You did not really kill him, I'm afraid. I defeated him in the house of hope, romanced Gale, had him ascend and when we went to leave the after show party Raphael turned up and demanded the crown. Gale had some thoughts about that and just poofed him away.
Withers (translated): "Are you like... dumb? What made you think that was a good idea? Anyway, you fucked around, you found out. Not sure what happens now, death can be a complex thing. Good luck, space cowboy!"
@@Re3Ns He works under Kelemvor. Kelemvor is the one Withers is referring to when he says something like "And here you are as predicted. He is always right." But Withers is entombed in a temple to Jergal right behind his statue, and Jergal is the scribe of life and death or some such, and he's always talking about striking life and death from his book. The reason he tells the Dead Three to "begone" at the end and insults each of them is because Jergal was a god, who let those three split his power and become gods themselves, for an unclear reason, and then became what he is now. Based on everything in the game, that reason may have been so that he can intervene in mortal affairs where a god like Kelemvor cannot, and help mortals stop beings like them. Kelemvor, who once got in trouble for favoring good souls over evil, also clearly set him on the path, so it's also a way for him to still help via Jergal, much like Mystra does using Elminster. I was curious about him after playing the game every which way and went down a rabbit hole of lore :D
@@Re3Ns He's HEAVILY suggested to be Jergal, Ex-God of Death and now Scribe of the Dead. There's a book in the game that says how Jergal met an adventurer and the first thing he asked was "What was the weight of one mortal life?" which is what Withers says. He calls himself a scribe. And in the epilogue, he makes fun the now Gods of Death because he has no respect for them, and views then like children compared to him. And outside the game, his concept art repeatedly calls him Jergal
The very ending cutscene is Withers talking to the dead three and he says something like “even with the powers you were gifted you weren’t able to see what was written” meaning Withers knew we wouldn’t die because he can see All the names of those living and in death, our names never cross into death, we’re always living. Meaning we were destined to win
Gale, a god for 5 seconds with zero followers: I'ma take on a goddess who told Shar to sit the fuck down after the fall of risen Netheril and made her do it (and within Mystra's domain by the looks of it)
I think she would humour this crap more, if people didn't immediately get froggy and try to jump her the moment they got juiced. She obviously doesn't care THAT much, because Balthazar was using shadow weave, and Mystra evidently doesn't care as much as Gale said she does. I get the whole "divine intervention" bit, but I would imagine that a deity putting a stop to somebody fucking around or profaning their "domain" wouldn't count as randomly intervening.
@@Noxissatbf the Karsus situation the first time ended up killing Mystryl making her have to reincarnate as Mystra. so its not like there isnt a reason to believe he doesnt have a chance.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeperits a messy situation. the shadow weave is Shar's meaning if Mystra becomes directly involved so will Shar and regardless of who is more powerful two goddesses fighting isnt good for anyone. also doesnt help the other greater deities have already disciplined both Mystra and Kelemvor for favoring good mortals over evil ones.
Tav: Who's stronger, Mystra, or you? Gale: If she were to use 100% of her power, she might give me a little trouble. Tav: But would you lose? Gale: Nah, I'd win.
Such a sinister ending... I just love Raphael's Final Act instrumental in the background, it works so well. Oh, and Andrew just kills with his line delivery, of course.
@@GBEWgw2 A lot of people ? Neil Newbon has been well acclaimed for his performance as Astarion, for instance. It's like saying you don't care about the actor or actress who played a beloved character in a movie or series. Plus Wincott also did mo-cap for Raphael, so he's not only a voice actor here. And he won a BAFTA for it. Hardly "no one cares".
not sure how rare this is now, but i've gotten a variant of this ending accidentally. i had a weird bug occur in which the game thought i had promised the crown to raphael. my companions even commented on how foolish i was for it, but i hadn't even told raphael i'd give it to him! gale ended up giving the crown to mystra which, of course, PISSED raphael off. i got roughly the same speech, except it was more raphael telling me my consequences are that i get to find out bc i fucked around lol
My game sorta bugged too when I did a durge run, I killed Raphael in the House of Hope but he still showed up after withers in my post credits scene lol
@@BeCurieUs Karsus from what I understand was the goat of wizards like he couldve become a god but he chose the wrong god and thing is gale would likely be a lesser god greater gods are league's above them so if gale wanted to usurp her he would need lots of worshippers temples praise from nations and realms to reach higher levels of power then he couldve taken her on but not before shes much older and is used to her powers
Karsus believed that with the power of a deity at his disposal, he could destroy the phaerimm and unite his people. He cast his spell and Karsus gained powers over all magic. Unfortunately, his choice was a terrible mistake, for one of the responsibilities of the deity of magic was to regulate the flow of magic to and from all beings, spells, and magic items in the world and he was lacking the ability to do so properly, @@joshuamourning6650
@@BeCurieUs he didn’t take on mystra in the same way, gale tried to actually *fight* her while Karsus used a spell to basically become her. And Karsus actually succeeded but the error was in his success, he took Mystrls godhood and instantly realized it was a mistake because of the newly gained omnipotence, what he had done was going to unravel existence so Mystrl killed herself to save the world, eventually bringing about the new goddess of magic mystra who then made the use of high level spells practically impossible She’s worse than Mystryl and a tyrant imo
@@leek58 That is basically what I meant, though. Karsus was out there inventing 12th level spells, what's our man Gale really doing besides being a boy toy of a God. Powerful wizard, sure, powerful friends and lovers, aboslutely. Probing the magics at the highest levels possible, rivaling the power of gods....ehhh, not so much. Or at least, not in the game we playthrough. Clearly there is some back history of Gale we don't know of exactly. Obviously, Gale also exists in a time where 12th level spells are impossible (in theory), but still, it doesn't feel like he has the same pedigree, yet. And while you are right that they were trying to obtain godhood in different ways (direact assult vs powerfull spells), Gale feels lesser. Perhaps, though, that is only because magic is now lesser than before the fall. So being king among wizards now just means less after Mystryl's death.
