Is Pope Francis an Antipope?
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2023
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Matt talks about why Sedevacantism has to be false. He then reads through and discusses Thomas Aquinas article on schism and submission to the Pope.
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Thanks 🙏 I am a Catholic from Switzerland 🇨🇭 where we face the downfall of the German and our own Bishops. As a convert I love to have the fullness of truth but I am shocked at the unbelief of our leaders. Let’s pray for a good pope and faithful Bishops 🙏📿🥰
Hey also a catholic from Switzerland 🇨🇭 I feel the same way. Let’s also pray for the current pope. Im sure he doesn’t have it easy.
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@@stlouisix3 does it? Who says theres no pope?
So, is there no line a pope could cross where you could no longer defend him as you have here?
And what line has this pope crossed?
@@ndumferdy2545that's not the question asked
@@ndumferdy2545 agreed, that’s not the question asked. But as an example, he recently invited over 40 transgender individuals (most prostitutes) and told them God loves them as they are. Now, I know God loves sinners like me and them…but you’d have to be quite dense to single out transgenders and invite them to the Vatican and make them feel there is nothing out of bounds about what they’re doing and that God loves them as they are (no call to repentance or to examine their lifestyle) and still hold that embracing the trans lifestyle and prostitution are a distortion of God’s design and open (and proud of it) sin.
Does not committing heresy automatically excommunicate oneself from the Church?
Was not bringing pacamama idols to Rome by the pope, Heresy?
Heresy relates to rejecting doctrine, not committing idolatry.
I think 99.9999% of us need to worry about the log in our own eye. Raising concerns in a respectful manner is fine, but that is not what I’m seeing for the most part online. An overwhelming amount of us run away with stories that are either missing vital context, or completely false. The devil wants us hanging onto every action of the pope rather than working on our relationship with Christ through mental prayer. Open up your bibles and put yourselves in one of the many Gospel stories we’ve been gifted by God. He’s waiting for us to have an encounter there… even more so in an adoration chapel. Don’t let the devil win.
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Exactly, we should seek the brood of vipers in ourselves and ask the Lord to change us first.
I find it crazy that Pints with Aquinas doesn't sell pint glasses!
Thank you Matt for touching on this topic. We all need to be at peace and let the Holy Spirit take care of it.
I like your measured responses. I was blessed when you talked to students in my care-- well done. You challenge, but are still united. Thank you for your humility.
It's really hard to take the pope seriously when he sounds like a talking head from the WEF.
The Pope's main focus should be to keep God "alive" in the hearts and minds of Christians and to reach out to non-Christians. He should be focusing on saving souls. not politics.
All I can say is that the next pope is going to have one heck of a time cleaning up the mess which was left for him.
Hahahaha
Pretty sure it'll be a "captain's pick"
This is the last pope....
It is not Pope Francis creating the dissent , it is the dissenters !
The next pope will be Francis II, because he has stacked the college of cardinals. The only way is for God the Father to do a wipeout, similar to Old Testament.
This segment comes accross as one person who is willing to compromise to stay in with all benefits that come with such a decision to stay sweet with the Catholic Church Beauracracy.
It comes across that way because that's exactly what it is. He is a Byzantine Catholic, but fails (insofar as I am aware) to ever really touch on what that is and what that means. I guarantee you the majority of his viewership is not attending Byzantine Catholic parishes. Byzantine Catholicism is about as close to Orthodox Christianity as you can get within the Catholic world. Why all the imitation? Just become a part of the real thing. Praying for this guy and his viewership, so that they may not be deceived.
Let's pray for our Pope especially during this Advent. This is what the devil wants, confusion, pride, hate. As we fight on who's right or wrong the devil is already winning. Everyday let us say the holy Rosary. Have faith in our prayers. God works in mysterious ways. Thanks Matt.
Pray for Matt more than anyone else. He is hugely deluded and the cause for confusion, pride and hate.
Don't worry. I'll pray for Matt to continue his good work, and to you as well, my friend. God bless
wow. look! a salty protestant.@@gbookclub4946
Once again so very well said. Thank you for speaking out on this subject. We attend the Latin mass, and I am sad to admit that I went down the road of hating the Novus ordo entirely and “knowing better than the church” I did not have peace going down this road and I’m glad to be back in a balanced place and I really appreciate your thoughts on it.
I am a convert, late in life…… but I was a true ‘believer ‘ almost all my life. So happy to be in full communion now! But after following/reading much from the previous 3 three popes, Pope Francis really confuses me. Thank you for having a steady hand and pointing out how to reason through the emotion of my confusion. God has not forgotten any of us. And He has promised He will never forget us or let us go.!!
The important thing is to distinguish The hierarchy of the church, the institution, the Holly doctrine and magisterium, the Body of Christ (true pastors and congregation). An illegitimate or anti Pope or a bad pastor of the church, like some before way back, it doesn't mean this is not The true church found by Jesus, nor that catholic faith is the true faith, and we have to stick with our true doctrine for which we need to know it from heart. We are in the end of times in which a false prophet and antipope are part of it. We still need to pray for him and all the pastors if the church.
