Gale Origin God Epilogue|Tranform Tara into hairless cat | Baldur's Gate 3 (BG3)
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- It's actually heart breaking for me that there's this choice to be choose.. but i instantly click it for the sake of some video. now im regret every moment of it. #baldursgate3 #galeofthewaterdeep #gale #galedakarius #bg3
Hiya! If your want ro see how all the companion react to gale in this ending feel free to look up here
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When i first saw this i thought it was funny, but after romancing gale and finding out everything Tara did for gale, I can only see this as something really cruel.
I know lol the fact people defend it is pretty cruel. She was basically like a mother, friend, sister to him. I can understand wanting to step out from under her wing, but to do this is wrong.
Tara *is* basically his sister. As someone with a sister, I understand completely
As someone who'll never play origin Gale, it's hilarious.
Tara as a character is an insufferable POS so no, you guys who like her are wrong.
But Tara is a cat so you are right to like her.
She’s one of those personality types that if she were human the same people who love her would absolutely say are why they like animals more than people.
I love how Gale wanted a cat, his mom said no, so he summoned another furry mom
Should be a miracle that some of the “bad” endings are good enough that people argue that they are better than the “good” endings. Just means the writers and actors did a good job to keep so many people stuck on which is right
on point! I think this game is all about personal preference. I don't think this is that bad and definitely not evil.
Actually, this ending is evil, cuz if the prognosis that Raphael makes is true, then the story of Karsus repeats.
@@Mix-pk6ck And? Why are we taking Raphael's word for it. Dude thinks the crown will actually help him take over the hells.
@@TheThanatos34Raphael flaw is that he will always assume that he will go out on top, but outside of that he is still a smart planner. He isn't a devil for nothing
@@TheThanatos34 well, he still has good strategies, his only issue is that he is underestimating mortals. And if Tav doesn't agree with Karlach to go to hells and destroy the contract, his plan about the crown would have become true. And a fight with him can be pretty tough since he has 666 hp and can cast ultimately strong spells, that can't be counterspelled. By this, I'm pretty sure his prediction has at least 50% chance to come true.
Losing Tara's respect is exactly why I will never allow this to happen
Tara is being an ass. Many mortals have successfully ascended to divinity ( Kelemvor, Velsharoon, Cyric, Mystra etc.). This looks like a case of petty crabs in a bucket mentality on her part.
gale is like: we do a bit of trolling
She's so based
Aww, he kept her wings!
Fun option, thanks for showing it! Never played Gale origin, but it's nice to see the videos.
What has been seen can never be unseen but how I wish it could.
Larian what have you done!
See, the fundamental issue with critiquing Gale in this ending is that he doesn't actually change all that much in his ascension to godhood. His personality is still relatively similar to his original personality, and Mystra is herself a fundamentally flawed deity. You only have to look at how many times she's gotten herself killed and screwed over magic across the realms because she lacked the ability to conceive of needing to put failsafes in place to keep magic running. She built the entire magic system and then didn't think, 'Hey, maybe I should set up some ways to keep this running if something happens to me.'
She did eventually get around to creating Weave Anchors after her third death and the Spellplague, but the fact that it literally took her dying three times to actually finally get off her ass and come up with a way to keep magic from spiraling out of control should tell you just how monumentally bad Mystra is at being a god. Beyond that, she has archetypically always been highly abusive towards her lovers, and makes no moves to interfere with any evil-doers utilizing her powers for their own ends. While yes, she's a neutral deity, she fundamentally has to understand that letting evil people run rampant with her powers inevitably going to result in problems for her personally.
They literally had to introduce new forms of 'evil' magic into the setting that didn't originally exist in order to create literally any conflict with Mystra and other magical entities, because she cared that little what evil people did with her magic. The Shadow Weave, and Karsite Weave are both key examples of Forgotten Realm authors having to create a new evil magic to literally introduce any conflict into Mystra as a character having a problem with anyone. So no, I absolutely don't trust Mystra with the crown anymore than I trust Gale with it. The fact that there isn't a version where you say, 'Fuck it, I'm taking the crown from your both and breaking that shit so no one can have it' is baffling to me.
