Behringer UB-Xa vs Oberheim OB-Xa factory presets no FX

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  • Опубліковано 6 гру 2023
  • As a member of the beta testing team I reprogrammed all the 104 legendary factory presets on the UB-Xa. I shot this video in May 2022. This UB-Xa is one of the last revisions. There were some improvements. In this video we were not finished with the firmware. Based on our experience with the sound design, we have incorporated a few improvements that will now appear in the final version. Nevertheless, this video shows the UB-Xa in an almost finished state. We have gone into every detail to capture the character of the original as much as possible. The numerous parameters in the 8 mods made this possible. I made this video primarily to check my results. Due to the high demand for comparisons, I have decided to post this video and it is possible that a comparison of the latest version would be slightly different, just as even every OB-Xa is not exactly the same as another OB-Xa.
    I switched off the velocity and aftertouch plus switched off voices 9-16 for this video to get the same circumstances like on the Original. I also put the voices randomly for panning.
    Thanks for watching.

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  • @Rfx222
    @Rfx222 6 місяців тому +45

    It’s amazing how close they sound, keep in mind that these presets on the behringer are “hand made recreations” of the original rom patches from the obxa, not digital transfer of the parameters but only “by ear” aproximation of them, there’s no screen on the original to see the exact value of params… congrats to the programmer, fantastic job!!

    • @higgy7762
      @higgy7762 5 місяців тому +4

      right, a lot of the 'differences' are just slighlty different parametrisation. Some have different vibrato/LFO, sterephonic distribution, release etc. For sure working on an UB patch for hours and weeks can bring it close to the OB (or the other way round :)) . thus said, there a dozent or so sounds which are de facto identical - and some preset 'interpretations' sound richer/sweeter on the UB ;)

  • @brobocop8293
    @brobocop8293 6 місяців тому +23

    As soon as I saw this I grabbed some popcorn to watch all of the people who think they have ultra human hearing come on here and moan about how much better the original sounds lol. I wasn't disappointed.

    • @EarCandy-kg6di
      @EarCandy-kg6di 3 місяці тому +4

      I love that noobs think you need "ultra human hearing" to hear the difference between these two keyboards, lol....

    • @mirkomarkovic3438
      @mirkomarkovic3438 2 місяці тому +1

      They clearly sound different 😂

    • @John-lv6uj
      @John-lv6uj 2 місяці тому +2

      After hearing this you should know that Beringer took the insides of the OBX and just change the outside and in a song you would not be able to tell the difference between these two keyboard sounds. Stop fooling yourself, the Oberheim coast too HEAVENLY much.

    • @mirkomarkovic3438
      @mirkomarkovic3438 2 місяці тому

      @@John-lv6uj no they didn't. They reverse engineered it and it doesn't bring the same qualities the oberheim brings in a mix.

    • @henri-fillipbauer6579
      @henri-fillipbauer6579 2 місяці тому +1

      It’s ok for the price but I’d much rather buy the real one 😂

  • @AlexBallMusic
    @AlexBallMusic 6 місяців тому +68

    The differences are very minimal and probably what you'd get from comparing two originals.
    Congratulations, sounds like everyone did a fine job.
    [edit] Having listened to some sounds again on proper speakers (which I initially didn't), there's some sounds that are admittedly pretty different, even though many are very close. It's when the filter resonance is brought into play that the Oberheim strides ahead. But anyway, still sounds good overall.

    • @mwl5
      @mwl5 6 місяців тому +3

      Would love to see you do a video on this.

    • @daddyzhoam
      @daddyzhoam 6 місяців тому +2

      I guarantee the differences between two well-calibrated original OB-Xa’s would be a lot more subtle than what you hear in this video, it’s pretty drastic especially with regard to the filter

    • @AlexBallMusic
      @AlexBallMusic 6 місяців тому +8

      @@daddyzhoam Yes you're right, having listened again on proper speakers. At the 6 minute mark, the sweep comparison is a giveaway where the Behringer can't quite do it, but it's otherwise very well done for a £999 synth. I'd save up and get an OB-X8 if I was in the market, but that's not an option for many.

    • @daddyzhoam
      @daddyzhoam 6 місяців тому

      Yes, hard to argue with 16 VCOs at this price and it does sound good. But it deflates the dream a bit when you hear the original filter…

    • @toonvandenplas
      @toonvandenplas 6 місяців тому

      @AlexBallMusic ​Yes but the Behringer is mono/center Unison from what I hear at 6 minutes and the Obie has its voices always hardware panned as by it's pan settings on the circuit board potmeter... Also the Obie's resonance just seems to be a tad higher there ... Does the Behringer have only center unison?

  • @vintagesynths
    @vintagesynths  6 місяців тому +21

    I have to note: I switched off the velocity and aftertouch plus switched off voices 9-16 for this video to get the same circumstances like on the Original. I also put the voices randomly for panning.

    • @uwe_bike
      @uwe_bike 4 місяці тому

      Hi Rüdiger! Fantastic job on a fantastic synth!!! One question - which Vintage mode did you use?

