UBXa vs OBX8 // 2 modern takes on the OBXa
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Behringer vs Oberheim - if you're looking for a modern recreation of the OBxa the cost difference between these 2 synths is quite something... but what about the sound? Functionally UBXa and OBX8 have different options. The Behringer has a Mod Matrix and sequencer, but the Oberheim has an OBX and cross mod for example.
But here, I'm concentrating on the raw OBXa sound emulation. ... and FYI:
Cambridge Dictionary meaning of emulation in English
"the process of copying something achieved by someone else and trying to do it as well as they have"
so yes I've called them emulations :)
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0:00 what's this all about?
4:48 Oscillators
9:42 Filters
18:14 Envelopes
18:41 Some Sounds
25:10 Conclusions
#behringer #ubxa #obxa #obx8 #review
Let's face it, this is the video the Internet has been waiting for when it comes to people interested in the UBXA 😂😀
Let's face it, this is the part we been waiting for ua-cam.com/video/N4FS98n08iE/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared&t=1150
😂. Yep!
Close enough for me! My UB-Xa arrives in a couple days - very excited for it!
Exactly how I feel. It's close enough. I love mine.
It’s even better that they are not totally identical. It is so good that UbXa has its own timbre flavor!
Excellent review! Thank you for taking the time do demonstrate these two synths, side-by-side! That clicking / thumping sound at note onset, is most likely due to VCA / VCF balance or bias being offset from the "balanced" setting. When unbalanced, control voltage will bleed through to the audio path, so you'd hear the envelope CV in the audio path. Regarding the Tom Sawyer sound, I believe that is due tp the Oberheim spreading VCF tuning across the unison voices, whereas the Behringer seems to keep VCF relatively constant between voices, which has a less complex sound. Both of those issues could be addressed with firmware update, so well see! The VCF cut-off limit on the Behringer is disappointing; it's possibly firmware fixable, but may be a limitation of the filter circuit or component selection. The Behringer envelope generator attack phase is not typical of vintage synths, in that the exponential "goal" is set equal to the sustain value, rather than a higher value (usually 3 x sustain, or so). This results in the attack phase seeming to linger a bit before the decay phase kicks in. I'm surprised the Behringer team missed that, but it is, perhaps, another firmware addressable issue. Cheers!
Thanks for the great comparison. After a few hours twiddling, my UB-Xa sounds amazing. Absolutely no way I'd pay 5 x as much for an OB-X8. I'm spending the money I've saved on a luxury cruise. Cheers.
UBXa seems expensive when you can get a juno 106 for £800 and not lose anything thru depreciation.
@@uv77mc85 Ooh.......I can get a 106 for £800? I'll have to get looking.
@@raymondo6665 Expect to have to take the voice chips out and remove the coating from them. It fails on all of them. Battery will need replacing to. If you can do these things yourself its a cheap synth
Luxury cruise is a waste of money.
@@NiceterCoolster 😂
I seriously don't care if it sounds mono to mono vs the original. Behringer added so many features and 16 voices analog sounds really Good. @ 1199$ that's totally insane. Thanks for the comparison!!
Yep. Features vs quality, with a price difference.
thanks! The ulinger needs some serious updates but at the end of the day is a 16 voice dual vco analog synth for$1200
This part was all I needed to know about their differences:
19:05 OB-X8
19:50 UB-XA
Btw... Thanks for doing this video!
This is quit telling. It seems like the resonance behavior really brings out the differences in them. Though, I wonder, with so much control over the atrophy settings on the UB-Xa, if it could sound a bit closer.
There are others who have come much closer than this... ua-cam.com/video/Kn3JJuZsHKU/v-deo.htmlsi=c4xIWgEo4v_cvWvQ
There's also this one and Tom brings up some really good info .... ua-cam.com/video/5DQJzZ4byxk/v-deo.htmlsi=Pnl116yps7VfQN1O
@@zachleetch8138 This guy pretty much nails the Tom Sawyer Growl. ua-cam.com/video/5DQJzZ4byxk/v-deo.html Tom Sawyer by Rush - Recreating the bass sweep on the Behringer UB-Xa
agreed - though the very first chords played at 0.02 then 0.07 tell me the same thing. I know some peoples opinion of "close enough" is different to others, but Id never be happy with the Behringer after hearing those differences - there night and day to me (as much as they can be between similar designs). Maybe its because Im primarily a guitarist, and I can tell the difference between an ash and alder bodied strat, or a 22 v 24 fret neck. Cant fault the UB for the price - and 16 voice with poly AT is nice as well - but...... nothing but the sound really matters, and the OB definitely pips the UB there. Ive held off so far until some comparisons came out - and I do need a desktop version (I already have a Poly AT Keybed) (the UB will be available in that form factor too), but Ill be getting the big wallet out for the OB.
