Yeah, me too, imagine if John actually went to ask for permission, not out of courtesy but because he knows how dangerous it is to have the Catholic Church classify him as an enemy
The Papacy was hugely intertwined with the politics of Europe throughout the history of the Catholic Church, with all that entails. An ancient order of assassins not having interactions with politics within and without Mother Church would be the weird thing.
This scene is cool and actually makes sense. John is asking the Vatican for permission for the kill and the cardinal gives him the go with Johns back tattoos which if you didn’t know is “fortune favors the bold” in Latin
I like how the Manager of the Continental in Rome asked John if he came to kill the Pope. That scene along with this scene if it would have played out, could’ve opened up a larger and more historical connection with the Continental, the High Table and even the Papacy (Catholic Church). That would’ve been an epic expansion on the franchise.
There are a lot of deep dark secrets that are being exposed in this series. This is not fiction. Other than some assassin that can kill the whole world trying to kill him. I watch this movie with a very different eye than when I first saw it.
@@Johnlanzer At least it's how i learned it here in France. Physical contact was considered uncourteous. (Didn't stop the King from shitting in the curtains)
@@emilio2647 Seeing the context of this video and others were worried about John Wick killing the Pope in the movie. I think Blue Oyster Cult- (Don't fear) The Reaper is it more fitting song. He is a deathbringer to be feared. More cowbells? More church bells.
0:27 that lady entered the name Wick on her tablet her tablet: " *LEVEL 99999999999999 ASSASSIN, APPROACH WITH EXTREME CAUTIOUSNESS, DON'T EVEN BLINK. AND. DON'T. REFUSE. HIM. ANYTHING.* " Lady: "Oh"
Your comment provokes my curiosity. *WHAT IF John has his past tied to Vatican? What if he was an orphan raised by the catholic church?* Woh, this world building will blow my mind!!!
fun fact: The Cardinal who greets John Wick also portrayed Mosca, the assassin Don Altobello hires to kill Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) in the Godfather part 3. they did a perfect casting since it looks like as if the Vatican has ties with the criminal world the same thing as how the Vatican also showed had connections with the criminal world in the godfather
He gives the right amount of respect, but you can tell. That John wasn't all that pleased to be around the guy. It was a very well done. A lot going on with few words.
I think this is John going to a power similar to the High Table, The Church, and both asking for permission to complete his task AND asking for assistance. He is given permission to, but it’s pretty clear to John that The Church will not help him kill a head member of the High Table. This really should be the only way this scene makes sense and it’s great world building in such a short timeframe if that’s what this is.
Tobias Burke not when you think about how much sway the Vatican has especially in Rome where this contract was, think about pulling off a job with Vatican blessings
ProToken 420 yeah but they usually thought they were doing God’s work or just benefited from having someone killed don’t really know how Giavanna’s death would fit either
@@jozefkucera8402 I like how you made a statement that is satire... and ofcourse an idiotic english grammar mixed with it... pretty interesting, english please???
I would like to see JW as a target in hitman Where you would need to kill him in a very certain way, taking him head on is suicide, sneak attacks mostly fail He would notice his food is poisoned and immediately vomit it out, thus not making him look weak but obviously 47 is up for the job Also absolutely no disguise would work seeing as John seems to know everyone in this industry lol
Cardinal be all like: “ Fortune favors the bold. Now, kiss my ring.” John Wick: Ok, wait a minute. I don’t need to kiss no ring. Cardinal. Das right! You don’t. John Wick: Damn, what was I thinking? Cardinal: No homo.
There is actually a "pre-sin confession" in the Church. It's Saint Leo's Absolution if I'm not mistaken. It's usually for soldiers who are pretty sure that thier gonna die in battle.
The scene implied that the Vatican apparently has a connection with the High Table & the Underworld. No wonder this was cut from the movie. The fallout would have been a nightmare.
It really would have been interesting if this scene had appeared in the movie, even more so, considering that the relationship between the criminal underworld and the Catholic and Orthodox Church is curious, it gives a lot of scope for John Wick's lore.
