Neural Amp Modeler - (Amp vs NAM Capture / Reamp Calibration / Initial Setup)
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- Neural Amp Modeler - (Amp vs NAM Capture / Reamp Calibration / Initial Setup)
NAM VST - github.com/sdatkinson/NeuralA...
NAM Training File - drive.google.com/file/d/1v2xF...
Jason Zdora Google Collab Training - • How to use NAM Neural ...
Jason Zdora Local NAM Training - • How to install NAM Tra...
NAM Facebook Group - / neuralampmodeler
ToneHunt - tonehunt.org/
AmpsPedalsPickups ToneHunt Profile - tonehunt.org/AmpsPedalsPickups
DrewHast ToneHunt Profile - tonehunt.org/Drewhast
Free IRs (Bogren Digital) - bogrendigital.com/pages/free-...
Free IR Creator (Make your own IRs) - ml-sound-lab.com/products/mik...
GGD Cali IRs (Paid) - www.getgooddrums.com/collecti...
Join our DISCORD Server - / discord
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:52 - EVH 5150 III Demo
02:04 - What is NAM
03:05 - Loading a Capture
03:29 - Looking at IRs
04:51 - Downloading Captures / ToneHunt
05:26 - Dialing in a Tone
08:00 - Reamp Setup
09:20 - Reamp Training File
10:14 - Exporting Amped Tone
11:28 - NAM Training Methods
12:04 - Local NAM Training
15:15 - Comparing NAM vs Real Amp
17:10 - Final Thoughts
GEAR USED
- Gibson Les Paul Custom
- RME UCX II Interface
- Creation Audio Labs MW1 DI/Reamp
- EVH 5150 III 50W
- Samson Patchbay
Neural Amp Modeler (NAM) is basically a Quad Cortex, IK ToneX, Kemper.... but its open source and Free!
There are two basic halves to thinking about NAM 1) Playing Captures 2) Capturing Your own Sounds
Most people just want to download a free guitar plugin, download thousands of sounds and be super happy so the good news is that just playing captures is super easy. Use the links I've provided up top and download the NAM vst, install it, fire it up in your DAW, download some captures off of ToneHunt and voila, you're good to go.
If you want to capture your own sounds then check out Jason Zdora's videos on how to setup "Training" (links above).
NAM has insanely raised the bar on putting capturing technology into the hands of the people... and for free! Give it all a whirl and let me know how you go with captures. I will also probably start doing captures of all my gear here so stay tuned for my NAM captures!
If you have any gear or software demos you want me to take a look at just comment or email and I can chuck it on my list.
Thanks for watching!
- Nathan
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Dude. This video should be named "NAM 101" and be the first thing anyone in the Facebook group sees. Good work
I typically make these kinds of vids after I’ve waded through all the hoops first hand so I def know the noob 101 frustration 😂
Glad it helped!
@@ampspedalspickups as NAM gets more popular and known, I've noticed an influx of people in the Facebook group who, for example, don't even know what an IR is or where to get them lol. This video would be great for them.
Amazing video and capture! Thanks 🤘🤠 Looking forward to more good stuff on this channel 🎸
Legend!
Nice video.
I just love NAM, the best tones I've ever had... and all thanks to a wonderful community.
Ive spent the last 2 weeks messing around with captures and processes and all things NAM. I can say first hand the high gain captures are best in class. I spent close to 2 months trying to perfect things in ToneX and a few of us just couldn't get there, whereas NAM seems to hold up a lot better. So far it is borderline too good to be true!
I'm happy with how its all coming out so it's just a matter of doing the captures and sharing them with everyone, exciting times.
@@ampspedalspickups Tonex is great for low gain stuff, but so is NAM. When it comes to high gain though, NAM is just so much better, it's no contest.
@@milankotevski1663 I battled hard with ToneX and high gain. This patch here there is no way it could handle it. I did at least 20-30 failed captures x 40 mins each in ToneX. Compared to NAM where I can just prep all the files and then select multiple files for processing in the trainer, the workflow alone is better and faster overall... and better results, its win win win!