For your understanding, the Pope confused most of Catholics because he is talking about very specific topics, which most of time are pastoral topics, and for me it's the job of the Bishops to make clear for us what's he is saying without to take it and make it like the Pope is teaching very progressives ideas which are completly not Catholic or very conservative idea which can also be not Catholic Doctrine. The simple exemple is the letter of the pope to bishops of Germany. Those bishops use in the wrong way instruction of the pope and make them look like he wanted to establish something which isn't even Catholic.
It can be also is speech on the possibility of baptizing trans People and their agilité to be Godparent, on that topic the first time I eared about that, I was very scaried on what the pope said or what People said that he said. When I took time to read what have been said in that letter, it's was very clear for me that he is only remembering us that the Church is open for everyone who want to follow Jesus and walk on His way of perfection. Realy do not be afraid about this pope of cause he doesn't communicate sometimes as he should, but he is a human, God choose him with all his qualities but also with all his defaults because He want us to live in fraternal Charity. As we recognize that sometimes there is miscommunication on his part, as we can also accept the fact that sometimes we did some miscommunication with our familly or our friends. On that topic we have to remeber that there is not infallibility on communication but it exist just on mater of faith and moral and in some particular conditions.
Much of the confusion come from the people that talk about the Holy Father, on both sides of the current issues.
You have a pope that endores Trans mutilation. It is time to become protestant.
@@romain3935 I think there's to some degree a problem of translation and/or emphasis... what many people would characterize as the eternal Jesuit problem. But the Pope should have known after about the fourth time how what he said would be received by the sort of people who are looking for excuses to reinterpret teaching.
There will always be times when the Pope says or does something that confuses, discourages, or even angers you. This is a moment of temptation for you. What's far more important for your soul than anything Pope Francis says or does is whether what you're about to say about him will lead you into wrath or others into scandal. Instead, bring your anguish to prayer first, then be mindful of who you speak to and how you're speaking, so as to avoid scandal and division.
Thanks for the clarity!
99 % of churches in Mexico are novus Ordo. So if Mexicans decided no to go to novus ordo the whole country would stop to being with Rome. HERE WE DONT HAVE THE OPTION.
Yes, in Central America, there is no Latin Mass. 0%. We don't have the option.
Thank you for taking time to make this video instead of jumping to conclusions right away
Cardinal Burke did not ever go against what he said he criticized him in a humble way, and Francis called him the enemy. And what is somebody like me supposed to do? Francis is a human being, who somehow figured out how to get his way to the one spot he’d never should’ve been in. And the fact of the matter is we’ve gotten ourselves to situation where we cannot in a valid way point the finger at our leader and say as the church you are in error. There’s no way that there’s anything valid about calling Raymond Leo Burke, his enemy! That is so beyond my comprehension of what the pope should do. And yet here we are being told we have to humbly submit when he’s wrong? There’s an error here and I really don’t think that ley people who are going to save the church by the way should have to put up with it.
Stephani...., you are absolutely right! Remember that little child in the fable, who innocently said: "But the Emporer isn't wearing any clothes!" ....
Don't put up with the bullshit in our government, in our churches, in our dysfunctional families, or ANYWHERE else that is pulling YOU away from your God-given right to your health and sanity.
You can only keep "bending" so far, in these various areas of your life, before you "break" altogether. ♥
1. Pope Francis didn't call him his enemy. Cardinal Burke never said that and it is just gossip. 2. Cardinal Burke has not been humble, or respectful on several occasions. 2. He bore false witness about Pope Francis's stance on several things AFTER being corrected by Pope Francis charitably so he would know and not give another interview on The World Over.. so, sorry.. that is definitely a violation of canon law. ua-cam.com/video/DrFgUGJnGtc/v-deo.html
Stephani, I would encourage you to check out Michael Lofton. Much of the news regarding Francis is fake news.
@@letincelle5473 THIS! And there’s nothing not being Catholic about this. He’s not doing this from the throne of Peter. He’s being a petty tiny person. And how does this help the church? It doesn’t. A lot of these clerics these attacking, and he is attacking them, are good, decent godly men. Dare I say they are saintly… I’m having a hard time with this and I’m going to have a very hard time hearing anything that explains it in a way that makes it makes sense. Because it doesn’t.
The Pope did not say that. His enemies said he said that. You’re buying into fake news. See my comment below and go check out Reason and Theology’s video on the burke issue.
I want to thank you for this clip,
I have struggled with this idea of “humble submission” to this particular pontiff.
As a convert who chose to come into the church during this pontificate, I admit I came into the church not because of this pontificate but in spite of it.
I have never had a problem acknowledging Francis is the True Pope.
What’s upsetting me is the fact that Francis is the True Pope..
My feelings for him take me to a certain passage of scripture:
“Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.” Colossians 3:21
I admit, I’ve often felt provoked and discouraged.
