Dimitri - This is super needed on the 507K models for the compacts. It has a much smaller window and it can be hard to pick up the dot at first in the smaller sights. I never loose the dot on the full size but I do struggle on the K version at times. I like this recital and would love to see this come to the smaller packages too.
An experienced shooter would also immediately recognize the benefits if they were told to shoot through a (I think it’s called) VTAC barrier. The one with the different cuts in the “wall” usually see ppl do it with rifles.
Great aspect of this sight that wasn't (unless I missed it), mentioned by Aaron: you can turn off the outer ring. So, once you're used to the red dot you don't have to be stuck with "training wheels" so to speak. Also, great for shooting at odd angles like barricades, cars, etc.
This is super needed on the 507K models for the micro compacts. It has a much smaller window and it can be hard to pick up the dot at first in the smaller sights. I never loose the dot on the full size but I do struggle on the K version at times. I like this recital and would love to see this come to the sig365/hellcat/ ect sights.
@@StevenL00 I'm already waiting on primary arms' MD25 with the ACSS coming out in a few months. Just thought it would be amazing to put the ACSS on a large rifle open reflex sight for more flexibility.
@@mghegotagun well, now I'd really hope they'd do that for the 512C, closed emitter, large window, it's gonna be amazing. If only Holosun will crank out more of these…
I believe that the ring is a great tool even for those who don't need the "training wheels." Where it really shines is in self defense scenarios where you may be ducking behind cover and shooting at weird angles or off-handed. You simply don't always have the opportunity to present properly like you do on the range. Hell, I don't have a chips-ahoy display on my range to practice on. It's also important to remember that the adrenaline dump you'll likely experience when defending yourself significantly reduces your fine motor skills. However you perform on the range, expect 40-50% of that performance to evaporate. You might just end up needing the ring when on the range you wouldn't. At worst, it's completely out of your way and invisible when lined up correctly.
Completely disagree with the "it's a crutch" argument. too If it lowers the learning curve, it is by _definition_ , *superior* . Making that argument is like saying red dots and holo sights are a crutch, because you should be shooting with irons. Last time I checked I wasn't trying to get into a _fair_ gunfight. ACSS is the next step for optics, *Primary Arms* killing it, they need to license this to everyone on the optics industry tbh.
Love my 507acss. The giant circle is still useful even with experienced shooters. Especially when using it for tactical situations where you are clearing rooms or shooting from off angle barricades where you just cant do the muscle memory presentation. Most shooting is not static in the real world. Personally I think its a game changer
The PA ACSS Vulcan Reticle is NOT a crutch. I think it's just a better red dot. If red dots aren't a "Crutch" compared to iron sights, then this sight isn't a "Crutch" compared to a simple red dot. I also don't see this sight/reticle as "training wheels". Learning how to find the red dot by having a proper presentation is not diminished by having this sight/reticle, that still applies here. I see no good argument to use a simple red dot over this type of reticle.
I just installed one of these today. It's much easier to pick up the ACSS Vulcan reticle than the standard 507c reticle. The chevron is easier to pick up than the plain dot, and the guide ring makes it easy to get the chevron into the field of view.
I want this reticle in an enclosed-emitter RDS. That fits an RMR footprint. And that retains the ability to swap batteries without affecting zero. And also a smaller version that fits nicely on a G48 slide. I don't ask for much.
The closed emitter eliminates the possibility of an rmr footprint. Unless you want two tubes running vertically through your field of view for the mounting screws.
Lol. I feel you there. My bad. 😂. Hopefully I didn’t come off as snarky, wasn’t mu intent. Nothing wrong with that suggestion then. I’ll take two then😂🤣
As an RMR owner, Trijicon (and admittedly other optics companies) needs to advance. "Made in USA" and no innovation except when things don't work isn't a long term model IMO.
@@adamw4469 Yup, I was diehard Trijicon but Holosun has become my preferred MRDS brand. The value for money is just higher and the actual dot is has much less starburst than the RMR for me.
The training wheel issue can be addressed by simply turning the Circle off in the reticle when a shooter feels like he/she has reached a level of competency, but can easily be turned back on again if the need arises.
True. I was wondering if he'd mention that the circle can be turned off. I don't see why anyone would. If you get to a point where you don't need the circle, then you shouldn't be seeing it anyways. Why turn it off?
This is the optic I went with for my wife's 26 build. She will never train as often as I would like her to and her eye sight is really bad. She always loved my holosun that I have on my 19 and this just put her over the top. No more fishing! This optic could save her life or my childrens life someday!
This dot is amazing. Definitely takes some getting used to at first but that reticle is a game changer, especially shooting from odd positions and/or one handed.
Excellent synopsis Aaron. This is the video I've been waiting for. This reticle pushed me off the fence and into the red dot game for all the reasons you mentioned. Only 300 or so rounds with it so far, but I absolutely love it. It's so intuitive. I'll be using this for your 2 day RDS class this August in Lebanon IN.
@@takumif7056 I am curious why my link to the SD training calendar keeps getting deleted. I have posted it twice now, and it went 'poof' both times. Sage Dynamics dot org slash calendar
@@MCgrease08 Hey man, that happens to me all the time on here! YT is really censoring our speech and no one is batting an eye. I usually get comment notifications on replies and I didn’t get one for either of the two comments you posted but I really appreciate you for continuing to try!
