I agree. I have 3rd party Plug ins that are better then what is offered by Studio one, And was not aware that fender had taken over. I know they did something with Positive Grid. I will not be upgrading.
Nope! In fact, I'm moving away from presonus, Returning the Quantum hd I bought last month and going another route. Shouldn't have to constantly "Upgrade" a Perpetual License. and the hardware return is a direct protest and it has issues with the Auto Gain "Feature"
I can't say at this point for sure. But probably not. Because presonus typically roll out new additions to S1 over the years. So I doubt they will catch up to the level they would have to, with version 7.0. And I will absolutely be looking for a sale price for the update. Because their current pricing is complete cr*p for current owners of a Pro license.
Until now I'm still on version 5 and I'm comfortable and to this day I'm still in awe of those who have it. To record manually the voice, guitar and other things you have in your environment. Maybe next time
As a mix and master engineer, I use Studio One as you do and never had to upgrade since Studio One Pro 4 honestly and I think I'm staying on it. It's largely enough to host any 3rd party plugins I need
Her's a saying that fits well for this scenario: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I've been using Studio One for five years and I really like it. But, I've even stopped doing the little intermittent updats. No need for 7. All of these companies are very adept at creating a need and then filling it. It's a common marketing strategy.
I went back to Cubase last week. Updating Cubase Elements on sale every 12 to 18 months will cost 15 euros, Artist 40 euros and Pro 50 euros. Why on earth would I want to pay 149 dollars per year for Studio One?
@@ronnyb5890 I switched back to Cubase last week after jumping around for about 7 years between more DAWs than I'd like to admit. I'm overjoyed. Each DAW has something it does better or worse than the other. Cubase is my middle ground with the best balance between music production editing and mixing. Finally home.
How much did Cubase cost you initially though? You should amortize that into your calculations and do the same for Studio One before making any comparisons to pricing structures.
@@brymusic1542 steinber did a 40 year celebration, cubase 13 pro was only $180 +21% tax included, studio one 7 was $149 but you had to pay +21% tax, wich makes the price the same,the upgrades per year however is another thing, $149+21% tax for studio one, and $50 NO tax for cubase like i said, a no brainer
apologies I'm not very good with my definitions, but if I purchase this Studio One Pro 7 will I be able to add vests that are not from persons like Omnisphere or stuff like that? Or no
@@JonahAbraham-b3v sure, it has been a feature at every profesional edition of studio one. The other versions, like artist o prime, are the ones that does not has that feature.
Really liked your video and analysis, I recently grabbed their 6 plus 7 offer (where you purchase Studio One Professional on or after August 1 and will get the 7 plus a year of upgrades) and I like the idea of owning the software even without knowing what's coming in the next upgrade, I don't like Studio One 7?, I can just stay with 6 forever. Got yourself a new sub!
Absolutely spot on.... everything , and I mean everything , you said is exactly the same as myself... I only use for audio instruments except for Superior Drummer ... Had professional version since version 3... Always updated to the new version even though I've never ever used any of the features... I've never even used the Chord Pad or scratch pad etc.... For the first time though I'm really not sure about Studio One 7....not one feature has been announced with 8 days to go....who on earth would purchase something without knowing of any changes 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻.... no doubt some people will have already paid for it and I honestly don't understand that... as its standing at the moment I'm planning on just staying with Studio One 6 Professional... that already does so much more than I need or use... Great video 👍
Love your wishlist of features! I recently upgraded to 6 (in May, sadly) and I'll wait and see what tomorrow brings in terms of features, but I'm not optimistic there'll be much of interest to me. My problem with S1 is that like yourself, it seems more and more focused on the needs of loop and beat makers, EDM music makers, etc. rather than people recording real musicians with real instruments. I don't know why they keep their focus, and target markets, narrowed like that.
I agree with Chris, Studio one pro 7 does not look interesting for my way of using a DAW. Version 6 is a great update , i payed once for an upgrade and don't remember if it was 5 or 6 but it worth the value : Dolby atmos, Sound Variation for virtual instrument editing (great feature) , and the mastering section is very useful. And finally ,i rarely use Plug from DAW's same with protools , so i don't need those beacause i work with third party Instruments and effects Pluins...
For me that announcement was purely so they can gather pre-release feedback on the annual upgrade idea. The normal showcase comes on the 9th October. They need to get back to working on the DAW itself, improving workflow, MIDI features, and mostly stability. Existing users like you say will mostly already have stacks of better VSTs from the likes of NI, Izotope, UAD etc, or if not will naturally acquire them as they feel the need But the DAW itself could be the best one on the market if they would continue to focus on that, but that doesn't appear the game plan anymore. Hence will likely upgrade only when I see value in those areas and just bought Cubase 13 as a second DAW just in case it doesn't.
yeah feels like the party might be coming to an end. Great UI but needs some bugfixing and tweaking - not a load of shiny new ‘features’ and mid level content.
Sorry - but you're asking the question "Shoud you upgrade?" a bit early. It will only be appropriate once the details for v7 have been announced. Plus I don't know why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about the announcement that Joe and Gregor made - it wasn't about features; it was about pricing. Lastly, if anyone is on Artist, then I think its a no-brainer to upgrade, whatever new features are announced.
