Jaguar F Type P450 - Why is there no V6 ?!
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2020
- Updating the Jaguar F Type was a tricky task. Always a beautiful car but can the new car be even more beautiful. Maybe the most interesting thing to look at is the new engine line up as there is one variant missing...the V6 !
Thanks to Harwoods Jaguar Chichester for letting me experience their demonstrator the F Type P450, a 5.0L V8 with 444 horsepower. The other question I need to ask is 'will the new F Type sound like an F Type should ?
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Evening guys! You can still get the V6 in North American market, US and Canada.
Yes, a QUIET car, while still stylish aggressive fun and dynamic, is indeed music to the ears. So this one can stay on the shopping option list.
Signed
An introvert.
Love this 👏👏👏
I saw your Jag V6 video 2 years ago. I must have watched it dozens of times. I felt your joy with every snap, crackle and pop. So, I bought one. A muted F Type V8 and no V6... oh dear!
Wow that is great to hear 👍
Wow, not seen that colour before. Lovely.
I know he says it’s BRG, but it’s so dark.
I saw one same spec last week at my local Petrol station ! It took off on the motorway leaving the petrol station and the noise was epic !!! Great looking ride and love that BRG with black out look👍🏻👏🏻💯😎🇨🇦
Lovely colour 👌
Great car, great video. Thanks for the review. Always look forward to your reviews. Thanks.
Fabulous review as always Pete..
Cheers 👍
I like the new updated body but definitely still love my 2018 F Type R AWD and the beautiful sound it makes when pushed through the exhaust pipes.
I have always loved Jags the F type is just a beautiful looking car great review.Take Care
Watching vintage voltage and thought that's Petrol Ped and here I am watching you on UA-cam
Awesome 👏
Brilliant as ever Pete!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Exterior styling-wise they've nailed it with this facelift to my eyes. In fact it's the only good looking current Jaguar on sale. Sounds good as well by 2020 standards.
I rather like this. Two or three years down the road, when the first owner has had all the problems fixed, whilst paying the bulk of the depreciation for the privilege, it would be well worth a look.
Nice review Pete 👍
Latest revamp of the XF is pretty good looking as well.
I've had 3 Ftypes over last 6 years. Only issues were Oxygen sensors on Catalyst convertor SVR arising from not using the car enough. Once 2.0L came out i think this devalued their premium car. I like new front but don't know why they didn't do more on back. I think a new SVR is coming.
Disagree. This doesn't look like an exotic sports car. It looks normal now.
That’s a really great video ped .
I daily a 2003 Jaguar S-Type R twin screw 500 hp. Yes 500.
Today I drove the 2021 Jaguar F-Type dynamic P450 . And you are spot on in your descriptions. Certainly lacking in sound though what sounded it had was gorgeous. Styling super impressive agility super impressive breaking super impressive. Colour beautiful GP blue. One day old. An absolute honour to have driven it.
I noticed a little bit more talk than my STR . But not a lot more. Certainly a bit of transmission and handling and breaking. . but it didn’t make the STR feel slow just less safe .
Now I have driven a 515 hp XKR and an FType S 5.0 I think both of these had more torque then the
P450. I think it’s amazing that I can even still compare the power of my 2003 Jaguar super sedan to this 2021 super GT. I will say this though that P450 Is the nicest car I have ever driven. Absolutely stunning.
Nice review, I like quiet exhaust at less than 3000rpm for local driving. Loud only for higher rpm.
Another enjoyable Video Review. I like the updated Model as It looks even better particularly the New Look Front End LED Lights
Another quality review, a benchmark to others.
Thanks Martin. Very kind 👍
Excellent and most enjoyable review, sir. Love my '17 V6 RWD but I'm tempted, that is, once they start coming in used......
Certainly worth a test drive 😜👍
Great review Pete
This is the car I was telling about mate ,my mrs is getting one when she changes her car next. Can’t wait 👍👍👍👍👍
Like the car - styling still spot on. Like the review too, Watched it right through - as usual.
Thanks Eric 👍
Great review and just tuned into Goodwood at the right time as a few seconds after turning it on you was driving the Jannarelly
No way 👏👏👏
Great looking F Type! Half the price of Aston Martin Vantage.
a Jag F-Type review with Kate Beckinsale references...exactly what I was looking for. Cheers.
Great review Pete. As a previous owner of a 535ps V8 the new exhaust is fine for me. The old V8 used to wake up with a start "flare" that made me hated in my street when going off to work at 6 am. The new front styling is bang on trend as you say looks very much like a I-Pace theme (no bad thing). Looking forward to your review of the P575 model - you WILL need the AWD in that !