I don’t understand him.
But yes, he’s definitely the Pope.
My situation and sentiments exactly.
I have a hard time with this pope, I am in the process of converting, I am converting because of Jesus Christ not the pope
This pope says a lot of garbage I cannot in good conscience stand by
The circumstances of Pope Benedict's retirement and death do leave many of the faithful wondering what exactly is the truth of the current papacy.
Pope Francis is the Pope. The problem is with us that we have decided to label everyone and everything by their faults and sins and kill them by those faults and sins instead of doing what the Church is supposed to do which is healing and helping people do those sins no more. Very hard to do when we are pushing each other into the mud.
When the Pope says you shouldn't even proselytize as if you were pushing some weird diet on people.. but you should listen to him as an absolute authority as per Church teaching, yet at the same time abrogate church teaching, then you have a failure in logic and a huge freaking problem. This is an abusive relationship.
Yes, he said that you shouldn't proselytize. But almost in the same breath, he said we should instead evangelize. Proselytism assumes cold demands to convert out of logical superiority, without consideration of the individual. It is Pharisaic and uncharitable. Evangelism seeks to bring the truth to an individual in an understanding and considerate way. It applies the truth of the gospel in a focused and pastoral way, in consideration of the person's circumstances. But not to the detriment of truth. Evangelism is personal and charitable. This is the true Christian way which Pope Francis advocates.
I would do more research into the things you've been told about Pope Francis, look into his own words, and all the context surrounding them, to include the context of his WHOLE papacy. Unfortunately, we are fed only a partial and incomplete picture by both liberal and conservative sources, tailored to make him look bad and cause controversy.
Also, there hasn't been one time I've seen where he has abrogated Church teaching. I've reviewed his actual documents and they are 100% orthodox, and he has consistently defended orthodoxy in his Magisterium. Again, we are being fed a false picture
Context, context, context. We mustn't be like the cherry-picking Protestants
@@patriot524How is the publishing of the Argentine interpretation of Amoris Laetita to the AAS not a change in doctrine? How is the change to the CCC on the death penalty which was enshrined in Fratelli Tutti not a change to doctrine, when it was allegedly derived from the Gospel and then pushed as a new moral teaching on the universal Church? Many of us have gone through his documents as well, and there are some issues that his apologists have a very hard time explaining without becoming dishonest.
@@patriot524at least Protestants don’t make up unbiblical traditions and theological practices that don’t align with scripture🤷🏼♂️
Charity in the confusion and understanding why people may have different views on this stuff is very helpful. When we judge others, we also judge ourselves. Thanks Matt
God Bless you Matt ❤ Agree 100 percent! Thankyou for all the amazing and weirdly wonderful & different guests you have on your show. It is very very cool!
I love that you’re on a texting basis with Michael Knowles!! I’d love for you two to go on each other’s shows! He was a major factor in me coming to learn that much of what I’d heard about Catholicism was not true
I really appreciate you taking the time to make this video cut. It's tragic to watch so many good traditional Catholics falling into Schism as an overreaction to this confusing time.
Is schism from schism is a schism ?
nice try.@@tanz5389
I'm no theologian..... Even if I had doubts, even the Apostles said, Lord, to whom shall we go? I'll stay with the Pope and pray for all!!
The best things to do is to stay with all of the Popes collectively in their ordinary and extraordinary magisterial teaching. That way, if a Pope says something that is flat out wrong, you can submit to the Magisterium of the Church of which each Pope must be subject to himself.
A good question is why do so many people feel this way?
Spot on. Keep up the good work. Absolute trust in the Holy Spirit is my comfort (although not always easy) when things seem to be going off the rails. I was going down a pretty self-righteous road--angry really and fearful, but by the grace of God I have much more hope and joy than I did--and had to truly repent from my treatment of our Holy Father. God Bless you All and hang in there! Let's try to evangelize through our witness of Faith through confusing times!
The Paschal's Wager point was great. I've been thinking the same thing. It's so much better to just go to Mass and submit to Rome than hold worrying about things and not going to Mass and holding false sedevacantist beliefs.
Submit to God, not Rome. There Is a difference. The Pope, especially THIS one, a radical left-wing radical is not just an Anti-Pope but Anti-Christian. I don't see how Simon Peter or any of the apostles would be on board with Jorge Bergoglio and constantly make excuses for him and his behavior and positions.
@@MrX-zz2vkI submit to God who has appointed the Successor of St. Peter as the head of the visible Church. Therefore, my obedience to Rome is submission to Christ.
@@MrX-zz2vk“But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).
@@flabiger The Pope isn't appointed by God. The papacy was established by Christ. The occupant is the person who winds up being the bishop of Rome. The office has been bought off, murdered into, left empty in quite long interregnums for years. So we literally have had periods of sedevacantism for two years. In fact, the reason we have a conclave nowadays is because the lay faithful in 2171locked the bishops in until they made a decision.
@@gerry30 Christ is God.
Thanks Matt, love you brother !
