I can't believe how useful this entire channel is for comparing and learning about anything audio. And I'm absolutely blown away how much interaction there is in regards to answering people questions (even the questions that people could easily Google). Incredible job!
Hello Curtis and best wishes into 2017 ! Thanks for all the great videos. I have a suggestion for a future episode: Introduction to boompoles, mounts and blimps/deadcats. It would be great to see like 3 grades : entry level , mid level and pro levels of this equipment. I'm trying to upgrade my "broom stick" boompole to proper setup and can't find a good comprihensive introduction to this setup and how it properly fits together. I will end up probably NTG-3 but that's all I have to go with right now. Anyways Happpy New year!
Hey Curtis, wondering if you can help me understand something... From what I can see in the Tascam DR10L manual it says it can provide 2v of plug-in power, and from what I see on the Sanken COS 11d specs it says it requires at least 3v-10v of power. Do you know if this affects the Sanken's output/quality? I'm still shopping between the Tascam DR10L/Zoom F2/Tentacle Sync Track E, but would like to add a higher quality lav than the ones that come with those, ie: the Sanken or a Sennheiser MKE 2 or maybe a Countryman or VT500 etc. I'm worried about the power requirements for those lavs paired with these recorders. Wondering if you have already spoken about this in one of your videos or perhaps can run through it quick in an upcoming stream? Thanks so much!
@@curtisjudd Yea, I mean, sounds great in your video! I was thinking about this particular matter since watching the announcement stream for the Zoom F2, where someone mentioned it can only provide 2.5v plug-in power and therefore not work with some higher end lavs that require more power, like 5v.. which got me worried about which recorder/lav combo to look at. At least I know the Sanken will work with the Tascam. Thanks again.
How do the preamps on this compare with the H4n Pro or the DR-05? I'm currently using the H4n Pro and love the audio quality I get (worlds better than my previous DR-05 I used for 2 years). Would've loved to see a preamp comparison like in your other videos, because the form and price of this DR-10L would make me want to get it for an extra lav system.
It sounds very similar to the H4n (and all the Zoom recorders) and with about the same self-noise (very little). It is much cleaner than the DR-05 (which I also have).
Thank you. That's great to hear then. I want an extra lav system that's portable but would only do it if it it's at least better than the DR-05 (which is still nice for the price but not very clean-sounding). Will be adding this to my list :)
Hello Curtis. I have only just ventured into the world of video by buying a camcorder to document (other than merely by photographs) a trip I will be making to Ireland next Spring. The situation is this. I am taking my mother's ashes for burial and have hired an operatic tenor to sing during the Requiem Mass. The camcorder will be focused on the alter but the tenor will be situated in the choir loft behind the camera. Similarly, I also want to improve the sound quality of the everyday use of the camcorder. I have seen several of your videos and have come up with some alternatives to get the job done without breaking the bank. I was thinking of going with the JK MicJ 044 lavalier for the tenor and either the Rode VideoMic Pro or the Azden SMX-10 shotgun mic for everyday use. The Zoom H1 might be a further step up but that introduces the need for clapping and syncing not to mention added expense. What are your thoughts on this? If you have any suggestions or advice, I would sincerely appreciate your feedback.
Hi Brian, great that you are planning ahead! How close to the back of the camera will the singer be situated? The JK MicJ's cable is only about 1 - 1.5 meters so not a lot of reach there. Lavalier mics do not tend to do well picking up sound that is far away, really meant to wear directly on the person speaking/singing. The RODE VideoMic Pro would probably be the first thing I'd reach for in this situation and find a way to aim it up at the singer. Assuming you are several meters away from the singer, you'll also pick up the reverence of the cathedral which is great. I hope you all the best!
Hi Curtis, Thanks for your speedy response. Yes, I thought that there might be a problem with the length of the JK Mic's cable so I thought that perhaps I could find an extension. I'm sure that somewhere in my research I saw a lavalier with a 20' cable. Failing that, I'll go with the Rode. Thanks again for your help.
+Ernoburger totally depends on the mic and the preamp you’re using. The design of the microphone seems to make a bigger difference than the connector it uses.
Thanks a lot for the info and yet another informative video. While researching the Tascam, I saw that Zaxcom is coming out with a really small recorder as well, the ZFR400. I think you mentioned in one of your videos that firms like Zaxcom are providers professionals use a lot, so I can imagine it will probably be much more expensive than the Tascam. Do you think you'll get a chance to review the ZFR400 in the future?
I'd like to review the Zaxcom but I don't have access to them except by purchasing with my own funds so I must confess that the chances are pretty slim for the time being.
Another option is the Tascam DR-10C. I know it's not available here in the US but you can easily buy it on eBay. Paid around $210 for mine and it does send the audio to your camera/recorder. I heard this model isn't available in America due copyright infringements... 😔😔 Good video as always!
A bit baffled by this comment. Read the specs of DR-10C and nothing indicates that it can wireless transmit the audio signal to a receiver...but i am very new and miss the specs. Can you clarify ?
Don't know if you know this already, but in June this year they released a new firmware update which adds a bunch of new features (MP3 recording at 128 or 192), choosing -6db or -12db for dual record mode, and level meters displaying during recording.
Thanks for another great video my friend! It sounds pretty good. I recommended this to one of my professors about a month ago. He needed to record his lectures for an online coarse. Although he has yet to purchase it, when he does you know I am going to "borrow" it from him. ;-) Cheers, Greg
I didn't have them in my possession at the same time so I never got a chance to compare them side by side. However, I think the bigger factor is the microphone you use. With the Sanken COS-11D, they both sounded better.
@@curtisjudd thanks Curtis, like always, you're a valuable beacon of guidance. I don't have the Sankens but do have a few Countryman B3's...and yes sir, they sound better than the lavs included with the Zoom F2's. Also, when and if ever I get financing for a significant project, you'll be the one I'll be reaching out to hire. Wishful thinking right!
Curtis, I have a pressing concern...I have seen Countryman B3's being used with the DR10L. If I'm not mistaken, the DR10L has a mic bias output of 2 Volts, do you think this adversely affects the noise floor of recordings with the Countryman B3 as it requires 3 Volts? Please advise.
Hi Javier, good question but I'm not sure of the answer. The Sanken mic I used in this video apparently also needs more than the 2V the Tascam provides. It seemed ok, but that's a subjective assessment.
@@curtisjudd I just heard of ZOOM's soon to be released F2 which will offer 32-bit float recording...it will also output 2.5volts. Would the 32-bit float affect such mics in any way? Also, what are your thoughts on the F2 and its 32-bit float recording? Gamechanger? Enabler for the inept such as myself? As always, you are top tier, Curtis....thanks.
@@usernamenotvisibIe Hi Javier, I have placed a pre-order for the F2 so that I can review it. 32-bit float with multiple converters doesn't affect the microphone, but most lavalier microphones can limit the dynamic range you can record. However, for spoken word recording, the F2 or the Tentacle Sync Track E (another 32-bit float body pack recorder) with a decent lavalier will not be easy to distort by over modulating. For body pack recording, 32-bit float significantly reduces the risk of distorted/clipped audio. However, it comes at the cost of additional work in post. Also, it does not solve the problem of forgetting to start the recording or accidentally pulling out a cable or detecting any other sort of interference or microphone failure. So it is a step in the right direction rather than a game changer in my little mind. 😀
Syncing with Pluraleyes is easy. That's what I recommend and I use multiple external recorders to sync to the camera with no issues. It's almost fully automatic. :-) Thanks again for the great video Curtis!
hi curtis, your videos have been an invaluable learning source so thanks! i have two lavalier mics (sanken cos 11-d and rode lavalier) and want to do some videos involving two people cooking and chatting. i was thinking of connecting the lavs to two tascam dr-10/zoom h1n or one of each. this kind of wired setup fits into my current budget. do you think this would work well? also would the audio out of the tascam be better than the zoom or are they comparable? it would be a lot cheaper for me to get two h1n but if the preamps in the tascam makes worth it, i'd opt for the tascam. i think the zoom f1 is a little chunky so unless there's a reason why i should go for it, i think i'd rather the tascam dr-10
i also can buy one set of a used sennheiser g3 receiver and transmitter for about the same price as the tascam dr-10 at the moment so i'm unsure if i should go for that (which would allow monitoring of one microphone, and i could record to the h1n with the other microphone and wait for another cheap g3 to pop up) or just stick with a wired system. i'm inexperienced so am unsure if this would make syncing in post difficult but also don't mind too much and like learning how to do new things
Hi Luca, you could go either way. Note that wireless takes more time to get set, potentially, unless you use it in the same place every time. It definitely gives you the ability to monitor which is good. I guess I'd probably go with the G3. Best wishes!