Sean, the 507c uses a 2 moa dot with a 32 moa circle. This uses a 10 moa Chevron with a very large circle which is different and will not be seen when at arms length with the Chevron centered.
@@brentboyce2959 I know -- I'm saying that what Student Operator says he'd love to see already exists as 507C. I know this is a different 507 because of the reticle differences from the regular 507C. I have the 503 with this ACSS Vulcan reticle setup and like it -- and I'm thinking about getting a 507 with the same reticle array. But I'd need to be patient based on the backorder status at Primary Arms.
@@seanoneil277 as I read his reply he wants a center dot not a chevron in this style of reticle which is not the same as what comes with the 507c-x2. Maybe I took his comment differently than you.
@@brentboyce2959 Maybe you did, I'm not sure and I can't know what's in your mind! What I'm saying is that the standard 507C comes with center 2moa dot. Aaron is testing the version with ACSS Vulcan -- which isn't the standard 507C, but rather is a result of a joint project between Primary Arms and Holosun. They're both 507C in basic label but have different suffixes to the 507C designation. You can verify what I'm saying by checking Holosun's webpage for 507C, and then comparing that info to Primary Arms' webpage for this particular ACSS Vulcan version. I promise I'm not making this up for internet kicks, I don't do that stuff. If you're talking about having BOTH the ACSS Vulcan chevron, and the 2moa center dot, as programming options in the same RDS optic -- I would agree it's a good idea and you'll see I commented elsewhere in these comments to that effect. I suspect that would cause a pricing upcharge from what exists currently in the HS 503 alternatives, though. Primary Arms did the same with the HS 503 enclosed tube red dot, the "Paralow" version has the ACSS Vulcan chevron reticle, whereas the standard HS 503 has a center dot reticle. I've heard that Holosun does other RDS contracting for mfrs who sell Holosun guts etc with their own branding. Don't know whether that is true. Have heard that Holosun does Sig Sauer's Romeo. Maybe Aaron knows?
I was about to say the same thing. I use the circle-dot reticle on my 509 and it definitely helps pick it up faster, but harder to see the target at longer distances. Maybe blow up the circle bigger....
@@travismacaluso2957 I just went for a 509. It's great. But at distance smaller targets are more challenging to see through the circle dot. Up close it's awesome though.
If I remember correctly, in Mrgunsngear's review of this reticle, you had the option of turning the circle off so that you only had the chevron. If so, once you wanted to "take off the training wheels", you could just turn it to chevron only.
question is WHY ... its a feature that helps correct mistakes, under stress its more likely to make a mistake... dont know about you but in the self defense scenario with adrenaline going through the roof i would want every and any advantage i can get... "training wheels" or not if it gets me higher chance of not getting hurt ill take it....
@@Asghaad I'm not saying that I would turn them off. I was just pointing out that if you wanted to, it's an option. I agree, any training wheels sort of advantage I can have on the guy trying to harm me or mine, I will take. When you are fighting for your life, there is no cheating, just increasing your odds of survival.
I think for skilled users, the training wheels can be a safety net in case you had to acquire the site in an unconventional position or some other situation that compromises your sight acquisition.
Thank you. I purchased this model as my first pistol red dot, to help teach me to use red dots. The plan is to eventually replace it and put on my wife's (future) pistol for her to train with. 🤞🙏🤞
The Vulcan also has a reticle section that drops the circle and its just the chevron. Very similar to the other Holosun's that allow you to switch between dot, circle dot, or just circle. Awesome review 👍
I wish they had the outer ring with a standard dot instead of that chevron. I still love mine, I also got 8 months of battery life with mine with the stock battery.
I have one and while I have developed the muscle memory for shooting RDS's its nice to have a reminder or a guide when shooting from a un-practiced position like under a barricade or off dominant hand. I like it so much I have ordered 2 more for my other guns. Now they need to make a mini-RDS for the popular smaller sized carry guns. I too would also like the dot and not the inverted chevron.
Aaron, to expand on how this reticle can act as a crutch, the review failed to mention that the outer ring can be turned off. Good on Holosun for giving the shooter this option, now it’s up to the shooter further their skill set.
Thank you Aaron! I'm a new shooter, and I keep hearing that I need to learn how to use iron sights before I use a red dot. I saw it as more of a right of passage than utility. Red dot is a more efficient sight, so that's what I want to use.
Excellent video. Wish I could’ve seen more of you shooting in unconventional positions. I believe it’s in scenarios like this that make this reticle really shine.
