nice job!
Most impressive. I disagree, however, that it was the culling of Strathholme that damned Arthas. He had a number of chances to turn away from the darkness, even in the cold embrace of Northrend. In my opinion Strathoholme destruction was the prudent thing to do, although harsh and brutal. With the vast population of Strathholme under his command Mal'ganis would have been unstoppable. I doubt it, that even with the help of the Silver Hand order, Lordaeron would have been able to stop the Scourge, which already had considerable standing forces, now bolstered by the citizens of Strathholme. And at the same time to prepare an expedition to Kalimdor, with the necessary for the task military contingent. Besides - how a champion of the Light, could just stand and watch as his own people are being damned for an eternity of suffering and turn his back on them. By slaying them, Arthas have actually done them a favor. Arthas's madness comes from his over-consuming desire to kill Mal'Ganis. Muradin Bronzebeard was the last chance the Light gave him to return to the Light. If he have took this chance, even then the outcome would have been very different. By destroying Strathholme and even taking the battle to the Scourge, Arthas have gave the undead a pause, that on the other hand gave Jaina time to rally her forces and leave for Kalimdor. If he has stopped after meeting with Muradin, well, thing might have been different. The other thing that still puzzles me though, is why Medivh did not tell everyone, that he is in fact Medivh, The Last Guardian, the embodiment of the full power of the Tirisfall Council. Hard to ignore an advice, coming from one such as him. And even if Medivh didn't want to reveal his identity, its not like he was trying to hide it somehow. He was wearing the same robes he did as a Guardian, looked the same way, and was carrying the Staff of the Guardian. How comes that noone, even Antonidas, was unable to recognize him. Sure it have been few decades, but its not like Kirin'Tor or Antonidas have forgot how the Guardian have looked like.
Warcraft 3 lore. Was the idea of Medivh being the Last Guardian established in WC1, 2 or 3? If not, then the regalia is meaninless. As far as I remeber, everyone just calls him "The Prophet" wich ain't very helpfull.
Because Medivh was dead and no one would have believed him, even if he was a guardian of tirisfal.
I agree. I hardly see the act of purging Stratholme an act of evil. For all the justifications for it was warranteed and were for a rightous cause. Only after it proceeded did his want for vengence overwhelm him and even then, i dont think that was is a warranted thing that brought him off the light's path. (Paladin's get a number of skills and talents that are based on the act of vengence/retribution and used to even have an aura).
If anything, the actual act of purging was actually the best thing to come out of that in the long run. And was the more ideal decision though grim. The harsh judgement needed to be made after confirming thier doomed fate.
I agree on what you say but i think way before stratholme arthas was damned. For me the turning point of events was invincible's death. He gave an oath that day he couldn't keep: "if anyone else ever needed protection-that if sacrifices had to be made for the welfare of others-he would do it." . Because of this vow he would purge stratholme no matter what. It was just a sacrifice for the welfare of others, a hard one yes but it was what he must do. Btw the quote is from Arthas: Rise of the Lich King.
well for one the only guardian left to the public was Medivh's apprentice Khadgar and he was int really a guardian. Besides that during the fighting with Malganous in the game you notice Arthas change especially the dialogue gets a lot darker. When hes walking through the streets killing people BEFORE they are undead it was a act not out of protecting the innocent but to slay the undead he was no longer guarding his home he was hunting his foe. And about the last chance with Muradin in the actuall fight they talk about the swords power being the only way to stop the undead from overrunning them.
Holy shit that is a fantastic idea for a video. When i saw the title i was like....holy shit i need to watch
Ok now, was nerzul the lich king before arthas or somthing? Also make a video about "What if Gul'dan was never evil"
+Leeroy Jenkins nerzul is the Lichking armour. he got turned into it as punishment for betraying sargeras or how ever you spell it.
Yea. As punishment for opposing the Legion, Nerzhul was ripped apart in front of the Dark Portal I believe, and his soul was trapped within the Crown of Domination, and Frostmourne and his armor were shot into Azeroth and he landed in Northrend. Then he shot Frostmourne out of the ice encasing him and blah blah blah events of WCIII. Pretty sure that's it, I'm a bit rusty on lore though.
+Antigon Gonat I was looking for someone to ask about this to be honest. I've read the novel Rise of The Lich King and obviously there's a section about the image in Arthas's mind where he strikes down the child and the old orc (his humanity and Nerzhul). I took it from this that the Lich King was simply Arthas and no one else - but then I thought, this isn't right. There's a quest with the Alliance, when you start in Northrend, where you inhald incense and do a spirit walk, you encounter the Lich King and he clearly says "I was once a shaman" - which was obviously from Nerzhul speaking as Arthas was never a shaman. Secondly, Arthas' mind was completely dominated by Nerzhul before they even fused together - the psychic attacks when Nerzhul was calling him back to throne in desperation due to the cracks. Thirdly, Nerzhul had already started chipping away at Arthas before he even took up Frostmourne, causing him to abandon his discipline and subsequently, why the light faded from him.
I know Arthas did not have the mental discipline to avoid/resist Nerzhul's influence, this is one of the reasons he was chosen; Arthas would never be able to overthrow Nerzhul when they fused. I think this was the only thing in the book that wasn't quite right. Maybe Nerzhul allowed Arthas to think he was in control, I suppose that is a possibility.