I just finished my first playthrough and the Crown fell into the ocean and we left it there. Didn’t have to give it to Mystra and Gale still got his professor ending.
It's important to note until the latest incarnation each goddess of Magic is completely separate entity rather than same continuous being: Mystryl, Mystra (a Netherise Peasant) and Midnight. The current Mystra (Midnight) only received memories of the others after her 'death' and restoration in aftermath of the Spellplague. You could argue that Midnight should have learned from her predecessors but she did learn from her own death.
Is there a TL;DR section ?
@@TPishekIt fell on into the sea does not really matter.
Gale will look for the crown and found it anyway if you cannot convience him to stop.
@@SpinTheWords It's 3 paragraphs... it's full of Information that's actually interesting about Mystra... If you're going to glance over that and go "OH MY GAWSH THAT IS SO MUCH TO READ.... TLDR?" ... you don't deserve a TLDR.
When the Tressym knows better then you do
When the tressym thinks it knows better than you, Giving the crown to mystra would be a mistake; unlocking dreadful potential in her portfolio I wouldn’t trust the Goddess of Magic with, especially how she groomed Gale and sees mortals as mere pawn pieces to move on a board.
Giving the crown to rapheal would basically be giving the crown back to the hells and revert things to a status quo, No way is Rapheal powerful enough to conquer the 9 hells let Alone the Arch-devil of the 9 hells (Who is also a greater Deity)
If mephistopheles the arch devil had the crown for that many millennia and relegated it to a vault why does a mere Cambion believe that he would fare any better with it, it’s the flaw of Devils.
In no way is giving the crown to Gale a definitive Good choice as he can use his godhood for mostly whatever reason still he’s very limited when it comes to interference and he understands that Lord Ao could easily smite him or his godhood for overstepping bounds.
So yes I’d rather entrust the power of the crown to the person who can put it to best use/Rather have a new lesser God than see Mystra gain dreadful power and use it on top pf her own to destabilize the cosmic balance;
Not to mention it’s the only option where a trusted friend/ally gets control of the crown rather than an unfeeling apathetic goddess or a two faced Cambion that intends to conquer my world and others after his own.
In this case as well you have The neutral God of Ambition beginning to challenge the authority of the evil God Of strife and Tyranny in Thay;
Bane is another pain in the ass and the only member of the dead 3 who basically has a functioning church (Church of Bhaal-Myrkul destroyed)
Bane isn’t the type of God to go away easily especially by mortals hands, having a new neutrally aligned God Opposing an Evil for influence is the only way I can definitively trust that Bane’s Power/Worshippers whittle away; Itd be all the more easier seeing as bane isn’t a full deity, merely a quasi-deity with a Stagnant/Withering church contending with a Newly Ascended God and his Ever growing church.
@@korgclips868Seems like you dont undestand Mystra and her background (particularly this incarnation) or the other endings. The game make it VERY VERY clear that Gale ascending is a bad ending - just like every single character ascension ending is a bad ending in BG3. And on the flip side, the game makes it abundantly clear that giving the crown to Mystra is the good ending/decision.
She didnt even "groom" Gale, thats such bullshit. He started studying under her when he was nearly 18 and was MUCH older by the time anything happened between them. If anything, he was the one who betrayed her trust. All this nonsense about grooming tells me you also dont know what "grooming" means either
@@theemeraldhourThis is a fantasy game wherein Mystra is thousands of years old. Gale being barely 18 or even 26, does not make him equal to Mystra. Mystra was his goddess, his teacher, his superior. That would make him her student, her inferior, and a mortal. He was subject to her every whim. Even without taking his age into consideration, they have a complete power imbalance. Teacher/student relationships, and boss/employee relationships are illegal for a reason.
However, when we take his age into consideration, it still matters. Grooming is about the abuse of power to get someone less experienced and way younger than you than you to be totally dependent on you, so you can extract things you want from them such as sex and work. In real life, the reason grooming is seen and defined as adults grooming children is because there are no multiple century-old age gaps in which an adult can groom another adult. In this case, it is a fantasy world, so the definition of grooming can apply here too in a way it doesn't work in real life. Mystra groomed him, because she is thousands of years old, and he is but a child compared to her. Because there is such a humongous age gap, it is possible.