You know the truth, you just don't want to be censored,
Common man.
*I understand that by being superficial on this matter and not going deep on it you think that you will make much more money. But selling your soul is wrong.*
Amen 🙏thank you for clarifying these important points.
Cannot submit to error.
Bingo, he has authority but cannot wield it correctly because it requires truth.
Whether he is or not isn't important. What is important is how you increase your faith and bring God more into your life.
Thanks, Matt! (from a revert)
Sedevacantism is a dead end road with a cliff face at the end
As Venerable Abp Fulton Sheen said, it is up to we, the laity, to check that our pastors & bishops do their jobs. We have eyes to see & ears to hear!
When they fail, we would be remiss to ignore & say nothing.
If the hierarchy wants ‘active participation of the laity’, they got it! ie, clean house!
Sheen was wrong.
Thanks for sharing the reality. There are of course channels out there on the schismatic side, but also one particularly flagrant one that says you can't be critical of Pope Francis or disagree at all. We're allowed to have feelings, but how we react to those feelings is critical for our salvation and others.
Well said Matt!
What if the pope is trying to change everything about the Catholic church???? I'm just so done and I'm so frustrated. I pray for Francis but I am not following his path to hell.
That's a nice argument senator, care to back that up with a source?
Matt, if you could please, could you make a video explaining sedevacantism - probably got that spelling wrong, not to promote it, but to explain the origins of it and why this an error in belief. I have had fellow Catholic brothers and sisters alike ask about this. I think once it is explained and the "why" behind it, people might better understand! Thank you for ALL the amazing work you do!
Spelling is correct.
An anti-pope? No.
A bad pope? Yes.
Thank you Matt. Pints remains a pillar of stability in popular Catholicism today. Stay strong with our Holy Father!
Snoop Dog pronounces it "Shizz-matic" or "Shizz'm" as in, "Fo' shizz'm my nizz'm"
Some sanity again from Matt Fradd - well done. Let's remember this part of Lumen Gentium 25 regarding accepting the teaching of each pope: "This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking."
Come on. It’s no sin to recognize that Jorge Bergoglio isn’t Catholic and is in fact anti-Catholic and so obviously cannot be the pope of the Catholic Church. By insisting that Bergoglio is the pope you contribute to his power and influence, make a mockery of the Church, and ultimately empty the papacy of meaning.
Oh for heaven's sake. The Church accepted the legitimacy of the medieval John XXIII for over 500 years then whoosh, the VII John XXIII toppled the medieval John from his niche and pinched his Jersey number. Then there is the intellectual conundrum that I can read the catechism, either the one from Trent of the new one and then listen to Francis and his familiars, like Hollerich or JM and try to square the circle. The glory of Catholicism is we are neither priest nor pope ridden because we have the historic teachings of the Church on which to form our judgments. The truth is that is HE or isn't HE has become irrelevant to our immediate need for salvation. During the great schism many of the saints had no idea who was the legitimate reigning pontiff. They nourished themselves on the historic teachings of the church and the sacraments. The whole point of Pascal's wager is found here, because Paschal realized he could not prove the existence of God to the libertines just as one can not prove that Francis is really or really not the pope, it is better to be safe than sorry and live by what we know to be true or good and focus on that. Sede's do not bother me because they accept the necessity of the papacy which is a considerable improvement over the Orthodox with whom the Vatican carries on a continual love fest. When all of the Francis splainers agree to call the Orthodox, heretics and schismatics then I might look at the Sede's with a more discerning eye. So sedevacantism is false but the Orthodox are not? Really? By the way I have tremendous respect for the Orthodox even though they are not perfect.
Matt, how can faithful Catholics be in submission in practical ways if he is declaring some things sinful or not sinful? For instance, he wants to do away with the Latin Mass and has declared that the Latin Mass is schismatic. Is a faithful Catholic in sin if he attends one? Is a priest who continues to say a Latin Mass in sin or as schismatic? What about the baptism of an unrepentant transgender? Are faithful Catholics sinning if they refuse to attend that baptism? No one seems to be answering these questions outright.
Some points I do agree, but there are also sins of omission, that occur when you should judge a wrong doing, a heresy to oppose it, but you don't and rather submit to it. Jeremiah's ongoing anathema is on the fraudulent clergy and the laity who does not stop them; they are both responsible.
Thank you, Matt
The “Pascal’s wager” argument only works if submitting to the current Pope comes with no serious spiritual risk. Since I’m not a Catholic, I don’t know with confidence what that spiritual risk might be, if anything.
Since paying attention to the bishops at large, I've generally maintained that they have made and continue to make unwise decisions, and I don't consider myself any different, but only in retrospect, of course.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🌐 *Understanding Sedevacantism*
- Sedevacantism is the belief that the chair of Peter is vacant, with no valid Pope.
- Holding the view of Sedevacantism is considered a grave sin.
- Emphasizing the importance of not perpetuating the idea, especially labeling the current Pope as an anti-Pope.
