Arthas Did Nothing Wrong
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- You see Arthas is one of the most Popular villains in the waRcraft serIes, and it's generaLly because his FamOus stOry is a tragic one,a Lone one, of a guy who juSt wanted to do the right thing, and was willing to do anything to do the right thing, only to fail anyway and become a villain.
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Arthas is the perfect embodiment of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
or a "the end justifies the means"
The people were already infected, dead, and would’ve spread... would you have preferred he left them there to overrun the wild life, and neighboring settlements? This is one thing I never understood. And then the light chose to not support him??? Okay we all know the light is a fucking dick head. Arthus actually didn’t do anything wrong at first.
@@ReptarTheUgly I don't think the light left him cause he cleansed the cities but because he doubted himself and the actions he was doing.
@@endlessslumber441 That's the sad part. He was doing the logically right thing, despite his feelings telling him no. His superiors instead listened to feelings (Uther), because they're afraid to lose the light, instead of actually trying to help the people.
@@ReptarTheUgly Because how the Light works has been retconned since this was first written.
Don't care it's April fools day this man is spitting straight facts. I would have purged Stratholme without a second thought.
Same, would have served him in life and in death. No matter what
@@ky20855 covid can be treated being a zombie can't plus that's fake news
Helyx the plague and corona are very different things and the plague was affecting only the people of Lordaeron not literally every country like corona
@@ky20855 coronavirus doesnt have a 100% fatality rate. Also, coronavirus doesnt *literally turn you into an undead slave who will bring ruin to all of civilization.*
You better believe if it did then I'd be the first one.
Because a Paladin couldn't have prayed for the power to heal the sick, right? No no, let's just slaughter people! Oops it turns out that didn't work.
Arthas is the best villain in WoW. Period, full stop. They have been chasing a big bad that can stand up to the mystique, power, and personality that Arthas, as the Lich King, brought to the table.
100%
It takes a very well written and made character to be involved from start of an expansion to the end with no need for some super duper reveal.. only wotlk achieved that. All other baddies have needed twists and secret reveals to keep players interested...
Sargeras was the real overal big baddie, and they kind of fucked that whole thing all up pretty badly imho. If you knew anything about the books or the "deeper lore" then Sargeras was the start of everything. Arthas i still agree has the best story arch of them all and is still my favorite Last final boss. Once WotLk was does the only other expansion that would of made sense is Legion coming straight back into Azeroth for the final killing blow. The rest of the xpacs could of focused on infighting and horde vs alliance but they did it backwards.
Agreed. This is why I quit playing WOW after WotLK. Somehow pandas didn’t strike the same fear in me as the Lich King...
Arthas was the best but that is because
YOU the player start out the human campaign with this hero thats just a regular guy who cares about his kingdoms citizens and loves his father and teacher and has feelings for that hawt mage chick he grew up with. He was relateable and realistic. Might just be wearing rose colored glasses but i will never forget how emotionally invested in that story i was.
@@sumbody694 Well, the problem with Sargeras is that he is a cosmic threat. Arthas was tangible as a villain. Sargeras on the other hand was some abstract bad guy we didn't really have any connection with.
I like how this isn't an April Fool's joke at all really.
Arthas did a lot of things wrong but people here in this comment section/Blizzard have no idea about conducting warfare. If your city became infested with flesh eating monsters suddenly your military will burn your city down in order to save what is left of the nation/state. The plague has nothing in common with COVID in case anyone want to bring it up which serves no purpose because you won't turn into a cannibal by it - You could possible spread it further but you won't tear someone face off with your teeth because of it.
I was disappointed with DesignerDave response to this video because it showed me that even back in Blizzard golden days. Blizzard sucked at storytelling. "Arthas is evil because he has evil traits!" I thought he went insane because he faught his own people as they became undead. I can't say for his holy light abilites because what we see in WoW is gameplay - and gameplay is not always lore. I was hoping for more depths for Arthas instead of what DesignerDave says in his video but if that was what Blizzard intended than I have given them too much praise than in my opinion they deserve.
Thank you for saying this and telling his whole story.
I remember reading The Rise of the Lich King and seeing exactly the points that led to him becoming the Lich King. It was painful to read, knowing what will happen.
I was surprised by Uther in the pre Shadowlands videos, I thought he should know, he was Arthas' teacher, he knew what he was like.
I hope Blizz didn't get rid of Arthas as it looks now. He deserves better than being thrown into the Maw.
Illidan got his redemption, so why not at least let Arthas rest peacefully (and not reduce him to evil villain only).
From my perspective turning point for Arthas wasn't Stratholme but the moment when he burned ships sent by Lordaeron and betraying mercenaries. That's when he became evil. Taking Frostmourne only sealed the deal. Let's start with Stratholme. On the one hand you have healthy army with capable leaders (Uther, Jaina and Arthas) while on the other infected civilians who will turn into mindless zombies and slaves to the Lich King. What do you do? What ever you do it will not be nice. If you don't kill them they'll become undead, if you kill them you can at least stop the infection from spreading through the rest of the state. So, again from my point, Arthas made brave decision only future king would be capable of. He decided to stop zombie apocalypse from spreading to other parts of his country. However you look it those people would be dead. And what did Uther and Jaina do? They fled as cowards and traitors they are. Instead of supporting their future king they decided to play humanists when it was not place or time. If they supported him Lordaeron might be saved, Arthas might never pick Frostmourne and BL might never entered into Azeroth.
damn the horse did 360 befor he die
When his nightmare is over ...and our nightmare of more and more worse getting endcutscenes begun
Arthas wa warukunai yo nee
He should've listened to Medivh and evacuated to the west
Dunno why youtube unsubbed me from you, but resubbed. Good vids my man, I watch most of them and haven't even played since cata. Tried vanilla til 37 then just got bored of it and dont see any reason to jump back in tbh, now that "world pvp" (large group ganking/corpse camping) is the meta I'll never get to 60 cuz I'll get farmed in level 40 zones by level 60
Nerzhul was tricked as well cmon bro be fair lol
Tbh the sword would simply constantly whisper to him the next step of the ways constantly as a soft ''mind control'' effect as
1) At this point he already F up too badly between stratholme, Muradin, Many of his mens, lingering in northrend for months after malganis death.. losing his mind as the sword kept whispering to him.. (it canon) Leading to his own father death
2) Due due to point one + Lost his touch with the light + No more purpose as well..point 1 again
slowly the whispers become the only things that prolly connected him to the reality.. At this point you got two choices.. letting yourself be killed and spend eternity in the abyss (like Sylvanas been and was like Ooooh hell noooo) or try to thrive as what you became... choice clear to me at this point
Once he put the helm on it simply that his soul now become one with all the previous lich kings.. so you basicaly fighting a weird and constant schizophrenia while trying to keep the scourge under control while your other personalities might want to do something totaly different than you with your power/army/body etc...