    • @vintagesynths
      @vintagesynths  4 місяці тому +1

      @@uwe_bike​​⁠thanks, I used the UB-Xa mode, so the first plus I set the voices in panorama like on the original

  • @realqwave
    @realqwave 6 місяців тому +20

    The very best video, and I think the first video, showing these synths side by side. And with a recent Behringer Version and not an early prototype. Well done! Thanks!

  • @Sharkpuss
    @Sharkpuss 6 місяців тому +3

    Kudos. I was looking for exactly this comparison (which is excellent by the way).

  • @lovejazzloverap
    @lovejazzloverap 5 місяців тому +3

    I can't tell ant difference with my eyes closed, feels like I'm listening to the same audio twice

  • @UniQueWerkx
    @UniQueWerkx 6 місяців тому +11

    That's impressive!! Thank you very much for taking the time to post this!! Sounds like a winner for sure!! Wow!!

  • @Sturzi
    @Sturzi 6 місяців тому +29

    Rüdiger, you won the Internet today! That's a fine and accurate comparison of the two blue-striped. And I'm really stunned how similar they sound despite of all the negative comments in the forums. Seems like it was worth waiting the 6 years since it was announced (at least for those who don't want to spend the $$ for the Obie).

  • @checkitout611
    @checkitout611 6 місяців тому +12

    Awesome! There are subtle differences (mainly in brightness / presence). Looking forward to getting my UB-Xa for sure.

    • @housebandthexenos2569
      @housebandthexenos2569 5 місяців тому +1

      Ain't subtle to me! Up to where I am now, 3:11, the OBxa is significantly brighter and more open sounding even on my phone speaker. I can pick these 2 out from each other all day long.

    • @checkitout611
      @checkitout611 5 місяців тому +1

      @@housebandthexenos2569 It's funny because I felt the UB-Xa had the brighter sound (in most instances) and is what I was commenting on. I felt the OB had a touch more warmth. Both sounded good.

    • @housebandthexenos2569
      @housebandthexenos2569 5 місяців тому

      @@checkitout611 I was only going up to 3:11. Listen again it's obvious

    • @checkitout611
      @checkitout611 5 місяців тому +2

      @@housebandthexenos2569 Yes ... ONLY going up to that mark, I agree, the OB is brighter ... as a whole (listening to the full demo) the UB to me had brighter / more treble / presence which didn't make it better or worse, it was just a note.

  • @MKJ2DAY
    @MKJ2DAY 6 місяців тому +171

    Purists?? Smh.. lol! I own an OB-8 and the coolest thing about it, is to say I have one. It’s heavy, doesn’t always stay in tune, and fickle as all get out! You can’t tell me you’d know which was which on a record. Someone here said the Behringer sounds cheap…. Do you think you can’t get an OB-Xa to sound cheap?! You can, and it ain’t that hard. People don’t go to concerts to hear oscillators….. they go to hear music. To that end the Behringer sounds pretty fantastic to me. But what do I know… not enough I’m sure.

    • @jd808
      @jd808 6 місяців тому +8

      Have your OB-8 serviced, it sounds you struggle a bit

    • @MKJ2DAY
      @MKJ2DAY 6 місяців тому +12

      @@jd808No struggle at all. With the number of boards I have there’s really no need. But it’s a cool synth no doubt. 👍🏾

    • @MarkoDeLaVoota
      @MarkoDeLaVoota 6 місяців тому +5

      big ego is the problem ( I have real OBXA and you shouldn't )
      because, ahh ahh....it's real and old and ahh...shut up it's cheap
      ah people 🙄

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace 6 місяців тому +7

      TGD did a concert in Melbourne 2016, Sorcerer OST live to audience whilst the movie was playing, they used 2 TR8s controlled by Ableton, you could not get any purer talent that simply proves, it's not the instrument, but the artist.

    • @nonideal
      @nonideal 6 місяців тому +6

      @@MarkoDeLaVootayou sound fun at parties :P

  • @TheGuitaristChannel
    @TheGuitaristChannel 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you for this video! Pre-ordered mine! 😁

  • @xntricity6446
    @xntricity6446 6 місяців тому +7

    Thanks for this comparison ❤

  • @Eyepatchfilms
    @Eyepatchfilms 6 місяців тому +8

    Good enough for me. Getting one of these along with keeping my 6 voice OBSX

  • @roberthowells8044
    @roberthowells8044 6 місяців тому +1

    Wonderful comparison video, thank you

  • @KingstonMusician
    @KingstonMusician 5 місяців тому +3

    Behringer thanks for making this. As a former OB-Xa owner; thank you for letting me get this back without having to spend $10,000 🙏

  • @johnchiappone2163
    @johnchiappone2163 5 місяців тому +2

    That’s spot on! They both sound like the brown noise to me.

  • @brendanmurphy7624
    @brendanmurphy7624 6 місяців тому +5

    Nice job on the presets. You can definitely hear the difference in the filter but the oscillators sound spot on. Well done and thanks for the demo.

  • @derekjurovich
    @derekjurovich 6 місяців тому +9

    Simple blind test: I closed my eyes, pushed video forward to random location and i had no idea which was which.
    Plus the ub-xa does more, poly aftertouch, more sound design capabilities.