Nice review! Do you know if it's possible to run a 3.5mm plug from the earphone output to a DSLR camera and record direct to the camera file with this recorder?
Thorough review as usual. I picked up this little guy a few years ago, and just now pulled it out and used it with a Sony a5000 for fun. The sound quality is surprisingly good from my experience. And I have no problem syncing it in post with DaVinci Resolve. I'm glad I decided to use it again. I think it could be a time saver should my other options fail or run out of power.
still relevant. thank you for the effort and the sharing. do you know if the levels for the dual record function are adjustable or are they set at a specific level (-3db or -6db as an example)? i am an appreciative subscriber. thumbs up.
Hi, it’s been a while since I had this, but my recollection is that the safety track is locked at -6dB. There have been some firmware updates since I borrowed this for the review so it may have changed.
I just bought the DR-10L and, while I would give it a demerit for the difficulty I have with the slider for power on/off and record (no fingernails!) I really like the unit. Where it fails for me is not the problem with the DR-10L but probably the lav mic that comes with it. I record motorcycle riding videos for my TexasTwoLane.com UA-cam channel and I'm trying to find ways to reduce wind noise. The mic, with both its supplied windscreen and an extra, dead-cat style muff on it and mounted behind the chin guard of my full-face helmet, has a lot of distortion at 70mph. The face of the helmet is open. The Zoom H1 I had been using did a better job but I had been hoping to improve on that. Up until 60-70mph the audio sounds great from the DR-10L. Then, there's more distortion than wind noise. I've experiment with the settings including the Limiter ON and OFF. Please know that I'm a long-time professional network news cameraman and video editor. You mentioned the Sanken COS-11D. Wow. Really expensive! But, if it was the magic elixir to cure strong wind noise, then I would invest in it if I knew which model worked with the DR-10L. Link to the right one please? Finally, yes, I experimented with different mic gain settings going all the way down to the lowest. Still major distortion, just at a lower level. I have Dual Recording going on as well with the second track set to be -12db down. Any suggestions?
Ahhhhhhh the limiter test freaked me out! Lol Excellent video, lots of good info. I'm buying one of these to pair with my Rode Wireless Go so I can sync audio for my Sony A5100 which doesn't have a mic jack.
Realy impressed with the smooth audio from that little Tascam. How much magic did you work into post? I've been experimenting with the Rode lav while recording my blog in the car capturing the audio on my phone, this looks like a nice upgrade from that setup.
Hi Curtis! Thanks for a great video AGAIN! This recorder comes with the Tascam TM-10LB microphone which I think gives a nice rich and full sound, BUT unfortunately is very noisy so it needs a lot of post tweaking. I have tried using the Rode-lav that came with my wireless Rodelink but that mike does not have the same rich sound, and it has a major problem with static interference when the cable gets close to the transmitter. Do you know of any third party lav-mic (preferably with a screw on sleeve) in the same price range as these mikes, about 70-90 USD, that I can buy to upgrade both the Tascam and the Rodelink to in order to get rid of the static noise in the Rode, and Lower noise floor in the Tascam? ALL WELL From Sweden!
I have 2 Sennheiser EW 100 G3 wireless kits, the Sennheiser ME 2 Omnidirectional Condenser Lavalier Microphone would I be better using this lavalier than the one that Tascam supplies with the DR-10L
Hmm, you'd need to experiment. They seem roughly similar to me from memory. I used the ME2 a few years back for one project. My impression was that it is a little brighter than I'd like for most voices. The same applies to the Tascam mic unless mounted somewhere on the talent's head (which is far more time consuming).
Hi Luis, I would not recommend using the Auto Level under any circumstances as it has a tendency to lift the noise floor in rather dramatic fashion in between phrases. The limiter is digital so not super helpful, but can save you a little bit of time in post by pre-compressing the transient spikes. But it is still very important to get your gain set correctly with enough headroom for people getting quite loud. Normally, I aim to get the peaks around -18 to -12 at the most. Good luck!
Dude, consider calling your cell phone while doing the proximity RF interference test to truly test for RF interference. When calls come into your phone is when you'll get interference if you didn't already know. Great video and know I'll look for your review of the Zoom F2.
Great review Curtis! I got two of these recently and they're so easy to set up. Actually, the dual record combined with the auto setting makes it super easy to just throw on a talent on a basic conversation type of set up and record easily untethered and without the fear of interference, distance, or obstructions. Cheers!
I have a headset mic and want to only record normal talking voice . I wanted to get either the Sony pcm-a10 or the zoom h6 as these recorders have very low noise floor. I, however, cannot get either of them for some reason. Would you know if the noise floor on the tascam dr-10l body be around the same as that of either the zoom h6 or the sony pcm-a10 ? Secondly , would removing the noise from tascam dr-10l in post production, affect the quality of the voice ?
A headset mic is better for that. Otherwise, it is all about experimenting until you find the right place for hiding a lavalier. Production sound mixers, boom operators, and utilities spend their entire careers perfecting that art. Experiment, experiment, experiment. Also, this video might help: ua-cam.com/video/RxcQz4VFGXA/v-deo.html
Hi Curtis! I have purchased a Tascam DR-10L and I am just getting familiar with it. It really improves my audio...love it! I would like to ask a logistical questions of you. I currently use my iphone for recording the video (and the audio that goes with it) and then sync my great Tascam audio later with editing software. What I do find is that the little Record start/stop control is super tiny and of course the recorder is clipped to by back pocket so it is not easy to access. My inclination is to just leave it on and recording throughout my entire session for efficiency sake. Is this a wise decision? I know that there is the "syncing clap" that needs to happen at the start for easy syncing later on my software. If I chop up the audio and get rid of the unusable recordings, it seems like I will I lose my easy syncing capability. Hmmm. What is your suggestion? What do you normally do? Thank you so much!
It isn't easy, but it hasn't created any issues where I could not get them in sync. There are a variety of options to help save time with sync. Most of the major video editing apps can automatically sync the video with the audio clip one by one IF the camera recorded good reference audio. Pluraleyes can make it even faster, again, if the camera captured good reference audio. Timecode generators are the most efficient tools for automating sync in post, but also cost the most. Here's one example: ua-cam.com/video/o36XYOPp0BE/v-deo.html
I'm really interested in this mic for a video podcast discussion between me and guests. The reason over traditional podcast mics is that my guests will not be creators and I want as natural a conversation as possible without a big mic in their face. My worry is each mic picking up other guests audio (I think this is called phasing - sorry bit of an audio noob) - how do I overcome this as lavs tend to pick up a lot of sound around them?
Have you any idea how I switch off the key lock on this recorder. Come to use it and the keys are locked but I cannot find any mention of this in the manual.
Hi Paul, I'm sorry, I don't remember as I only had this on loan for the review. I'd contact Tascam support. They should be able to help out. Good luck!
Do you know of anyone using this for motorcycle audio. I use several GoPros on my HD and of course the built in sound is going to be the Harley vs wind noise. However, this unit seems to be easily inserted into the helmet and would seem to be a hand clap away from syncing in post. Your opinion??
I have heard of people using this for motorcycle touring videos, yes. And exactly right - they mount the microphone in their helmet, clap at the start and sync easily in post. Seems like a good solution for that use case.
There we go! The review I've been waiting for! As soon as the dog's walked and the coffee's brewed I'll be sitting down and giving this a watch. Almost as exciting as settling in for the season finale of Westworld.... .... almost. :)
I think that another good point is that it is a system with "unlimited tracks". If you do an interview with two people, you can record them to left and right just fine with 2 channel audio. But if there are 3+ people involved, this can be a better solution. For non live production.
@@curtisjudd well yes, in the simplest and most stupid way possible. You can just keep using more of them to add to people and then sync up the audio in your NLE.
