Are American Catholics Too PATRIOTIC? w/ Jacob Imam
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In this clip, Matt asks the question, "Are American Catholics too patriotic?" What do you think?
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Patriotism is love of the fatherland. This is where God placed us, and we are obliged to work for the common good within the fatherland in which He places us. We may disagree about how our fatherland can best achieve the common good, but Catholicism can function within any of the various governmental constructs, and we are called to love our fatherland by exercising our Catholic identity within the bounds of that fatherland.
I'm glad you pointed out the anthem. I've brought up the parallels between the pledge of allegiance to the flag, and literally praying to an inanimate object. About got tarred and feathered. And not even by my highly patriotic family or my decorated Combat veteran brother and uncle. They found the question reasonable. But people will tell you things like "my grandpa died for that flag." But they don't even seem to understand that the flag is just symbolism for what our soldiers die for. The flag itself is no different than a bed sheet except for its symbolism. The interesting thing is Many of the people that got so angry were protestants, who would quickly call me an idol worshipper. But I'm well aware that crucifixes, statues, Holy art, etc. is only symbolism. They're the ones that seem as if they aren't...
That's ironic you have no problem bowing to statues that you claim are only the representation of Jesus, Mary etc.
We need a catholic country.
Yeah because that turned out really well in the past.
@@Mindmartyr to keep people like you out.
@UCAfoNWnlNvsDAzg3YpJkXsw I'm not disagreeing with you, but can you name even one nation where the governing body hasn't committed a vast myriad of atrocities?
@@andrewdoraiswamy2199 Wow very loving of you, very Christlike... saying people you disagree with should be exiled... what ever happened to love thy enemy, turn the other cheek? I'm a Christian, but I also know about the atrocities the Catholic church committed when they were a governing body. When the Catholics are put in charge of government, they abandon the gospel & become authoritarian power hunger megalomaniacs. They completely abandon Christs teachings & act like pagans when they get enough power.
@@rogerhoke9725 No I cannot. But if these people claimed to be Catholics, claimed to be representatives of Christ... why did they do what they did? They tortured & killed thousands of innocent people simply because they did not accept Christ. That is not a Christian teaching AT ALL.
Wow! Lots to unpack here. I'm going to start with the problem Matt seems to have with the American's Creed and the Apostle's Creed...as an American Catholic, I don't see the conflict of interest. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars' and unto God that which is God's. I may be ignorant of some subtlety, but right now, I don't get it. Matt, has every right - whatever passes as rights in Australia these days - to find our Pledge of Allegiance weird, but is there nothing in Australia that encourages or promotes a love and appreciation for your country, the opportunities given to you by the founders of your country, or examples of fortitude, nobility of character, a desire to forge your own way according to your own understanding without the arbitrary exercise of regulatory power by a nearly absent central government?
Then Mr. Imam mentions the national anthem as "propaganda" and I believe he's ignorant of what propaganda IS. America's national anthem expresses joy and hope at the resilience of patriots standing against British aggression during the War of 1812. That's is certainly NOT propaganda. Perhaps Mr. Imam could take some time to learn the history and context in which the anthem was written and ponder more closely if it truly is propaganda. Further, I was surprised when the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan AFTER THEY REPEATELY REFUSED TO SURRENDER was characterized as a moral catastrophe. If Matt Fradd and this Plato individual were maybe a little more studied in their history they might not come to the same conclusion. Indeed, when one considers the actions of the Japanese on December 7 1941, the utter defeat of Commonwealth forces at Singapore by the Japanese, and the determination that if America was to invade the Japanese home islands in 1945, the casualties would be over 500,000; this as opposed to the roughly 200,000 casualties suffered by the aggressor population and the IJA which had committed thousands of atrocities on its POW and captured populations - look up Lieutenants Toshiaki Mukai and Tsuyoshi Noda - I am surprised they reached the conclusions they did. I am not convinced American Catholics are too patriotic, rather it seems to me some Australians and perhaps other nationalities aren't patriotic enough.
