I Played In Bronze To Prove A Point To Reddit
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- 00:00 - 09:29 // Reacting To The Reddit Post
09:29 - 32:50 // Bronze 1 Annie game vs. Veigar
32:50 - 49:32 // Bronze 1 Annie game vs. Yasuo
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I was wrong about this video, here is my response : ua-cam.com/video/5BdNS6YdgvQ/v-deo.html
This first game that you're playing Annie is cherry picking. Objective plays are made all the time in low ELO. You are wildly off base if you think low ELO is that mindless. There are many many people in low ELO that don't play the way you're talking about, that do what you do, and are hardstuck.
You also never directly answered the question on why Neace had difficulty in bronze games. The truth of the matter is that inters and feeders impact the game more than good players. Inters and feeders are the ones that allow the enemy team to capitalize on mistakes.
You talk about identities then balk at an assassin roaming when assassins farm champs because that's how they're designed. You refuse to understand that an assassin gank is a game fundamental. Champs that get kills don't have to CS. They certainly can play like that in low ELO and are often rewarded for it by getting fed and leveraging their lead to a win.
You say you didn't plan anything, but you clearly intended in the play style by choosing Annie who can point and click with hard cc, not a skill shot.
@@joshuacox5817 Copium
@@TeriiTeri you have no argument
your the coping one@@TeriiTeri
@@joshuacox5817 If inters and feeders matters more than skilled play, you should never be stuck if you are not an inter or feeder yourself. The opposite team have 5 slots they can get an inter or feeder in, whilst your team only has 4. I was stuck in this mindset 12 years ago too and was in bronze. When I got out of that mindset and looked at myself instead, I got up to diamond relatively fast.
I still have friends who are silvers or golds, and they make a lot of fairly obvious basic fundamental mistakes all the time compared to someone in high play, emerald or diamond.
The veigar staying in lane with zero mana is definitely demonstrating his masterful understanding of the league fundamentals
But my cannon!
@Yhorm ad soraka top new meta trust
zero mana - runs bot - gets 2 assists
el classico specialarino
@@FerisSalvo i did a pentakill with soraka jungle , no shit about her.
moving blind into jungle on his way botlane ,with no mana against ww jungle+ facechecking every bush on his way was even better...
The mistake the post is making, is not recognising that focus on fundamentals is not for winning every game, It's for raising your level of consistency, winning the same-ish ways, and losing on one-off scenarios, which don't matter.
Also Chill Neace is him playing champs he never plays and trying chat builds lmao
@@jett3447 Yeah, if he was playing optimal on meta picks he wouldn't have any struggle. Fundamentals let you win games much more consistently than anything else. Being a mechanical god doesn't get you anywhere if you are always in the wrong place.
i mean even then he should be able to do it ok, im silver-gold and when i play norms (like from unranked - plats usually a mix), i can play things like ap naut mid and do ok. Like those hardcore smurfers like pants are dragon, zwag etc. can always hard carry with the troll builds at like bronze-silver elo.
I do agree that low elo players do have better fundamentals than people think but no where near the lvl that OP was talking about. But low elo people truthfully cant cs, i constantly out cs the opponent 10-20cs while playing ranged vs ranged and often have similar cs while playing melee vs ranged. They do have fundamentals but its inconsistent at best.
@@jett3447 He plays off-meta builds that he feels will work or be fun once, then he spams the OTP build until he wins.
His issue is he doesn't realise that you can spam noobies 20 times and tell them in detail what you want them to do, but they will presume you too are a noobie and are making a bad play.
He gets mad that they don't follow him into plays or his team is bad, but the reality is he's acting as if his team is Diamond when he should be playing fundamentals like CS and not trying to force the team to make plays. They will constantly force plays, you just have to join in to swing the numbers advantage to get a chance to win.
@@dustyacer in general I think he is doing pretty okay with troll builds and first timing champs. If we take in consideration that Zwag and Pants are Dragon are also playing multiple games to get a „youtuber“ where they can show a win, I think NEACE is doing alright.
Pants often using norms with his Squad (Yumi incomming^^) to create content. Which is absolutely fine and fun to watch. But does differ from Chill NEACE.
Also, the mates are some games just tragecly bad or having a bad day. Summed up: first timing, chat/troll builds with no premades and low elo teammates is a pain in the *** 😅🙈
My favorite part of that first game was watching that Warwick make mistake after mistake only for him to ALWAYS ping "?" at everyone else 😂
Err technically his ping is right. Because at that elo, fun games is play in the form of Power Rangers
--> you see enemy --> Ping --> walks up --> Rumble Arena! --> then both sides keep adding people until 1 side collapse just like tv show.
It's a concept that you can easily observe IRL as well: the dumbest people are also always gonna be the loudest.
Typical low skilled players XD they blame scripters, boosters, smurfs, teammates, internet, fps, Jesus christ XD they are unable to admit they fucked up, or more common they cant understand their mistakes. Cant make distinction between good play gone wrong and bad play gone good XD they only search for S tier meta champs and best build and try to replicate it. And u and up with ur top going full armor vs 100%AP enemy team blaming u for his death while u are on oposite part of the map and he is diving 2 enemy under tower
I can understand his frustration. The first game completely defeats the point of this entire video. He even says "imagine if I had competent players in top and bot" as if that isn't the entire problem to begin with. Teams need to have equal level players and it's the primary problem with climbing in low elo, it makes it overly frustrating. If the game had proper matchmaking, he would have won that game.
@@MMMHOTCHEEZE I'd agree (Not having watched his video talking about how he was wrong here yet (Edit, it does at least touch on some of this)), but largely on the basis of the fact that he even acknowledges that he is at fault for several of those as a result of his incredibly passive playstyle repeatedly giving no prio; in a lot of ways he made this game a living hell for his jungler (As permanently having no midlane priority SUCKS) by essentially playing the autopilot CSing style. Yes, you'll get a good KDA, but you lost. As someone who coached tournament teams in FPS titles like TF2 and Overwatch, saying "This strategy was correct because I have a high KDA even though I lost" is anathema to any of the lessons I would want to present. If you have a strategy that has an extremely high net benefit for your team which results in your KDA being absolute dumpster tier, I will recommend dumpstering your personal stats for the more important win% stats any moment of any day of the week.
Essentially, this strategy proves the idea that you can catch people out on mistakes in low ELO, which sure, that's part of the point of the video. But it fails to prove the other part, which is that "Using this strategy will get you to improve", because it fails to identify any kind of goal outside of "Get kills lmao"
Many of the picks that he gets here aren't with any kind of tempo to take anything back; the intentionally pure reactive play means that the player that is getting the biggest lead for themselves on the team is acting as area denial rather than pressure, which defangs the team as a whole. If he wanted to do a passive and reactive style, he needs to identify better goals than "Get high KDA", since his wincondition with his personal restrictions that game would have been to bring the top and botlanes back into the game and, yes, to make macro calls, or at LEAST to indicate your intentional sacrifice of lane priority to avoid baiting your jungler.
(This is not to say WW was right and wasn't delusional half the time, but there were absolutely situations early on especially where he was completely justified in being frustrated with Curtis specifically)
(Edit: not to mention that 2 games at a 50% W/L "proves" nothing with respect to climb potential; you've indicated (not proven) potential for stability at best)
this gameplay makes me realize mistakes that i was doing in midlane and also to chill out a bit when it comes to play league in general, im really trying to do to much when in reality its not that neccesary in my elo because i was ending like the yasuo but i didnt know why. thank you so much for the tips and the gameplay!
The duality of Bronze.
WW dies in River: 'My teams hot trash'
Seraphine dies in a lvl1 invade: 'Sorry annie'
What a coincidence that the game with the rager ends in a loss, and the game with calm players is a relatively easy win.
Still the same experience in gold 1 lol.
Ragers just guarantees losses, trying to keep people calm and focusing on the game means more recovered games. Even winning enemy teams have ragers that sabotage them.
@@Neovipa Bro, you act as if warwick raging somehow is the reason everyone on the other team were better players lmao. Stop being such a soft snowflake
@@flayrekapperz7862 Or, just or, you disable both chats in settings and communicate through pings. Trying to be your team's therapist every game is only going to tilt you but more importantly distract you from your own play and goals. Having chat on is a bait. The only communication you need in league is smart usage of pings as Neace shows all the time in his coaching. Brain washing your team into plays with multiple pings.
@@YuYuYuna_ what you say is viable, but you don't consider the nice guys out there. I just made a friend who was from another country, a real nice guy and a good player ( at least in my elo)
So yeah, by having chat on you may have to be your teams therapist in 30% of your games
But you will also play better when you make a mistake and your team mates tell you it's ok;)
I've noticed this too.. when the enemy team is winning, they almost always become more reckless and carefree.. but the problem is, your team also becomes flustered and unnecessarily reckless too, so they lose anyway. However, in those rare instances where your team realizes they've fallen behind and start playing super-defensively and play off of the opponent's misplays - you can end up making great comebacks.