Thank you very much for the comparison. Well done. The price for 16 voices and poly aftertouch paired with that sound and the other extras in the UB-XA makes me want it. Lets see when they are finally available in numbers here in Germany.
Wow! You've done a proper job of comparing those two. An excellent job in fact. I also love the overhead viewpoint, making us appreciate how "compact" the UB-Xa is. Soundwise I think the Behringer is as close as two OB-Xa synths to the OB-X8. Thanks for a great comparison, you've obviously worked hard at matching them.
BTW, had the UB-Xa for a couple of weeks now, and loving it, despite its minor flaws.
@19:57 if you want to recreate that patch more faithfully, I suggest watching Tom Noise's excellent video tutorial on YT on how to program that on the UB-Xa. It's called Tom Sawyer By Rush.
What, in your opinion, are its minor flaws? Very likely to purchase one for myself, but I'm just curious.
Oberheim staff member Marcus Ryle compared the OBX8 side by side with any important OB series-instr. also with an OBXa. There weren't any significant differences at all but the UB-Xa requires external adjustments if (even) helpful. To me the differences are much bigger than just component tolerances. I'm disappointed. Their pro800 is closer to it's original. Because behringer cloned well in the past I'd expected more authenticity, especially from an ambitious project like UB-Xa.
@@PaulC-Drums
Minor flaws (for me) are: red LCD display is poorly located, the performance section is not saved with a patch (might be corrected in a future firmware upgrade maybe?), notchless digital encoder feels a bit flimsy.
Thanks Starsky, you put a lot of work into this & enjoyed the comparison....also enjoyed watching the chilled cat 😀
that's about as chilled as I've ever seen him. He's the house guard cat and patrols around checking everyone coming, going or just walking past 😂🐈⬛😸
Your videos are always top notch, a real gift for us all! Thank you!
Thanks.
Great Video , thanks for taking the time . for me the OBX8 sounded more rich open and with depth especially in the low end
Thanks for these deep comparison videos Starsky! Best in the Business! I feel like Behringer will be able to get these even closer with a few firmware updates.
Cheers, and yeah the updates normally iron out little issues or enhance stuff pretty quickly.
Thank you very much for the insightful comparison, which I'm sure many people were longing for. Good idea, with EQ one could eventually bring the UB-Xa closer to the originals. It didn't work in my case with Andromeda's SEM-VCF. On that polarizing instrument 2- and four-pole VCFs have exactly the same hi cut. There its totally impossible to attain the OB-series' gliss because non existent frequencies unfortunately can't get emphasized. With the UB-Xa it's perhaps somehow possible.
Got to say, you are one of the best on UA-cam for sound-matching two different synths. Good job.
@StarskyCarr I noticed on the dive bomb patch you were trying to replicate, that you didn’t have the filter tracking on the UB, which spreads the filter resonance out, even on the lowest notes. It’s a different sound especially in unison. Great video. Cheers👍
I have to wait for a Behringer desktop as my studio in the kitchen.
It has existed since 2019, just not mass produced yet.
What about the poly aftertouch though would you need
a poly aftertouch enabled midi keyboard to get the
aftertouch to work.
My take-away: They both sound great, and either would be welcome in my little studio!
Well done! I know which Faust would have bought.....mine showed up a couple days ago. Just learning it, but not disappointed. I love how easy it is to use. The screen is totally fine as is, to my surprise. Vintage modes are sweet. It's stereo! Really nice once I spread the voices. Arp and sequencer super easy. Perf LFO works good for poly AT. Keyboard light, not my favorite, but good enough. Just getting into the bi-timbral oomf. It's roughly the size and weight of VirusTI. Equally quirky. Keeper.
