I Was Wrong About Playing In Bronze
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
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00:00 - 00:51 // What Part Of The Reddit Post We Are Covering
00:51 - 02:18 // CS Better & Not Dying Is Lazy Advice
02:18 - 04:58 // Lack Of Pragmatic Advice
04:58 - 07:26 // Fundamentals Aren't Important
07:26 - 10:33 // Difficulty Of Game Under Emphasized
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Coach Curtis unironically managed to make the only non cringe and best apology video of our generation, and I didn't even realise It was an apology till the end ❤
We play league, it wasnt an apology.
it was to let everyone know we tethered beautiful that game
if he gonna post videos how to play better and use high elo concept, then you have to be better than last time because everyone is getting better globally so what.... thats why a magician never reveals his secrets.... gl hf on climbing, now you have to figure out how you reach your desired elo by yourself, YES BY YOURSELF, and noone can manipulate you, thats why its called hero to zero, not zero to hero, ironically
who cares ELO? right? = BUSINESS, MONEY, JOB, I LOVE WHAT IM DOING, noone loves oneone in a race or sport, none trust anyone, and none respect anyone, because you have to know / understand better.
@@RegiJatekokMagazin yo wtf are you trying to say
I thought that award went to Miranda Sings 😏
@@RegiJatekokMagazin Yeah, never trust any coach in any game or sport, because they really don't want to help their students get better and compete with them...Dude GTFO
Between Coach Curtis and Midbeast, it’s clear to see OCE produces the most humble players in this community
Can’t forget the big homie Nathan
The humble midbeast has defeated faker, dopa in soloq, solokilled doinb but still so humble.
@@adve1s he also reached challenger in korea, very humble
coach cupcake, nathan mott, coach curtis, midbeast, shernfire, etc. all these people are oce goat's
Tell that to FreakyGaren ddt7
I've definitely seen this happen. I hired a coach to help me get to Platinum last year. During that time, I learned a ton about the game just going from just gold 4 to plat 4. Going back to playing in normals with my casual friends, I realized how much I knew now, and how much my opponents in platinum knew compared to the casual players in normals. I'd point out things that would seem obvious to myself but had gone completely over the head of my friends. All that to say, the mental stack capacity or knowledge of the game for any player can't be assumed just from time spent with the game. Every player learns different skills from playing different champions and roles, and many people have never had a better player directly teach them what they don't know about the game. Playing with my friends and talking with my coach also showed me that people can develop intuitions that are completely wrong. Casual and new players have a very narrow view of the game so their game knowledge often lacks the necessary information needed to make it optimal. A coach or just a higher elo player who has a broader view of the game is needed to help expand that game knowledge by starting with what is known and expanding slowly into the unknown. Telling a casual player, "Just CS better," means "Don't miss last hits," to them; as they don't yet know how wave mechanics affect CS numbers more than just last hitting. Communicating information in a way that doesn't leave room for misinterpretation is crucial for better coaching in the league scene and teaching in general.
I would also add, since I'm still learning the game, when I hear "CS better", I try and go for the last hit only to get attacked heavily.
Especially when I'm behind in the game and struggling to keep up. It always makes me feel like I CAN be better, but I'm NOT getting better due to knowing very little about match-ups.
I do play casually as I'm still level 24-25 as of this post. I know I can't say much as I'm not in ranked yet (Or ever will be considering what type of people inhabit it), but I try my best to get better and at least learn a few things to keep me alive.🥃
@@OneZenDarius Don't worry dude, it takes time to learn league. The fact you are consuming content is a great sign, however, you need to put in the work and hours >:(
This is made up to boost your own ego
just cs better is just saying "git gud scrub" xD
Yea, man, that sentence is kinda funny when used in the proper context, but because of influence from game communities like League's and Dark Souls it became hella toxic. Fk that shit.@@scno0B1
Love the ability to admit your own mistakes and the things you viewed incorrectly. This kind of thinking is all too rare out there. Your content inspires me to be better in league and in life. I feel like your philosophy towards self reflection and self improvement has helped me to improve in many areas of my life.
100%. This is rare, and needed!!
I still disagree with this take, yes champion mastery definitely matters more than fundamentals, but this still doesnt disprove that fundamentals matter less than advanced tactics, the og reddit post is still wrong in thinking that at low-elo you should start by learning the advanced tactics of the game rather than the fundamentals, maybe in a future season where the meta changes so mucher and wildly up to the point where the “advanced” so called tactics actyually become the fundamentals and viceversa, as it is rn, fundamentals will get you much further than where advanced tactics alone will, and also not to mention that youll still need to learn everything about the game unless youre a OTP playing just a single champ, and good luck OTPing in Draft where people will likely ban your strongest pick if your 2• best is below average.