Absolutely….recklessness is the number one killer To climb than anything I have ever seen. Sure you get the occasional flamer/inter, but dang. When your team starts to fall behind, most players start face checking every bush, running blindly into dark jungles, picking fights with players that have 10 kills over them. I mean, the list goes on. Any chance or hope of coming back is crushed by the anyone trying to fight 24/7 in hopes of getting lucky. There are sooooooooo many games where everyone, and I mean everyone has a 7/10/6 kda. It’s painful. Nobody has a cool head
What i've noticed is that when you get a lead or carry your team early, the ennemy team feels the need to put their ego away to play accordingly and focus on countering you. When they do, they are trained for the rest of the game whereas your team have learned nothing from being carried. Maybe if we could study this phenomenon and find a way to act on it, we could master some new level
@@Fragor100 While I always feel some sort of urgency to close the game asap if we have a midgame lead lol. My favorite thing to do is suicide dive turrets. Trading turrets for deaths, ofc that's only when I'm not the carry (which I rarely am)
In ALL aspects of life if people maintained a level of calm in even the most intense situations they would produce much better results.
@@glennmayer469 Agreed. This is why in situations of emergencies people are instructed to remain calm, since panicking and running around would make it worse.
I haven't played league in over 5 years but watched this from start to finish. Even for someone who hasn't played in so long it was so easy to follow, great video sir :)
i haven't played in over 10 years and it's completely insane seeing how people play it now and are really into it haha I remember I was 1900-2000 elo in season 1 and still saw games where you'd all play aoe ult champions or global ults, or all pulls like blitz or alistair just to make it fun
I haven't played league for years too but I enjoy any demonstration of fundamentals destroying low level players. Just universal among all games.
@@planetary-rendez-vousespecially chess
How to reassess your chess by silman is the gold standard for fundamentals first approach that can take you to 2000 elo OTB (comparable to master tier in league)
im at 10 yrs myself feelsold.
i also havent played in 5 years..... its an ok vid, he did PROVE the complaint
he was 17-2 AND LOST
Recently got back into league, got out of bronze(took some time) and am making my way through silver. In no position to tell anyone else what to do but my biggest learning lesson so far has been to control the greed, and pay attention to where enemy mud/jg are as often as possible. Do not go for that minion, you lose this trade. Don’t go for that plate, you don’t know where jg is. Stuff like that avoids a lot of deaths and inevitably wins games. Losing by 20-30 cs in bronze is not the end of the world.
i swear on everything, contesting control wards in that top river bush is the most likely int i did in silver/gold and it genuinely threw some games for me lol
sometimes its fine to flip stuff, for example if you need 100g for a big powerspike and you dont know where enemy jg is it may be fine to go for plating or next wave, sometimes it is even fine to lose tempo and stay longer on lane, but this is where skill shows.
"no. u dont get a plate. u get ganked." -jg
all u gotta do to climb is teach yourself how to take accountability and responsibility for your actions
The greed in bronze is good you learn much faster, and understand how to punish mistakes
Games like that first one feel incredibly demoralizing to lose. Can't tell you how many times I've been there, 20+ kills keeping an almost hopeless game incredibly close only to have one bad death late like you did and lose the game off it. But I'm playing ADC and in my own elo so it happens much more frequently, pair this with +11 -18 LP gain/loss and I need much much more than a 52% W/R to climb and it feels increasingly awful to try and climb. But both you and Neace did a great job in responding to that reddit post.
Hey Rav, adc is probably the hardest role to win on in low elo as no one defends them. I like picking mages to compensate for that, Ziggs and Veigar. I can stay far away and get my damage out fast
@@plotius4973 I think you're missing the point. He likes marksmen and wants to play them. Why would he play a mage instead of an adc? Just to climb? Not everyone is a meta slave
These kind of games are only demoralizing if you got the "wrong" attitude!
You should approach a game like this with a mentality similar to this one: "I did my best, I did great, this one was unwinnable but I destroyed them anyways. In short: It should be easy for me to climb elo from here on, I'm just better!".
A game like that one (if it was yours) should actually encourage you to keep going since you know that you will progress and get higher in a bit.
Yes there may be streaks of bad luck (I once had a 13loss streak with good performance in about 11 of them (it got to me aswell) at the start of the season, where games actually matter more), those can get to you. But as long as you make yourself realize that that's just a temporariy issue and that you'll get (back) to where you belong, then it doesn't matter and you can enjoy these games aswell.
And that's really what it is all about! Enjoy the games, enjoy every single outplay you do. With this kind of mentality you might even enjoy playing lower elo games more sometimes, simply because you can see how much better you are. Don't focus on your current elo too much. It doesn't matter. What matters is that you try to improve and enjoy the game. That's the easiest way to climb, trust me!
Wow that is one horrible MMR
Then the team types "wow, 20 kills and you can't even carry." 😤
As a low elo player, seeing a smurf break apart bad low elo habits, while using simple concepts, is actually very informative. I think more people should try teaching this way, it’s almost akin to a teacher going through the problems on a test and you see how they tackle the issues you had.
You should try to watch skill capped videos, they usually focus on how to apply fundamentals and punish mistakes and it's really informative
@@whosemanisthis6246 They are presented in a really condescending way a lot of the time which can get discouraging
@@batcrow6224 Nah, I personally think it’s a minor thing and don’t even notice it, I have watch enough guides (even the ones that is deliberately condescending) to not bother about such things. When watching guides your mindset should be to learn not to be offended.And the most important thing is to enjoy.
@@evelynfarfellwooosh1219 I only really noticed it after sending a video on wave management from skillcapped to a friend and them pointing it out. I still like some of their content but usually recommend lol analyst or phroxzon if I want to help someone else learn
Yep i have been following those tutorials on akali went from brons 3 to silver 2 in 2 weeks
The one thing that frustrates me about certain coaches is when you have a good habit that’s more high elo and they tell you not to worry about it. Like I cheat towards vision all the time. Not to the detriment of my farm or wave, but enough to not die to ganks pretty much ever. I’ve been told to not bother until I’m plat. That feels absurd. I don’t need to learn how to play in silver, I need to learn enough to get out of silver.
Play more, learn good habits. All you can do.
However, there is a caveat to this. Winning in silver isn't done the same as winning in diamond.
In diamond, you can win by being an excellent support to your teammates or knowing intricacies to stay ahead. In silver, you're more trying to actively snowball or prevent the enemy snowball.
Because higher elo junglers path way differently and manipulate vision in ways that lower elo players don't. And the wards you always put in Silver might have little to no effect in for example Diamond. It's good advice for you because you need to focus on other things that are way more important in your elo. And if you try to do too much at once you might do everything just okay and nothing really well. Thats the idea behind it.
Have you considered that maybe they are right and your habit isn't high elo at all?
@@sliceout9040i feel like you need to learn both
I had watched (and "liked", which is rare) this video last year already, but hey, this really is great content. I just watched it entirely again!
I reached Diamond in 2014 by being very proactive; I *had to* win my lane to get my mates' confidence so I could then carry by leading the team. Now, I'm rusty from my many breaks and not invested in the game that much, so it's harder to shine by myself. I don't wanna grind, so I grab the Gold rewards and stop there. I still feel the pressure, however! Your video reminded me I could play slower, and it's going to relieve some pressure on me when I don't get a lead in early or can't snowball from it. I'll have a way more serene approach from the start. Thank you!
diamond in 2014 is like gold now
@167 I reached top 1.1% being D4 when D5 existed. Today's D4 is top 4.7%; it's nothing close to your pitiful comparison.
"good job malphy" in the annie game made my day 100% better
"oh i'm a nice guy, an innocent guy trying to get my blue" this is meeee
AlephNull94 (Seraphine) : fuck I turn myself on
Yung Weezy (Annie) : nice seraphine ult mate
Dog Australians are so fucking funny 😂
Meanwhile the jungler stands besides you to watch the blue horribly die by your hands while thinking "Wasn't that supposed to be mine? I mean its kinda my first/second reset! ?_? ... I already bonded with it too!".
Hearing Curtis's commentary throughout this was hilarious
"Ulti worth it?"
"Sure was buddy" 🤣
300 gold or not? The decision is pretty easy there.
At least if she said «ulti overkill » it would have been a bit more logic but still not that much
On Annie no less. The CD at that point is less than a min. 300 gold for a less than min cooldown. Yes please.
That's the problem with supports, they act like they're not worth 300g.
I don't think we knew for sure whether she had flash or not, but if she didn't then she would have died to the next Q spell that was coming back a second later, so it technically was overkill but a better play because there's no "if"
I played this game for almost 9 years. Sometimes I feel nostalgic to it, and this video was almost gettng me to download the game and try again on a new account. But as soon as I saw ww say "gg" the first time, the ptsd kicked in. AIN'T NO WAY IN HELL IM GOING BACK TO THIS GAME
@pinkiepie7742 you have fun by ruining other people experience? Even if it's earned you aren't better for that lol. Just go play single player games and ruin the npcs day bro....
