***Corrections & Clarifications*** -The phrase "sound quality" is perhaps not accurate here, all 4 of these subwoofers have good sound quality. What the REL and Rythmik have more of is articulation and bass detail. -Correct setup will be vital in having the best experience. -Will add more if anything comes to mind.
I appreciate the $h!t outta this video man! Like I said before to you, I love my SB3000's in my living room setup, but I'm putting together a music only system now and I don't think I'll go with them for this purpose. I do like my music pretty loud at times(maybe 90db) and I listen to a lot of hip-hop(I know that's not very audiophile, but it is what it is). Maybe I could set them up better, but I do hear them even at 55hz crossover on bass heavy music. I'm really interested in the Rythmik F12's with an upgraded amp that has speaker level inputs. That direct servo tech is interesting to me. When I finally decide to part with the money I'll let you know my experience. BTW, what state do you live in? I'm in Ohio.
@@JosephTongret I'm in southern california. I think i might be buying an F12SE next honestly, I'm really curious about what that thing can do and surprisingly there is not a single review up on youtube for the F12. Hip-hop not audiophile? Bro i literally use Put On by Young Geezy to setup subwoofers lol. For what it's worth i did push the Rythmik L12 to 90db with bass heavy music and i did feel i was pushing it a bit too much at that point in my 12x10x9 room but a pair of them should be more than capable.
Ironically, when you say X sub is better for music or for a 50/50 those are ideal for movies. I currently have 2 x polk dsw pro 550s connected via speaker level to my front Magnepans. I watch movies, I listen to music, I even game on my setup. How well the subwoofer(s) integrates matters a lot. When subs are setup ideally they really don't draw attention to themselves, even when the bass hits. The system basically will have wider range. After I got my subs I noticed some music I thought had "bass" only had a "50hz bump" and other music I didn't think have much bass had very deep bass. The extra range and detail can totally change the experience. Grab any random action movie, you'll enjoy them more.
@@jaakanshorter Yeah i agree but bass is also really personal, I've seen guys with 4 18" subs in a small room so maximum integration and bass detail is not the priority for everyone especially in the HT realm where LFE and output are more important initially.
I really like your style of review. The reason is you spend all of the time explaining capability using facts and personal analysis. This is better to inform a buying decision, as opposed to some reviewers who give emotion and and the audiophile equivalent of a wine snob. Very well done.
Thanks AF, i do get subjective sometimes when a product fits my personal taste or if the value is really good but i always lay down the technical differences.
Been going back and forth on the Rythmik L12 and REL HT1205 Mk ii for a 100% music, 2-channel system in a small/medium room. You've convinced me to go with the Rythmik. Thanks for all the great info in your videos!
Recently purchased an L12, desired a sub that leaned towards musical over HT; Your comments about it are spot on. Followed their guidelines for setup, dialed it in, and yes- even though it was functioning I found myself going over and checking to make sure it was on. Have been very impressed with how well it integrates musically in a single sub setup- it's there, does a great job at filling out the low end, but doesn't draw attention to itself. When watching movies in HT environment it is more than adequate.
Great video. What's your pick between the REL HT/1205 vs the RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII? Home theater and music. The REL is on sale right now. So they're the same price. $450
wow! this is a popular question today, the RSL will play louder while the original 1205 will have have a higher level of fidelity overall. Its a tough decision to make but I think the OG 1205 at $450 is a no brainer.
Another great no BS review. We count on you for that. So glad you touched on multisub. IMO that is way more important than another inch in woofer size, 100 watts in power, or $100 in price. Thumbs up.
Bro I would kill for another inch... Oh you mean the subwoofers right! lol :D. Sidenote I'm working on setting up these dual Rythmiks right now, I kind of miss the simplicity of setting up 1 sub.
Hi, thanks for the great video. I have a smaller room at 10.5' x 17.5' by 7' height, would the L12 be enough for that space? I'm considering between that and the SB2000/SB3000, but the L12 is cheaper than both of those.
I've seen guys with rooms that size run 4x 18" subs so the question of how much is enough is difficult to answer however you're between an SQ sub and an SPL sub, you should watch this short vid and that will help you decide which direction to go in: ua-cam.com/video/rEz03XkcslI/v-deo.htmlsi=OjmxAhfdnB8WK9OG
I’ve had a REL Stadium 2 for over 20 years and I absolutely love it. Use it both for music and movies and can’t fault it. Literally rattles the living room
@Lloyd Stout speed = inaudible group delay performance. Accuracy and punch = frequency response and time alignment. Rattling with music just means it's playing loud as shit. You can't avoid shit rattling from pure sound pressure
Nice video a lot of info in a simple way, brother according to your experience would I feel a lot of difference between the new svs PB-1000 Pro Ported and the 2000 series Ported? I just got the PB-1000 PRO and between getting a second one or upgrade to the 2000 pro. Thanks
I havn’t heard that one. The cheapest sub I recommend is the JBL 550p when it’s on sale on Amazon for $197. After that the Emotiva SE8 is fantastic at $299.
Another good vid. We appreciate you man! Questions: What would give more slam and presence? Two 8-in subs or one larger 13-in sub? Assume a room that's ~15x20 ft I'm thinking the two smaller subs will give you better musicality when you want it but would it not give the home theater effect of the single larger sub or not? The primary use in that room would be home theater
Two 8" subs have the same surface are of a single 11" sub so the single 13" will have more cone surface area and more maximum output all other things being equal. I would not use 8" subs in a home theater unless it's something with good power like the Aperion Bravus 8D, a pair of those would have a ton of output and dual subs will give you more consistent bass from seat to seat. But to answer your question, 1 13" sub will generally outperform 2 8" subs.
@nemo as always great video! With the price increase of rel and rythmik has your opinion changed on these? I’ve been thinking about an HT1003 or L12 based on price. Any advice?
Thanks Jilu! So If you're in the USA L12 is an easy choice for sure. If you are outside of the USA then you cannot buy Rythmik so 1003 or SB1000 pro are good options for that price range.
@@NemoPropaganda maybe not the right place to ask this. Would you spend your money on an ares II or a single L12. Using an iotavx SA3 with triangle BR03s.
@@Jpanic4 oooo that's a good question, you should join our discord, easier to chat there discord.gg/pNtZkqh8 buuuuut to answer your question.. hmmmm for me personally? Okay so remember it's me, I'm saying what I would do. Okay so I love bass, I can never be happy with speakers only, I absolutely require good bass in my system to really enjoy it so for that reason if I was forced to choose between ares2 first or Rythmik L12 first I would for sure go with the Rythmik L12 first. But I hope you're in the USA because they don't really ship out of the country.
Nice, I like comparisons :) A big reason why these subs need so much power is that small sealed enclosures are very inefficient and also roll off early. To compensate you need a lot of active dsp/eq which costs amplifier power and restricts maximal output - hence the large amps. The Emotiva uses a PR which makes it a lot more efficient
I know this isn’t part of your review but do you have a preference between the PSA Tv42 Ipal and JTR Captivator 4000? Looking to start a home theater build that will double as music entertainment for the kids. Any advice or recommendations on center, front and rear speakers would be greatly appreciated as well and room dimensions are 21 by 30. Thanks in advance definitely have a new subscriber .
Wooo brother those are some monsters you're looking at, soooo I'm not crazy into HT but I do know a bit about bass. So instead of doing a single ULF or TV42 I would actually prefer dual Rythmik FV25HP at $4940. Here is the math on why: single PSA TV42 is 693 square inches of cone area, 3800w, for $4750. A single JTR ULF has 510 square inches of cone area and 4000w for $4200, and dual Rythmik FV25HP has 707 square inches of cone area and 3600w for $4940. As you can see for just a little more cash you get dual subs which will give you more even bass distribution, more motor force, maximum output is anyone's guess as all 3 options are monsters but i think the best SQ will be accomplished with dual Rythmiks opposed to a single ULF or JTR. As far as rall the speakers go the sky is the limit with something amazing at every price point from Emotiva to Focal and everything in between. I suggest establishing a budget for the 5 speakers first and going from there kind of like you have done with the subs. Keep in mind for a truly immersive experience you'll want a good processor/avr that ideally has some sort of room correction like Dirac as most guys these days start with 5.1 and end up somewhere in 9.2+ land with speakers everywhere so you'll want a processor/avr that can grow with you. Hope this helps and sorry i could not give a more specific answer, it's just so much of this hobby is personal taste.
Just found your channel...Great reviews. I will be watching! I have a quick question. I own Schiit Pre-amp and Amp for my Maggies LRS speakers. The room is small...11x 13 and the bass starts to roll off from the maggies at around 100Hz. I was thinking of the REL T series for adding base but your review of the Emotiva SE12 made the decision more interesting. Would you recommend the SE12 or SE8 for Vinyl only listening and set the switch at 100HZ or 80Hz. What do you think?
Hi Staci, as much as I love the Emotiva brand and all of their products the answer is no I don't recommend the SE12 or the SE8 for your system. instead I would look at the REL T series or the Rythmik F12 as you are going to need maximum speed and excellent integration to not lose the magic the Magnepan's bring to the table.
i have a rel t7i and you're right about the big booming subs taking over the music the rel blends in very nice and it is connect up is different than other subs you connect to the speaker post and signal hits the speakers and the sub at the same time with the other connection their is a split second delay i;m very happy with my rel sub happy listening :)
The best low-end upgrade I've done apart from purchasing a REL ti series subwoofer was partnering it up with an exact same sub! Now each stereo speaker has its own subwoofer and believe it or not the integration is a whole lot easier/smoother! The funny thing is I didn't think the low-end could sound any better but now after going dual... the upgraded Sonic performance is absolutely astonishing! Gotta go stereo for the stereos
Thanks for your review ! How would you compare the SVS SB-3000 versus the B&W DB4S (which are in France in the same range of price) ? Which would you prefer for musical purpose ? Thanks !