I can imagine that would be a problem 😬😂
Great video as usual
Cheers Joe 👍
I’m not convinced by the front end yet...maybe it’s a bit more mature just like the toned down exhaust! I think the interior still looks great as it has a certain style and quirkiness of it’s own, and the media system has Apple CarPlay etc...so is still looking and functioning as well as most. You should revisit the 2.0L, as it actually sounds quite good in it’s own way and is plenty fast enough for UK roads! You can review mine if you like???👍🏻
Didn't sound too bad and i think they nailed the looks. 👍👍
Looks stunning
Well...I think it sounds like a very good car indeed! I like that it is not angry, hard, sharp...most of which you suffer rather than enjoy..a softer approach is faster as the abilities are far more accessible more of the time. My Mercedes SL is always described as soft and only good as a grand tourer...but it is able to impress far more in a quiet understated way....angry aggressive is a popular choice but reality is usability. I’m sure I would like one...but it is getting old inside...it is looking like a car you buy at 12 months old for £40,000 and that is when it works best. Thank you Peter..another good review!! Stay safe...get a 5.0l convertible when you are 60!!! 😀😀😀😀😀Richard.
Great vid Mr P - I'm afraid it's the sign of the times especially when noise capable speed cameras come a long - I'd love to have a F-Type V6 coupe it sounded great and had enough power on uk roads and that's the trouble with mega BHP cars i.e 2 seconds on the throttle and kiss goodbye to your license , much rather have a car that's fun to drive in everyday reality, oh well it's only a pipe dream for me in any case but nice to see a good honest viewpoint so well done from me :-)
Cheers Matt 👍
Great review.
Peter, I think that it’s about time you put an F-Type on the Ped fleet. The Tesla won’t be along for ages so there is a free space in the barn.
If not an actual purchase can’t you wangle a long term car from Jaguar.
I love the colour and spec of this particular car.
I always also lusted after an F-Type. Drove one loved it. Then drove a Porsche 911, so for the same money you get a 991.1 targa, more practical, better fuel consumption average 31 mpg (beans - 24mpg, long run 37mpg) depreciation almost zero now. The build quality is in a different league and it sounds might fine with a normally aspirated engine. Great video again Pete!
You have a good point there 🤔
One car you need to try if you loved the V6 is the 400 Sport. It does everything the V6S does but better. I have also driven most F’s and it’s the best all round F out there for me.
I like the old F Type (although I’ve not driven one yet) it’s one carI would consider when I change mine. For me, I loved the drama of the sound of the car, so perhaps the outgoing model might be a good buy.
Yep. I reckon 👍
Looking at replacing my BMW M4 convertible after previously owning an SLK55. I miss the V8 sound track from the SLK and the BMW is all about pops and bangs but quite jerky with the twin turbo! Was considering the V6 400 Jag but really like the modern look of the new model. Always went for the hardtop convertibles but may have to revert back to a soft top!! Only other option would have been an SL Mercedes. I suspect i will go for the P450 convertible, more modern take, V8 soundtrack and reasonable MPG. Thanks, this has been a very useful Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good content, in the past had trouble with Turbos locking up, partly by where manufactures mount them next to engine (as opposed to risers up high ...not to show off to keep them cooler next to Heat extractor hoods, or Boot), which defeats the purpose of the intercooler. Also, wouldn't buy a Jaguar without the reliable V8 5.0, and the V6 has actually been the 5.0 V8 with 6 cylinder heads and the last too camed pistons are stationary hidden under the windscreen, Thanks for sharing F-Type SVR is also my favorite and most like would be the one would buy. Was close to buying one and found out they 're only automatic.. miss the 6 speed manual transmission. The only reason have the PDK not because a Valet at the Hotel Burned for 10 minutes my Tires, Clutch, and Engine trying to get my Lotus Elise up the Parking Lot Ramp... the engine alone was $16,000, and so didn't repair it, and wound buying the 2016 Mustang.
I kinda liked the headlights on previous better. Car is still beautiful
Looks like a mustang from the front now 😝
Good evening PP, not seen one in person yet, but styling looks good. I do think it looks good with the "de-chromed" badges and trim.
Its always hard to capture how good or bad the exhaust sound is on film, but I must say that i don't think it sounds to bad, especially with all of the regulations that they have to abide by now. Really doesn't sound to bad on the fly by's.
Looking forward to seeing your Tesla model Y 👍😉
Nice video Pete, Personally if I specce'd one I would have the green on tan look. Gutted the V6 isn't on sale, it was screamer! Victim of its success, the Europea regulations on noise polution killing it off as a compelling and my preferred version offering.