I wonder if ToneX will update their training or offer training 2.0 at some stage. I'm not too fussed, until something else comes along I'm sticking with NAM for the meantime.
@@ampspedalspickups Cool, cool. I don't have any gear to capture, but I started using NAM in my home studio for a while now... and I couldn't be happier. I just bought a Tonex pedal for playing live... and since I come from NAM, I discovered that amp only models (high gain) with my trusted IRs sound best to me, a lot better than amp-cab models. But I literally have tried it twice, and haven't even rehearsed with my band yet.
Thank you. New info to me. I love this NAM amp.
Great sound of NAM, thank for video.
Awesome video! Very well explained.
This really helps people connect the dots, I hope!
We are all just a sea of noobs trying to help each other out 😂.
I'd only tried the google collab method and didnt like it, I was about to wade through setting it up locally and your video had just come out. Followed it and got setup quickly. I had intended on making a setup video to streamline the process but you nailed it, no need for another one!
I need to figure out how to go from where I am with my local setup to getting it upto date with the latest training 0.52. I'm sure its not hard I just havent looked into it yet, could be a good follow up vid on your end cause the training updates will inevitably be constant.
Love your work man!
@@ampspedalspickups Yep I was putting something together and then my update failed. Worked with Steve on it and he said "Im actually going to change how this works soon" so Im going to hold off on that. The basic idea is that you can completely delete the NAM Anaconda environment and then just redo the steps to rebuild it. The command is:
conda env remove --name nam
You do that from the very first time you start up Anaconda when its in (base) mode. Then you just repeat the install steps in my google doc.
Amazing video
Wow magic stuff❤
Top tier!
Pretty wild, sounded dead on.
I am a drummer with a few DONNER guitars. Ha! And I was already flashed by the free Ignite Emissary/Amped Roots or BIAS FX2 LE amp sims. Then, last year I grabbed Amplitube 5 because I like these nice graphics and mic/room/mixing possibilities. Then TONEX was launched and I was like ... aha neural networks ... haha! Marketing! Naaaah, I was wrong. I did a bit of research and put some links into my community section.
So this thing seems to be awesome. I am just using the NAM + profiles and enjoying the nice tones but a guitarist this must be like heaven just to capture the favorites signal chains and have them available right away in the DAW.
Pretty nice stuff!
Oh man even a year or two ago if you wanted profiling you’d be spending thousands on a Kemper or quad cortex. Now it’s free, and arguably better, it’s really insane.
@@ampspedalspickups I can't believe it. All your great vst modeling plugins are now obsolete (mercuriall ampbox e.g.). An a decade ago I spent thousends of dollars for hardware.
I've been wondering about what file formats NAM uses, so seeing that the exported re-amped file must be a ".wav format file" was helpful. What is the file format of the Output file after the training has been done - Is it also a .wav file?
I've heard that sometimes people make a NAM Capture of just the Amp, and sometimes people make a Capture of both the Amp and Cab (together/simultaneously?). In the second method, does that result in a single .wav IR file as the Output? Thanks, your video was very helpful.
Yep the training file v_1_1_1.wav is provided to us by the nam devs, run that through the amp and you’ll have your amp output. Export that as a 24bit mono wav in 48k and there’s your A/B wav files.
The underlying neural network tech can be tweaked and it is currently tuned to work best as an amp only capture. But many people are exporting their amp captures with the IR baked in and are having success. I’ve even done it by mistake by leaving the plugin active when Ive exported the file. At a glance I’d say the end result is maybe 3-5% less good than doing the amp and adding an IR but it’s still a usable result if you bake it in.
And yep if you bake in the IR then there’s no need to load an additional one. If you have an additional IR running it’ll sound really weird and far away (bad tone).
The best part about doing amp only captures is the flexibility of using different IRs like Mesa cabs, Marshall’s, orange, the list is endless. The main positive about baking the IR in is that you can control what the end user here’s with no fuss…. But from real world mileage having no IR baked in is pretty much what people want, but all options are there for you!
Love NAM and the community. It always misses a little bit in the bottom palm mute compression and a little bit in the highs. Besides that it's outstanding.