But I was interested to see what you think? I don't believe Nerzhul ceased to exist, I believe it was a fusion of the two, Arthas' body and memories, with Nerzhul's cunning, intellect and ambition.
Antigon Gonat Yes to be fair I think my phrasing on the second comment was not accurate! What I meant was Ner'zhul has taken this knight of the Silver Hand, warrior and wielder of the light and caused him to choose unspeakable acts. I think Ner'zhul had greater control over him once he seized Frostmourne, definitely and utterly. But just before Arthas grabs Frostmourne, he starts having doubts and the Light tries one last time to offer him redemption when Muradin is killed by the exploding ice; then its clear Ner'zhul takes back the reigns by reminding him of vengeance and Arthas immediately forgets about everything - this is the period I'm talking about. The light gradually fades away from him with every poor decision he makes. The culling at Stratholme and exiling Uther from service should have shocked a rational mind but his did not flinch; years of training and meditation should have instilled on him that vengeance is not the path of a Paladin - for these reasons I think Ner'zhul had a much deeper grasp on Arthas' mind - not completely, but close to it. Ner'zhul would have been subtle until the time was perfect. Like you said, those feelings with Jaina lingered but I like to think that he was able to push them aside due to Ner'zhul's presence.
When they fused though, I still think the Helm of Domination only had power due to Ner'zhul's soul and it continues to do so. I don't think Arthas could wield that power alone, especially when his mind is so easily influenced by the above. And when Arthas is slain, there's a glimmer of his humanity as he regards his father and embraces him - Ner'zhul finally released his grasp on him, as all other minions of his often say "free...at last", "i see only darkness..." etc. Yet the Helm of Domination still shines with power - Ner'zhul's presence, and when it fuses with Bolvar Fordragon, it's clearly Ner'zhul fusing with him - so Arthas definitely doesn't destroy him. I think this was a mistake in the book or at most, Ner'zhul letting Arthas think he's in control so he let's go of everything else.
Now Bolvar on the other hand, is where it gets interesting! The Lich King couldn't break him - at all. BUT... and this is a big but, what if Ner'zhul let go of Arthas at the last second to focus on Bolvar and convince him to pick up the mantle of Jailor of the Damned? I like to think Bolvar's will was of his own when he nominated himself, but he was very persistant of it and orders Tirion.
Spoiler Alert - I don't know if you've seen much of the Legion Beta, but the 'new' Lich King is working with the Knights of the Ebon Blade, could this be a long-term plan or is it Bolvar working with Ner'zhul to defeat a common enemy - The Legion?
i think arthas made the right decision
His choice was to wipe out a group of people, or leave them to die horribly from disease and the teeth of their former neibours.
I agree with you.
However his reason for doing it was what was in the wrong. He didn't kill them for Mercy or the greater good, he did it through wounded pride and an attempt to 'punish' those who attacked his kingdom. It was this that made him fall, not the killing itself.
+Thomas Mack I think at that point he was still doing it for people. I think he started to do it for himself at northren.
You need to remember that this whole plan was conducted by Nerzhul long before Arthas was even on this path. He'd chosen Arthas as his champion, as revealed by Kel'Thuzzard. Each stage of this campaign was designed to take Arthas away from the light one step at a time, prodding at his pride and need for vengeance. Each step provided Arthas with a problem, and then a solution - each solution being more terrible than the last. I'd recommend reading the book Arthas: The Rise of the Lich King if you can, it's got some good insights into what happens inside Arthas' head, although it does feel rushed from time to time.
It seems right but it was dark...and it did currupt his soul
Arthas did nothing wrong.
What if Jaina joined Arthas in the culling of Strathholme
+Krashes Haha xD
then she would be his bitch in death valkyr maybe
one of the warcraft producers said in a interview that if jaina would have stayed at arthas side he would have never went to northrend after malganis even after strathholme
nice thought
Lich Queen?
What if blizzard never implanted garrisons?
we would be social and broke
What if blizzard gave us back old naxx?
+russia4lyfe We would have neckbeards
they would still have 12 mil subs
no. the garrisons are not the reason we number of people playing dropped. It was due to the lack of any content.... and patch 6.1
Arthas's story is one of the greatest in Warcraft, this is truly an awesome alternate story but its also incredibly sad knowing what arthas could/would have become and had in his life had he resisted Frostmourne and The Lich King.
What if WoW had not been forged? Would lives have been saved?
Perhaps.
That’s why Final Fantasy XIV exists, it’s like WOW but better in every way.
the purge of stratholme was not a bad thing if you ask me. the people were already infected there was nothing arthas could do. and then going to northrend to kill malganis and the rest of the undead was also a great thing to do. The only mistake he made was taking frostmourne and using it to destroy malganis.
well he did kinda just say lets march into stratholm and start killing all the civilians before they change....... kinda hard for a warrior of the light to go with that.
but they were going to turn and work for malganis for eternity, he even says that he prefers to see he's people death at he's own hand than to see them work for malganis as undead acolytes. and i kinda agree
While what you say is true, it BECAUSE Arthas committed those actions that he picked up frostmourne in the end. He took it as a weapon to destroy evil, he wanted power no matter the cost. You could almost compare it to Illidan. He "becomes" a demon in order to wield the same power they do to destroy them.