Great video. Can’t wait for your review of the Arturia Minifreak
Cheers. I’ve a few videos in the Minifreak. If you search on my channel you’ll find them. This is the main one (I think).
MiniFreak Quickstart // How to Program and Edit Tones
ua-cam.com/video/7WB0p90JDFo/v-deo.html
Excellent work as always and as always when you do one of these I can't tell a difference. I think the only one that I ever did was the 2 poly-6s. I was hoping we'd get a song where you use both together though.
Haha.. the song may yet come. but only when inspiration strikes!
Cool video! I've been really happy exploring the UB-Xa so far. I haven't tested yet, but I wonder if the high end roll off is present on all outputs. I wonder if the balancing transformers are causing some loss...
Interesting comparison. There seems to be constant lowpass engaged on Behringer version, which tames the topends and it is definitely noticable. Curious if it is sortable through the menu or is it part of calibration.. or even a hard set design choice. Wondering.
Both sounds pretty fantastic. OB8X sounds for me bit better and more matured, but PolyAT is easy the winner in favour for Behringer.
As somebody who can't afford either unit, I simply cannot unhear that "click" or "thump", or whatever you want to call it, when you trigger notes no the UB-Xa, and to me, the filter on the OB-X8 just sounds a bit smoother and cleaner.
That being said, both synths sound great, and in an actual song, I doubt you'd be able to identify whether you've used one or the other.
I'm not a Behringer hater by any stretch, but that 'bump' sound on the UB's note-on is super distracting. I hope they can sort it out with a firmware update like they did for the Pro-800's envelopes.
I agree... almost wish he hadn't pointed it out; ha! Ruins the UB a little, aside from the X8 also sounding more clear and pure in the top end.
Thank you! This is great
We're at the stage here in 2024 where an oscilloscope is required to tell the diff.
Awesome comparison TY. When you mentioned the pop at the start my JP-8000 and 8080 had the same click but on the release. Very annoying and I often wondered why it was not picked up when reviewed back in the day by all the magazines like Sound on Sound and Future Music. Drove me mad. Otherwise a superb synth but its quit a big thing considering it affects everything.
Very very close, but the Oberheim sounds that tiny bit brighter/fizzier.
The Behringer sounds like the filter is a touch darker. Maybe editing can get them closer, but I suspect that's just the character it has.
The difference doesn't justify splashing out thousands more in my books.
Build quality plus vintage knob.
@@SPAZZOID100 you keep spewing the same nonsense over and over, build quality build quality, for something that costs 4.5 times more, you would expect an increase of build quality, that doesn't make it worth 4.5 times more though.
@@SPAZZOID100 the build quality of Behringer gear has been fine for ages.
It also has its own type of vintage knob, which sounded pretty great to me.
It's also 16 voice and poly after touch. Amazing value for money.
The main thing I care about with the Behringer is that it has that filter that doesn’t lose low end with resonance. And to my ear, it’s doing a great job! Thanks for the great video!
Yes!! Been waiting for this! Edit: as much as I appreciate Behringer’s attempt (and it is close), I will continue saving for the OB-X8.
Sort of close. The build is more solid on the OBX8.
@@SPAZZOID100 Would hope it's bomb proof for 5 x the price. Cheers.
You would be much better off and even save some money buying a UDO super gemini. Or you could pick up a used UDO super 6 for about 2k. OBX8 is cool but it ain't worth that sort of money
@@uv77mc85. Gemini has some nice features, but not worth its current asking price!
Understandable, doesn't really scratch the Oberheim itch in my ears. Also, I found out the hard way that buying the first batch of massive polysynths is not risk free. Let others beta test them and badger the manufacturer.
Interesting thanks for doing this comparison. The behringer got closer than I thought it might. I do prefer the filter in the Oberheim and overall everything sounds just slightly richer. But its tiny margins. Is the Oberheim worth the price difference, probably not considering the mod matrix, aftertouch and voice count on the Behringer. The atrophy settings are really nice too.
We still need a Pro 3 video from you, Starsky … ! 🙏🏼
I second this…love to see your take on it. I have the Moog Subsequent 37 and the Pro 3. I go back and forth on them as to favorites, but I will say that the Moog is much easier to get a “usable” sound with. I’d welcome any comments where someone might also own both.