It would be interesting if the High Table was the modern iteration of the Avignon Papacy. That might explain why the High Table seems to be centered in France, and why they’d have a connection with the historical ‘Assassins’. After all, Franks (the French) did most of the conquering and fighting during the First Crusade.
The High Table probably has military and government people under it. That's why the bodies after John Wick disappear without police or media getting involved.
There is something missing, pope saying something from back when he is walking away and him stopping turning his head a bit and nodding then keep walking, that's his signature move
I like how the reaction of the lady after she checks out John from her tablet, that subtle hint of "oh shit it's HIM, why is he here" on her face while trying to keep her composure. It's these small nuggets sprinkled all over the films that tickles your curiosity about John and the world he is in.
Very cool Godfather reference, and it certainly adds to the lore, but it's almost too much. Having the Vatican be directly involved in assassinations blows the canon (heh) wide open, and such a blatant reference, while cool, seems out of character for the franchise.
They should have kept this scene in, it it shows that despite the appearance of normalcy, the world John wick is so corrupt and decadent as well as depraved, That even the church itself is in on it all in some way. The theme still stands in Canon anyway because a cardinal is seen at Gianna's party.
Now that all the parties are involved in part 4, I am wondering if this scene has any deeper meaning later on. Maybe Vatican and the pope is another power player in the background which is not unlikely considering how things go upfront have a much deeper root in the background in J.W. series.
It could just be John was just asking permission to go after his target while inside the holy city, and did so by giving the name of the person he was working for. I imagine he still would have gone after her without that permission, but whatever ties the Vatican has with the high table and continental would have caused John to be excomunicated from their order soon after the death of his target (about halfway through JW 2).
wick needed to the pope because pope is member of table, also this mission is to remove a member of table. this concludes that a member of the table agreed to this mission so john will not face table consequenses from other member. he has his back covered. although later santino issued manhunt, it was not from the table itself. this proof the table is actually in good standing with john up until the mission.
This scene probably felt like it slowed down the pace of the movie, plus it added a spicy piece of lore indeed, but can be considered highly controversial to say the least I mean, no joke about this being a work of fiction but seriously asking for Vatican permission to kill was a bit too deep for the snowflakes to accept.
kinda remind me of Assassin's Creed 1 when Altair would go back to Masyaf and consult with the grand master Al Mualim before going after his next target
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The fact that this implies that the Church has links with the criminal underworld is actually an interesting piece of lore that I want to look into
Yeah, me too, imagine if John actually went to ask for permission, not out of courtesy but because he knows how dangerous it is to have the Catholic Church classify him as an enemy
The catholic church has links to the Mafia, Nazis, Child rape and exploitation, Child trafficking. Hit men are nothing to the church
The Vatican is wherever there is a profit. Mexican Cartels has a strong relationship with the Church, look for Cardenal Juan Jesus Posadas Ocampo.
@@nutshot_brawler8466 yes very dangerous. The Jesuits order are nothing to joke with.
The Papacy was hugely intertwined with the politics of Europe throughout the history of the Catholic Church, with all that entails. An ancient order of assassins not having interactions with politics within and without Mother Church would be the weird thing.
This scene is cool and actually makes sense. John is asking the Vatican for permission for the kill and the cardinal gives him the go with Johns back tattoos which if you didn’t know is “fortune favors the bold” in Latin
Not fortune but Fortuna, goddes of luck
EJR77 someone already talked about this like a month prior. Pretty sure you just stole it.
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat
John Wick is a marine
Plus John has this tattoo on his back
I like how the Manager of the Continental in Rome asked John if he came to kill the Pope. That scene along with this scene if it would have played out, could’ve opened up a larger and more historical connection with the Continental, the High Table and even the Papacy (Catholic Church). That would’ve been an epic expansion on the franchise.
There are a lot of deep dark secrets that are being exposed in this series.
This is not fiction. Other than some assassin that can kill the whole world trying to kill him.
I watch this movie with a very different eye than when I first saw it.
it would be funny, if John came to kill the pope, and then goes to the Vatican to ask permission to kill the pope.