01:19 🤔 *Applying Pascal's Wager to the Papacy*
- Drawing an analogy with Pascal's Wager to illustrate the risks of rejecting the legitimacy of the current Pope.
- Highlighting the potential spiritual consequences of wrongly labeling Pope Francis as an anti-Pope.
- Encouraging caution in making such judgments, emphasizing the lack of authority for individuals to declare the Pope illegitimate.
02:27 🤝 *Understanding Schism*
- Defining schism as the refusal to submit to the Sovereign Pontiff and rejecting communion with those who acknowledge his supremacy.
- Identifying refusal to recognize Pope Francis as a true successor of Peter as a form of schism.
- Addressing potential variations of schism, such as rejecting communion with members who acknowledge the Pope's supremacy.
04:06 🙏 *Navigating Errors and Extremes*
- Acknowledging errors on both sides of the spectrum within the Church.
- Advocating for humble submission to Pope Francis while allowing space for constructive criticism.
- Emphasizing the importance of charity and understanding during times of confusion within the Church.
Very charitable and noble stance. It really is tough right now to know which way is up but Charitable is always the answer.
1:35 Matt casually flexing that Michael Knowles texted him 😂
"If someone criticizes the Pope, he's not a schismatic. If someone says he's a bad Pope, he's not a schismatic." Please tell this to Michael Lofton.......the self appointed canonist and popesplainer.
As a Catholic, I do not respect Bergoglio at all. I agree with everything Javier Milei said about him on Tucker's interview.
In this case the only option I see is to pray.
That's usually the answer. Pray for the pope. Pray for the people confused and struggling in the church right now.
Yes. The Church cannot be corrupted. At present, it's just super easy for both progressive and conservative people to behave badly. The hard thing is to be faithful neither seeking licence for sin, nor justification for wrath.
That's a great beard, Matt.
By the way, I admit ignorance as to why people are so upset about Pope Francis. Much of the stuff I've seen comes from misunderstanding or misrepresentation, as well as misinformation. What's the fuss all about?
'If you were to say, "I'd rather die than attend the Novus Ordo", you'd be a schismatic.'
If anyone ever asks for an example of a straw man argument, I'll quote you.
The Novus Ordo is schismatic.
So, if someone's criticism of a pope's encyclicals and apostolic letters includes claims of heresy (like Strickland for example), they are schismatic. Because, we owe submission of mind and heart to those magisterial documents. EWTN has long promoted this schismatic narrative as well.
Put me down as a full blown Schismatic!....I won't b e following Fascist Frankie on his march to hell.
Well said, Matt.
Love the Blessed Mother! Never, ever let go of her guiding hand that will lead us to Jesus. Pray as never before - especially the Rosary for her intentions.
Jesus leads you to Jesus, not Mary.
Protestant sects are a means of salvation, but sedevacantists are going to hell. Novus ordo theology is an absolute mess
They’re not a means of salvation if they explicitly reject the Catholic Church.
Long time viewer, first time subscribed though. Thank you for this word of obedience. It has been hard to listen to the vitriol against our Pope Francis, who has the impossible job of being the highest representative of God's church on earth. God bless him with wisdom and love as he continues to guide.
It’s not an impossible task when you believe the doctrines and moral teaching of the Faith.
In my opinion, with all due respect for your very understandable opinion, I believe that anyone who believes that doctrines and morality are enough to understand the incomprehensible depth and mystery of how God operates through us fragile and broken human beings is missing a large part of the picture. God bless this Pope, God bless all those who fervently believe in his guidance and all of those who don't. At the end of the day, we are one Church. @@steelmongoose4956
@sambradford3904 come over to Reason & Theology. You will get armed with the facts about Pope Francis and your faith in God, the current Pontiff and the Magisterium will increase!
@@thetruthbrigade007 Peter Dimond demolishes Lofton's Popesplaining
@@HIMYMTR Peter Dimond is a deluded individual and has separated himself from the Catholic Church.
What is image that blinks in 2:00 ?
3:25 How I "get around that?"
I don't if you are right and he's the real pope.
I do if he isn't, because that's not the situation St. Thomas was speaking of.
What does the apostolic deposit of faith in the New Testament have to say about schism?
It all sounds pretty accurate to me Matty ...Thank you so much
Disagreement with a pope is NOT sedevacantist. It would be disingenuous to say so.
I'm not a sedevacantist, but sedevacantism is not a heresy. It's never been declared a heresy, especially since history has shown saints like Vincent Ferer following anti-Popes and we've had periods of interregnum which is a state of sedevacantism factually existed for years.
@@gerry30I think that sedevecantism has been formally declared a heresy that we cannot hold. The church teaches that God will always provide a pope to sit on the throne of Peter until the end of time.