Curtis, Last week I had two Tascam DR-10L's connected to two men outdoors standing 5 feet from one another. Both settings in the DR-10L's were identical internally. When I brought the audio tracks from both recorders into Davinci Resolve 16 there was a pre-echo and sync issue when I wanted to get both people's sound levels equal. I synced up individually both individuals precisely to the audio, but when I try to blend them together no matter if I line them both up automatically or manually I still get a very annoying pre-echo combined with everything being off sync. I can only use the sound of one of the individuals, but this presents a new problem, since both people are 5 feet apart the sound of the person's track I choose to use speaks louder than the other person. I wanted both person's volume to be optimum with this terrible echo and or sync problem. Have you experienced this issue? Can two or more people have these recorders attached and bringing them into a timeline won't present an audio problem?
Hi, it sounds like you may be getting some mic bleed - a common problem with omni-directional lavaliers. In post, you'll want to cut out the mic bleed parts (the part of the track for the person not currently talking) to avoid that echo. This is not unique to the Tascam, it is a just the laws of physics. Best wishes!
@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis, this is the best explanation I got so far. Those omni mikes do have a wide pick-up pattern. Trying to lower the track will still be impossible, because the outdoor city sounds passers-by, vehicles passing will still present the problem even if I attempt to lower the voice of the other person. My option I believe is to purchase the Boya BY-WM8 Pro -k2 DUAL Wireless lab system, at least I think regardless of the lavaliers pick up pattern and no matter of the proximity of two people standing near each other the fact that both transmitters will be going into one receiver, this mic bleed should be eliminated. Am I correct?
Hi Paul, I don’t believe that would be possible given the single mic input. Some might say you could use a splitter and send audio in one channel, timecode in the other but my experience is that you get crosstalk in unbalanced cables like that (i.e., can hear the timecode signal in the mic channel.)
The Tascam would definitely be more robust - locking plug for the microphone, smaller, "stop" switch is nearly impossible to bump. But the Aputure is a lot less expensive if you've already got the phone. :)
Curtis, I just went to B&H's site and read that the BOYA BY-WM8 PRO K2 Dual Channel System come with two lavalier mics that have omni-directional polar patterns. Am I correct that the two signals from both receivers going into the SINGLE CHANNEL RECEIVER shall totally eliminate any microphone bleed?
@@curtisjudd Wow. What's the perfect sweet spot 3, 4, 5 or 10 feet from each other. Every Dual Wireless system sold by B&H all come with Omni-directional polar pattern microphones from the cheapest system to the most expensive. How close or far should two people be conducting a two person interview with two Omni mic's? Can you put up a video explaining and demonstrating this issue? What's the proven science? You are the expert that everyone depends on for answers, consumers depend on you, your credibility level is vey high, I'm depending on you for a concrete solution. I can't afford to blow any amount of money on the wrong product. The two individuals I worked with kept a distance of about five feet from each other throughout the shoot, so in my case 5 feet wasn't the sweet spot. I'm depending on you Curtis to help me out. I need a sure thing solution. Why doesn't the owners manual of the Tascam DR-10L alert consumers that using two of these recorders with the supplied microphones can cause "mic bleed"? when two people are 5 feet apart from each other. Using these mics on three or more people must really be a nightmare.
@@TheShabazzProduction Usually, we fix mic bleed in post. You put people at a comfortable distance and mix in post. In post, you attenuate the channel of the person not currently talking. You can do that by actually cutting out that portion, or just automate the fader so that the bleed cannot be heard in the mix. I hope that makes sense?
Hi Curtis, if someone already has a couple good lavs (AT899, B6) - what is the difference in the DR-10L vs. just plugging those into, say a DR-05 / DR-22L?? Doesn't the DR-05 provide "plug-in" power for lavs?? Aside from the size and feature set, not sure I'm seeing the $200 price tag. By the way, the Tascam lav sounds just as good or better than the Sanken (never been a fan of the COS-11D, plus it is overpriced).
Hi, yes, the DR-05 provides plug-in power. My tests suggest that the microphone preamplifier on the DR-10L is improved over the DR-05 in terms of self noise performance (less hiss). I haven't used the DR-22 so I'm not sure how it compares to that. I think the price is justified in cases where you need a smaller device (e.g., hiding the recorder on a bride for a wedding shoot). The safety track recording at lower gain feature is also big. I don't recall seeing that option on the DR-05. I wouldn't suggest that one cannot make good recordings with the DR-05 or 22, but in cases where a smaller recorder is needed and the safety track feature would be helpful, the 10L is worth a look.
Hi Curtis. Have you any suggestions for a mic cover for this particular lav mic? Such as the Sanken RM11 that's used for under clothing. Hard to ascertain which ones are compatible with the DR10L lav mic! Thanks Alan
I plan to use this for a wedding and put it on the groom. Should I put this in Auto Mode for the sound level? I normally would prefer to use a Manual sound setting, but since the recorder has to also pick up the minister and bride, it seems like Auto Volume might be better. Thanks for your help - this was a great video.
Hmm. I will try it. The price is bargain for do a test. Maybe is a good idea for them to do a timecode input as well for wireless timecode systems. Let me see inside this secondary safe record channel... maybe I can hack it. BTW, thank You for sharing and for the video!
Do you have any recommendations for lavalier mics to replace the mic for this recorder? I'm hoping to upgrade but can't afford two Sanken mics. Thanks and great video!
I just filmed a video where talent had this mic on and a seinheisser ew3 model lav. The DR10 was much better at reducing background noise and reverb etc. is that more to do with the microphone attached to the DR10? Wondering if I could get these mics and attach them to my ew3 for better audio quality?
@@curtisjudd Thanks! I could send a sample if you're curious. I'm going to be be swapping lavs between the Seinheisser EW3 and the DR-10 to see if changing that variable makes a decent amount of difference. I can't find out what model of lav mic the DR-10. All the descriptions on B&H etc. are all very generic.
Hi Curtis, I noticed you plugged in the sanken cos-11d Lavalier to the Tascam and It sounds awesome but I have quick question. The Spec sheet for this mic requires 3-10v but most common aaa are only 1.5v? I saw in the spec sheet from the tascam an option for mics without their own power supply name mic bias. What is that? is that how you use this combination??
Hi, good question. While the DR-10L is powered by a 1.5V AAA battery, if you turn on bias power for a mic (most lavalier mics need this power and it is also sometimes called plug-in power - 3 - 10V) the device actually converts the power sent to the mic so that it receives the power it needs. Voltage can change across a circuit designed to do that much like you can change water pressure in plumbing using a special coupling. I hope that makes sense.
Curtis Judd, Thanks for your response. I’m definitely open to buying any lav mic, be it a Sanken or something that comes close, if it gives significant improvement to the sound quality. These units have simplified my production workflow immensely. The real budget issue is lacking funds to upgrade to the Lectrosonics portable digital recorders or a similar recorder with better preamps and other internal components. I would be very interested to see a comparison video between the Lectrosonics unit and the Tascam 10-L comparing noise floors, and also a comparison of how the Tascam 10 L sounds with various compatible lav mics. Thanks again for your help...Cole
I assume you mean the Tascam mic and not the Sanken. If so, I’d probably opt for the Sennheiser. But if you meant the Sanken, then I would definitely choose the Sanken.
So it's basically an updated DR-10CS without the passthrough Sennheiser out jack, plus a descent mic. At least they are selling this one in the US. I had to get the DR-10CS from the UK for $250....no mic.
Hello, from you experience of i use dr-10 in couple with zoom h5, would i experience any drift in post production??? or any synchronization problems.I was about to buy zoom F1, and when the possibility popup to buy the DR-10L for 130usd. and i am almost convinced since i thing by default Tascam has better kit lavalier mic than zoom F1.
@@curtisjudd, Is it better to use in couples the recorders from the same manufacturer? like Zoom F1 and H4 ? or there will be a drift regardless of the brands and despite any combination?
@@jukarnarius Possibly. You might try with the gear you have first and see how it goes. I think it is largely going to depend on how long a long take is for you. In most cases, decent recorders will still be good at 20 or 30 minutes.