Roman Catholics only allegiance is the Vatican. Something my countries (US) founding fathers knew all too well. Catholicism had absolutely nothing to do with the war of independence, they were all told by their priests to stay neutral.
Nobody talks about the masonic foundations of America, God does not come first to the founding fathers.
so anti catholic sentiment among the founders was legit? interesting
@@eg4848 They were mostly Freemasons which should tell you all you need to know. Not that the English Crown was a force of good, it was just a civil war between two evils.
9 of the signers of the Declaration were Freemasons. 1 signer was Catholic. Given the demographics of the 13 colonies, thats not bad.
@@CMVBrielman One drop of pure water amongst a sea of poison does not purify the sea, rather the drop becomes impure
@@refrainfromevil1377 Sounds like an awful lot of hubris to assume Carroll was significantly purer than the rest. In fact, given that he owned more slaves than likely anyone else in the country, I’d prefer the company of a John Adams to Carroll, even if the latter was a fellow Catholic.
Many people fail to understand the Pledge. It is to be expected from foreign nationals, but disappointing to see in American citizens. The pledge is not one of mindless, dogmatic obedience to the state. The more dogmatic you are about anything, the less you apply your faculties of reason. We are pledging ourselves to make the nation the best version of itself, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all.
Life is the journey, Paradise is the destination, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life..
Catholics think the seven sacraments are the way and Mary is the life.
No, we're not too patriotic. I'm a 32+ year Army Veteran, and I gave to Caesar what was Caesar's, but also gave to God what is God's.
Render unto Caesar means to follow material law where it doesn't contradict with God's law. It doesn't mean actively choose to go and fight immoral, pointless wars
@@sbbu3742 the wars I served in were to stop both terrorists and evil dictators. I have no conflict of conscience.
@@carld3218 "stop terrorists" lol, clueless
@@sbbu3742 have you ever had the guts to defend the freedom you enjoy? Have you been given a security clearance with access to intelligence reports on ongoing threats against American citizens? No? Then shut the hell up. You don't have a leg to stand on.
@@carld3218 the only thing America has given me is slavery to sin and vice and debt, there’s no freedom here. It’s a rebuilt pagan Roman Empire. It’s pleasure island in the story of Pinocchio. An island that offered “freedom” and “liberty” but turned you into a beast of burden, a slave to a decadent lifestyle.
Everything is great in America, but people routinely go to Mexico for medications. Everything is great in America, but people routinely go on vacation to other countries for medical procedures aka medical tourism.
I hate sounding like a lefty, but there are valid reasons they feel the way they do about many things. They miss the mark on fixing the problem but some of their reasons are still valid.
I’m so glad I’m not alone in thinking it’s inappropriate to have an American flag in the sanctuary of a parish!
That place is for worship and only worship. An American flag will not aid in worship, and it certainly should not be worshiped.
It’s a blessing we weren’t started by a denomination
@@frederick3523 that never goes well….Freedom.
@@rickdockery9620 freedom is an idol, it’s the battleground on which Satan and God fight over souls, Jesus didn’t give us freedom, He gave us slavery and bondage to the truth.
@@michaelibach9063 ok then
@@michaelibach9063 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
2 Corinthians 3:17
Can you just pretend you're a Christian for a minute?
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."
Romans 8:15
Roman adoption was about producing heirs to families that had none. For a non-Roman to be adopted, he had to be bought as a slave, (1 Corinthians 6:20, Isaiah 45:14-15) freed to become a citizen, (John 8:32, Romans 8:1-4, Galatians 5:1, 5:13-14, 1 Peter 2:16, etc) and then adopted as a son. (Galatians 3:26)
If you're a Christian, your Dad loves you.
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 Truth & Life App
Romans 6:18-20
18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.
19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once yielded your members to impurity and to greater and greater iniquity, so now yield your members to righteousness for sanctification.
20 When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
This conversation about Matt not liking the Pledge literally came up today in our staff meeting lol
Catholics only pledge to the Vatican. Every real Christian knows this.