Thanks Coach! Personally, I think the original video did serve an audience.
I was stuck in bronze because I just tried to do too much with the muscle memory I had built on my champion. Anxiety made me do things that didn't make sense and miss key abilities. I needed to change my mindset. So getting some CS with a particular emphasis on the first 10 minutes and why I was missing it before, patiently waiting for the enemies to make obvious mistakes while valuing my life, and just grouping with my team got me into silver on a huge win streak.
I just sort of relaxed and let the game play out. The games felt really easy instead of stressful. And that was from your video. Also turning chat off.
I'm still steadily climbing through silver now, most of the games feel very easy, and I'm having a blast.
IMO the best way to learn farming waves, is to a watch a high elo one trick of that champion, and see how they manage and clear the waves with their champions in all state of the game. That alone helped me.
The subtle turning chat off 😂
At the end, if you try to do too much, you'll end burning out. Just get consistency to be more useful to your team. If they are at your elo they are probably at least doing some things right.
I wish I was having your experience. I went from bronze to hardstuck iron, and I keep getting matched with obvious smurfs further depressing my rank. I use Porofessor to check ranks and there's plenty of people that are either current or recent gold players in my games too, on top of botters and the aforementioned smurf accounts. I reported a bot/smurf account to Riot's twitter and nothing was done for months.
The ranked ladder is really, really bad this year for low elo.
Turning chat off is unironically the quickest way to increase your enjoyment of the game, it's like a cheat code for free mmr
Cool to see the evolution of your coaching methodology. Been following for a couple years now. ❤
It's a never ending journey. I'll be honest, this has been the most satisfying part. The constant 'trying to solve' the coaching craft, having to alter my previous takes and evolve. I hope to continue for many years to come!
5:35 YES. THANK YOU Coach. I've been preaching this to Skillcapped for ages, but they really just didn't get it. A lot of high ELO players can be so good at the game, but have AWFUL insight when it comes to understanding teaching what's necessary. They made fun of your Zed video for being too in depth, but looking back, I learned more from that one video than a year's worth of Skillcapped content, so the joke is really on them. Got my full refund after I failed their "climb guarantee" at least lol
I’m glad Curtis seems to be one of the few coaches who understands that teaching is a skill in itself. Another thing I appreciate is the comments about ‘muscle memory.’ I work in the top tier of my field, and sometimes people ask ‘How do you do x thing’ or ‘why do you do x thing?’ and I don’t like giving answers because the answer is often just ‘idk man just intuition’ or ‘just muscle memory and practice.’ I genuinely don’t like not being able to explain my moment to moment decisions but that’s just how it is.
In psychology of mastery there is the stage "unconsciously competent". This is when you are so expert you don't even know how you do things. Coaches are beyond this and know how to explain the underlying assumptions. This is why experts often make bad manager/coaches, until they realize this :)
I've noticed that I have way more problems with explaining skills I've just learned thanks to tons of practice vs those I've consciously tried to improve. Whenever my friends asked me with programming help, I had no idea how to teach them - I just kind of intuitively use my knowledge. Meanwhile, when I and my roommate are in the kitchen, I can point out tips and techniques I've learned from various cooking videos.
Even with just LoL, I never had any idea how to explain the things I've picked up over my years of playing, a lot are just muscle memory. But I have been able to give others advice since I've started actively trying to improve, because I know what things I've changed to get better.
As a teacher myself it is refreshing to see a League coach who is so down to earth and reflective of their practices. It breaks my heart to see coaches who are rude and belittle players with less experience who are merely wanting help and advice. I enjoy your videos even as a jungler because you break down concepts better than most other coaches I know of and you seem both knowledgeable and reasonable. Kudos and keep it chill!
I love this video.Been playing for over a decade now. I saw you and your aforementioned low elo annie video just two days ago and really felt that it under explained all the micro interactions that was going on. Now this video came out in such perfect timing. it takes a quality person to analyze and reflect on their mistakes- qualities befitting a great coach. Thank you for this self reflection! You've got a new subscriber!
Nice video man. As a coach I can relate to that completely. There's a huge difference between a coach that knows where the issues come from, and a coach that simply says what he sees. There's so many bad habits in low elo that only better players can recognize and verbalize it to the player, in a way to improve him.
This coach doesn't just optimize your game sense...but the actual coaching itself.
Wholesome Coach Curtis, reviewing your old video and reflecting on your performance in the bronze elo game was really good to highlight the skills you showed off without thinking much about them.