You couldn't say this is an interregnum time because the pope has been elected and accepted by the church.. this is different than the periods where there was no pope for a season. Basically once the pope is elected and is accepted by the church, he is the Pope
"So, then,
if anyone says that
the Roman pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and
not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole church, and this
not only in matters of
faith and morals, but also in those which concern the
discipline and government of the church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that
he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that
this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful:
let him be anathema." - Vatican I
@@flabiger Does Vatican I call for "absolute obedience" to the Pope or does it call for "true hierarchical obedience?"
5:15 I'm only _very charitably_ saying that your time of confusion involves promising a Pascal's wager type of argument, while not giving one.
Pascal's wager (the original) goes:
* if the God [we believe in] exists and you don't believe in Him, you even go to Hell
* if you do believe in Him and He doesn't exist, that doesn't make your life worse
Your wager goes:
* If Francis is the Pope, and you don't believe in him, you are schismatics
* -If Bergoglio is not Pope and you do accept him- oops, nothing stated at all ...
Quite honestly, I think the best we can do at this time is to focus our eyes entirely on Lord Jesus Christ. Worship God in Spirit and in Truth at Holy Mass. Receive the Sacraments. Pray for the salvation of souls (the Divine Mercy Chaplet, Rosary) and make hours of Adoration before the Blessed Sacrament. Lord Jesus Christ is the HEAD of the Church. Submit to Him and His Word. Ask our Lord Jesus to protect us physically and spiritually and beg Jesus to protect us from being deceived and deluded. There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.
Funny how you can say this, but Catholics will knock Protestants for always looking to Jesus first.
@@c2s2942 "Worship God in Spirit and in Truth at Holy Mass. Receive the Sacraments. Pray for the salvation of souls (the Divine Mercy Chaplet, Rosary) and make hours of Adoration before the Blessed Sacrament."
Apparently you didn't read that part of his answer.
I will never leave the church because I am here for Christ n not for a pastor. But I think it's right to call out a leader if we feel they are wrong or we ask for clarity when we have doubts from them. One thing i learnt in the serminary is the clergy are also sinners like the lay people. But it's harder to help them BC calling them out always kills the church's credibility. But what to do, stay silent and let things be or try to remedy the situation by asking for clarity? God help us all
I converted in my fourties. So I don't get a lot of this. I am American. I know in the Revolutionary War with Great British, the American soldiers, during the heat of battle, shouted at their Red Coat opponents, "I have no King but Jesus!" If the enemy was startled, that gave the American a second or two advantage (psychological warfare).
Right now, that is pretty much how I feel. MY King is Jesus. So what do I do about the Pope?
Since I traversed into warfare, bear with me as I now draw from politics. I assert, "Biden is not MY President!" But how far can I take that? The man lives in the White House and wields the powers of the Oval Office. If he were to issue an executive order that actually and legally commanded an action from me, I would have to obey. He is the Chief Executive! So, the assertion that he isn't my President has to be emotional. Aligned with solid facts I would offer to show why I arrived at that feeling. But in the end, it is affective, not actual.
So, here it is: Pope Francis is not MY Pope! Does that mean I want to break away? No! For me, that states my feelings. But I am very aware the man is the head of state of the Vatican. And that he sits in the Chair of St. Peter. So he is Pope! And if he issues some order for Catholics to follow, I ought to follow it. There is one exception. I might end up saying, as Peter and John said to the Pharasee (in Acts) "I must obey God rather than man." That example is there for all. Now I know that would be extreme, but I must always be prepared to say that. However, at this time I am NOT saying that. All I am saying is that I no longer like what this Pope is doing. That's all. I wait for those more learned than I to do something about all of this. I cannot. But I can say I am alienated from this Pope. Which doesn't mean I wouldn't obey him. It just means that what this Pope does (SOME of what he does) causes me consternation. And the situation itself upsets me. I wait to see what God Almighty will do.
I sure didn't bargain for this when I converted! But here it is. That's a fact. I intend to remain in the one holy Catholic Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ.
Let's see if I have the fortitude, the guts, to remain.
I believe I have the right to feelings. There is a saying that applies: "Feelings aren't facts. But it is a fact that I feel."
That is how I am saying: Biden isn't my President. Francis isn't my Pope. Those are my feelings. In reality, Biden is President of the USA. Francis is Pope of the Catholic Church.
Pope Francis has a created such a massive problem in the Church. I (as a non-Catholic Christian) follow many Catholic commentators and over the last few years, basically every single one of them has had to turn to spending so much time explaining, defending, and jumping through hoops to express why the Pope is such a venerated position and yet Francis is so destructive.
As an outsider looking it, it just looks like such a clown show. I am not Catholic but it would be nice if the Catholic Church didn't totally go insane and helped hold the ground against the crazy people, or I guess we could all spend hours and hours and hours defending a man literally no one actually wants to defend.
Which catholic commentators are you listening to? I'm curious because I used to be a long time listener of Taylor Marshall and have come to realize that he's very wrong about a lot of things.
@@nathanbustamante1525 Yes. You should check out some of Michael Lofton's stuff if you haven't already.