Thank you for the input. I currently use Studio One 5 Professional and I love it. I'm trying real hard to find a reason to update. I'm also not sure about the pricing of the upgrade. There are a lot of loyal users of Studio One . I paid a lot more when I upgraded to 5 than new users will be paying for 7. Eventually, I will probably follow the pack, but for now, I'll stay the course. Also, I do agree with you on the video editing. That would probably sway me. Thanks
I would honestly camp out at 5 as long as you can 😅 I’ve had 5, 6, and 7… not much I can speak of but if you’re able to do what you need to do then save that money for now 😁
Hey Chris Very logical your thinking, especially why not to upgrade. Like you, the music I do is Guitar, Drums, Keyboard and Vocals. And like you, I use Studio One like a Multi-Track Recorder. My guitars are old school like me, a 66 fender Jazzmaster. I play through a Fender Deluxe Reverb. I'm not big on effects but if I need one, I have my Katana MKII amp. I own a Taylor and a Martin for Acoustics. For Keyboard I have a Roland FP-E50 with over 1,000 Voices. Drums? I use a Roland TR-707 Plugin (My hardware TR-707 died on me sometime ago). My first reaction with the announcement was for $50 more I could pick up Logic Pro. I do understand they need to make money, and Fender is going to figure out a way to do it. I can stick with Version 6, I'm happy with what I've got.😀
I’m also glad they’re not 100% subscription based.. otherwise I would also be looking at Logic 😅 The price does seem steep but it would also depend on their frequency of updates.. I’m not looking to spend $149 every 12 months on minor, incremental improvements 😩 Im quite jealous of your Deluxe Reverb 😁 I foolishly sold mine because it was too loud at home
@@heychrisgreen Yes! The Deluxe is loud. I keep the volume at around 2. I had an original 65 when I was a kid in a band, my current is a 65 reissue. Just a great amp. In the 80's I started to take piano lessons, started on a Casio CT7000. I was hot for a real Synth and bought an Ensoniq ESQ-1. I needed a amp that could handle guitar and keyboard. I purchased a Roland JC-120. The Roland JC-120 of the 80's had line inputs (Current Models do not) I traded that in on a Precision Bass (Dumb). Which I forgot to mention I have a Ibanez bass and a little Gorilla Bass amp. I record the Bass through a DI Box.
I got Studio One Artist with my new Sweetwater Creation Station and while I do like it, I don't think I'll upgrade - at least until I see the feature set. I have many plug-ins as well to do anything I want, and I also have a Reason license so that's a VST with a TON of synths if I want that. It is ODD they make (so far) no mention of the features.
Actually, there will be new "Deep Flight" instrument that was announced in the video. But you might've tuned that part out based on how you use S1, and your later comments on the option paralysis you get from presence, Impact XT, and the like. But, I'm sure there'll a lot more on store for this new version that will be made public upon release.
I use my DAW probably 80% Midi, and not so much recording instruments in a room. So, Midi editing improvements are great for me. Sort of the opposite of what Chris uses his DAW for. To each his own. I'll be upgrading to V7!
its worth it to me if they are including all the extensions and virtual instruments. the harmony wizard is $40, the orechestra they have is $99. that's already $150. if they want to compete with logic they are going to need to upgrade their instruments and libraries. Logic comes with 70 GB of libraries of sounds. I personally like using all that stuff. Logic has a bunch of synths but they have an orchestra library, horns and much more. They need a really good synth for a variety of stuff. Logic also has a mellotron and a B3 organ. If they include all that in studio one its already worth it to me. But that's really a person choice. They also need to include some plugins they dont already have like a transient designer , some type of 4 band EQ, a multiband saturator among others, they also need a maximizer. i personally dont like using limiters for mastering. I also hope they include their bus comp that doesnt come with pro version 6 but is included in the subscription model.
As a "tape machine" style DAW (as opposed to sample mangling, looping, or live performances) it might be interesting to hear your experience trying Reaper or Luna if you wanted to branch out from S1. On the video end, what about DaVinci Resolve (and its Fairlight audio editing section)? I think Reaper also does video editing.
i had studio one 4, my windows 7 went unsupported. when i went to windows 10 i cant log in the studio one 4 it self. its throws up error code 200. and it wont let me in the program. a this point i have nothing so i am thinking why not just upgrade. anyone know if i can still some how use version 4?
I am like you - guitar, drums plus a few virtual instruments. I actually completed a CD using Version 3 Artist and only subscribed and upgraded to 6 Pro to get the Lyrcs track, the Arranger track and the Mastering capability. I am a subscriber at the moment but most of the additions lately - Atmos etc - I have no use for so unless something fairly amazing is included in version 7 I will wait until my current subscription runs out and then I can have a perpetual license at the end of my subscription (which, as an existing subscriber, I got cheaper anyway). Like you, I find the emphasis to be on EDM, Rap etc nowadays with lots of videos about making beats. Version 6 fits me needs admirably and I will probably get Version 7 as it will be mine automatically but I won´t be spending any extra money.
I completely agree, I also just record 'real' instruments and am more than happy with S1 6 Pro (if less so about some bugs that are not getting fixed). I mean, stem seperation was already free in Audacity for several months and is hardly a reason to upgrade ... However, I feel that Presonus is started to get real pushy on us moving to the subscription model. I mean, closing the forums tot non-subscription users is just lame, and as a customer with northwards of 3500 Euros of Presonus gear I feel cheated. Support, although responsive, was not stellar and did not provide solutions to some of my problems in S1 (wrong reporting of latencies, failure of some midi import's that been happening for ages in S1). I hope they understand that brand loyalty can be a fickle thing and can easily be lost ('It comes on foot, but leaves on a horse!).