@@cryptojihadi265 💯 glad someone can see it.
Proof that the high table is everywhere and in everything.
The pabussy
The "hand kissing" part is really accurate. You're not meant to touch the hand with your lips - it is considered vulgar in this form of expression.
Huh didn't know that.
@@Johnlanzer At least it's how i learned it here in France. Physical contact was considered uncourteous. (Didn't stop the King from shitting in the curtains)
@@kairosprods i want prepared for the last part
@@krystofkarda4170 What do you mean?
@@kairosprods i meant wasnt, because you can't just pull out that the king shitted on the curtains
I expected John to slip the Cardinal a gold coin.
Lmao 😂😂😂
that was creepy old dude
I thought the cardinal was going to molest him
they use silver coins
lmfao
I like that he doesn’t kiss the ring. “Fortune favors the bold”
Isn't that the motto of us marine unit?
@@amartyaroy3754 yes
When "kissing" somebody's hand, also a lady's, you aren't meant to physically touch it
Ring might be poisonous
Your Gen Z brain thought you should actually kiss somebody's hand literally? Lmao
The Vatican fears only two things: God and John Wick
Tsar Nicholas II the director for this film should've played the song Centuries by Fall Out Boy because we all know John Wick is a legend.😁
not sure about god..
@@lonesomealeks4206 Well either way they fear fictional things
@@TsarNicholasII5437
Savage. That was Savage AF my based choom.
@@emilio2647 Seeing the context of this video and others were worried about John Wick killing the Pope in the movie. I think Blue Oyster Cult- (Don't fear) The Reaper is it more fitting song. He is a deathbringer to be feared.
More cowbells? More church bells.
Ahh yes, John Wick goes to receive the cardinal buff, which gives "+10% chance of a miracle of happening, heal wounds faster"
0:27 that lady entered the name Wick on her tablet
her tablet: " *LEVEL 99999999999999 ASSASSIN, APPROACH WITH EXTREME CAUTIOUSNESS, DON'T EVEN BLINK. AND. DON'T. REFUSE. HIM. ANYTHING.* "
Lady: "Oh"
I like the obvious security guys outside the door and the one who is definitely just a priest, I swear, next to the stairs inside the entrance.
😂😂😂😂
Now that I see this scene I find it funny cause the padre is the assassin that was in the godfather 3 dressed as a padre in the end of the movie.
I was just thinking the same thing!!!!! ... I'm sure the character would be too old ......right?
I recognised him too
@@notaclerk1 I did my research and they are the same actor! an Easter egg maybe? it's a shame that they took this part out
@@kokona1990 oh wow yes that would have been great!!!!
Yeah mate
The actor portraying the Cardinal was the primary hit man at the end of The Godfather III
Criminally underrated observation
The father or the son who was making the donkey noises?
@@yusoph-kirammamaiii3872 yes.. specially the father.. the one who shot michael's daughter
Mosca Di Montelepre, that's right!!!
@@yusoph-kirammamaiii3872 Son made the donkey sound.
Man, that assassin in godfather 3 actually joined the church and became a Cardinal, how things have changed !
This time he isn't pretending
wait, that's Al Neri? cool
@@ahn0x no, that's the assassin who killed Michael's daughter
@@ahn0x no, is Mosca de Montelepre.
The fly ( la Mosca) the Godfather III 🙂
He said the same of John back tattoo « fortis fortuna adiuvat»
oh man, u right..
Your comment provokes my curiosity. *WHAT IF John has his past tied to Vatican? What if he was an orphan raised by the catholic church?* Woh, this world building will blow my mind!!!
@@jomontanee what if he was part of the vatican
@@MsShahkirin WOHHHHHHHH!
What does John wick tatto mean
fun fact: The Cardinal who greets John Wick also portrayed Mosca, the assassin Don Altobello hires to kill Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) in the Godfather part 3. they did a perfect casting since it looks like as if the Vatican has ties with the criminal world the same thing as how the Vatican also showed had connections with the criminal world in the godfather
He gives the right amount of respect, but you can tell. That John wasn't all that pleased to be around the guy. It was a very well done. A lot going on with few words.