I'll have to see if I can borrow one from somewhere.
Thanks a lot for this comparison 👍
They've done such a great job with it eh! Its a no brainer buying one of these!
I wasn't about to comment, but this video deserves another one, if only for the UA-cam algorithm. Great comparison.
And you are one of the few people who actually pronounce Behringer very well.
Thanks 🙏
~95% of the sound for less than 25% of the money, that's hard to process! Great comparison, highlights the similarities (many) and differences (significant) very well. Hard to imagine buyers of either being disappointed though.
and layer 2 patches in Dual mode for a HUGE 8-voice OB poly
Great presentation. Behringer obviously is a great brand I respect but my ears make me more inlove with ob-x8. Right off the bat SUPERIOR. I would however easily buy the ub_xa coz its price frendly and sounds good too. Asante sana🙏🏼😊👍🏼
Appreciate the scientific approach here! There are some minor preset differences bewteen the settings, though. The Oberheim may have a little more pitch LFO here, some more amp release there. Those could make up for the subtle differences. BTW: Judging by the cable you're monitoring the Behringer in mono? Isn't that a stereo synth?
Thanks, I mention why it’s in mono at the start - makes things simpler to do and to hear.
@@StarskyCarr Thanks - yes, watching everything helps! ;) One more comment for the algorhithm, though!
Been waiting years for this.
haha I know - I think they first mentioned it about 6 years ago. It does, however, show that even for a huge company like Behringer recreating classic with modern tech isn't as simple as we might think.
Been waiting for this one! Now add the OB-X8 and that'll be gg.
Clear quality difference - not just in but quality, but sound quality, too. The high-end roll-off reminds me of software trying to sound more "analog". The X8 is definitely a clear winner in terms of quality.
Each person who actually wants one of these - not myself, as I still prefer an OB-6 - would have to decide if the those quality aspects (but fewer overall voices and no mod matrix) are worth the price. Of course, the OB-X8 is more than an Xa, so it's more like buying two Behringer synths, which still puts it at about 2x the price.
I would definitely choose the OBX8
I would definitely choose the UB-Xa. And have a lot of money left for other gear! In fact, I did. And not regretting it one bit. The 16 voices and Mod Matrix on it are a huge advantage.
@@AlainHubert But the sound is definitely better with Obx8. A matter of taste, as they say🤭
@@t2m1412
Honestly, when listening carefully, you're right. But in a mix, you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Let's play and enjoy each other's synths!
OBX8 definitely sounds better but not sure if the extra cost justifies this.
@@AlainHubertbuild quality.
The click is a common thing in behringer synths that i thiiink comes from the vco resetting everytime? You can always disable it in the behringer software editor.
Awesome! I'd sell my studio for a keyboard version of the OB-X8!
(3 Workstations plus)
But the Behringer sounds nice! Interested in the Behringer JT-16 for sure! The Roland Jupiter-8 has always been my analog soul machine! Great video, my friend!!
Do you suggest ub or ob?
@alice1547 OB-X8 for sure!
The sound is warmer & has more character 😀
That rolloff that you discuss at 5:00ish may just be something to do with drive/gain that's pushing the whole curve down a bit. Hard to tell looking at the graph, but seems likely. It might be something that can be worked around. Just a guess. Haven't played with the UB yet. It could also be that the filter control signal doesn't open it 100% (relative to how open it is on the OB-X8). Also might be able to be patched/calibrated or worked around.
Edit: Ha! I should have just kept watching. You mentioned the filter right after I typed that.
Grazie, sempre eccellente!
I don t want either but i think the ob sounds too open. It reminds me of the ob6, i did not like it either. Sold it. And too open is strange since i would pick a prodigy over a grandmother, and that oldy was more open then the new moog. Thanks for the video! Saves me thousands 😎
My main takeaway is I need that overlay for my Oberheim!
Nah.
O yes, looks so much better indeed.
@@SPAZZOID100yes
@@SPAZZOID100Yup…it has the Page 2 functions printed on it.
Where do they sell it?
Haven't watched it all yet. Does it include a performance of Van Halen Jump? I think lots of people will come for that so need a direct link to that part of the video.