And lastly, Mystra being a groomer who took advantage of a student-teacher relationship has nothing to do with whether she'd be a good fit for the crown or not. Focus on that, because I genuinely would like to hear counterarguments as to why Mystra is a good option. I agree that most character ascensions are framed as a bad thing, and I haven't quite gotten to this part of Act 3, so I want to know what to do when this choice comes.
@theemeraldhour I just don't understand *why* this is a "bad" ending; Mystra is also neutral, and was similarly mortal before ascending. Hell, she was friends with Cyric. If gods aren't infinitely virtuous and wise, but merely level 21s, I just don't get the problem. The game does tell us that power for power's sake is bad, and I generally agree with that message... but Mystra wanted Gale to off himself, which would have taken him away from his loved ones just the same. She also doesn't need the power, as a greater deity, already.
I'm not that thick in theory since the game doesn't have my first language translated. But i do think this ending the whole Gale ,God of ambition unique dialouge trying to tell everyone and anyone that ever witness him in this party to join his prayer,Turns Tara into a hairless cat while she's about to leave him. It doesn't do any harm to the big picture. but one thing about this that hurting me so much is how lonely he will be after this party. In this Origin case.
If Tav got this God Gale ending and joining with him, It will be somewhat bitter sweet ending, Tav become god at his side. He won't be lonely, the most predictable bad future is some demon come knocking at the elysium. while the heaven scene we see was nice. The other one which he just an odinary man, is much more happier than this. Tara invite Tav for meeting his mom, Gale accepts that sometimes small happinest is more valuable than god hood.
I did all the god route just to know what he will become, but if what the most canon thing is what us belive what it is? This isn't it.
I should do a playthrough where everyone becomes the worst version of themselves.
The "I can make him/her worse" playthrough
"Look at what you did to Mr. Bigglesworth!"
Ah, that's how you know it's supposed to be a bad ending, come oooooon, who does that to a cat?
Still hot, though. Powerhugry Durge would 10/10 approve and ascend by Gale's side just to go for papa's throne, they can totally be a better god than Bhaal.
Ascended!Astarion would absolutely approve and romance Gale just to ascend. Dunno what portfolio Ao would give to Astarion, though, it's an interesting question.
Sharran!Shadowheart... maybe. She is devoted to Shar, though, so don't know how she'd feel about ascending with Gale.
Well, yeah. All of those would approve because all of those are their "Bad Endings".
its not a bad action though - she complained about beard, she clearly dislikes hairs, so good guy Gale just upgraded her)
I think I need to go to bed because he did this and I cracked up! I love Tara but I think it’s just because of a conversation they had in Act 1 when she’s pestering him to shave and he says something along the lines of that happening only if he shaves her too…
So what is your power as the god, Gale?
I have the power to make naked whomever I want.
Hmm... that's ambitious.
For everyone who thinks that this can be considered a good ending ... listen what Raphael has to say about Gale's ascension to godhood.
On a separate note. Look at what happens when people (or NPCs in BG3) put their ambitions on a pedestal. Dekarios is not a god of hope, patience, hard work or resilience.
He's the God of Ambition.
There's no reason to believe that is what will happen. Raphael is just pushing smoke up his own ass there. The dude has more hubris than Gale; he isn't even a real devil - he's a cambion, a half-fiend - and yet he acts like the king of the world (or hell in this case). You can argue whether Gale ascending is good or bad but Raphael's prediction should play no role in that discussion
@@exantiuse497 oh, but he has.
You see, it's his main occupation to plot and recognise potential for disaster. Weaknesses of mortals are his specialty. _Ambition_ is one of those weaknesses. It drives people to give up their values and sell their souls, figuratively speaking (or quite literally if we're talking about D&D and other magical universes). Obviously, with a God of Ambition you no longer need to turn to a devil for favours. But honestly, perhaps having some ambitions being infinitely blessed and strengthened by a God of Ambition is far worse than the most vile pact with a devil. Generally, it should give you something to think when a god grants you similar perks as a devil.