It depends how big the room is, the SB3000 is far more capable and I have not heard the DB4S specifically so I can't comment on the comparison. BW do somehow make their subwoofers extend very low and very deep despite being small than the competition and having less power. Do keep in mind the 1000w of the DB4s is peak power and not RMS. If you can try and hear the two units before making a purchase. The sound of each brand is very different.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks a lot for your answer. Would you know the RMS power of the DB4S ? I would love to hear both, but SVS is bad distributed in France, there are very few shop who have it. So I will have to choose without being able to hear the SVS. I m afraid that the SB-3000 would be too invasive for music purpose, don’t you think ?
@@alantranouez2815 The DB4S is most likely 500w RMS, the SB-3000 can integrate well but also can make it's presence known a bit. If the DB4S is like other BW subs it should disappear in the room a little better.
Sealed or ported? I'm guessing sealed, my room is 12x20-ish so I don't need mega power, I have a klipsch 12 in ported and a def tech 10in sealed, currently, want to upgrade in the future, leaning towards REL ice heard a LOT of good things/reviews
generally ported offers more output while sealed has less output but overall better definition. If you're on a budget and looking for max output ported is the way to go. If money isn't an issue go sealed, enjoy.
Thank you! I ended up getting a REL HT 1205 for my setup to replace an F 1500 B Velodyne as an interim based on your review. You kinda speak my language and seem like you have a similar taste to mine. I think its going to stay, as I absolutely love what it does to my eclectic taste in music and movies. The articulation and speed is beautiful when listening to some Victor Wooten as much as some double bass of Lamb of God or the like, Jazz, classical, rock even early punk/goth like Bauhaus (Bela Lugosi is Dead) to more technical EDM like Spiffy man or Trentemoller... it handles everything properly in their genre and environment. Good job, keep it up and dig the car analogies! Take care
Hey Sean, I'm happy it was a good fit for you! The 1205 is pretty damn good value at it's price IMO which is odd as REL is generally not a "value" oriented company.
Great review/ I have an old Rocket 10” and an SVS SB2000. I am moving and wonder if my new dedicated theater room (12x14) would benefit from 2 PB1000 Pro or stick with a single SB3000.
I actually reviewed it (link below) and it was great. SVS makes a great subwoofer and a lot of people use them for music. I used my SB3000 for music for over a year and loved it but using the REL now i find i have more bass detail so personally i like the rel a little more. Bass is very personal though so if you can, try to hear them. If you can't this might sound stupid but flip a coin or buy the one you think is better looking, both companies have generous in home trials :) ua-cam.com/video/a4BjRPVKTv4/v-deo.html
Which sub you think is best for my home theater 85% of the time watching tv a rel 1205 or sb 3000 or pb2000 pro i like action movies and alot of horror films definitely
pb2000 will be the loudest, sb3000 second loudest, and then 1205 v2. If loudness is not your concern the sound quality goes in order or 1205 v2, the sb3000, then pb2000. You want loudest go for pb2000, you want best sound go for 1205 v2, you want to be in the middle a bit go for 3000, good luck!
I've actually never heard the SB-1000, But since I'm 90% music and only 10% movies I think if $500 was my budget I'd get the REL 1003, if $400 was my budget I'd step down to $300 and get the Emotiva SE8, it doesn't kick out as much bass but I liked the smaller size a lot and I would save up to plan to add a second one later :D but like all things bass is very personal. The Aperion Bravus 8D is another amazing $400 subwoofer.
no, I don't really think about stuff like that, electronics in general mostly last long enough when bought form reputable brands. Of course sometimes they fail too, It's just a part of life I accept. If you look at the vintage scene tons of gear is still rocking!
Thinking of upgrading a subwoofer on my Definitive Technology 9060 surround system. Looking at a SVS SB4000 subwoofer and I'm hearing some goods things about it. What's advice can you provid? Would it be overkill considering my bp9060 towers already have builtin subwoofers? Thx
Hey Clos, bass is very personal as far as what is overkill and what is the right amount. It's like how fast should a fast car be, how spicy is too much, etc... It only matters what your taste is :). If you want more bass then for sure add a subwoofer. As far as the SB4000 itself I'd say it just depends how big your room is and if you're doing this for theater or music.
BTW are you saying that the SVS SB line isn't good for music? I'm getting the SB 2000 Pro delivered to my door soon and I'd be sad to learn that I should have picked up the REL 1205s instead!
Good comparisons review. Wattage does not necessarily mean higher volume. Depends on sub design, ie, sealed, ported, size, etc. Some micro-subs have very high wattage but cant provide same slam, impact or volume that larger, ported subs can. I know you mean it in a general sense, but some ppl may take it too literally and may not get the best sub for their needs based on that. Anyway, great channel!
For dual subs you want them to match yes. If they don't match the overall sound will most likely be of the lesser model instead of a blend of both. You can also run into phase issues among other things. So technically yes you can, but you shouldn't if it can be avoided.
Thanks for the video. I have a Rel T7i and was thinking of getting this rel ht above for a 50/50 hifi cinema system. Would it work would be able to adjust correctly please?
@@soopy1975 Yes! REL actually believes you should use both T series and either their HT series together! Like the T series to reinforce your main speakers and the HT or S series give the ultra low end bass.
A small sealed cabinet is gonna have a rapid acoustical roll-off. To combat that, small subs need powefull amps, high excursion drivers and DSP. With more power handling you can DSP your way into even lower regions (just a 6dB attenuation requires twice the amp power). TL/DR: more watts = more better (in general).
Nemo, thanks for the review. I look forward to your reviews. I once saw you question a suggested pairing of a Rel T7i with Buchardt S400 speakers because the Buchardts are pretty much full range and they both go to about 20htz. Did i understand that correctly?
Hey Scott, yeah both of those items go down to 30hz so I'm not sure that would be a good pairing, honestly the S400 is really challenging to pair with a subwoofer anyway because of the rear firing radiator and it makes A LOT of it's own bass already. The longer i own them the more i think they are just best in 2.0 channel with no sub.
First of all, wonderful video you have here. I really enjoyed how concise you were with the information and how well put together it was. You were straight to the point and didn't waste any time. Second of all, what subwoofers would you recommend in the $200-$300 range for a home theater? I don't know the first thing about buying a subwoofer but what I do know is that ever since I watched Dune in theaters back in October of 2021, I love bass. I'm just looking for a subwoofer than can create those deep sounds better than the subwoofer I have now without spending an enormous amount of money. Thank you in advance!
Thank's Ben, so it's a bit hard to find a great sub at that price but there is 1 option, I havn't reviewed it yet but I do have it here, the Jamo C912 which is on sale right now for the low price of $229. It's an absolute deal and as good as you can get for the money. It's a 12" in a properly sized cabinet and designed correctly which is pretty rare at this price point.
I have a relatively small room with Dynaudio Evoke 20 speakers paired with a cambridge cxa81 amplifier & a B&W ASW608 sub. What’s the benefit of getting, per say, a Dynaudio Sub 3 ($1400 10” sub) in comparison to my current sub ($500 8”)??? I have expensive speakers and a nice amp, so I just want to make sure i’m not missing out on anything when it comes to the sub. I don’t play music loudly, so the power output isn’t that important to me, but is the bass quality going to be better on a more expensive sub?
Sorry posted from the wrong account, so yeah if you watch my REL T9X video it will be more clear but the answer depends on if the more expensive subwoofer is SPL focused or SQ focused. If you're looking for a sound quality upgrade consider something like the REL T5X pair or if you're in the USA as single Rythmik F12.
Love your reviews. Subscribed! I've got a case of analysis paralysis picking a sub right now. I have Magnepan .7 speakers on order and I'm trying to decide which sub to get. I think I'm going for the Rythmik F12 but keep going back to the RELs. I want something that is musical but enough to satisfy my HT needs. UGH!
I'm possibly going to buy an F12SE fairly soon here so if you can wait a little bit I'll be able to comment on that soon. Or you can go for the known quantity and get dual REL T7i for music and add a HT-1205 you turn on for LFE only when your watching movies if the dual t7i's aren't enough. One of my subscribers uses dual REL HT-1003 for his mixed system and he said it was a great match for his maggies.
@@NemoPropaganda My trigger finger got itchy and an F12 was delivered yesterday. I’m setting it up today with my older on-wall Klipsch RVX-42 speakers. My Maggies are still four plus weeks out.
@@NemoPropaganda LOL! I set it up today. My quick initial impression is that is sounds a lot let less boomy than my Klipsch Synergy Sub-12. I’m really loving it so far. I’m looking forward to pairing it up with my Maggies and going through my music library. Can’t wait for your review!
Hi, New subscriber here, what do you think about Rythmik L12 vs SVS SB1000? Looks like a fair comparison price wise. Nice to the point review by the way.
Thank you and welcome aboard! I have not heard the SB-1000 but it's cabinet is 1" smaller in every direction compared to the L12 and larger cabinets will have an advantage. If we simply look at specs alone (as I trust both companies are honest in my experience) The SB-1000 +/-3db point is 24hz while the L12 -3db point is 18hz. I believe that will translate to a real world difference giving the L12 with it's slightly larger cabinet an edge. The SB-1000 has some benefits of it's own however like their upgrade program in the first year and they have a gloss black or white option (+$100) which is great!
I am trying out one SVS sb-3000 it sounds great but I need two of them $ 2,099.99 that is out my budget. I am getting ready to try out two Rel HT 1205 Monday $898.00 on sail but you seem to real like Rythmik L12 for two 1,198.00. Do you thank for $300.00 more would it be worth it getting L12? Room is 14.5' X 21' & 14.5' open to the kitchen. First time trying a sealed subwoofer love the sound of them but you need two of them.