Man, 9 years and you didn't learn to mute them all?
@@pinkiepie7742average league player being more toxic then their toxic teammate
@@pinkiepie7742 delete the game already instead of being stupid
hey smooth brains he's talking about the major amount of losers in bronze that want to throw after the first death.
Great teaching vod! Think this is a really solid example of some of the differences between "they all know all the fundimentals" and "they have some concept of the fundimentals".
Although I do agree that fundimentals can get you to plat, I can guarentee that isn't the worst the game could go. Half of games in that state at 10 mins between one and three of your team should be afk, following you around to leech xp, or running it down to end the game faster.
From my experience in the cesspools of Silver and Gold, flaming is the number one cause of losses. A perfectly normal game can just snowball out of control because someone simply exists or stole like one caster minion from lane. Then insults are flung around like crap at a petting zoo until someone quits or gives up.
I had an ultimate spell book game the other day when I, as a support who’d just been playing a shitload of ADC games, accidentally took 1 CS from a Kai’sa in the first 5 mins. She decided she was the midlaner from that point and proceeded to flame everyone for the rest of the game while playing like total crap. Pain.
Yep, number 1 thing low elos is the insane amount of throws over the pettiest shit. Disabling chat is an actual advantage there.
@@av8r195 yeah. Actual hell server.
i literally had our jg run it down mid because our support accidentally stole scuttle with effect dmg. this was literally 3 mins into game
"/mute all" makes LoL a much more enjoyable experience
Sorry for the long comment, but I feel that I can add to the video! There is always something you have to remember in video games. This is something that causes people to misrepresent (and more importantly misunderstand) their skill level in any video game, not just league. This quote is perfect, my cousin told me one time a rust streamer said it. "If you can't recognize bad players, you're the bad player"
The context on why the rust player said it and what he means by it ---- His twitch chat / youtube comments were saying that they never get these "free kills" like he does. They don't get free raids or streamer luck or get to win easy fights like him.
League of legends or any other competitive game is like this. I am 25 years old struggling with carpal tunnel, I quit playing for 5 months last year. I used to only play 1 champion. Despite some struggles, I still always hit diamond since I first got it back in 2015. I finished diamond 2 last season, currently D3 without even playing a ton of ranked games this year. This is NOT to brag, because ultimately it does not matter what your skill level is in this video game. It's just a game. It doesn't define your worth as a person, your character, or anything about you as a human being. The point I am trying to make is that the skills, knowledge, game sense, and decision making that I needed to learn to achieve diamond for the FIRST time, are still applicable today. I have not forgot them.
I set myself a challenge 2 months ago to see what happens in the new "smurf queue" that we have. I had not smurfed in several years, and I heard it was difficult to climb. While playing in smurf queue, against people who were clearly not even iron or bronze, I was still able to win 17 in a row at some point. The difference in skill level between D2/D1 MMR (which is where I have been for about 4 years now) and Iron-Diamond 4 is incredibly high. That doesn't mean you are guaranteed to win every game guys, it just means that if you were actually that skill level, over time you will climb.
This was a good video, I liked that you handicapped yourself. There were so many opportunities to trade with veigar, shove him out of lane, punish him for sitting on no mana. You could have even taken cleanse, played forward, moved around, and helped top lane. But you didn't, and still were able to perform. Well done Curtis, cheers.
Love your content
If you play less you will climb faster
@@atmajazone Only true in csgo
happy for u. or sorry that happened
When i call somebody bad and advice them to not play the game and play something else
Im met automatically with 'you are toxic' or 'i play for fun'
To the last one i reply 'do you enjoy losing'
I think these games actually show a very interesting thing, being that not dying is key to good performance. You didn't stomp lane in either game, but you had a massive impact on the game because you didn't actually die that much. Sure, you didn't really carry any game to a victory but the mindset of "I shouldn't die" goes a long way to improving performance in games. You never really tried any unnecessarily risky plays, you didn't greed for CS, you didn't take trades that didn't favor you, except a few free hits in order to prove a point, and you still performed very good. I doubt a bronze Annie can queue and do this well just by not dying, but focusing on not dying is a massive leap because it lets you play the game more instead of spending half the game staring at a grayscale screen.
I mean, having challenger positioning, damage understanding, plus map awareness is what consistenly gives him the edge to find kills. Without that just staying passive is useless.
Just doing nothing, not dying and just farm to get 500g gold advantage by farming is not going to win you games.
Is just a challenger player not using mechanics, still he is doing all the other things 10x times better than people in that elo. A silver player that focus on improving his farming and consistenly getting 20 CSs(400 gold maybe) leads on his opponents is not getting out of silver.
@@sergeistalin7916bro just punish mistakes that what he means. Don't play always passive but in league if you know what you're doing you will play correctly. But since you're a monkey who doesn't know your champion's limits, just try to cs perfectly and know when to punish your opponent if hens extremely out of position. And that's so fucking easy to do. If you're silver in 2023 you must be playing for fun cuz otherwise you suck ass
Well there are many things to learn simply from not dying. You distinguish way better when you're putting yourself at risk and why. You ensure you're scaling and staying relevant.
*However* I think it is important to keep in mind that some deaths are smart and valuable. There are extreme yet relevant examples out there (hello Thebausffs), but everyday, supports die to protect their adc, proxy Singed players run to get executed, Sion players die to shove, push and sometimes kill, Karthus players to get their maximum damage output... and also strategically : building a big wave and tradekilling the opponent under his tower so he loses it. Tl;dr : death is often bad, but it also is a powerful tool.
@@sergeistalin7916 If you consistenly farm better than your opponents you will climb
@@Telados A ruby cristal worth of gold is not going to win you games if you are not using it.
This idea is just teaching players that the point of the game is farming, and not to use that advantage to win.
To get better a player needs to know what he should be doing and why. Then he can start working in getting more resources to make his job easier.
This was absolutely incredible. Really happy I stumbled across your content.
watching you play against bronzes feels like im watching scientist walk around the monkey enclosure at the zoo. you just calmly dismantle teams by not even doing much. honestly inspired my silver ass to just chill out and see league as a more sit back and chill (and think) game. amaing video
p sure the guy that wrote that reddit post is the WW in the first game btw
When you play jungle and stop looking at your character (farm automatic) you can see so much
Literally just sit and see every lane, shit you can easily predict “well lux is obviously overextending and naut is not bot, guess there is a gank mid coming on and could be 3 man gank trying to gain prio for the drag that is coming up in 1 minute”
Just looking at the map you gain so much info
It’s like when scientists do experiments on wild animals just to see what will happen and then stepping in after things get out of hand
That WW was something else. Don't be that WW, everybody.
lmao actual monkeys
That's literally what consistency is. Not trying bullshit dumb hero stuff and just sticking to what you know. I feel like a lot of people will climb if they just react instead of initiate, esp in an elo where you can't expect everyone to be on the same page. A grey screen is time you're not on the map and your team is one man down. So as silly as it is, just don't die. Or at least try not to. If something looks fishy, don't go head first. If you think you'll die from a fight, just disengage and back off. Always think in numbers. Enemy number bigger than our number? Fight bad. Enemy number lower? Fight good. Equal? Just wait. Then repeat and react accordingly.
This video was an eye-opener to me that you don't have to approach league at 100mph nonstop all the time to be present in the game. It's interesting viewing the game at a much slower and collected pace, thanks for the great video coach!
thing is tho he kinda cheating by playing annie that can 100 - 0 and mechanically probably the most simple - because you cant nearly punish an opponent so effectively as anything else, be so passively effective. big, big difference and definitely not coincidental the champ he picked for this was annie.
except the reason theres only one game is because he cherry picked out of probably dozens where he had - derank bots, griefers, wintraders, smurfs on enemy team, afkers or just couldnt solo carry . Hes not that good at the game hes just a riot shill who buys high elo accounts.
@@thetruthtriangle4060 Looks like you completely missed the point and lecture in the video, too bad.
@@thetruthtriangle4060 found the hard stuck iron 4
@@whiskizyo2067 well no... If i had a friend who was bronze/silver who was crying about being hardstuck, id tell him to play Annie/Jinx/Garen depending on his role. High skill champs are low elo player traps. If you play low elo at 100 mph you are being a sweaty tryhard and just looking like an idiot.