What I'm trying to say is that Artha's actions only proved he was brash, arrogant, and wanted to do whatever he could to save his people, but in the end that meant his downfall. By the time he even thought about using Frostmourse it was already too late, he had been warned by Murradin(?) not to use it, yet he did anyway, just the same as how he had ignored the counsel of many of his friends/advisors.
Him not picking up Frostmourne would have been as unlikely as him actually doing what he did in this video since it goes against his entire character. Sad but true.
Also, that's one reason the Light left him, because he mercilessly killed his own people, regardless of whether or not it was correct the Naaru/Light didn't like that decision, and it is also this lack of Light that allowed him to be so corrupted into touching Frostmourne (if he had truly had the guidance and protection of the Light he probably would have been able to tell the evil within Frostmourne).
Not really. He didn't need to burn the ships
True. He was aways a hot head, since the first missions at least. Maybe if he came back things would go diferently but I doubt him and Terenas would agree going to Kalimdor. They most likely would die in Lordaeron facing undead and demons.
Oh god yes! Do more of these videos, look up the stupendous wave, he does the same thing. But with Star Wars.
He's the one who sparked up this idea for me! He's an awesome youtuber
+Hellscream I got one What if idea. What if...illidan stormrage never absorbed the power of skull of Gul'dan or what if Garrosh never went to alternate Draenor
+Hellscream hmm you can do next what if Sargeras have been never corrupted. That will be cool :D or what if we never kil thunder king.
+Hellscream Indeed
Stupendous Wave's awesome and I'm really happy we're getting a WoW kind of series resembling his own 😊
What if Thrall would have named Cairne as Warchief instead of Garrosh after the Cataclysm? I mean he was a wellseasoned warrior, wiser than anyone else in the horde, honorable, loved by his people and well respected through the Horde
Yep. Thrall's biggest mistake. He knew Garrosh wasn't suited for it, but he picked him anyway simply because he was an Orc. Cairne would have been so much better for the Horde.
I think it was something along the lines of his next challenge to take up leadership of the horde and hopefully grow to the person his father was.
I hardly believe Garrosh will listen to any other non-Orc Warchiefs. He will still gets his army somewhere else, goes to Pandaria and takes the heart despite not being a Warchief. The Warsong has been aggressive to alliance since vanilla, so it doesn't stop the PvP contents. Problem being that Garrosh wouldn't bomb Theramore as he is not Warchief and can't order the blood elves. Lorthmar can leave the Horde whenever he wants, elves like being conservative and he always wanted to. Sylvanas would probably get outcast by the Horde for what she've been doing in the east and what the forsaken has done during WotLK. So at the end, we may maintain a healthy relationship with Alliance and other factions, but destroyed ourselves internally.
+Edward Tan Actually i think Slyvanus wouldn't she is kinda the most stray from the pack but shes doing whats best for her people thats all shes ever done.... Except the arthus stuff that was revenge at its core.
I think Cairne would have been deceived and sabotaged by the twilight council as well as manipulated by whispers from the old Gods who have been influencing and twisting the minds of key characters in Azeroth for hundreds/thousands of years. Garrosh was an unfortunate victim to this and it's very possible that anyone else that would have been put in his place would have been as well.
I think you risk with that divine intervention. It sometimes happens and sometimes not. Without it, it is possible that Arthas would have died in regular battle.
What if Garrosh didnt go crazy in MoP? Or more specifically didnt succumb to the influence of Y'Shaarj.
He didnt succumb to Y'Shaarj he was in complete control the who time.The only the he succumbed to was blizz wanting to write him out.
Yea i guess even without the power he gained from the heart he was still a power hungry madman.
maybe a better question would be what if Thrall didnt step down as warchief. Or didnt pick Garrosh to take his place.
+Jesse Of DOOM honestly, I've always suspected the old gods influenced him in some way. it's true here was always hot-headed and brash however garrosh was honourable to a fault until theramore.
Sean Gannon i second that idea. As powerful as the old gods are this is no way that he a normal orc from draenor could resist their influence. That being said i think influenced is the best choice of phrasing with what we are given as evidence at least. Spot on mate.
What if Orgrim did not spare Gul'dan.
maybe the horde never would have been. he did so cus he knew the alliance had mages and without guldans aid they woulda been trounced.
That's a good one, but a very, very long one too.
no dks with wands
What if Sargeras never went crazy?
the Horde would conquer everything. and then the legion would congratulate them and burn it all to a husk. sending them to another world . ( if they decided to use them again )
Blizz should have shown us an AU where Arthas was still on the good side.
Hellscream has effectively written an AU fanfiction. I dig it.
what if gnomes have finally gotten their city before cata and actually do something
IF he didn't purge stratholme we wouldn't have the best villain in WoW
Illidan >Aurthus > Hellscream > everything else
+BeatsNGames Production nah
+BeatsNGames Production
Aurthus? atleast spell the name right
Illidan is not even a actual villian.
rdogg114 He is a anti-hero
This was amazing. It gave me chills to think what repercussions would happen if Arthas had never purged Stratholme.
What if Velen would have joined Sargeras instead of Kil'Jeaden and Archimonde?
maybe the orcs didn't happen?