I love listening to intelligent men like Jacob Imam and Dr. Alex Plato. It would be cool to have conversations with these type of men. I would love to find men like them to marry.
Lol
Matt the mistake you’re making is patriotism for patriotism sake vs being patriotic for America, what does the United States represent what was it founded it on what was the covenant of the government to the people? Freedom liberty justice righteousness and virtue a nation under God indivisible that’s where patriotism comes from it is a nation founded to reflect the virtues of a Christian society. To call it propaganda is extremely poor taste and downright incorrect. Why don’t you interview some Catholic soldiers who fought for this nation and find out what patriotism means to them in light of the Catholic faith see if it’s just propaganda.
He should get out of America in my eyes. Not before he's tarred and feathered though.
As a first generation American I’ve always been wary of the whole almost flag and nation worship of the pledge starting every school day and the anthem at every event. As I’ve gotten deeper into my faith over the years I’ve been more troubled by the shift I’ve been seeing from patriotism to nationalism in this country. It seems that many Christians and Catholics can tend to put the nation or their political party ahead of the faith. It always bothers me at Mass when on or near a national holiday or celebration they have a patriotic song in stead of a hymn...it’s usually the recessional... and the congregation sing it louder and prouder than they sing any hymn...and they will stay for the whole thing rather than leaving as soon as the priest exits...
Once upon a time we prayed before the pledge understanding we were One Nation Under God. They got rid of prayer than the pledge but we're becoming more nationalistic? Nah fam. We are no longer patriots. Nationalism is being burned so we are no longer a nation Under the Father. We are now a nation of individuals who have no banner they follow. No God and no country. America has fallen.
@@bobbyrayvictory6905 I’ve never considered myself to be particularly patriotic. I’ve criticized things about this country. But I’ve always recognized and appreciated that this country is basically good and founded on Good and True ideas. I’ve also always believed that it would end up going the way of every other large powerful nation. We, as human beings simply cannot create the perfect society. We cannot create fully and completely in this world a perfect system mainly because this world is not our final destiny...we are not made for this world. This world was made for us...but only as a place to pass through. It is only through maintaining a focus on God and His Will that we have any chance of developing a good and just society. This country has given up on God and we are seeing the increasing unraveling that is resulting. I fear for the short term future. I believe that if what we are experiencing is not the actual eschaton then we humans will be able to adapt (although with great loss and suffering) and continue to press on. Hopefully we will learn and hold on to lessons and be more resolute in building a society rooted in “Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” God never promised it would be easy. Jesus explicitly tells us it will be hard. But we must stay faithful and press on through the desert wilderness of trials and tribulations and keep our eyes in the Promise Land of Heaven.
Do you pledge allegiance to the separate country known as the Vatican? This is why every Roman Catholic is a potential traitor. Our founding fathers knew this well. Why do you think no Catholics were involved with the declaration of independence?
@@jeremyjames1659 I do not pledge allegiance to the country of the Vatican as a political entity. I recognize the authority of the Catholic Church on matters of faith and morals. I recognize this authority as coming from God. I put the authority of God above that of any governing or political body. This, in my understanding, should be the case for any Christian (I cannot speak for members of other religions). I follow Jesus’ instruction to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s (and Paul’s instruction to be obedient to legitimate earthly authority) ...I try to be a law abiding and productive member of this country. When you found a nation on the fundamental freedoms of speech, thought, and religion, this is a risk you run-that people will put their religious allegiance above national allegiance-and the founding fathers seemed willing to take that risk in the name of liberty and freedom.
Hummm.......I'm not 100% in agreement and thats ok. I'm proud of being an American znd the freedoms that the constitution provide us.
When you come from countries were that is not the norm you bet your life we are going to be patriotic for this republic!! I'll wave the flag, sing the anthem snd pledge alliance !! Because this country provided so much that too many take for granted and as a right and privilege.
I agree for the most part. I think the tricky part is pledging allegiance to the nation. The nation does good and evil. To pledge allegiance to an imperfect entity like a nation is not really a good thing for Christians to do. Support what’s good and call out what’s bad.