2 subwoofers is awesome but can you share with me what aspects you’re hoping to improve with the addition of a second subwoofer? Dual subs help a lot with wider seating arrangements and headroom. Is that what you want more of?
@@kyleturner7627 yes, just keep in mind sound fast and actually being fast are not the same thing, the L12 doesn't sound fast because it extends very low, but if you pay attention to its start stop behavior and transients you will find it to be the best in this price category.
Yes they are polyester sound dampening panels, I tried to find the best looking ones :) www.amazon.com/dp/B081JSL96Y/ref=twister_B081JSJT3J?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I am about 6 weeks into ownership of an SVS sb4000 and can't rate it highly enough in my cinema room. Would love to go dual but space and cost are limiting factors.Another enjoyable video explaining the bang for buck ratio.
Late to the game on this one…excellent and very, very helpful. You may have already covered this - I’ll keep searching for where you have if so - for small room listening to add depth, detail and even clarity, and about the same SPL range (75-85db) as what was stated…what are some of the better “affordable” solutions? Super integration, not wanting to actually “hear” the sub. Thanks! 🙏🏼
Hey John, Rythmik L12 is the cheapest subwoofer I know of that has those characteristics. The good news it's still extends very low and can still play plenty loud if you want it to. The next cheapest would be Rythmik F12-400 at $849 then FVX12 at $949, then F12/F12SE at $1029-$1149 or a pair of REL T5X at $1358.
To not "hear" the sub you'll need to do proper placement and integration. That means a crossover between the sub and mains! I can't stress this enough, you need a crossover between subs and mains for proper integration, so many audiophiles are ridiculously ignorant on this matter!
Never heard it but my understanding is it's voiced for home theater only. At that price I would suggest an RSL speedwoofer though over just about anything.
I have a question, I would like to have two subwoofers for my surround sound. My question is can I mix SVS 2000 and REL 1250? also I have B&W 603 would that be a good pairing together with the subwoofers?
Came across your channel while searching for REL reviews. Looking to replace 18 yr old Axiom sub and was really interested in HT1205. But my HT is mostly for movies, not music. May have to give some serious thought on the Emotiva or SVS as well. Good stuff. Will watch your other reviews for sure.
Hi, I have a question for you. Is it better a 1-Male to 2-male cable for a Subwoofer (like the Mediabridge Ultra Series RCA Y-Adapter (8 feet) 1-male to 2-male, on Amazon) than a 1-male to 1-male cable (like the SVSPRCAAIC2M SoundPath - RCA Male to RCA Male Audio Interconnec, at B&H)? Thanks
If your sub output is 1 RCA output personally I would prefer to use the Y cable as you have suggested. While circuitry varies generally you will have a bit of a stronger voltage output using the Y cable as opposed to a single cable. A single male/male cable is not wrong either though.
The SE can’t do much below about 28hz and having 2 won’t change that so i would grab the single L12. The SE8 is one of the best subs for someone who can’t spend more than $300 though as it has honest power and a very clean sound which is rare at that price point.
No, that is a big misconception. Generally speaking high-level inputs are an inferior option. There is only 1 scenario in which high level inputs is a better option and that's if it was specifically engineered and designed to be better which adds significant cost for example: REL, their cheapest 12" subwoofer with high level inputs is $2600, their cheapest 10" is the T9i at $1300. Unless you own a REL subwoofer you should always be using Line inputs. Also consider that the high level inputs typically will simply step down to the Line inputs anyway via some kind of high to low converter, granted their is varying circuitry but generally speaking that's 1 extra step in the chain which is undesirable again unless it was specifically engineered to be better. Like a FWD car is not good for performance but Honda specifically engineered the Civic Type R for performance so even though it is FWD it's still badass, but AWD or RWD is generally better and you would not buy a FWD car of another brand or model expecting performance (outside of a few that are engineered for it specifically).
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks so much for your clarification. Indeed it was because of my watching videos from REL and Paul McGowan - both of whom advocate high-level inputs - that I came to think high-level inputs were necessarily better. If line level inputs are better, than we would need to spend more money finding a pre-amp or pre-amp section that can act as an active crossover in a purely stereo set-up (ie non home theatre).
@@drkevintan not really, almost all subwoofers have crossover functions built in. So you just set frequency, gain, and phase. Some subs may also have slope options. If you really want to get anal with it i suppose you could use REW and measure the room to make sure your subwoofer crossover settings are perfect but most people just tune by ear, it's not too difficult to get right.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks again Nemo. The problem will be tapping the signal from say, the integrated amplifier and sending it into the subwoofer. That's what I meant. One would need some kind of electronic crossover or DSP to split the signals to send (a) the main speakers; and (b) the the subwoofer. Wouldn't that be right?
@@drkevintan i suppose you could use a Mini DSP and do something like that but i prefer to run my speakers full range in addition to adding a subwoofer. I don't split the signals nor do i recommend it but a Mini DSP is only $200 so you can certainly experiment with that. There will be some benefit in removing say for example sub 30hz information from smaller bookshelves but i personally feel it's offset by adding an AD to DA conversion and DAC in the mix and relying on the quality of that last DAC in the chain for your final sound quality. I prefer to keep things as simple as possible however I do know other people that rather enjoy having more links in the chain, more settings to adjust and tweak to perfection, etc... It all depends on your personality and how you like to enjoy this hobby. Some of us like to fiddle less, some of us like to fiddle more, there is no right or wrong approach overall.
DEKIRU 24 Pack Acoustic Foam Panels, 12 X 12 X 0.4 from Amazon is what you see in the video. I have other room treatment from GIK that you cannot see in the video. I went with these because I think they look better than the typical foam.
I view open baffle the same way I view other esoteric designs like folded horn, 4th or 6th order bandpass, rotary subwoofers, etc... They do some things amazingly well and have compromises in other areas. That's the main reason we don't see them more often in the marketplace. But if the things they do really well are the things that matter to you, and the areas where they come up short are not important to you then it could be a good fit.
Nice dude, looking forward to your thoughts, just remember subwoofer break-in is really a thing so you'll find yourself turning it down over the next 2 weeks as it breaks in. With that said get the phase and crossover right first then adjust gain only as it breaks in.
wattage is only a single metric and on its own not an indicator of much, I can't really give you advice without knowing more, what is this room used for? What are your goals? How much bass do you want?
I tested the SVS PB3000 and the SB3000, and ended up staying with the PB3000, but now wish I would have kept the SB3000 since it really sounded awesome, and since I'm planning on going duals, the SB3000 takes up so much less space and weights much less too. I now wish I had not gotten into audio...I have 3 bad habits now: Beer, Tech, and Audio! I'll never save up for retirement now!!!
Easy solution, give up the beer lol, all it does is make your bell bell bigger lol. I stopped drinking a few years back, best decision I ever made. Plus the hangover just gets so much worse as we get older.
@@NemoPropaganda so is there a rule of thumb for audio subwoofers versus home theater subwoofers as far as size goes (8" / 10" ect)? or is it a speaker response factor? Thank you
@@markcaruso815 ehhh not really but I can give you my own 2 cents. A loose opinion is 8"-12" is good for Music while 15" and larger is better for home theater but again that's generally speaking. Some people use Funk Audio 21" subwoofers for music and absolutely love them. The REL No.25 is also an amazing 15" sub that would be right at home in a music or ht system and on the other hand the 10" RSL speedwoofer thats loved by many for HT duty despite only being 10" and many claim it's excellent for music also. The SVS PB-1000 is another 10" home theater favorite, and the list goes on.
I got ht1205 and svs 3000 for trail , I am 70%music and 30% movies. For music, I keep svs volume down, rel all the way up. Svs has more punch and rel is quicker. I can’t decide which one to keep .
@@NemoPropaganda , they are on Different phase svs 0 and rel 180 .Music, I run rel 80% volume and svs at -40 db. For movies svs at -5 db. Rel 1205 blends too much with my speakers(Martin Logan 40). With svs, drums sounds better. I think Rels are tighter and quicker than svs. Rel sounds better with music. Movies, svs have more punch than rels. So, I am thinking to keep rel for music and when watching movies run svs with higher volumethan Rel.
@@bhar420 if they are both on the same wall they should typically have the same phase settings but testing this way is wildly in accurate. You want to test each subwoofer in the same location with the same phase and then adjust frequency and volume to your liking. For example on the left side of my room a subwoofer will articulate better and have a strong edge to it while on the right side of my room it will dig deeper and lower but if i move it 12" more to the right it looses a lot of it's low end output. Placement is key and since you're evaluating 2 subwoofers you want to put them both in the same spot. Maybe do 1 for a few days then change them out. Also if both subwoofers are new they both need to break in. My SB3000 broke in over a period of 3 weeks while i bought my REL second hand i can't comment but REL themselves recommends break it.
Yes, the 1205 is larger, it will have all the benefits associated with a larger driver and more power. If you can afford the $700 get the 1205. If not the 1003 is the next best option.
I currently have an Svs sub 12 nsd looking into upgrading it what I really want is something that integrates perfectly with music and with films only draws attention when it’s necessary I am leaning to the Rel 1205 but hope it still does a good job with movies or maybe I should save towards the Rel 1508? My room is not that big so wondering if that might not be overkill ?
Hey Danny, for sure go for the PB2000 Pro. The SB3000 will play a little tighter but its real benifit is its nice and small but if you don't mind the larger size of the PB you will be rewarded with more output overall, a much thicker bottom end, and stronger rumble effects.