    • @andivax
      @andivax 3 місяці тому

      And more noise unfortunately

    • @MJDAWOLF
      @MJDAWOLF 17 днів тому

      Lol that will never be heard in a mix …..you’re all wankers!

  • @lfomelody756
    @lfomelody756 5 місяців тому +4

    To produce, I'll continue with the plugins, but I like having a real synthesizer to play, the experience, the speed to improvise, test ideas, create... in short, the fun part. behringer is making fun accessible for everyone!

  • @dayglo98
    @dayglo98 6 місяців тому +1

    Great job on the programming !

  • @LoveMeBack
    @LoveMeBack 6 місяців тому +4

    Couldn’t tell which was which while reading the comments.

  • @X22GJP
    @X22GJP 6 місяців тому +23

    Bearing in mind when this was shot, on the whole, to my ears the UB sounds a bit brighter, more harsh, but no less a synth for it. At the price it is, even just buying it as a Poly AT midi-controller alone would be sensible given the alternatives out there, especially if paired up to something like Omnisphere. The fact that there is a whole bi-timbral synth stuffed in there as well is a minor miracle (although I do feel that the routine £3,500-5000 figures we are seeing for new modern synths these days is a bit of a piss-take-band-wagon-because-we-can trend). Side-by-side on this and other more recent comparison videos, I prefer the character of the OB, but in isolation the UB objectively sounds really good, and would be completely indistinguishable to most people, especially in a mix. So yeah, a big well done to Behringer for providing access to the masses - think what you want of them, there's a market need and they fill it. If you don't like their ethics, vote with your wallet and either buy original hardware or a licensed soft-synth for even less originality.
    I'm on the lookout for my first and only poly synth to noodle about on. Seriously tempted by the UB, but the UDO Super Gemini just seems to have a much broader sonic palette. It also costs four times as much...that's the dilemma!

    • @tommyg5095
      @tommyg5095 6 місяців тому +2

      I have the Ub-Xa on pre-order. I'll buy fir exactly the reasons you stated so well. But, like you, I can't wait for the UDO SUPER GEMINI to come to the STATES. That synth is a no-brainer. I doubt seriously it needs to be priced so high, but regardless, that is going on the Rack. It will be in good company...

    • @X22GJP
      @X22GJP 6 місяців тому

      @@tommyg5095 I’ve spoken to George (UDO founder) at a synth convention in the UK. When you consider that they are a very small team, and the sheer amount of metal and custom hardware that’s gone into the Super Gemini, I can understand its cost - the price is defined by the parts and labour, and no corners have been cut. I’m sure the UB-Xa will serve you well, and would me too, but part of me likes the idea of supporting a smaller company who have built a unique synth with its own character.

    • @tommyg5095
      @tommyg5095 6 місяців тому

      @@X22GJP
      I am definitely sending my cash to George at UDO. CAN'T WAIT....

    • @MFASonic
      @MFASonic 5 місяців тому

      Yes, this might be a use case, taking the UB as a master keyboard for a GrooveSynthesis 3rd Wave or similar. Other than that... no. I'm not convinced. Thin, heartless, uninspiring.

    • @loreleiofthemist
      @loreleiofthemist 5 місяців тому

      another thing to remember is that the ubxa is brand new and the obxa is 43 years old. it's perfectly normal for a brand new synth to sound brighter. this obxa unit probably sounded a lot brighter when it was new as well.

  • @Chrispy01a
    @Chrispy01a 6 місяців тому +11

    Very impressive indeed.
    Given it comes with a poly AT 5 octave board at a small fraction of the price of an original - bargain to any of us who dreamed of owning one some day.
    Bring on the CS80 & JP8's!

  • @Kung_Fu_Jesus
    @Kung_Fu_Jesus 6 місяців тому +27

    Very convincing as a clone, bravo all the team who worked on this, you’ve built a formidable synth here.

  • @Rareos
    @Rareos 6 місяців тому +9

    the OB is recorded a touch louder, so that's already going to influence. The OB is also doing a voice channel swap on all notes in a more pronounced way. The UB not as frequent swapping and in some patches not at all, so that's also contributing to a more more wideness and depth on the OB. Absolutely not hard to accommodate for though, and in a mix pretty much inconsequential.

  • @Heavy_Distortion
    @Heavy_Distortion 6 місяців тому +5

    Great video man. Thank you for doing this dry.

  • @funkmachine6420
    @funkmachine6420 6 місяців тому +1

    Well, that sounds great. Once I move to a bigger place I'll be able to fit one in I'm sure!

  • @moonsofjupiter
    @moonsofjupiter 6 місяців тому +6

    Very close and would say they succeeded. The OG has a fuller sound and more presence. But with fx and EQ that’s easily remedied.

  • @joewolf38
    @joewolf38 6 місяців тому +11

    Thx the compare and the works...
    I absolutely hear the difference.
    But the two synths will rarely be heard at the same time.:-)
    It is the low harmonics that are different, the Behringer seems thinner OBx dirtier in a good sense.