Mexico, off the top.of my head has deep roots in the church and the state religion is Catholicism. Mexico is also nationalistic.
I think you can be a nationalist and a Catholic it's just a very fine line.
Nationalism as a worship of the nation or a worship of your ethnic/racial group is absolutely a sin but pride in your nation and looking out for the best interests of its inhabitants is just regular duty. Just never let the nation come before God.
Mexico also experienced the Cristero Wars after Mexico's leaders used national progress as an excuse to crush the Church, since they claimed the Church prevented true progress. I think nationalism could be used to subvert the Church. It could almost become a religion as we've seen with the woke culture.
@@robertoramos_mi the Cristero Wars happened after the Revolution of 1910-1920. Most revolutionary Mexicans at the time felt the church had European interests and not Mexican interest in mind. Seeing how they gained independence from Spain and the Cathoilc church considered the Spanish monarchy as an extension of itself, being the only bastion of Catholicism on the continent.
But Catholcism is deep rooted in Mexican customs and culture. This is a sense of pride for all Mexicans as their faith is intertwined with their identity, now.
One could even look at Mexico as the Bastion of Catholicism in the Americas.
@@jasoncantu6639 Nah that will be DR. The first catholic church in the America's was built in the Dominican Republic and the country name and identity is more catholic than Mexico. Mexico has too many weird cults.
@@jasoncantu6639 I don't disagree with much of what you said, but I will say that there are many Mexicans or Americans of Mexican descent that are only "culturally" Catholic. So for example, they wear a Rosary but don't even know how to pray a Rosary. They venerate the Virgin Mary, but don't even attend Mass regulary, nor receive the Sacrments regulary, etc. It's almost a contradiction. That's not to say that they aren't suitable for re-adopting their faith once they commit, but being culturally Catholic without knowing why or desiring to actually live a Catholic life, is still an issue that needs to be recognized. Because that pride could be placed I'm something that falls short of what we're actually called to live by.
Catholic Monarchy is the best.
Mhmm, an institution you can really trust with unchecked power
@@progidy7 The power is checked by the Bible and the people.
@@timothyp.1392 Weird how they've had so many controversies, despite such a rigorous check
@@progidy7 The monarchial systems prospered for many generations in the middle ages.
@@timothyp.1392 By "prospered", do you mean stifled innovation that didn't align with their interpretation of scripture and burn scripture in native languages so that people couldn't discern for themselves if things were being run correctly? While the monarchs kept the peasants ignorant and under economic thumb?
Thank you for your videos. I really enjoy them and learn much from them.
One thing I like about Matt Fradd is that he is cynical for all of us at times lol, its real. Just remember that too much spice in the stew spoils the pot.
The Constitution was designed from Christian perspective. Why wouldn't we be patriotic?
Hey, Matt, just wanted to make a recommendation. After watching several videos of the You Are Here channel, I think it would be massively helpful to the faith if you were a guest. Thanks for all you do and throw me some prayers, needing them
Some may be ignorant and some may even deny the basis upon which this nation was founded through divine providence.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Given that men are imperfect and sinful by nature does not condemn the ideals of the founding principles.
Mathew 7 1-5 and pray for discernment before wholeheartedly condemning a nation that is attempting, albeit imperfectly, to stand for its ideals. Why has our church shuttered so many of its schools when they are needed most?
Except the creator doesn’t give any inalienable rights, so the fact a few people hold these to be true is irrelevant.
@@michaelibach9063 ... then where do your human rights come from?
@@tmcche7881 where would Adam and Eve best pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, in the garden of Eden or outside of the garden of Eden on the cursed earth?
God took away our life, liberty and our pursuit of happiness when mankind was cast out into the cursed world. The only way to regain any life, liberty or pursuit of happiness is through Jesus Christ, not some government created by men. Men that couldn’t even bother invoking the name of Jesus Christ in any document ever produced in the entire history of the United States.