I see a lot of people already dismissing while it's not even out yet...... I hear people complaining with price issues and then finding out it's not the right conclusion...
For me it’s simple, if they don’t give me an actual sampler that I can chop in , similar to maschine it’s a no upgrade for me, how long before they get that. I shouldn’t have to use a third party sampler
they should really implement video playback into the show page for all in one (backing tracks + video projection) experience...that'd be something that nobody does and everybody needs
I've been window shopping for a new DAW since that announcement video. I'm thinking Cubase at the moment. This is just a subscription in disguise. They know that the majority of people are gonna upgrade every year. I haven't heard a single thing about pricing if you don't upgrade every year. Do I have to pay the full $199 if I skip a year? This all just comes across as a giant cash grab. One of the things I liked most about Studio One was the fact that upgrades were only every couple of years. It gave me a chance to have it for a while and get some of my money's worth out of it. I'm looking for the door. Same as for my Waves plug ins. Screw that update plan. It's a subscription in disguise.
Sounded to me that the upgrade fee for a perpetual license would be $149. Not awful of you go 2-3 years on a version. I stayed on v3 for almost 6 years and was happy with it. Only updated when I bought a Revelator, otherwise I’d probably still be on 3.
Thanks for a great video. I’m a long time S1 user since v2, but started with it burning Red Book CD’s/ DDP master. I’m also a longtime PT, Logic, Ableton user, but S1 is my preferred DAW. I’m not confident about the future with S1 and have been looking around… For me the strengths with S1 are: - Chord bar when writing and export to Notion/Dorico. - The Atmos mixing and to switch between Dolby and Apple. - Melodyne integration. - Low latency monitoring with their sound cards. But otherwise there all other DAWs do the same. S1 is quick… Let’s see what S1 7 gives.
I remember Avid doing the same with Pro Tools if you didn't renew within the 12 month window and you then had to pay a premium to get current again. Nasty business model. Hoping renewal fee for PS1 is same if we renew within 12 months or a later date. As like previous versions will happily wait for a sale to do so.
I went back to Cubase last week. Updating Cubase Elements on sale every 12 to 18 months will cost 15 euros, Artist 40 euros and Pro 50 euros. Why on earth would I want to pay 149 dollars per year for Studio One?
For audio recording I think everything I do in Studio One V6 was present in version 2. Only reason to update is for operating system compatibility. I think Presonus built their customer base largely by bundling artist with hardware so I’m a little sad to see them ignore that market. This is no longer a daw I would recommend for beginners as I have in the past. Will also probably reduce interface sales.
Good to know 😳 I’ve not had any crashes just yet, but I’m still using it like it might as well be version 3 😂 The launcher is a headache to me but again.. I’m a dinosaur 🙂
Since there is ZERO specifics on what V 7 will include, one has to speculate, and my guess is the promised new features several times a year, will turn out to be slightly updated stuff that was previously available at the Presonus Store, or via a Sphere subscription, in other words, stuff you probably never needed or wanted, or even more likely, if already a V6 Pro user, already have better versions of by somebody else. Its seems from their complete lack of openness on the details [raises strong suspicion], they might be asking you to pay each year for what essentially could turn out to be bloatware. Also, I'd be taking a magnifying glass to the new terms and conditions when V7 is released, as if they include a lot of the stuff from Sphere, you might end up with a clause saying Presonus wants to use your creations for A.I. learning, which ends up with your creations ending up being sold by Presonus, Adobe has done this with Photos and has had a huge backlash over it.......just beware.
Presonus does not respect those who bought versions up to the sixth, upgraded each time, spent each time. When we see that for a newcomer the acquisition price is only slightly higher than that of the old customer who should soon add even more. And this mystery about the content to come! Have you ever seen such an attitude in other commercial areas? I am thinking of migrating to another company as soon as possible. Because this middle finger is absolutely not philosophically musical. This trap calls for a strong reaction from users!
Judging by the leaked screenshot, I’m all for the new session view like Ableton/Bitwig. I prefer how S1 looks over Ableton, but the functionality of containers that are also found in Bitwig is something that I’d like to see incorporated. Each Impact XT cell could have a Sampler XT assigned per pad, or being able to add an instrument on a pad. An update to some of their stock plugins would be great also. They are pretty far behind compared to Cubase/FL Studio/Ableton/Bitwig on stock instrument/FX
I will not upgrade. I do mostly Podcast, layering some Musicparts underneath. A little bit Sounddynamics (Comp, EQ etc) and a little bit Mastering. For this Version 5 Artist is already Overkill. But my biggest Reason: As much as I love SO - I do not like the Leaning towards Yearly Lizenses - because thats what it really is: A Subscription. There are no real new Versions - its just "Adobe like" Updates. If I ever want to change a Thing - I will go to Reaper. Why? Its just a DAW. No AI, No nothing extra - all my Plugins are Universal Audio, Sonible and Waves and a a Bunch of others (I use just Compressor from SO for Ducking - i can do this easely with most Comps) - so, I personally need basically just a DAW - and Reaper is very good in beeing just that.
The inability or reluctance of presonus to not include updates that reflect parenting from fender is a major disappointment in studio 1. The synth heralded with fanfare at last update was heinously underwhelming. Sadly I’ve heard reports and seen that they’re shaping like logic and upgrading a clip launching device. Once again ignoring users who like to perform music because they can.
They havent convinced me to uograde since 5. I use Studio One 5 as a tape machine more than a sophisticated daw. Unless they make it better as a tape machine I see no point.