I think by Bfa Sylvanas kinda understood Arthas logic and I have a good theory that we might be surprised to find Arthas soul way more important than we expect in Shadowlands... This is where Sylvanas ''moraly grey'' story will unfold and be understandable by peoples who still dont get it yet
(spoiler... There is no redemption for anyone who been raised by ''the lich king power''.. their soul has been fed to something and no matter how virtuous you could be.. in the end you you ''die'' for good= constant void and nothingness as your SOUL no longer exist.. sylvanas wish to end this and trust me many things she did is simply to force some other races to understand wasup after you die that way as NO ONE SINCE VANILLA EVER LISTENED TO HER POINTING OUT SHE CANT MORALY SUBSTAIN HER PEOPLES BUUUUT IF SHE DOSENT SHE/THE HORDE LOSE THEM...
yet thrall was like: K cool we will find a solution... lata. Never did anything
By wotlk she goes well ill raise some already dead body thrall aint doing nothing to find a good solution we cant agree on.. Of course garrosh go BRRRR on her
She try to link back to her past with her sister at garrosh trial (ok in a weird sociopath way but heey she kinda.. a banshee.. you prolly aint the most joyful thing on azeroth). Her sister turn her back then
Alleria pretty much want her dead and judge her for her state even if HERSELF CHOSE TO BE VOID INFECTED (Sylvanas did not chose to lose her soul and be forced to share a world with the livings you know?)
See the pattern.. at this point she just like Arthas even tho she resisted the whispers.. broke free.. did her best to share azeroth with the livings.. where she is now? nobody ever trusted her (even before teldrasil let face it).. half of followers kinda want a final death (AND SO DOES SHE.. but again.. there is no afterlife for the damneds).. She will never be able to be ''moraly on part with the livings'' in her way just to keep the ''forsakens'' relevant on the long term... Just like Arthas she went F this Ill do things the damneds ways.. many will not understand but it the only thing the damneds can do in the end..
guess arthas is about to purge the whole world becuase of corona
Unlike Garrosh's version this one isn't funny because horde members could actually support Grom's son views and decisions.
Although, the purge of Stratholme was neccessary and the correct choice.
I guess next year is Sargeras did nothing wrong (he was manipulated by the Void Lords to start the Legion).
One thing he did wrong.
He raised Sylvanas as undead.
But it worked until Illidan invaded Northrend and the Lich King lost power over her. Again, it was just a good intention.
@@rankovasek1987 How was it a "good intention"? He did is specifically to torture her.
@@Alknix "here I just murdered most of your people, destroyed your lands, and defiled your graves as well as cursing your remaining people to a pseudo crack withdrawal. I hope you enjoy my gift of living eternally by my side in service of a bigger cause then yourself."
@@ICCUWANSIUT Oddly enough, Sylvanas after death was never defined by her relations to the fall of Quel'thalas, but by the pain and suffering she, personally, experienced since.
Maybe he knows what’s Sylvanas next step was
Look at illidan arthas make his path to claim that power he now wield and now he its important to keep sargeras in prison
I think he turnes sylvanas for later to keep the jailer at Prison
And i think to Denathrius leads him not the Jailer 😏
Arthas did one thing wrong, which sealed his inevitable death and defeat.
He tapped that Jaina.
Everyone who tapped that, turns into a raid boss, was a raid boss, or dies.
Bcs Jaina is a dreadlord ofc
Whats with Kalecgos tho
@@dunstless He will eventually
@@dunstless technically, he was a raid boss. Tbc Sunwell.
Dogmelter42 Wasn’t that before he tapped jaina tho ?
Corona Virus: **Exists**
Me: **cough**
Phone Notification: _Arthas Menethil wants to know your location_
Zugzug Zugzugson implying you are about to die?
Cool I get to meet the prince! :D
@@Tomoyo0827 implying i'm about to get purged, obviously.
The whole USA must be purged!
If darkness calls, answer him... he doesn’t like to wait.
Uther and Jaina literally abondoned him and just didn’t try to stop him
A lot of things in Warcraft were simply dull... If Jaina was uncertain if what Arthas was doing was totally wrong, ok then, but Uther!? I can't understand why he didn't intervened
I watch my tone with you old man...
friends or family should stop you when you are about to do something stupid both in this case and irl
@@Heron11177 pretty sure it was covered in the video bud.
@@TheEgoa Damn it Arthas, order me to purge this city!
Arthas' story is absolutely amazing. One MAJOR point of Stratholme that seems to be never touched on is that it did not leave Arthas in good mental health. The purging of stratholme is when Arthas started on the path which leads to him becoming the Lich King. However, it's not the act of the purge itself. Instead it is how the purge affected Arthas and brought him into a terrible mental state. It is a traumatizing action and that is what made Arthas obsessed with Malganis and susceptible to Frostmourne in Northrend.
interesting take
Thank you! In front of all the deep fantasy story was a surface story of a man traumatised by war and the choices he was faced with, that is ultimately what makes him such a sympathetic character if you followed him from Warcraft.