My friends were complaining about being stuck in bronze, so I started playing again and climbed from b4 to s1 on two accounts
One of my friends who has some insecurity issues kept telling me I was so bad at the game when we played normals. I was just trying to have fun, and he made the experience painful. He’s just really toxic. So when this new season started I got placed iron 2 and he got placed silver 2. In two weeks I went from iron 2 to silver 4 50 lp.. my friend who kept calling me bad demoted from silver 2 to bronze 3 in the same amount of time and got a ban on his account for using the r word
This is both an affirmation to the teachings in this video and a plea for help: I tried playing ranked many years ago, and it went badly. Took a long break from the game. Then I watched some coaching videos, out of pure curiosity. I got over my rankedxiety, and got to gold in a couple of days. And I literally just play like this(Anivia mid). It's so easy, and Anivia is especially perfect for this playstyle(safe, range, waveclear). Now I'm wondering what I can do to have a higher impact on the game earlier. I still have a 50-60% winrate with this playstyle, but I do lose quite a few games by my team feeding so hard that I literally can't do anything after laning phase. Scenarios where I completely outplay the enemies mechanically in fights, but their stats are just THAT much higher due to gold income diff. Like me dodging their entire kit, me hitting everything, but still I lose. I guess I need better macro? Or are some games just THAT unwinnable due to the design of the game?
If you have 50-60% winrate you just need to spam games until you climb your elo. You need to play until Riot decides your account deserve to earn more lp than lose. When you start to earn 30+ lp per match, 60% winrate will be more than enough to break the wall of a couple divisions.
Yes, most games are just unwinnable due to Riot's system of matchmaking. In your case, 40% of your matches will have atleast one player in your team who is losing A LOT of lp. Riot doesn't want him to fall that fast, and doesn't want you to climb that fast too, so, making a player with high MMR carry the player with the lowest MMR in the match is their solution to "balance" the queue and secure that both of you gonna need to spam games in order to fix the problem they just created.
not just better macro, but better micro. you need to realize the limitations of your champion and play around that. anivia for example is an immobile mage and you won't just burst a tank or bruiser down with a full combo. mages have some of the highest skill requirements and they require you to work around their cooldowns and fragility as well. your build is also important and you should build according to who you're facing. anivia is not the best pick to climb higher elo, but you shouldn't have trouble getting to diamond or master with her. I'm sure there are really good challenger or gm anivia players, but they just have an elite understanding of macro and micro.
There are some games that you will lose no matter what you do or however good you play that's about 30% of the time, get it into your head and stop beating yourself down for that as long as you're over 50% WR you will climb, your success is inevitable
This may be the most helpful coaching video for bronze/silver that I have ever seen. Every time I see coaches talking about "the fundamentals", they are always discussed in a very abstract and theoretical sense, to the point that I have sometimes doubted their legitimacy. This is the first video I have seen where the fundamentals, and their absence in bronze/silver, are explicitly laid out. Also, I cannot count the number of times that I've heard challenger players give the advice "if you can solo kill your laner, you will climb". Possibly the worst and most harmful piece of advice a low level player can receive.
Why do you think the advice "if you can solo kill your laner, you will climb" is harmful? I want a discussion, not an argument o.o
@@zeronothinghere9334 its harmful because it tells new players that they should prioritize trading and early fighting, when as Curtis has shown in this video, those are the last things you should be worrying about when trying to learn the fundamentals.
@@zeronothinghere9334 It’s true in fact, but not necessary and lacks nuance. It encourages playing mindlessly aggressive when the better way to solo kill in low elo is to play patient, know your powerspikes and your champion and use them to punish the huge mistakes they’re going to get and that’s it
Also, playing one or two champ is the best way to at least climb to gold without even focusing on something else. Bronze and silver players play random champs they never played and play 2-3 roles at the same time. Play one champ (or two if your champ has a big PR/BR) and learn it, climbing will be a lot easier like that
@@calebhorwitz9324 im of the opinion that trading and fighting are fundamental parts of league. It also encourages people to play more aggressively and thus develop control over their own character, or die trying. I don't think you should needlessly take fights, you should have a reason for a trade / fight, but that can even be something simple as level advantage
@@zeronothinghere9334 I wouldn’t say it’s the most harmful thing you can say, as learning to carry is still imo the best way to get out of low elo, but it still does suggest solo kills to be the end all be all of league. And trading / fighting are most certainly fundamental to league, but you can do that perfectly without necessarily getting solo kills. I think the idea is low elo players will risk and sacrifice way too much for a chance at a solo kill when they had better options.
I’m in bronze, and it’s good to know I have room to grow/improve in the game of league and that I’m not just hopelessly stuck in bronze
when i was Bronze 5, I used to think there was nowhere to go. But it's kind of like an Airplane that has yet to take off, I actually have everywhere to go. You can always improve if you're bronze in every single game you play. I would even go as far as to say like 90% of games are winnable.
Alot, alot of room to improve, even in Challenger or pro play, the players still have big room to improve when it comes to mid/jg/support or as a team play
And it is not even that hard, even I could get to gold and I don't play ranked most of the time. So you can definitely do it too if you put in enough work. 😊
Bro enjoy it. Enjoy the improvement process. When I started playing that was the most fun I had. Getting Gold in the first few months of playing during season 4 and Diamond the next season.
It was so much fun climbing and improving. Watching new videos to improve. Losing games didn’t demotivated me from playing the game.
Now I’m stuck in D1/low Masters. Feels like I’m stuck. Reached my peak. Can’t improve anymore. Losing games feel bad. Don’t have the same passion to improve and have fun in the process like before because it feels like I have reached my limit/wall.
@@puppetmaster8514 that is 100% true
You did also prove the fact that regardless of whether or not you're handicapping yourself, a challenger can't always solo carry games. Now imagine that player is of like gold/plat skill level, and keeps getting games where he loses because of his entire team getting dunked on even if he's playing well, he'll blame his team and challenger players flame him saying if he was better than his rank he would win and climb, sure, if you hit challenger every season, maybe that seems like it makes sense, but it just doesn't work like that when you're not at the highest elo, you're still gonna have unwinnable games, you're still gonna have people tell you that it's still all your fault, and it might make you think you're doing something drastically wrong when you weren't, and then you replace a good habit with a bad one to try and remedy it.
Can't agree more
That's why you need coaching if you're serious about climbing. Or get some high elo friends to play normals with. If you surround yourself with silvers - you will always be a silver. Remember the old saying "If you're the smartest person in the room - find a different room". That's the case in any field. If you want to be good at sports you need to be either naturally gifted or have access to a good coach (preferably both). It doesn't even have to be coaching in the same sport. If your parent is a professional basketball player, they will have a great understanding of what it takes to be good at every single team game. It's just a different mentality that you have to learn. As well as learn to analyse your own mistakes and understand the role that you play in your team.
It's important to keep in mind the law of averages. Everyone has bad streaks which dip their win rates down in the recent 20 games dramatically. A lot of people though will play 200+ games in a season and have a 48% wr or so across all those matches and that's not just from a series of bad games. That's why it's important to look for trends over a longer period than just recent 20 matches.
This was finally the video to give me the humility I needed. Thank you. I need to go easier, not harder. The stress is gone 🙏
34:10 "I tried to run into a few of 'em I think"
That moment when you're laning against a player who's skillshot ability is so awful that you struggle to intentionally get hit by them...
Poster is beyond hopium, they are mainlining copium straight into their veins.
I lol'd when he said everyone bronze and up understands fundamentals *perfectly*
it is all a scheme to make Curtis post more videos :pepelaugh: either way we get high quality content for free today
@@jaywu4804 Unironically this.
@@LunchPerson how does this video make you feel? not asking this in a douchey way. just wondering what your take aways are, and how your mindset differs now after watching this video.
@@bootylooklikedissize I love Curtis' content and I appreciate him addressing my post with respect. That being said, upon first viewing I found little in this video that challenged my standpoint. I never doubted that it's possible to win in low elo with only good fundamentals, at the end of the day it's still bronze and you can even get fast and loose with those. My post was about the misallocation of educational resources heavily favouring certain concepts over others.
As for a change in mindset, Curtis has at least given me something to think about. Sounds weak, but I'll have to give it a few days of thinkin.
I appreciate the way you commentate on these VODs, even without watching, I can visualize what’s going on (audio only)
25:16 "I'm just a nice guy.. just an innocent guy trying to get my blue buff" that cracked me up lol
My god man, the self control. Of all the champs to restrict yourself from aggressive flashing. I don't think I could pull it off with Annie, the instinct is too strong.
This vod assisted me more than the 100 others i've seen from Neace etc. The mental is strong here; no tilt. I have had my win rate spike as a result of muting all, playing my game, being reactionary, and pouncing at the right time. Thank you coach.
You just hate neace admit it. If you dont have anything nice to say just stfu before naming someone else
Do you play Rengar or Nidalee 😜
Well, you are only going to be able to climb so far with that strategy. I played with people that muted in games, starting in the lobby, and lost nearly every one because of that player not being part of the game plan, doing their own thing, and screwing everyone else over.