Not upgrading. It does NOT come with all of their extensions, only the virtual instruments. The mix and console plugins are part of the + version. The features are so small in number that in the release notes they actually started listing all the new macro commands available just to make it look a bit more impressive. And not a single mention on the issues fixed, and there are quite some features that need fixing. Upgrading only saves you $30 over a full + subscription which includes a perpetual license, so you just might as well wait a bit. And as a Pro user who also bought the batch convertor, PresenceXT editor and some of the now included sample packs and effects, I think its a disgrace that I need to pay the same upgrade fee as an Artist user and a $30 discount on new users. That is, if I do not want cloud feature, as then there is no discount. Just the same price as new users. So, no. Not this time.
Version 6 had nothing I needed. I don’t think version 7 will either. Stem separation is not a feature I have a use for, nor was immersive audio. $149 to upgrade from Artist, $149 to upgrade from Pro? Thank’s for the loyalty to those who have been updating each year, Presonus. With the new licensing, I don’t see myself upgrading. Actually, I see myself moving to another DAW. YMMV
Good video, definitely sharing the sentiment about the focus on features I also don't really use most of the time, since I'm already covered by external libraries I've accumulated throughout the years. Probably waiting to upgrade, if there isn't any major reason. What's still bothering me is, that while Presonus wants to market S1 as a DAW where everything's possible, coming from Reaper and Cubase (don't talk about PT, definitely not missing that era..) I still feel very limited in some areas. For instance, not being able to route a MIDI track to multiple audio tracks is just mind boggling to me, as it's a very basic routing feature in most other DAWs and enables me to use one MIDI tracks for triggering Trigger 2 samples on multiple tracks when I want to mix and match them, which has been an integral part of my workflow back in the day and I still miss it. Also the bug around randomly jumping automation lanes of FX tracks is still there and made me want to stop using automation tracks for FX tracks altogether, even though I sometimes need them. When applying fader movements on some automation lanes, they will sometimes just jump to the top of the track screen and even jump out of their respective bus. Reported it twice, no fix so far. Couldn't care less about new VIs, but some basic features should work at least. 😕
That is hilarious… At the most we are talking about $200 for the full version. Pro Tools pro is about $ 900. Logic Pro is $250. Cubase pro is $550. There you go. And let’s be honest, $200 for your workhorse DAW and main tool, $200 is $0,54 a day. 1/6 of the price of your morning coffee… or 20 Starbucks 😊. Why such a fuss over the cheapest prices ever for such a complete and reliable DAW ?
$149/year is cheap if you are a professional, i"m a hobbyist, cubase updates are $50, and because of this ridiculous stance from presonus, i went for the 40 years cubase reduction, $180 +NO tax for cubase 13 PRO, instead of $149 +21% tax for studio one PRO 7, i also disagree with them that artist users (wich costs a lot less) can upgrade for the same price as PRO users, i call that spitting in PRO users eyes, anyway, everyone is free to do what they want, cheers
@@ronnyb5890 I think you can buy it for $200. You would get free updates until version 8. So if you keep it for a while, it is cheap. As you said, you are a hobbyist, so you could use Reaper and other very cheap options if money is that tight…
@@wallacewallets7557 I am biased. I am 63 sound engineer, and I owned 2 recording studios : API 48 channels, Otari 24 tracks with Dolby SR, and the real deal gear at $3000 a pop. Still have most of them but my clients budget don’t allow me to use them anymore. Too much time consuming… So when I read that $200 might be an issue, or a plug-in Neve compressor at $40 is way too expensive, I find it very funny. Especially when my younger clients tell me « well, $200 for that DAW, I will have to think about it » taking a sip out of their $12 Starbuck coffee and texting on their IPhone 13😁
Are you upgrading to version 7?? Why or why not? 🤔
I agree. I have 3rd party Plug ins that are better then what is offered by Studio one, And was not aware that fender had taken over. I know they did something with Positive Grid. I will not be upgrading.
Nope! In fact, I'm moving away from presonus, Returning the Quantum hd I bought last month and going another route. Shouldn't have to constantly "Upgrade" a Perpetual License. and the hardware return is a direct protest and it has issues with the Auto Gain "Feature"
I can't say at this point for sure. But probably not. Because presonus typically roll out new additions to S1 over the years. So I doubt they will catch up to the level they would have to, with version 7.0. And I will absolutely be looking for a sale price for the update. Because their current pricing is complete cr*p for current owners of a Pro license.
Until now I'm still on version 5 and I'm comfortable and to this day I'm still in awe of those who have it. To record manually the voice, guitar and other things you have in your environment. Maybe next time
I'm in the wait and see camp. I have been uprgrading every other year. With the way software is released now I don't want to deal with all the bugs.
As a mix and master engineer, I use Studio One as you do and never had to upgrade since Studio One Pro 4 honestly and I think I'm staying on it. It's largely enough to host any 3rd party plugins I need
Nice, I’ve been running 5 for a few years and am happy with it myself. Don’t really feel the need to upgrade either
@@MadGunny indeed I guess it's more relevant for producers who use the Presonus VST instruments and all of that
It is time to stop naming versions, we are only getting updates. A true up grade would be a rebuild, not a feature add on.
Tell that to Adobe.
They need to implement multicore/multithread CPU usage.
Her's a saying that fits well for this scenario: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I've been using Studio One for five years and I really like it. But, I've even stopped doing the little intermittent updats. No need for 7. All of these companies are very adept at creating a need and then filling it. It's a common marketing strategy.