My favorite coach on League from germany who coaches all elo brackets always emphasizes that you should know your own champion and the enemy's before even thinking about trading, wavestates etc.. Without champion mastery you won't be able to execute on any fundamentals because you are still struggling with everything else going on in the game.
The things he prioritizes for beginners are mostly simple matchup analysis and how to get leads in lane/jungle. 😊
I appreciate your videos so much Curtis. Both the stuff you put out on your own channel and on BBC is some of the most informative league content I can find. I recently discovered another channel that I feel like is trying to do what you're talking about in this video by vod reviewing games at every Elo and talking about specific examples of wave state management and tempo which is the most helpful for a high bronze/low silver player like me
Props to you for making this video. I just watched your last video as it was in my recommended and I was "upset" with your last video for almost all you said here. Very good follow up video to recognize all the little things that were missed in the first. Well done!
Really glad you addressed this, because honestly that video was one of the last videos I watched from you in a long time. I felt like you completely undermined the complexity of all the nuance you were performing subconsciously and even though I didn't know everything you were doing, I knew there was way more to it. Really enjoyed this video.
You really nailed with this 3:11
Its almost impossible to isolate skills in this game. Yeah we have practice tool but few skills can be polished using it (buffer abilities with flash, jungle clears, weaving autos and abilities...) but still theres lot of things that only can be integrated on your musle memory by just playing games. The learning curve this game is infinite and thats one of the reasons lot of people stick to it.
Amazing reflection about coaching.
I saw the video he put up last year just moments before this one, and touched on these same points. I must say it is admirable that you are this self aware Curtis, must respect for your understanding and your desire to help people not just get better, but actually enjoy a game, that has a very steep learning curve especially for beginners, actually have fun. You a real one man! Cheers.
Bro, it's so awesome to see you growing as a coach, analyzing your own mistakes and learning from them, as well as digging deeper into your experiences to get to the real meat of the matter.
Inspiring stuff - and I also find the advice valuable, since I'm a silver player.
Thanks for another quality video Coach! Keep up the good work much love
We lowbies appreciate you Curtis. Your humility and focus on practical pedagogy in league is commendable. I've enjoyed watching your guides and have learned a lot. Keep up the good work!
Really nice to see this and your other vids on the topic. You hit the point clearly when you acknowledge the muscle memory and deep analysis that just becomes 2nd nature after 1000's of games
Amazing video, well done walking back a previous statement and showing your understanding of a new position. I learned quite a bit watching this as well, and now actually understand this concept, too!
Great VID Coach Curtis , I started to learn league better by OTP'ing, and the fact u said Learning Objectives make me so happy , so glad you are brining your wisdom to new elo's. Great Job.
I am thinking about getting back into league and watched your old Annie game yesterday (probably thanks to the algo thinking I needed it) , and let me tell you, as someone who has like 6000 hours split between mobas with a little over half being dota, I questioned your methodology... And I'm really glad to see this one today.
I don't know you or you content very well, but your intellectual honesty is refreshing to see.
It's funny I just watched your old video yesterday, then you post this today. Crazy. Good info thanks.
This was a good video especially the last part for a new player knowing how your 1 champion interacts with over 130 other champions can be overwhelming but is crucial for getting better
I love this!!! I’m so glad you decided to help!
Thanks. I was feeling like this for the last vid but I couldnt put it in words. Very well done!
I was literally thinking about the video last year, about how you said keeping it simple and being confused. Thanks for finally clarifying it is not as simple as it looks
Thank you for posting this video. I was watching the video you did before this one that you felt you had to correct, and I'm glad I came here to see this.
I'm 40...I'm far past my gaming prime, and recently have been actually trying to get good at league. I peaked at silver years ago, I stopped playing due to frustration with the process and info I was constantly getting, but am now trying to work my up starting from Iron. I always felt like the difficulty of this game was overlooked immensely. Nobody wants to admit that a video game like this can be hard, but in all the games I've played in my life, including stuff like high-end raiding in WoW and in the very early competitive CS scene, this is by far the most difficult game to master. The knowledge and muscle memory required is absolutely insane, really like playing an instrument is the closest thing I can liken it to. It's truly very difficult.
Thanks again for this video :)
This is the most in touch video I’ve ever seen in the league community. The amount of knowledge that’s packed into what players expect you to have as base knowledge is absurd. I’m so glad you were able to recognize this and package it into a video, especially given your credibility and status as someone like me - a gold player with no will to improve, just enjoys the game would never be taken seriously if I created this video.
Man, you are huge. I had to stop playing league a while ago due to not having available time anymore (just killing time on wild rift recently), but I still watch your content. You are a fantastic and professional coach and content creator. Keep on the amazing work!