Hi Curtis, thanks a lot for your video, great as usual! Since this was done in 2016, is there any other recorder you would recommend at this price point now with similar features? Also, which would be your favourite lav mic to substitute the one included that you think would be worth the upgrade? Finally, have you tried already the Clippy Mono Omni? I watched a few videos on UA-cam and it seems great for the price but can’t find many reviews for it. Thanks!
Hi Henry, at this price, the 10L is still the best I've used - I haven't had a chance to try the Clippy. The Sanken COS-11D is a solid replacement lavalier, but comes at a substantial price.
I have budget to buy 2 Tascam DR-10L or... 1 Tascam DR-10L + 1 Zoom H4n Pro. I need these to make interviews, most of the time with 2 persons at the same time. What would you commend me to do?
Hey Curtis well done, thorough review as always - thanks. One question: what's your opinion on this Tascam unit vs. the Little DARing vs. the Rode Smart Lav with an iPhone. I've been using the SmartLav with an older iPhone 5c and the Rode recording app and have been getting excellent results for about two years (I have a couple of Sennheiser wireless units that have been collecting dust for a while now). I'm looking to expand and get an additional unit to add to my current single mic set up. Anyway just wondering what your thoughts were on the matter.
Hi Frank, I find the smartLav+ and phone to be a great solution for v-logging and things of that nature, but when it comes to paid jobs, I rather prefer some of the additional features on the dedicated audio recorders like the Tascam and Little DARling. The first and most useful of these features is the locking microphone plug. I don't want a groom to accidentally pull the mic plug out of the recorder and not realize it until its too late. The dual level recording feature is also a great feature to give you options when doing paid jobs. Overall, one can make great recordings with any of these, but when it is a paid job I'm working on, I shy away from the phone option. I hope that makes sense and best wishes!
The included mic is decent. It introduces a little bit of noise, but you'd probably need to spend somewhere around $200 to get a mic that is significantly better in my experience.
Hey Curtis! Just picked up one of this after watching your review a while back actually. Have my first event tomorrow. Am wondering if you think auto level or mid-level...both with the limiter on...would be the best option? Got an opinion? Thx!
Man, I wish I could get a device as small as this for no more than $99. I really hope a disruptive company like Aputure comes out of left field and releases a competing, more inexpensive device. (The Zoom H1 is nice and small and cheap, but this form factor would be sweet.)
I could see someone doing it without a lavalier mic, but to get a mic and recorder of this grade for $99, that would be quite a feat. But then again, we used to think it impossible to make a stereo field recorder with quality preamps for less than $1000 USD.
I primarily use this mic as backup on a wedding day, but I've found that when vows or toasts are being projected over a speaker, even when it's a good distance away, this lav likes to pick up that audio more than the person's natural voice... have you run into this issue at all? I've tested it against my RodeLink wireless system in the same situations and the Rodes perform much better...
I don't shoot weddings anymore so I haven't found myself in this situation. Thanks for sharing - might be worth creating a video demonstrating this issue. Thanks!
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hey Curtis, think you could review the Sanken CS3E shotgun mic? thinking of making the leap, heard it's got great reach and fairly good indoor performance (though I already have an MKH-50 on the way). love your channel man.
Was looking at getting a Lectro PDR because it is Lectro and is timecode jammable. But, your review makes me think as rarely as I would need a no RF solution, I would be better off with this Tascam and let post deal with sync. Thanks for the review.
Interesting. Not sure the headphone out is up to the recording quality standards of most that will use this type of device, but good idea for monitoring remotely!
Love your videos. Just subscribed. Keep up the great work! 🙂
Thanks Andre.
lol that limiter test, but nice review
Thanks!
was watching with my headphones up, scared the shit out of me hahaha
I can't believe how useful this entire channel is for comparing and learning about anything audio. And I'm absolutely blown away how much interaction there is in regards to answering people questions (even the questions that people could easily Google). Incredible job!
Thanks King Curse!
Hello Curtis and best wishes into 2017 !
Thanks for all the great videos. I have a suggestion for a future episode: Introduction to boompoles, mounts and blimps/deadcats. It would be great to see like 3 grades : entry level , mid level and pro levels of this equipment. I'm trying to upgrade my "broom stick" boompole to proper setup and can't find a good comprihensive introduction to this setup and how it properly fits together. I will end up probably NTG-3 but that's all I have to go with right now. Anyways Happpy New year!
Thank you Zdenek and best wishes on a great 2017 to you. Thank you also for the suggestion - great idea, I have added it to my list.
Hey Curtis, wondering if you can help me understand something... From what I can see in the Tascam DR10L manual it says it can provide 2v of plug-in power, and from what I see on the Sanken COS 11d specs it says it requires at least 3v-10v of power. Do you know if this affects the Sanken's output/quality? I'm still shopping between the Tascam DR10L/Zoom F2/Tentacle Sync Track E, but would like to add a higher quality lav than the ones that come with those, ie: the Sanken or a Sennheiser MKE 2 or maybe a Countryman or VT500 etc. I'm worried about the power requirements for those lavs paired with these recorders. Wondering if you have already spoken about this in one of your videos or perhaps can run through it quick in an upcoming stream? Thanks so much!
Hi Dave, you can listen to the samples here to see if you think it degrades the audio quality. It does not appear to have damaged my COS-11D.
@@curtisjudd Yea, I mean, sounds great in your video! I was thinking about this particular matter since watching the announcement stream for the Zoom F2, where someone mentioned it can only provide 2.5v plug-in power and therefore not work with some higher end lavs that require more power, like 5v.. which got me worried about which recorder/lav combo to look at. At least I know the Sanken will work with the Tascam. Thanks again.
How do the preamps on this compare with the H4n Pro or the DR-05? I'm currently using the H4n Pro and love the audio quality I get (worlds better than my previous DR-05 I used for 2 years). Would've loved to see a preamp comparison like in your other videos, because the form and price of this DR-10L would make me want to get it for an extra lav system.
It sounds very similar to the H4n (and all the Zoom recorders) and with about the same self-noise (very little). It is much cleaner than the DR-05 (which I also have).
Thank you. That's great to hear then. I want an extra lav system that's portable but would only do it if it it's at least better than the DR-05 (which is still nice for the price but not very clean-sounding). Will be adding this to my list :)
I hope it works well for you!
Hello Curtis. I have only just ventured into the world of video by buying a camcorder to document (other than merely by photographs) a trip I will be making to Ireland next Spring. The situation is this. I am taking my mother's ashes for burial and have hired an operatic tenor to sing during the Requiem Mass. The camcorder will be focused on the alter but the tenor will be situated in the choir loft behind the camera. Similarly, I also want to improve the sound quality of the everyday use of the camcorder. I have seen several of your videos and have come up with some alternatives to get the job done without breaking the bank. I was thinking of going with the JK MicJ 044 lavalier for the tenor and either the Rode VideoMic Pro or the Azden SMX-10 shotgun mic for everyday use. The Zoom H1 might be a further step up but that introduces the need for clapping and syncing not to mention added expense. What are your thoughts on this? If you have any suggestions or advice, I would sincerely appreciate your feedback.
Hi Brian, great that you are planning ahead! How close to the back of the camera will the singer be situated? The JK MicJ's cable is only about 1 - 1.5 meters so not a lot of reach there. Lavalier mics do not tend to do well picking up sound that is far away, really meant to wear directly on the person speaking/singing. The RODE VideoMic Pro would probably be the first thing I'd reach for in this situation and find a way to aim it up at the singer. Assuming you are several meters away from the singer, you'll also pick up the reverence of the cathedral which is great. I hope you all the best!
Hi Curtis, Thanks for your speedy response. Yes, I thought that there might be a problem with the length of the JK Mic's cable so I thought that perhaps I could find an extension. I'm sure that somewhere in my research I saw a lavalier with a 20' cable. Failing that, I'll go with the Rode. Thanks again for your help.
Please review the Tascam DR10L vs the Zoom F1 lav. They seem very similar and this video doesn’t exist yet.
I am working on a review of the F1 and can share my impressions on which I would choose for which situations.
Curtis Judd perfect! Thank you.
With lavaliers, does it make a noticeable difference wether they use an xlr connector or a mini jack (as in this review)?
+Ernoburger totally depends on the mic and the preamp you’re using. The design of the microphone seems to make a bigger difference than the connector it uses.