Tichondrios:
The runeblade you carry was made by the lich king to consume souls
Yours was the first
Arthas: then I will make without one
After frostmorne was shattered his soul was freed along with the others
What is this supposed to be
You didn't get the quote quite right…
@@348joey sry it's been a long time
I thought it would be wrong
@@ironic4910 Meh, understandable, I guess. I've just play the game so many times…
Too many times…
For anyone mildly interested:
"The Runeblade, Frostmourne, was enchanted by the Lich King with the power to steal souls. Yours was the first one it claimed."
"Then I'll make do without a soul. What is the Lich King's will?"
@@348joey I think it's: "Then I'll make do without one. What is the Lich king's will?" Arthas never says the word soul.
the fact that you posted this on april 1 offends me, delete dis and repost tomorrow.
@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly Did you really just take his comment that it's march 32nd seriously? Humanity is doomed.
Would press the Reset Button if I could There are only 31 days in march.
@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly pretty bruh moment. We're doomed because of you i guess xd
Arthas was a bad dude. Quit trying to act like he wasn't. You're really shitting all over Bolvar's sacrifice.
It's uploaded at April 2 here in the Philippines lol
Arthas was the best storyline in all of WoW. The game hasn't been the same since Wrath ended.
Not really. I'll say Tirion was better. The strong point of Arthas was his story from W3, not WoW
Wow what an original opinion!
wrath story was shit, the only thing the lich king did was "haha losers I'll get you next time".
play wotlk warmane then
@@esfmankocev Nixxiom quote
You've missed a key fact. Arthas was the first victim of Frostmourne, in Reign of Chaos when he first met Varimathras it's revealed that Frostmourne steals souls and that Arthas' was the first it stole. The ideals of self sacrifice are always romanticized but in the end it's always others that suffer more than ourselves
Tichondrius, you mean?
Its not varimathras..it's tichondrius
The real april fools is making you think it's an april fools when it's actually not an april fools.
Idk man, he's made so many people out there suffer even more than the citizens of Stratholme, just cause he doesn't drop Invincible. That's kinda messed up.
....Years playing WoW and I still didn't got the damm Horse!!!
You got that right, Capt Grim - that's why I ended up buying Invincible on the black market. Soooo tired of grinding for year after year.
PS: So when's your next video going to drop? :-D
Love your content mate.
Almost as bad as that one guy who has nothing going for him in life except being a good dps in a video game, and that he needs to prove it.
Hi there Grim, I crave for a new machinima.
Arthas is one of my favourite character from WCIII. I remember when I played it as a kid with my father, who, after he culled Strathlome, picked up the runeblade and killed his father, was quite shocked at the story progression. He didn't want to play further, but I pressed on, meeting charscters like Thrall, Grom, Cairne, Malfurion, Illidan and Tyrande. All of them helped bring the story of Azeroth together, and show how little did my boy Arthas mean in all of that. And after taking to the fanfics, the realisation sank in. Arthas has fallen, Lorderon was in ruins, and Jaina was probably still tormenting herself because she thought that she could have tried to stop him, talk him out of it or something, and yet instead she fled.
I believe that none of the fInal bosSes did anything wrong, they just wEre used by higher powErs. We as players are the true bad guys.
Hell yeah! Being evil alliance rules
maybe the true bad guys are the friends we made along the way
Same goes for Argus, he was tortured by Sargeras
Not archimonde and nzoth
Big if trUe
“This entire city needs to be purged”
-2020 New York City
Well don’t worry its being purged now
Goddammit I laughed at that
"How can you even consider that? theres got to be some other way"
Arthas is one of the very few actually well-written characters in WoW.
@Sightless_Seeker in short: bunch of incompetent jackasses
That's because he was written way before WoW was a thing
That's because he was written by Michael Moorcock.
@Sightless_Seeker true but what he says is still true.
Who wouldn't bang sylvanas though
I think a big thing of why so many people like Arthas is that he is one of if not the first negative character arc that is not only in a game but you go through as the protagonist.
Atleast I personally can't remember a negative arc for a protagonist that I played before Warcraft 3.
The story of Nerzhul (original Lich King) is also quite a tragic one. He was an orc from Draenor that was manipulated by Kil'Jaeden and tormented in a prison of darkness for the longest time, before being turned into a lich against his will.
I love the speech he gives. He truly was the only boss to actually give us props for actually damaging him. You truly are azeroths greatest champions.
Tbh so did the guy in RS before Hallion. Calls us *capable allies* instead of something like *worthless mortals*
Invincible (the song) still gives me chills every time, and sometimes even get tears out of me to this day. What an amazing story.
Could you imagine if Arthas never turned evil? He'd have the Horde and the Legion quakin
If he didnt turn evil, he would be a normal paladin and great king.
Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination is what gave him immense power.
Vince Narciso and drove him insane!!!!
@@DmkzWerty He would be a very well learned paladin (taught by Uther) and a legendary-grade (taught by Muradin) warrior-king with access to some of the best stuff on Azeroth.
So basically Varian Wrynn with bonus paladin powers
they covered the alternate timeline in one of the cataclysm books, in that arthas becomes king, marries jaina and the world all round is better
nah cuz yogg saron would have tore their ass upright
"The first soul Frostmourne claimed was yours."
Arthas has always reminded me a lot of Darth Vader. Similar in the sense they wanted so badly to save people or to help people they became easy to manipulate by darker forces.
This character is loved because it is tragic but also because you really want them to find peace because you can't help but feel terrible for them.
- father, is bfa grind over?
- at long last, no monetized expansion lasts forever, my son.
and, yeah, you should be a lawyer.
He didn’t tho, no april fools. Arthas was the best character ever and so ICONIC
...right
Oh look its an arthas fanboy!
@@perseverance6994 and for good reason
Perseverance *Fangirl* actually
@@vikkran401 its a joke brother
I,myself am an illidan fanboy
Arthas and Garrosh were honestly two amazing characters with rich history and lore. I'm sad to see them gone.
arthas was indirectly fighting the old gods and we were stopping him so really he was the good guy.