Gale saying "Alright, the Crown is there. Go fetch." to Raphael was so satisfying. Especially when he turns around to you and goes "Yeah that's gonna be a problem. But it's my problem, so see ya."
Yea even as a minor god you're easily strong enough to tell Raph to fuck off for a while, but taking on Mystra? The goddess of fucking magic itself? That's just asking to be smited.
See, the difference was a minor God flaunting against a devil compared to a fledgling/minor god trying to take on the Major God of Magic. Granted, if Gale waited 5 minutes, Mystara would probably have died again for the umpteenth time but the point stands
Here Gale tries to take over Mystra's domain itself, which she fights him over. Meanwhile, in the one where he survives, he takes a smarter approach of taking up a separate domain and thus is just occupying another space rather than challenging her existence.
Just a random thing I noticed with Withers in this scene: He moves with exactly the same mannerisms as Gale does when he's speaking to Tav, using the same hand movements and head positionings and little head jerks to emphasize words. It is literally exactly identical. Almost mocking, or like Whithers doesn't know how to portray himself so he just pretends to act like the person he's talking to.
given he has almost the same speech if you k y s as durge at the end i think its just recycled animations, but there aint nothin wrong with that, esp since i didnt even notice until you pointed it out
Raphaels final words too gale in this ending are haunting ngl withers made me feel like their was peace for him then raphael was like nah youre mine now fool
@@kyltredragmire4939 well idk maybe it was some bug but i definitely killed him and he was all mad at me for breaking the pact anyway at the end, i thought that maybe despite killing him he somehow comes back
It's ironic that Gale should know the folly of challenging Mystra. No matter what power you think you wield. But I suppose having godlike power blinded him.
well considering the fact that the last mortal to challenge a version of the goddess of magic was erased from existence and his folly literally a parable he should have known better
Holy fucking shit, ending with what remains of your soul, after being a damn God nonetheless, in the house of hope is such a terrible fucking ending, in an AMAZING way, that... wow and damn....
How exactly does Raphael plan on taking what remains of gales soul to the house oh hope, we already see Gale in the fugue plane & withers has made it clear that it isn’t the end for his friend, There’s little to no chance withers would allow Gales soul to be whisked away to the hells; even if you signed a contract with him its pretty much null and empty anyways, as his advocate in the city of judgement again I highly doubt that Withers would allow the saviour of the Realms to be confined to an eternity of torement; its just raphael throwing a fit that he didn’t get his way and trying to sour your victory by twisting the ending with his words.
@korgclips868 if you get the bad ending, the one with Raphael going after gale soul, you are probably in debt with Raphy-boy and devils have the cosmic right, I don't make the rules, to claim your soul. If you get the good ending you kinda kill or put Raphy-boy on hold for a while so... kinda hard for him to go after any soul lol
@@joaovitorreisdasilva9573Yeah I suppose so, thats why i make sure in my playthroughs to not even sign a contract, just break into his house and take the hammer without giving him the means to take your soul; Even if you steal back the contract like you said it’s more of a postponement. Don’t play rigged games with devils & Ascend alongside Gale as a God to rub it in his face is what I did, all his ending scenes of him explaining how things can go terrible should be taken with a grain of salt; Man is just pissed off that a bunch of Mortals defied Fate alongside him & now after waiting centuries for the crown its once again beyond his grasp. He’ll do and say anything to try and sour the victory while bolstering his ego & implanting the idea of his return. Regardless even if the cambion got a hold of the crown it would no doubt end similarly to gale trying to usurp Mystra in his origin, Asmodeus is beyond a mere archdevil & possesses a divine spark (which he tricked a god into giving) Hells; the crown was originally in a vault in the Hells before it was stolen by the dead three’s chosen. If the crown was so powerful to potentially overthrow Asmodeus then the Arch-devil in possession would’ve utilized its power. alas it was relegated to a Vault, its just hilarious that a Half Devil believes he has a chance at conquering the hells (Asmodeus is but a rumour even in the hells and most devils don’t know his true power, to Raphael’s disadvantage; Even in the one situation where he “Wins” he still loses
@@ghostlyswat12 It would be well beyond what any mortal can normally accomplish. You might or might not be at the level of gods, depending on equipment and other things you've earned through your journeys. Fully up to the DM's discretion. There are old D&D sessions still ongoing from over 30 years ago that had the necessity of raising the level cap to 30, going even further than just battling gods, but going into other dimensions and realities.
In actual d&d, there isn't a Level for NPCs, at least not really. The closest thing there is to a level, is the Challange Rating, which is an often bad but most of the time at least helpful estimate, on when your average party of 4 to 5 players should encounter something. So for example, a Goblin with a Challange Rating of 1/4 would be a very easy fight for 4 to 5 players of Level one. So adding more together, would be the right choice, if you want a hard fight. The challange rating goes up to 30, while character levels stop at 20. Just like regularly, without certain magic items or the correct class, your abilities cap at 20, while some enemkes go up to 30 in that point as well. For the challange rating that means, that a group of 4 to 5 level 20 players, would have to face the equivalent of fighting a level 20 enemy at level 10. Since gods would be at a Challange Rating of 30, if they had official stats in 5e. What this means is, that Gale in this clip, clearly overestimates gis own power. At level 12, you are powerful, really powerful, but thats a level you can still easily die at. Level 7 spells is the reason why Larian capped it at Level 12, they are broken and sometimes reality warping. A level 20 wizard can cause meteors to fall down from the sky, cause tidal waves thst sink ships, can suggest a certain course of action to a huge amount of people and they'd be forced to follow it if they fail one save. That same wizard can permanently cast useful spells at will and has mastered their craft. You think desintegration is sick? The power word spells are! You can literally stop time and then throw out combos at your enemy, that will take them out of combat pretty quickly. Gale, at level 12, is the god of idiots, not the god of ambition. If he thinks he can beat Mystra, who herself was a high level adventurer who became a god. The point of D&D isn't to kill gods though, honestly, thats mlre of a bad guy thing and most campaigns aren't an evil BG3 playthrough. Killing a god in D&D is a rare thing that most of time isn't permanent. The dead three for example have died and risen many times. That doesn't mean though, that it is impossible. Just like a party of level 10 characters could potentially survive a CR 20 encounter if they are well prepared and are truly cunning, a Level 20 party coukd take down a god. The powers characters at that level have are crazy and to anyone but a god, they'd be akin to one.