I think the back looks great.
The new design is great especially the front end but because of the OPF filter then it doesn't sound like a V8 should do 😭. Can't beat British Racing Green as a colour though 👌
Yep 👍
Oh yes. You really can't beat a Jag. When I was a kid my sister's boyfriend had BRG Mk2 with wire wheels. He did a total rebuild and it was beautiful. He sold it to an American friend and it still lives in the US today. You're a lucky man :) If we have yet another lockdown are you going to do more Carvid 19 vids? They kept many of us going!
Let’s hope I don’t need to 😬
This is definitely an interesting choice
The f type is awesome! ❤️
Loved the F-Type on very First Arrival it’s such beautiful silhouette 💙 sound well (it can be tweaked 😂) ok
Great review Peter 😎
Cheers mate 👍
The only platform for the 5.0 litre supercharged V8 is the AWD. And I like the smoother look of the front end. Agree, rear of the year can only go backwards if they mess with that.
You can spec RWD 👍
Even though the new shape have been around for a year now they still have stock of the v6 cars just need to shop about.
Great video great car and I agree why isn't there a V6 engine in the range the P300 was the beat selling Ftype but u cant beat the sound of the V6 ,V8 carry on with the great videos
Cheers Chris 👍
I have test drove this model too and its still a top notch car but the sound is not the same. Its interesting to note that my Jag dealer are still trying to make me part with my v6 s convertable and offering me very good money but I feel its only going to gain value as I still think its the best all round ftype of them all and people who know their jags know it
Peter, I think you would change your opinion on the F type if you drove it from your home to Gissy. Having a loan 4 pot for two days I rang up and asked them to collect it again after one day.
I had hoped it would have come close to a much loved nearly final edition XK which I had for around two and a half years. A replacement for the XK it certainly is not being noisy, jarring suspension and hard seats proved a no go for me. To put it into perspective I drove my XK from GISSY to Holyhead, ferry crossing to ROI and then north to my home in Norn Iron. Arriving home I felt I could have made the return journey the next day as the XK was a joy to own. I know the F type is targeting a different age group but if any of your younger subs is thinking of getting one I would suggest getting a pair of ear defenders as well.
Bought a new RWD P450 to replace my V6S. The love affair just gets better. especially when she's the only one in NZ!
Stunning car.
I have a V6S manual just had a stage 2 banging out 440bhp,it's so responsive and fast thanks to Viezu.
Nice 👌
A comprehensive well detailed review Pete, it is utterly unbelievable that Jaguar jettisoned the V6 and kept the four pot and the V8, I will still consider the old V6. I live in London and fuelling a V8 for stop start traffic is a waste of resources!
Beautiful car inside and out, I agree re the 2ltr, cheaper all round and if you want more power you can get a remap. Maybe a car I'll look at in the future.
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Used to be rather pessimistic about the new face of F-Type, but the more I see the pictures the more it grows on me. Not quite as jaw-dropping as the original F-Type, but still a damn good-looking one. I really want the F-Type R Black Pack in Sorrento Yellow or Sunset Gold.
Nice 👍
Nice video
Another brilliant, informative and interesting video. Your channel is growing so well, and it is obvious why. Well done mate. I am really torn in respect of buying the V6 or the V6S. The S would be £4K'ish more. Which one would you go for Pete? Errol
Thanks Mate. I’d go S if I could stretch the budget 👍
Not too dissimilar to the latest Vantage from the front and the rear flared arches. Unlike the Aston the F Type tries to appeal to a broader spread of buyers giving more of us a chance of ownership. Losing the V6 is a shame, most of its competitors will be powdered by 6 cylinder engines. This V8 doesn't sound like a V8 should, its a little bit plastic as though the sound engineers have tried too hard to make it sound better but come up against the brick wall of NVH rules.
Love it .
Nice video, Pete. I rather like the rear end (how cool would it be to have the logo/lettering mirrored so it would look the right way round when the wing popped and you looked in the rear view?). It sounds great, considering the hoops they have to jump through these days (a bit more "pop and crackle" would be nice). Obviously drives/handles great. I agree about the interior, "timeless Jag" apart from the tech - graft a Mercedes infotainment/dash to it? (Can't believe infotainment is a proper word now!).
Love that idea 👍
Got my 2021 P300 F Type late November in Canada ;) Also, you can still get the V6 in the Canadian market, but you're forced to get the AWD package putting the car's price into the base 911 territory.
The F type is a great car and the P450 is certainly a solid package offering more than adequate performance. I really liked the old V6 engine. I felt it had enough power at 380bhp, a great sound track, and the twin centre exhaust looked brutal and less fussy than the four pipe rear of the V8s.