Excellent video! (I'm now a new subscriber.) One thing often overlooked is that some geezers still shoot. I've been shooing since age 6 (yes really) and reloading since age 14. At 74 years old, I'm still active, motorcycling on interstate trips, etc. - However... aging eyes are an issue. I still see 20-20, but the task of focusing on there planes at once is WAY more difficult as one ages. (I appreciate your mentioning that task for any age). I just bought this exact Holosun red dot model (not my first red dot, but IS my first PISTOL red dot). Rifle or pistol, I'm impressed at the ability to target focus and simply superimpose the reticle whether I have the large circle turned on or off. In my case, I live in the rural foothills of SW Colorado and have issues with skunks, reckons, etc. mostly AT NIGHT. With my head light on my forehead and this red dot sight, I'm about as well off as with a rifle and low power scope (a bit difficult to aim the headlight and scope at the same time. With the pistol red dot, I can square up with the target (isosceles) , keep my headlight on the skunk easily and acquire the red dot quite easily. With a rifle I must turn my light onto my left forehead as I should the arm - no good. Just got the Holoson, so only dry firing night or day (under 67 inches on new snow... so no small animals at the moment.) No wonder pros use them in allowable classes of competition! Thanks again, great vid!
My dot hangs up a Gone Fishing sign sometimes when I’m shooting support hand only on a hard lean from cover or similarly off angle positions - I think the big MOA circle would benefit dot shooters at any level of proficiency with zero downside - maybe every pistol RDS should just have one ?
It would be awesome to see this reticle as one of 2 available/swappable options on a 507. When you grow out of it you could take the optic off and turn off the ring.
I run a glock 45 with the same plus 5 extended base plates Aaron has on his gun here, as well as this exact optic for my duty gun. Very pleased with this optic!
Awesome review, very informative video, well done 👏. I always enjoy your videos!! At my age, based on your review of the Holosun 507C I finally bought one for my G-19. I'm still trying to get use to lining up the dot correctly from the draw, practice (Training) is the key, alot the dryfire training and live fire training. Stay Safe and Watch your Six Brother!!!
Nice shooting, I'm in love with my 507c ACSS in green. I totally agree about a dot option, hopefully someday we can have multiple reticles with different MOA's/colors on a single closed emitter platform. Next step is a good trigger instead of stock.
Hermano usted es un gran tirador yo miro su video para aprender de usted gracias por este video y yo sigo mirado lo que usted pone para aprenderse usted gracias por su esfuerzo
I would argue that if someone isn’t going to put in the time to develop proper rds handgun technique, then they would greatly benefit from the acss Vulcan reticle. If you put in enough time eventually you won’t need it but not everyone will.
@@StevenL00 I just bought and received mine 2 weeks ago from kenzies optics. They are coming in stock here and there but selling out relatively quickly, but they were back ordered for months prior to this due to a lawsuit from Trijicon.
I also would like the reticle with just a dot, not a fan of chevrons. Also, I’d like to see this or similar make it into the 507K model. Given the small widow size I think this would be helpful there as it takes an even more precise presentation on the small pistols/optics.
Couple years ago I gave up trying to locate the dot on my MRDS optics. Went back to irons. Then, some months ago, I decided to give the Vulcan reticle a try. Lo and behold, I no longer "search" for the dot upon presentation or recoil. The chevron is THERE ! It is so intuitive that for me, there is no train-up to find the dot. I now have a second ACSS Vulcan incoming. My red dot MRDS are now relegated to sitting in the box on a shelf.
I'd like to see an RMR shaped optic that is similar in size to the SRO for duty use. Then you'd have a nice large window along with the added rigidity of the RMR design.
The one to rule them pistol dots forever, I really hope they use the reticle on the 509 enclosed model and make the 509 in a picatinny ACSS CQB reticle setup.
@@seanoneil277 I have seen it and the Primary Arms micro ACSS and their SLX MD 25 , I am just proposing to spread the goodness even further. And thankfully Mr Dimitri at PA has a keen ear for feedback. I currently have a PA prism 5x with a 503 Green dot on top and I would like to change to a PA Pegasus 5x magnifier and an MD 25 green dot ACSS CQB setup. I prefer the MD 20 red dot frame much better than the MD 25 which has enlarged controls and restricts peripheral view and I hope the 25 gets a facelift upon final production.
I have no problem finding the dot. Its easy to find standing still punching paper. It’s ina fighting situation that’s dynamic, is when it’s hard to find
Awesome video! I’ve seen many great review on this optic so I ordered one today coincidentally. I was on the fence given I’m not as proficient with my iron sights as I want to be (perfectionist) but still not bad with them. I’m getting better especially after training. I also wondered (like you addressed) if this reticle would make me lazy and if lose my proficiency with my iron sights. I was thinking about getting a second slide for this optic so I don’t have to keep removing it then just switch out the slides when I want to use irons. Anyhow, thanks for the video. Perfect timing 👍🏻
Get suppressor height sights and turn off your red dot for training with your irons. The holosun on a slide cut or optics ready slide is low enough to use the irons. They’re cheaper than another slide.
No matter how much you practice shooting at a range, you don’t know how you are going to react in a real shooting situation (your body may not be in a standing straight up position) especially if someone is shooting back. The Vulcan reticle is not a training wheel for newbies. That’s really an ignorant, naive argument. I want it on my red dot in case I ever need it in a real situation. Also the ACSS arrow reticle is much better than a dot if you have astigmatism (which I personally do) and allows for a more accurate point of aim if you need it (arrow is infinite) vs. a dot that will cover the target the farther out the shot.
I honestly see the circle as a really good thing to have with awkward positioning of trying to aim your target. But I do see how the statement about "becoming lazy" can be there but I find it much better for a higher coverage for positioning.