I have a Dimension SUB-D 12. I can’t find any information about these. A friend gave it to me with two bookshelf speakers. I’m just trying to figure out how to hook up the subwoofer. I have the bookshelves working without the subwoofer and they sound amazing. But I definitely wanna hook up the subwoofer to get the full affect! The speakers are definitely high quality
sorry my man it's not really possibly to walk you through setup in the youtube comments section, you wanna hop on a forum for something like that, try AVSForums.
Very neophyte here. I just discovered and love your reviews; very clear, very non-gushy bs, very convincing imo. Plus, you're certainly no snob in that you allow and acctually respond clearly to good questions here, with no attitude. I greatly respect that. One question regarding "music sound quality/capability" especially, and since you have compared SVS SB-2000 Pro (my #1 candidate right now) to the SB-3000: Room ~2175 cu ft (13' x 18'); music 80%, TV/Netflix/DVD 20%; volume low to never-above-courteous; mainly classical and blues: speakers are inherited mint B&W 705 (v1): what is your experience/feeling/advice regarding SVS SB-2000 Pro vs Rythmik L12 vs REL HT1205 for the described situation? Or BW ASW608/610? 2x (but 2x would have to be below $1K total, so I don't know). Thank you and best of luck, really great passion and work.
Hi friend, if you were 20% music and 80% TV/DVD i would say SVS for sure! But since you are mostly music like I am then L12 or HT-1205 is better in my opinion. What main speakers will you be using?
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks much for for the fast reply! The speakers are the BW 705 v1 mentioned above (but I think added by edit after your reply). www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/204bw/index.html We inherited them recently, bought a new Int Amp and CD player after 25+ years, and so now are wanting to add a sub. Yes, 70% music 30% HT would be the maximum. We have music on all day, esp w/WFH a lot these days. Also I was just looking at 1 v 2 sub discussion, but our max sub budget is really around $800, and so 2 x BW ASW608 or 2 x SVS SB1000 would have to REALLY be very justified to go to $1K. If 2 is even in fact so much preferable to 1.
@@venessian8579 if my maximum budget was $800 with those speakers i would pair them with the Rythmik L12 for sure. At $560 it’s well below budget so if you decide to add a second one it will be much easier. Additionally i think it’ll blend the best as it’s upper bass is a bit more well defined (with slope set to 12db).
@@NemoPropaganda Super. That was where I was leaning after reading/watching your review and others. I have looked at HSU but no comparative reviews; the REL HT1205 somehow doesn't appeal to me (visually, which is important to me); the Rythmik is nothing special aesthetically but at least is unobtrusive. The SVS SB-2000 Pro is very seductive, esp with the DSP, etc., and I like to design the best, tons of great reviews, but you have listened to all these and I cannot. So, I think I will take your generous advice. Thank you very much (from SoCal too!). Have a safe and wonderful holidays, and obviously a far better 2021 for everyone!
@@venessian8579 The SB-2000 Pro is an outstanding subwoofer and the output champion out of all the subwoofers you mentioned so if you're worried about having enough bass the SB-2000 Pro takes care of that problem, they are the most popular subwoofer brand in the world for good reason and it has nearly double the power of the L12. With that said i still think the L12 will be a better fit for your speakers but that's based on my personal taste to some degree (this hobby is very personal) so if the SB-2000 pro is the one you feel an affinity for, go with that one. They have a 45 day in home trial so it's risk free :). If you're close to Orange County, you're welcome to come have a listen to any of the gear i have on hand, just shoot me an email, it's listed in my about section.
Sorry I'm not sure what you're referring to, i don't think i really talked about ported subs a whole lot here and all the subs in this video are sealed subwoofers.
What a coincidence UA-cam's algorithm picking this video for me to watch after I just got off the phone and ordered the focal 806 speakers! I suppose it doesn't really matter what speakers I choose for the low end because my REL T5i will make them sound great anyway! If you want your music to have refinement at the low-end then look no further than the REL ti series!
What's even more of a coincidence is I just uploaded my review of the Focal Chora 806 right now :D and you'll see in that video I said I felt my REL sub matched it better and I absolutely love that speaker so I think you have a damn fine system my friend :D Those 806 are low volume champions!! ua-cam.com/video/z9w1ZbXM_oE/v-deo.html
@@NemoPropaganda Hey. I have noticed that sealed version won't be able to throw bass far away. Ported, scoop, horn loaded etc etc will throw bass really far away. Sealed if you don't want neighborhood to complaint. And if you have small bungalow. Duh, no one who lives in apartments would never invest " sound systems ".
@@josealfredfernandes I've heard people say that too but I don't know if it's true. I had a ported sub in an apartment :D but i don't listen very loud.
ehhh... I disagree but everyone's room and personal taste is different. I've had good subwoofers that i could not integrate in a way that i was happy with, hell I've read magazine editors saying they could not properly integrate subs in systems that cost many times more what mine cost...
***Corrections & Clarifications***
-The phrase "sound quality" is perhaps not accurate here, all 4 of these subwoofers have good sound quality. What the REL and Rythmik have more of is articulation and bass detail.
-Correct setup will be vital in having the best experience.
-Will add more if anything comes to mind.
I appreciate the $h!t outta this video man! Like I said before to you, I love my SB3000's in my living room setup, but I'm putting together a music only system now and I don't think I'll go with them for this purpose. I do like my music pretty loud at times(maybe 90db) and I listen to a lot of hip-hop(I know that's not very audiophile, but it is what it is). Maybe I could set them up better, but I do hear them even at 55hz crossover on bass heavy music. I'm really interested in the Rythmik F12's with an upgraded amp that has speaker level inputs. That direct servo tech is interesting to me. When I finally decide to part with the money I'll let you know my experience. BTW, what state do you live in? I'm in Ohio.
@@JosephTongret I'm in southern california. I think i might be buying an F12SE next honestly, I'm really curious about what that thing can do and surprisingly there is not a single review up on youtube for the F12. Hip-hop not audiophile? Bro i literally use Put On by Young Geezy to setup subwoofers lol. For what it's worth i did push the Rythmik L12 to 90db with bass heavy music and i did feel i was pushing it a bit too much at that point in my 12x10x9 room but a pair of them should be more than capable.
Ironically, when you say X sub is better for music or for a 50/50 those are ideal for movies. I currently have 2 x polk dsw pro 550s connected via speaker level to my front Magnepans. I watch movies, I listen to music, I even game on my setup. How well the subwoofer(s) integrates matters a lot. When subs are setup ideally they really don't draw attention to themselves, even when the bass hits. The system basically will have wider range. After I got my subs I noticed some music I thought had "bass" only had a "50hz bump" and other music I didn't think have much bass had very deep bass. The extra range and detail can totally change the experience. Grab any random action movie, you'll enjoy them more.
@@jaakanshorter Yeah i agree but bass is also really personal, I've seen guys with 4 18" subs in a small room so maximum integration and bass detail is not the priority for everyone especially in the HT realm where LFE and output are more important initially.
Funny that you put the sb-3000 in the HT corner, i thought SVS has the PB range for the HT market...
“If your sub sounds boxy it’s a piece of $h!t and you need to get rid of it anyway”... HILARIOUS! Great review; short and sweet
Thank you brother!
or you just need to turn it down
@@rodirish7787 Also an option indeed :)
That line made me subscribe.
So you're saying my 4 inch logitech subwoofer isn't good?!?!
I really like your style of review. The reason is you spend all of the time explaining capability using facts and personal analysis. This is better to inform a buying decision, as opposed to some reviewers who give emotion and and the audiophile equivalent of a wine snob. Very well done.
Thanks AF, i do get subjective sometimes when a product fits my personal taste or if the value is really good but i always lay down the technical differences.
When you said a bad word I bust out laughing lol. Wasn’t expecting that.
Good man, you have a good sense of humor, you will live a long and happy life :D
Informative and love how fast and efficient you were.
Been going back and forth on the Rythmik L12 and REL HT1205 Mk ii for a 100% music, 2-channel system in a small/medium room. You've convinced me to go with the Rythmik. Thanks for all the great info in your videos!
This guy is on point. Love it.
Recently purchased an L12, desired a sub that leaned towards musical over HT; Your comments about it are spot on. Followed their guidelines for setup, dialed it in, and yes- even though it was functioning I found myself going over and checking to make sure it was on. Have been very impressed with how well it integrates musically in a single sub setup- it's there, does a great job at filling out the low end, but doesn't draw attention to itself. When watching movies in HT environment it is more than adequate.
Hey Cee, glad you're enjoying it!! It's seriously amazing and the price is so good!!
Great video. What's your pick between the REL HT/1205 vs the RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII? Home theater and music. The REL is on sale right now. So they're the same price. $450
wow! this is a popular question today, the RSL will play louder while the original 1205 will have have a higher level of fidelity overall. Its a tough decision to make but I think the OG 1205 at $450 is a no brainer.
New to this channel. a fan of your approach. great info - no filler....clicked all he appropriate buttons. thanks.
Thank you dude, I appreciate it.
Running two 1205s. Extremely pleased. It does movies and music 50 50 for sure
Hell yeah brother, I'm jealous!! I need to get a second L12.
I have two 1205s also. Will be moving them into a room that is 15' x 28.5' next month. Have a feeling that I may need two more!
@@johnclark3067 I'm jealous, that's a big room!
Another great no BS review. We count on you for that. So glad you touched on multisub. IMO that is way more important than another inch in woofer size, 100 watts in power, or $100 in price. Thumbs up.
Bro I would kill for another inch... Oh you mean the subwoofers right! lol :D. Sidenote I'm working on setting up these dual Rythmiks right now, I kind of miss the simplicity of setting up 1 sub.
Hi. Thanks for all your help. I would like to buy the L12, I’m just not sure between the Black Oak and Black Matte. What do you think?