My version. Sargeras would be surprised that the will of Kil'jaeden and Archimonde stood strong but he would not give up on the Eredar. He would show Velen and his people what power he holds and can share with them and they would accept. Corrupted with power, Velen would at first try to persuade Archimonde and Kil'jaeden, show them what power they have recieved. But Archimonde and Kil would see what the power had done to them, Velen could not sway them with the evil-tainted powers.
Without any hope to persuade them, it would turn to violence. The corrupted Eredar would attack Archimonde and Kil'jaeden but this time it would not be one sided. Archimonde & Kil having more people behind them would rally their forces and a civil war between the corrupted Velen and Archimonde & Kil's forces would begin. Velen's forces would be outnumbered but having Sargeras's power they would not be defeated easily. A war would rage out for tens or maybe hundreds of years on the planet Argus.
What if he had actually joined them and the 3 most powerful Eredar would've commanded the legion? Not sure Azeroth would still stand^^
+Kirigaya Kolopit Or if it was a WOW expansion, they'd get it settled in 2-3 years.
Azeroth would've been fucked.
There would be no Wrath of the Lich King then
+Wow Jedi Yeah that too
maybe that expac would have just been about ulduar and malygos only.
+COPPERHEAD AD Don't look so smug! I know what you're thinking, but Angrathar was merely a set back.
actually there would but it will have someone else instead of Arthus
maybe kelthuzad
what if arthas was never able to gain the urne to transport kel'thuzad savley to silvermoon and s neer resurecting kel'thuzad'
+AlexadoFeel ye. will still don't know where it is right now. there are also still saylan?(not sure what the vampire elves were called) out there. we only killed a few. the one that was there during the resurrection of Argul has never been seen in northrend. they may bring KT back
+AlexadoFeel
He wasn't Lich at that point, so no phylactery for him.
I read the Lich King book, and ended crying so bad. Arthas' vengeance drew him into the culling, into Northrend, into Frostmourne and into Lordaeron's fall, and honestly, this alternante final would have been so beautiful. Arthas would have been such a noble king with Jaina by his side and a lot of innocent lives such as Uther or Terenas' would have been spared. But, he succumbed to Ner'zhul's call and destroyed everything & everyone... such a tragic story.
Stratholme never purged?! I love historic timeline changes ideas/thoughts put into a video. I saw the video in my Recommended list and was like... "Yo, I got to watch this!". Good stuff! I cannot wait until the next video in relation to this.
My Idea: What if Night elfs seen that Illidan sacrificed everything to save them?
And maybe the biggest What If: What if Sargeras and other Titans found common way to protect universe from Voidlords.
Honestly, I like the idea of theory crafting but I feel that you did not capture the personas of the characters very well. I could see Arthas being swayed to stay his wrath at stratholme by Uther but not willingly. I can not see Arthas willing to let his kingdom fall to the undead at all. I think you have to assume that if he were swayed by Uther, that he may well have survived till Jaina returned, but when Jaina returned, she would have returned as a vanguard to an army. Both the Kirin Tor would have mobilized as well as the human kingdoms informed. Aided with portals supplied by the Kirin Tor, I am sure a sizable force would have been dispatched rapidly to Arthas and the undead would have been contained. Perhaps even destroyed along with the dreadlord (being unable to retreat due to magical interference if he lingered too long). If Arthas had been persuaded to hold off, it would have meant only one of three possible outcomes. The one described above where the alliance forces rallied to face this threat. Option two is that they do not rally, or they drag their feet which seems to be the most likely and Arthas would have to stand alone with what few forces he had. As such, by the time help reached him, Arthas and his men would have been killed by the undead. Option 3, Jaina manages to return but can only save Arthas and a dozen or so men and the rest are left behind to die - and you can make them say something heroic or what not before Arthas left or not but at that point, who cares?
As for the fact that you have totally misrepresented every other leader and group when Arthas returned, is kind of silly. An army of 25,000 from stratholme is not enough to convince anybody to abandon an entire continent where there are massive amounts of armies. You have the dwarf army, the gnomes, the humans and the elves (although the elves were persecuted heavily around this timeline and I am sure they would have been looking to their own borders). Now the mages were arrogant and stuck up, they believed wholeheartedly in their own superiority and power. There is no chance that they would imagine forsaking their lands to some pesky plague in the north and in all honesty, the horror that appears throughout Azeroth shows how true this really is. In theory the undead are stopped in their tracks until Arthas returned to lead them and even then, he basically gave the undead Lordaeron on a silver platter. He betrayed his people, used his unique knowledge and expertise to lead the undead to destroy his homeland. If he had held the course and Jaina had not abandoned him and Uther had not been ordered to take his knights and disappear and he had called in help from the other alliance races, the undead threat would have been minimal. You forget that the undead were not the threat that Medivh was warning about - it was the returning of the demons. Granted that the dreadlords were in charge of the plague and undead but on the other hand, they were but a small part and were considered a failure despite everything.