Aaron, big fan of your videos. Very informative and honest. You may have saved us all some headaches and wasted money. I recently came across Swamp Fox optics and was curious if you were able to obtain and run performance tests on some if thier RDS..
One thing you forgot to mention is that you can turn the outer ring off and just use the Chevron when you feel you've developed the muscle memory to shoot without it.
Think your point about having to much information for a red dot on a pistol is a good one. I’ve been putting red dots on my pistols because it is easier to acquire the dot and place on target than iron sights. I don’t think of a pistol as a long range weapon. My focus is self defense inside 25 yards.
The version I have has the capability to turn off the outer ring, so once you are proficient with it, you can turn those "Training Wheels" off. Not sure if that has always been the case since you didn't mention that in the video.
I am honored to see your review on it. -Dimitri
I like your work, sir
This reticle needs to be offered on all Holosuns handgun optics...heck all brands optics lol
Dimitri - This is super needed on the 507K models for the compacts. It has a much smaller window and it can be hard to pick up the dot at first in the smaller sights. I never loose the dot on the full size but I do struggle on the K version at times. I like this recital and would love to see this come to the smaller packages too.
The best optic I’ve used so far as someone who is visually impaired.
can't wait until we get it for the K series from Holosun
The big outter ring that's only partially visible when you aren't properly aligned is a hell of an idea
You should watch the part where he talks about that.
@@HBCuatro he doesn't mention it at all tbh.
The guys at primary arms really know what they’re doing
It reminds me of the circular damage indicator from fps games. "Aim this way, idiot!" Really dummyproof tech
@@TXAslingr 2:40
Unlike my wife, Aaron always knows what I want and need
Oooooh, I'm tellin!!!
yikes
Facts.
Your wife always knows what I want 😂
had to
@@appliedperformance773 well whenever y'all get done tell her the dog needs a bath this weekend and I have to work
An experienced shooter would immediately recognize the benefit of the Vulcan if they were told to do a cold drill with their support hand only
An experienced shooter would also immediately recognize the benefits if they were told to shoot through a (I think it’s called) VTAC barrier. The one with the different cuts in the “wall” usually see ppl do it with rifles.
We have noticed much better times in our testing with it, under NV and dynamic shooting it really comes into it’s own.
I got the vulcan a few months ago and I'll never buy another optic (for a handgun at least). Its that good. Such a simple idea but its a game changer.
Great aspect of this sight that wasn't (unless I missed it), mentioned by Aaron: you can turn off the outer ring. So, once you're used to the red dot you don't have to be stuck with "training wheels" so to speak. Also, great for shooting at odd angles like barricades, cars, etc.
Yeah he talked about it for 2-3 minutes in the middle of the video...
@@EastCoastMan603 ah, I must have been lulled into a stupor by what seemed like about $100,000 worth of 9mm being expended.
The ACSS was made for combat pistol, when the rounds are cracking by I ll take any advantage I can get
I was hoping he'd droptest a printout of the reticle.
This is super needed on the 507K models for the micro compacts. It has a much smaller window and it can be hard to pick up the dot at first in the smaller sights. I never loose the dot on the full size but I do struggle on the K version at times. I like this recital and would love to see this come to the sig365/hellcat/ ect sights.
Hard to believe Aaron doesn't have a million subs. Simply the best out there.
I want to know when the madlad over at primary arms will put this reticle in the 507k, and put an ACSS in the 510C and make everyone happy.
That's what I want. 507k with this.
if you want a rifle dot there's the 503G, it's a T2 style micro dot with acss in it, and you can get it with a magnifier
@@StevenL00
I'm already waiting on primary arms' MD25 with the ACSS coming out in a few months. Just thought it would be amazing to put the ACSS on a large rifle open reflex sight for more flexibility.
@@mghegotagun well, now I'd really hope they'd do that for the 512C, closed emitter, large window, it's gonna be amazing. If only Holosun will crank out more of these…
I believe that the ring is a great tool even for those who don't need the "training wheels." Where it really shines is in self defense scenarios where you may be ducking behind cover and shooting at weird angles or off-handed. You simply don't always have the opportunity to present properly like you do on the range. Hell, I don't have a chips-ahoy display on my range to practice on.
It's also important to remember that the adrenaline dump you'll likely experience when defending yourself significantly reduces your fine motor skills. However you perform on the range, expect 40-50% of that performance to evaporate. You might just end up needing the ring when on the range you wouldn't. At worst, it's completely out of your way and invisible when lined up correctly.
Very well said
Completely disagree with the "it's a crutch" argument. too
If it lowers the learning curve, it is by _definition_ , *superior* .
Making that argument is like saying red dots and holo sights are a crutch, because you should be shooting with irons.
Last time I checked I wasn't trying to get into a _fair_ gunfight.
ACSS is the next step for optics, *Primary Arms* killing it, they need to license this to everyone on the optics industry tbh.