It just comes down to if you want the more plain look of the matte or the more layered look of the black oak. Personally I'd go for the matte.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks
Hi, thanks for the great video. I have a smaller room at 10.5' x 17.5' by 7' height, would the L12 be enough for that space? I'm considering between that and the SB2000/SB3000, but the L12 is cheaper than both of those.
I've seen guys with rooms that size run 4x 18" subs so the question of how much is enough is difficult to answer however you're between an SQ sub and an SPL sub, you should watch this short vid and that will help you decide which direction to go in: ua-cam.com/video/rEz03XkcslI/v-deo.htmlsi=OjmxAhfdnB8WK9OG
I’ve had a REL Stadium 2 for over 20 years and I absolutely love it. Use it both for music and movies and can’t fault it. Literally rattles the living room
God bless, that's how it should be!!
@Lloyd Stout but i like rattling sometimes :(, I wish i could hide a ported 15" in my room and turn it on just when I'm in the mood for madness :D
@Lloyd Stout speed = inaudible group delay performance. Accuracy and punch = frequency response and time alignment. Rattling with music just means it's playing loud as shit. You can't avoid shit rattling from pure sound pressure
Nice video a lot of info in a simple way, brother according to your experience would I feel a lot of difference between the new svs PB-1000 Pro Ported and the 2000 series Ported? I just got the PB-1000 PRO and between getting a second one or upgrade to the 2000 pro. Thanks
I haven't heard the PB1000, only the SB1000 :(. I would maybe call SVS and see what they have to say about it.
Cambridge axr 100 amp. And dynaudio emit 20 speakers for music only low volumes but sweet bass- thinking Dayton 800 sub. Your thoughts Nemo?
I havn’t heard that one. The cheapest sub I recommend is the JBL 550p when it’s on sale on Amazon for $197. After that the Emotiva SE8 is fantastic at $299.
your channel should have more subs
omg your SN is hilarious bro :D, thanks for the love!!
How dare you make such a good pun?
Another good vid. We appreciate you man! Questions: What would give more slam and presence? Two 8-in subs or one larger 13-in sub? Assume a room that's ~15x20 ft I'm thinking the two smaller subs will give you better musicality when you want it but would it not give the home theater effect of the single larger sub or not? The primary use in that room would be home theater
Two 8" subs have the same surface are of a single 11" sub so the single 13" will have more cone surface area and more maximum output all other things being equal. I would not use 8" subs in a home theater unless it's something with good power like the Aperion Bravus 8D, a pair of those would have a ton of output and dual subs will give you more consistent bass from seat to seat. But to answer your question, 1 13" sub will generally outperform 2 8" subs.
Love your videos! straight to the point and no BS like most crap out there today. Rel 1205 is what I am going for after watching this
Thank's Bill, I appreciate that! The 1205 is fantastic and tough to beat at it's price!!
@nemo as always great video! With the price increase of rel and rythmik has your opinion changed on these? I’ve been thinking about an HT1003 or L12 based on price. Any advice?
Thanks Jilu! So If you're in the USA L12 is an easy choice for sure. If you are outside of the USA then you cannot buy Rythmik so 1003 or SB1000 pro are good options for that price range.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you! Can you convince Rythmik to offer free returns? jk jk :-)
@@Jpanic4 oh don't worry, you won't be returning it :)
@@NemoPropaganda maybe not the right place to ask this. Would you spend your money on an ares II or a single L12. Using an iotavx SA3 with triangle BR03s.
@@Jpanic4 oooo that's a good question, you should join our discord, easier to chat there discord.gg/pNtZkqh8 buuuuut to answer your question.. hmmmm for me personally? Okay so remember it's me, I'm saying what I would do. Okay so I love bass, I can never be happy with speakers only, I absolutely require good bass in my system to really enjoy it so for that reason if I was forced to choose between ares2 first or Rythmik L12 first I would for sure go with the Rythmik L12 first. But I hope you're in the USA because they don't really ship out of the country.
Nice, I like comparisons :)
A big reason why these subs need so much power is that small sealed enclosures are very inefficient and also roll off early. To compensate you need a lot of active dsp/eq which costs amplifier power and restricts maximal output - hence the large amps.
The Emotiva uses a PR which makes it a lot more efficient
Great point! Subwoofer drivers can often times be inefficient as well, like 83db ooof!
@@NemoPropaganda good point as well. The heavy and hence deep playing home theater subs
I know this isn’t part of your review but do you have a preference between the PSA Tv42 Ipal and JTR Captivator 4000? Looking to start a home theater build that will double as music entertainment for the kids. Any advice or recommendations on center, front and rear speakers would be greatly appreciated as well and room dimensions are 21 by 30. Thanks in advance definitely have a new subscriber .
Wooo brother those are some monsters you're looking at, soooo I'm not crazy into HT but I do know a bit about bass. So instead of doing a single ULF or TV42 I would actually prefer dual Rythmik FV25HP at $4940. Here is the math on why: single PSA TV42 is 693 square inches of cone area, 3800w, for $4750. A single JTR ULF has 510 square inches of cone area and 4000w for $4200, and dual Rythmik FV25HP has 707 square inches of cone area and 3600w for $4940. As you can see for just a little more cash you get dual subs which will give you more even bass distribution, more motor force, maximum output is anyone's guess as all 3 options are monsters but i think the best SQ will be accomplished with dual Rythmiks opposed to a single ULF or JTR. As far as rall the speakers go the sky is the limit with something amazing at every price point from Emotiva to Focal and everything in between. I suggest establishing a budget for the 5 speakers first and going from there kind of like you have done with the subs. Keep in mind for a truly immersive experience you'll want a good processor/avr that ideally has some sort of room correction like Dirac as most guys these days start with 5.1 and end up somewhere in 9.2+ land with speakers everywhere so you'll want a processor/avr that can grow with you. Hope this helps and sorry i could not give a more specific answer, it's just so much of this hobby is personal taste.
Just found your channel...Great reviews. I will be watching! I have a quick question. I own Schiit Pre-amp and Amp for my Maggies LRS speakers. The room is small...11x 13 and the bass starts to roll off from the maggies at around 100Hz. I was thinking of the REL T series for adding base but your review of the Emotiva SE12 made the decision more interesting. Would you recommend the SE12 or SE8 for Vinyl only listening and set the switch at 100HZ or 80Hz. What do you think?
Hi Staci, as much as I love the Emotiva brand and all of their products the answer is no I don't recommend the SE12 or the SE8 for your system. instead I would look at the REL T series or the Rythmik F12 as you are going to need maximum speed and excellent integration to not lose the magic the Magnepan's bring to the table.
Wow! Cool energy man! You are going in the rigth direction with your reviews :)
Thanks a ton! I'll try to keep it like this, short, sweet, honest, no note cards lol
i have a rel t7i and you're right about the big booming subs taking over the music the rel blends in very nice and it is connect up is different than other subs you connect to the speaker post and signal hits the speakers and the sub at the same time with the other connection their is a split second delay i;m very happy with my rel sub happy listening :)
Awesome! I have still not heard the T-series, hopefully soon!
The best low-end upgrade I've done apart from purchasing a REL ti series subwoofer was partnering it up with an exact same sub! Now each stereo speaker has its own subwoofer and believe it or not the integration is a whole lot easier/smoother! The funny thing is I didn't think the low-end could sound any better but now after going dual... the upgraded Sonic performance is absolutely astonishing!
Gotta go stereo for the stereos
Thanks for your review ! How would you compare the SVS SB-3000 versus the B&W DB4S (which are in France in the same range of price) ? Which would you prefer for musical purpose ? Thanks !
It depends how big the room is, the SB3000 is far more capable and I have not heard the DB4S specifically so I can't comment on the comparison. BW do somehow make their subwoofers extend very low and very deep despite being small than the competition and having less power. Do keep in mind the 1000w of the DB4s is peak power and not RMS. If you can try and hear the two units before making a purchase. The sound of each brand is very different.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks a lot for your answer.
Would you know the RMS power of the DB4S ?
I would love to hear both, but SVS is bad distributed in France, there are very few shop who have it. So I will have to choose without being able to hear the SVS. I m afraid that the SB-3000 would be too invasive for music purpose, don’t you think ?
@@alantranouez2815 The DB4S is most likely 500w RMS, the SB-3000 can integrate well but also can make it's presence known a bit. If the DB4S is like other BW subs it should disappear in the room a little better.
Great channel! Informative, witty, and to the point. 🙌🏻
Thank you dude! 💪🏼
Sealed or ported? I'm guessing sealed, my room is 12x20-ish so I don't need mega power, I have a klipsch 12 in ported and a def tech 10in sealed, currently, want to upgrade in the future, leaning towards REL ice heard a LOT of good things/reviews
generally ported offers more output while sealed has less output but overall better definition. If you're on a budget and looking for max output ported is the way to go. If money isn't an issue go sealed, enjoy.
Thank you! I ended up getting a REL HT 1205 for my setup to replace an F 1500 B Velodyne as an interim based on your review. You kinda speak my language and seem like you have a similar taste to mine. I think its going to stay, as I absolutely love what it does to my eclectic taste in music and movies. The articulation and speed is beautiful when listening to some Victor Wooten as much as some double bass of Lamb of God or the like, Jazz, classical, rock even early punk/goth like Bauhaus (Bela Lugosi is Dead) to more technical EDM like Spiffy man or Trentemoller... it handles everything properly in their genre and environment. Good job, keep it up and dig the car analogies! Take care
Hey Sean, I'm happy it was a good fit for you! The 1205 is pretty damn good value at it's price IMO which is odd as REL is generally not a "value" oriented company.
Which one you selecte rel ht 1205 or svs sb 2000 pro..
It is for main room, so it's like mix usage ..
original 1205 or the new MK2?