The concept of abandoning the entire continent because of something as small as that is somewhat ridiculous. The most I can imagine Arthas doing, would be setting up an expedition to the west merely as a precautionary tale. "Father, a prophet approached me and warned me of a great evil. He urged me to abandon my land and travel west to the shores of a place called Kalimdor. However I will not forsake my homeland. However sending an expedition to the west to find this Kalimdor may be prudent, a safe haven should there be something to this doomsday prophecy. We could relocate the villages in the path of this undead plague and protect our people." I could imagine something along those lines. He gets to expand his borders, protect his people, not forsake his homeland and above all else, fight his war. It fits the character of Arthas and the King, I think Jaina and the other kingdoms of man would help (although much of it would not be required). I bet just the aid of the Order of the Silver hand (paladins), the mages of Dalaran and the standing forces of Lordaeron would be more than a match for the undead, considering the proximity to the Elf cities to stratholme, they would not sit idly by regardless of the state of affairs with the humans. The lands surrounding Stratholme also had a host of Trolls that were conquered by an army lead by the Deathknight Arthas. So they would also be a standing force against the undead, I doubt they would win but they would buy the time needed for the alliance to rally. Also, the dwarfs to the North would have been there to help the moment they heard. They are fierce warriors and loyal to the alliance. I am sure Jaina could have even gone to her father and got a vast fleet from Admiral Proudmoore. 25,000 undead could easily have swelled to well over double that by raising graveyards but still with the combined forces of two of the great powers in the alliance (elf and man), they would have been outmatched 10 to one. Then you add all the extra forces like the forces of dalaran or the paladin orders or the dwarfs or the possibility of the alliance fleet and you know that the undead forces would have been crushed. That said, afterwards, the welcoming lands of Kalimdor, a safe haven from the coming storm would probably have been a place where the alliance would have traveled to expand their territories, not for safety but more land which would have led to a more interesting dynamic of Kalimdor. Think about how the Tauren or the Orcs would have been able to set up there, or if the trolls would have been anything more than a footnote in history as the alliance fleets swept across the lands. Would the orcs have had a place to settle or would they have been routed. I would imagine they would have run down to Ferelas. Would the Tauren be hunted down or would they have stood a chance against the alliance? Would they have joined the alliance? The ripple effect I guess, the entire universe would become unrecognizable if Arthas had not walked down his path. There are very few characters as important as Arthas in the story.
Great what if scenario! I think that though I would've preferred Arthas in the story to be able to save himself, I believe the overall story of Warcraft benefited from him falling to the Lich King.
dude i did not expect an entire lore story about it. well done mate
What if Saurfang the younger had survived northrend? Thrall does state in the sundering novel that he wanted to make Saurfang the new warchief, not Garrosh, and that his father was too old to take the title (which frankly was just bullshit from Blizzard, considering Saurfang the older is close to the greatest hero the horde has had since the launch of wow....)
Alternatively: What if Cairne had killed Garrosh in the mag'gorah?
Well thatamore would have still been on the map and jaina would be less badass but cool nonetheless
What if all of the Aspects died during the War of the Ancients?
what if varian never died...
there wouldn't be a world to fight for
Literal zombies apocalypse and people who against Arthas' idea would be killing zombies, while Arthas drinks from a tall glass of 'I told you so!'.
Now I want to see "What if Uther helped his future king purge Stratholme"
You know who else put his faith into the Light even in the most dire circumstances, to the very end? Tirion. The Light sucks.
Tyrion only failed because he was still wearing ICC Heroic gear XD
To Nomad Bruuuuuh. Almost fell off my chair. lol.
That reminds me of those retarded statements like "if god exists, why does he let people suffer?". You're really dumb.
Wasn't the Argent Crusade there with him as well? Plus I think he was assuming it was a small invasion force, Not an entire army.
Totally agree that's a retarded statement, but its even more retarded to actually believe in God.
Arthas, you can't just arthas. Damn it Arthas! I must Arthas!
4:16 i dont know why, but tears suddenly begins to fall down man. Arthas is really my favorite, then and still is.
Purging Strathholme was the only way to make sure that Nerzhul and the Legion does not win. It is the fact that Arthas picked up Frostmourne that he became evil. Wow developers themselves said that if Jaina stayed with Arthas, Arthas wouldn’t have turned even if he took Frostmourne.
Arthas did nothing wrong
Banning the Silver Hand was wrong, taking his man to a suicide mission in Northrend was wrong, destroying the ships so his people could die with him was wrong, killing the mercenaries he hired was wrong...
And most of all: stealing Kael's girlfriend was MegaWrong.
@@MrFantocan who said jaina was kael Girl friend jaina told kael was intimidating not attractive
Such actions comes with a terrible price
It's an interesting analysis, and I think it's correct on many aspects... but I have to disagree on one point. Namely, about the Light enveloping Arthas as he and Uther fight undead from Startholme. Light isn't a concious being, isn't a God. It's cannot chose to suddenly empower somebody because they followed it's teachings. Light is a force, although granted, a benevolent one, which paladins and priest can work together with through their faith and willpower.
The reason why the Light stopped responding to Arthas' call during Culling and later in Northrend was because he himself was confliced about what he was doing. And how couldn't he? He was killing his subjects, his fellow men, women, children and elderly. Even if he was convinced that what he was doing was right, that he was sparing them from a terrible fate, his heart must have been breaking. Not to mential what kind of mental thrauma this must have caused, which I believe later helped Lich King turn him into his champion (stealing his soul just caused him to lose ability to feel emotions such as pity and so on, Lich King also twisted his view on many matters and so on, when he killed his father he thought he was doing him favor, and turning his subjects into undead made them better, but all that is another matter). He wasn't able to call upon the Light after Stratholme, not until Muradin was about to die, because only then his mind and heart could focus.