Love my 507acss. The giant circle is still useful even with experienced shooters. Especially when using it for tactical situations where you are clearing rooms or shooting from off angle barricades where you just cant do the muscle memory presentation. Most shooting is not static in the real world. Personally I think its a game changer
The PA ACSS Vulcan Reticle is NOT a crutch. I think it's just a better red dot. If red dots aren't a "Crutch" compared to iron sights, then this sight isn't a "Crutch" compared to a simple red dot. I also don't see this sight/reticle as "training wheels". Learning how to find the red dot by having a proper presentation is not diminished by having this sight/reticle, that still applies here. I see no good argument to use a simple red dot over this type of reticle.
Even if it was just the chevron, it would be better... I love the chevron.
@@cypheir you can turn off the circle, and just have the chevron
@@nfaisnfgay yes you can
I just installed one of these today. It's much easier to pick up the ACSS Vulcan reticle than the standard 507c reticle. The chevron is easier to pick up than the plain dot, and the guide ring makes it easy to get the chevron into the field of view.
I want this reticle in an enclosed-emitter RDS. That fits an RMR footprint. And that retains the ability to swap batteries without affecting zero. And also a smaller version that fits nicely on a G48 slide.
I don't ask for much.
you only speak of perfectly ok requests
This
The closed emitter eliminates the possibility of an rmr footprint. Unless you want two tubes running vertically through your field of view for the mounting screws.
@@christoperdevore3617 I'm not saying that what I want is possible, I'm just saying I want it. ;)
Lol. I feel you there. My bad. 😂. Hopefully I didn’t come off as snarky, wasn’t mu intent. Nothing wrong with that suggestion then. I’ll take two then😂🤣
I want this on a 509T.
Same!
👆🏼
Yep, I’d be fine with the standard reticle with the addition of the large circle in the 509T.
@@Jake-ug2mf Same, TBH.
I like the 507 but it is impossible to keep that window clean.
These budget (not cheap) companies are really making waves.
As an RMR owner, Trijicon (and admittedly other optics companies) needs to advance. "Made in USA" and no innovation except when things don't work isn't a long term model IMO.
Holosun definitely takes pride in what they do
@@adamw4469 Yup, I was diehard Trijicon but Holosun has become my preferred MRDS brand. The value for money is just higher and the actual dot is has much less starburst than the RMR for me.
The waves are coming from Demitri the designer of all the ACSS reticles
@@jcarter7731 Holosun is using Demitris reticle it’s not theirs
The training wheel issue can be addressed by simply turning the Circle off in the reticle when a shooter feels like he/she has reached a level of competency, but can easily be turned back on again if the need arises.
True. I was wondering if he'd mention that the circle can be turned off. I don't see why anyone would. If you get to a point where you don't need the circle, then you shouldn't be seeing it anyways. Why turn it off?
@@postingwhateveriwant Longer battery life by not having the extra circle being projected.
This was designed using SF/ LE Dimitri has spoke about it depth
@@CallsignWulf you can run this optic at full blast for more than a year ... "battery life" is kinda a moot point with these
This is the optic I went with for my wife's 26 build. She will never train as often as I would like her to and her eye sight is really bad. She always loved my holosun that I have on my 19 and this just put her over the top. No more fishing! This optic could save her life or my childrens life someday!
This dot is amazing. Definitely takes some getting used to at first but that reticle is a game changer, especially shooting from odd positions and/or one handed.
Solid review as always
This
@@The_John_Galt that.
@@01HondaS2kXD this and that
Agreed
Excellent synopsis Aaron. This is the video I've been waiting for. This reticle pushed me off the fence and into the red dot game for all the reasons you mentioned. Only 300 or so rounds with it so far, but I absolutely love it. It's so intuitive.
I'll be using this for your 2 day RDS class this August in Lebanon IN.
No way, any spots left in that class and where would one sign up?
@@takumif7056 I am curious why my link to the SD training calendar keeps getting deleted. I have posted it twice now, and it went 'poof' both times.
Sage Dynamics dot org slash calendar
@@MCgrease08 Hey man, that happens to me all the time on here! YT is really censoring our speech and no one is batting an eye. I usually get comment notifications on replies and I didn’t get one for either of the two comments you posted but I really appreciate you for continuing to try!
"In my experience" your experience is 10 lifetimes of experience for my piece.
I agree, I would love to see it with just a center dot as opposed to the chevron
HS 507C X2 is that!
Sean, the 507c uses a 2 moa dot with a 32 moa circle. This uses a 10 moa Chevron with a very large circle which is different and will not be seen when at arms length with the Chevron centered.
@@brentboyce2959 I know -- I'm saying that what Student Operator says he'd love to see already exists as 507C. I know this is a different 507 because of the reticle differences from the regular 507C. I have the 503 with this ACSS Vulcan reticle setup and like it -- and I'm thinking about getting a 507 with the same reticle array. But I'd need to be patient based on the backorder status at Primary Arms.
@@seanoneil277 as I read his reply he wants a center dot not a chevron in this style of reticle which is not the same as what comes with the 507c-x2. Maybe I took his comment differently than you.
@@brentboyce2959 Maybe you did, I'm not sure and I can't know what's in your mind! What I'm saying is that the standard 507C comes with center 2moa dot. Aaron is testing the version with ACSS Vulcan -- which isn't the standard 507C, but rather is a result of a joint project between Primary Arms and Holosun. They're both 507C in basic label but have different suffixes to the 507C designation. You can verify what I'm saying by checking Holosun's webpage for 507C, and then comparing that info to Primary Arms' webpage for this particular ACSS Vulcan version. I promise I'm not making this up for internet kicks, I don't do that stuff.