@@NemoPropaganda thanks
Great review/ I have an old Rocket 10” and an SVS SB2000. I am moving and wonder if my new dedicated theater room (12x14) would benefit from 2 PB1000 Pro or stick with a single SB3000.
Anytime someone is between 2 subs from the same brand I think it's best to call the company and get the information straight from the horses mouth :).
That emotiva goes really well with klipsch rp5000. It doesnt draw attention to itself. It sounds like its coming from the towers but it is clean af
What do you think about the SVS sb2000 pro? Is it good for a music system?
I actually reviewed it (link below) and it was great. SVS makes a great subwoofer and a lot of people use them for music. I used my SB3000 for music for over a year and loved it but using the REL now i find i have more bass detail so personally i like the rel a little more. Bass is very personal though so if you can, try to hear them. If you can't this might sound stupid but flip a coin or buy the one you think is better looking, both companies have generous in home trials :)
ua-cam.com/video/a4BjRPVKTv4/v-deo.html
I bought a pair of PB2000 PROs a few months ago. They sound great! I have a giant room with 20 ft ceilings and they work great!
I run a pair of sb2000 pros. Absolutely love them!
Which sub you think is best for my home theater 85% of the time watching tv a rel 1205 or sb 3000 or pb2000 pro i like action movies and alot of horror films definitely
pb2000 will be the loudest, sb3000 second loudest, and then 1205 v2. If loudness is not your concern the sound quality goes in order or 1205 v2, the sb3000, then pb2000. You want loudest go for pb2000, you want best sound go for 1205 v2, you want to be in the middle a bit go for 3000, good luck!
K thanks does the rel 1205 have somewhat room rattling bass
@@jordanking9744 yeah bro, the 1205 v2 on its own can still get plenty loud.
Hi Nemo,
What brand speaker stands are displayed on this video?
Thank you,
Kyle
The matching stands for the Focal Chora 806. They only work with that speaker and are discontinued.
would you say the svs sb1000 is better than the emotiva se12? which would you buy considering the 100 dollar difference?
I've actually never heard the SB-1000, But since I'm 90% music and only 10% movies I think if $500 was my budget I'd get the REL 1003, if $400 was my budget I'd step down to $300 and get the Emotiva SE8, it doesn't kick out as much bass but I liked the smaller size a lot and I would save up to plan to add a second one later :D but like all things bass is very personal. The Aperion Bravus 8D is another amazing $400 subwoofer.
do you have any first hand experience on longevity of those subs? especially after warranty runs out...
no, I don't really think about stuff like that, electronics in general mostly last long enough when bought form reputable brands. Of course sometimes they fail too, It's just a part of life I accept. If you look at the vintage scene tons of gear is still rocking!
Good, quick and concise review for those who are on too busy to listen to a 20min review.
Glad you enjoyed it, I'm going to try and keep them under 10 minutes going forward, it may not always be possible but I think I can do it.
Thinking of upgrading a subwoofer on my Definitive Technology 9060 surround system. Looking at a SVS SB4000 subwoofer and I'm hearing some goods things about it. What's advice can you provid? Would it be overkill considering my bp9060 towers already have builtin subwoofers? Thx
Hey Clos, bass is very personal as far as what is overkill and what is the right amount. It's like how fast should a fast car be, how spicy is too much, etc... It only matters what your taste is :). If you want more bass then for sure add a subwoofer. As far as the SB4000 itself I'd say it just depends how big your room is and if you're doing this for theater or music.
Nemo, you nailed the review completely in just under 4 minutes! Great review and info on each product. Thank you.
Thank you brother!! I got some feedback from someone i respect, he said to shorten the videos and stop using note cards lol, I'm going to try.
I burst out 😂😂😂😂😂
“If your subwoofer is boomy it’s a piece of shit, you should get rid of it”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I agree. 👌👌
BTW are you saying that the SVS SB line isn't good for music? I'm getting the SB 2000 Pro delivered to my door soon and I'd be sad to learn that I should have picked up the REL 1205s instead!
Not at all, it just comes down to taste and how you like your bass. SVS makes an excellent subwoofer.
Good comparisons review. Wattage does not necessarily mean higher volume. Depends on sub design, ie, sealed, ported, size, etc. Some micro-subs have very high wattage but cant provide same slam, impact or volume that larger, ported subs can. I know you mean it in a general sense, but some ppl may take it too literally and may not get the best sub for their needs based on that. Anyway, great channel!
I appreciate you understanding I was speaking in general terms and yes you are 100% correct.
Do you recommend buying the same two brand subs rather than two different subs with comparative power.
For dual subs you want them to match yes. If they don't match the overall sound will most likely be of the lesser model instead of a blend of both. You can also run into phase issues among other things. So technically yes you can, but you shouldn't if it can be avoided.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the advise!!
Thanks for the video. I have a Rel T7i and was thinking of getting this rel ht above for a 50/50 hifi cinema system. Would it work would be able to adjust correctly please?
@@soopy1975 Yes! REL actually believes you should use both T series and either their HT series together! Like the T series to reinforce your main speakers and the HT or S series give the ultra low end bass.
@@NemoPropagandaThanks But I asked on their channel abd they said to stick with the T7s so im a bit confused 🙂
A small sealed cabinet is gonna have a rapid acoustical roll-off. To combat that, small subs need powefull amps, high excursion drivers and DSP. With more power handling you can DSP your way into even lower regions (just a 6dB attenuation requires twice the amp power). TL/DR: more watts = more better (in general).
I like that you said more better :D
Nemo, thanks for the review. I look forward to your reviews. I once saw you question a suggested pairing of a Rel T7i with Buchardt S400 speakers because the Buchardts are pretty much full range and they both go to about 20htz. Did i understand that correctly?
Hey Scott, yeah both of those items go down to 30hz so I'm not sure that would be a good pairing, honestly the S400 is really challenging to pair with a subwoofer anyway because of the rear firing radiator and it makes A LOT of it's own bass already. The longer i own them the more i think they are just best in 2.0 channel with no sub.
Thanks. Hopefully Mads will send you their new amp to review when it is released. Have a good holiday
First of all, wonderful video you have here. I really enjoyed how concise you were with the information and how well put together it was. You were straight to the point and didn't waste any time. Second of all, what subwoofers would you recommend in the $200-$300 range for a home theater? I don't know the first thing about buying a subwoofer but what I do know is that ever since I watched Dune in theaters back in October of 2021, I love bass. I'm just looking for a subwoofer than can create those deep sounds better than the subwoofer I have now without spending an enormous amount of money. Thank you in advance!
Thank's Ben, so it's a bit hard to find a great sub at that price but there is 1 option, I havn't reviewed it yet but I do have it here, the Jamo C912 which is on sale right now for the low price of $229. It's an absolute deal and as good as you can get for the money. It's a 12" in a properly sized cabinet and designed correctly which is pretty rare at this price point.
I have a relatively small room with Dynaudio Evoke 20 speakers paired with a cambridge cxa81 amplifier & a B&W ASW608 sub. What’s the benefit of getting, per say, a Dynaudio Sub 3 ($1400 10” sub) in comparison to my current sub ($500 8”)??? I have expensive speakers and a nice amp, so I just want to make sure i’m not missing out on anything when it comes to the sub. I don’t play music loudly, so the power output isn’t that important to me, but is the bass quality going to be better on a more expensive sub?
Sorry posted from the wrong account, so yeah if you watch my REL T9X video it will be more clear but the answer depends on if the more expensive subwoofer is SPL focused or SQ focused. If you're looking for a sound quality upgrade consider something like the REL T5X pair or if you're in the USA as single Rythmik F12.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you!
Love your reviews. Subscribed!
I've got a case of analysis paralysis picking a sub right now. I have Magnepan .7 speakers on order and I'm trying to decide which sub to get. I think I'm going for the Rythmik F12 but keep going back to the RELs. I want something that is musical but enough to satisfy my HT needs. UGH!
I'm possibly going to buy an F12SE fairly soon here so if you can wait a little bit I'll be able to comment on that soon. Or you can go for the known quantity and get dual REL T7i for music and add a HT-1205 you turn on for LFE only when your watching movies if the dual t7i's aren't enough. One of my subscribers uses dual REL HT-1003 for his mixed system and he said it was a great match for his maggies.
@@NemoPropaganda That would be great! I’m at least another six weeks or so before I receive my new speakers.
@@NemoPropaganda My trigger finger got itchy and an F12 was delivered yesterday. I’m setting it up today with my older on-wall Klipsch RVX-42 speakers. My Maggies are still four plus weeks out.
@@videoproboston2450 me too :D mine deliver tomorrow though, I'm super excited, we're subwoofer brothers now lol.
@@NemoPropaganda LOL! I set it up today. My quick initial impression is that is sounds a lot let less boomy than my Klipsch Synergy Sub-12. I’m really loving it so far. I’m looking forward to pairing it up with my Maggies and going through my music library. Can’t wait for your review!
Hi, New subscriber here, what do you think about Rythmik L12 vs SVS SB1000? Looks like a fair comparison price wise. Nice to the point review by the way.
Thank you and welcome aboard! I have not heard the SB-1000 but it's cabinet is 1" smaller in every direction compared to the L12 and larger cabinets will have an advantage. If we simply look at specs alone (as I trust both companies are honest in my experience) The SB-1000 +/-3db point is 24hz while the L12 -3db point is 18hz. I believe that will translate to a real world difference giving the L12 with it's slightly larger cabinet an edge. The SB-1000 has some benefits of it's own however like their upgrade program in the first year and they have a gloss black or white option (+$100) which is great!