Also being reactionary isnt always the answer,sometimes some games are clown fiesta coinflips that you should participate in some tf
mental is huge for climbing to mid elo
Both games end in a post 30 min objective coinflip where If you win the coinflip you win the game. Being 15/1 had almost nothing to do with winning or losing.
Dude this, the whole video is missing the point. His laning performance had NOTHING to do with winning either games. It was 100% macro. Which shows the original poster(and reason for his making this video) is 100% correct.
@@Swivel53 He had a lead and was effectively the team's hyper carry but didn't fill the role.
In especially low-elo solo q, you can't just "do well" you have to carry the rest of the team on your back and call plays.
I view bronze and silver as 1v1 managment contest between the 2 opposing highest performers in a match.
"You don't need advanced macro to win these games" Proceeds to lose the game lol
if he was remotely trying at all it would not be close
This reminds me of a quote from chess grandmaster Ben Finegold "this low rated player was beating me all game, then he blundered his queen and I cleaned him up". The video really shows this off, they can outplay you and just get lucky all they want but if you play consistently, then in all scenarios except maybe the top level (even then, sometimes), you can just wait for them to blunder and punish it. Just great league of legends. Man I love this game sometimes
Edit: spelling
ua-cam.com/video/zl228Oh-fOM/v-deo.html still theory
No talking
@@jaasonjones4419 I'm GM Ben finegold and you are not
@@CallMeSpinpie ALWAYS RETREAT
ua-cam.com/video/odtnysAUGTA/v-deo.html i love this clip
Take a shot every time Coach Curtis says "not doing anything fancy".
I'm not trying to die today.
It's supposed to be a drinking game, not a drinking execution,
Your experiment is certainly interesting, and I agree that capitalizing on enemy mistakes will make you climb in the long run. However, in my opinion, understanding WHEN to capitalize is something which is a skill to master in itself; a person can only see a mistake if they know that it's a mistake in the first place. If a player doesn't understand the game well, its unlikely any such a person could climb by capitalizing on somthing they won't recognize as an opportunity. Still, nice video, I enjoyed it :) (Posted it before, but got lost in comments lol)
exactly!
This is such a good ass video bro I respect it. So many people constantly shitting on the game for various reasons gets so annoying. Its low elo chess, just take what your opponent gives and stick to the fundamentals. Your vids have helped me so much to stay calm, play smart, and not baby rage.
A huge thing I learned from watching Neace is to think of League as an information-gathering game. I've been able to distinguish which champs to target first and be afraid of by checking tab whenever I die or back, kept better track of which champs have their ults or sums up by paying attention to fights on the map and even been more cautious about how much information I'm giving to the enemy team with my positioning. Idk if it counts as a fundamental, but it's really "unlocked" the game for me, to a point where I now feel like I have a basic idea of what I should be doing and focusing on whereas I used to often get confused and be surprised by "wtf how is this guy so strong suddenly?". At least until the rare point when the game gets to like 40m+ and it all seems to come down to which team fucks up the hardest.
that is macro, you see.. if you know who you should be afraid of, if you know where you should be at that specific time, you will NEVER EVER have to be better at micro (mecanichs etc) than your enemy, you won't see yourself at a bad situation
I'm a high plat player and I STILL die a ton to not pressing tab and checking what my lane opponent bought on his reset or what items did the fed midlaner have. It really is a crucial skill for something so simple. If anything it is extensively playing DotA that finally taught me to do it as checking items might just be the most important skill in that game period.
keep calm and wait
Mistakes open up opportunities
everything that is said in the video works wonderfully up to diamond 3.
A comment I am seeing a lot here is : "But you lost, doesn't that render the point useless?"
My goal here was to show that even within a 30% loss game (like this) I was still able to make it extremely close by playing basic fundamental League. Remember, most people will only climb with only a 52%-->55% WR and that is ALL that is needed! Sure, I could smurf this game up and win it, BUT for the average bronze/silver player, it's just a 30% loss and THAT IS OK!
The other comment I see which is extremely valid "You only have a sample size of 2 games, you can't prove ****". I agree with you, but for ethical reasons I didn't want to continue to play in Bronze nor ruin other peoples games. With that being said, given my experience watching silver/bronze games AND from what I saw in these games, I am quite confident that what we see here can be, by and large, extended and seen in the majority of your own games. Feel free to observe and test it for yourself.
Lastly, if you'd like to hear more about this sort of stuff, I go deeper on my podcast each week : ua-cam.com/channels/bkFsQcaQ_CuPWTBrsEm6cw.html
Cheers,
Curtis
How much of an impact would you say using Annie had on your video? Many low elo players use champs that aren't this braindead and forgiving. What happens if you use a low damage champ like Ryze that requires followup from your Bronze teammates?
Love this video. I have this same "let your opponents hang themselves" philosophy in just about every game I play. You can get above average-high ranks in any game by just having solid fundamentals/playing safe and letting your opponent do the work for you
As somone who reguarly boosts accounts, i dont fucking understand this sentiment. i peaked masters, exactly once in my life and im like a diamond player now who doesn't really put a lot of thought into the game, and yet with out fail i have a 70-80% winrate in iron, bronze and silver. i've played thousands of games in this cesspit of an elo and the two games on display here are fairly accurate to the standard fare. i actually do not understand how people can convince themselves these players have fundemental or esoteric knowledge. these players will genuinely hand entire games over just because they're playing on autopilot with no baseline fundementals. if you're losing to them across a large samplesize its because you also lack in some key area. anyone who writes posts like Tofu did have deluded themselves into thinking that they have an average or above average understanding, and they project that if they lose it it's not their fault. this entire video was unecissary as the nature of a bell curve is self evident, it's not possible to have a game this popular with people that educated.
@@9rays0n poorly. i don't recommend playing champs like that in low elo, it's the same reason why despite my best champion pool being similar to curtis (ori, azir, syndra) when i play in low elo i tend to play champs like tristana mid or zed, champs that do not require you to play the macro game or play around your team. this is to say, explicitly, that some champions are weaker in lower elo than higher elo, and functionally that's okay. champions that are heavily team centric tend to fall into this category, it is very hard to make meaningful impacts in low elo with somone like Asol or Ori, even if you're extremely good at the game. their strengths don't shine as brightly. you can still climb with them it just wont be as smooth as other champions.
@@CoffeeKitty. Thanks this clearly answers my question, appreciate it. I am Gold elo and trying to OTP Ryze had me feeling like I belonged in Bronze, until I switched to Ahri and Viktor out of frustration and jumped to a 70% winrate
If I was marking this as an experiment my two main critiques would be that your sample size is obviously so small that no conclusions can be taken from this, and that your results don't support your hypothesis in any clear definable way.
blah blah blah
been low gold/high silver player for about a year in euw. recently climbed to plat for the first time. biggest diff in bronze/silver to gold/plat is that gold plat people run it down in lane a lot less, they respect enemies powerspikes and advantages more. also in mid/late game gold/plat players are paying more attention to their position in teamfights
There’s an interesting analogue to this topic that Street Fighter content creator Brian F addressed in one of his videos wherein he addressed someone saying they can “compete with high level players” but lose to players at their elo level.
Basically Brian F said that this person only felt they could compete with the higher level players was because higher level players don’t immediately default to a high risk, high reward strategy, and such allow the lower level player to “play” the game a bit while they slowly guarantee the victory. The lower level player thinks they’re keeping it close, but in reality will never come close to winning against these players, ever. I feel like this redditor probably fell into that same trap evaluating Neace’s play against Bronze top laners.
When you put someone really good at something against others, watching them play makes one feel that competing with them is way easier than what really is, especially when nothing “flashy” is going on.
I remember during season 3 worlds, when all eyes were upon the dominance of SKT, and people were praising Faker for his solo plays, and mechanics, but nobody was mentioning the absurd difference between the macro level of SKT and the other teams. The reason for this: A clean macro execution from a team don’t look flashy as a mid 2v2, neither low elo players have the knowledge to recognize what is going on behind their decisions.
Just do what "Punk" does but really it does make sense what you are saying
yea this video reminded me a lot of fg content. Pros in fgs will always recommend players in low ranks (esp sf) to just keep it simple, learn to anti air and punish because everyone is doing unsafe stuff and jumping in low ranks and if you punish that, you will climb. Like other people here have said, pros will always be the ones playing safe and looking to evaluate the opponent and how to beat them rather than just running the same gameplan every time.
@@drewgoff652 exactly. I mean they show off at times "I love Smug personally " but if you watch them it's like hey fundamentals watch this guy keep jumping at me I press 1 button I win.
I'd assume this is definitely the case for Neace's example, because people in lower elos have this idea that to be good in top lane you need to nonstop kill your opponent and steamroll him, even though it's not true. Also, much like fighting games, punishing mistakes is more important than doing crazy flashy combos. Which is why you see so many Riven OTPs in low elo that hard kept practicing combos but have no idea how to lane with her and play macro.