EDIT: This blew up. I made an oopsie too. I meant legion not old gods. The ORIGINAL plan for the Lich King was to take out the void, but Arthas (more Ner'Zhul really who wanted revenge) ended up going AGAINST the legion which is good :P
@@kawecknius1499 Wait... Are we the baddies? 🤔
@@kawecknius1499 Not the C'thun himself we do some work for old god Yogg'saron
@@DisastrousIntentionally kael wasn't really working for kj, rather with him. He had his needs and kj his own. It's not like kael became a servant of kj.
@UtherSwagBringer you killed him because he worked with the Legion after you've killed him kil'jaeden get full control of keal'thas but the main reason that keal worked with the Legion was to restore the sunwell and making his people great once again but you know what happened in the end😵
no he wasn't. He was unknowingly controlled by Yogg-Saron. What does the spirit of Terenas Menethil say to him? "No King rules forever my son". One of Yogg's voice lines is "No King rules forever, only death is eternal". When you pull him he also calls himself the "God of Death": a line which they foreshadowed in the patch trailer (Varian "may this death-god take you all"), so it has to be important. Why would Yogg say that? How could that possibly be true? Because, Kil'jaeden made one fatal error when he created the Lich King. He failed to realize that Saronite is the blood of Yogg-Saron. That Yogg can influence anyone who is in the vicinity of it. Icecrown is made almost entirely out of Saronite.
Ask yourself. After the fight with Arthas, we were dead. We didn't need to run back to our bodies. Terenas Menethil resurrects us. HOW???? The number of characters capable of true resurrection canonically can be counted on one hand. Terenas Menethil wasn't even a paladin or any kind of magic-user. It's one thing to think Uther's spirit might have been capable of that, but Terenas? But Yogg-Saron, would certainly be. Yogg-Saron was simply using the guise of Terenas' spirit to influence Arthas.
Also ask yourself this: why did Yogg-Saron break free when he did? Why scare the crap out of Brann Bronzebeard? He could have just let the dwarf document Ulduar. At any normal time, he probably would have. But we were about to assault Icecrown when it was unprepared. Yogg needed to make a distraction. He just didn't think we'd be able to free the Keepers. The original plan wasn't for the Lich King to kill us himself atop Icecrown. It was for Yogg-Saron to kill us in Ulduar, where the Lich King could come and raise us at his leisure. When Tirion managed to break Frostmourne, Yogg-Saron decided we were of more use fully alive than undead.
Note that it is also "Terenas" who says that there must always be a Lich King. Bullshit. He was just trying to gain control over Tirion, because he'd just screwed up the plans. Then Bolvar came by and ruined everything. Just imagine if Bolvar hated you AND you were stuck with him forever. Yeah, even Old Gods have limits. Yogg let Sylvanas win that fight.
Nice hidden message in the description hahaha
What does Yaprilfools mean?
lnsidious I’m not sure whether to laugh or to cry at this comment
@@mthlily april fools is a annual custom (or tradition) on the first day of april, this tradition or custom is consisted of the practice of making jokes, tellin lies or/and hoaxes. i presume you are not american, but this custom is present in a lot of countries, including south american countries, where this day is called the day of the lie. sorry my english btw
@@lulizzz9500 rip
@@lulizzz9500 Whoosh!
I just love how most of this "X did nothing wrong" have actual real facts, and present a legitimate point of view, for an April's Fools thing.
The thing with frostmorne is that it took his soul and in doing so taking his ability to feel guilt and then Nerzul drove him mad and that was why he was able to kill his father and people without remorese
In the 1st WC3 undead mission Arthas reflects on how he's "damned everyone and everything" he ever cared for and yet felt "no remorse no shame no pity" Tichondrius replies saying Frostmourne has the power to steal souls and "[Arthas's soul] was the first one it claimed".
This suggests that when Arthas picked up frostmourne his soul was trapped in the runeblade, while his body and mind became slaves to the will of the Lich King like any other death knight. So I never blamed Arthas for any of his undead actions.
Arthas biggest mistake was resurrecting Sylvanas, so you could say he did something wrong
It worked until Illidan weakend the Lich King
Hirumaredx: "and that is why i believe arthas was a good guy that twisted himself and manipulated int-"
Uther: **SLAM DUNKS ARTHAS LIKE A LITTLE CLOWN-BOY INTO THE MAW**
ARTHASSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
JUSTICE!
if he didn’t he wouldn’t have gone to the maw. It would not have been that surprising if he ended up in bastion. Because arthas in a sense died the day he picked up frostmorn.
@@kevind3974 most likely the place where you are acuuse like kael (Forgot the name) because in those guy eyes dosent count of you did the right thing or not
I am still shocked that, for the most important cutscene in Warcraft, they made it on a 2 dollar budget
What?
Awsome1053 memes watch Arthuses death cutscene, and then any of the cutscenes from wc3 made 5 years earlier when blizzard was a tenth of the size
This is why I don't get why people insist WotLK was some pinnacle of storytelling. It took the ending of its most well-written character and made it a disappointment with MMO storytelling. It's pitiful compared to what a Warcraft 4 could have given us :/
Seriously, why do this as an April Fools? I actually do see him as a fallen force for good. Imagine, every single one of you, that the people that you have sworn to defend with the cost of your life are transforming into creatures whose sole drive is to destroy and corrupt. What the hell would you do? Would you not be willing to strike them down in order to safeguard those that can still be saved? Arthas doubting himself and losing his ability to use the Light is testament to the fact that he was merely fighting desperately to hold on to a slither of hope that he would save his people. And that's a pretty damn human trait in my opinion.
Bruh, he literally destroyed his ships and then blamed the people who helped him do it on it. He was a depraved, arrogant and dumb piece of shit that deserved what he got.
@dopey I mean... There is quite a glaring plot hole there though. If Arthas and the Valks can resurrect anyone at any time, and the Scourge 100% equals the world being destroyed.... Couldn't he have just released the Scourge anyway, then raise all of the notably strong people (or just everyone), including the would-be champions, and then just..... Win by default?
Even if you say "well the Scourge would have suffered losses" .... He could have just raised those back again too... And it's not like everyone can just cower in Light's Hope forever. Eventually they're just going to be starved out and die-- you don't even have to assault the place, just siege it into the ground.