If you're talking about having BOTH the ACSS Vulcan chevron, and the 2moa center dot, as programming options in the same RDS optic -- I would agree it's a good idea and you'll see I commented elsewhere in these comments to that effect. I suspect that would cause a pricing upcharge from what exists currently in the HS 503 alternatives, though.
Primary Arms did the same with the HS 503 enclosed tube red dot, the "Paralow" version has the ACSS Vulcan chevron reticle, whereas the standard HS 503 has a center dot reticle.
I've heard that Holosun does other RDS contracting for mfrs who sell Holosun guts etc with their own branding. Don't know whether that is true. Have heard that Holosun does Sig Sauer's Romeo. Maybe Aaron knows?
I'm glad I got ahold of one of these early on. They're probably gonna be hard to get for quite a while
I just bought one. Waiting for delivery. That large outer ring can be deactivated when you're ready for "training wheels" to come off
You ordered this model?
now they just need to shove it in the 509T and we'd be set.
I was about to say the same thing. I use the circle-dot reticle on my 509 and it definitely helps pick it up faster, but harder to see the target at longer distances. Maybe blow up the circle bigger....
@@travismacaluso2957 I just went for a 509. It's great. But at distance smaller targets are more challenging to see through the circle dot. Up close it's awesome though.
*507k
@@GunFunZS should be standard on all of them tbh.
If I remember correctly, in Mrgunsngear's review of this reticle, you had the option of turning the circle off so that you only had the chevron. If so, once you wanted to "take off the training wheels", you could just turn it to chevron only.
question is WHY ... its a feature that helps correct mistakes, under stress its more likely to make a mistake...
dont know about you but in the self defense scenario with adrenaline going through the roof i would want every and any advantage i can get... "training wheels" or not if it gets me higher chance of not getting hurt ill take it....
@@Asghaad I'm not saying that I would turn them off. I was just pointing out that if you wanted to, it's an option. I agree, any training wheels sort of advantage I can have on the guy trying to harm me or mine, I will take. When you are fighting for your life, there is no cheating, just increasing your odds of survival.
@@Asghaad saves battery life is about the only reason
You knock it Out of the park with all your videos
Just waiting for the 507k to come out with this reticle, but like you said, I think I would prefer it in a 2 moa Dot configuration.
I think for skilled users, the training wheels can be a safety net in case you had to acquire the site in an unconventional position or some other situation that compromises your sight acquisition.
yeah exactly, I am a skilled shooter and when under vehicles or barricades the ACSS is a huge help
Yep. If I have to defend my life, I'll take any cheats, luck, or "training wheels" I can get. I don't care about being hardcore.
@@why6212 what you just said is what a lot of high level shooters fail to remember sometimes.
Thanks again for another Great video. I'm about to pull the trigger on this unit but in the green.
ACSS is way ahead of the competition
That fighter pilot hud thing was cool as hell. I didn't even realize that was possible.
Aarons reviews are always amazing. You are appreciated man.
It's absolutely amazing It's like looking through an acog
The ACSS is revolutionary
I wish Eotech would make a mini type holographic sight for a hand gun. An RMR size Eotech would be the bomb!
I’d buy it day 1!!
It's be interesting to see if the smaller size might up the battery life!
But with better battery life 😵
I wonder if they keep their famous silhouette
Well buddy you’re in luck!
Its a oft used phrase, but it applies none the less: Game changer
Thank you.
I purchased this model as my first pistol red dot, to help teach me to use red dots. The plan is to eventually replace it and put on my wife's (future) pistol for her to train with.
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The Vulcan also has a reticle section that drops the circle and its just the chevron. Very similar to the other Holosun's that allow you to switch between dot, circle dot, or just circle. Awesome review 👍
I wonder if theres a circle only option too, for sawn off shotguns... ;-)
it’s nothing like other holosun reticles I have both, the ACSS is way better
@@brassvulcher8207 I know the reticle is total different. I'm referring to the ability to change reticles
personally i would prefer if they added the 32MOA circle from the usual circledot to this
@@Asghaad that would make it a mess, the Vulcan is perfection
I wish they had the outer ring with a standard dot instead of that chevron. I still love mine, I also got 8 months of battery life with mine with the stock battery.
I have one and while I have developed the muscle memory for shooting RDS's its nice to have a reminder or a guide when shooting from a un-practiced position like under a barricade or off dominant hand. I like it so much I have ordered 2 more for my other guns. Now they need to make a mini-RDS for the popular smaller sized carry guns. I too would also like the dot and not the inverted chevron.
Aaron, to expand on how this reticle can act as a crutch, the review failed to mention that the outer ring can be turned off.
Good on Holosun for giving the shooter this option, now it’s up to the shooter further their skill set.
that's actually great to know and now I'm sold.
Thank you Aaron! I'm a new shooter, and I keep hearing that I need to learn how to use iron sights before I use a red dot. I saw it as more of a right of passage than utility. Red dot is a more efficient sight, so that's what I want to use.