I went back to Cubase last week. Updating Cubase Elements on sale every 12 to 18 months will cost 15 euros, Artist 40 euros and Pro 50 euros. Why on earth would I want to pay 149 dollars per year for Studio One?
yep, just like with adobe, presonus just shot itself in the foot, i'm learning cubase now, $50/y for an upgrade, not $149
@@ronnyb5890 Absolutely.
@@ronnyb5890 I switched back to Cubase last week after jumping around for about 7 years between more DAWs than I'd like to admit. I'm overjoyed. Each DAW has something it does better or worse than the other. Cubase is my middle ground with the best balance between music production editing and mixing. Finally home.
How much did Cubase cost you initially though? You should amortize that into your calculations and do the same for Studio One before making any comparisons to pricing structures.
@@brymusic1542 steinber did a 40 year celebration, cubase 13 pro was only $180
+21% tax included, studio one 7 was $149
but you had to pay +21% tax, wich makes the price the same,the upgrades per year however is another thing, $149+21% tax for studio one, and $50 NO tax for cubase
like i said, a no brainer
The main concerns to upgrade or not I see from others are:
1. Bug fixes.
2. Engine improvements, like faster CPU & loading etc
apologies I'm not very good with my definitions, but if I purchase this Studio One Pro 7 will I be able to add vests that are not from persons like Omnisphere or stuff like that? Or no
@@JonahAbraham-b3v sure, it has been a feature at every profesional edition of studio one. The other versions, like artist o prime, are the ones that does not has that feature.
Really liked your video and analysis, I recently grabbed their 6 plus 7 offer (where you purchase Studio One Professional on or after August 1 and will get the 7 plus a year of upgrades) and I like the idea of owning the software even without knowing what's coming in the next upgrade, I don't like Studio One 7?, I can just stay with 6 forever. Got yourself a new sub!
Absolutely spot on.... everything , and I mean everything , you said is exactly the same as myself... I only use for audio instruments except for Superior Drummer ...
Had professional version since version 3...
Always updated to the new version even though I've never ever used any of the features... I've never even used the Chord Pad or scratch pad etc....
For the first time though I'm really not sure about Studio One 7....not one feature has been announced with 8 days to go....who on earth would purchase something without knowing of any changes 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻.... no doubt some people will have already paid for it and I honestly don't understand that... as its standing at the moment I'm planning on just staying with Studio One 6 Professional... that already does so much more than I need or use...
Great video 👍
Yes I just upgraded from artist and it was SO worth it cuz I got 30% on top of the 150 if you already have the software so I only paid 100
I'm staying on 5.
Me too. Really liked the video
Co-sign
Same. I’ve been on 5 a few years. Gonna use it a couple more too at least before I upgrade/jump to a different DAW
me to! Stick with 5 until there is a significant improvement!
Love your wishlist of features! I recently upgraded to 6 (in May, sadly) and I'll wait and see what tomorrow brings in terms of features, but I'm not optimistic there'll be much of interest to me. My problem with S1 is that like yourself, it seems more and more focused on the needs of loop and beat makers, EDM music makers, etc. rather than people recording real musicians with real instruments. I don't know why they keep their focus, and target markets, narrowed like that.
I agree with Chris, Studio one pro 7 does not look interesting for my way of using a DAW. Version 6 is a great update , i payed once for an upgrade and don't remember if it was 5 or 6 but it worth the value : Dolby atmos, Sound Variation for virtual instrument editing (great feature) , and the mastering section is very useful. And finally ,i rarely use Plug from DAW's same with protools , so i don't need those beacause i work with third party Instruments and effects Pluins...
And i donÙ't really use loop and all those DJ's kind of feature . I read music and play , old school..
I've been using Studio One V5 since 2022, it was around $107 and now I can get V7 for around $160 with taxes. The question is should I upgrade it?
I like the Tonemaster idea!
I’d even pay extra for it 💰💰😁
For me that announcement was purely so they can gather pre-release feedback on the annual upgrade idea. The normal showcase comes on the 9th October. They need to get back to working on the DAW itself, improving workflow, MIDI features, and mostly stability. Existing users like you say will mostly already have stacks of better VSTs from the likes of NI, Izotope, UAD etc, or if not will naturally acquire them as they feel the need But the DAW itself could be the best one on the market if they would continue to focus on that, but that doesn't appear the game plan anymore. Hence will likely upgrade only when I see value in those areas and just bought Cubase 13 as a second DAW just in case it doesn't.
yeah feels like the party might be coming to an end. Great UI but needs some bugfixing and tweaking - not a load of shiny new ‘features’ and mid level content.
Sorry - but you're asking the question "Shoud you upgrade?" a bit early. It will only be appropriate once the details for v7 have been announced. Plus I don't know why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about the announcement that Joe and Gregor made - it wasn't about features; it was about pricing. Lastly, if anyone is on Artist, then I think its a no-brainer to upgrade, whatever new features are announced.
Totally agree. Until I know the characteristics of version 7 I cannot consider updating or not.