I think that's because NAM doesn't profile the compression of an amp.
Cool comparison did u loaded the head by loadbox? Or recorded a mic
Loadbox - Two Notes Captor here
Do you have a metalzone can you run it into the effects loop of your 5150 and capture that tone and upload it to tonehunt?
Haven’t had a metalzone for years, I was actually browsing the boss ml2 today lol (metalcore pedal). Check my profile on tonehunt I uploaded another capture using the pepers dirty tree and that’s a super gained out tone for old parkway drive / bury your dead, anything moshcore in drop a# drop b kinda stuff
It would be great to use a NAM capture in the toneX pedal. In the internet are a lot of online document converters. Why not a converter that converts a NAM capturing into a toneX format or a kemper format or a quad cortex format?
That’s an interesting concept. I’m not sure if the ins and outs. I know they use the same underlying training technology but I’m not sure what’s involved in making them translatable
Are you going to upload your captures to Tonehunt?
This was a bit of a thrash capture for the sake of the video but I’ll do a bunch and upload them in the next two days. I’ll edit the vid description and drop a comment as well!
I’ve also got a bunch of pedals and amps to review so my longer term plan is to put the stuff gradually onto tonehunt as well (as I get the items through my hands). It’s all super easy to get going and the end result sounds great, totally stoked on NAM.
I've just uploaded it to ToneHunt - tonehunt.org/AmpsPedalsPickups/8876feef-cae7-4e03-b0e6-aaddf8361165
Dude, what is that clean riff you played at the beginning? I've heard it multiple times and actually play it sometimes, myself. But I have no idea what it is 😂
Haha I play these chords all the time to noodle and I’ve heard it in a bunch of places. Dream State - New Waves use them spot on, one of my fav songs of theirs and that album is killer as well
@ampspedalspickups113 yeah I figured it was just some random chord progression that just happens to be quite popular lol. It sounds so familiar, so makes sense it's probably in a ton of songs.
Do you know what processor and RAM memory requirements NAM needs to work well? I have I5 with 16 GB, and I have small interruptions in the sound. Thank you!
I'm not sure about minimum spec to run it, I would just increase the buffer to 256 / 512 / 1024 to test if the interruptions go away. The higher it is the more latency there is so not good to play but at least you can try to identify the issue temporarily.
I saw someone on the Facebook group say when they had the NAM capture + IR loaded in the NAM player they had issues but running the IR seperately got them better results. I reckon join the facebook group or discord cause you'll probably get some better help / other people who've overcome these issues. I'm on a Ryzen 3900x with 64gb of RAM and the most I've ran in a session was 6 x NAMs and it was fine. Good luck!
@@ampspedalspickups Thanks!!!
Hello! Is there any way to take the profile, some code or something and make a VST from it? I was wondering if i could make a profile from a pedal i have, and then make a VST from that pedal/profile, using NAM to help me on that.
You could possibly reskin the nam player to look like the pedal but best to ask in the nam group. Definitely requires a bunch of coding and not straight forward stuff. Not impossible but needs time
you need an engine to reproduce the captured profile but I'd assume there is a method by 3rd party software to 'freeze' that into a simpler VST plugin. For guitars you might want 2-3 variations depending on picking style and pickup impedance.
Great idea - I'll look around for something that might work.
I`m very new to this. Please. how did you get the DI signal and Guitar signal in a different track. I`m using a DI box + Interface + Amp. I don`t have a reamp box.
Interface is connected via usb to the computer. Depending on the interface you can probably just plug the guitar in directly. But since you have a DI box the guitar would go into the DI and the DI into the interface
Once you get the guitar signal going in reaper or whatever daw you’re using just load up NAM and you should hear the sound being changed etc
You only need a reamp box if you’re going to be making your own tones with your own amps, if you’re just using NAM to play existing amps then the DI/interface is all you need
@@ampspedalspickups thank you :)
@@ampspedalspickups Thank you for your answer. I will buy a Reamp Box then to capture my own amp. Is it enough with my Interface ? I don`t have actually the DI box on me?