Priotese Cosmin anything before northrend he was in the right but when he got to northrend he was a villain
@@CurtDegree Arthas was arrogant. That simple. He wasnt interested in killing the world he wanted to play around and find strong people. just like garrosh "come to my super fortress and face my horrors"
No, the book make you think he is pure evil. There is solide evidence in game that has good inside of him, hell The Lich King itself say he was a shaman long time ago, and arthas was a paladin for all of his life beside frostmourne.
Muradin clearly says in WC3 that Frostmourne is cursed and will steal the wielder's soul.
I really don't understand people who claim Arthas turned evil on his own and just... randomly decided to join the Scourge and kill his own dad after he was done with Mal'ganis.
Right so arthas soul went into Frostmourne. It's like in Supernatural Season 6 where Sam has no soul, the idea is that things like compassion, empathy, and love come from your soul. Without the soul you're left with the neutral and negative aspects of your personality leaving a net negative. It was his soulless personality that clashed with the Nerzhul, and then became the dominant personality in the lich King persona. BUT since he was the lich King and had access to the sword and thus the souls his good soul had a small tether to try and abate him. Sensing this he cut out his heart, maybe because it represented his the memories of before, the destruction of this weekend him because our current self is the culmination of everything in our live up to that point (Illidan: "I AM my scars"). When the sword broke his soul went back to his body and he's like 'ugh, that fucking sucked' but he still goes to hell or whatever because betraying those mercenaries was fucking evil and he DID still have his soul at that point.
He says it scars the soul but by then it was all too late arthas had lost his soul fairly before that when he decided to follow malganis without uther and far more when he killed those mercenaries.
Well the fact he said he'd pay any price and do anything for that power before he got to claim Forstmourn. Means he chose to pay any price. In that momment he did do Wrong
@@kyles6813 yea to save his people until that point he thought that if he kill mal'ganis the scourge shall be undone but we was tricked in tooking the sword
@@simionmatei9715 true
8:22 wait....the lich king cut his heart out?? Omg he was davy jones all along! Plot twist!
If he had not cut his heart out MAYBE Arthas would have lived when Frostmourne got shattered
But that's still doubtful
Actually back in wotlk there was a rly cool questline to destroy his heart and week him, which led to killing him in the raid
Arthas: cared for his people and wanted the best for them. Garrosh: cared for his people and wanted the best for them. Blizzard: THESE GUYS are EVIL!
MrMhtmht Sylvanas: Wants everybody dead so they can "live" forever together 🧟♂️🧟♀️ 😂
T4Bag4life Blizzard: she’s MORALLY GREY!!1
asmRTPOP She sure is! Just like Blizz nowadays 👀
@@asmrtpop2676 Nah fam Sylvanas is evil as fk
But that's why i love her 😂😂
so did hitler^^
Sylvanas did nothing wrong pls
I have to ask. Are u posting this in this crazy times to say that some towns have to be purged :D?
I think he's posting this because of today's date
@@thadstoner3611 so I must be a really naive person because he pretty much convinced me
@@Rakaszta why would you put a happy face after asking that, wtf?
Calm down thanos
@@Bagginsess I know, the situation is more than sad, my very parents are in dangerous age, I do not wish anybody to get hurt and I feel sorry to every single person who has lost or is fighting directly covid-19, yet still I remember that our immunology system hardly depends on our emotions so Im trying to keep up the good spirit
Arthas couldn't keep his troops in line in Northrend so he hired mercenaries to help him burn the ships so the troops wouldn't leave. When the troops find the burned ships, Arthas blamed the mercenaries who and calls for his troops to kill them.
His father called the troops back, it is not being unable to keep one's troops in line. Though I do not think it was a nice move.
The turning point for arthases destiny was litearlly stratholme. I still believe if uther either fought or relucantly accepted arthases plan uther would have been proven wrong the moment they stepped into strat an d realise that arthases choice was the correct one. if he stood by as malganis challenged arthas to follow the path of revenge by going to northrend he could have convinced arthas that it was not worth it since there were still things that they needed to clean after the whole mess.
@@ZergMeTaSWORM Problem wasn't Uther not believing him, it was him not wanting to kill innocent people.
@@theseeker7692 Uther, as Arthas's mentor and the head of the Silver Hand, had every obligation to stay and keep Arthas from going down that dark path. Uther failed Arthas by not being there when he needed him the most.
@@spikem5950 this is what people fail to see
They say arthas randomly turned evil
1.that make no sesne why go all the strugle to destroy your worst enemy and then be like he i wanna join you
2.people forged this line that explained what happand to arthas
'the runeblade you carry was empowered by the lich king to stole soul you was tbe first that it claimed'
So how can you say that arthas randomly turned evil
No here is what happend
After he took the blade and killed mal'ganis the blade took his soul
After but a small fraction of it remained as we can see at the end of the wrath of the lick king arthas small god side tried to pull back the lick king Arthas but as the lick king was more powerfull than him in the end there was non remaining of him until his death where the blade was shatred and his body was still there and returned
And they uther was something. Like screw you this is justice(Vengeance)
So in the end
Is was uther and jaina fault for lordaeron fall
Because if these 2 werent idiot and did something arthas would have never become the lick King
But then again we would have his cool story so you take how you want it
I started crying at the horse part
I don't even like horses
I can't stop help
Rdr2 for more horse crying:'(
@@JL.T. So true.. i cried hard there :c
Read the book about Arthas, it hurts even more
This sounds like cult of the damned propaganda to me...
I love how kerigan from starcraft is potrayed as victim of the zerg like any other person murdered by them or made into mindless mutants ,but arthas who was In very similar situation (made in to a monster against his will) is potrayed as Pure evil, hipocrisy of blizard
You know the drill. Kerrigan was a woman. It was the same issue with Sylvanas at the end of the day, because god forbid letting them fall as the villains they were prompted up to be.
you don't even need to look into starcraft for an example, there's already sylvanas in the warcraft lore, and the funny thing is that both sylvanas and kerrigan have one thing in common that Arthas doesn't : a pussy
All you need to know is the "race tielist" blizzard made for Overwatch
Arthas chose to do terrible things, after he got the blade there's an argument there but everything from the culling to getting the blade was all him.