Thank you for the input. I currently use Studio One 5 Professional and I love it. I'm trying real hard to find a reason to update. I'm also not sure about the pricing of the upgrade. There are a lot of loyal users of Studio One . I paid a lot more when I upgraded to 5 than new users will be paying for 7. Eventually, I will probably follow the pack, but for now, I'll stay the course. Also, I do agree with you on the video editing. That would probably sway me. Thanks
I would honestly camp out at 5 as long as you can 😅 I’ve had 5, 6, and 7… not much I can speak of but if you’re able to do what you need to do then save that money for now 😁
Hey Chris Very logical your thinking, especially why not to upgrade. Like you, the music I do is Guitar, Drums, Keyboard and Vocals. And like you, I use Studio One like a Multi-Track Recorder. My guitars are old school like me, a 66 fender Jazzmaster. I play through a Fender Deluxe Reverb. I'm not big on effects but if I need one, I have my Katana MKII amp. I own a Taylor and a Martin for Acoustics. For Keyboard I have a Roland FP-E50 with over 1,000 Voices. Drums? I use a Roland TR-707 Plugin (My hardware TR-707 died on me sometime ago). My first reaction with the announcement was for $50 more I could pick up Logic Pro. I do understand they need to make money, and Fender is going to figure out a way to do it. I can stick with Version 6, I'm happy with what I've got.😀
I’m also glad they’re not 100% subscription based.. otherwise I would also be looking at Logic 😅 The price does seem steep but it would also depend on their frequency of updates.. I’m not looking to spend $149 every 12 months on minor, incremental improvements 😩 Im quite jealous of your Deluxe Reverb 😁 I foolishly sold mine because it was too loud at home
@@heychrisgreen Yes! The Deluxe is loud. I keep the volume at around 2. I had an original 65 when I was a kid in a band, my current is a 65 reissue. Just a great amp. In the 80's I started to take piano lessons, started on a Casio CT7000. I was hot for a real Synth and bought an Ensoniq ESQ-1. I needed a amp that could handle guitar and keyboard. I purchased a Roland JC-120. The Roland JC-120 of the 80's had line inputs (Current Models do not) I traded that in on a Precision Bass (Dumb). Which I forgot to mention I have a Ibanez bass and a little Gorilla Bass amp. I record the Bass through a DI Box.
I got Studio One Artist with my new Sweetwater Creation Station and while I do like it, I don't think I'll upgrade - at least until I see the feature set. I have many plug-ins as well to do anything I want, and I also have a Reason license so that's a VST with a TON of synths if I want that. It is ODD they make (so far) no mention of the features.
I will reserve any decision until I know what v7 offers and whether the cost is right.
Actually, there will be new "Deep Flight" instrument that was announced in the video. But you might've tuned that part out based on how you use S1, and your later comments on the option paralysis you get from presence, Impact XT, and the like. But, I'm sure there'll a lot more on store for this new version that will be made public upon release.
I use my DAW probably 80% Midi, and not so much recording instruments in a room. So, Midi editing improvements are great for me. Sort of the opposite of what Chris uses his DAW for. To each his own. I'll be upgrading to V7!
its worth it to me if they are including all the extensions and virtual instruments. the harmony wizard is $40, the orechestra they have is $99. that's already $150. if they want to compete with logic they are going to need to upgrade their instruments and libraries. Logic comes with 70 GB of libraries of sounds. I personally like using all that stuff. Logic has a bunch of synths but they have an orchestra library, horns and much more. They need a really good synth for a variety of stuff. Logic also has a mellotron and a B3 organ. If they include all that in studio one its already worth it to me. But that's really a person choice. They also need to include some plugins they dont already have like a transient designer , some type of 4 band EQ, a multiband saturator among others, they also need a maximizer. i personally dont like using limiters for mastering. I also hope they include their bus comp that doesnt come with pro version 6 but is included in the subscription model.
Would be nice if they offer amp profiling.
The only thing I'm interested in is clip lunch that already exit in Ableton and Bitwig
have you tried the clip launch in logic pro?
As a "tape machine" style DAW (as opposed to sample mangling, looping, or live performances) it might be interesting to hear your experience trying Reaper or Luna if you wanted to branch out from S1. On the video end, what about DaVinci Resolve (and its Fairlight audio editing section)? I think Reaper also does video editing.
i had studio one 4, my windows 7 went unsupported. when i went to windows 10 i cant log in the studio one 4 it self. its throws up error code 200. and it wont let me in the program. a this point i have nothing so i am thinking why not just upgrade. anyone know if i can still some how use version 4?
Probably delete the app and re-downloaded it
Also look at the owners manual
@@mehlek23 delete studio one 4 and reinstall?
I am like you - guitar, drums plus a few virtual instruments. I actually completed a CD using Version 3 Artist and only subscribed and upgraded to 6 Pro to get the Lyrcs track, the Arranger track and the Mastering capability. I am a subscriber at the moment but most of the additions lately - Atmos etc - I have no use for so unless something fairly amazing is included in version 7 I will wait until my current subscription runs out and then I can have a perpetual license at the end of my subscription (which, as an existing subscriber, I got cheaper anyway). Like you, I find the emphasis to be on EDM, Rap etc nowadays with lots of videos about making beats. Version 6 fits me needs admirably and I will probably get Version 7 as it will be mine automatically but I won´t be spending any extra money.
I can't even open up studio one 6 on my mac mini m1 ..it crashes everytime i try to open it...(ugh)
....end up buying logic pro
I completely agree, I also just record 'real' instruments and am more than happy with S1 6 Pro (if less so about some bugs that are not getting fixed). I mean, stem seperation was already free in Audacity for several months and is hardly a reason to upgrade ...