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I see it as also perhaps a matter of his own faith. When John visits his 'family' we see Orthodox patriarchs.
I think this is John going to a power similar to the High Table, The Church, and both asking for permission to complete his task AND asking for assistance. He is given permission to, but it’s pretty clear to John that The Church will not help him kill a head member of the High Table. This really should be the only way this scene makes sense and it’s great world building in such a short timeframe if that’s what this is.
2 minutes 8 words
Unironically amazing
4 of them were just names, 3 of them in latin
They have more camera cuts in normal scenes than in fight scenes
Anirudh Sensei because it’s meant to have as few cuts as possible for the fight scenes to make them cooler and more authentic
The cinematography is so damn amazing.
It's wise to edit it out. Though brilliant, it can provoke unnecessary criticism over this fantastic franchise.
yea, it also feels a tiny bit out of place
Tobias Burke not when you think about how much sway the Vatican has especially in Rome where this contract was, think about pulling off a job with Vatican blessings
ProToken 420 yeah but they usually thought they were doing God’s work or just benefited from having someone killed don’t really know how Giavanna’s death would fit either
@ProToken 420 pls tell me what is this unnecessary killing?
Which is a shame because religion, specifically the Vatican has been responsible for thousands of deaths, or rather silencing
Legend has it, he still has his arms out to this day, waiting for John Wick to kiss his ring
he was like as long as you aren't here to kill me then you have my permission to kill anyone
Wait, That was actually the Pope?!
No, that is just the Cardinal BUT if he wins the election, he can be the next pope
@@arturoalcantara6830 Thats what I thought that he was the Pope!
"Sorry santino, i know its a marker but the pope said no"
He didn't really kiss his hand strict no homo
He's actually kissing the ring of the bishop/fisherman. It is a form of respect to a bishop in Catholicism.
It could be poisoned
I like how a 8 months year old comment got so fresh responds
@@jozefkucera8402 I like how you made a statement that is satire... and ofcourse an idiotic english grammar mixed with it... pretty interesting, english please???
Marcus Jayce Bjorn lol
0:45 I love how the bells matches his walking pace
Also, you can see that the room's track lighting is from a rented-out concert hall and not some ornate "Vatican". Would explain why it was deleted.
the bells of doom tolls for santino
The world building for this series is just amazing!
This is deleted scene though because they don't want to build "that world"
0:16 Imagine John Wick approaching the recieving area with Agent 47 in it...
That’s what I thought
All they needed was to put on barcode sticker.
would have been hell of a fucking reference if they actually
I would like to see JW as a target in hitman
Where you would need to kill him in a very certain way, taking him head on is suicide, sneak attacks mostly fail
He would notice his food is poisoned and immediately vomit it out, thus not making him look weak but obviously 47 is up for the job
Also absolutely no disguise would work seeing as John seems to know everyone in this industry lol
@@QuestionableAdviser_ Would probably get sued for it. And in a world where Agent 47 exists, there's no way John would be the most feared assassin.
Never ask for whom the bell tolls... For when it tolls, it tolls for thee.
As he said fortune favors the bold. Not kissing the popes hand is bold. And thus granting him fortune.
It's not the pope but a cardinal.
Fortune favors the bold is johns back tattoo we see it when he is in the shower in the first movie
He’s a cardinal
WOOAAAAH dude good insight!!!
Cardinal be all like: “ Fortune favors the bold. Now, kiss my ring.”
John Wick: Ok, wait a minute. I don’t need to kiss no ring.
Cardinal. Das right! You don’t.
John Wick: Damn, what was I thinking?
Cardinal: No homo.
Constantine In The Vatican.
si
He said that was the one Movie he really wants to make a sequal to
Was he looking for approval, or was this like a pre-sin confession or something? Like maybe that's a service you can purchase in Hitman World?
Blue Boy I think he was requesting permission to kill someone in the High Table.
@@gabriellekanapi5868 He was tasked with killing the sister of the bad guy (im sorry I forgot his name) . And she was in Rome.