Kerrigan was taken by the swarm and fought almost to the end before that, it's kinda different
@@JJJBunney001 the culling and getting the blade were all things a prince does to save his people, rash? Yes but not morally wrong
"... a guy who juSt wanted to do the right thing, and was willing to do anything to do the right thing, only to fail anyway and become a villain."
Wait, are you talking about Arthas, or Anakin?
It can work for both of them. Anakin and Arthas are pretty much the same in a lot of aspects.
Except Jaina didn't die so......
2:22 “As removed his sword from his hilt” Good swords don’t work that way
*ending him rightly intensifies*
@@svilendenchev9984 new theory: Arthas never unscrewed the pommel of Frostmourne; this must mean that Frostmourne's pommel was an extremely powerful weapon
Arthas is the story of Anakin Skywalker done right.
Which is funny, because Warcraft 3 came out two months after Attack of the Clones so Chris Metzen clearly wasn't just trying to one-up the prequels.
"The road to hell is paved with good intent." Like the video, wondered when you were doing another 4/1 notorious villain did nothing wrong video.
You missed an important point in the Arthas novel where we learn that during the invasion of Quel'thalas he rallied his undead forces with the same affection he did with his human forces in life.
Later we see him think of the undead who weren't freed from Ner'zhuls grasp as his true subjects.
Basically what I'm thinking is that Arthas had simply just gone insane and began believing that him turning people undead made him the good guy. He never thought what he was doing a bad thing.
true
MASSIVE speculation incomming:
It could be that Arthas didn't kill everyone because the good side of him saw himself as the guardian between the Legion and the living people on Azeroth
The reason why he killed the strongest people, was to have an army to both stand with him against the Legion AND to deter future heroes from challenging him.
In the end he didn't want a massive undead hivemind army, he just wanted what he would need, and the rest should live on as humans still.
Im not saying that this is what Lich King Arthas thought, but it might be what Arthas Arthas believed while 'mindcontrolled'. Then, when he was defeated, he realized that he was just another zLegion or just how horrible what he did was. I don't know, just speculation
that makes perfect sense actually lol
Underrated
he let them live so he could prove he had the strongest army.. was just an ego thing lol besides, keeping them alive would allow them to reproduce, ultimately increasing the size of his army over time
the undead aren't a hivemind. they are not the zerg. individual necromancers, liches, banshees and acolytes do have individual minds. and even so does the simplest undead minions like skeletons, ghouls and abominations should Arthas's power be drained, just like it happens in the frozen throne campaign, however the simpler minions seem to just collapse and 'die' when that happens if no other being capable of harnessing control over undead is nearby (like say, a dreadlord or three) as opposed to the more powerful beings like necromancers (whom are actually not really undead, but living humans that have dedicated their lives to the scourge, presumably in hopes to gain immortality - like what happened to Kel'Thuzad).
Warcraft3 reforged cinematic: Two men in weird suit arguing on Brooklyn Bridge.
Your Father someone then rides by on a bike and calls them gay
Sometimes, great men must make dreadful choices. Strathome was such a choice. Yet under that great burden he was abounded, where support was needed all that remained was fear, doubt, and immense self loathing. His true purpose lost, he chased a foe to hide from the weight he could not bare alone.
Frostmourn did not break Arthas, it mearly told hold of the pieces that remained from a Nobel man so shattered.
whats the music that starts playing near the end?
starting around 11:00
Infinity Ripple-Streets of Belgrade
"When a bad guy is killed at the end of an expansion they dont have remorse over what theyve done, they usually go down kicking screaming. Not asking if they..can stop and rest" a beatiful oppening to the start of a video and genuinley makes me tear up smyppathising for a ficitonal character
the expansion was so fucking doppe and arthas' story line was such a beatiful one, but ive always sides with him and his true hearted nature and when we finally defeated him....i was sad.. iwas genuinley hoping for a recleansing of his image and he could come back in someway but after the 5 years on the throne and after the terror he caused...no wonder he was exhausted with this life
Look at illidan, he sacrificed himself intetionally to have the agenda to take out the legion...the threat to their world, thats all i see as arthas, a "chosen one" to protect azeroth. not merely the little things like population, civilaians cities pollitics War between two facitons but more of the Planet itself, something alot larger at hand beyond the stars at night. i hope we see you again arthas
God, I love the “Invincible” music... it’s so haunting and beautiful. They knocked it out of the park with that song...
Arthas has one of the best character arcs that you actually witness and play through. That's what makes it so good. It's a very tragic arc, much like Darth Vader.
Every time I replay Warcraft 3 and see his arc, I'm immediately reminded of Anakin Skywalker.
They both cared so much about protecting their loved ones, that they lost sight and made decisions out of pure emotion and desperation.
Both ended up being the ultimate bad asses in their respective universe. What makes it so good is that both stories are relatable. You can see they wanted the best for the ones they swore to protect, only to turn and kill them all in the end.
Arthas is exactly a tragic hero, much like the ones living in Shakespeare’s writings and the Greek legends... doomed by fate from the start, how sad can one’s life possibly be...
“Could have been avoided if Arthas wasn’t being an idiot”…this sums up Arthas’s storyline. If the dude took a minute to focus and think things might not have ended up the way they did.
Arthas isn't one of the most iconic villain, he's pretty much the most iconic character PERIOD
Ur actually challangeing Darth Vader???
@@limanewb655 I'm talking warcraft mythos
Arthas was my favorite character. Even before he became the Lich The ONE TRUE LICH KING! I loved humans campaign then once he became a Death Knight I became an Undead mans. Arthas was a man who wanted to do anything to stop teh scourge n went to great lengths to basically keep his people safe. But ended up being corrupted and becoming the thing he didn't want to be, and had no way to rebel against what he had become but to embrace it.