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yes i have a 2017 S
I’ve had the V6 380, 400 AWD Sport and V8 SVR. To me SVR 4WD was by far the best and was not a handful in any way. It didn’t wheel spin and was stable under acceleration and was far better than my present AM DB11. Like the new front end but very disappointed that the back hasn’t been changed more than just the lights. After 2 years with the spoiler I hated it so glad they’ve deleted it. Inside doesn’t appear changed other than infotainment which is disappointing. In my SVR I averaged over 30mpg on some medium driving conditions days on a long trip to Portugal which was very surprising. The biggest downside to me is the design hasn’t changed enough for me to buy another and they could have done so much more to upgrade the interior quality . For anyone buying one go for a low mileage 1 year old SVR and save the massive depreciation on a new one.
Thanks for this 👍
One of the coolest looking and sounding sports car ever made 🙌
Like all jags beautiful looking cars designed to please great quality what more could you want
Overall I think it's a great car. I like the side profile, colour & wheels. The
exhaust sound's best from the outside bumper shots. I wonder if Jaguar could bring back the straight 6 with a supercharger or turbo?. Good review 👍👌.
Very possible 👍
Best looking coupe around for me! Front looks much better than the new bmw m4/3 lol
Definitely a slight improvement in the looks to an already fantastic looking car. British Racing Green? More like a shade of green they are calling it that.
Very nice video.
Thanks 🙏🏻
@@PetrolPed you’re welcome.
It`s a nice, Jag my boss years ago had an F type and when he went home I used to ask him to rev it a bit before he went off, and It definitely rasped and sounded better than that one you just drove nice though it looks, Be honest Pete you will have to get the other one to compare again, I suppose if the sound matters that much then perhaps you don`t buy this model and get a rortier of something else maybe A**** M*****ish!!!!!
Going to get the 2019 3.0L V6.
I've got an Ftype V6s convertible and Ive had it now for 3 years. I still love driving it and I still always take the long way home. I'm in the market for something else now so Ive been looking at Bentley, Aston and even Ferrari, but you have made me think that maybe another FType might be the way to go. Perhaps a test drive is in order.
Sounds like a plan 👍
I'm glad they didn't change the back end too much.
The front looks too much like a Mustang though 🤦♂️
9:20 - 13:10 : the exhaust sound talk. Introverts, we can bypass that.
Not just introverts to be honest. Think it's now a much classier car, and a V8 to boot.
"What do you thi . . "
"SHHH!"
"But I was just asking . . ."
"SHHH. Just listen."
2021 Noise and EU Regs, not really JLR's fault. Sad to see (hear) the mighty roar has been clipped somewhat. BRG looks nice on this body.
Tata struggle today in the current market for quality tech but they have done a great job cleaning this car up, the underlying architecture in jaguar is old, very old, but it's worth a buy just for the looks. Compared to the current aston, it's better looking looking car and better value.
Guess they're saving the big v8 noise for the SVR. Were it not for a lack of luggage space, this junior V8 might be a good GT. I'd still go for the 4l caynan/boxter GTS for their better practicality, drive and resale values.
I think that you will find that JLR has discontinued production of V6's and has a new straight 6 coming into production and I am sure that it will soon feature in the F Type
That would be good 👍
Not sure if I like the new headlights more than the old ones. Completely different car. More aggressive. Need to see it in real life but looking at it on the road will be the closest I'll ever get to it I suppose. Cheers
It’s still very F-Type in person. The design flows together beautifully.
It looks weaker and less sporty now.
I have a XK, which suits the V8 and is a great grand tourer. I’m tempted by this facelift F Type for fast commuting between UK and Luxembourg. As a grand tourer it appears the right spec will help, as does the less tiring soundtrack.
It’s difficult to find a true grand tourer in the style of the XK (which I shall keep) at this price point. I’m not a fan of Porsche’s, BMW, Mercedes or Audi, I’d love to support Lotus again with an Evora but I just don’t see it as a grand tourer for stress free comfortable long distance Euro driving.
It reckon it would be a good choice for that. You should give one a try 👍
Having driven both the E Pace and F Pace over a two month period when my Land Rover broke down this year I understand the interior infotainment issue you have but understand why you love Jaguar. My wife is a big fan and the marque has always been in my mind since I was a child as my neighbour had an E Type. That V8 sounded so good. I need a lottery win more than ever.
Don't like the new lights, but it's still a sexy beast
Nice review as always. Should I go for a second hand v6 or should I get a second hand p450?