I had a similar comment on that video (almost exactly that one you quoted?) and I genuinely appreciate your reflection on that. It shows how mature and how great a coach you are, trying to understand lower elo players' perspective.
"Champion mastery comes even before fundamentals" 100%.
Back when I commented on your video I was stuck in gold, now I'm still in low elo but slightly higher (high emerald) and what helped me improve was watching high-elo streamers discussing all matchups for my main. Understanding the matchups -- which ones I can win early lane into and which ones I cannot -- is almost the sole reason I climbed. Of course, that came in hand-in-hand with farming a little better and managing my wave a little better too. Couldn't do that when I 1v1'd the wrong champ at the wrong time and died level 2. Couldn't manage my wave either into certain matchups like heimer or irelia, until I watched high elo players handle annoying lanes.
Thank you for this vid, it's incredibly insightful.
Kudos for recognizing and acknowledging the mistake. It's nice to see you're actively learning how to teach better and reassess your process. Your points about champion-specific priorities make a lot of sense.
This is my first season and watching your content has helped quite a bit Thank you!!!
extremely well thought and well laid out arguments. It takes real courage to sit down, admit mistakes, and most importantly correct them. Thank you so much coach Curtis for years of quality content!
I just happened across the original video this is responding to and was thinking exactly this. Good deal realizing it. Massive respect and I'll definitely be looking at more of your content because of it.
I had never seen a video of yours, saw the one about the reddit post and didn't watch it since you had this video in a pinned comment. I am very impressed by the depth of analysis you have not only of league but of coaching and what people need. I have spoken a lot about mental capacity over the years, saying I understand what I need to do but doing it while trading and farming and watching the map doesn't feel possible. You are actually the first person I've ever seen bring up this subject. Legend.
Massive props for making this. I'm way late, but I discovered the first video last night and was listening with steam coming out of my ears because I'm a low-elo support Karma OTP (hundreds of games) who doesn't flash offensively without a clear advantage and goal and never dies (but also loses consistently more than winning). I still got benefit from the video, but yeah, my experience was different than that of the players you were addressing. I really appreciate you understanding how this topic can be tackled better and then tackling it! Thanks for making content for players like me.
Thank you for this, I always felt like there was some secret magic going on in that other vid and other coaches who had done similar things.
Incredible insight, Well done
What you brought up in this video explains why even when I take year+ long breaks from the game I can come back and climb up to plat pretty quickly. Despite taking such long breaks I still have well over 15,000 games played. I've played LoL on and off since it was in beta. So many mechanical things I have committed to muscle memory, I have new friends with game counts in the hundreds who struggle in silver and I really never sat and considered the massive difference of play time between us.
It was always just "oh it's so easy bro, just farm up and don't die, don't make silly mistakes", but there's a lot that goes into that.
I've never figured out what keeps me hard-stuck around mid/high plat but if I had to guess it's probably because every time I come back to play the game I usually don't stick around for more than 4-5 months, just enough time to climb, get a good feel for the meta and then quit and do it all over again.
I appreciate you making this video. I remember watching the old video when it came out and thinking it made sense. But I was hardstuck silver then and when I tried to apply that concept to my games it didn't go well. And looking back I know that it didn't go well because I couldn't play my champion or execute mechanically. Even if I got high cs and scaled I wasn't able to play teamfights effectively so all my gold from cs was pointless.
I only really started climbing once I started limit testing more and really learned how to use my abilities correctly. I started consistently winning lane and felt much stronger mechanically than most other players in silver. I could tell that these players did not really know what they were doing and it was easy to pressure them in lane and consistently get kills off of just starting fights. After developing my play this way, when I finally climbed to gold last split it felt easy.
I watched that video recently and am very glad to see u put an update to it... that annie gameplay was crazy
It's a really interesting conundrum in trying to find where your knowledge-base and the knowledge-base of your audience overlaps, it's probably the hardest part of communicating. Kudos for recognizing a weakness and addressing it.
I made a comment on your original video that touches upon the exact same thing - what you considered "simple" is actually tons of experience and muscle memory. It's great to see you address this even after a year now!
I would say everything up to high plat/low emerald (gold/plat pre rework) is just understanding League, i.e., all the champs, items, towers, minions, jungle camps, objectives etc. I think it's really nice that you as a coach only coach above a certain level. As you said, below a certain level of experience you simply get better by playing, regardless of coaching. It's really great you acknowledge that and do not prey on the money of these players!