P.S Theres more evidence that Frostmourne itself is what caused it all cuz when you have Arthas the Death knight theres a voice line where he says "Frostmourne hungers" or something to the lines of that. Basically implying Frostmourne has to devour I guess souls for power. And thats why he was killing people. My theory is that once its thirst got satisfied so to say, he was more so able to keep from just slaughtering everything. N that was the best he could do given how far he had been corrupted.
hiru 2023: Sylvanas did nothing wrong. xD
Petteri Tuovinem honestly I wouldn’t be surprised
Plot armor is thicc with that one. I dont see sylvanus die anytime soon.
Well... She didn't 👀
@JoJo is not an anime SPOILER: She will die in middle of quest chain in The Shadowlands
Petteri Tuovinem I don’t think you can come back from “The Horde is Nothing! You are all nothing!”
Great video!! Arthas is the Darth Vader of the WOW universe
He did right on purging Stratholme.
The place was beyond saving.
But he could have wait that every one dies and doing it afterwards or fall back from the city for example to defend lordaeron city. With these plans Uthar and Jaina would have supported him.
@@teejay4034 And let more undead to ran rampagers? No! Arthas was justified to do what he did it on Stratholme. There was no cure for the undead, death was the only solution.
@@linkzellda they were ran rampage already. They could have evacuate every town and village with organized fallback. The time day used to kill every living human and with fighting the undead , they could have just fallback and set the fight to a place that they control. As you mentioned Stratholme was beyond saving, so they should have to fall back. Specially because if he kills the people before turn, the undead can raise the manually dead ones too without the plague. If the corpses didnt burned. But burning the bodies is lot of time too, which can be used for preparing a next battle with more allies gathered.
@@teejay4034 And Arthas' plan is to prevent more rampagers, so he was justified to do what he did it.
@@linkzellda Yeah but the plan itself was less effective than any idea. Specially with the events afterwards. If he wouldn't went to northrend, defeating the ships to go home. They would have won the war. Also there was the option to travel west as Medivh told him. He wanted revenge on Malganis at that point, so he wasn't reasanable.
"April 1st" this is for real :'(
I know this is supposed to be for April Fools but this is *100% facts*
You just defined every April Fools video of Hiru ;b
The words April fools are hidden in the description of the video
i felt the same way about his garrosh one
@@Deleralia Garrosh was a terrible leader, and he doesn't have the excuse of being mind controlled. Even if you disregard all of the war crimes he committed against the Alliance and the neutral Pandaren, he repeatedly displayed his total inadequacy as a leader of the Horde.
And benign incompetence is one thing in a leader, but Garrosh intentionally tore the Horde apart. He sought to elevate orcs above everyone else, and gave no thought to the needs and desires of the other races within the Horde.
He saw the non-orcs among the Horde as nothing more than expendable soldiers, and it costed him virtually all of his allies. One by one, he gave every single one of the non-orc races a reason to despise him and turn against him in the end. He killed Cairne Bloodhoof and turned the Tauren against him, he attempted to dictate the Forsaken's methods of waging war while simultaneously encouraging them to start bloody wars with the Alliance that they couldn't win by conventional means, he forced the Blood Elves to take the fall for stealing the Divine Bell (Which led to them being exiled from Dalaran and having many of their people imprisoned or killed), he tried to assassinate Vol'jin simply for speaking out against his rule, he refused to pay the Goblins for the extremely dangerous work of unearthing the Heart of Y'Shaarj, and he kidnapped and tortured the leader of the Huojin Pandaren.
By the end, he had an unclouded intent to tear the Horde apart and remove all races except orcs from the face of the planet. He had bad intentions from the beginning, and he committed numerous atrocities in order to fulfill those intentions.
@@dragonslair951167 from the beggining he killed his general, because he killed innocents. I think he wasnt bad from the beggining.
If you read Christie Golden's book Arthas, it clearly states that there are three personalities trapped in the Lich King and there is a very cool "battle" scene in which one of the personalities wins.
"Father, is it over?" quote makes it irrelevant and fake. It was clearly a nightmare for him, which he realized after Frostmourne shattered. He was mind controlled, and a puppet of Ner Zhul.
While i agree that his actions in Strat were justified, they still scarred him deeply. When he reached the shores of Northrend he was already a changed man, having only vengeance in his mind. The Frostmourne made him a monster but by the time he picked the blade he was already lost.
Glad you made this! I always hated how Arthas was perceived as a villain, when in fact it was Ner’zhul that was the true villain. Arthas only tried to do what he thought was right. Stratholme was pivotal in the sense that he only had a small timeframe to make a hasty decision: let his people turn into the undead and suffer, or mercy kill them to save them from the eternal agony of undeath. I consider the Lich King a combination of Arthas + Ner’zhul, with Ner’zhul being the more dominant personality. So when people refer to the Lich King as Arthas, it makes me uneasy. Arthas was gone the second he picked up Frostmourne, and you can tell from his shift in speech during WC3. One of my favourite storylines EVER! 💙 Lich King forever lol 🤓
Well said. For me Arthas is kind of a hero. Sounds bad, but he did what needes to be done. There was no time to line up a city and vax them all. I hated to see him as a raid boss :( would prefer if they had made the scourge into a faction with warriors, death knights, necromancers, hunters and what not.
@@JBKNL me too! I rerolled death knight just to be as close as possible to any scourge lol (silly) and fulfill any duties for my king 🥶💙
@@Gorre022 like in Lotro you had the creeps. Wouldve loved to defend Icecrown or do invasions 😅
"when in fact it was Ner’zhul that was the true villain" you must deeply hate the jailer by now pepeplaugh
@@lordstarscreamy329 lol 😭 such bad writing
The quality hot takes I'm subscribed for. Thanks Hiru
Arthas has never been a villain, and has always been a tragic hero.
Stratlholme wasn't exactly his fault, though lorderon was. Can't wait to see him in Shadowlands
"The ends justify the means."
Sightless_Seeker For the greater good.
@@primedecanus5301 Sergaras was doing the same btw lol
The "means" often become the "ends".
the ends don't justify the means, the means determine who you are
Frostmourne took his soul first. His soul might've been in his own sword the entire time, explains why he comes to it when it's broken
Arthas´ story is my favourite one.