@@ghostlyswat12hmm, I'd say that at level 20, you meet the bare minimum requirements to tussle with a god. If the party does well and manages to win, they may ascend to godhood or some such. But fighting, say, tiamat the mother of dragons, even for a lvl 20 party is a ROUGH fight. Mostly depends on the DM's hostility/willingness to fully use her kit and action economy each turn. Legendary items etc are usually still required to win over deities and gods.
I really must do a playthrough where I accept Raph's offer for these cool endings, it's just rescuing Hope always plays on my mind when I play, accepting his offer means she stays inprisoned and tormented by him
@@ElectricalExistence if you go to his house, then you have to kill him before you can leave. if you want his offer to stand for the epilogue, he must still be alive.
Very interesting how much of the important ending content is shown only if you play as an origin character. The sheer amount of content in this game never ceases to amaze me.
I don’t know what’s stupider… challenging a more powerful and more experienced god, or making a deal with a devil then reneging the deal without killing the devil. No alignment here another than stupid. Maybe chaotic-stupid
To be fair, Mystra is not THAT difficult to kill, but he needed to wait at least until he was level 25 to do it, not level 12. Plenty of people killed Mystra's incarnations before.
This feels as the best ending for a origin Gale, a man consumed by ambition. The Orb, The Crown, the Weave. In the ending he doesn't even have his soul. Absolute masterpiece !
I KNEW IT! Soon as I got Gale back in Beta and his infatuation with Mystra plus needing to eat magic items I said he was Karsus 2.0 Ha ha ha ha...4 years and vindication. Called it! I gotta figure out how to get this now. I love this game so much, Larian just keeps on giving
He can actually stay a god and mystra allows it if he chooses the option to be the god of ambition and not challenge her! So many endings to this game it’s unreal
@@darkurgediaries Gods bless this game and it's writers, and Larian. Still can't believe other studios tried to hate on it...instead of just making better games.
@@darkurgediaries"Mystra allows it." as if she had any choice. Who rises to godhood and who doesn't isn't her choice. And the other wizards only critizise him for it because they wish they could have done the same.
Raphael taking about Gale's hubris when he's doing the same thing if he have the crown lmao, dude really think he'll take the Hells, which is arguably even dumber than Gale trying to 1v1 a Goddess
@@darkurgediaries If they are killed in their home plane they die for real, we killed Raph in Avernus, considering he is Mephistopheles' son I imagine he respawned in Cania and then we see his final end
It's much better to let Mystra be and have Gale sit in Celestia right next to her. It's literally the best "Hey, hey Mystra! Go fuck yourself." you could do.
It really was ambitious to take on a goddess that is quite possibly one of the strongest there is as a new god. I mean sure it didn't exactly work out because ambition without the power to back it doesn't really get you far. And Galel found that out the hard way
How exactly does Raphael plan on taking what remains of gales soul to the house oh hope, we already see Gale in the fugue plane & withers has made it clear that it isn’t the end for his friend, There’s little to no chance withers would allow Gales soul to be whisked away to the hells; even if you signed a contract with him its pretty much null and empty anyways, as his advocate in the city of judgement again I highly doubt that Withers would allow the saviour of the Realms to be confined to an eternity of torement; its just raphael throwing a fit that he didn’t get his way and trying to sour your victory by twisting the ending with his words.
My guess: 6 months later, they'll drop another patch where you actually get to fight Mystra instead of it being a scripted auto-lose, make Gale the God of Whatever She Was, and show him wrecking the world because he really doesn't know what gods are supposed to do, or what he's doing as one.
you literally cannot even hold a candle to that goddess's flame, her's will consume your's in less than the most micro of seconds. Ever wonder why she has so many chosen? Its to purposely weaken herself, half of her power is divided among her chosen mortals, and even with only half her power she can easily eliminate anyone who threatens her domain over magic.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket youd be surprised how much you missed and how many alternative scenes there are. And I enjoy it! Also making content for youtube 😊
How do you avoid this ending, on a dark urge play through romancing Gale and i pretty much made this play through to have us ascend as gods in epilogue so in my head cannon Durge can act as the antithesis To Bhaal & a Goddess Of Rebirth and Emancipation; A Gatekeeper of Chaos
@sad.platypus this can happen if he's a companion, so far only way I know to get this in either way is to hunt the crown down rather than use it to ascend right there and then.
Just choose to be the god of ambition i stead of challenge mystra when given the option, this is strictly the gale origin ending. I think when he is a companion and he meets mystra at the tabernacle, what you say to him has some effect as well.
Yeah but there was zero chance that Gale could have actually pulled it off even with the Crown. Mystra was way too experienced fighting way tougher deities than him. She also has millions of devoted followers whereas he has none. This is also taking place in the Weave itself which is literally where Mystra is strongest. Poor guy let hubris get the better of him. Karsus originally stole Mystra's power with his spell but in this case she's at 100% still which means nobody short of a Greater God could even hold their ground let alone a newbie like Gale.
@@kylepessell1350bah she’s written to be nearly indestructible but that doesn’t excuse her for being a very boring deity. Also midnight is a terrible origin story and I wish people would stop hopping on her lore. Mystra isn’t even that powerful in bg3, shar can protect her own in the shadow cursed lands and mystra can do nothing about the shadow weave other than cleanse it with clerics.