I really challenge that it’s only Francis that has created the problem - it’s everyone thinking they have the authority to have an opinion on him that has helped create this mess. Times have significantly changed in the last thirty years. We’ve had a complete social communication revolution and are used to pretending like we have something to offer in matters we are not well versed in. We didn’t have the same level of connectivity twenty years ago in the way we do now, anyone with an internet connection can now make a comment. People are exposed to far more content in one year than they’d likely experience in their entire lifetime.
Francis is really only ‘destructive’ to those who believe the endless false narratives and hysterics about him and can’t stay humble in their faith. The Church is going through a rough time because we are living through difficult and radical social changes. There is a great deal of misinformation spread everywhere and it is a product of today’s horrific media environment. We each have a responsibility to be aware that we are vulnerable to these kinds of attacks. Armchair UA-cam journalists are beholden to zero ethics and mainstream media always have a story to sell. If you don’t carefully vet your sources you can easily wind up in a bad place.
Social media news is often characterized by tracking every little detail and is often blown out of proportion and misconstrued. Francis is one of the first popes to be put under this level of public scrutiny. He’s being examined like no one ever before him and in ways no one can predict. In the past most of us would have little access or exposure to the day to day details of the papacy. We don’t give Francis enough credit for dealing with the challenges of living under a microscope. We obsess over every detail and act as if we aren’t the problem but this ultra critical behavior is not normal.
Francis isn’t perfect and has made mistakes at times but he’s also human. The church is protected by God - if you have faith in the church and its mission then you trust in God and don’t worry so much about the storm rocking the boat. The endless fear mongering is what’s blowing up many of these issues. The endless polemical videos that only serve to scare people away from living their faith. Faithful Catholics shouldn’t be feeding into the mess. They should recognize it for what it is, spiritual warfare.
@@lux-veritatis On the one hand I agree that scrutinizing Pope Francis so much is a product of our massive interconnected media. But it's not like this scrutiny is completely unwarranted. During such rapidly changing times it would be great to have a Pope steadfast in church teaching. Unfortunately, that's not really the case, and so we have to look elsewhere for inspiration to stay hardened in the faith, practically speaking.
@@GloriaJesu Micheal lofton just proves OP's pont.
I was listening to a priest the other day (wish I could remember who, someone everyone's knows) saying we can't call the pope an anti pope 3:23 or a heretic...but we can refuse to him erring.
I was thinking about being Catholic, but the history of the church (Indulgences, inquisition, bad popes) are repulsive to me. Bad popes were chosen by their peers, so was the whole batch bad? It's a scary thought.
God bless you, Matt Fradd. You are truly a beacon within the church and I hope to reflect that light.
Your editor is doing you dirty. Every time a UA-cam short gets put out it radically distorts the original clip and causes a lot of confusion for no reason. Then something like this gets posted and it's also not great, but it's at least clearer what you're trying to say. I don't understand the motivation behind this incoherence. Either you're trying to drive outrage clicks, which, for a Catholic podcast feels pretty sinister, or there's no thought being put into what the message being conveyed is which is such a maladroit approach to creating spiritual content.
That’s what I was wondering too
I'm 68 and have been a Catholic my whole life, as well as my family. There have been many changes in the church over the years, centuries even. I, personally, am not happy with this pope, neither was my mom or her sisters, they are all gone now. I think many of us look back at John Paul and sigh because he was so loving. That is the kind of pope I would love to have again. Yes, we do try to find fault in people, it is human nature. I've never been "right or left", very moderate, but many things going on now are just destructive and I was given free will, just like all of us. We can be Catholics and have disagreeing viewpoints. And I would not leave the church just because I didn't' like the pope. I try to focus on Jesus, what he wants us to do and how to live. That is where our focus should be, IMO. I have been watching your channel quite a lot and I love the discussions and the guests you have.
Matt, have they gotten to you? It seems like you're trying to save your skin as a channel by pushing this line.
Is 1:54:00 a kind of visual dad joke about the chair being empty?
Christ said the gates of Hell would not prevail, that the HS would guide the Church. Empty-seaters are basically calling Christ a liar, because to imply the Pope isn't valid in his office is to say that the gates of hell have somehow prevailed, or the HS was napping during the conclave.
Christ said nothing about the gates of the Church prevailing. It's the gates of Hell that won't prevail against the Church when she is fully on the offensive against evil. Look up the case for Pope Formosus. Pope Stephen VI put his corpse on trial and declared him an anti-Pope and everything he did invalid. This was both overturned and then ratified again by multiple popes.
What makes anyone think the remark about the gates of hell not prevailing means a pope can't be a heretic? That's a big stretch
@@ToddFrizzell-zi5nj I think we have a major problem with people conflating venerating the office of the papacy and treating the Pope with due respect to turning the Pope into an idol or some mystical Avatar of Christ instead of the Vicar of Christ.
It is impossible for a pope to commit formal heresy. So long as Pope Francis does not commit formal heresy, he remains the pope. His ambiguity is not heresy, it’s scandal at most, but not heresy.