I agree with you, Raphael has a rather inflated understanding of his powers, particularly compared to gods. But I trust him to know under which circumstances things start to go south, and him being gleeful about Gale's Ascension is a red flag.
No. Raphael is not what makes me say God Gale ain't a "good ending". God of Ambition enabling mortals to do something catastrophically disastrous is what I'm worried about. Or God of Ambition getting ambitious and making a mess on a multi-realm level, causing either some form of massive Apocalypse or a Ragnarok-like scenario ... that's more like it. Raphael's initial plan took place during the Grand Design disaster, so whatever disaster he expects to rise from Dekarios' Divinity must be of a similar scale, if not worse.
@@Trazyn_the_Hoarder he's ultimately just a (very powerful) cambion in the end. the predictions he makes relies on actually believing and trusting what he has to say, and he isnt exactly infallible.
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If Raphael is so smart, how come I killed him? Hm?
@@josephmother6822 I didn't say that he was smart. I said that he's an expert in certain fields, those field being "smelling potential for trouble and chaos" and "exploiting weaknesses of mortals". It's not about power or smarts, it's about being an expert at very specific things.
Additionally ... you can kill all sorts of NPCs in BG3. It doesn't tell anything about their mental capabilities, or yours.
Gale claims to be the god of ambition, but he strikes me more as being driven by a hunger for power. That is what separated him from Mystra. He wanted her to reveal more secrets, give him more power, and almost ruined himself with a Netheril artifact. Being Mystra's lover wasn't good enough for him, he wanted her to grant him more power when she was trying to protect him. Ambition isn't necessarily a bad thing, per se, but Gale won't remain content with his domain. It'll just be a matter of time before he starts trying to take more domains, probably going after Mystra first. It'll be like the Avatar war all over again.
‘claims to be the god of ambition, but he strikes me more as being [gives the primary definition of ambition]’
Huh?
@@cadian101st Success is the common goal of ambitious people, which doesn't have to involve power. God-Gale is more obsessive, though he isn't quite a megalomaniac. That's what I was alluding to. The way he describes his supplicants lines up with the definition of ambition that is 'success through hard work.'
Gale might be a good person, but only when there isn't something to tempt him. The moment he sees the Crown of Karsus and again when he learns what it is, he immediately falls back into obsessing over getting power Mystra won't give him.
That's a bit disappointing. You would think after Mystra "helped" gale by telling him to blow himself up would have soured Tara to Mystra enough to be a bit more sympathetic to Gale going his own way. At least enough to hear him out. It also bugs me that there is such a weird hostility to the idea of a mortal becoming a god even though most of the gods started that way - including Mystra.
Also odd that so many (even here, in the comments) are comparing gale ascending to godhood to Karsus. Certainly if Gale chose to attack Mystra, that would make sense, but if he just chose to do his own thing it doesn't. Karsus tried to steal divinity from Mystra, not achieve it on his own.
Did you just turn Astarion into a Tressym? 😂
well he's an animate object..😳
@@alicexandria6175 So I'm envisioning God Gale turns up, turns all his friends into Tressyms because that's how he shows his affection and then tootles off back to Elysium. Fair play 🤣
Are the gods truly this petty?
always and forever
Don’t do anything to upset Shar or Lolth especially, lol
Canonically Not all. Most Seldarine for example are rather tame (Sometimes too tame in my opinion). If we exclude Mr. "I will never Smile until ALL Drow are dead"-shevarash...
@@sidecharacter7165 Its almost imposible not to upset Shar
In Forgotten Realms they absolutely are
350 hours and 7 various playthroughs and I still have yet to fully explore gale and didn’t even consider how his previous family and friends took him becoming the god of ambition. I always believed it was truly an objectively good ending for him. I did origin Wyll for my honor mode run and learned so much new shit and honestly liked him as a character so much more from doing so. This game really is just the game that keeps on giving.
Completely unimpressed with divinity... sounds like a cat.