Choices choices 🤔
Still a very attractive car with the subtle styling tweaks. Aside of losing the V6, Jaguar are clearly adopting an “if it ain’t broken...” philosophy. Not that they are direct competitors per se, but I’d love to see you review the Nissan GT-R. All the best Pete.
I drove a Stage 4 modified GT-R a couple of years ago...
ua-cam.com/video/IpR4Nb0c3Dw/v-deo.html
@@PetrolPed I’ll be sure to check it out Pete, missed that one. Thanks for the link. 👍🏻
If have a 2015 V6 S and I love the look much more than this car. Head-on the redesign looks like an Audi or even a Mustang, the only thing I like is that they removed the crossbar on the grill.
Agreed they oversimplified it a bit much.
For me it is just the headlights. They were so unique before. Everything else is for the better imho
YES YES!!! Get one!!! 🤩
😂😂😂
Very nice. Still sorry I had to sell my V6. As you say its a big jump up from the entry level to this V8. Fuel economy on the V6 I had wasn't that bad, but then again you dont buy an F Type and worry too much how much the petrol is costing.
Very true 👍
As J.C. once said , "if you want space buy a field "
Living in the US, where EVERY Mustang, Camaro, Charger, pickup truck, etc. seems to have a V8 and a '"Look at me! I have a small wenis!" aftermarket exhaust system means this Jaguar is much appreciated.
The Soundtrack could indeed be a bit better, got no goosebumps...but the car looks very pretty and ik like the interior as well...if I had the money, I would buy it and change the sound directly, than its perfect 😉
Yep 👍
I do quite like the F, but this is not a great job in my eyes!
They had to extend the front to meet safety regs, so that’s why the front overhang is now so long.
Otherwise, the changes are minimal, as the car is basically so old and it’s not worth spending much money on, given the low volume of sales 🙁
Sh h
So much better.looking that the previous model
Test drove a 20 plate F type P450 V8 supercharged that you drove on the video
The car itself was brilliant and lived the looks However the dealer who I went to who I won’t name was so absolutely useless that they put me off
Also the depreciation is horrendous looking at 3 years old. Ended up buying a 3 year old Porsche 991.2 GTS PDK.
Also agree that it looks much better with the fixed spoiler
Great choice mate. Love a 911 👌
Pictures and video don't quite do justice to the new look. It looks better in person. That said, I still do prefer the older styling over the new. Just wish I could have that bumperless front grille without spending many a pretty penny on a P7 grille...
I agree 👍
Just to add- I went and bought a P450 AWD. Highly recommended. It would be unfair to say that it’s better or worse than the previous model. I absolutely love the V6 S and wouldn’t have minded if they hadn’t changed anything. Things do move on and after a week of new ownership I am very happy. Maybe I should have both on the drive?
Hi Peter, I'm a massive fan with regards to the new Jaguar F Type the front end looks much better and sharper and I think the P450 would be the best choice. well that's my sole opinion. Best Wishes Alan B x
Cheers Alan 👍
Looks a bit too much like TT headlights to me. Lost the F-Type looks. I’m not sure about this yet. Maybe it will grow on me.
My favourite was the V6, looks nice, but the headlights look a bit like a Mustang to me. Still like it.
Although I never liked the exhaust on the V6 😬
Great review...it’s sad that the emission requirements are muffling most manufacturers exhaust sounds...though one has to wonder how people like Mercedes AMG and rumor has it the upcoming BMW M3/M4 seem to make it so...Maybe there is still some hope...I do agree with you that dropping the V6 in the F type seems a weird move given it was a good bridge gap...but am willing to bet...it wasn’t up to the engineers and enthusiasts like you and I but those number crunching boffins we call financial managers...having said that...given Jaguars current financial crisis...am inclined to think...it does boil down to what is making money and not just entirely what is ruled by the heart?
Thanks for this Victor 👍
You know that the new AMG GT Black Series use loudspeakers to amplify the whisper that the new V8 is giving! It's so quiet that if it passes you in 150-200 km/h you hear more the wind and the tire noise than the engine sound! BMW is also rumours that they use a sound generator in their new cars (and also Ferrari is using it on their new V8's)!
And the Jaguar V8 exhaust note is just purring pussy cat compared to the Jaguar roar it used to be! That PPF is just killing the sound, and it's getting even more quieter in the near future! In 2025 peopel will look back on the 2020 already quiet engines and say think how gret the cars sounded back in 2020...
The main issue with F type is the price SVR has a RRP of about £120k and that 450 variant £85k which is just mental. There is a 450 car “20” plate car with 100 miles on it for £59995 on autotrader that’s a £25k drop within a couple months of it being registered new WOW !!
That’s why I don’t buy new 😬