I love the humble display of maturity in this video! New sub ❤
Absolutely great video man. That was exactly what I got out of Alois stuff. That noone of the fundamentals people preach on the net are useful to me if I don't know my champions limits to win lane. If I can win trades, I can then apply all I know to either grow my lead. Or not lose it. But if I just sit back and focus on not dying I'm simply giving up my entire sides prio. And simply hoping for a lucky team. Which isn't the way to go to climb at all. Learning how to play with and around jungle at all times, while also getting a lead/preparing on lane. Helped a ton
Thank you, I really thought you hadn't thought about it when you released that vídeo. This made a huge difference for me.
Your first video definitely helped make my climb as a returning player easier, but I understand the sentiment of this video. I was definitely helped by the more broader tips like letting the wave push into you and playing off mistakes and it made my climb super easy abusing that shurelyas veigar build. I think watching a variety of league content, even outside coaching, teaches you a lot about the game and emulating what you watch in your own games to really work it out goes a long way at least for me. If you want to really improve at anything, just watching and building familiarity is invaluable in your free time.
Your coaching videos are incredible.
I'd be extremely interested in getting a session if you coached toplane, but for now, I'll take the concepts that you speak about in your videos and try to apply them to my own game.
Massive props for making this
I was quite miffed with the original video
Really good video actually. I remember when I just started playing the game like 2 years ago, it was impossible to even look at the minimap, everything was so overwhelming. I had no idea what champs did, so I didn’t even know if I was safe to walk up or not in situations, if I should fight or not.
There is this idea all high Elo players say that “you’re in low Elo because of bad decision-making, not mechanics” without realizing how insane their mechanics are compared to low Elo players. It always pissed me off.
The only mainstream coach that views coaching as an art form, and approaches it with the care that that entails. Superb content as always.
I just loved this video, thanks for it.
And the point about understanding the champions before even fundamentals is awesome!
I remember that in the previous one I got into a discussion in the comment section saying that you still were using micro and knowledge subconsciously and that made huge differences in the gameplay and with that got flamed by others.
I watched the vid yesterday. I almost started replying to almost a year old comments because of people flaming you. They hated you because you spoke the truth!
Oh my God, so much respect to you man for realizing your mistake and, not just apologizing, but also explaining your updated view. May God bless you, Curtis.
I actually needed this, i started at the other video then saw your comment so came here. I've played since s1 off and on over the years, with about 7 of those years being an active player. I never broke out of silver - made it a game away from Gold 5 times. I hated that so much at one point that I developed a hatred of myself when I played ranked because I felt like the knowledge I acquired was useless since I didn't have the skill. But I just didn't look for the right knowledge. I played Dota for the other portion of those years and play both games now, made it to Crusader (gold) and again, crapped out 1 game away from Archon (plat) and then had a 10 game lose streak, in which I quit ranked - couldn't afford to feel that way about myself.
However! I did come back to league last year and play both league and Dota now and let me tell you, some fundamentals from Dota are immensely helpful in league (although I still try to block my minion wave mid and deny my own creeps - oops). I've been only playing normal in league at the moment (ranked is the only way you'll get your role in Dota) because I don't want to take it too seriously, but some of those normal games were gold/plat elo just because I was csing better and had a different perspective on minimap awareness and a ton of other little things that Dota took more advantage of. I took years off for my mental state to recover and its in a good spot now. I feel like even though I'm not really in my teens/gaming prime and am on the brink of the "old man" 30 mark - It really is fundamentals that are helping me improve. My mechanical skills were acquired over time through other means. I took fundamentals from Smite/Dota2 and implemented them in League because I never thought of them before. Dota taught me how to cs better than a training camp ever could since enemies can deny their own creeps (cutting your gold completely and denying a portion of xp) it forces you to pay attention to both your and their wave - even as a support(pos 4/5) denying your own wave and managing it via pulling jungle camps into the wave in order to bring it to your Pos 1(adc) or 3 (top)
Dota has pos 4 - a roaming support that sticks with the offlane (top laner in league) then rotates across the map primarily like a jungler - taught me how to think about map awareness and roaming.
I'm not saying this to go against the fundamentals section, actually to agree - because in Dota - i HAD to stick to learning a singular hero because if you try to counterpick all the time with Dota's insane amount of hero's with no set roles you will absolutely get wrecked, and I was a jack of all trades master of none player. The fundamentals came over time while I was learning Chen because he forced me into learning how to micro the creeps - and with no damaging abilities at the time - that was his only offense/defense. he had a .1% pick rate in most ELOs. I desperately wanted to learn him, and I lost more games in a row than I could count- now 200 games later my winrate with him is above 53% even thought my elo didnt change a ton - I still got way better at the game and was able to transfer those skills to other Dota heroes and eventually to league.