And if you want a prove, let me ask you this: if the Light would grant it's power to those who follow it's teachings, it would be impossible for any paladin to turn evil, right? Well, remember the Scarlet Crusade? They could still call upon the Light, as they believed what they were doing was right, and that conviction let them tap to its powers. And if you want to argue that they were mostly fighting Forsaken, which in some regards could be considered good or at least justified, there's Renault Morgraine, who killed his own father and still could use his paladin abilities.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying this means all the other things that you talked about couldn't happen. It could still be possible for Arthas and Uther to survive long enough against the undead, even all those 25k that lived in there. But it is also possible that both of them would die or they would retreat and the undead would go on a rampage across Lordaeron. Which I don't think would be as disastrous as if things would turn out the way they actually did, but as Medivh had said, the land would fall.
Am I crazy or was sally whitenane was able to use the light after becoming a death knight ?
I truly love that the lore is so thick that people can think around the events, and what might have happened should they change. Good job. Loved it. In not so many words, it seems Illidan would be entirely unnecessary in this, and Arthas would become the champion of the Light that we so desperately need.
Big up yourself for this video. This is a great "What If" or "Elseworld" story for Warcraft.
This theory proves that us Fans should be more involved in making these games.
Thanks for this video man.
I just realized.....
lok'tar o'gar rhymes with allahu Akbar. orcs did 9/11 confirm???
nah
And that also rhymes with "Hakuna matata". Boars and meerkats did 911 confirm????
It doesn't even rhyme you moron
It is a religion of peace, you`re thinking about the extremists which are actually not muslim...at all.
Allahorde akbar
Now what if for illidan, its only fair
I think the sacking of Stratholme could become one of the most epic and sad moments in a movie. It was sad and epic to do in wc3 back in the time. But the story of a prince, devoted to save his people to do all, even killing them. Most likely will keep people speechless-
Very nice, I´d say one of the best "what if" videos, not too much speculation, not too much made up drama, good and sound reasoning, supported by valid arguments... well done!
What if the orcs never drinked Mannoroth's blood? Oh, wait...
If that never happened we wouldn't have the shithole that was warlords
I think without Garrosh the scenario would be very different.
If they never we would of never had the orcs come to azeroth so the Ally races would either rule azeroth of most of the races would be peaceful as tauren are peaceful, goblins only want money, belfs would either be civil or have joined the allies, trolls probs would of done their own thing and same for the undead race.
Well if they would not drink the blood of manorath then they could have lost the war against the drenie and if they lost the war then thrall would never be born and he could not save us in cata and there was no horde to help fight the legion so azoreth would have been destroyed
Without the demon blood, they wouldn't have started the war. XD
Also Yogg'sauron would be free in his prison without any threat to him
that is true
Yogg'sauron? Is that when Yogg'saron and The Dark Lord Sauron did a fusion and became the all powerful lord of the faceless and the forces of Mordor?
Nope, Dragonflights would still be around on Northrend and would've warned us/dealt with the problem.
What if Loken never fell to corruption. Seems interesting, but a challenging one. Btw thumbs up for the artwork made by you, it really felt good seeing what we're imagining appearing right in front of our eyes.
This is truly the best case scenario lol, but it does sound lore worthy to me. Very well put together!
What if we killed Garrosh at the end of Siege
Alas, a better world it would be.
legion would have happened anyway, because they had nothing to do with legion.
There would be a tiny little problem with Legion...Gul'dan wouldn't be in our timeline >_>
oh, that is true my bad
Here's a better one:
What if Grom never died, but rather just got disabled so he could never truly fight another battle?
Ever since I watched Gul'dan's backstory I've been wondering. What if Gul'dan was accepted by the elements?
^ amazing idea... i would love that as a vid!
He'd rejoin his clan with something to other, they'd begrudgingly accept him and soon his weak past would be forgiven, he'd become another wise shaman, if not a little antisocial. I seriously doubt he'd try to destroy his clan using the elements. The burning Legion unable to find a harbinger would instead revert to their original tactic and launch another full scale attack on Draenor in an attempt to kill the Draenei who lived peacefully alongside the Orcs before Gul'dan messed things up. The Orcs and the Draenei would likely band together in an attempt to fight away the Burning Legion before realising the battle was hopeless and then resorting to escaping the Burning Legion using the Exodar, this time with as many of the remaining Orcs as possible amongst their ranks.
In otherwords, the Orcs would never invade Azeroth, the Alliance would never had been formed, the third war wouldn't yet have occurred, the plague would of never had spread to Azeroth and the Night Elves would remain an immortal isolationist neutral faction, whereas the Orcs and the Draenei would try to survive in southern Kalimdor, now allies due their heavy losses and common enemy. Perhaps Valen, realising that the Burning Legion would try to invade Azeroth now, would try and contact all of Azeroth's races, to form a super alliance to deal with the next Burning Legion invasion, the Night Elves having been witness to this would consider such an alliance and would decide it worthwhile, the humans and other Eastern Kingdom races, realising their own ignorance, but also not bearing firsthand witness to the destructive power of the Burning Legion may also take on a low commitment role in this new Alliance.