    • @DaveBessell
      @DaveBessell 5 місяців тому +1

      That's the way I hear it too. Something missing in the low mids on the Behringer. Still a decent synth though and well worth it for the price.

  • @SoundmanCH
    @SoundmanCH 5 місяців тому +4

    Better an Underheim in my studio, than an Oberheim in my dreams 👍

  • @raymond_lazer
    @raymond_lazer 6 місяців тому +8

    Thanx for the video . Nice shot indeed mostly when you know that OB-Xa is more than 40 years old, meaning that circuitry & components had time to drift a bit :) . I guess that 2 OB-Xa may not sound now really the same ! Cheers

    • @jd808
      @jd808 6 місяців тому

      Its more the Coolaudio filter is lacking nothing about drift

  • @joesayle2213
    @joesayle2213 6 місяців тому +17

    I can hear a big difference with the filters and the resonance !

    • @tutoriais5266
      @tutoriais5266 6 місяців тому +3

      The resonance filter of the Behringer sounds like a cheap vst

  • @jimlutz1290
    @jimlutz1290 3 дні тому

    What Keyboard stand do you to stack two keyboards . . .? Great Video, Waiting for availability of UB-Xa.

  • @SandroMancino
    @SandroMancino 6 місяців тому +1

    UB sounds great! Only thing I hear is a little more bite with the OB attack sounds. Thoughts?

  • @Station2Station-du2gh
    @Station2Station-du2gh 6 місяців тому

    Sounds great to me. Good video!

  • @soundmechanicssounddesign
    @soundmechanicssounddesign 5 місяців тому +2

    Sounding very good. I'm sure any differences in brightness/character could be further edited to match. The UB-Xa basically sounds like an OB-Xa in a box around half the size for a lot less money. I like it!

  • @mikaelschloenzig9590
    @mikaelschloenzig9590 5 місяців тому

    You are much closer UB to OBXa in comparison than i am getting out a comparing OB-X8 in Xa mode?The difference is very clear ,more drive/push and "roundness" in -X8,a more pleasant sound ,while the UB lacks some kind push and sounds little "sharper",but maybe a original OB-Xa and a OB-X8 in Xa mode won´t match each other close either?Good job done and thanks for being part of making the UB-Xa,and absolute love what you are doing!

  • @kamelhamlaoui9983
    @kamelhamlaoui9983 6 місяців тому +4

    👍🏻 owner of an OBX-8 and 2 SEM’s. Now I ‘am waiting for the OBX behringer + the SEM!!!

    • @bengsynthmusic
      @bengsynthmusic 6 місяців тому +1

      But why?

    • @kamelhamlaoui9983
      @kamelhamlaoui9983 6 місяців тому +1

      @@bengsynthmusic like a back up… we never know. And I guess I am a fetishiste!?😂

  • @JimmieMoments5.0
    @JimmieMoments5.0 5 місяців тому

    its amazing, so glad to have the opportunity to own one! in my opinion, almost all those sound exactly the same, (none of them better or worse) only like some mentioned the "tom sawyer" patch there sounds way different. but i think thats just different parameters.

  • @Projacked1
    @Projacked1 5 місяців тому +2

    Very hard to match settings, the chorus/ filter(?) settings were the most off?
    That being said, I would prefer the Bhoberheim for it's stability. That is super-close.

  • @andy-ford
    @andy-ford 6 місяців тому +6

    Really nice comparison - thank you for this! The only big difference I noticed was at the 6:00 mark (Tom Sawyer patch?) The resonance harmonics were noticeably lacking in the UB-Xa.

    • @sub-jec-tiv
      @sub-jec-tiv 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, that was a massive difference. If i were paying $1200 anyway, i’d just save up the extra few hundred and get the real deal. Anyway if i can avoid it i don’t buy any new products from sweatshop-conditions manufacturer Behringer.

  • @StudyYourTruthAlone
    @StudyYourTruthAlone 6 місяців тому +3

    Wow, thanks for making this comparison! Obviously there are some differences but over all yes Spot On! Keep in mind this is a brand new re-creation of an old legend, I'm very optimistic about this new Ub-xa from Behringer because I have their new pro-800 and after the firmware updates things have only gotten better with time, so judging by that this new synth could very be on the same road as well and will certainly get tweaks to make it even better, I'm all in! Got mine on order and anxiously awaiting it's arrival, Thank you Behringer!

  • @SynthsStories
    @SynthsStories 6 місяців тому +7

    Nice comparison, thanks for sharing! Berhinger did a very nice job. Yes there is a difference for 2 main reasons: each OB-Xa sounds different and this original has old circuits more than 40 years old, which have lived and therefore which sound different from a model with a recent circuit, more "straight" (which has not, moreover, probably not the same quality of components either).
    But the rendering of the Behringer is very convincing! 👍

  • @kris_lx
    @kris_lx 6 місяців тому +5

    The filter sweep at around 6:00 is missing a lot of the self resonance on the UB-XA.

    • @Bernd_Bruening
      @Bernd_Bruening 6 місяців тому

      Oberheim OB-Xa filters do not self resonate

  • @aftertheendtimes
    @aftertheendtimes 4 місяці тому +1

    Very nice 👍🙂 spot on cheers

  • @projectvime
    @projectvime 5 місяців тому

    very nice comparison indeed! In the last patch (17:11) I hear something from the UBxa, sounds like clipping, or some other distortion, what can that be?