However, I feel that Presonus is started to get real pushy on us moving to the subscription model. I mean, closing the forums tot non-subscription users is just lame, and as a customer with northwards of 3500 Euros of Presonus gear I feel cheated. Support, although responsive, was not stellar and did not provide solutions to some of my problems in S1 (wrong reporting of latencies, failure of some midi import's that been happening for ages in S1). I hope they understand that brand loyalty can be a fickle thing and can easily be lost ('It comes on foot, but leaves on a horse!).
I see a lot of people already dismissing while it's not even out yet...... I hear people complaining with price issues and then finding out it's not the right conclusion...
A proper strum feature. And make splitter a fully fledged plugin with bypass and all
For me it’s simple, if they don’t give me an actual sampler that I can chop in , similar to maschine it’s a no upgrade for me, how long before they get that. I shouldn’t have to use a third party sampler
they should really implement video playback into the show page for all in one (backing tracks + video projection) experience...that'd be something that nobody does and everybody needs
I hope that Ampire get an update
Still waiting for a scrub tool. 🙁
I've been window shopping for a new DAW since that announcement video. I'm thinking Cubase at the moment. This is just a subscription in disguise. They know that the majority of people are gonna upgrade every year. I haven't heard a single thing about pricing if you don't upgrade every year. Do I have to pay the full $199 if I skip a year? This all just comes across as a giant cash grab. One of the things I liked most about Studio One was the fact that upgrades were only every couple of years. It gave me a chance to have it for a while and get some of my money's worth out of it. I'm looking for the door. Same as for my Waves plug ins. Screw that update plan. It's a subscription in disguise.
Sounded to me that the upgrade fee for a perpetual license would be $149. Not awful of you go 2-3 years on a version. I stayed on v3 for almost 6 years and was happy with it. Only updated when I bought a Revelator, otherwise I’d probably still be on 3.
Thanks for a great video. I’m a long time S1 user since v2, but started with it burning Red Book CD’s/ DDP master. I’m also a longtime PT, Logic, Ableton user, but S1 is my preferred DAW.
I’m not confident about the future with S1 and have been looking around…
For me the strengths with S1 are:
- Chord bar when writing and export to Notion/Dorico.
- The Atmos mixing and to switch between Dolby and Apple.
- Melodyne integration.
- Low latency monitoring with their sound cards.
But otherwise there all other DAWs do the same. S1 is quick…
Let’s see what S1 7 gives.
I remember Avid doing the same with Pro Tools if you didn't renew within the 12 month window and you then had to pay a premium to get current again. Nasty business model. Hoping renewal fee for PS1 is same if we renew within 12 months or a later date. As like previous versions will happily wait for a sale to do so.
I went back to Cubase last week. Updating Cubase Elements on sale every 12 to 18 months will cost 15 euros, Artist 40 euros and Pro 50 euros. Why on earth would I want to pay 149 dollars per year for Studio One?
If you can't make $149 /year from making music, just use some free software for fun.
For audio recording I think everything I do in Studio One V6 was present in version 2. Only reason to update is for operating system compatibility. I think Presonus built their customer base largely by bundling artist with hardware so I’m a little sad to see them ignore that market. This is no longer a daw I would recommend for beginners as I have in the past. Will also probably reduce interface sales.
I use Studio One much the same as a digital version of a multi track tape machine just with unlimited tracks
Studio one user there for 5 years, this Studio one 7 version is so buggy.. not stable at all, a lot of crashes i had not faced before.
Good to know 😳 I’ve not had any crashes just yet, but I’m still using it like it might as well be version 3 😂 The launcher is a headache to me but again.. I’m a dinosaur 🙂
Since there is ZERO specifics on what V 7 will include, one has to speculate, and my guess is the promised new features several times a year, will turn out to be slightly updated stuff that was previously available at the Presonus Store, or via a Sphere subscription, in other words, stuff you probably never needed or wanted, or even more likely, if already a V6 Pro user, already have better versions of by somebody else. Its seems from their complete lack of openness on the details [raises strong suspicion], they might be asking you to pay each year for what essentially could turn out to be bloatware. Also, I'd be taking a magnifying glass to the new terms and conditions when V7 is released, as if they include a lot of the stuff from Sphere, you might end up with a clause saying Presonus wants to use your creations for A.I. learning, which ends up with your creations ending up being sold by Presonus, Adobe has done this with Photos and has had a huge backlash over it.......just beware.
Presonus does not respect those who bought versions up to the sixth, upgraded each time, spent each time. When we see that for a newcomer the acquisition price is only slightly higher than that of the old customer who should soon add even more. And this mystery about the content to come! Have you ever seen such an attitude in other commercial areas? I am thinking of migrating to another company as soon as possible. Because this middle finger is absolutely not philosophically musical. This trap calls for a strong reaction from users!
Judging by the leaked screenshot, I’m all for the new session view like Ableton/Bitwig. I prefer how S1 looks over Ableton, but the functionality of containers that are also found in Bitwig is something that I’d like to see incorporated. Each Impact XT cell could have a Sampler XT assigned per pad, or being able to add an instrument on a pad. An update to some of their stock plugins would be great also. They are pretty far behind compared to Cubase/FL Studio/Ableton/Bitwig on stock instrument/FX
You win!
I will not upgrade. I do mostly Podcast, layering some Musicparts underneath. A little bit Sounddynamics (Comp, EQ etc) and a little bit Mastering.
For this Version 5 Artist is already Overkill.
But my biggest Reason: As much as I love SO - I do not like the Leaning towards Yearly Lizenses - because thats what it really is: A Subscription.