Once PA releases their closed emitter version of this I'm getting one lol
Yep, best option ever.
Same
Agreed...hopefully its not a "mailbox" mounted to the slide👍
@@pmorin313 the 509T is much smaller than the Aimpoint ACRO. Looks a lot less mailbox-y. I have one on my 19 and it’s honestly not that obnoxious
@@lf2245 they'll evolve, it won't be long before closed emitter is the standard, its the achilles heel in pistol mounted dots.
Excellent video. Wish I could’ve seen more of you shooting in unconventional positions. I believe it’s in scenarios like this that make this reticle really shine.
Please put this reticle in the 507K supa-mini, like yesterday! 🙏🏼
1 Year Lat-or. 😞
Excellent video! (I'm now a new subscriber.) One thing often overlooked is that some geezers still shoot. I've been shooing since age 6 (yes really) and reloading since age 14. At 74 years old, I'm still active, motorcycling on interstate trips, etc. - However... aging eyes are an issue. I still see 20-20, but the task of focusing on there planes at once is WAY more difficult as one ages. (I appreciate your mentioning that task for any age). I just bought this exact Holosun red dot model (not my first red dot, but IS my first PISTOL red dot). Rifle or pistol, I'm impressed at the ability to target focus and simply superimpose the reticle whether I have the large circle turned on or off. In my case, I live in the rural foothills of SW Colorado and have issues with skunks, reckons, etc. mostly AT NIGHT. With my head light on my forehead and this red dot sight, I'm about as well off as with a rifle and low power scope (a bit difficult to aim the headlight and scope at the same time. With the pistol red dot, I can square up with the target (isosceles) , keep my headlight on the skunk easily and acquire the red dot quite easily. With a rifle I must turn my light onto my left forehead as I should the arm - no good. Just got the Holoson, so only dry firing night or day (under 67 inches on new snow... so no small animals at the moment.) No wonder pros use them in allowable classes of competition! Thanks again, great vid!
Such a brilliant idea for a product.
This review came much faster than I anticipated/hoped. Liking the beard my man 👍
That sounds bad. lol
My dot hangs up a Gone Fishing sign sometimes when I’m shooting support hand only on a hard lean from cover or similarly off angle positions - I think the big MOA circle would benefit dot shooters at any level of proficiency with zero downside - maybe every pistol RDS should just have one ?
It would be awesome to see this reticle as one of 2 available/swappable options on a 507. When you grow out of it you could take the optic off and turn off the ring.
You can turn off the outer ring.
I run a glock 45 with the same plus 5 extended base plates Aaron has on his gun here, as well as this exact optic for my duty gun. Very pleased with this optic!
Awesome review, very informative video, well done 👏. I always enjoy your videos!! At my age, based on your review of the Holosun 507C I finally bought one for my G-19. I'm still trying to get use to lining up the dot correctly from the draw, practice (Training) is the key, alot the dryfire training and live fire training. Stay Safe and Watch your Six Brother!!!
03:32 i admire Aarons dedication to draw us a smiley face.
I think the beauty of this Optic configuration is that you can turn that large circle off and work on your proficiency without the "training wheels"
Nice shooting, I'm in love with my 507c ACSS in green. I totally agree about a dot option, hopefully someday we can have multiple reticles with different MOA's/colors on a single closed emitter platform. Next step is a good trigger instead of stock.
Nice! I agree that the 'Vulcan' with a dot would be awesome! Thanks for giving us a look at it.
Hermano usted es un gran tirador yo miro su video para aprender de usted gracias por este video y yo sigo mirado lo que usted pone para aprenderse usted gracias por su esfuerzo
I would argue that if someone isn’t going to put in the time to develop proper rds handgun technique, then they would greatly benefit from the acss Vulcan reticle. If you put in enough time eventually you won’t need it but not everyone will.
I'll buy it once it's readily available, been wanting one since last year but I can wait.
Same here... Thing is, when I first knew they were available it was a Feb. delivery time. Then March.
Could have had it by now!
they stock it regularly though?
@@StevenL00 I just bought and received mine 2 weeks ago from kenzies optics. They are coming in stock here and there but selling out relatively quickly, but they were back ordered for months prior to this due to a lawsuit from Trijicon.
He cracks me up how serious he tries to look when he shoots. But I love the content. Lol. Keep up the good work.
I think the section from 11:16 to 11:21 is a very good example of how to transition between the targets; gun follows the eyes.
Aaron is a teacher.
I was super excited to get your review of this reticle. Keep hoping they will put it in a 509T too.
Great review, as always. Got mine yesterday. Can’t wait to test it out tomorrow’s work.
I also would like the reticle with just a dot, not a fan of chevrons. Also, I’d like to see this or similar make it into the 507K model. Given the small widow size I think this would be helpful there as it takes an even more precise presentation on the small pistols/optics.
I currently carry a 365xl with 507k optic and absolutely agree that this reticle would be even more beneficial on those smaller micro red dot sights
Great review!! Way more insight and info than any other reviews I’ve seen on this.