The true bronze experience is getting 5 maned behind your second tower at 5 mins while the score is 0/20 enemies favor.
this is very sad and I actually experienced this on a second acc (im gold but unranked on that account) i did okay and got pretty fed but literally i had the omly kills on my team at 20 mintes, about 10+ kills and I play with my gf she's new so she sucks bad and so we play with other new and its funny to see how we lose so bad
@@pauljamesmontoya4654 its funny for you because you go into it expecting that. you're showing your gf. Imagine that game when your actually trying, solo q just getting decimated game after game.
@@aceboogie7832 my friend is constantly in high bronze, and he stays at bronze 1 unless we duo together and i get him to silver 4. try duoing with a friend, it also prevents 15 min ff's or quitters/afkers . also try a scaling champ, or try jungle
Yeah. And this is like every other game. The enemy team sees your lane doing good, and they just fucking swarm you and you cant stop them because they are all 4 kills up and 2 items up on you lol. I've made it to gold multiple seasons before eventually giving up, but gold was such a better experience than bronze lol.
I'll never understand why people continue to play super agro after going 0/3 in lane. See it all the time in top/mid. You couldn't win on a level playing field, why do you think you can win now?
If you are 0/3 and turtle up and play safe the game is winnable. If you go 0/7 at like 10 minutes the game is practically over
Very insightful! I am one of those players that play waaay too aggressively and end up dieing a lot. This video just made me realize I just need to chill a little bit and stop acting like I'm the main character. Thanks for that!
Also, the shutdown at 21:38 is only possible because OP actually has mechanics. The average bronze/iron is not going to be able to just walk away outside of Sett's auto and clap let alone even know they can win the fight. lol
PekinWoof rarely does content in the lower elos, but when he does, he always is very thorough in explaining what he's doing and what the enemy is doing (especially in lane) that give him the opportunities to get a lead. More should be like you two!
Perfect balance of kills and assists in the first annie game. 6-1-6 up to 14-1-14...
One "advanced" concept that I see you do in this game is, that you don't dive past people, you don't gift away kills.
That's positioning and I think, positioning is something that gets often not explained.
Btw. The macro-decisionmaking that let me reach Plat was "follow all of my team's calls blindly."
Did you start as master tier?
@@hinro 😂😂
I got to plat in multiple seasons (assassin mid/enchanter support) with pretty mediocre macro mainly by taking advantage of my lane opponents’ mistakes and being decent at turning that into a snowball. I hit a wall in mid plat, which lines up exactly with what Curtis is saying.
Wanna blackout quick? Take a shot every time coach curtis says "nothing fancy" lmao
io f a;a wyyyyyyyyyyyyy
@@williamdavis3590 ^exactly
Love it. I’m an adc one trick and got autofilled to mid a few times lately. Used Neace’s “afk shove lux” strategy with wrong runes (accidentally had HoB/Inspiration from previous KaiSa Game) which is played similar to you, just shove get 10cs/m and play reactive League of Legends. Was enough to win 3/3 games so far in ~P1-D4 Elo without good mid lane knowledge
I finally reached master this season and on Reddit, some random dude who probably isn't even plat says there is no difference between bronze and challenger. It's so funny and annoying at the same time.
@I Voted For Biden And Love Abortion hes definitely peaked like gold4 at best, the few divisions up until there are pretty much identical when compared to ones close to them so i can see where he'd get this idea if he's only played up to that but past that it's pretty obvious seeing even a g2 player vs a p4 player
That is the kind of dude that watches the LCS and believes that he would do better than all the players.
I love how wrong each person in this comment chain is about me :D
@@LunchPerson k, we're wrong. coachcurtis is wrong. you're right
@I Voted For Biden And Love Abortion in my experience in league and dota the "plat level" is where ppl get frequently stuck while being already reasonably good at the game. they know about most of the things you can and should do but they fail to adapt and tie together all their skills and knowledge. they are often really good at a few select things and can't figure out how to open up the game to allow them to have more impact. I really believe some of those players in their own world think they're playing close to "perfect". So my first instinct is not to think that they are trolling in this post.. it might just be made from sheer frustration and the only way to explain their situation (+them not admitting to being bad) is to raise everyone up and talk about how there is not much difference in gameplay.
In Lucian's defense, that was some rather nice timing on the stun reset hahaha
Cant even fathom someone would think someone in bronze has more than 2 functioning neurons and would compare it to someone platinum even.
Man I’m a virkayu viewer, I’m jg main, but holy shit such an amazing video dude , a friend recommended me to u from this vid just now, and I loved how well u explained this video and polite u are , and yes I totally agree with what u said in start of the video and love how simply u showed it in the games , absolute banger vid and juiced up with so much content and stuff to learn
I'm a support who watches both, they're explaining very well, so it's great for both fundamentals of the game and understanding both roles better
I think it also works as a jungler. Just pick someone who can clear the camps good, then just full clear all the time and take free kills. Only then you get to see what is really hard about this. knowing When you are stronger or weaker than them. Since fighting 2v1 is not a win for sure.
You can learn to farm lines by watching this. IS extremely OP. Just think about when you get autofill. Miracles!
Ive been playing the game since season 3 on and off (bronze/silver rank). What has stood out the most to me is that each team usually has 1or 2 players who know the game fairly decent and have decent mechanics. So most bronze games have turned into a 2v2 instead of 5v5. Low elo is about pretty much who can carry the hardest.
The true is there is no more Bronze ELO. In every Bronze game there is 1--3 smurfs in both teams. Many times this players play better then in high Diamond.
@@KogMawsTvShow It only seems like they play better than in high diamond because their opponents are worse than high diamond players
@@Black-nf3tx This. A big misunderstanding people seem to have it how mechanics actually work when playing in these different elos. A bronze adc can sort of look like he's playing well by just autoing down people that don't understand spacing, know when to go in with cds, etc. making him look similar (on the surface) to an adc in high elo that is properly spacing, playing around cooldowns to take trades, etc. Doing well against bad players doesn't make you good, and that's what I find so funny every time low elo players flame each other for their skill level.
Such a big thing people keep talking about, but nobody really experiences.
Games snowball harder because players are bad. They know one thing and do that thing, regardless of the situation. It's funny to see people still claiming these things after years and years. Even though they haven't improved noticeably in all that time through thousands of games. A friend of mine plays in bronze and is complaining about smurfs a lot too. His games are full of bronze and iron players. There's very few who later hit silver or gold and virtually none that have impressive average scores. If these are the smurfs you're facing, you belong where you're at or should even drop down a few ranks.
@@simmerke1111 I'm not sure if I agree with "games snowball harder because players are bad." In my experience it's the opposite. Because players are bad, they don't generally know how to push a lead or take advantage properly, whereas the higher up you go the moment you die once or don't set up your lane correctly you get taken advantage of and snowballed on.
That being said, I agree with the smurf comment. People callout players for being smurfs because they happened to get matched a few divisions lower than they are actually ranked and look for any excuse as to why they lost lane/the game even though that person maybe didn't contribute a ton. Whereas an actual smurf playing in bronze gets 20+ kill games numerous times in a row.
I remember watching this a while ago, and recently I've been playing ranked casually. I got to plat pretty easily doing exactly this. I needed to watch this video again because I've been getting tilted and making desperate plays.
Yeah, idk either. One clear aspect is Coach's positioning. He's positioning is vastly superior and his cs'ing under tower and basic management is vastly superior than most low elo players. I've spent months doing practicing his strat and my these items are getting better, but I am having the same outcome. I do well for 85% of the game, often being 5/0/8, something like this just to lose. At some point the player has to be proactive.
You're spot on about overcomplicating. These were my recent struggles in bronze - I was thinking stuff like "should I roam to influence map more and if yes, then when? I have no idea", "how do I win when I don't die but don't have any win conditions either? simply not dying seems to not working", and eventually "I admit, I have no idea were I should be and what to do after lane phase" especially when I am orianna and my team split fight without me. And you show that by simply farming and reacting to things you have better score at the end of the game than me most of the times even in hard losing game. And it's not about the score, it's about influencing the game. If you lose, you make it way harder for enemy, if you win, you win without coin flipping. I noticed that very often in bronze people just can't chill and farm, accept that maybe in this matchup you better farm under tower until you hit your powerspike or opportunity present itself. It is hard for us bronzies to play loosers game. We feed lane early, tilt and feed even more in late game trying to compensate, I saw it many many times. I see people fucking up lane states very often (like I am forced to back by gank and enemy freeze close to my tower instead of pushing and resetting, I come back with items and resources and simply kill them). I think also part of the problem is that bronze-silver is a free real estate to smurf-streamers of any kind who adds to coin flip and illusion that "low elos have perfect sense of fundamentals". Whenever I get a low gold as my opponent I feel it even before I check op.gg (if I ever check I do this after the game) - the way they control their character, the way they trade, the way they punish lane mistackes, positioning - it feel very different. So we don't know OP's elo but something says to me that he is not much higher than gold.