@@michaelibach9063 I didn't know that Adam and eve were US citizens. Now were they?
ps, in fact, there were no governments in the beginning to be concerned about _self-evident_ God given rights.
@@tmcche7881 completely ignores half of my post👍. Typical
God didn’t create your government and He didn’t give that government any right to say He had any part of it or that He give any rights.
Our flag and National Anthem is not propaganda. Wow....what a statement. I think someone needs to look into the history of when the Star-spangled Banner was written. America's National Anthem is sacred to me.
America is a country built on allowing people to spread lies.
That's the problem with the US. You treat like holy something that is not.
Your country resembles more a big bank or corporation than anything remotely sacred. You don't have to hate your country. But sacred..... oh boy.
@@timothyp.1392 May I ask what country you're from?
@@Krafanio I didn't claim the country was sacred, I wrote the National Anthem was sacred to me.
@@mdainko The United States.
I always like the flag in the sanctuary as it reminds of what a gift this nation is and its such a gift to be born here/ live here Especially in trying times.
“The fruit that the devil presents to the modern world to deceive it is liberty.” -Archbishop Marcel Leybvre
That's pretty convenient for the Roman church to preach against freedom lol. All Catholics should be given free one way tickets to the Vatican.
88% of the US Congress identifies as Christian. I wish someone as thoughtful and nuanced as Matt would kind of chew on that and reflect inward. Is the problem that America is anti Christian or is there a problem with the culture of Christian's in America?
@@Anyone690 I think you are taking my sincere curiosity and suggestion out of context. I do reflect inwardly regularly on how I personally am responsible for the state of America the country I live in. I think we'd all be better served to see what we personally contribute to this terrible state of our country. If it's all someone else's fault we are all conviently off the hook.
Short answer: No.
Long Answer: People trying to saying why patriotism is dangerous are missing the point of, well, patriotism. As another poster said it's the love of ones homeland and gratefulness it doesn't totally suck. In fact, there are two paths to patriotism - the first being anti-patriotic because you're a naval-gazing fool while realizing it's utterly natural to appreciate and love the country for its values even it fails at achieving them, and the second is a gift, like faith (not blind faith), in that you have always loved your country and when you see the American flag you do feel proud that you're a citizen simply for the fact that it's your country.
The Left already hates America while many Americans, especially Gen Z, are taught to hate it as well, alongside many non-Americans thinking America is a piece of poop. So why should Catholics abandon the flag? You probably shouldn't'. You're just committing the same action The Left and non-Americans are doing as you complain why it sucks.
This is hard for me. I see homeless around all the time. Sometimes I feel prompted to help but I have my little kids with me and frankly I worry about the mental health state the said person may be in and for my and kids physical safety. Is this an unwarranted fear?
As a Knights of Columbus. Donate to the Knights, We help the homeless, and provide for the poor .
@@ronaldbobeck1026 thank you 🙏
After they put 80% in their pockets lol. Crooks
How, then, if freedom exists solely for virtue, do we justify laws?
I think you need to have Michael Knowles on to talk about that
I ask all to join me in praying daily that Our Father in Heaven would manifest The Holy Spirit, The Great Almighty Paraclete God to and in all these descendants of the Apostles of The Church of His Son Jesus The Christ, that The Holy Spirit would bring all these Bishops to repentance from their finacial corruptions and homosexual predations, and all the apostosies and heresies they have promulgated in their pursuit of modernism, that The Holy Spirit would make ALL of these Bishops good and faithful shepards of The Church of His Son Jesus The Christ.
I’m an American Nationalist and Proud Catholic (just like founding father John Caroll) and millions of other Catholic Americans, there’s nothing wrong with that nor has the Church historically condemned that
I wonder how scandalized Matt would be by an Ordinariate parish I know of in the old Anglo-Catholic heartland of Philadelphia that plays all four stanzas of the Star Spangled Banner on their pipe organ for the Fourth of July
I'm scandalized by my home parish singing God Bless America on it.