Gales entire problem was taking on Mystra immidietly instead of familiarise himself with his new powers and planning his next steps. Not very 20+ INT of him
Fuck Mystra I’m backing God Gale he doesn’t die in my game he’ll win his fight plan it out expand his followers and give more mortals a chance to achieve their ambitions
You get the full version of that song that plays right at the end of the video if you refuse to accept Raphael's deal with the Crown for the Hammer, and still want to get the hammer yourself. Read on if you want full spoilers though! You can break into the House of Hope in an attempt to steal the Hammer from him, and on the way out with it you are thrown into a bossfight with Raphael himself - and that song plays in the background the whole while. It's really damn great, and the fight itself is intense as well, since if you checked Raphael's stats beforehand any time, well, he's got 666 HP.
Leaving Raphael alive in any playthrough is just begging for bad shit to happen in the epilogue.
The only good demon is a dead one -Doom guy
he still appears at the end even if u kill him
You did not really kill him, I'm afraid. I defeated him in the house of hope, romanced Gale, had him ascend and when we went to leave the after show party Raphael turned up and demanded the crown. Gale had some thoughts about that and just poofed him away.
@@TessiSue i never made a deal with him and now I consider myself a genius for it. I just robbed him.
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons I did the deal in my durge run, and stole the paperwork from him afterwards. Not like he cared! Lol
Withers: "What awaits thee is a mystery even to me"
Raphael: "It's not a mystery to me lmao"
HAHAHA
best comment ever
Withers (translated): "Are you like... dumb? What made you think that was a good idea? Anyway, you fucked around, you found out. Not sure what happens now, death can be a complex thing. Good luck, space cowboy!"
Jergal if he used actual words instead of… whatever his speech is.
@@endarus6053shakesperan grandpa tongue
So in this ending Gale basically becomes a god of Stupidity. Well done.
Actually he was SUPPOSED to be the new god of "ambition"
Best comment i ever seen
Wasn't he always?
@@jojothegurilla supposed by who?
@@kirsvald9513He becomes the God of ambition in the game... That's if he doesn't challenge mystra
He should have long rested + drank a potion of speed before the fight smh
That always does the trick
@@lucemthomasGood ol Long Rest into SPD potion into Haste into action surge.
Withers' idea of hiding the fact that he's Jergal is definitely... "Subtle"
I thought he is Kelemvor or whatever that name is spelt.
@@Re3Ns He works under Kelemvor. Kelemvor is the one Withers is referring to when he says something like "And here you are as predicted. He is always right." But Withers is entombed in a temple to Jergal right behind his statue, and Jergal is the scribe of life and death or some such, and he's always talking about striking life and death from his book. The reason he tells the Dead Three to "begone" at the end and insults each of them is because Jergal was a god, who let those three split his power and become gods themselves, for an unclear reason, and then became what he is now. Based on everything in the game, that reason may have been so that he can intervene in mortal affairs where a god like Kelemvor cannot, and help mortals stop beings like them. Kelemvor, who once got in trouble for favoring good souls over evil, also clearly set him on the path, so it's also a way for him to still help via Jergal, much like Mystra does using Elminster.
I was curious about him after playing the game every which way and went down a rabbit hole of lore :D
@@Re3Ns He's HEAVILY suggested to be Jergal, Ex-God of Death and now Scribe of the Dead. There's a book in the game that says how Jergal met an adventurer and the first thing he asked was "What was the weight of one mortal life?" which is what Withers says. He calls himself a scribe. And in the epilogue, he makes fun the now Gods of Death because he has no respect for them, and views then like children compared to him.
And outside the game, his concept art repeatedly calls him Jergal
The very ending cutscene is Withers talking to the dead three and he says something like “even with the powers you were gifted you weren’t able to see what was written” meaning Withers knew we wouldn’t die because he can see All the names of those living and in death, our names never cross into death, we’re always living. Meaning we were destined to win
@@keatonanderson5256He also says something like “you thought I wouldn’t notice”, like they were kids doing something wrong behind dad’s back. 😂
Well, at least he'll be able to listen to that banger of Raphael theme for all eternity
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Gale, a god for 5 seconds with zero followers: I'ma take on a goddess who told Shar to sit the fuck down after the fall of risen Netheril and made her do it (and within Mystra's domain by the looks of it)
Yeah, choosing his own different domain is the better option, if he really is intent on being a god.
A goddess who is one of the most powerful ones at that because she can stop even other gods from using magic if she wishes to.
I think she would humour this crap more, if people didn't immediately get froggy and try to jump her the moment they got juiced. She obviously doesn't care THAT much, because Balthazar was using shadow weave, and Mystra evidently doesn't care as much as Gale said she does. I get the whole "divine intervention" bit, but I would imagine that a deity putting a stop to somebody fucking around or profaning their "domain" wouldn't count as randomly intervening.
@@Noxissatbf the Karsus situation the first time ended up killing Mystryl making her have to reincarnate as Mystra. so its not like there isnt a reason to believe he doesnt have a chance.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeperits a messy situation. the shadow weave is Shar's meaning if Mystra becomes directly involved so will Shar and regardless of who is more powerful two goddesses fighting isnt good for anyone. also doesnt help the other greater deities have already disciplined both Mystra and Kelemvor for favoring good mortals over evil ones.
Tav: Who's stronger, Mystra, or you?
Gale: If she were to use 100% of her power, she might give me a little trouble.
Tav: But would you lose?
Gale: Nah, I'd win.
after reading this comment i need more than anything to see a redraw of that panel with gale as gojo
@@urufu-erikusondefault Durge as Yuji
Ahhh so THIS is how I romance Raphael. Gotcha.
LOL
Withers: are you fucking stupid
Raphael: yes, but he’s my stupid now.
Such a sinister ending... I just love Raphael's Final Act instrumental in the background, it works so well. Oh, and Andrew just kills with his line delivery, of course.
who tf is andrew
@@GBEWgw2 Andrew Wincott, Raphael's VA.