Thanks a lot for the info and yet another informative video. While researching the Tascam, I saw that Zaxcom is coming out with a really small recorder as well, the ZFR400. I think you mentioned in one of your videos that firms like Zaxcom are providers professionals use a lot, so I can imagine it will probably be much more expensive than the Tascam. Do you think you'll get a chance to review the ZFR400 in the future?
I'd like to review the Zaxcom but I don't have access to them except by purchasing with my own funds so I must confess that the chances are pretty slim for the time being.
Can use Tascam DR-10X like lavalier?
Thanks.
Yes
I have buy for my DR-10X a XLR adaptor to minijack - and its not working. ( Not register the sound)
The timing is going, but without sound.
Oh, ok. Does the microphone you are using require phantom power? Does it have it's own power source (e.g., in-built battery or battery compartment)?
Awesome little recorder. Great option too for those cameras with no audio input.
That's another good case I forgot to mention, thanks for that!
Hey Curtis! I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between this and the Zoom H1 :)
Gay Shrink Any particular reason why? Better pre-amps? Better build quality?
Good idea, thanks for that!
Yea that would be a good comparison..
Curtis Judd
Can you please tell me which is better, this device or the zoom h1, I intend to vlog outdoors with the sony rx 100 Mark v
I can guess your house is so cold.
Yes, I shoot in the basement and we live at 6000 feet altitude in the Rocky Mountains. Brrrrrr....
Another option is the Tascam DR-10C. I know it's not available here in the US but you can easily buy it on eBay. Paid around $210 for mine and it does send the audio to your camera/recorder. I heard this model isn't available in America due copyright infringements... 😔😔 Good video as always!
Thanks for the info Marina!
can't find the dr-10c anywhere :(
nice sharing Marina
A bit baffled by this comment. Read the specs of DR-10C and nothing indicates that it can wireless transmit the audio signal to a receiver...but i am very new and miss the specs. Can you clarify ?
windcover is actually on the inside of the metal grill
nice sharing, thanks..
Thank you.
Don't know if you know this already, but in June this year they released a new firmware update which adds a bunch of new features (MP3 recording at 128 or 192), choosing -6db or -12db for dual record mode, and level meters displaying during recording.
That’s great news, thanks for the update!
Thanks for another great video my friend! It sounds pretty good. I recommended this to one of my professors about a month ago. He needed to record his lectures for an online coarse. Although he has yet to purchase it, when he does you know I am going to "borrow" it from him. ;-)
Cheers,
Greg
Haha! Let me know what you think once you get your hands on it.
Thank you for committing to the limiter test. You're the man.
If I can get my hands on a 10L 😀
Good afternoon Curtis, how comparable is the sound of the new Zoom F2 to the Tascam DR10L?
I didn't have them in my possession at the same time so I never got a chance to compare them side by side. However, I think the bigger factor is the microphone you use. With the Sanken COS-11D, they both sounded better.
@@curtisjudd thanks Curtis, like always, you're a valuable beacon of guidance. I don't have the Sankens but do have a few Countryman B3's...and yes sir, they sound better than the lavs included with the Zoom F2's. Also, when and if ever I get financing for a significant project, you'll be the one I'll be reaching out to hire. Wishful thinking right!
Curtis, I have a pressing concern...I have seen Countryman B3's being used with the DR10L. If I'm not mistaken, the DR10L has a mic bias output of 2 Volts, do you think this adversely affects the noise floor of recordings with the Countryman B3 as it requires 3 Volts? Please advise.
Hi Javier, good question but I'm not sure of the answer. The Sanken mic I used in this video apparently also needs more than the 2V the Tascam provides. It seemed ok, but that's a subjective assessment.
@@curtisjudd I just heard of ZOOM's soon to be released F2 which will offer 32-bit float recording...it will also output 2.5volts. Would the 32-bit float affect such mics in any way? Also, what are your thoughts on the F2 and its 32-bit float recording? Gamechanger? Enabler for the inept such as myself? As always, you are top tier, Curtis....thanks.
@@usernamenotvisibIe Hi Javier, I have placed a pre-order for the F2 so that I can review it. 32-bit float with multiple converters doesn't affect the microphone, but most lavalier microphones can limit the dynamic range you can record. However, for spoken word recording, the F2 or the Tentacle Sync Track E (another 32-bit float body pack recorder) with a decent lavalier will not be easy to distort by over modulating. For body pack recording, 32-bit float significantly reduces the risk of distorted/clipped audio. However, it comes at the cost of additional work in post. Also, it does not solve the problem of forgetting to start the recording or accidentally pulling out a cable or detecting any other sort of interference or microphone failure. So it is a step in the right direction rather than a game changer in my little mind. 😀
Syncing with Pluraleyes is easy. That's what I recommend and I use multiple external recorders to sync to the camera with no issues. It's almost fully automatic. :-) Thanks again for the great video Curtis!
Thanks! Pluraleyes is a good way to solve the syncing problem!
Bushido Photo, LLC I’m HUGE fan of pluraleyes...most important software/gear I have!
It shows me ‘card error’ message. How do I format the Mini SD card?
Not sure, best to contact Tascam support. Best wishes!
hi curtis, your videos have been an invaluable learning source so
thanks! i have two lavalier mics (sanken cos 11-d and rode lavalier) and
want to do some videos involving two people cooking and chatting. i was
thinking of connecting the lavs to two tascam dr-10/zoom h1n or one of
each. this kind of wired setup fits into my current budget. do you think
this would work well? also would the audio out of the tascam be better
than the zoom or are they comparable? it would be a lot cheaper for me
to get two h1n but if the preamps in the tascam makes worth it, i'd opt
for the tascam. i think the zoom f1 is a little chunky so unless there's
a reason why i should go for it, i think i'd rather the tascam dr-10
i also can buy one set of a used sennheiser g3 receiver and transmitter for about the same price as the tascam dr-10 at the moment so i'm unsure if i should go for that (which would allow monitoring of one microphone, and i could record to the h1n with the other microphone and wait for another cheap g3 to pop up) or just stick with a wired system. i'm inexperienced so am unsure if this would make syncing in post difficult but also don't mind too much and like learning how to do new things
Hi Luca, you could go either way. Note that wireless takes more time to get set, potentially, unless you use it in the same place every time. It definitely gives you the ability to monitor which is good. I guess I'd probably go with the G3. Best wishes!
What a difference in sound when you changed the position of the mic : I
+Marcos L yes, almost always better when positioned on the head.
Nice review! Do you know if it's possible to run a 3.5mm plug from the earphone output to a DSLR camera and record direct to the camera file with this recorder?
I suppose you could, yes.
@@curtisjudd Thank you for the quick reply.
Thorough review as usual. I picked up this little guy a few years ago, and just now pulled it out and used it with a Sony a5000 for fun. The sound quality is surprisingly good from my experience. And I have no problem syncing it in post with DaVinci Resolve. I'm glad I decided to use it again. I think it could be a time saver should my other options fail or run out of power.
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Love it. Glad Tascam worked around legal issues that kept predecessor out of U.S. market.
I agree!
The version with a top plate that has pass thru to use it as a backup for wireless is banned.... you can get a replacement top plate on eBay.
still relevant. thank you for the effort and the sharing. do you know if the levels for the dual record function are adjustable or are they set at a specific level (-3db or -6db as an example)? i am an appreciative subscriber. thumbs up.
Hi, it’s been a while since I had this, but my recollection is that the safety track is locked at -6dB. There have been some firmware updates since I borrowed this for the review so it may have changed.
@@curtisjudd you are kind to reply. that is why i subscribe. you are one of my go-tos. thanks. if you are ever in nyc, i owe you coffee!
@@smalltalk.productions9977 Thanks!