I am trying out one SVS sb-3000 it sounds great but I need two of them $ 2,099.99 that is out my budget. I am getting ready to try out two Rel HT 1205 Monday $898.00 on sail but you seem to real like Rythmik L12 for two 1,198.00. Do you thank for $300.00 more would it be worth it getting L12? Room is 14.5' X 21' & 14.5' open to the kitchen. First time trying a sealed subwoofer love the sound of them but you need two of them.
80% Movies
dual L12 would be my choice due to the price, small cabinet, and extension capabilities. L12 is unbeatable at its price.
@@NemoPropagandaThanks
I have two of the REL HT-1205s for music and home theater they’re great
nice! I still have my 1205, great sub!
I have the PB 4000 and want to buy a second one .. good idea?
2 subwoofers is awesome but can you share with me what aspects you’re hoping to improve with the addition of a second subwoofer? Dual subs help a lot with wider seating arrangements and headroom. Is that what you want more of?
The kind of music i listen to, I DEFINITELY tell when the sub is on. But yes i want accuracy and no resonant bumps.
Hey Nemo, I watched most of the videos about subwoofers and ordered a Monoprice M-10 V2 10in THX Certified Select 500 Watts.
That's cool, those are supposed to be pretty good.
Buy TWO. I did. About 900 total. One has more extension and the other is more 'musical'. It works.
I did that with 3, 1 for extension and the other two (left and right) for articulation and midbass, it was killer :)
Awsome vid!
Nice to the point, no bs. I like that! 😊
Thank you!!
L12 or speedwoofer for low end authority and detail? for music only.
nothing can beat L12 at its price. Speedwoofer is great if you can't afford the L12, but if you can afford the L12 you should get the L12.
@@NemoPropaganda love your videos man, thanks for your input. L12 seems like it will be fast, punchy and musical
@@kyleturner7627 yes, just keep in mind sound fast and actually being fast are not the same thing, the L12 doesn't sound fast because it extends very low, but if you pay attention to its start stop behavior and transients you will find it to be the best in this price category.
What are the black things on the wall, actually aesthetically pleasing if they are sound enhancers
Yes they are polyester sound dampening panels, I tried to find the best looking ones :) www.amazon.com/dp/B081JSL96Y/ref=twister_B081JSJT3J?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I am about 6 weeks into ownership of an SVS sb4000 and can't rate it highly enough in my cinema room. Would love to go dual but space and cost are limiting factors.Another enjoyable video explaining the bang for buck ratio.
Hey John, that SB4000 is a monster for sure!! :D
Late to the game on this one…excellent and very, very helpful. You may have already covered this - I’ll keep searching for where you have if so - for small room listening to add depth, detail and even clarity, and about the same SPL range (75-85db) as what was stated…what are some of the better “affordable” solutions? Super integration, not wanting to actually “hear” the sub. Thanks! 🙏🏼
Hey John, Rythmik L12 is the cheapest subwoofer I know of that has those characteristics. The good news it's still extends very low and can still play plenty loud if you want it to. The next cheapest would be Rythmik F12-400 at $849 then FVX12 at $949, then F12/F12SE at $1029-$1149 or a pair of REL T5X at $1358.
@@NemoPropaganda awesome, thank you!
To not "hear" the sub you'll need to do proper placement and integration. That means a crossover between the sub and mains! I can't stress this enough, you need a crossover between subs and mains for proper integration, so many audiophiles are ridiculously ignorant on this matter!
What are your thought on the polk hts 12
Never heard it but my understanding is it's voiced for home theater only. At that price I would suggest an RSL speedwoofer though over just about anything.
I have a question, I would like to have two subwoofers for my surround sound. My question is can I mix SVS 2000 and REL 1250? also I have B&W 603 would that be a good pairing together with the subwoofers?
I wouldn’t mix those two. I think you’ll run into phase issues.
On Point best review 💯
Appreciate that
Came across your channel while searching for REL reviews. Looking to replace 18 yr old Axiom sub and was really interested in HT1205. But my HT is mostly for movies, not music. May have to give some serious thought on the Emotiva or SVS as well. Good stuff. Will watch your other reviews for sure.
Thanks Roman! Feel free to ask any questions.
Great Review as always!!!!
Thank you Jett!
Hi, I have a question for you. Is it better a 1-Male to 2-male cable for a Subwoofer (like the Mediabridge Ultra Series RCA Y-Adapter (8 feet) 1-male to 2-male, on Amazon) than a 1-male to 1-male cable (like the SVSPRCAAIC2M SoundPath - RCA Male to RCA Male Audio Interconnec, at B&H)? Thanks
If your sub output is 1 RCA output personally I would prefer to use the Y cable as you have suggested. While circuitry varies generally you will have a bit of a stronger voltage output using the Y cable as opposed to a single cable. A single male/male cable is not wrong either though.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks so much.
I think all have a place, budget, room content ect.
Personally I use to run the old Velodynes then HSU now SVS
Thanks for your input brother
couldn't agree more!
Great advice.
Others should take lessons, straight to the point
For a system that will have to do music and home theater, but weighted towards the music, would you go with one Rythmik L12 or two Emotiva SE8s?
The SE can’t do much below about 28hz and having 2 won’t change that so i would grab the single L12. The SE8 is one of the best subs for someone who can’t spend more than $300 though as it has honest power and a very clean sound which is rare at that price point.
Thanks!
Thanks for the great review. For a music set-up wouldn't it be important to have high-level inputs for better coherence of sound?
No, that is a big misconception. Generally speaking high-level inputs are an inferior option. There is only 1 scenario in which high level inputs is a better option and that's if it was specifically engineered and designed to be better which adds significant cost for example: REL, their cheapest 12" subwoofer with high level inputs is $2600, their cheapest 10" is the T9i at $1300. Unless you own a REL subwoofer you should always be using Line inputs. Also consider that the high level inputs typically will simply step down to the Line inputs anyway via some kind of high to low converter, granted their is varying circuitry but generally speaking that's 1 extra step in the chain which is undesirable again unless it was specifically engineered to be better. Like a FWD car is not good for performance but Honda specifically engineered the Civic Type R for performance so even though it is FWD it's still badass, but AWD or RWD is generally better and you would not buy a FWD car of another brand or model expecting performance (outside of a few that are engineered for it specifically).
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks so much for your clarification. Indeed it was because of my watching videos from REL and Paul McGowan - both of whom advocate high-level inputs - that I came to think high-level inputs were necessarily better. If line level inputs are better, than we would need to spend more money finding a pre-amp or pre-amp section that can act as an active crossover in a purely stereo set-up (ie non home theatre).
@@drkevintan not really, almost all subwoofers have crossover functions built in. So you just set frequency, gain, and phase. Some subs may also have slope options. If you really want to get anal with it i suppose you could use REW and measure the room to make sure your subwoofer crossover settings are perfect but most people just tune by ear, it's not too difficult to get right.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks again Nemo. The problem will be tapping the signal from say, the integrated amplifier and sending it into the subwoofer. That's what I meant. One would need some kind of electronic crossover or DSP to split the signals to send (a) the main speakers; and (b) the the subwoofer. Wouldn't that be right?
@@drkevintan i suppose you could use a Mini DSP and do something like that but i prefer to run my speakers full range in addition to adding a subwoofer. I don't split the signals nor do i recommend it but a Mini DSP is only $200 so you can certainly experiment with that. There will be some benefit in removing say for example sub 30hz information from smaller bookshelves but i personally feel it's offset by adding an AD to DA conversion and DAC in the mix and relying on the quality of that last DAC in the chain for your final sound quality. I prefer to keep things as simple as possible however I do know other people that rather enjoy having more links in the chain, more settings to adjust and tweak to perfection, etc... It all depends on your personality and how you like to enjoy this hobby. Some of us like to fiddle less, some of us like to fiddle more, there is no right or wrong approach overall.
I love that he cut a hole in his floor to be waist height with the subs
I’m dedicated to high quality content lol
Hey man, what panels are you using on the wall
DEKIRU 24 Pack Acoustic Foam Panels, 12 X 12 X 0.4 from Amazon is what you see in the video. I have other room treatment from GIK that you cannot see in the video. I went with these because I think they look better than the typical foam.
@@NemoPropaganda they pretty good, thanks man
How about the open baffle craziness from GR research guy.
I view open baffle the same way I view other esoteric designs like folded horn, 4th or 6th order bandpass, rotary subwoofers, etc... They do some things amazingly well and have compromises in other areas. That's the main reason we don't see them more often in the marketplace. But if the things they do really well are the things that matter to you, and the areas where they come up short are not important to you then it could be a good fit.
It's a very enjoyable review to watch and listen to (my first time).
Hey Steve, glad you enjoyed it :)
Seeing the actual size comparison was really cool. Hey I got an HT-1205 delivered today, I will shoot over my thoughts tomorrow.
Nice dude, looking forward to your thoughts, just remember subwoofer break-in is really a thing so you'll find yourself turning it down over the next 2 weeks as it breaks in. With that said get the phase and crossover right first then adjust gain only as it breaks in.
Fair play to you my friend you really are good at what you do... you've got to a stage where you get a thumbs up even before you open your mouth! 👍👍👍
Thank's Plokner!! :)
Thanks for this review
Went looking for that "SPL vs SQ" video.
What is the title of that video?
heres one of them, I also talk about it in the JL E110 video, ua-cam.com/video/rEz03XkcslI/v-deo.html
Hi, I love to see you do a review on the HSU sub, I am hopeful someday you will, have a good one and keep up your good work.
I live 30 minutes away from their warehouse and I've emailed Hsu 3 times. No response.
How many subwoofer watts need for 7200 cubic feet room?
wattage is only a single metric and on its own not an indicator of much, I can't really give you advice without knowing more, what is this room used for? What are your goals? How much bass do you want?
what brand are those bookshelves?