@@user-oo3oi9ki2j Santinos sister Gianna in Rome.
There is actually a "pre-sin confession" in the Church. It's Saint Leo's Absolution if I'm not mistaken. It's usually for soldiers who are pretty sure that thier gonna die in battle.
The scene implied that the Vatican apparently has a connection with the High Table & the Underworld. No wonder this was cut from the movie. The fallout would have been a nightmare.
This goes to show you their is a bigger stronger power than John Wick.
John Wick.....pause...are you here to kill everyone...love the bell in the background...
This cardinal actor was the assassin in God Father Part III
It really would have been interesting if this scene had appeared in the movie, even more so, considering that the relationship between the criminal underworld and the Catholic and Orthodox Church is curious, it gives a lot of scope for John Wick's lore.
We already have a glimpse of the Orthodox Church being in partnership with the Rusko Roma in John Wick 4
It would be interesting if the High Table was the modern iteration of the Avignon Papacy. That might explain why the High Table seems to be centered in France, and why they’d have a connection with the historical ‘Assassins’. After all, Franks (the French) did most of the conquering and fighting during the First Crusade.
So this is how deep goes the high table? Damn
The High Table probably has military and government people under it. That's why the bodies after John Wick disappear without police or media getting involved.
Isnt it cool the assasin from godfather 3 is now the pope in this scene.... One retired assasin to another🔥
Cardinal, not Pope.
The cardinal actor is the same who played Mosca the assassin in Godfather III.
I understand why they cut this out, but it would have been interesting that even the Vatican is in league with High Table officials.
Who’s higher? The Vatican or the high table?
Vatican definetly but not everywhere just in the Catholic countries
God.
Jesus
Shaggy
Rhon Robbie Rotten
Alexander Anderson meeting John Wick would be quite the crossover
& maybe john is a vampire 😭
Given Keanu is a vampire, that'd be quite appropriate.
Normal people ask for a priest when they pray for luck. John Wick asks for the pope
There is something missing, pope saying something from back when he is walking away and him stopping turning his head a bit and nodding then keep walking, that's his signature move
Muka pope mache ano arom seteii nirr rojiim.. butuh pak ampa 👍
honestly i would never be tired of John Wick universe
Your channel name gives me chills in a different way.
0:15 Oh don't mind me, I am just an ordinary priest, praying here by these stairs. Totally not a plainclothes security guard, no sir.
It’s the same actor who played the priest in the godfather 3, also the surroundings look pretty much the same as in GF3
The ones involved is getting the list even longer.
Definitely a piece from Pablo Picasso on the wall there
good spot
If anyone sees that it can be a Cardinal of assassins world, Course he played the most dangerous Assassin from Italy in God Father part 3
One Scene
Two names
Eight Words
Respect infinit
Jhow Wick Goat
How are you? I hope you're staying safe that's should be our priority.where are you from❤❤?
I like how the reaction of the lady after she checks out John from her tablet, that subtle hint of "oh shit it's HIM, why is he here" on her face while trying to keep her composure.
It's these small nuggets sprinkled all over the films that tickles your curiosity about John and the world he is in.
I love the way he walk..and talk altghou he look
Simple and stylish
Hai...
👁
Classy
Cardinal saw John Wick taking a bath in a hotel and read his tattoo for this dialogue..
"John Wick", lady looks him up, "dude you need a ton of forgiveness..."
The actor playing the cardinal is Mario Donatone who also played Mosca the assassin that was hired to kill Michael in Godfather 3……
Very cool Godfather reference, and it certainly adds to the lore, but it's almost too much. Having the Vatican be directly involved in assassinations blows the canon (heh) wide open, and such a blatant reference, while cool, seems out of character for the franchise.
Mosca from The Godfather part 3 and John Wick, well done.
This is the moment john wick became john constantine
They should have kept this scene in, it it shows that despite the appearance of normalcy, the world John wick is so corrupt and decadent as well as depraved, That even the church itself is in on it all in some way. The theme still stands in Canon anyway because a cardinal is seen at Gianna's party.