Patriotism is kind of tricky. Because it's all about defending the constitution. But if done correctly, it's beautiful. It's kind of like evangelism.
@@frederick3523 that'd be a completely different country. The only distinctly American thing about America is the constitution. Masonic as it may be, it protects religious freedom. If masons have it out for Christians, they screwed the pooch. Not that I think the church needs defending. But what else defines America?
@@frederick3523 yes. If the constitution went away tomorrow, America would cease to exist. Our culture and heritage is a melting pot of people who came here to seek protected freedom, or were already here.
@@frederick3523 America did it first. No American constitution, no basis of comparison for other free nations. It's a living document, it gets amended. But it's the crux and heart of the country. That's why people who are sworn into office or service swear to defend the constitution above all else.
@@frederick3523 the constitution isn't a governing system. It's a living document that protects inherent rights and preserves the identity of the nation. If it goes bye bye. Someone is going to need new founding documents. And they might as well rename the place.
@@frederick3523 it didn't arise from anything. It was a founding document.
The anthem and the pledge of alliegance are not propaganda, and they most certainly are not a "creed" at all. They are, in fact, statements of fedelity.
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I would not have been born, if the atomic bombs had not been dropped on Japan.
One of my grandfathers was in the Navy, aboard a destroyer (or "tin can", as they called them) which would certainly have been involved in the attack on the Home Islands. My other grandfather was an infantryman who had already survived being captured during the Battle of the Bulge.
The chance of both of them surviving the conquest of Japan itself, is minimal. They, and millions more, would have died.
Further, the American government was actively lying about nuclear weapons at the time. Newsreel footage of Gen. Leslie Groves testifying before Congress shows him comparing radiation sickness to hypothermia, as a "relatively pleasant way to die". An America that believed this would probably not have opposed further use of nuclear weapons. Knowing the truth about the suffering of Hiroshima and Nagasaki almost certainly helped us avoid nuclear war for the last 75 years.
Experience is a cruel teacher, but humans will often have no other.
Seems it’s time for another lesson
Yes the Atom bomb was morally incorrect. However, take into context the situation Truman the was put into. Thrust into the highest military position and told that they have a weapon of this magnitude. His primary job as the president was to make decisions in the best interest of Americans especially armed service members. If we land invade Japan the casualty rate would likely be 3-4 x the amount killed in the bombings of both Japanese and Americans. That’s not to say the ends justify means, but I can understand why a person with secular thinking might make this choice.
Yes it was undoubtedly wrong, but people are quick to say he acted in an evil manner when that choice was likely to try and spare more life. Just something to think about. In a lot of ways it’s like a young woman who has an abortion. A wrong act, but we as Catholics don’t judge her.
Funny how the two cities bombed in Japan were the two biggest Protestant cities in Japan. Weird how that happened.
Ugh. OK, we need more history lessons. Dropping the Atomic Bombs in WWII saved countless American and Japanese lives. Japanese leaders had their people convinced US soldiers were barbarians. During some island sieges, American soldiers witnessed women and children, including babies, hurling themselves off of cliffs to avoid "capture" by American troops. Going island to island would have had this scene playing out again and again.
The process of taking the islands one by one would have been brutal and hard fought. 100s of thousands of American and Japanese soldiers would've died in that fighting.
Prior to dropping the bombs, America dropped pamphlets in the areas warning everybody to flee. The USA let them know precisely where the devastating weapons would be used. It is without question, dropping two Atomic Bombs on Japan was the most merciful option America had at its disposal. Keep in mind, Japan could've surrendered after the 1st one, so #2 is 100% of their leadership.
They didn’t have enough time to respond to the pamphlets, and the Japanese government didn’t have time to confirm that the bomb had been dropped on Hirsoshima before the second one was dropped. This wasn’t the modern day. All they knew was that all communication from Hiroshima suddenly stopped and the US said that they used an atomic bomb, but they had no real idea of the damage.
@@feeeshmeister4311 The pamphlets were dropped on August 1st, 5 days before the 1st bomb was dropped. You don't think that was enough time?