The Horde would never come to be, undeath would never be a thing and the Burning Legion would not stand a chance against Azeroth. However, Medivh would still be corrupted and in due time Sagareas would find a way to sow discord amongst Azeroth's races, perhaps making it weaker than it is now.
Jeez, I can't say I would prefer it this way, but there's actually some pretty good feel good moments in there.
Great story!
However the light didn't abbandon Arthas exactly because he had slain his people and started to become "evil", it abbandoned him because he was growing insecure of his cause. The light doesn't exactly distinguish between good and bad intentions, instead it responds to the devotion to one's cause, that's why one of the 4 horsemen used to use the light even as a undead servant of Kel'Thuzad :)
And maybw that's also why forsaken can be priests
Perhaps this detail will come handy for the next video, nice job man!
I could listen to you talk about warcraft all day long
I could watch yours and Hellscream's videos all day long.
Blizzard should do a what if animation "dream sequence" if Arthus did exactly what you said in this video.
Sweet Jesus, may I just say; I absolutely LOVE YOUR WRITING! Every bit of dialogue and lore-poiints you brought up not only sonded, but FELT authentic and usable in a novel, or in-game event. Absolutely fantastic work Hellscream. I hope to see more videos like this, as it was most indeed a tasty treat to subscribing to your channel. Extreme respect goes to you, good sir!
I was expecting just a theory sort of thing, but the storytelling in this video was crazy good along with the image. Well done! (Sorry if my English isn't good it's not my first language)
This was most welcome video! Thanks!
Very good material, please keep on producing more. :]
What if Dranosh had Survived?
Yep, I had this one planned out already. Will definitely do this one
What if Broxigar killed Sarjeras
I see what you did there. xD
+Gnomepunter Gaming Legion falls
+Gnomepunter Gaming What if Broxigar survived ANDMkilled Sargeras
The captain who always accompanied him was Falric? I never knew that!
I am legit impressed by this video, good job Hellscream. Good story
what is Warcraft never happened? what would happen then?
Many lives would be lived.
Then TheWarcraftBible would never have ripped off everything or even existed, Hellscream, Nixxiom, Nobbel, famous Warcraft UA-camrs would have never probably grown in popularity, staying like the rest of us. Blizzard would have worked more on StarCraft and Diablo, and Guild Wars would take Warcraft's place.
many money not waste
*shudder* 2spooky
It is everyone's civic duty to purge!
thank you for doing your part for the purge
This is written so well that I forgot it wasn't real
A topic that is horrible difficult to handle and you still impressed me enough that I subscribed. I look forward to the new content!
TLDR:
Everything in WoW could have been fixed by thinking for a second rather than murdering everyone.
what if Sargeras had never been corrupted? would the legion be as big a threat as they are without Sargeras' command?
the legion simply would not exist.
Sargeras was never corrupted.. He was just missunderstood and realised that Pantheon would only cross his paths in cleaning galaxy from demons/old gods etc.
Well, seeing how Sargeras going bad was one of the first things in the history of Warcraft as a whole to ever happen, it'd change everything completely. The Burning Legion would have never been formed, because Sargeras created the Legion by releasing all demons he had imprisoned on the condition that they served him.
And, you know; the Legion is a very big factor in Warcraft lore. Without it, most things in Warcraft and WoW wouldn't have happened.
+Bryeson Smith no. What you just stated is old. Chronicles confirms that Sargeras was shocked by the discovery of the Old Gods to a point where he had to take the most drastic measures to stop them - free the legion to become a powerful army and eliminate the Pantheon as they would not support him and would kill off the legion.
well seeing how he created the Legion, no it would not be as powerful or a thing at all really. I don't mean to be a dick but is this really even a question? he would have never gone to argas, he never would have recruited archimonde/kiljaden, warcraft 1 wouldn't have happened. the stories we know wouldn't have happened.
fantastic development of dialogue! it was really captivating lol. great job :)
I was legitimately disappointed that it ended when it did. Perhaps a follow up would be appropriate? I would love to hear more of this alternate time line.
uh..they've already said INSIDE OF WOW, in the caverns of time mission where you help arthas purge stratholme, that if he had never purged stratholme, the legion would have won. thus you go back in time to MAKE SURE that he purges stratholme.
The funny thing about Caverns of Time is that one of the npcs said that time is always in flux. One change to a timeline does not guarantee that there is only one outcome. This video shows a very probably outcome based off the lore. Both Arthas and Thrall were warned by the same prophet to flee to Kalmidor and they might of made an alliance to combat the undead. With the troops in Loraedan holding off the advance, the Orc/Tauren/Troll/Human alliance with the help of the Drawves/Gnomes to the south of Loraedan, *edit* also with the aide of the Night Elves and the High Elves with their intacted Sunwell might of defeated the undead scourge.
These quotes are from the Custodian of Time during the escort mission:
"There are only two truths to be found here: First, that time is chaotic, always in flux, and completely malleable and second, perception does not dictate reality."
"This timeway is currently collapsing. What that may hold for the past, present and future is currently unknown...' ~~ referring to the entrance of "Culling of Stratholme" instance
Rick Providence A very valid argument! And I realize that I was being nitpicky, as this is simply a 'what-if' video, exploring a possibility, rather than stating what would happen in every instance.