@@talvituhkat5099 who the fuck cares about a voice actor lmao
@@GBEWgw2 A lot of people ? Neil Newbon has been well acclaimed for his performance as Astarion, for instance. It's like saying you don't care about the actor or actress who played a beloved character in a movie or series. Plus Wincott also did mo-cap for Raphael, so he's not only a voice actor here. And he won a BAFTA for it. Hardly "no one cares".
@@talvituhkat5099 crunge and gay
This is the worst ending for Gale. Even worse than his death😢
horrifying ending. the way raphael just rocked up after the message that even death has its merits was just like 'omg' and he read gale way too hard
Does that make this LITERALLY THE ONLY ending in which Raphael actually claims your soul if you abandon his pact?
It seems to be!
not sure how rare this is now, but i've gotten a variant of this ending accidentally. i had a weird bug occur in which the game thought i had promised the crown to raphael. my companions even commented on how foolish i was for it, but i hadn't even told raphael i'd give it to him! gale ended up giving the crown to mystra which, of course, PISSED raphael off. i got roughly the same speech, except it was more raphael telling me my consequences are that i get to find out bc i fucked around lol
My game sorta bugged too when I did a durge run, I killed Raphael in the House of Hope but he still showed up after withers in my post credits scene lol
@@Ahill060606 I don't think this is necessarily a bug, guy's just so pissed off he throws bars at you even after death
Even if gale didnt make a deal challenging the goddess of magic isnt the smartest idea
Ya, I like Gale, but he is no Karsus, and Karsus failed to take on Mystra as well.
@@BeCurieUs Karsus from what I understand was the goat of wizards like he couldve become a god but he chose the wrong god and thing is gale would likely be a lesser god greater gods are league's above them so if gale wanted to usurp her he would need lots of worshippers temples praise from nations and realms to reach higher levels of power then he couldve taken her on but not before shes much older and is used to her powers
Karsus believed that with the power of a deity at his disposal, he could destroy the phaerimm and unite his people. He cast his spell and Karsus gained powers over all magic. Unfortunately, his choice was a terrible mistake, for one of the responsibilities of the deity of magic was to regulate the flow of magic to and from all beings, spells, and magic items in the world and he was lacking the ability to do so properly, @@joshuamourning6650
@@BeCurieUs he didn’t take on mystra in the same way, gale tried to actually *fight* her while Karsus used a spell to basically become her. And Karsus actually succeeded but the error was in his success, he took Mystrls godhood and instantly realized it was a mistake because of the newly gained omnipotence, what he had done was going to unravel existence so Mystrl killed herself to save the world, eventually bringing about the new goddess of magic mystra who then made the use of high level spells practically impossible
She’s worse than Mystryl and a tyrant imo
@@leek58 That is basically what I meant, though. Karsus was out there inventing 12th level spells, what's our man Gale really doing besides being a boy toy of a God. Powerful wizard, sure, powerful friends and lovers, aboslutely. Probing the magics at the highest levels possible, rivaling the power of gods....ehhh, not so much. Or at least, not in the game we playthrough. Clearly there is some back history of Gale we don't know of exactly.
Obviously, Gale also exists in a time where 12th level spells are impossible (in theory), but still, it doesn't feel like he has the same pedigree, yet. And while you are right that they were trying to obtain godhood in different ways (direact assult vs powerfull spells), Gale feels lesser. Perhaps, though, that is only because magic is now lesser than before the fall. So being king among wizards now just means less after Mystryl's death.
Strange how there’s this… and also the one where gale just becomes a god with you and tells Raphael to shove it
Well only an idiot would fight mystra, even as a god
Gale saying "Alright, the Crown is there. Go fetch." to Raphael was so satisfying. Especially when he turns around to you and goes "Yeah that's gonna be a problem. But it's my problem, so see ya."
Yea even as a minor god you're easily strong enough to tell Raph to fuck off for a while, but taking on Mystra? The goddess of fucking magic itself? That's just asking to be smited.
See, the difference was a minor God flaunting against a devil compared to a fledgling/minor god trying to take on the Major God of Magic. Granted, if Gale waited 5 minutes, Mystara would probably have died again for the umpteenth time but the point stands
Here Gale tries to take over Mystra's domain itself, which she fights him over. Meanwhile, in the one where he survives, he takes a smarter approach of taking up a separate domain and thus is just occupying another space rather than challenging her existence.
Just a random thing I noticed with Withers in this scene: He moves with exactly the same mannerisms as Gale does when he's speaking to Tav, using the same hand movements and head positionings and little head jerks to emphasize words.
It is literally exactly identical. Almost mocking, or like Whithers doesn't know how to portray himself so he just pretends to act like the person he's talking to.
Interesting! I wonder if it’s indicative of anything deeper 🤔
Confirmed withers is autistic and is mirroring to avoid weirdness
No guys, it's probably that Larian just recycled the movements of Gale on the Wither instead of making a new one 😂
Or, you know… old high level wizards just act like that?
given he has almost the same speech if you k y s as durge at the end i think its just recycled animations, but there aint nothin wrong with that, esp since i didnt even notice until you pointed it out
Raphaels final words too gale in this ending are haunting ngl withers made me feel like their was peace for him then raphael was like nah youre mine now fool
Who in their right mind leaves Raphael alive anyway.....
Even on a DURGE run I'd end that guy 🤣🤣
people who miss where he is, I know I missed where he was in my own playthrough
he still appears even if you kill him
@@pplrgross he didn't for me
@@kyltredragmire4939 well idk maybe it was some bug but i definitely killed him and he was all mad at me for breaking the pact anyway at the end, i thought that maybe despite killing him he somehow comes back
people playing an Honor mode run and don't want to risk arguably the most dangerous fight in the game.
A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON
LOL
One ending I will never get. I like Raphael’s treasures too much.