I was not prepared for the limiter test. 😂 (wearing headphones)
😀
I just bought the DR-10L and, while I would give it a demerit for the difficulty I have with the slider for power on/off and record (no fingernails!) I really like the unit. Where it fails for me is not the problem with the DR-10L but probably the lav mic that comes with it. I record motorcycle riding videos for my TexasTwoLane.com UA-cam channel and I'm trying to find ways to reduce wind noise. The mic, with both its supplied windscreen and an extra, dead-cat style muff on it and mounted behind the chin guard of my full-face helmet, has a lot of distortion at 70mph. The face of the helmet is open. The Zoom H1 I had been using did a better job but I had been hoping to improve on that. Up until 60-70mph the audio sounds great from the DR-10L. Then, there's more distortion than wind noise. I've experiment with the settings including the Limiter ON and OFF. Please know that I'm a long-time professional network news cameraman and video editor. You mentioned the Sanken COS-11D. Wow. Really expensive! But, if it was the magic elixir to cure strong wind noise, then I would invest in it if I knew which model worked with the DR-10L. Link to the right one please? Finally, yes, I experimented with different mic gain settings going all the way down to the lowest. Still major distortion, just at a lower level. I have Dual Recording going on as well with the second track set to be -12db down. Any suggestions?
Hi Don, do you have any samples online I could watch/listen to? I suspect the wind is still hitting the mic capsule.
Ahhhhhhh the limiter test freaked me out! Lol Excellent video, lots of good info. I'm buying one of these to pair with my Rode Wireless Go so I can sync audio for my Sony A5100 which doesn't have a mic jack.
I hope it works well for you! 👍
This lavalier mic looks just like the Sennheiser ME2. :D
Looks like it but sounds a little different.
It is indeed a very good recorder; smooth sound and easy to use. The explanations given are precise and create a real pleasure!
👍
Where can I find more information about the XML file? i’ve been looking, but no luck so far.
User manual or Tascam support.
Realy impressed with the smooth audio from that little Tascam. How much magic did you work into post?
I've been experimenting with the Rode lav while recording my blog in the car capturing the audio on my phone, this looks like a nice upgrade from that setup.
No post processing whatsoever. I think the magic is in where the mic is placed. It sounds awesome when hidden under a hat or in hair at the hairline.
Hi Curtis! Thanks for a great video AGAIN! This recorder comes with the Tascam TM-10LB microphone which I think gives a nice rich and full sound, BUT unfortunately is very noisy so it needs a lot of post tweaking. I have tried using the Rode-lav that came with my wireless Rodelink but that mike does not have the same rich sound, and it has a major problem with static interference when the cable gets close to the transmitter. Do you know of any third party lav-mic (preferably with a screw on sleeve) in the same price range as these mikes, about 70-90 USD, that I can buy to upgrade both the Tascam and the Rodelink to in order to get rid of the static noise in the Rode, and Lower noise floor in the Tascam?
ALL WELL From Sweden!
I’m sorry, I don’t know of any great options in the sub $100 range that outperforms these.
I have 2 Sennheiser EW 100 G3 wireless kits, the Sennheiser ME 2 Omnidirectional Condenser Lavalier Microphone would I be better using this lavalier than the one that Tascam supplies with the DR-10L
Hmm, you'd need to experiment. They seem roughly similar to me from memory. I used the ME2 a few years back for one project. My impression was that it is a little brighter than I'd like for most voices. The same applies to the Tascam mic unless mounted somewhere on the talent's head (which is far more time consuming).
Great video! Do you recommend enabling the "Auto Level" and "Limiter" when recording outdoors?
Hi Luis, I would not recommend using the Auto Level under any circumstances as it has a tendency to lift the noise floor in rather dramatic fashion in between phrases. The limiter is digital so not super helpful, but can save you a little bit of time in post by pre-compressing the transient spikes. But it is still very important to get your gain set correctly with enough headroom for people getting quite loud. Normally, I aim to get the peaks around -18 to -12 at the most. Good luck!
Dude, consider calling your cell phone while doing the proximity RF interference test to truly test for RF interference. When calls come into your phone is when you'll get interference if you didn't already know. Great video and know I'll look for your review of the Zoom F2.
Yep, good input. F2 review here: ua-cam.com/video/2y51ptCAOdI/v-deo.html
Great review Curtis! I got two of these recently and they're so easy to set up. Actually, the dual record combined with the auto setting makes it super easy to just throw on a talent on a basic conversation type of set up and record easily untethered and without the fear of interference, distance, or obstructions. Cheers!
Thanks for that! Great to hear real-world experience of fellow shooters!
Really helpful. Thank you.
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I have a headset mic and want to only record normal talking voice . I wanted to get either the Sony pcm-a10 or the zoom h6 as these recorders have very low noise floor. I, however, cannot get either of them for some reason. Would you know if the noise floor on the tascam dr-10l body be around the same as that of either the zoom h6 or the sony pcm-a10 ? Secondly , would removing the noise from tascam dr-10l in post production, affect the quality of the voice ?
I haven't specifically compared the H6, DR-10L, or PCM-A10 so I don't know for sure. But I found the DR-10L to be quite good as demonstrated here.
i been waiting for this!!!
I hope this helps!
I need a mic that wont rustle and make a ton of noise when I’m moving, running, and doing everyday stuff. Is this the right mic? If not what is?
A headset mic is better for that. Otherwise, it is all about experimenting until you find the right place for hiding a lavalier. Production sound mixers, boom operators, and utilities spend their entire careers perfecting that art. Experiment, experiment, experiment. Also, this video might help: ua-cam.com/video/RxcQz4VFGXA/v-deo.html
Thanks so much
Hi Curtis! I have purchased a Tascam DR-10L and I am just getting familiar with it. It really improves my audio...love it!
I would like to ask a logistical questions of you.
I currently use my iphone for recording the video (and the audio that goes with it) and then sync my great Tascam audio later with editing software.
What I do find is that the little Record start/stop control is super tiny and of course the recorder is clipped to by back pocket so it is not easy to access. My inclination is to just leave it on and recording throughout my entire session for efficiency sake. Is this a wise decision? I know that there is the "syncing clap" that needs to happen at the start for easy syncing later on my software. If I chop up the audio and get rid of the unusable recordings, it seems like I will I lose my easy syncing capability.
Hmmm. What is your suggestion? What do you normally do? Thank you so much!
Hi! I usually just let it run for the entire ceremony when shooting weddings
Syncing is no problem?
It isn't easy, but it hasn't created any issues where I could not get them in sync. There are a variety of options to help save time with sync. Most of the major video editing apps can automatically sync the video with the audio clip one by one IF the camera recorded good reference audio. Pluraleyes can make it even faster, again, if the camera captured good reference audio. Timecode generators are the most efficient tools for automating sync in post, but also cost the most. Here's one example: ua-cam.com/video/o36XYOPp0BE/v-deo.html
I'm really interested in this mic for a video podcast discussion between me and guests. The reason over traditional podcast mics is that my guests will not be creators and I want as natural a conversation as possible without a big mic in their face. My worry is each mic picking up other guests audio (I think this is called phasing - sorry bit of an audio noob) - how do I overcome this as lavs tend to pick up a lot of sound around them?
Space people as far apart as possible to prevent microphone bleed. Mix in post so that you attenuate the mic of the person not currently speaking.
Have you any idea how I switch off the key lock on this recorder.
Come to use it and the keys are locked but I cannot find any mention of this in the manual.
Hi Paul, I'm sorry, I don't remember as I only had this on loan for the review. I'd contact Tascam support. They should be able to help out. Good luck!
Great video thanks!
Thanks Dr. Reyes! Happy recording!
Just clap in front of the camera to sync in post. Dead easy and surprising accurate. That is why professional movie makers use clipboards.
Agreed!
Does Mobile phone Frequency harms an audio, when it is calling ??? Thanks
Yes, potentially.
Do you know of anyone using this for motorcycle audio. I use several GoPros on my HD and of course the built in sound is going to be the Harley vs wind noise. However, this unit seems to be easily inserted into the helmet and would seem to be a hand clap away from syncing in post. Your opinion??
I have heard of people using this for motorcycle touring videos, yes. And exactly right - they mount the microphone in their helmet, clap at the start and sync easily in post. Seems like a good solution for that use case.
Hey... great video here, very informative, answered all questions I had about this product.
Thanks Odell!
I just perchanced the DR 10L want I'm wondering is can you hook up a wireless system to it so you can record two people at same time?
Not a way that I know of, unfortunately.
There we go! The review I've been waiting for! As soon as the dog's walked and the coffee's brewed I'll be sitting down and giving this a watch. Almost as exciting as settling in for the season finale of Westworld....