    • @vintagesynths
      @vintagesynths  5 місяців тому

      I think it’s clipping because the sound is very loud in the high frequencies

  • @robman80808
    @robman80808 6 місяців тому +10

    Definitely sound different in headphones due to the significant stereo panning from the OB. That seems to give it more life. Can the UB be set up to do this?

    • @vintagesynths
      @vintagesynths  6 місяців тому +4

      Of course. The panning is possible to adjust individually for each of all 16 voices

    • @vintagesynths
      @vintagesynths  6 місяців тому +1

      I also panned the voices in the UB, maybe in the OG it was stronger

    • @robman80808
      @robman80808 6 місяців тому +1

      @@vintagesynths Yeah it seems like a harder pan, and maybe even bounces around a bit more? Anyway, thanks for the great demo!

  • @stangoryachy
    @stangoryachy 6 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for compering , filters sounds very different. And LFO as well

  • @PietroTaucher
    @PietroTaucher 5 місяців тому

    thanks for your job! at first I thought OBXa is way deeper and full but then (around 10:00) the OBXa sounds thicker. I think is just a matter of the presets and the new components. I have an OB8 but almost unusuable (repared many times) and Ill definitely buy the UBXa as a substitute.

  • @mthomas1091
    @mthomas1091 5 місяців тому +1

    Good comparison. Honestly though, I wish we could hear the IDENTICAL MIDI going into them.

  • @gonzinigonz
    @gonzinigonz 5 місяців тому +2

    I wonder if they've contemplated remaking the Xpander in a more modern sized compact box.
    And a desktop version might be nice.

  • @retro-dademusic6403
    @retro-dademusic6403 6 місяців тому +4

    THANK YOU! 😎

  • @lance134679
    @lance134679 5 місяців тому

    I think this will be fun (and useful) synth. I like that it's bitimbral. 👍

  • @ZozillaThaGreat
    @ZozillaThaGreat 6 місяців тому +4

    Exellent video , i do think that the dynamic is better on the Og , the B sounds like a little compressed on some pacthes , we don't feel the contour as the OG , might be the enveloppes , don't k now , anyway ... B did a superb job , and the diff i hear could be the diff i hear between the OG and another high end unit ....
    Thks for taking the time !!
    I hope B released a desktop version as well ...

    • @rebours
      @rebours 6 місяців тому +1

      There's clearly a difference in either the enveloppes' curves or the voltage response of the filters, it's very noticeable on short percussive sounds. I think the only modern polyphonic synth that got this right so far is the prophet 5/10 rev 4...it really shines in that regard.

    • @ZozillaThaGreat
      @ZozillaThaGreat 6 місяців тому

      Exact , the Prophets have one of the best shaping feel , hard to explain , but still a great one imho , need to test it to really feel it and if it's ok or really something that can handicap .... giving the quality of sounds we heard , not sure , if we didn't had the og that we would be disturbed ...@@rebours

  • @RockmannMusic
    @RockmannMusic 5 місяців тому

    I definitely hear the potential to get one or two usuable sounds out of that synth

  • @klstay
    @klstay 6 місяців тому +1

    Were you using any of the 8 vintage modes on any of the patches for UB-Xa? For me personally I am more excited by the UB-X, Pro-16, and DS-80. However, this is a major accomplishment at this price and a great platform for those synths to use going forward.

    • @vintagesynths
      @vintagesynths  6 місяців тому

      Used atrophy setting ob-xa

    • @klstay
      @klstay 6 місяців тому

      @@vintagesynths I am hopeful they will give full access to end users for all the parameter which make up those 8 presets. I listened on a full range monitor setup and the differences I heard were at most what I would call small and seemed to be amp and/or filter dynamics along with some EQ being more pronounced for a few.

  • @mysterio77690
    @mysterio77690 6 місяців тому +1

    Fair comparison with dry sounds!! The quality is here - This is an awesome result with very close presets!

  • @RayyMusik
    @RayyMusik 6 місяців тому +5

    The Uliheim sounds good, albeit a bit more static then the Obie. Did you use the built-in vintage modes? Anyway, a no-brainer for that price (if I hadn‘t an OB-X8 already).

  • @Donetur
    @Donetur 6 місяців тому +2

    It sounds good. I liked it, as much identical to the original as expected of a good clone I would say.

  • @raymondo6665
    @raymondo6665 6 місяців тому +12

    UB-Xa sounds even better than the original and twice as many voices as the ridiculously over-priced OB-X8. Can't wait to get mine. Cheers.

  • @TheSynthnut
    @TheSynthnut 5 місяців тому

    You got very close with most of those for sure. People getting so hung up of the small differences, but are they baked-in or just programming?
    Either way, it seems a bit of a blind avenue to get hung up on, the original presets were a bit of a mixed bag and for me would be starting points for tweaking.