The fundamentals were absolutely a benefit that I grabbed - but it REQUIRED the understanding of a singular champion in order to maintain them.
This is such a great re-examination. I was aware of these concepts from teaching and coaching other topics and it's great to see a League coach recognize it and self correct instead of just clickbaiting like some coaches.
Great self awareness and honesty, thanks :)
great video! As I was pulled into playing League a few years ago yet lacked any video game experience before I really struggle to this day with this game as great as it is. I mean the complexity of League could be compared to 5D chess or something crazy like that. But it really is the mastery of that complexity that makes the game fun to play!
I’m glad you pointed out how important understanding what each champ does is. When I started playing in 2017, this was my biggest problem. I ended up maining jungle because you rarely interact with the other jungler in low elo, so I didn’t need to know how match ups played out, who wins fights, etc., which gave me a bit more breathing room to learn the basics.
I’m still silver though, largely because I don’t have the drive to reach for gold/plat. I’m perfectly fine making mistakes in my game, so long as the people I’m playing with also make those mistakes.
Respect for owning up to your mistakes and learning from it. Setting a solid example for the students :)
I am going to be honest, i was interested in your coaching before but this video just made me settle to go and get a session with you whenever it is available. Great respect.
This is the first piece of your content I’ve seen. This is great content. Subbing and hitting that bell, gotta look forward to more in the future!
Takes a real man to go back and address their mistakes / bad info. Great video
As a player that tried PC lol coming from mobile i can actually say your points are very valid. Almost all games i played (which are not many by any means) went awfully just because i would not understand how other champions i was facing worked and what the items did. Also the keyboard and mouse are a big trouble for me but i guess all of this i just mentioned comes as you said with time and practice. Understanding higher concepts made me hold a bit more of an advantage to gap my mechanical and overall knowledge disadvantage but i for sure know that if i sat down everyday to play a game i would at least be around gold by now if not higher but i don't want to think like i could because if i learned something in years of gaming online is that ego is, by far, the bisggest thing preventing your progress.
Someone managed to articulate the issue correctly. Good job and thank you.
7:59 , this!! I was playing league from beta to season 5 on a top tier level. My fundamentals are still great, been playing other MOBAs for years. But I don't have fresh muscle memory, I don't know what some champions do, how to efficiently lane with or versus them and I'm struggling in high plat.
A lot of people that want to improve in this game (or any game), feel like there needs to be some secret to climbing. There isn't really. Yes, you need to know some techniques and strategies but it really comes down to how much time you put in to the game. When you play 200th game in the same lane matchup, you will do so much better than when you played it the fifth time.
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Curtis, this is really good catch on your part. I believe that every high level coach should watch this video
So essentially, there is no "one concept works for all" when it comes to climbing. There are tons of things. However, If one thing _had_ to be the highest in priority, it would be "champion understanding" not just of what you play, but of what you're up against too.
This is a great introspective (retrospective also?) video that I really appreciate.
love this video, I've been hoping someone would say something about the importance of actually piloting the champion in lower skill brackets for so long and it's so refreshing to hear you say it
I had an adc coach one time. I was low gold at the time. And he actually went 5 vods I had and was shocked at the amount of PVP that was happening. And he told me of fundamentals I could improve on and then instantly just ways to PVP better. (Trading/mid-late team fighting)
As someone who plays all roles outside of jungle. Has been in the MLA and had random coaches. Max rank been d4 currently e4.
Each rank is different. Many higher elos say they are all the same but I don't think so. Different things are more important in these divisions! Adaptation is key.
Off ramble - coach Curtis content is one of best content I've ever seen of this game. I super hope to be back in the MLA sometime soon again and the content doesn't stop coming.
Thanks for taking the time!
This video hits on all the points I believed was the problem with coaching off of the few coach videos I've seen around. It's more about identifying problems both in detailed mechanics and even more importantly in general thought process. Because once you get the thought process down you can more easily pick up those good habits and intuition of how to play the game.
Love the vid, climbed to diamond from gold because I learned Orianna (using your old 3 year old video that still somewhat holds up). Thanks for the content!
thank you for your maturity, and putting the interests of others first.
Great mentality, Coach Curtis. Definitely an example for other coaches to follow.
Being self aware of all the little things that we do as veteran players ( experience players who have years in the game) important. I loved your out look on this topic.
well done for making this video. everything you said here was pretty much what i thought was wrong with the original video. respectable self-evaluation
After having watched the previous video, I felt pretty much how you described (thinking this guy doesn't even know how good he really is vs the average player in this Elo). As someone who teaches other people for a living (I teach people how to drive) learning how to communicate and break things down to the base level varies greatly from student to student. What I have noticed going back and forth is that most people assume things like "CS Better" is the root skill to learn but really that is a second-tier interpretation/overarching skill group.