.... almost. :)
I'm honored that this video would rank anywhere near Westworld. :)
I think that another good point is that it is a system with "unlimited tracks". If you do an interview with two people, you can record them to left and right just fine with 2 channel audio. But if there are 3+ people involved, this can be a better solution. For non live production.
Hi, you mean you can add more units for unlimited tracks?
@@curtisjudd well yes, in the simplest and most stupid way possible. You can just keep using more of them to add to people and then sync up the audio in your NLE.
This seems like really good value for money
That's the same thing I thought.
how hard is it to sync in post with something like davinci resolve? seems like if it's off by even a milisecond you're going to notice.
If the recordings are not too long, Sync should work fine.
Curtis, Last week I had two Tascam DR-10L's connected to two men outdoors standing 5 feet from one another. Both settings in the DR-10L's
were identical internally. When I brought the audio tracks from both recorders into Davinci Resolve 16 there was a pre-echo and sync issue
when I wanted to get both people's sound levels equal. I synced up individually both individuals precisely to the audio, but when I try to blend
them together no matter if I line them both up automatically or manually I still get a very annoying pre-echo combined with everything being
off sync. I can only use the sound of one of the individuals, but this presents a new problem, since both people are 5 feet apart the sound
of the person's track I choose to use speaks louder than the other person. I wanted both person's volume to be optimum with this terrible
echo and or sync problem.
Have you experienced this issue? Can two or more people have these recorders attached and bringing them into a timeline won't present
an audio problem?
Hi, it sounds like you may be getting some mic bleed - a common problem with omni-directional lavaliers. In post, you'll want to cut out the mic bleed parts (the part of the track for the person not currently talking) to avoid that echo. This is not unique to the Tascam, it is a just the laws of physics. Best wishes!
@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis, this is the best explanation I got so far. Those omni mikes do have a wide
pick-up pattern. Trying to lower the track will still be impossible, because the outdoor city sounds passers-by, vehicles passing will still present the problem even if I attempt to lower the voice of the other person.
My option I believe is to purchase the Boya BY-WM8 Pro -k2 DUAL Wireless lab system, at least I think
regardless of the lavaliers pick up pattern and no matter of the proximity of two people standing near each
other the fact that both transmitters will be going into one receiver, this mic bleed should be eliminated.
Am I correct?
Is it possible to use the DR10 - L with a time code unit to input time code via the audio track just like you can of the GH5?
Hi Paul, I don’t believe that would be possible given the single mic input. Some might say you could use a splitter and send audio in one channel, timecode in the other but my experience is that you get crosstalk in unbalanced cables like that (i.e., can hear the timecode signal in the mic channel.)
Thank you.
Do you think it is much better than an iPhone with aputure lav and maybe wireless headphones to monitor?
The Tascam would definitely be more robust - locking plug for the microphone, smaller, "stop" switch is nearly impossible to bump. But the Aputure is a lot less expensive if you've already got the phone. :)
would you recommend this for podcasting?
No, I usually prefer a directional microphone for podcasting. Something like a RODE NT-USB Mini on the affordable end.
Curtis, I just went to B&H's site and read that the BOYA BY-WM8 PRO K2 Dual Channel System come with two
lavalier mics that have omni-directional polar patterns. Am I correct that the two signals from both receivers
going into the SINGLE CHANNEL RECEIVER shall totally eliminate any microphone bleed?
No, those will still get mic bleed depending on how close the two people are situated.
@@curtisjudd Wow. What's the perfect sweet spot 3, 4, 5 or 10 feet from each other. Every Dual
Wireless system sold by B&H all come with Omni-directional polar pattern microphones from the
cheapest system to the most expensive. How close or far should two people be conducting a two
person interview with two Omni mic's? Can you put up a video explaining and demonstrating this
issue? What's the proven science?
You are the expert that everyone depends on for answers, consumers depend on you, your credibility
level is vey high, I'm depending on you for a concrete solution. I can't afford to blow any amount of
money on the wrong product.
The two individuals I worked with kept a distance of about five feet from each other throughout the
shoot, so in my case 5 feet wasn't the sweet spot.
I'm depending on you Curtis to help me out. I need a sure thing solution. Why doesn't the owners
manual of the Tascam DR-10L alert consumers that using two of these recorders with the supplied
microphones can cause "mic bleed"? when two people are 5 feet apart from each other. Using these
mics on three or more people must really be a nightmare.
@@TheShabazzProduction Usually, we fix mic bleed in post. You put people at a comfortable distance and mix in post. In post, you attenuate the channel of the person not currently talking. You can do that by actually cutting out that portion, or just automate the fader so that the bleed cannot be heard in the mix. I hope that makes sense?
Looking forward to the review of the Pro version🙏🏽
We’ve got it in house and testing presently. Should have our review around the end of July. 👍
Geez Curtis. That limiter test... my ears. Shitty day? 😂
Just a little real-world test. 😀
how do you monitor sound recording ? I guess you don't. I guess this is just a redundant recorder.
Exactly. That is the big downside to working with a recorder like this. No monitoring.
Hi Curtis, if someone already has a couple good lavs (AT899, B6) - what is the difference in the DR-10L vs. just plugging those into, say a DR-05 / DR-22L?? Doesn't the DR-05 provide "plug-in" power for lavs?? Aside from the size and feature set, not sure I'm seeing the $200 price tag.
By the way, the Tascam lav sounds just as good or better than the Sanken (never been a fan of the COS-11D, plus it is overpriced).
Hi, yes, the DR-05 provides plug-in power. My tests suggest that the microphone preamplifier on the DR-10L is improved over the DR-05 in terms of self noise performance (less hiss). I haven't used the DR-22 so I'm not sure how it compares to that. I think the price is justified in cases where you need a smaller device (e.g., hiding the recorder on a bride for a wedding shoot). The safety track recording at lower gain feature is also big. I don't recall seeing that option on the DR-05.
I wouldn't suggest that one cannot make good recordings with the DR-05 or 22, but in cases where a smaller recorder is needed and the safety track feature would be helpful, the 10L is worth a look.
Hi Curtis. Have you any suggestions for a mic cover for this particular lav mic? Such as the Sanken RM11 that's used for under clothing. Hard to ascertain which ones are compatible with the DR10L lav mic! Thanks Alan
I'm sorry, I don't. I usually use moleskin instead.
@@curtisjudd Thanks.
Can the mke2 be used on the DR10L?
Should work, yes.
stop normalizing using winter clothes inside.
Hahaha! If you lived at 6000’ elevation in the Rocky Mountains and had to make videos in your basement, you would too.
What is the pillar pattern of the lav mic included.
The included lavalier microphone has an omni-directional polar pattern.
looks like a good choice : thanks for your videos :D
Thanks Julian.
I plan to use this for a wedding and put it on the groom. Should I put this in Auto Mode for the sound level? I normally would prefer to use a Manual sound setting, but since the recorder has to also pick up the minister and bride, it seems like Auto Volume might be better. Thanks for your help - this was a great video.
Hi Tom, I would set up a test before doing that at a wedding. I have never had good luck with auto gain modes.
Curtis. This is working well with Sennheiser, Sony and Beyer mics well? I meaning power level and impedance. Can You please test it?
Hi! Unfortunately I don't have any of these microphones available on hand to test. I'll try a few others and see how we go.
I did test a JK MicJ 044 and it worked great. I'm betting the others you listed will be good as well.
Hmm. I will try it. The price is bargain for do a test. Maybe is a good idea for them to do a timecode input as well for wireless timecode systems. Let me see inside this secondary safe record channel... maybe I can hack it. BTW, thank You for sharing and for the video!
Do you have any recommendations for lavalier mics to replace the mic for this recorder? I'm hoping to upgrade but can't afford two Sanken mics. Thanks and great video!
How about Voice Technologies VT500 or DEITY W.Lav?
VT500: ua-cam.com/video/9c74PsslcOk/v-deo.html
W.Lav: ua-cam.com/video/4-kM_xN5sPA/v-deo.html
@@curtisjudd I will research these. Thanks!
exellent post. Thank you verymuch !
Thank you Dan.
Limiter Testing video special when?
Irrelevant in 2023 now that there are the the ZOOM F3 and Tentacle Track E 32-bit float recorders.