Baptizing transvestites in sacrilege and he authorized it. Game over
@@ToddFrizzell-zi5nj yeah that’s not what he was saying first of all. He said you can be baptized if you were a transgender but now follow the church’s teachings. Meaning that you no longer believe you are the opposite sex and reject that.
I disagree. Those with authority are crooked and are doing nothing about Bergoglio’s heresy.
I agree with you
Good faith controversy over the identity of the Vicar of Christ is NOT schismatic.
Let's all pronounce it "skiz-matic". I like that better, thanks.
Wait what form of Mass did Saint John Vianney say?
Oh the Latin Mass?
Weird - what a schismatic sedevecantist. He's most certainly not a saint then.
Saying i just dont like the guy (Francis) is enough for me
The Paschal Wager can also be argued against your stance. If "Pope Francis" is spouting serious heresies and actively termite-ing the church, which he is, then this "we must submit to the pope" stance will lead many souls to hell. But those who recognise the heresies will be saved. **IF** for the sake of theoretical argument they are proven wrong, and we are "surprised by the Holy Spirit who has now decided to turn doctrines 180 degrees around; after all the Protestants were right all along" - then the diehard Catholics can still say "but we were following the Catechism and the Dogmatic Councils, because You Lord said "whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven", and Dogmatic Councils are more binding than aeroplane interviews and conversations with atheists like Scalfari.
Similarly, for you to say we cannot judge whether pope or antipope, because no laity can sack the pope. Again it also means *you* cannot tell laity pope or antipope, never mind the sacking, because you are not clergy and thus have no ecclesiastical authority. You only hold a microphone and camera and opine, while the heresies and scandals fly like a plague of locusts in all directions.
I believe this sort of refusing to call out crap, because - "respect" - is exactly why we had 60 years of horrific paedophile predator priests, NOT being called out and jailed. "Respect" and "don't cause scandal" led to bigger scandal, multi-million $ payouts, and millions of disgusted Catholics walking away thus endangering their souls. The Bergoglian scandals are worse - sex scandals hurt bodies and minds. Mr Pachamama is leading souls to hell. The Catechism will be my shield; the real one, not the version already being manipulated.
right on Matt
Leaving The Church is saying you have no faith in Christ's promise that the gates of hell won't prevail against The Church.
What kind of Church? Any: with dumb pastors@the main Pastor, this Pope Francis - a theological clown in words and actions, e.g. Laudate Si, a recent call to abolish... fossil-based energy- the case of Gallielo@AD 1543, Copernicus has not yet taught him@VAtican clowns anything, changing the death penalty status. The end of such "Church" is foretold already in the Bible: 1Cor 11:26 or Ap 21:22 is combined with the now openly global stupidity of the Universe@esp. in Akademia that is known thanks to free (not perfectly) social media. A "supernatural" proof is documented by the Police, Court case@ the death of RC Pastor (who hit me), and the collapse of RC Celebrant at AD 2001 Jan.27 H.Mass' altar after my...Word criticizing the catechetical idiocy, I see it now as a 1 million-member world sect Neocatechumenat whose main commandment is Absolute obedience to the Leader (sic!) like East Gurus. I know spiritual discernment (after practical Spiritual Exercises of St. I. Loyola) and theology. Check Los.Rom. 5 Feb.1992@the card.Ratzinger on the Fr.of "same-sex marriage" legalization, A.Guindon, O.M.I@his Sexual Creators,(PhDs from Gregorianum and McGill, Montreal but still did not learn...Aristotle, and A. Tarski's (divine) scientific semantics (AD 1936) after my Ref.Mail@...a written Response from Congr. of Cath.Ed.! More...events and facts esp. on (philosophical) idiocy in textbooks of physics fooling students and readers
I was in Rome when Francis was elected. It was a joyous time. As a father, I feel that Pope Francis has abandoned my family and my community to the wolves.
"Is the pope Catholic?"
This simple question speaks a fundamental truth about the pope even non-catholics understand: to be pope he must be Catholic.
To be Catholic means you hold the Catholic Faith WHOLE and INVIOLATE.
WHOLE meansbyou believe all the teachings of the Church without rejecting a single point of doctrine.
INVIOLATE means you believe all of the teachings of the Church without changing the meaning of those teachings.
Do you believe jorge bergoglio holds the Catholic Faith WHOLE and INVIOLATE?
Wise words, Matt. Appreciate you.
Thank you for saying that. We need to trust in the promise of the Holy Spirit.
Pope Francis is the Pope. But sometimes I see him sort of giving up his authority on some issues and this is worrying. But God bless this man, we need him, God has plans.
So no one can say when a pope is an antipope? But still, you can criticize the pope, you can even say he is a bad pope? OK. Reminds me of Father Cekada's criticism of the R&R crowd because this approach ultimately makes each individual the pope who gets to call out the pope when he's behaving like "bad dad."
Antipope means not validly elected Pope. That issue does not apply to Francis as both the college of bishops and Benedict XVI called and accepted him as the Pope.