Japanese leadership not believing the USA's leadership isn't really America's fault though, is it? While Japan may not have grasped the total devastation from the bombing, they were aware the Atomic Bomb was developed, and at least had a fairly good idea what it could do, didn't they?
My understanding is the Japanese gambled the US only had only 1 of those weapons, they weren't willing to consider surrender until the US showed them that wasn't the case. Also, the original plan had the US targeting more cities, so stopping at 2 was probably showing mercy.
Thanks for your reply!
@@mdainko Okay, you’re right about the pamphlets, it turns out. Yes the civilians were very nationalistic, and supported the horrible actions of the military, but does that really justify having a civilian target for such a destructive device? Here’s something that might be relevant to viewers of this channel: did you know that before the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, it had been, for hundreds of years, the only majority Catholic city in pacific Asia? In fact the bomb was detonated directly over the only cathedral in the country. The cathedral was reduced to gravel, and now Nagasaki is around 5% Catholic, because they were disproportionately killed in the attack. We should mourn the loss of so many innocents any time Christian or not, but I will admit that that fact did change my perspective on the issue somewhat.
@@feeeshmeister4311 I did not know that. Catholics were very much considered 2nd hand citizens in the USA for many years. The KKK hated Catholics as much as it hated Black people in the country. I wonder if any resentment towards Catholics played a part in the decision to target Nagasaki. I'd have to do some research...
@@mdainko the Catholic cathedral in Nagasaki was the target of the a bomb dropped on that city. It was at the center of the destruction. You can go there today, it’s been rebuilt and the statues scorched by the blast have been preserved there.
When St Mary’s Cathedral in Urakami was completed in 1925 it was the largest Christian structure not just in Japan but in the whole Asia-Pacific region.
It was in this Cathedral in this city that the faithful had gathered on 9 August 1945 in preparation for the feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary. At 11AM, the second atomic bomb, “Fat Man,” was detonated over Urakami only 500 meters from the Cathedral.
Nagasaki is also a sight where decades earlier the Japanese government had martyred thousands of Catholics after Protestants had interfered in Catholic relations with Japan.
"When the church they go to is just as likey to be ugly" ? Where ? Nowhere but north american and australia Matt. You sound absolutely silly
Read Tim Gordons Catholic Republic.
Democracy is pagan, God is a monarchist
No I won’t read that American propaganda. Worship God and his church only, no pride worship of any country.
He is right, you cannot have virtue without freedom, but the opposite is true also , you cannot have freedom without virtue
Funny how the Roman Catholic church killed more people over them wanting freedom then any other nation or corporation on earth. 1500 year history of it.
I disagree. I love the US flag in the sanctuary and will stand and salute the anthem every time. This country and our constitution were truly given to us as a blessing from God Himself. The US constitution is absolutely divinely inspired. Yes, God comes before all things, but, I think you completely missed the mark here.
LOOOL. The Constitution was written by Deists. Please.
I agree with zack. Don’t put those over the teachings of the Catholic Church.
@@dwightschrute900 The two can stand side by side. The US constitution is a masterpiece on fundamental freedoms, but only work in country or society that has faith in God. The very essence of Americanism is the recognition of of the sacredness of human personality that we find in out "unalienable" rights. Yes, God first in all things, but to say that God had a hand in the formation of this country does not mean that I place it higher then God, or the Catholic teachings.
If the US constitution is so great than why did it only take 200 years to destroy it?
@@michaelibach9063 People have been misquoting and distorting the Bible and other religious teachings since they were created. The fact that evil exists and wishes to distort or destroy what is good is hardly an arguement that it isn't a good to begin with.
This is excellent subject!
As an Aussie living in the states, there's a lot of misinformation about Australia, and the Covid laws. My family, and friends from Tassie, Victoria, to Queensland have barely been affected by any laws due to Covid. Sure some people are protesting, but that is their right, and it doesn't affect most people. But it's easier to point the finger at Australia, than look in your own backyard. I too have had Americans ask me what's happening in Australia, and I'm like " nothing". Life appears pretty normal back home. Ignore the media.