Focal Chora 806. Review coming soon :)
I tested the SVS PB3000 and the SB3000, and ended up staying with the PB3000, but now wish I would have kept the SB3000 since it really sounded awesome, and since I'm planning on going duals, the SB3000 takes up so much less space and weights much less too. I now wish I had not gotten into audio...I have 3 bad habits now: Beer, Tech, and Audio! I'll never save up for retirement now!!!
Easy solution, give up the beer lol, all it does is make your bell bell bigger lol. I stopped drinking a few years back, best decision I ever made. Plus the hangover just gets so much worse as we get older.
@@NemoPropaganda lol yes sir!
Emotiva has a discontinued model for $800. Airmotiv S15 15" Powered Subwoofer. Is a 15in subwoofer too big/slowfor an audio system? Thanks
I don’t think those are in stock anymore :(
@@NemoPropaganda so is there a rule of thumb for audio subwoofers versus home theater subwoofers as far as size goes (8" / 10" ect)? or is it a speaker response factor? Thank you
@@markcaruso815 ehhh not really but I can give you my own 2 cents. A loose opinion is 8"-12" is good for Music while 15" and larger is better for home theater but again that's generally speaking. Some people use Funk Audio 21" subwoofers for music and absolutely love them. The REL No.25 is also an amazing 15" sub that would be right at home in a music or ht system and on the other hand the 10" RSL speedwoofer thats loved by many for HT duty despite only being 10" and many claim it's excellent for music also. The SVS PB-1000 is another 10" home theater favorite, and the list goes on.
I got ht1205 and svs 3000 for trail , I am 70%music and 30% movies. For music, I keep svs volume down, rel all the way up. Svs has more punch and rel is quicker.
I can’t decide which one to keep .
You have the REL all the way up? Are they being tested in the same spot with the same phase and frequency?
@@NemoPropaganda , they are on Different phase svs 0 and rel 180 .Music, I run rel 80% volume and svs at -40 db. For movies svs at -5 db.
Rel 1205 blends too much with my speakers(Martin Logan 40). With svs, drums sounds better. I think Rels are tighter and quicker than svs. Rel sounds better with music. Movies, svs have more punch than rels. So, I am thinking to keep rel for music and when watching movies run svs with higher volumethan Rel.
@@bhar420 if they are both on the same wall they should typically have the same phase settings but testing this way is wildly in accurate. You want to test each subwoofer in the same location with the same phase and then adjust frequency and volume to your liking. For example on the left side of my room a subwoofer will articulate better and have a strong edge to it while on the right side of my room it will dig deeper and lower but if i move it 12" more to the right it looses a lot of it's low end output. Placement is key and since you're evaluating 2 subwoofers you want to put them both in the same spot. Maybe do 1 for a few days then change them out. Also if both subwoofers are new they both need to break in. My SB3000 broke in over a period of 3 weeks while i bought my REL second hand i can't comment but REL themselves recommends break it.
Bro why dont you consider Rel Predator
1508. Its 15 inch 800 watts its a beast.
@@rayking507 me or Bhar? For me that's too big for my room lol, my room is only 12x10x9 :)
Is there much difference between the Rel ht1205 to the 1003? Thanks bro my room has 25 meters
Yes, the 1205 is larger, it will have all the benefits associated with a larger driver and more power. If you can afford the $700 get the 1205. If not the 1003 is the next best option.
I currently have an Svs sub 12 nsd looking into upgrading it what I really want is something that integrates perfectly with music and with films only draws attention when it’s necessary
I am leaning to the Rel 1205 but hope it still does a good job with movies or maybe I should save towards the Rel 1508?
My room is not that big so wondering if that might not be overkill ?
@@Kruptosman I am in the exact same situation, wanting to upgrade my 12NSD. Did you make the jump yet?
@@ABHORRANCE831 I didn’t jump I flew ! I have gone far above that to a Rel Carbon Special just simply amazing!!!!
nice vid. much appreciated.
Glad you liked it seoul!
I'm thinking between the pb 2000 pro or the sb 3000 pro there both the same price I'm 90% home theater %10 music
Hey Danny, for sure go for the PB2000 Pro. The SB3000 will play a little tighter but its real benifit is its nice and small but if you don't mind the larger size of the PB you will be rewarded with more output overall, a much thicker bottom end, and stronger rumble effects.
I have a Dimension SUB-D 12. I can’t find any information about these. A friend gave it to me with two bookshelf speakers. I’m just trying to figure out how to hook up the subwoofer. I have the bookshelves working without the subwoofer and they sound amazing. But I definitely wanna hook up the subwoofer to get the full affect! The speakers are definitely high quality
sorry my man it's not really possibly to walk you through setup in the youtube comments section, you wanna hop on a forum for something like that, try AVSForums.
I like this guy” 1:09 👈🏽 says it like it is 😂😂😂
Bless Up!!
Very neophyte here. I just discovered and love your reviews; very clear, very non-gushy bs, very convincing imo. Plus, you're certainly no snob in that you allow and acctually respond clearly to good questions here, with no attitude. I greatly respect that.
One question regarding "music sound quality/capability" especially, and since you have compared SVS SB-2000 Pro (my #1 candidate right now) to the SB-3000:
Room ~2175 cu ft (13' x 18'); music 80%, TV/Netflix/DVD 20%; volume low to never-above-courteous; mainly classical and blues: speakers are inherited mint B&W 705 (v1):
what is your experience/feeling/advice regarding SVS SB-2000 Pro vs Rythmik L12 vs REL HT1205 for the described situation? Or BW ASW608/610? 2x (but 2x would have to be below $1K total, so I don't know).
Thank you and best of luck, really great passion and work.
Hi friend, if you were 20% music and 80% TV/DVD i would say SVS for sure! But since you are mostly music like I am then L12 or HT-1205 is better in my opinion. What main speakers will you be using?
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks much for for the fast reply! The speakers are the BW 705 v1 mentioned above (but I think added by edit after your reply).
www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/204bw/index.html
We inherited them recently, bought a new Int Amp and CD player after 25+ years, and so now are wanting to add a sub. Yes, 70% music 30% HT would be the maximum. We have music on all day, esp w/WFH a lot these days.
Also I was just looking at 1 v 2 sub discussion, but our max sub budget is really around $800, and so 2 x BW ASW608 or 2 x SVS SB1000 would have to REALLY be very justified to go to $1K. If 2 is even in fact so much preferable to 1.
@@venessian8579 if my maximum budget was $800 with those speakers i would pair them with the Rythmik L12 for sure. At $560 it’s well below budget so if you decide to add a second one it will be much easier. Additionally i think it’ll blend the best as it’s upper bass is a bit more well defined (with slope set to 12db).
@@NemoPropaganda Super. That was where I was leaning after reading/watching your review and others. I have looked at HSU but no comparative reviews; the REL HT1205 somehow doesn't appeal to me (visually, which is important to me); the Rythmik is nothing special aesthetically but at least is unobtrusive.
The SVS SB-2000 Pro is very seductive, esp with the DSP, etc., and I like to design the best, tons of great reviews, but you have listened to all these and I cannot. So, I think I will take your generous advice.
Thank you very much (from SoCal too!).
Have a safe and wonderful holidays, and obviously a far better 2021 for everyone!
@@venessian8579 The SB-2000 Pro is an outstanding subwoofer and the output champion out of all the subwoofers you mentioned so if you're worried about having enough bass the SB-2000 Pro takes care of that problem, they are the most popular subwoofer brand in the world for good reason and it has nearly double the power of the L12. With that said i still think the L12 will be a better fit for your speakers but that's based on my personal taste to some degree (this hobby is very personal) so if the SB-2000 pro is the one you feel an affinity for, go with that one. They have a 45 day in home trial so it's risk free :). If you're close to Orange County, you're welcome to come have a listen to any of the gear i have on hand, just shoot me an email, it's listed in my about section.
I thought that you were supposed to have sealed subs for music, is this not so for the SVS subs?
Sorry I'm not sure what you're referring to, i don't think i really talked about ported subs a whole lot here and all the subs in this video are sealed subwoofers.
What a coincidence UA-cam's algorithm picking this video for me to watch after I just got off the phone and ordered the focal 806 speakers! I suppose it doesn't really matter what speakers I choose for the low end because my REL T5i will make them sound great anyway!
If you want your music to have refinement at the low-end then look no further than the REL ti series!
What's even more of a coincidence is I just uploaded my review of the Focal Chora 806 right now :D and you'll see in that video I said I felt my REL sub matched it better and I absolutely love that speaker so I think you have a damn fine system my friend :D Those 806 are low volume champions!! ua-cam.com/video/z9w1ZbXM_oE/v-deo.html
Fantastic review.
Glad you liked it!
I know the 1205 is tiny but you sitting behind it makes it look gigantic 😂😂
Ahahaha yeah it’s small compared to the real monster subs like the PB16. Love your content btw!
Interesting video. Would have been nice to hear the sub type ( sealed or ported) for each sub during your description. ☮️
Thanks bro. All 4 are sealed and i’ve reviewed all 4 in greater detail separately already so this video was aimed at being short and sweet :).
@@NemoPropaganda Hey. I have noticed that sealed version won't be able to throw bass far away. Ported, scoop, horn loaded etc etc will throw bass really far away.
Sealed if you don't want neighborhood to complaint. And if you have small bungalow. Duh, no one who lives in apartments would never invest " sound systems ".
@@josealfredfernandes I've heard people say that too but I don't know if it's true. I had a ported sub in an apartment :D but i don't listen very loud.
If you have a good setup you can blend any good sub for music and movies but u gotta have a different preset for both movie and music
ehhh... I disagree but everyone's room and personal taste is different. I've had good subwoofers that i could not integrate in a way that i was happy with, hell I've read magazine editors saying they could not properly integrate subs in systems that cost many times more what mine cost...