It's ironic that Gale should know the folly of challenging Mystra. No matter what power you think you wield. But I suppose having godlike power blinded him.
well considering the fact that the last mortal to challenge a version of the goddess of magic was erased from existence and his folly literally a parable he should have known better
Holy fucking shit, ending with what remains of your soul, after being a damn God nonetheless, in the house of hope is such a terrible fucking ending, in an AMAZING way, that... wow and damn....
How exactly does Raphael plan on taking what remains of gales soul to the house oh hope, we already see Gale in the fugue plane & withers has made it clear that it isn’t the end for his friend, There’s little to no chance withers would allow Gales soul to be whisked away to the hells; even if you signed a contract with him its pretty much null and empty anyways, as his advocate in the city of judgement again I highly doubt that Withers would allow the saviour of the Realms to be confined to an eternity of torement; its just raphael throwing a fit that he didn’t get his way and trying to sour your victory by twisting the ending with his words.
@korgclips868 if you get the bad ending, the one with Raphael going after gale soul, you are probably in debt with Raphy-boy and devils have the cosmic right, I don't make the rules, to claim your soul.
If you get the good ending you kinda kill or put Raphy-boy on hold for a while so... kinda hard for him to go after any soul lol
@@joaovitorreisdasilva9573Yeah I suppose so, thats why i make sure in my playthroughs to not even sign a contract, just break into his house and take the hammer without giving him the means to take your soul; Even if you steal back the contract like you said it’s more of a postponement.
Don’t play rigged games with devils & Ascend alongside Gale as a God to rub it in his face is what I did, all his ending scenes of him explaining how things can go terrible should be taken with a grain of salt; Man is just pissed off that a bunch of Mortals defied Fate alongside him & now after waiting centuries for the crown its once again beyond his grasp.
He’ll do and say anything to try and sour the victory while bolstering his ego & implanting the idea of his return. Regardless even if the cambion got a hold of the crown it would no doubt end similarly to gale trying to usurp Mystra in his origin,
Asmodeus is beyond a mere archdevil & possesses a divine spark (which he tricked a god into giving)
Hells; the crown was originally in a vault in the Hells before it was stolen by the dead three’s chosen.
If the crown was so powerful to potentially overthrow Asmodeus then the Arch-devil in possession would’ve utilized its power.
alas it was relegated to a Vault, its just hilarious that a Half Devil believes he has a chance at conquering the hells (Asmodeus is but a rumour even in the hells and most devils don’t know his true power, to Raphael’s disadvantage;
Even in the one situation where he “Wins” he still loses
Pride comes before the fall.
And in this case, the claws come after that
And then mystra died for the 13th time in faerun lore
BG3: You can't reach level 20.
Also BG3: Here's an option to try and kill a god.
Hold on, wait a minute, somethin' ain't right.
So I’m actually dnd if your level 20 you can beat a god? Or is that the level of gods
@@ghostlyswat12 It would be well beyond what any mortal can normally accomplish. You might or might not be at the level of gods, depending on equipment and other things you've earned through your journeys. Fully up to the DM's discretion. There are old D&D sessions still ongoing from over 30 years ago that had the necessity of raising the level cap to 30, going even further than just battling gods, but going into other dimensions and realities.
In actual d&d, there isn't a Level for NPCs, at least not really.
The closest thing there is to a level, is the Challange Rating, which is an often bad but most of the time at least helpful estimate, on when your average party of 4 to 5 players should encounter something.
So for example, a Goblin with a Challange Rating of 1/4 would be a very easy fight for 4 to 5 players of Level one. So adding more together, would be the right choice, if you want a hard fight.
The challange rating goes up to 30, while character levels stop at 20. Just like regularly, without certain magic items or the correct class, your abilities cap at 20, while some enemkes go up to 30 in that point as well.
For the challange rating that means, that a group of 4 to 5 level 20 players, would have to face the equivalent of fighting a level 20 enemy at level 10. Since gods would be at a Challange Rating of 30, if they had official stats in 5e.
What this means is, that Gale in this clip, clearly overestimates gis own power. At level 12, you are powerful, really powerful, but thats a level you can still easily die at.
Level 7 spells is the reason why Larian capped it at Level 12, they are broken and sometimes reality warping. A level 20 wizard can cause meteors to fall down from the sky, cause tidal waves thst sink ships, can suggest a certain course of action to a huge amount of people and they'd be forced to follow it if they fail one save. That same wizard can permanently cast useful spells at will and has mastered their craft. You think desintegration is sick? The power word spells are! You can literally stop time and then throw out combos at your enemy, that will take them out of combat pretty quickly. Gale, at level 12, is the god of idiots, not the god of ambition. If he thinks he can beat Mystra, who herself was a high level adventurer who became a god.
The point of D&D isn't to kill gods though, honestly, thats mlre of a bad guy thing and most campaigns aren't an evil BG3 playthrough. Killing a god in D&D is a rare thing that most of time isn't permanent. The dead three for example have died and risen many times. That doesn't mean though, that it is impossible. Just like a party of level 10 characters could potentially survive a CR 20 encounter if they are well prepared and are truly cunning, a Level 20 party coukd take down a god. The powers characters at that level have are crazy and to anyone but a god, they'd be akin to one.
It is like using a a cheat to gold mode (the crown) and getting a permaban from Mystra.
@@ghostlyswat12hmm, I'd say that at level 20, you meet the bare minimum requirements to tussle with a god.
If the party does well and manages to win, they may ascend to godhood or some such.
But fighting, say, tiamat the mother of dragons, even for a lvl 20 party is a ROUGH fight.
Mostly depends on the DM's hostility/willingness to fully use her kit and action economy each turn.
Legendary items etc are usually still required to win over deities and gods.
I really must do a playthrough where I accept Raph's offer for these cool endings, it's just rescuing Hope always plays on my mind when I play, accepting his offer means she stays inprisoned and tormented by him
what no? you can go to his house and free her.
@@ElectricalExistence if you go to his house, then you have to kill him before you can leave. if you want his offer to stand for the epilogue, he must still be alive.