I just filmed a video where talent had this mic on and a seinheisser ew3 model lav. The DR10 was much better at reducing background noise and reverb etc. is that more to do with the microphone attached to the DR10? Wondering if I could get these mics and attach them to my ew3 for better audio quality?
Yes, I would guess that has more to do with the mic, but would need to hear samples to be certain.
@@curtisjudd Thanks! I could send a sample if you're curious. I'm going to be be swapping lavs between the Seinheisser EW3 and the DR-10 to see if changing that variable makes a decent amount of difference. I can't find out what model of lav mic the DR-10. All the descriptions on B&H etc. are all very generic.
Hi Curtis, I noticed you plugged in the sanken cos-11d Lavalier to the Tascam and It sounds awesome but I have quick question. The Spec sheet for this mic requires 3-10v but most common aaa are only 1.5v? I saw in the spec sheet from the tascam an option for mics without their own power supply name mic bias. What is that? is that how you use this combination??
Hi, good question. While the DR-10L is powered by a 1.5V AAA battery, if you turn on bias power for a mic (most lavalier mics need this power and it is also sometimes called plug-in power - 3 - 10V) the device actually converts the power sent to the mic so that it receives the power it needs. Voltage can change across a circuit designed to do that much like you can change water pressure in plumbing using a special coupling. I hope that makes sense.
Curtis Judd thank you so much for your time, i will make sure to buy both through your links. awesome review.
Thanks Daniel.
Hi Curtis, have any suggestions for alternate mic's that can be used with the Tascam DR-10L?
What’s your budget? There are a lot of pro level mics that are quite a lot better but not too many midrange priced mics.
Curtis Judd,
Thanks for your response. I’m definitely open to buying any lav mic, be it a Sanken or something that comes close, if it gives significant improvement to the sound quality. These units have simplified my production workflow immensely. The real budget issue is lacking funds to upgrade to the Lectrosonics portable digital recorders or a similar recorder with better preamps and other internal components. I would be very interested to see a comparison video between the Lectrosonics unit and the Tascam 10-L comparing noise floors, and also a comparison of how the Tascam 10 L sounds with various compatible lav mics. Thanks again for your help...Cole
Great review, thanks!
I'm curious, is an internal battery still required when running off usb power?
No, not required.
Cool, thanks
why a trs jack ? is it balanced mono ? thanks.
But also delivers power which is why it uses a TRS connector.
Excellent video, great info. I love this mic. Thank you.
Thanks Matthew!
This lavalier mic vs the ME2 II lavalier mic?
I assume you mean the Tascam mic and not the Sanken. If so, I’d probably opt for the Sennheiser. But if you meant the Sanken, then I would definitely choose the Sanken.
So it's basically an updated DR-10CS without the passthrough Sennheiser out jack, plus a descent mic. At least they are selling this one in the US. I had to get the DR-10CS from the UK for $250....no mic.
As far as I know. Good to have an option in the US now.
Hello, from you experience of i use dr-10 in couple with zoom h5, would i experience any drift in post production??? or any synchronization problems.I was about to buy zoom F1, and when the possibility popup to buy the DR-10L for 130usd.
and i am almost convinced since i thing by default Tascam has better kit lavalier mic than zoom F1.
I haven’t specifically tested that. For long takes, there likely will be drift.
@@curtisjudd, Is it better to use in couples the recorders from the same manufacturer? like Zoom F1 and H4 ? or there will be a drift regardless of the brands and despite any combination?
@@jukarnarius Possibly. You might try with the gear you have first and see how it goes. I think it is largely going to depend on how long a long take is for you. In most cases, decent recorders will still be good at 20 or 30 minutes.
Hi Curtis, thanks a lot for your video, great as usual!
Since this was done in 2016, is there any other recorder you would recommend at this price point now with similar features?
Also, which would be your favourite lav mic to substitute the one included that you think would be worth the upgrade?
Finally, have you tried already the Clippy Mono Omni? I watched a few videos on UA-cam and it seems great for the price but can’t find many reviews for it.
Thanks!
Hi Henry, at this price, the 10L is still the best I've used - I haven't had a chance to try the Clippy. The Sanken COS-11D is a solid replacement lavalier, but comes at a substantial price.
Great video. Thank You
You’re welcome!
That limiter test made me burst out laughing in public. Great review. Thank you.
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I have budget to buy 2 Tascam DR-10L or... 1 Tascam DR-10L + 1 Zoom H4n Pro. I need these to make interviews, most of the time with 2 persons at the same time. What would you commend me to do?
If the plan is to use lavalier mics, two DR-10Ls should do the job nicely. Good luck!
Hey Curtis well done, thorough review as always - thanks. One question: what's your opinion on this Tascam unit vs. the Little DARing vs. the Rode Smart Lav with an iPhone. I've been using the SmartLav with an older iPhone 5c and the Rode recording app and have been getting excellent results for about two years (I have a couple of Sennheiser wireless units that have been collecting dust for a while now). I'm looking to expand and get an additional unit to add to my current single mic set up. Anyway just wondering what your thoughts were on the matter.
Hi Frank, I find the smartLav+ and phone to be a great solution for v-logging and things of that nature, but when it comes to paid jobs, I rather prefer some of the additional features on the dedicated audio recorders like the Tascam and Little DARling. The first and most useful of these features is the locking microphone plug. I don't want a groom to accidentally pull the mic plug out of the recorder and not realize it until its too late. The dual level recording feature is also a great feature to give you options when doing paid jobs. Overall, one can make great recordings with any of these, but when it is a paid job I'm working on, I shy away from the phone option. I hope that makes sense and best wishes!
Curtis did you like the lavalier mic that comes with it? is it a condenser mic? or you have other recommendation?
The included mic is decent. It introduces a little bit of noise, but you'd probably need to spend somewhere around $200 to get a mic that is significantly better in my experience.
Hey Curtis! Just picked up one of this after watching your review a while back actually. Have my first event tomorrow. Am wondering if you think auto level or mid-level...both with the limiter on...would be the best option? Got an opinion? Thx!
Hi Jeff, I would do a sound check and watch the meter while adjusting the input level so that it peaks at about -18 to -12 dB. Good luck!
Man, I wish I could get a device as small as this for no more than $99. I really hope a disruptive company like Aputure comes out of left field and releases a competing, more inexpensive device. (The Zoom H1 is nice and small and cheap, but this form factor would be sweet.)
I could see someone doing it without a lavalier mic, but to get a mic and recorder of this grade for $99, that would be quite a feat. But then again, we used to think it impossible to make a stereo field recorder with quality preamps for less than $1000 USD.
This dude must be cold..
This dude was cold - late December in the Rocky Mountains at 6000' altitude, in a basement. Trust me, it was cold. 😀
@@curtisjudd i am from Russia, i can understand that clearly
@@borisvoinov No doubt! 😂
I primarily use this mic as backup on a wedding day, but I've found that when vows or toasts are being projected over a speaker, even when it's a good distance away, this lav likes to pick up that audio more than the person's natural voice... have you run into this issue at all? I've tested it against my RodeLink wireless system in the same situations and the Rodes perform much better...
I don't shoot weddings anymore so I haven't found myself in this situation. Thanks for sharing - might be worth creating a video demonstrating this issue. Thanks!
does it have plugin power to mic, i have a countryman mic that needs 2.5 volts😲
Yes, it does.
Curtis Judd perfect🙆 too bad they cost two whole wide hundred dollars
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I do not have one - per the note in the video, this was on loan from B&H for this review.
hey Curtis, think you could review the Sanken CS3E shotgun mic? thinking of making the leap, heard it's got great reach and fairly good indoor performance (though I already have an MKH-50 on the way). love your channel man.
Hey! I've got the CS3E on my list for sure. Thanks and congrats on the MKH50. Love that mic!
Was looking at getting a Lectro PDR because it is Lectro and is timecode jammable. But, your review makes me think as rarely as I would need a no RF solution, I would be better off with this Tascam and let post deal with sync. Thanks for the review.
You're most welcome. I'm hoping to get a PDR in for review as well.
My 2 cents: Run the headphone out into a wireless transmitter, and you can monitor/record to external unit.
Interesting. Not sure the headphone out is up to the recording quality standards of most that will use this type of device, but good idea for monitoring remotely!
How would you set this up? My big concern on this product is making sure the recording is happening.