The low end is most likely caused by the VCAs opening. Most all synths have that. The first thing I do when mixing, is high pass them a bit. I imagine the more notes you play, the more that lowend sums, so in chord mode you'd definitely get a hefty thump.
Genuine question - How can you miss obvious things like the high end frequency cut off after 5 years of cloning something? That Oberheim high end fizz is so characteristic. Are there good reasons they wouldn't they be able to achieve that? Was the OBx8 in OBXA mode the whole time?
I agree that "emulation" is the best term for this type of a synth - I hate "clone", because they are not! Anyway, great comparison. The UBXa comes pretty close most of the time. I do have to say that I like the "presence" of the OBX8 and when the sounds are different, that's the sound I gravitate towards. But for four times the price? I am not sure... And given that the UBXa is 16 voices, there is the mod matrix, poly aftertouch, etc., it starts looking like a great deal. But then, the OBX8 has those other filters and such and... lol. Anyway, again, great video.
i definitely hear the distinction in tone and prefer the X8's "openness" and depth much more than the muffily, less lifely character on the UB. The latter of those which to me is my gripe with the OB6, which being only 2 pole, sounds a bit soft
much more presence on the X8, but I wonder if you switch those modes on Behringer to "modern" or whatever they have if the presence comes back.
No one is going to be able to tell what is what in a mix, anyone that says otherwise is telling porky pies.
Who cares in the end, it's what you do with them, not what they cost.
4.5 times the cost, but not 4.5 times the sound quality.
PAT keybed and 16 voices with MPE support goes a long way today.
OBX8 should still find its audience no doubt, just that the days of having to be wealthy to get that sound is now a thing of the past.
Great vid, thx.
If you apply that logic to each instrument in your song (use cheaper synth, ampsims, only plug in processing) and compare that to a song with better synth, real Amp, hardware fx. You will notice that in the mix!
Can u get away with going cheap on 1 aspect? Perhaps sure, but not all
@@LordBiffMusic what are you even talking about?
You need to compare apples and apples when you are working with mixes, you just changed the play field with plugins vs hardware.
If you use hardware fx and these synths, you will get the same results.
I don't think you really thought this one out.
@@dankeplace I dno what you are talking about ether so at least we have that in common
idk man LordBiff made perfect sense to me. They mentioned plugins as just an example of somewhere people often use cheap gear in their signal chain. If you cheap out all over your track, be it cheap hardware synths or cheap amps or cheap mics (or cheap-sounding VSTs) you will notice a difference in the final track. To quote LordBiff: "Can u get away with going cheap on 1 aspect? Perhaps sure, but not all"
@@dankeplace
Excellent comparison - pretty damn close if you ask me and plenty close enough to get those sounds at the Behringer price. The original is subtly richer, sometimes obvious, sometimes not, but It's the only way I could get these sounds in hardware form as the original is a really big spend for what it is. Shame about the initial transient pop, but maybe they can fix that with a firmware update.
I'm just watching to amuse myself as I ended up returning the X8 (why?, well just look at the used prices. That how I felt about it) back when it first came out and I'm considering the UB because of it's features and price. In a blind test that included the X8, UB, and OB6, simply picking out which tones I like better, I picked the UB and X8 pretty evenly, and the OB6 dead last all 16 (I think) times as it turns out. It kinda crazy how much my eyes influence my hearing, so to speak.
I still prefer the OB-6. I was excited about the X8 coming out only to realize I didn't want it. Definitely don't want the Behringer, since the Xa is my least favorite Oberheim.
@@cfs That's fair. My favorite synth ever is the Xa. Too bad I can't keep an original. No point in getting one if I can't afford to keep it. Maybe one day when I have money to burn and my new best friend is a tech. 😜
The X8 has SEM.
@@bengsynthmusic Yep
Im thinking that both the thud and the frequency limit in the ubxa could have a link to the filter resonance. I think the thud stems from DC being present at the VCA input. That may be reduced by having just a slight bit of resonance in the filter. That could also increase the high frequency content. Plus, it is evident that the filter frequency doesnt go quite as high, would ne nice with a comparison of of the frequency response when the filters are 'matched' rather than on 'max open'
Nvm with the filter comparison, saw you did a great one with the 4pole filter :) definitively a big difference in harmonic content
Somebody posted on the forums if you put the resonance around 3 o'clock and use 2 pole filter and engage tracking you will get some of the top end back. Obviously not an ideal solution but I think it sounds better to my ears with more presence. Many patches sound a bit dull to my liking.