@@spencerlively3049 Perhaps knocking him out is an option? I'm not nearly far enough in my current playthrough to check.
@@SunlessSageYou can't knock out Raphael.
Very interesting how much of the important ending content is shown only if you play as an origin character. The sheer amount of content in this game never ceases to amaze me.
Holy fuck, good old ralph gonna tormment gale in house of hope 😢
Gale indeed messed around and found out 😂
This Gale chose poorly.
I'm sorry, but "Ralph" made me lose it 💀💀💀
sounds like a good ending, I despise his greedy, conniving personage.
Must be a close ally to address him in such a condescendant manner @@aaayyygender
“Was thy life a fair price to pay for thine ambition?” Isn’t it always?
I don’t know what’s stupider… challenging a more powerful and more experienced god, or making a deal with a devil then reneging the deal without killing the devil.
No alignment here another than stupid. Maybe chaotic-stupid
LOL
Gale's soul now being Raphael's at the end is fucked in so many ways.
To be fair, Mystra is not THAT difficult to kill, but he needed to wait at least until he was level 25 to do it, not level 12. Plenty of people killed Mystra's incarnations before.
Plenty is two. Both mightiest of gods
And Karsus but in there she aint sorta died, she killed erself to fix shit he done
Bloody Gale, always getting himself into silly situations
Ohh, that was juicy footage!! Thank you!!
Thank you for watching!! 🫶🏻
@@darkurgediaries Always! ☕🤎
Wow! Raphael is such a nice guy, he lets Gale stay in his house after Gale failed and died.
It's canon that Mystra is a horrible person. She didn't exactly endure the Time of Troubles gracefully.
Ah yes, challenging the goddess of all magic, such a wise decision
Damn, Gale done fucked up this time, didn't he?
I’m sorry, whenever I hear Mystra’s voice all I can hear is: “A NEW HAND HAS TOUCHED THE BEACON!”
Now I will never unhear it xD
This one major artifact will definitely allow me to defeat every single archdevil from Zariel to Asmodeus. Muhahaha.
This feels as the best ending for a origin Gale, a man consumed by ambition. The Orb, The Crown, the Weave. In the ending he doesn't even have his soul. Absolute masterpiece !
Mystra does indeed looks beautiful. In a "peaked in highschool" kind of beauty
And considering we see how Raphael's 'guests' are treated - oof, poor Gale.
Raph just despawns lol
This voice… got the chills from finding Meridia’s beacon … again
God gayle is kinda cool, he is better when he just becomes a normal man teaching magic in a school!
I KNEW IT! Soon as I got Gale back in Beta and his infatuation with Mystra plus needing to eat magic items I said he was Karsus 2.0 Ha ha ha ha...4 years and vindication. Called it! I gotta figure out how to get this now. I love this game so much, Larian just keeps on giving
He can actually stay a god and mystra allows it if he chooses the option to be the god of ambition and not challenge her! So many endings to this game it’s unreal
@@darkurgediaries Gods bless this game and it's writers, and Larian. Still can't believe other studios tried to hate on it...instead of just making better games.
@@darkurgediaries"Mystra allows it." as if she had any choice. Who rises to godhood and who doesn't isn't her choice. And the other wizards only critizise him for it because they wish they could have done the same.
00:50 when it starts to load in and you think its a fighting game style minigame.
Raphael you evil bastard, what a great bad end.
Im stilll annoyed that Kelemvor seems to be ignored as Wither's (aka Jergal's) boss
Raphael taking about Gale's hubris when he's doing the same thing if he have the crown lmao, dude really think he'll take the Hells, which is arguably even dumber than Gale trying to 1v1 a Goddess
So basically Gale fucked around and found out.
Facts
Withers calling you his friend almost makes this end worth it...
Is this the only ending as Origin Gale and choosing godhood? This should always have been the last scene for Gale if he tried to become a god lol
He gets to stay a god if you choose the option to be the god of ambition and not challenge mystra!
how do you choose that? I don't remember anything like that@@darkurgediaries
@@DannyPotato it’s at the beginning of this video!
Talk about being blinded by ambition. Who takes on a fully powered god, after being a god for 2 minutes.
Does this happen if you dont kill Raphael? Or are they saying Raphael survived and has already taken back over and imprisoned/killed Hope?
It happens if you don’t kill him
If you kill him he gets sent to his daddy. Not even kidding@@darkurgediaries
@@obsidiansnow3790 i thought if a devil/cambion is killed in the hells they die for real, no?
@@darkurgediaries If they are killed in their home plane they die for real, we killed Raph in Avernus, considering he is Mephistopheles' son I imagine he respawned in Cania and then we see his final end
@@hersh1767 i never thought of that! I thought it was just the hells in general. Interesting!
It's much better to let Mystra be and have Gale sit in Celestia right next to her. It's literally the best "Hey, hey Mystra! Go fuck yourself." you could do.
It really was ambitious to take on a goddess that is quite possibly one of the strongest there is as a new god. I mean sure it didn't exactly work out because ambition without the power to back it doesn't really get you far. And Galel found that out the hard way
You've never heard of the term "Failing upwards"?
worst ending possible
How exactly does Raphael plan on taking what remains of gales soul to the house oh hope, we already see Gale in the fugue plane & withers has made it clear that it isn’t the end for his friend, There’s little to no chance withers would allow Gales soul to be whisked away to the hells; even if you signed a contract with him its pretty much null and empty anyways, as his advocate in the city of judgement again I highly doubt that Withers would allow the saviour of the Realms to be confined to an eternity of torement; its just raphael throwing a fit that he didn’t get his way and trying to sour your victory by twisting the ending with his words.
Even then, wouldn’t the other members of the party come and save him?
I mean, Mystra has died before, no? Worth a shot.
Gale's best ending IMO 😂
Omg he took his soul💀
Midnight is quite uppity since becoming Mystra
Well, I guess we know what "new role to play" Gale has now that Raph'y snatched him up.