There are no real new Versions - its just "Adobe like" Updates.
If I ever want to change a Thing - I will go to Reaper.
Why? Its just a DAW. No AI, No nothing extra - all my Plugins are Universal Audio, Sonible and Waves and a a Bunch of others (I use just Compressor from SO for Ducking - i can do this easely with most Comps) - so, I personally need basically just a DAW - and Reaper is very good in beeing just that.
The inability or reluctance of presonus to not include updates that reflect parenting from fender is a major disappointment in studio 1. The synth heralded with fanfare at last update was heinously underwhelming. Sadly I’ve heard reports and seen that they’re shaping like logic and upgrading a clip launching device. Once again ignoring users who like to perform music because they can.
They havent convinced me to uograde since 5. I use Studio One 5 as a tape machine more than a sophisticated daw. Unless they make it better as a tape machine I see no point.
Not upgrading.
It does NOT come with all of their extensions, only the virtual instruments. The mix and console plugins are part of the + version.
The features are so small in number that in the release notes they actually started listing all the new macro commands available just to make it look a bit more impressive. And not a single mention on the issues fixed, and there are quite some features that need fixing.
Upgrading only saves you $30 over a full + subscription which includes a perpetual license, so you just might as well wait a bit. And as a Pro user who also bought the batch convertor, PresenceXT editor and some of the now included sample packs and effects, I think its a disgrace that I need to pay the same upgrade fee as an Artist user and a $30 discount on new users. That is, if I do not want cloud feature, as then there is no discount. Just the same price as new users.
So, no. Not this time.
Version 6 had nothing I needed. I don’t think version 7 will either. Stem separation is not a feature I have a use for, nor was immersive audio.
$149 to upgrade from Artist, $149 to upgrade from Pro? Thank’s for the loyalty to those who have been updating each year, Presonus.
With the new licensing, I don’t see myself upgrading. Actually, I see myself moving to another DAW. YMMV
i already did, $149 +21% tax for studio one 7, 40 years celebration at cubase $180 +NO tax for cubase PRO 13
upgrades at $50, that was a NO brainer
V7 is going to be the last numbered version there's not going to be a V8. After 7 it will just be named something like Presonus Studio One Pro.
For those who bought version 6 pro, you will pay 90% of the price! Only those who are crazy to update!
I like the VR instruments. But the DJ shit is just in the way.
Thanx Chris...i'm a dinosaur too...😇
Good video, definitely sharing the sentiment about the focus on features I also don't really use most of the time, since I'm already covered by external libraries I've accumulated throughout the years. Probably waiting to upgrade, if there isn't any major reason. What's still bothering me is, that while Presonus wants to market S1 as a DAW where everything's possible, coming from Reaper and Cubase (don't talk about PT, definitely not missing that era..) I still feel very limited in some areas.
For instance, not being able to route a MIDI track to multiple audio tracks is just mind boggling to me, as it's a very basic routing feature in most other DAWs and enables me to use one MIDI tracks for triggering Trigger 2 samples on multiple tracks when I want to mix and match them, which has been an integral part of my workflow back in the day and I still miss it. Also the bug around randomly jumping automation lanes of FX tracks is still there and made me want to stop using automation tracks for FX tracks altogether, even though I sometimes need them. When applying fader movements on some automation lanes, they will sometimes just jump to the top of the track screen and even jump out of their respective bus. Reported it twice, no fix so far.
Couldn't care less about new VIs, but some basic features should work at least. 😕
If im gonna upgrade my answer is why not because after 2026 im not. Im getting rid of my subscription
There are always pros and cons. These days most software updates ARE a con. Beware! 😮
im on the subscription so it dont matter to me.. i weep for the poor people that cant finance their passion😂😂
That is hilarious… At the most we are talking about $200 for the full version. Pro Tools pro is about $ 900. Logic Pro is $250.
Cubase pro is $550. There you go. And let’s be honest, $200 for your workhorse DAW and main tool, $200 is $0,54 a day. 1/6 of the price of your morning coffee… or 20 Starbucks 😊.
Why such a fuss over the cheapest prices ever for such a complete and reliable DAW ?
$149/year is cheap if you are a professional, i"m a hobbyist, cubase updates are $50, and because of this ridiculous stance from presonus, i went for the 40 years cubase reduction, $180 +NO tax for cubase 13 PRO, instead of $149 +21% tax
for studio one PRO 7, i also disagree with them that artist users (wich costs a lot less) can upgrade for the same price as PRO users, i call that spitting in PRO users eyes, anyway, everyone is free to do what they want, cheers
@@ronnyb5890 I think you can buy it for $200. You would get free updates until version 8. So if you keep it for a while, it is cheap.
As you said, you are a hobbyist, so you could use Reaper and other very cheap options if money is that tight…
people aren't passionate enough and honestly if the money can weed them out then they need to go.. too many people out here anyway hahahaha
@@wallacewallets7557 I am biased. I am 63 sound engineer, and I owned 2 recording studios : API 48 channels, Otari 24 tracks with Dolby SR, and the real deal gear at $3000 a pop. Still have most of them but my clients budget don’t allow me to use them anymore. Too much time consuming…
So when I read that $200 might be an issue, or a plug-in Neve compressor at $40 is way too expensive, I find it very funny. Especially when my younger clients tell me « well, $200 for that DAW, I will have to think about it » taking a sip out of their $12 Starbuck coffee and texting on their IPhone 13😁
Nothing burger.