HOWEVER, I do believe that the Legion would win--Mal'ganis is a force to be reckoned with, and with the ENTIRE population of Stratholme turned to zombies and sent to wherever the dreadlord was sending them in the mission, that army would be unstoppable. In addition, the Lich King would never rebel against the Legion, giving them consistent control over the Scourge. Granted, that's only if he didn't find another champion (though he spent the entirety of Arthas' life watching him), and so we do not have a way to really know what would have happened!
***** he didnt murder innocents UNTIL stratholme.
Arthas was a moron who ruined everything he's ever had in his life. The horse? He was stupid and got it crippled. Jaina? He got cold feet after sealing the deal. Uther, Muradin, the men under his command? Vengeful, frothing, singleminded obsession.
Elyseon regardless, he kind of saved the world when he purged strath, so i fail to see what point you are trying to make.
What if Arthas was gay? O.o
Arthas x Kaelthas?
TheSergirius
lol
Nothing. He would turn into the lich king and would wanna kill every living thing
Instead of shooting out ice and such he'd shoot out rainbows
He'd hit on Kael rather then Jaina.
That's... a very solid argument. Hell, I would even say that it could have made a much better story than The Frozen Throne.
Anh. Everyone loves a Darth Vader story.
( Except for the actual Darth Vader story due to poor scripting, lol. )
The lore of warcraft is so filled with sorrow and tragedy. The only game I played that could make me cry.
Think you can do a sort of part 2 of this video considering the many changes in history that occurred with Arthas not becoming the Lich King leaving just as many questions such as 1.) Who would be the new Lich King? 2.) What will it be like when Arthas and Jaina were to land in the West? and other questions as well.
I am literally all about these kinds of videos. The what if scenarios. When I was young and even still to this day, I always question what if scenarios in my head about every game I play. What if Illidan was vigilant and never consumed the Skull? What if he FINALLY held his ground and Tyrande was actually his instead of Malfurion?
What if Arthas lead his men home in Northrend and did not take up the sword but instead purified the sword or destroyed it?
What if Deathwing had hesitated to the whispers of the Old Gods before he informed the other aspects and got them to surge power into the Dragon Soul and not his own?
What if Deathwing put his OWN power in it too?
What if Medivh collapsed the portal in a last moment of having grasped his own body and mind and did something that the Guardian would do? Cut off the Horde entirely and overload and kill himself for Azeroth to save it?
What if we allowed The Infinite to interfere with the timeline, seeing their good intentions? Would they have stopped being so... malicious in their way about it? Would WE be malicious as well?
What if the Nathrezim turned on the Burning Legion and outlasted them? (They're pretty damn smart). Maybe even help other planets in defending them? (Not sacrificing their dark powers obviously, just where their allegiances lie).
What if Thrall went back to leading his people before Garrosh started doing damage to the Horde?
What if we KILLED Garrosh at the end of Mists of Pandaria?
(Spoilers alert)
What if King Varian ran from the Legion and survived?
What if Vol'Jin found proper voodoo and hexes to cure himself in time?
So many questions... I would love to see them all answered in a way that the lore would be known to follow.
Good job man, I liked this a lot. Can't wait for the second one.
dont normally like 'what if stories ' but this one was well done GJ
What if Tyrande had chosen Illidan's side instead of Malfurion's?
What if Thrall had missed his shot with the Dragon Soul?
What if Illidan wasn't defeated at the Black Temple?
Just a few suggestions. I'd love to see you make videos on these.
This What If Needs a Part 2, I want to see how Arthas would had dealt with Thrall and Grom's Orcs on Kalimdor.
You really did put a lot of work into it, I believe that you spoke really well to the point. Cheers.
interesting. and the logic you described at the end as to how you came up with the story line was a good touch..
And yogg would be haveing a party,
"two...more...years...#...can't wait..."-Yogg in this video.
This was EXACTLY what ran through my head after I finished the human campaign in Warcraft 3
Congrats for accuracy😉😉
I didn't expect any good when seeing the title of this video. Now I have a new youtube channel to follow :)
Yes! This video was awesome, looking forward to a part 2 :D
11:18 "I do have a sequel in mind for this what if video" 7 years later and still nothing :(
The Kirin Tor in Warcraft 3 campaign cast an aura that damaged the undead when Arthas attacked Dalaran. The Silverhand and Kirin Tor could have quarantined Stratholme, cast that spell/aura across the city so only the infected citizens would die.
They did not have to kill them all
I was a little hesitate going into this, but overall I was surprised at how well this played out. Great job man
You should continue this story, what happens next, who become the new loch king ECT. Love the vid man keep it up. :)
Holy shit 100k views in 3 days, incredible, but this video is very well done and must of taken a lot of time! Good job!
Good story mate, rather realistic way of alternative timeline. Keep it going this way, you're doing wonderful.
Hellscream dude you really like make wow come alive in me again, makes me so much more deeper into wow then a bsic game. Enjoying all those moments and stories of how WOW came to be, never get tired of watching these epic vids and i recommend these vids to all my WOW friends, keep up the good work aye
I really enjoyed it Hellscream. Its even better to watch this while drunk ( trust me, I am a professional )