For example, When I teach someone to drive forward and then switch them to reverse, I remove the terms "left and right" from my vocabulary when talking about steering. That is actually second-tier knowledge and ends up confusing more than helping. The direction you turn the steering wheel is opposite of what you are visually seeing when turned around looking out the back window. Instead, you switch the wording to something along the lines of "steer in the direction you want the car to go." Learning to correctly communicate what you want to convey so that it is retained is the real fundamental skill.
You have cracked the code Coach. Keep it up!
Lmao, I JUST made a comment on your Playing in Bronze video that said basically the same thing as your last point here, then UA-cam recommended me this video. Huge respect for admitting your mistakes and explaining it out in detail like this.
Massive respect on how you reacted to the critique. This is how creators should handle this, literally everyone is on your side now. Well done.
great Video!!
in addition to the points you mention I want to talk about one thing that is even more important in my understanding: Fun! the best learning experience is when I am having fun. And it is not fun to “learn how to farm better” or anything like that. I want to learn how to do Riven Animation cancels, I want to learn how to do flashy mechanical outplays, I want to learn how to place seaky wards etc. Not because it will improve my gameplay the fastest, but because it is super satisfying to learn and to see my improvement.
That was actually the last video of yours that I watched. And I quit league within a month because I felt “it’s so simple, I’m just dumb.”
My mental had changed though and I appreciate this video!
There are many things that are hard to grasp for players like me. I often forget that my opponent is another player trying to win. My eyes gloss over and I’m just enjoying my champ.
Intensity has changed everything for me.
Hopefully I hit gold for the first time in 9 seasons 😅
Love your content. Keep it up!
I love this video, I fully agree! I have been playing jungle for a long time one focusing on the map movments and such. Every time I did a misstake with my champion I said to my self that it did not matter since I was in the right place at the right time. Now I belive that the main thing holding me back is champion mastery and are now focusing on improving that
So I just left a comment on the video that this guy is making this video about; its amazing that he made such a turn around. He spent time teaching and learning from these people he made a bad take on; and he realized it and came to fix that mistake. Coach Curtis; well done; thank you for the content and the humility. Great work
wow we love to see someone eat some humble pie while still offering amazing advice. the best coaches learn from their students
I just discovered your videos randomly, and what you said in that video was what I felt when looking at the previous. I totally agree with what you said, and two points in particular:
- Mastering your champion is more important than mastering fundamentals
It's really true and at school my group made a project in which we wanted to predict win or lose in a LoL game based only on state at min 0 (meaning who are the players and what champ they play). It turned out that at any elo the most important factor to winning the game was the skill of a player on the specific champion they are playing, by far. The second factor of success was its rank in the ladder, but in the end it was almost useless.
(For people interested, we managed to predict the right outcome of the game 69% of the times)
- Underestimating the difficulty of the game
I think anyone who has a friend who recently started League will agree with that, because when you start a game with them, it's obvious that Iron 4 players would crush them 100% of the times, especially people who never played MOBAs or video games. There are so many things in League of Legends to understand and do instinctively that we only realise we are doing it when we see people NOT doing it. The game is hard, and as you said, you may spend 10k hours in it, you could still end up platinum, and that would already be good.
Appreciated the content.
This is so SPOT ON! I've been playing League since like season 3 and through the seasons I almost never did a proper "learning" like actually trying to master wave management or watching some guides, tutorials. I gained the skill gradually over thousands of games that stored into my muscle memory and intuition. Only when I reached gold I started watching LCS and other pro players to learn from them & it helped. But I agree with Curtis here, the most crucial aspect is mastering your champion & understand other champions as well.
It's always good to be able to review your own work.
I usually do not comment on videos but for the first time I saw a LOL video where someone really took the time and taught about it before doing a video. I saw the first video and in the end of this video where you said that you did many things because muscle memory I remember exactly a play you did on lux where you placed a ward and stay in the bush to kill her when she comes to break the ward.. I remember noticing that your position inside of the bush was exactly perfect to don't be revealed by the swiper while lux break the ward, you positioned the ward a little ahead and stay a little behind just enough to have range and don't be revealed.. this is the exact example of muscle memory that a low elo player would never do. So congrats for this video, for the first time I see a really good one and I hope this conclusion helps you to be a better coach!
Bro this video adressed something i''ve thought too and its good that you adressed the things you were wrong about.