Great optic for edc! 💯🍻
Couple years ago I gave up trying to locate the dot on my MRDS optics. Went back to irons. Then, some months ago, I decided to give the Vulcan reticle a try.
Lo and behold, I no longer "search" for the dot upon presentation or recoil. The chevron is THERE ! It is so intuitive that for me, there is no train-up to find the dot. I now have a second ACSS Vulcan incoming. My red dot MRDS are now relegated to sitting in the box on a shelf.
This is a brilliant idea.
I found this video to be advantageous.
Put this F-ing reticle in the SRO or holosun make a big widow dot for us competition people.
I'd love to see a competition focused Holosun with bigger glass. The SRO is great but the overhang limits the mounting options.
I'd like to see an RMR shaped optic that is similar in size to the SRO for duty use. Then you'd have a nice large window along with the added rigidity of the RMR design.
Work with what you got, they obviously don’t have a big enough audience to cater for lol
This video is very " advantageous " 🤣 Thank you for the quality content as always Sir! Keep on keeping on Brother! 🇺🇸🤘🏼
So awesome and that night vision HUD look totally amazing 👍
Watching SageDynamics videos is very advantageous to my firearm performance.
Thank you for your service.
This will be my first red dot. Arrives Monday I can not wait to try it out.
The one to rule them pistol dots forever, I really hope they use the reticle on the 509 enclosed model and make the 509 in a picatinny ACSS CQB reticle setup.
Andreas, check out the HS 503 Paralow.
@@seanoneil277 I have seen it and the Primary Arms micro ACSS and their SLX MD 25 , I am just proposing to spread the goodness even further. And thankfully Mr Dimitri at PA has a keen ear for feedback. I currently have a PA prism 5x with a 503 Green dot on top and I would like to change to a PA Pegasus 5x magnifier and an MD 25 green dot ACSS CQB setup. I prefer the MD 20 red dot frame much better than the MD 25 which has enlarged controls and restricts peripheral view and I hope the 25 gets a facelift upon final production.
I have no problem finding the dot. Its easy to find standing still punching paper. It’s ina fighting situation that’s dynamic, is when it’s hard to find
Primary Arms just uploaded a video of the green reticle version too!
Please put this in the 508T….. thanks. 👍🏻
Awesome video! I’ve seen many great review on this optic so I ordered one today coincidentally. I was on the fence given I’m not as proficient with my iron sights as I want to be (perfectionist) but still not bad with them. I’m getting better especially after training. I also wondered (like you addressed) if this reticle would make me lazy and if lose my proficiency with my iron sights. I was thinking about getting a second slide for this optic so I don’t have to keep removing it then just switch out the slides when I want to use irons. Anyhow, thanks for the video. Perfect timing 👍🏻
Get suppressor height sights and turn off your red dot for training with your irons. The holosun on a slide cut or optics ready slide is low enough to use the irons. They’re cheaper than another slide.
Very cool tech. Thanks for all your work.
No matter how much you practice shooting at a range, you don’t know how you are going to react in a real shooting situation (your body may not be in a standing straight up position) especially if someone is shooting back. The Vulcan reticle is not a training wheel for newbies. That’s really an ignorant, naive argument. I want it on my red dot in case I ever need it in a real situation. Also the ACSS arrow reticle is much better than a dot if you have astigmatism (which I personally do) and allows for a more accurate point of aim if you need it (arrow is infinite) vs. a dot that will cover the target the farther out the shot.
You are wrong.
@@NOLATAC You are wrong.
It's called a chevron not an arrow
@@PoopSunday “well actually” 🤓
Watching all this ammo being blown up makes me want to cry
It’s all repeat scenes 🤣
Trijicon already uses ACSS in the ACOG, wonder why they haven't offered in SRO or RMR yet?
I honestly see the circle as a really good thing to have with awkward positioning of trying to aim your target. But I do see how the statement about "becoming lazy" can be there but I find it much better for a higher coverage for positioning.
I learn a lot from your videos. Appreciate it.
I've been waiting for this one!!! Thanks brother!!! Just wish they were available.
Aaron, big fan of your videos. Very informative and honest. You may have saved us all some headaches and wasted money. I recently came across Swamp Fox optics and was curious if you were able to obtain and run performance tests on some if thier RDS..
If I was to get a holosun this would be the one. Would be great on my racey G34 build I'd imagine.
If only they had it in a single stack size
@@stealingfire5036 wouldn't be surprised if they ready have one in the works.
3:33 that target is happy to see me
Then it wasn’t.
One thing you forgot to mention is that you can turn the outer ring off and just use the Chevron when you feel you've developed the muscle memory to shoot without it.
Great info! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Rick
You are an absolute machine. Great videos
Excellent review as usual.
Got mine yesterday. Love it
Think your point about having to much information for a red dot on a pistol is a good one. I’ve been putting red dots on my pistols because it is easier to acquire the dot and place on target than iron sights. I don’t think of a pistol as a long range weapon. My focus is self defense inside 25 yards.
The version I have has the capability to turn off the outer ring, so once you are proficient with it, you can turn those "Training Wheels" off. Not sure if that has always been the case since you didn't mention that in the video.
I've got the new Holosun 508T x2 in green dot coming real soon; wish I had the choice to use this reticle though!