  • @lucasasdelli
    @lucasasdelli 6 місяців тому +6

    The OBXa seems to be more beefy than the new clone; anyway, 40 yrs component drifts would alter the overall sound, therefore such as a direct A/B comparison IMHO is uneven at any condition. Maybe I'll order the UB-Xa just as polyAT keyboard, because the GEM S2 I'm using has some issues on its keybed. For the true old analog sound, my Chroma, Prophet-6, Polysix and Take 5 would be enough.
    Indeed, still I didn't find any detailed info about the UB-Xa keybed. Is it a decent one?

  • @samprock
    @samprock 6 місяців тому +3

    Do I hear it right, OB has much more interesting voice spread and stereo, while UB is “sometimes” and more like no stereo.
    No happy little accidents? I seems can tell them apart easily, after random scroll, blind listen.

  • @braincoral9866
    @braincoral9866 5 місяців тому +3

    small differences in the envelopes and filters maybe, but pretty spot-on

  • @fossilcrab
    @fossilcrab 6 місяців тому +1

    Why didn’t you play the
    Low notes in the sync sound on Behringer?

  • @GlitchWolf
    @GlitchWolf 4 місяці тому +4

    Not a big fan of the company, but still very impressive to see that it comes that close to the OB sound. There are however places where the OB sounds warmer and more alive due to some drifting and slight detuning of the voices. It's very evident at the 1:30 mark where the OB sounds so alive and lush whereas the UB sounds sterile in comparision.
    Thanks so much for making this vid, highly educational!!

    • @tonyhill2318
      @tonyhill2318 4 місяці тому

      I am a fan of the company, but I agree with you . Still, amazing sounding recreation.

    • @ScottLSimon
      @ScottLSimon 4 місяці тому

      yeah...there is a difference.

    • @Lamster66
      @Lamster66 4 місяці тому

      @@ScottLSimon
      I wonder how much that difference really is?. Back in the Day I had several Analogue synths ( couldn't afford an OBXa or OB8) but had more than one of several synths and even the same model synths sounded different when A/B together.
      Often with more difference than between these two.
      That Said the Filters Sound Slightly Different at resonance and to my ears the basic waveforms sound different.
      But I think once you add Eq and some effects there isn't £10k of difference.between them or £5K between the Behringer and the re-released Oberheim version

    • @ScottLSimon
      @ScottLSimon 4 місяці тому

      @@Lamster66 ok yeah. True enough on the difference between analog synths. Also: it's a youtube video and you will never really hear what you need to in this format. That is why you need to be in the room and hear it yourself. It is also valuable for people to report what they hear when making videos.

    • @Lamster66
      @Lamster66 4 місяці тому

      @@ScottLSimon
      I will certainly go and try one out at the local music shop.
      I know what I like about the Oberheim sound and know how that should sound. It comes down to perception at the end of the day and whether it does what you expect it to do.
      I bought the ModelD the Pro one and a deepmind12 module.
      And have to say the pro one sounds like the SC Pro1 I had years ago and The modelD sound as close to a minimoog as makes no difference. The only gripe with the Deepmind is there is a character to the sound that seems to be there whatever the sound. And whilst that was true for virtually all 70s and 80s analogue synths the deepminds character isn't that great.

  • @dancarter5595
    @dancarter5595 5 місяців тому

    Behringer have done an incredible job, and the new features make this probably the best value synth of all time, but I now really appreciate how amazing the genuine Oberheim synths sound. No wonder you've kept yours 😎
    I'll be able to buy a UB-Xa with the knowledge that it's as close to the original that most people would never know the difference.

    • @mrdali67
      @mrdali67 5 місяців тому +1

      I really doubt anyone is able to hear a difference in a blind test in a mix. I do agree there IS a difference when comparing each patch directly against eachother sound per sound, but thats not how you will hear it in a mix, and the extra features especially on gear from before midi was introduced commonly there is mostly always many "quality of life" features in even recreated fully analog synths that makes the old instruments practically useless for touring with compared to a modern recreation.

  • @stefan2796
    @stefan2796 6 місяців тому +2

    With some presets the Oberheim sounds a bit "thicker" (a little bit more low end?). Anyway, good to hear them both.

  • @tonytec59vmix
    @tonytec59vmix 5 місяців тому

    been waiting on this synth now i just have to see if they any bug's in it, but it sounds amazing both do actully

  • @user-uk5xj8yb7e
    @user-uk5xj8yb7e 6 місяців тому

    Très bonne comparaison c'est assez bluffant a voir sur place mais il aura une différence c'est sur

  • @davids.688
    @davids.688 5 місяців тому +2

    To anyone who says the UB sounds "thin, heartless, uninspiring" ... your eyes and bias are doing the listening. In a blind taste test, you’d be batting .100. An exact match? No, of course not - for that matter, neither is the OB-X8. But near-indistinguishable for 99.9999 percent of listeners (including yourself) - yup, it admirably accomplishes what it set out to do (and there’s probably no “page 2” b.s. to deal with). Cheers!

    • @harveyspecter1653
      @harveyspecter1653 3 місяці тому

      I probably won't be able to tell them apart on every sound but there are some sounds where the OB-XA does sound noticably better. I do believe though in a record you would not notice. It's more like the Behringer sounds more like a plugin version of the hardware but a really good plug in then. Not wanting to downplay it; For the money it's a damn good thing.