Ascended to godhood and still can't cast spells above 6th level. F
God Gale gets three level 9 spells
Anyone know how to achieve this ending with Origin Gale?
Mystra keeps killing me 😂
Just don't fight mystra for control over the weave
Gale always rubbed me the wrong way no matter what and in my playthrough i was pissed when he somehow got his hands on the crown like bro did not deserve it and willing to let evil people chase their ambitions no matter the consequences he is truly like any god now. Not an air of care only spreading their name and influence I feel bad for Tara
What happens if you piss off Withers as God Gale?
good question
Apparently not as powerful as Jergal so he gets yanked off reality still
@@lukenluna yep not recommended.
Makes sense, Gale would be a Lesser God at least to start, and Jergal is definitely higher in the pecking order
Withers sends you away anyway.
Can god Gale turn Tara into a divine feline?
He does have spell that turns living things into tressym(Like i used on astarion) But to turn real Tara into divine feline is.. I think is possible but Tara wouldn't like it tho. She'd rather be with gale mom than become a divine.
@@alicexandria6175 is one of the options for you to forgo divinity on her request? I hate upsetting her so.
Thats cool, do the others comment aswell?
I am working on the others! The file is very big but yeah im uploading
Personally i think Gale ascension is neutral-positive ending.
Neutral part is him becoming God of Ambition not good and not a bad thing by itself.However under domain influence it can eventually led equally likely to both positive and negative results.
Positive part is if you romance Gale as Tev and have enough faith in your character.Which is quite arbitrary, but still.
Problem is divine realm and gods in generall during events of game did practically nothing despite facing a threat such as Absolute.
And who knows what can happen in future, so better count only on yourself which means gaining as much power as possible if that power comes with minimal consequences both in short and long perspective.
Godhood is quite universal source of power because it divided by ranks. So if you want be even mightier you can be, but this will lead to certain consequences (likely bad), and if you don't want you still will have practically unlimited lifespan for your plans , instead of like century or millenia at max.
I've played the game a lot and I still don't understand why Tara was so hostile towards God Gale, so she suggest the best solution is to give the Crown of Karsus to a Goddess who ignored Gale's problem instead of giving it to a friend?
Is this when he gets the crown? I’ve never done it with him.
Damn that is just cruel
Gale would be sick if he saw this in his future. No god disrespects Tara >:0
In the ending in which he doesn't become a god, he just sounds...unhappy.
Imma be real. I heard about Gale’s cat from him, but only met her in like act 3 on a roof. I’ve never even seen her in camp, if she even shows up.
I mean, hungering for power is kinda bad and stupid, but if they did it and succeeded to achieve the said power, I don’t see a point to be so salty about it.
The last mortals who gained godhood were the dead three and they're a bunch of power hungry assholes. So I can see why people don't look favorably on someone doing it again
The last mortals who gained godhood were the dead three and they're a bunch of power hungry assholes. So I can see why people don't look favorably on someone doing it again
@bgill6623 as well as last mortal who sought power using crown literally caused magicapocalypse, destroying his entire empire and got turned into a stone statue, forever
@@Makareno94 yeah I forget karsus because his godhood was momentary but the dead 3 have shown what constant godhood for a mortal looks like
@@bgill6623 mystra is a former mortal too, and kelemvor is the current god of the dead and is an absolute bro.
Lol
Anyone who defends this ending as good is a walking Red flag. I will be ignoring comments that disgree. Sometimes your just wrong. Goodbye
Well, being wrong is not that bad, compared to being an asshole. Don't mind me ignoring you back, btw
This is such a funny comment lmao
I hope you're less insufferable in real life. Goodbye
I don't get it, what is wrong with gale ascention to godhood? He didn't harm anyone or anything in the process nor does he plan to, if anything she sounds jealous
I think that his domain is taking over his personality -
So with time there will be no Gale left, only the God of Ambition
@@E_D___ Yeah, when you talk with him in the epilogue he’s giving some serious Ascended Astarion vibes in how his personality has been twisted by the power
Because people are bunch of cowards and are afraid of a little bit power. My boys deserve to be eatin good, so I let them get their ascensions (not Lae'zel and Shart tho, their ascensions are scams)
@@viktorkudriavtsev830 Preach, become God, disregard women.