"Smurfing is so toxic for the game, why do high elo players do this"
"The skill gap is fake"
Pick one
this ^^^^^^^^
Literally this is what I'm thinking. Can't have it both ways. Also you'll never get a good answer out of low elo players who are hardstuck how it is that high elo players are high elo and they are not. You can get to diamond and even masters just off strong fundamentals if you work very hard at it and get exceptionally strong with them.
Neither. The skill gap is not fake but if someone starts a new account, he/she needs to smurf on it a few games still he can´t get immideately to their main elo - yet smurfs can be still defeaten when played well, many of them resort to high risk playstyles and that can be punished with fundamentals only in most chases
These people always move the goalpost. "The skill gap is fake news Neace clearly struggles with bronzies" but then Neace proves he doesn't have problems with bronzies consistently. "Why you smurfing bro?! You're the problem with the game and why people can't climb out of elo because they have to worry about a challenger smurf being on their team every other game". People don't want to accept that maybe they are the problem and they are the reason they can't climb. They never will with this attitude.
You wanna know what got me out of hard stuck silver 3/4 and into Gold 3/2? Literally getting out of the comfort of always playing on locked screen, and focusing on csing better and focusing on pressuring/pushing lanes and getting consistent XP/gold over fighting coinflip teamfights that don't make sense based on my positioning and the timing of the fight. Most of that was JUST actually playing on unlocked screen.
TL;DR wanna climb out of silver? CS better, don't take coinflip fights and throw shutdowns away for no reason when you could just keep extending your lead via farm, and unlock your god damn camera. It's not that hard to get used to. It took me roughly 10-15 games.
The difference between bronze and silver is a fucking galaxy, let alone between low and high elo. As a gold player I can go into silver and go 5/1 in lane every single game. People way underestimate skill gaps.
hello! not sure if you still read comments on this but I was wondering if you could go into a bit more detail on what you said around 26:40 about how players don't know how to "end the game". Do you have a video that references that concept specifically? Or is there a standard "order of operations" for targeting certain towers/objectives that maximizes your ability to translate leads? ty!
I’ve been playing “troll” support champions like Shaco and Heimer for two seasons now and just for the fun of it demoted myself all the way into bronze in both seasons. Well, lo and behold, I stomped my lanes in most of my games and last season went from B3 to E3 and this season from B1 to D3 by just winning my lanes alone pretty much. Obviously I have been following the general macro like helping jungler secure objectives, roaming mid and top and calling baron when it was free + warding better than enemy supp. This alone took me to higher elo consistently for two seasons without breaking a sweat really. Hone your macros and play more high impact roles and you will climb if your mental is solid as well.
Literally started bronze 5 in season 8 as a jungler and used the "don't die, cs, wait for mistakes method" and climbed to gold 3. When you die, always think "why did i die? could I have not died there?"
I watched this video, i tried it in diamond.. this day i played the best league of legends in my entire career.. i wish i could stay at this level of performance all the time.
I’ve gotten to diamond around 2 years ago. I really felt like I had to play different at each rank and the game because easier to play the way it normally is because as rank got higher people understand the fundamentals more, but in silver games you can’t always expect your team to understand all the aspects of the game or how to win.
He made this video to make a point, yet lost his first game and still basically blamed his team. I don't think these high elo players can play 2 games in elo hell and claim they prove a point. I'm in elo hell, I do my basics, I make good objective calls, I don't feed - but as soon as I rank up I get literal inters in my team. Not even people that are just bad, people that are literally trolling. Then I derank back to where I was. I've been trying not to be the person that blames their team, but I cannot compute why these players are in my games. Hey, maybe I just flamed a riot employee and they decided to keep me from climbing out of bronze by paying people to int my games.
stay consistent dont tilt youll win. or you can stay delusional and blame your team idk you do you.
Great video, as always! I think the "simple" things you do in those games like CSing well and not dying to ganks are only half the story for a low elo player. Just as important are things you do not do: you have the discipline to not overchase, to not facecheck and not force bad plays. While obviously low elo players lack the fundamentals they also lack constraint and patience. They hate being bored and only catch waves for 10 minutes.
Yeah was gonna say whenever he was like "what kind of play would a bronze make here?", i was like "run into enemy jg for no reason and die?" xD
@@ZeekCannon over extend and die at T2 mid tower doing about 20% damage to it then when you respawn hop into a lane with your team and wander around while you lose two towers in mid & a dragon
It's because League is a team game.
That's why he's having trouble. As a friend told me, who'se also a professional lumberjack:
Play with Bots, you learn to fight bots. Play with Wood, you learn to use fire. Play with Snakes, you learn to be a hawk. Play with Trash, you only get slightly better than trash. The nuke will still kill the fire, the eagle will still kill the hawk.
This happens in high ranks as well. Bronze is so different from Diamond, you effectively have to relearn the game when you swap back and forth.
Some have an easier time adapting to trash teammates; others despite being the best of the best are no better than the worse.
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I realized this when I watched Tyler 1 get his ass handed to him by a gold Draven one trick in a 1v1.
League is one of the few games where you can watch Darwinian Evolution happen in real time. Another is websites of chess mmos that have massive boards of dozens of millions of people who casually just fuck around, play games, and fight pros randomly. Kind of like smurf queue lmao.
Even what he did might be the same as a bronze player, but the fact that he can consciously know what is doing. This is already some high-elo mindset right here.
I am a SoloQ Gold player for 3 seasons in a row now... Before that I played in bronze for a few seasons and then in silver for a few seasons. (I'm not a challenger coach like you)
When I have to climb to Gold at the start of the season, I always start somewhere around Silver 4 and the games there are so incredibly easy to win its absolutely ridiculous!
The gap in average skill between Silver 4 and Gold 4 (where I play most of the season after climbing very quickly at the start) is insane, I need so much more concentration and dedication to win a game in Gold 4 than I need in Silver 4. I play Trundle as a main and I literally just walk up to people and run them down, because they are always out of position in low Silver and Bronze.
Im bronze and been playing for years. Never really looked into cs under the tower. Small things like this make a huge difference. Practicing this one concept could increase my cs by 10 or more or less, but an increase none the less. Simple things in league make a huge difference.
if you've been playing for years and you're still bronze and didn't know about cs under the tower it's deserved
@@lilpullout For sure never complained about my rank in league. Esp. now with the way ranked works i have/can climb out pretty easily. Think i max right now around silver/gold5(if i play perfect). Cant really carry high silver low gold.
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Many years ago I climbed out of bronze in a similar way with Annie mid.
I’ve see takes like this all over r/summonerschool and it’s so detrimental for players trying to improve. Thanks brother Curtis for distilling some of the nonsense.
I remember afk farming and only using the freeze as caitlyn into gold. Enemy just loses patience and out play themselves... ofc this was before they added those filthy plates...
@@fengliu975 Filthy filthy plates. It really only takes understanding 1 or 2 pieces of the game and not sprinting to get to gold.
i climbed to gold WITHOUT fundamentals,the exact opposite of what the reddit post is saying,lol
@@lefroste6370 same, when I switched from wild rift to league, I still got to gold despite not knowing what most of the champions do or any of the fundamentals were.
that sub is such a toxic mess
I want 100 bronze 2 games to see what a high elo player win percentage is. Because I just played last night I was 15-3 and my team was inting so bad all over I couldn't do shit and ended 15-4 and lost
Your team comp was probably worse than enemy’s. Make sure you have a frontline, a lot of cc etc. you can play jungle and pick off ur team. I’m not going to lie, if you que bot adc and there is not a single frontline, lock in sion. I’ve seen it done and it worked. We beat them in lane, but middle game we had no frontline for team fights
Damn this one went really viral, i love it. Curtis, you should do more of these 😁🍿.
Anyway this post this guy made is a perfect example of how delusional low elo players are.
And i cauz count how many more of these i've met and they will actually argue with you to the blood 😅. That's how much clueless and delusional they are.
Imagine saying, that low elo players understand fundamentals, not only that, but they understand it perfectly, lmao...
I'm just working on one of my accounts, currently G1+ and literally EVERY game there are people making constantly so many mistakes, it sometimes drives me crazy how many mistakes they're making. I have to tell them when to push, when not to, when to reset, those are things player who understand fundamentals knows already. And you won't meet those players in bronze or silver lol.
The delusion is astronomical.
Casually jumping between LoL, Dota, and Smite for years and never keeping up with any game's meta gave me some insight. The one thing I realized is the importance of not just knowing every character's abilities, but their numbers as well. A bronze player probably won't fully know how much a certain ability can do, which characters scale super hard in the late game, or even what matchups they can win at the drop of a hat.
true, i admit i'm in emerald and this isn't a reflex for me
i can do pretty good estimates of damage (as a soraka main that's kinda mandatory) but i don't always think about the rest
Some truth to that. I got fed so many times back in the day on lux in bronze/silver because people would stay in lane and try to farm at tower with 20-30% health...would level to 6 and take them out with burst + laser. They always felt safe under the tower but you just couldn't sit in lane with low health against lux.