  • @oldunclemick
    @oldunclemick 6 місяців тому +5

    Good video! I'd like to hear two OB-Xas compared - probably a similar amount of variation between them (especially if they've got very different life histories). People are too used to digital instruments sounding identical.

  • @julientrez9262
    @julientrez9262 6 місяців тому +2

    That's really impressive.
    BUT, does it Love Like Blood? 👀

  • @bigmanlizard7326
    @bigmanlizard7326 6 місяців тому +14

    hard to be too critical when it costs £999.. which is insane, 16 voice poly for that price makes no sense I have no idea how they did it, great job behringer
    but the filter just doesnt seem right at all.. 3:56 is a good example of it missing a bit of something, the original has all that lovely mid range harmonic resonance going on and the behringer sounds a bit bland and not the same character, again at 7:00
    maybe just slightly different settings on the knobs?
    regardless of it sounding exactly like the original or not, its an insane value for money in its own right as an analogue poly with that many voices, theyre going to sell a LOT of these

    • @thecylonsmusic
      @thecylonsmusic 6 місяців тому +1

      £899 At Andertons, uk

    • @user-qf4zs6qj4c
      @user-qf4zs6qj4c 6 місяців тому +1

      @@thecylonsmusic They changed the price last Sunday. It's 999 now.

  • @GilbertCarrizales
    @GilbertCarrizales 6 місяців тому +2

    There is maybe a little more higher frequencies on the Behringer, but otherwise it's not a bad comparison to the OB-XA. Sounds almost identical.

  • @nicedevices
    @nicedevices 5 місяців тому

    Does the UB have analog or digital envelope generators? I suspect digital because there's something that feels different about the attack. It's the same kinda thing I hear when comparing a J60 (analog) and J106 (digital).

  • @tommyg5095
    @tommyg5095 6 місяців тому +5

    I have one on pre order, was told around February for that to hit the distributor,,,, that place being where the water is sweet😮😮😮

    • @X22GJP
      @X22GJP 6 місяців тому +1

      Guitar Center?

    • @tommyg5095
      @tommyg5095 6 місяців тому

      @@X22GJP
      GUITAR WHO ???

  • @user-wg6mt3se1n
    @user-wg6mt3se1n 6 місяців тому +8

    For all the wine connoisseurs who have started counting suspended particles, maybe do the same with 2 ob-xa, they don't sound the same. series scatter, aging, etc.
    I see it this way: you can buy a Focusrite clone for four times the price, it doesn't sound the same, or you can buy an OG for ten times the price. doesn't sound the same again :)

    • @derekjurovich
      @derekjurovich 6 місяців тому +2

      Well said

    • @daddyzhoam
      @daddyzhoam 6 місяців тому

      Yet somehow every well-calibrated OB, to this day, sounds exactly like the records they were used on when they were new.

    • @user-wg6mt3se1n
      @user-wg6mt3se1n 6 місяців тому

      @@daddyzhoam Not really, unless it was recapped.
      especially capacitors age,
      a process that cannot be stopped.
      So that you understand, the loss factor increases and the value becomes smaller, which is why the frequency of the circuit shifts.
      A 71 Minimoog simply had a different sound 50 years ago.
      What's special about the ob-xa is that Tom used mica in the filter last time and never again after that.
      makes up part of the Oberheim sound.

    • @daddyzhoam
      @daddyzhoam 6 місяців тому +1

      How many 40 year old synths are still getting by on the original electrolytics? Most reconditioned ones have been largely recapped. And the silver mica caps to my understanding were only used in the OB-X.

    • @user-wg6mt3se1n
      @user-wg6mt3se1n 6 місяців тому

      @@daddyzhoam So my JP8 still has the original power supply :)
      and no, the ob-xa also had mica filter caps, take a look at the circuit diagrams.
      tom regressed after that, I got the marion mrs1 from him... far away from SEM-
      One aspect is the tolerance of the components, previously resistors were 10.5%, filter capacitors were 20%, today everything is much more precise.
      You can then try to adjust&/calibrate the synth, if the other one is too far away in terms of tolerance, no chance. especially affects the filters.

  • @leonnaffin
    @leonnaffin 6 місяців тому +2

    Hmm just listening with my phone speaker I can hear more difference than I expected.😢 the original sounds much more alive to me. I remember the model D vs Mini Moog comparison and I was blown away how similar those tow sound. So my expectations where high sadly to high? I hope the pro16 will be closer to the original.

  • @tommykruesofficial
    @tommykruesofficial 5 місяців тому

    I mean for the price, its as close as it's getting can def tell the OG OB has a little more "Sheen" on the high end sounds a bit more big and bitey to my ears at least. The UB sounds Big as well but def does not have that sheen on the high end AS much as the OG OB. But honest no 2 analog pieces of gear are truly 1 to 1 in sound. Great Video man thanks for this!

  • @JiveTalker78
    @JiveTalker78 6 місяців тому +6

    Subtle differences in sound, very impressive considering the price of the UB-Xa. They really knocked it out of the park with this synth.