Also, if we had a way to quickly toggle the LCD contrast (Shit combo button) between when we sit down vs standing up could be useful workaround to some to solve problem with lcd viewing angle. Just my observation
Thanks. It’s a bit of a workaround, but not really … if that makes sense. You’d be just as well using an EQ and wouldn’t lose the low end/volume.
Hopefully a firmware update can bring them closer. That click needs to go and the Oberheim sizzle is a hallmark of that OB sound. What always stumps me is how these issues end up in a production unit. 6 years developing this synth and in one 27 min video we can hear where the UBXA falls short. Did no one over those 6 years notice the click? Or say hey guys we are missing that sizzle? Why are we rolling off the top end? I don’t get it.
It does amaze me, I did hold great hopes for this Synth but between delays and what not I got peed off in the final moments and ditched the idea of purchasing this.
In case you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years, making unreliable ripoff trash is kind of Behringer's thing. He could be making his own unique synths but instead he knows there's a market for people that want the real thing and think a similar paint job and name makes his crap related.
About to watch this, with equal abundances of apprehension, excitement and dread - all at the same time: as I just bought an OB-X8, after auctioning off my kidneys. Please justify it for me, Starsky. 🤣
I think I'm going to get a lot of happy UBXa owners and a lot of happy OBX-8 owners ... For the money the B is amazing, and the OB shows why it's more expensive.
@@StarskyCarr As long as the last sentence stands, I’ll use that to help me sleep at night! Thank you so much for making these incredible videos for us! Big fan of your channel! 👏🏼🙏🏼
@@AdamLeeGuitaristworth auctioning off your kidney, I think I gotta do same 😅 a day before starskys ubxa video came out I placed a deposit on a used P5 as was not fealing it with the existing ubxa demos. It's a review I'm not gonna watch as don't want regrets 😅
You did the right thing.
@@xntricity6446you’ll never regret the P5! It’s gorgeous
There is no comparison, the oberheim is open and as you play up and down you hear the richness and all that makes this unit what we known it to be for over 40 years!
Someone please make a proper affordable sampler workstation and let’s move on! Sound matters !
Nobody in the audience while they’re jamming having a good time listening to music are going to notice or even care if it’s oberheim or behringer, it’s all about the feel, being musical and the song.
They both sound basically identical, and I’d be fine using either one on a gig, but I do like saving money, so…..
can you kindly do ubxa with ob6, if you still have it? I have an ob6 and i dont know if i should switch to ubxa.
I was considering putting them together, but fear I'd get roasted as one is SEM based (or at least inspired by) and the other is CEM. The only thing they have in common is their stripes!
FWIW I would keep the OB6, as you already own it. I don't think you'd gain much moving to the UBXa... except the extra octave and 12 more voices! But you'd lose the FX, that lovely distortion, and the editor, if you have it. Although I suspect someone will develop a 3rd party UBXA editor soon.
@@StarskyCarr I wouldn't :)
If you always wanted the 80s Oberheim sound then you'd be happier switching. If you love the OB-6 for what it is (as I do), then you will not be happier.
thank you
Thanks!
wow... thanks !! :)
@@StarskyCarr You've likely just saved him 4000 dollars! 😉Well worth a 10 dollar tip...
Well yes, the OB X8 sounds more brilliant and a little bit bigger. But it this is not worth the Price for me. The UB-Xa hits the 80s Oberheim Sound for me, so i would always go with the Behringer. But both are great Synths and this Video was great to show the Differences.
Think I heard Jamie from Geosynths mention that there is a little bit more clarity with the different voices when you play chords on the OBX-8 and I think I'm hearing that here. Still can't grumble with 16 voices and at that price! They're really close... I'd always go with the OBX-8 as I always want to give props to the originators and I think we need to keep those companies alive...
Have to say I love your overlay... seems like Sequential missed a trick there!
I think the overlay adds Page 2 functions too, something else the OG company missed the mark on.