I cannot even recognise some champions in some weird skins. Been playing very scarcely since 2013
@@daftmathtv Another big one I notice is in lower elo a lot of people aren't quite as aware of cooldowns. Not just their own but their enemies.
A youtuber I forget the name of made a good example of this where he talked about how he would always know that as Akali he could out trade his stronger opponent (I forget the champion) early, because his Q was on a 4s cooldown, and theirs was 8/6/4s. And so whenever they used it, he would *always* make sure to hit them back twice and thus winning every trade.
I mean I'm a diamond mid laner who plays mage and I still don't know my damage numbers or cd numbers. I just go by instinct.
His point about nobody building resistances is huge. Whenever someone builds resistances against me it really throws me off.
I did this last night, I can confirm from my hardstuck bronze 1 ass, this works🤣at least 6 games in a row haha and playing like this taught me a lot on how to keep tempo and use proper wave management, now that I feel comfortable with those I can start to look into other aspects of my game👍🏼thanks for the vid
Controlling Tibbers is pretty advanced for a bronze game tbh
Hey coach, this video more than any other drove home for me what you have been meaning by focusing on fundamentals. Watching you play your games was so helpful in illustrating this idea. I've been doing better and feeling better about my games. Thank you!
this video opened my eyes. i started playing a month ago and focused way too much on flashy outplays and roams.... now i had my promo game to silver 3 and won easily with those fundamentals applied, the enemy made mistakes all over the place it was so easy
What are some examples of simple mistakes they've made?
@@fashionsuckman4652 staying too long in lane, bad roams and missing out on farm, sometimes just totally not able to know how much dmg i do and run into me and die, no understanding at all about wave state
Stuck in bronze as a jg main. It feels like I have to use my brain more than you had to in mid.
While you could play passively at mid, in the jg it feels like I have so many more responsibilities and need to be constantly thinking of the opponent and where I should be in relative to them and objectives. Not to mention what lane I should prioritize ganks.
But I will try to play more passively and go with the flow like you did so let’s see how it goes.
take a shot whenever he says not doing anything fancy hahaha. Great vid!
Glad you're pumping out more videos recently, really missed your content besides the BBC.
the what
hahahahaha
@@trickstabbed BBC = Broken by concept, it's Curtis and Nathan's Podcast.
@@anniekujo Sure its not the big black Curtis?
Played league from launch till I want to say the patch that brought Aphelios then I moved on to other games, recently revisited league and yeah can confirm the general skill level has drastically increased. Bronze used to be double top laners, people taking heal/clarity, I honestly think with how much content people can take in the average player is waaaaaaaay better then it used to be
yeah of course, ive been p2-d3 for five seasons in a row and i learned a lot these years, a lot of fundamentals, mechanics, tempo, reading the map, tracking jungle, using the f1-f4 to see the state of the lanes. But in the end im in the same elo.
So it common that people improve as much as you do. From platinum to masters its only to pollish some little bad habits.
I have friends that made that mind click and become d1-masters when they were in the same situation as me for years.
brings me back to the time that sum that revives you and people would use that to hard feed. Old league was wayyyyy more toxic for sure.
Dude you have no idea how helpful this video really is... holy crap THANK YOU, you should get paid for this video a looottt more than you made lol
Don't play league anymore, but it was nostalgic watching an Annie dominating games... reminds me of the days playing the beta.
It's actually really funny how toxic the team was in the first game, considering the number of mistakes being done by everyone
They just don't see these mistakes.
That is literally every game of league of legends.
"why is my team not helping me while i run into the enemy jungle alone with all lanes pushed into us?"
@@jaywu4804 Your minions are worth more than my life? wtf?
@@bradleymoore2797 Yes, literally yes. You're likely being sarcastic but for anyone who actually thinks that their lanes should always drop what they are doing to help them in every decision they make, yes my minions are worth more to me.
I want him to repeat this in a role of an enchanter support.
I'm really curious how many games a high elo player is able to win like out of 10 games in this role without advanced wave management and offensive flashy plays.
As a high gold Soraka I can get 65%+ winrate in even low silver without too much trouble. It does require constant updating of my win con (who I "support") and shotcalling (while being nice to my team) though.
@@ZeekCannon high gold 💀
@@vascocarvalho2451 You really commented just to say that? 🤣 Also r/whoosh 🤣
@@vascocarvalho2451 Since you're getting likes, maybe I have to spell it out. If I, a shitty ass gold player so piss low elo that you feel the urge to comment just to laugh at me (why tho?), can climb easily in bronze, I can only assume that someone who is better than me would do it even better. Not sure what was hard to understand there. XD
Same, would also be interested in a larger sample size with the exact same reactive playstyle.
Well said about ppls weakness in certain areas and stronger in others.. For example am challenger in toxcity, but Iron III in csing
This is all great advice that I will absolutely take to heart. But what am I supposed to do when in 50% of my ranked games I either have a literal jg bot running back and forth from blue to red and doing nothing else and/or a supp or other laner that just decides to afk or run it down after 1 death? This happens really often and I just don’t feel like I can 3 or 4v5 every single game.
Great breakdown! I used to be a Plat player because I have decent macro, but I'm a Silver player now because I play so infrequently that my fundamental play is at like Iron 4 levels haha. There's no one size fits all coaching in League. The game is too complex for that.
Hey Coach, Im not commenting often but I wanna thank you for your video. It just opened my eyes. Im in silver and i always tought: "I know how to farm, dont keep telling me this", but your gameplay showed me that I was always trying way to hard. Of course I knew how to farm, but I got an inefficient trade here, trying to support my jungle lvl 3 there, useless botlane rotations and all in all my farm went down. You showed me to stay calm and just wait for opportunities instead of trying to do flashy plays and right niow it seems to work out very well!
Niece really played in bronze to prove the point and he crushed so hard those bronzies that if someone isn't convinced yet has some kind of problems with ego
The thing is, if you don't solo carry HARD and CONSISTENTLY you won't leave Silver. And whoever is in Silver can't do that. You'll be stuck with a 50% winrate for 10 years and then flatten yourself with a bulldozer in a hissy fit.
This is my favorite video you've ever done, as a masters player. I benefitted greatly from this, realizing too often I force plays, when I can wait for enemy mistakes and capitialize. It seems like the foundation of improvement, and you can just keep developing off this base!
I'm a "silver" support main. A couple of seasons ago on an alt I reached mid gold with a 65% wr on thresh over 100 games. I just dont play ranked seriously anymore.
I always liked flashy champs like kata and twitch, so I started playing them support (because dopamine.) I realized that even though I have a 60% wr on kata support, im handicapping myself by not playing mid so I can get bigger leads. Unfortionatly for me, years of support left my cs and solo laning terrible. Especially on kat support, the whole goal is farming DH stacks and trying to get a reset when both enemies are low, then spiral off of roams.
But the one thing I noticed is that if I just pick kasadin or yone with fleet mid, I can just play overly passive and give cs and focus on not dying in lane. I ended up with 5.5 cs a min at first, but by me not dying or taking bad trades I was able to maintain even xp and gold by not backing and taking plates. Now that I am capable of csing, I average around 7 cs a min, so i no longer have to play like the biggest pussy in the world, but patience did help me.
Playing for dopamine completely rotted my brain, and even now when playing twitch or draven support, ill dive an 0/5 sona and give a 700gold shutdown rather than recalling just to send a message.
Seeing that you are in master and you still "learned" some "basics" from this video only proves that you absolutely don't need to know any basics to get out of bronze.
@@helgenlane A lot of master/d1 players are one tricks that are very good at their champs but don’t have all the basics down pat.
@@Sebsemzs that's part of my point. "Grind basics and you will climb" is such a boring and useless advice for low elo players. Also, the basics coach Curtis is teaching are pretty much irrelevant below plat because these players are simply not good enough mechanically to capitalise on all the enemy mistakes and gold they are getting.
@@helgenlane I was a one trick for a long time and ended up mastering basics later on because I was very comfortable on my champ, but coaches generally hate that approach cause their goal is typically to improve you overall
Mental stack seems like such a massive concept to me. I technically know how to do all these things, but in the middle of the game I'm so far from it.
If you can explain it you can practice it, if you can practice it you can learn it
Just focus on them one or two at a time. Play like normal but put extra extra emphasis on a certain aspect. For example, you could start with making sure you're always warding correctly and watching the map. Eventually it'll become second nature. Then you can move on to another.
As a dad that’s been stuck bronze I appreciate your tips! I will only use my flash defensively and be more patient in lane and heavy focus my cs! Thank you!