Considering the symbolism of his crucifix in the new trailer, I'm thinking this is relating back to this.
I think they should be making a movie about how the high table was founded and the years of John Wick before the retirement( impossible task)
and how he met his wife
Now that all the parties are involved in part 4, I am wondering if this scene has any deeper meaning later on. Maybe Vatican and the pope is another power player in the background which is not unlikely considering how things go upfront have a much deeper root in the background in J.W. series.
It could just be John was just asking permission to go after his target while inside the holy city, and did so by giving the name of the person he was working for. I imagine he still would have gone after her without that permission, but whatever ties the Vatican has with the high table and continental would have caused John to be excomunicated from their order soon after the death of his target (about halfway through JW 2).
Vatican + Devil = Lords of the World
That Priest Killed Micheal Corleone's Daughter!
Bro was on vacation
Came a long way from hearing Michael Corleone’s confession.
wick needed to the pope because pope is member of table, also this mission is to remove a member of table. this concludes that a member of the table agreed to this mission so john will not face table consequenses from other member. he has his back covered. although later santino issued manhunt, it was not from the table itself. this proof the table is actually in good standing with john up until the mission.
I get why it was removed. Makes John look weaker and complicates the already kinda complicated lore even more.
Ok
Lol are you calling Catholics weak?
I love these movied
Vetican church looks like another continental, just in church's setting
I❤ jhon Wick 👍
BTW, at minute 0:15 when John enters enters the building, is the bold guy the one from Hitman also asking permission to kill? just wondering.
Agent 47 just wondering around
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You got some excellent eyes dude
where is the barcode tattoo
@@suppakorn000 he did cut out the barcode in Absolution.
OH IS THE WORLD METEOROLOGIST BUILDING RIGHT HERE ?
John Wick is what happens when Alice Cooper is your baby sitter.
If only he had said "Happy Hunting, Mr Wick" at the end.
Should have stayed in the final cut. Just the subtle implications of John working with the Vatican. Amazing. Bad cut out.
0:25 that woman is cute
Blessings are fine, but wouldn't be cool if the pope gave john a swiss army knife? I mean, its not like he has to use pencils every single time
I can't see why it was cut, but it still adds just that little bit extra to John.
it's just unneccasary imo
This scene probably felt like it slowed down the pace of the movie, plus it added a spicy piece of lore indeed, but can be considered highly controversial to say the least
I mean, no joke about this being a work of fiction but seriously asking for Vatican permission to kill was a bit too deep for the snowflakes to accept.
@@NekoHibaCosplay which is funny considering the vatican is responsible for countless murders
@@NekoHibaCosplaya little to close to the truth.
0:16 Agent 47 ? Nuns, priests, assassins. And now bald guys in suits with leather briefcases.
This scene gives me Hitman Absolution vibes.
I feel like this man is 1 1911 away from Joshua Graham
The receptionist was so pretty
And also thicc
That cardinal killed our godfather's daughter .. >=(
Godfather 3 guy
Aditya he survived Andy’s bullet to become cardinal
@@lohancindy5442 Very "Terrible" Lucky
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat, the tattoo on John's back.
How interesting the actor (Mario Donatone) who played Cardinal here is the same actor who portrayed the hitman Mosca in The Godfather Part III.
This Cardinal is played by the same actor who played Mosca of Montelepre, the assassin in Godfather 3.
A great shame this was omitted.
Fun fact: the actor for the Cardinal, Mario Donatone, was also in The Godfather Part III, where played a hitman disguised as a priest ;)
kinda remind me of Assassin's Creed 1 when Altair would go back to Masyaf and consult with the grand master Al Mualim before going after his next target
was that agent 47 at the desk when mr wick walked in?
"Would you like some young boys, Mr. Wick?"
why was this scene cut? include it in director's cut, I hope.
I didn't think that Mosca de Montelepre was smart enough to infiltrate into the Vatican.
Of course, read about the Borgia family in the Vatican, etc…
Mario Donatone, Mosca de Montelepra - The Godfather 3
Jesus is John Wick, it's making sense now 😂😂