A huge problem (based on what little I know of Forgotten Realms lore so take this with a grain of salt) is that gods struggle to see the world in other perspectives outside of their domain. So while human Gale might have originally thought he could use godly powers for good, as a god he may (eventually) lose the ability to even determine good from evil. All he would see are great, ambitious acts, and mediocre contentment. He wouldn't _become_ evil, but as the God of Ambition, he might fuel it.
But he might not. Maybe he'd hold onto his desire to do good. After all, in order to become Ambition he had to put aside some of his greatest desires (control over the Weave and maybe a little bit of revenge against Mystra) to not just try to take Mystra's realm from her and instead claim his own, maybe as a god he'd still appreciate the difference between wanting success versus power. Maybe as a god he would try to avoid what Mystra does, since her magic fuels evil as much as it does good - he does seem to try to learn from Mystra's mistakes with how he interacts with a romanced Tav and tries to keep them safe from unintended manipulation. But as far as Tara knows, Gale has given everything up for power.
God Gale is the good ending, the cat is just mad that her long term grooming didn't work.
The good ending lmao.
Well, he could have Wished her to end like Vlaakith, and yet he didn't.
He probably couldn't, during the game he mentions that gods can't directly interfere with mortal affairs because some sort of overgod forbids it. Vlaakith can do it, because she isn't actually a goddess
@@viktorkudriavtsev830 Yes as far as I know Ao who is the god of gods has forbid other gods from interfering directly with mortal affairs so most gods pick some mortal as chosen who carry out their will like the three antagonists of this game.
It's to stop a 'war in heaven' thing from kicking off; that's why Selune doesn't just go get Nightsong herself, assuming she even knows where they are. They have to use agents, proxies and avatars which are all nowhere near as powerful as the divine. The last time divine beings (the dead three) started something Ao took every god's divinity (except helm iirc, because he had to guard something) and made them mortal. Ao is kept very vague but afaik the general interpretation is Ao is effectively the stand in/avatar for a DM.
Some of you are purposely forgetting that a ton of God's were mortal first. It's not some crazy uncommon thing that never happens. Gale has many faults, but so do all of the other gods
Yeah and what exactly does a cat know about being a god?
More than Gale.
In the end, she's still a cat and mostly cares only for herself
No, she didn’t want to watch her loved one destroy himself. When you chat with him as Tav it becomes real obvious real quick that his personality has been twisted by the power. Similar to Ascended Astarian
@@NeoCreo1 I understand your point, but I always thought it was selfish for the Tav to stop either of them from chasing their dreams just because it didn't line up with *their* moral values, or they thought it *changed* them too much.
@@A_real_Wizard It's selfish from Tav to stop Astarion from condemming 7000 innocent souls to the hells?
@@lukasosterloher9105 It's selfish for Tav to think they *need* to stop Astarion.
Instead of trusting him not to do it in the first place.
@@A_real_Wizard The only reason he doesnt do it without you is because he cant. He needs your eyes in order to carve the runes. And if you fail a persuasion check he gets mad at you and leaves.
I feel like Gale God’s ending would go bad if he went after Mystra, but if he keeps to his own domain I think he’d be perfectly fine.
The idea that Mystra is some good goddess is just not true. She grooms young wizards and is more neutral than anything. If you give Mystra the crown, Raphael has similar words for her.
“Keeps to his own domain”. He’s the god of ambition, that doesn’t sound like something he’d do lol.
As I read Mystra and many other gods have been mortal before ascending, so at this point they just want to keep anyone from joining the club@@Aregulargameplayer
@@TheThanatos34Ever since Mystra became a Goddess, she's been dead like 75% of the time. She only was restored around 10 years before the game starts, so not sure where the grooming comes from, because Gale sounds closer to 40 than 20. And if you talk about Minsc's comments, he is from Rashemen, ruled by a bunch of witches, and does not seem to have the mental capacity to understand that Mystra is not one of the Wychlaran witches, so he makes up something he believes is true.