You tricked me before with the prophet 5/6 comparison 😂
Let's see if you can do it again
I heard the pro800 is pretty close the the ub-xa obviously 8 voices to 16 but are they similar at all.
You'll be able to get close or almost identical on a lot of sounds, but I think a lot of the vibe is to do with the interface on both of them. They lead you to certain types of tones and modulation. If you're looking for an analog poly synth you can't beat the P800 for the money. If you're looking for an Oberheim style synth the same goes for the UBXa.
@StarskyCarr ob would be the vibe I'm wanting. I have a strange off topic question. Do people make 808s in the take 5?
They need to oversample the filters more in the Berlinger modelling. Yeah the X8 sounded a lot better.
Yeah, oversampling of analog filters... LOL
*facepalm*
@@henrikgerlach4765 well he is right, I mean you need to up your digital sample stage so you can hear the analog filter, I guess that's what he's saying?
It's a *Berlinger* remember?
@@dankeplace WTF are you talking about? He writes about "modelling" and has obviously not ANY clue what the UB-XA actually is, he probably does not even the difference between analog and digital. Same with you. Why would I need to "up" my "digital sample stage" to hear an analog filter coming from the analog output of an analog synthesizer? WOW!!!
*facepalm par excellence*
Haha, what did I just read...😂😂🤦♂️
@@henrikgerlach4765 you think they have no DSP path? Interesting. I bought a Deepmind, and the aliasing was really quite bad at the top end, and the waveforms looked suspiciously emulated. So I guess I approach Berlinger differently these days. I’m sorry, it just sounds like an under sampled digital filter to me probably due to lack of CPU power (cost). I’ve coded many DSP filters over the years…. and now I’m over explaining! 🥹
The UBXa is unbeatable at its price, sounds stunning and i'd love one... but my dilemma is that i am more interested in the JT16 and UBX. Personally, I've always preferred the sound of the OBX to the OBXa and the JP8 is my favourite synth ever - question is, how long will we have to wait for either of these? JT16 looks like it'll be the first out of the two - but when?
19:08 Divebomb = Instant Tom Sayer by Rush
In the Oberheim sits no more electronics than the Behringer. Time for an open gear youtube movie :-) You pay for the Name and everyone goes with the hype. Nice video and have fun!
Good, useful vid, thx.
But you're not a Rush fan, and it shows!
"Dive Bomb"??
You/they spelled Tom Sawyer wrong!
The UB-Xa patch had wayyy too much slow vibrato, pulsing/beating...which may have been a function of too much deture, but it was
too warbly.
Yes, I'm picky...but you started it, lol.
Liked and subbed.
Sometimes I can't tell which is which and other times the OBX8 wins. The UB is a steal for 1200.
Does the Ub-Xa or the OBX8 have morph-able filters?
Sharp watch!
Better save money and get the OB-X8. In the meantime I would use better Obsession from Synapse. Great comparison video
Next up can we have OG King Korg vs King Korg Neo? I know it's very hard to find nowadays but maybe one day!
They blew it for me as i have old King Korg patches that are not compatible , they would of had a larger amount of buyers.
@@georgegeorgio1751 they say it's the same but i seriously doubt it that knowing that patches are not compatible
I suspect it’s likely you had the resonance turned up a bit on the OB-X8 for the patches with the filter cutoff wide open, and definitely the resonance all the way down on the UB-Xa. This will definitely make the UB-Xa sound darker/duller. In any case, just turn the resonance up a bit on the UB-Xa and it comes to life. The Summit is like this as well. This may very well be how the OG OB-Xa works as well. After all, you’re really comparing an OB-X to an OB-Xa.
No, the resonance wasn’t turned up, you would see the bump in the frequency if it was. The UBxa simply doesn’t go as high no matter what you try.
But as I say throughout I’m comparing to a modern OBX not a vintage OBxa
OBX8 for me!
OB-X8 sounds a little brighter or there is a hint of chorus or something on it.
Hope mine UB-XA coming soon
The 8s pinstripe overlay confused the heck out of me 😂
Considering that this is 1200 USD, and assuming UB-X will also be 1200 USD, you can get both Oberheim ‘sounds’ for 2400 with Keybeds, and extra voices, being able to use each independently, which is cheaper than a sans-keybed OB-X8 by 1100. Even if its slightly off, for most sounds, its sounds great, and is truly a bargain. Hope to see UB-X soon.