Americans definitely play it up but covid concentration camps in NT are real, even if most of us are not affected by it. We shouldn't downplay massive abuses from our government just because Americans are obnoxious
Also we're supposed to scan a QR code tracking every single public place we go, it's like 1984 tier surveillance. And it's a certainty it will be abused if it isn't already, as has already been uncovered in other countries doing the same thing.
Didn't Cardinal George say that American Catholics were essentially calvinists?
You should read American covenant it’s eye-opening and shows how deeply Christian this nation is and was
Or it’s propaganda
@@michaelibach9063 Are you Catholic by any chance do you follow church history your church fathers have you looked into this nation’s history and founding fathers? Are you really saying our nation was founded on propaganda that is a highly ignorant statement
@@wattsobx it’s so Christian that Jesus Christs name is never evoked anywhere in any founding document.
You’re living in Babylon, a rebuilt pagan Roman empire, there has never been any Christian nation here, only a bunch of Protestants, useful tools, governed by Freemasons.
Matt, Have Alex Frank in to talk about the Hiroshima or someone who has served in the military.
I happen to be a good friend of Alex Frank's. He in no way defends the bombing of Hiroshima
Got an add for neo-Arian propaganda (Unitarian) at the beginning. Blah.
The answer is no.
We are Pre-denominational 😁
I love our pledge, does NOT sound like a creed. When I was growing up in the sixties and seventies we recited our pledge every single morning and our people were good now look at us it's not recited anymore and we have fallen very low.
Pre-denominational is Catholicism
America is post-denominational
I used to buy that there was a difference between patriotism and nationalism. Now, I don't really think so.
The only difference in common parlance is connotation. Patriotism=Good and Nationalism=Bad. I don't think Jacob Imam is doing anything besides signaling when he draws a distinction.
I think you meant to say "ultra nationalistic jingoism", not "patriotism"
This is from individual observation, US Catholics are protestant culturally . They do not have an independent catholic culture and have adopted the protestant culture .Easter bunnies, the Halloween etc, these are pagan customs
Catholicism is just not confessional and the Rosary -- there is a whole catholic culture to go with it. The celebration of feasts, Christmas, Easter the sacraments - baptism, weddings, the cuisine, dress , songs , music ,language accents ( yeah, US catholic accents) Which makes you love your identity . It is Catholic church in other nations or States, they have developed this unique culture for their laity which they cannot do without(ha).the lack of US catholic identity(tension or discomfort) finds expression in their diversionary involvement in national iniquities or even at Papal level -- abortions, transgender and other issues. Less involvement in these social issues and they will fade away. Moths are attracted to lighted candle.,
But in the wider context of nationalism Of course, we owe our allegiance to the nation that we have citizenship or in these fluid times, your permanent place of residence. Our Lord 'give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar…." when the scribes tried to question Our Lord's loyalty . Because Judea then was Roman territory , so Our Lord was Roman citizen too
What is an example of a catholic accent when 1.4 billion are that religion
@@007leet (ha) well in US you've various accents . I was accustomed to southern accent. in fact, Americans are good at tracing his roots by his/her accent. True 1.4 billion but different cultural and linguistic backgrounds .. Italian catholic differ from French Catholics....and it goes on.
The pledge is not propaganda. If you don't like this country and what we stand for, get out.
You can't serve two masters
@@sbbu3742 And yet Paul talks about obeying those in legitimate authority while being a believer.
@@carld3218 Nothing legitimate about murdering unborn babies
@@sbbu3742 I couldn't agree more; that's why I have a 30 day posting suspension on FB after telling Traitor Joe Biden that I wanted to punch him in the jaw after hearing his support for abortion. If you want to see even more mischief, look for my posts on the NARAL, Center for Reproductive Rights, and satanic temple FB pages. I'm also a member of OUR, which fights to free children from sex trafficking.
It’s Propaganda
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