@@mialarssen2627 Most interfaces do a good enough job of taking a guitar signal so a DI isn't a "need". If you have the reamp box then you should be fine.... Interface output --> reamp --> into the amp --> loadbox or microphone infront of a speaker cab --> back to the interface.
I guess the only question is how are you planning on capturing the sound? With a loadbox or are you micing a cab? But yeah you dont need a DI really, it is just extra help.
Is it possible to capture an amp simulator plugin? If yes, how?
In reaper instead of reamping the training file. If you have an amp sim on that track you can right click on the wav and hit render fx. It will apply the guitar sim directly onto the training file and you’re goood to export. It’s actually pretty quick to do it that way
Oh seems easy, I will try it, thanks
Hello. Is it possible to capture sound of vst chain in DAW instead of real amp?
It depends what the chain is doing but give it a try. People have done captures for compressors and preamps with certain distortion characterises. I think things with a fixed position will work best but it’s something to play around with
Thank you so much for replay. I had an issue to start training. There was some kind problem with recognizing my output file. But you gave ma a clue - TURN OFF NOISE GATE in my vst chain🙂.I did so and everything worked well. Thanks again for good tip 👌@@ampspedalspickups
Yeah! I've done a lot of experimenting and no noise gate is the way to go!.
Once you have the amped signal with no noise gate... if you have something like rx spectral denoiser or any kind of denoiser plugin you can try and run that and export it. There's always a balance of potentially taking too much information away with denoisers... I only do it sometimes not a "must have" but something to play around with... but yeah traditional noise gates just dont seem to work, too harsh on the cut offs. Glad it helped!
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Hi newbie here. how can i use delay & reverb on this vst? can someone help me 😅
You’d need additional vsts for delay and reverb, this only does the amp and IR. In my demo here in the beginning with clean guitar I was going NAM -> Amplitube5.
You don’t need amplitube but whatever delay and reverb you have just run it after the NAM plugin
@@ampspedalspickups hey thanks for responding!! do you have any suggestion for delay and reverb? i mean the one that does not effect the tone on this modeler
Without thinking about it too much I’d just try the stock sounds you have in your daw (Cubase, reaper etc).
If you don’t like those then download ml roots amped (free). Turn off the amp and cab inside of roots and then you can use the pedalboard for delay and reverb pedals, I would run this AFTER nam not before it
So in order to model my own amp, I need…a reamp? Lol sorry I just started looking into all this.
I was thinking maybe I could record my actual amp with a mic and have that modeled or learned..whatever the correct terminology is here
The way the technology works is it looks at a "source" file and compares it to a modified version of that source file... So you have a source WAV file, play that through anything (amp directly, microphone in front of the amp, anything). Once you have the source and the modified version it creates a neural model on the differences between the two "what is required to take the source and make it like the modified version"... its a bit of an over explanation so in the real world the source file is a bunch of blips and guitar DI's to mimic a guitar and all the extremes. You use a reamp box to take that same signal out of your computer and run it through an amp. You can either mic a cab or have a loadbox or amp direct out, any method of capturing what that amp sounds like... capture that audio. Now you have your two files and you get the "NAM trainer" to run its calculations and create a "NAM file". All the end user does is load up that NAM file in the vst player and it should sound "exactly" like the amp
So the reamp box is used to send that source audio as cleanly as possible from your interface into the amp... if you just gain up your interface it might physically work but its problematic and never quite right (unless you have an interface with a dedicated section for this... most dont). The reamp box came about to handle this kind of task as cleanly as possible. You can definitely try things out without the reamp box but you'll probably find the amp will sound a bit lifeless. This isn't a limitation on NAM or anything its just the nature of "reamping guitars in general".
@@ampspedalspickups I truly appreciate that explanation. Thank you
found NAM few days ago: my mediocre guitar does not feel so mediocre anymore 8)
It’s honestly nuts that amp profiling is this good and free to everyone, great time to be a guitarist
Every new modeler claims to be the best. . . :-) . . .how many have there been already? 20 . . . 30 . . . 50? Isn't it better to buy real gear? Otherwise it doesn't sound bad. .
I mean this doesn’t cost any money so no financial burden here 😆