Mucho texto incoming:
I have played this game from the depts of bronze 4 all the way to mid platinum over several (7-8) years and the average player has gotten so much better than it was in previous seasons.
i made a second account to start ranking fresh and placed silver 2 because practically i rank there everytime im drunk and chilling in vc with friends.
Here's a list of the things i've seen plyaers in silver 1- Gold 4-3 do (mainly from the toplaner/jungler POV)
Mantain a freeze for over 5 waves and denying xp.
Toplaners zoning xp from the first 3 levels.
Players doing the classic slowpush into dive with a jungler and denying the enemy 2-3 or more waves.
THIS ONE impressed me the most: A support roaming top at lvl 5 and freezing 2 waves crashing, something that allowed their struggling toplaner come back and stomp the enemy laner.
An adc kiting the fed enemy darius so good that he rage quitted and thus they won the game because he was the win con.
The average/gold players arent really people playing brainless all the time (there are some exceptions of course, i've seen people who you would be impressed to know they managed to get plat 3).
Although a good percentage of the people ranking they are playing on auto mode (but doing an average performance in farming, trading and tracking the enemies jungler + cooldowns is already pretty dificult enough, especially with all the new bs champs riot makes)
People tend to "dickride" the high elo streamers they see and pretend they're high elo themselves. When in reality if youre past mid platinum you're already in the top 10-15% of players in your server.
Sorry for the wall of text and the possible errors, i'm an ESL.
thanks for the video, thanks for humble, healthy, honest thoughts
Thx!! Rly loved this vid I have basically no gaming background and I was feeling kinda bad BC I'm like bronze 4, and started the split at iron (though I was bronze before), and the thing is I'm almost lvl 200, and that feels like a rly low rank for that lvl, but to be fair I've switched between ADC, jng and Shen top. This vid got me motivated to try and master Shen and start from there, thx again!
You are such a nice person and your videos never disappoint. Keep going!
I used to have trouble in bronze when I first play there. Now the biggest struggle would be staying in it!
I am a Silver player, I have played the game on and off with friends since season 4. I personally think your previous video has fantastic information in it, but I can understand how it could be missed (give the points you make in this video). Like you mention, the many years I have played league allow me to infer things subconsciously that a newer player to the game might not be able to. I'm glad you are bringing up the issues you do in this video.
I just came from the fist video and you hit the nail on the head. I was thinking the whole time watching the first video that you are a person with years worth of experience and totally see instantly when they over stepped and how to punish them. All of the movement and understanding of what could happen helped you in a way most new players don't even understand. Great follow up video. I suck at the game and tilt easy. The people in this game are the worst lol. I played a game last night where a raka and I owned the lane. But she got so tilted about what was going on in other lanes that she sat in base and typed for the rest of the game. Such a big lead was tossed simply because she could not keep it together and hit her buttons. She found it more enjoyable to tell everyone what they were doing wrong than simply play the game. Our top lost hard but I think we would have won if she simply kept her sanity. That is the biggest factor for me. After games like that my mental starts to break down thinking that another troll is going to just ruin the next game as well. Neace is correct when the first thing he tells most clients is to just turn chat off and ignore the trolls lol.
Hey Coach Curtis, I'm loving the philosophy here for teaching people relevant and efficient skills. I've done some learning methodology work and I think I have a good trial for you to remake a video about playing in bronze.
Pick your least played position, then your least played champion in that position. This will set you much closer in personal champion knowledge (can't do much about your total knowledge), and will show players how to win without relying on muscle memory. Playing without flash will also help reduce your skill advantage as flash is the most mechanically complex summoner spell.
Putting yourself in high risk positions early (lvl 1 invades, roaming, kill chasing) will also help showcase the general knowledge of League trumping the fundamentals on laning/jungling. Ideally there would be a way to completely remove your mechanical advantages, but minor things like increasing your ping (I usually notice 18-25ms on your vids) to around 50ms or playing tired (ie playing after your job, not as your job) to slow down your subconscious reaction times will mimic the behaviors of average players more closely.
I say this as someone who has played for 10 years and just hit Platinum a week ago with a high pressure (yes that's code for 1.0 kda) jungle playstyle, because even though pressure could be considered a fundamental, there isn't a script that can execute perfect pressure. CSing, spacing, timing, wave management are all predictable and scriptable actions, as in there is a sequence of actions that is near optimal every game, but pressure is dynamic and responsive to 10 different players making deviations from their "fundamental" scripts. Playing purely as a force that acted in opposition to my opponents helped me learn so much about how to deny resources from the enemy and close games.