Are you spending $2400 USD to get a Bargain? or cause you really need 32 oberhiem voices & in 2 giant keyboards at once.... because if I'm spending that kind of money im spending it to get the best sound quality possible & saving space in my studio to fit another very different instrument equal quality next to it by having it in one OBX-8 which i can use Bi-timbrally to paly 2 separate parts of 2 different model oberhiem's in their perfected form ....NOT to get a kind of thier... but miss the last 8% of fine qualities.... It's always the last 8-10% that matters in separating the very good from the exceptional in all things.
That low-end thing is a big deal, unfortunately. Unison mode with a fast attack sounds basically unusable with those pops.
You get what you pay for. The Uli Oberheim I think would sound fine in the mix
sound similar to me. I think it depends what your goals are. If you play for yourself and wear headphones, you 'might' be able to tell them apart. In a mix, based on what I'm hearing here, there is NO WAY you could tell them apart.
About the LF thud at the note onset, Behringer replied to a comment on their FB page claiming that this is DC offset you're hearing because the envelopes are so fast, and that this is normal behavior in the OB-Xa. Would love to know and hear if that's true, but something feels off about that explanation.
I’ve no idea tbh. It could be the case. Not sure why fast envelopes would cause it though… and how does the OBX8 avoid it? And if it can be avoided a firmware update enabling a reduction in the DC offset might be handy. Theres are bias settings in the VCA in the atrophy setting. I did have a play with them but I guess if that was possible Behringer would say so.
@@StarskyCarr You wouldn'thappen to have an OB-Xa lying around by any chance? 😅
@@StarskyCarr i have an OBXa . there is NO dc offset. no thumps.
technically, dc offset can sometimes develop on vintages during eons of time, it only means a capacitor is dying somewhere. which is easily remedied. but its not a normal, accepted mode of operation. tho, i only ever saw this happen on old 2600 and elektor formant modular. never oberheim. but mine all have new capacitors anyway.
dunno if relevant here, but only synths ever that i heard a click on attack were early digital envelopes like on Jup6. tho there is a mod for that which works perfect. in comparison, original OBXA and OBX have hardware envelopes (cem3310).
@@clusterchord1 Thanks for the feedback. That might be what's going on, since the UB uses a digital system for envelope generation, I believe. But so does the X8. But we won't know for sure until someone puts up a comparison video between the UB and the original.
I'm just here for that overlay lol.
Why?
I dunno. Looks pretty cool and I was hoping someone would bring back the blue and black. Classic look. @@SPAZZOID100
the oberheim has different envelope models based on the 3 differ ob's
The thud attack is not acceptable. That has to be fixed.
Apparently Behringer has said it’s true to the original. Someone has mentioned in the comments. I’ve not got one to check (or I’d have put it through its paces).
listening to the video without watching and i have no idea which one is the UB and which one is the OB other when you actively tell so. i get it trying to justify if you already own the OB, but to me, even if the UB would theoreticly sound "less gooder" (imo it doesnt) the difference is not big enough to justify the price.
I was wondering if Behringer finally fixed the clicking sound problem with a firmware update
I don’t know tbh I’ve not got it anymore - I can’t buy and keep everything 😄 a mate wanted one but was on a waiting list so I sold it to him.
What do you think of the poly-aftertouch?
It’s good. Theres a definite bump or stop in the action which I like. It means you can use it like a standard keybed - others are harder to use in everyday ‘normal’ modes.
The obx8 sounds like the amplifier has more headroom before it goes into clip. Whereas tbe ubxa saturates earlier. Which would explain the lack of bottom end push in the ubxa. Tbh in a mix, you probably wouldn't hear the difference. But if you love the ob FOR its low end, then it may be a deal breaker for you.
That said, I'll always be on the fence when it comes to DSI/sequential synth build quality. The ob6 was top notch stuff though. But my prophet 08 and rev2 both felt cheap in comparison
The oberheim is a bit buzzier and spicier in the high end, that's for sure.
For the price difference, the behringer is a fantastic option!
OBX8-another level
Not worth $4000 extra tho.
@@activelow9297 3.5K
About 5% better - 3 grand more