  • @user-vu6du5nx9q
    @user-vu6du5nx9q 6 місяців тому +11

    The more UB-Xa Demos the better!

  • @Shred_The_Weapon
    @Shred_The_Weapon 6 місяців тому +16

    I definitely get the impression that the UB-Xa definitely would be worth having as the perfect alternative to the 1981 classic.

  • @CaptainProton1
    @CaptainProton1 6 місяців тому

    It is very close except that the OBXa (had one and hated tuning it) just sounds ver so slightly too tight compared to the original. I'm guessing the oscillator drift modes will help with that. I may get one though if finances are ok :)

  • @futuristiccavemanofficial
    @futuristiccavemanofficial 6 місяців тому

    I really hope the ramp up in reviews means they're about to bring the dog on things to market!

  • @THX-jm6rm
    @THX-jm6rm 5 місяців тому +1

    close… very close… really good work from Behringer

  • @sibbyeskie
    @sibbyeskie 6 місяців тому +5

    The Behringer definitely has less low end oomph. Seems like an audible hump in the very low freqs of the Ober, which I like. Also maybe the his are rolled off a bit on the Ober as they seem more present on the Behringer. Good job matching the patches, it's a very difficult exercise!

  • @frankwirth422
    @frankwirth422 6 місяців тому +3

    thanks!

  • @KattKirsch
    @KattKirsch 5 місяців тому +2

    Wow, really a magical piece of musical history. It's like someone made more stratovariuses.

  • @classicaudioadventures
    @classicaudioadventures 6 місяців тому +11

    I couldn't differentiate between the two in a majority of the patches, but there are some glaring differences in filter behavior when the resonance is cranked. Overall it's very impressive when considering the OB commands 10x the price!

    • @jlindborg1105
      @jlindborg1105 6 місяців тому

      Yes, 6 minutes in there is a bass sound where you can hear the original have it's filters spread with multiple resonance points (lovely) but the Behringer's filter has all filters at the same peak in frequency.
      Interesting.

    • @neodym1337
      @neodym1337 6 місяців тому +3

      @@jlindborg1105 Curious to see if this is configurable using the atrophy calibration setting, maybe its a programming thing

    • @thec4ke
      @thec4ke 5 місяців тому

      Sounds like the filter key tracking is way off on the Behringer patch.

  • @ambientsession
    @ambientsession 6 місяців тому +1

    only in a direct comparison do you notice very slight nuances of difference, but without images and in a mix you wouldn't notice anything🎼👌

  • @davidfreeborg
    @davidfreeborg 3 місяці тому

    Pretty close there’s more rasp in the obxa and more harmonic interplay. Maybe a built in tube warmer would do it?

  • @jeremyjigglebear8096
    @jeremyjigglebear8096 4 місяці тому

    The Behringer seems deficient in the low and low mid frequencies. The high frequencies seem very accurate. I am not sure if the Behringer can be tweaked to get more push in the lower frequencies, but if it could, I would be interested in getting one.

  • @carlosheredia2219
    @carlosheredia2219 3 місяці тому

    just received the ubxa Behringer 4 banks of presets A B C D - not sure if this was a used item or what but im missing some factory presets- ive seen the bank letter and the number of the patch on different you tube videos (I CROSS REFRENCED) and when i go to the bank DIAL THE PATCH takes me to what it says PRESET WITH ONE WAVE- BASICALLY MISSING THE ENTIRE PATCH- CALLING SWEET WATR TOMORROW- I DID THE SYSTEM UPDATE AND STATES ITS CURRENT - $1200.00 AND MISSING PATCHES- OMG

  • @isham16
    @isham16 5 місяців тому

    Do we have some info about the auto tune and calibration process ? It sounds to me the ub has a “too perfect” auto tune routine … it sounds too rigid to my ears

  • @thedarkestrainbow
    @thedarkestrainbow 6 місяців тому +1

    It’s hard to say if the differences are due to the synths or the programming. Sounds close.

  • @osirismaximus2787
    @osirismaximus2787 5 місяців тому

    The only big difference I noticed was at 6:00. I wonder if you can get per voice variance in the filter envelope in the "atrophy" settings.
    If you can, then I think you could make that resonance sing exactly like the origional in that patch.
    I wonder if they'll make a desktop module. No room for another large synth at the moment.

    • @user-sf6fm9xm3q
      @user-sf6fm9xm3q 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, also wanted to mention this part. Pretty big difference in filters. Why? Original sounds way bigger here

  • @MayoSoulomon
    @MayoSoulomon 5 місяців тому

    The OG sounds better but B. did a great job, as you did porting the patches. My Prophet-10 v4 doesn't sound like a vintage unit, just to say that despite being made by the original brand a vintage unit sound can't be exactly replicated. Thank you for this comparison.

  • @keyboardtek
    @keyboardtek 5 місяців тому +1

    Can someone explain how Behringer is able to copy so many classic synths, like this and the Minimoog without getting sued for copyright infringement? Do they have expired copyrights?

    • @keymusic
      @keymusic 5 місяців тому +1

      I’ve always wondered the same thing.