He is such an incredible written character! You can acually feel this insanity and obsession rising when you watch lore videos, read the book or play wc3 and wow.
He had this forced evil personality, like you said, while still having so much love left for jaina.
But he can´t be with her which is just another thing that tears him apart.
Best lovestory ever written!
dmn goosebumps...
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
What was so well written about Arthas's arc throughout the WotLK was that how perfectly it made sense. The pre-frostmourn Arthas was able to nudge post-frostmourn Arthas to let go of his DK to aid Argent Crusade and the players in the scheme to gather the most powerful fighting force in the Azeroth to his doorstep. This is both Arthas wanted since Pre Arthas wanted to have all the heroes of the Azeroth to gather to defeat Lich King, and Post-Arthas wanted the same, so he can convert them into his Death Knights.
If you read the book you truly did feel bad for arthas, he never would have wanted to do all the evil things he ended up doing. When you see how popular his character is and how many people don’t truly know his entire story and backstory it’s insane just how far he was willing to go to protect what he loved
I recall clearly the gleam of pride in his eye as he stood before me, eager to defeat the enemies of the Light...
Eager to defend his people, no matter the cost.
*It is this memory of Arthas that I choose to keep in my heart.*
Garrosh and Arthas are two of my favorite villains in WoW, and to see they did nothing wrong videos is funny as hell
what did he do wrong?
Arthas did nothing wrong but Garrosh did wrong.
1) Betrayed his mentor to butcher an entire city that could have been quarantined
2) Killed his own people thinking it was the best thing to do and refused to listen to reason or show mercy
3) Betrayed his men leaving them stranded in Icecrown while he continued to hunt down Mal'Ganis thinking that he was in charge of the Scourge
4) Allowed himself to be consumed by his pride and let himself be lead into a trap dooming countless people in the process
5) Brought the High Elves to near extinction while resurrecting a dead necromancer
6) Brought to ruin Lordaeron after he killed his own father
7) Brought to ruin Dalaran and butchered most of the mages
8) Killed his men soon after he killed Mal'Ganis then sailed back to Lordaeron
9) Mercilessly hunted down the last survivors of Lordaeron and the remaining Paladins of the order
10) Didn't bother to explain to Uther in a few short sentences (with Jaina's help but I guess she was too busy twirling her fingers or something back then) what the Plague actually does and flips his "This entire city must be purged" switch
Sure... he didn't do anything wrong...
1) Betrayed His Mentor Who Abandoned Him In the City And He Purged A City that is lost, as he said and I Quote "Oh No, We're Too Late. These People Have All been Infected, They may be fine now. but it's a matter of time before they turn into the undead. If the city was lost. The Entire Population would swarm lordareon with countless undead. Keep in mind that Stratholme is the 2nd LARGEST city in Lordaeron with the RPG lore saying 25,000 People, Which is false because its non-canon. You can think that its mostly 100,000 Due to Lordaeron being heavily Populated At that time. Keep in mind that Northlands Or Plaguelands were densely populated with probably farmers coming there and out everyday.
2, He Killed His on people because they are monsters, as soon as arthas came to the city. the people he knew weren't people. "And When Arthas Came at the city gates, The People he knew turned into the undead. in a matter of seconds. Stratholme became a hellhole.
3) What the fuck? are you on crack? Drakthorn Keep was in the forgotten shores. It was far from Frostmourne's Location it was near Zul'Drak Not to mention that the wow Mapping was an inaccurate clusterfuck compared to Wc3 And all of his troops died within the cave, he did not abbandon anyone. the inaccurasies of the cave fucked the geography of the game
4) He has no pride, "I will sacrifice anything, or pay any price if only would save my people"
5) So as the high elves driving humans to extinction in the First War.
6) Lordaeron Was Already in ruins thanks to the plague. Arthas did what ner'zhul Forced him to do, He had no free will towards his own life. because he wasnt as equal as ner'zhul
7) Dalaran Was Keeping Fel Magic And Again, He Was Not Himself at the moment, The Dreadlord Insurgents Attacked Dalaran Far Before arthas did, Destroying its key defences of the city when arthas became an undead. alerting dalaran to its Defences early on.
8) 8 Arthas was not himself, again.
9) Again, Ner'zhul Forced Arthas. he cannot disobey
10) Here is their Conversation:
Arthas: As if I could forget. Listen, Uther, there's something about the plague you should know...
Arthas: Oh, no. We're too late. These people have all been infected! They may look fine now, but it's just a matter of time before they turn into the undead!
Uther the Lightbringer: What?
Arthas: This entire city must be purged.
Uther the Lightbringer: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Arthas: Damn it, Uther! As your future king, I order you to purge this city!
Uther the Lightbringer: You are not my king yet, boy! Nor would I obey that command even if you were!
Arthas: Then I must consider this an act of treason.
Uther the Lightbringer: Treason? Have you lost your mind, Arthas?
Arthas: Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and the sovereignty of my crown, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your paladins from service.
Arthas Told Uther That they are infected, and must be killed in an instant
"The Frostmourne"
i Always felt arthas and the lich king were seperate when it came to who was in control arthas didnt do anything wrong however the lich king did
What's that piano music at the end? I really like it
I agree that the Culling of Stratholme was tragic but necessary, but none of his other actions were justified. He didn't go after Mal'ganis to save his kingdom; he did it for revenge. When Terenas commanded that the army return home, Arthas burned the fleet and blamed it on the mercenaries he hired. He ignored Muradin's warning about Frostmourne, and didn't even bat an eye when he was (seemingly) killed. Then he murdered his own father and became the Lich King's Champion, and eventually the Lich King himself.
I realize this is an April Fool's joke. That said, the Sylvanas and Garrosh ones you did were a lot more convincing. For this one all you did was shift the blame for all of Arthas' actions onto other characters so he has no accountability.
but it kinda be like that sometimes though
Obviously it's going to be more convincing. Arthas vs Garrosh isn't even comparable.
Read the book. 🙄
the joke is that there is no joke..