Battery.
Gale really thought he could start Spell Plague II. smh
Oh poor gale he thought he can take Mystra’s place so she destroyed the orb and killed him
Honestly, Withers, best character.
Okay, so... not challenge a goddess to claim her power, got it.
the mark of tzeentch
Raphael will torture the shit outta him.
Mystras mouth when talking is so weird
My guess: 6 months later, they'll drop another patch where you actually get to fight Mystra instead of it being a scripted auto-lose, make Gale the God of Whatever She Was, and show him wrecking the world because he really doesn't know what gods are supposed to do, or what he's doing as one.
She put his foolish ambitions to rest
PLEASE let Raphael be the bad guy in the next game, Larian
I think canonically the party defeats him and Asmodeous eats him in hell
Raphael was the bad guy in this game, and you get to defeat him if you so choose
As if he is a GOOD guy in this one...
did that not gonna lie, was a fight to remember@@JimPekarek
@@Maegnas99 how do you know which actions are going to be considered canon?
I approve of Raphael, Auntie Ethal, Roah Moonglow and others surviving. A sort of Batman's Rogues Gallery of villains
BATTLE OF THE GODS!
Dang... Mystra is OP
so mystra kicked gale into silent hill
Mystra is gorgeous!!
you literally cannot even hold a candle to that goddess's flame, her's will consume your's in less than the most micro of seconds. Ever wonder why she has so many chosen? Its to purposely weaken herself, half of her power is divided among her chosen mortals, and even with only half her power she can easily eliminate anyone who threatens her domain over magic.
I’ve seen a few people say she has been defeated in the past, in very curious about how that was possible 🤔
Thank you so much! I'm 500 hours in and still never finished half of act 2... I'm not sorry though 😂
There is so much to do and see in this game I don’t blame you one bit!
I've done everything in two hundred hours, what on earth were you doing with the other 300 hours?
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket youd be surprised how much you missed and how many alternative scenes there are. And I enjoy it! Also making content for youtube 😊
500 hours and not even finishing half of act 2 is impossible. You are either lying or constantly starting over.
ya that's cap i have a platinum and my total playtime is 146 hrs. Maybe you left the game on and forgot about it
Mystra forbids nothing.
How do you avoid this ending, on a dark urge play through romancing Gale and i pretty much made this play through to have us ascend as gods in epilogue so in my head cannon Durge can act as the antithesis To Bhaal & a Goddess Of Rebirth and Emancipation; A Gatekeeper of Chaos
i think if you push gale to goodhood when he's companion he'll choose to be god of ambition instead of challenging mystra
@sad.platypus this can happen if he's a companion, so far only way I know to get this in either way is to hunt the crown down rather than use it to ascend right there and then.
@@phugindomasWhat do you mean by that exactly?
Just choose to be the god of ambition i stead of challenge mystra when given the option, this is strictly the gale origin ending. I think when he is a companion and he meets mystra at the tabernacle, what you say to him has some effect as well.
@@darkurgediariesI have seen Gale getting killed as companion, so I guess you can encourage him to challenge Mystra.
There could have been way more potential here, after all this is what the second no third Mystra we've had, why not a fourth
Yeah but there was zero chance that Gale could have actually pulled it off even with the Crown. Mystra was way too experienced fighting way tougher deities than him. She also has millions of devoted followers whereas he has none. This is also taking place in the Weave itself which is literally where Mystra is strongest. Poor guy let hubris get the better of him. Karsus originally stole Mystra's power with his spell but in this case she's at 100% still which means nobody short of a Greater God could even hold their ground let alone a newbie like Gale.
@@kylepessell1350bah she’s written to be nearly indestructible but that doesn’t excuse her for being a very boring deity. Also midnight is a terrible origin story and I wish people would stop hopping on her lore. Mystra isn’t even that powerful in bg3, shar can protect her own in the shadow cursed lands and mystra can do nothing about the shadow weave other than cleanse it with clerics.
So the hint gale should’ve take was him challenging her at 12 level
I was hoping for an actual straight up fight between them as another final battle. I wanna be able to win because she sucks!
I can think of no worse ending that F'ing over Raphael and not in the good way.
Gales entire problem was taking on Mystra immidietly instead of familiarise himself with his new powers and planning his next steps. Not very 20+ INT of him
Why does she look like Reyna from Valorant sm
Gale you’re level 12, even level 20 wizards can’t pull that off
Challenge a goddess and lose
Now Satan mad and wants to torture your soul for clues on how to get that crown back
Fuck Mystra I’m backing God Gale he doesn’t die in my game he’ll win his fight plan it out expand his followers and give more mortals a chance to achieve their ambitions
Was this Gale's Origin playthrough?
Yes that’s right!
do you only get these special scenes if you beat the game as the origin character?
Yes 👍🏻
What OST was used? I hope to use it for inspiration.
“Wash My Dreams Away” 🤍 ua-cam.com/video/moHm06eW5yc/v-deo.htmlsi=HrsufYauweDwcXKj
@@darkurgediaries I appreciate your help. Thank you very much.
Oh I'd love to know what song is that? Does anyone know?
I think it’s part of the unreleased soundtrack, some of those tracks are on youtube I know 🤔
it's raphael's OST in BG3
@@Sutokid the very end song yeah
You get the full version of that song that plays right at the end of the video if you refuse to accept Raphael's deal with the Crown for the Hammer, and still want to get the hammer yourself. Read on if you want full spoilers though!
You can break into the House of Hope in an attempt to steal the Hammer from him, and on the way out with it you are thrown into a bossfight with Raphael himself - and that song plays in the background the whole while. It's really damn great, and the fight itself is intense as well, since if you checked Raphael's stats beforehand any time, well, he's got 666 HP.
@@JonLiz6351also if you cast Silence on Raphael during that fight, it cuts his lines out of the song, which is a really neat detail
The only good thing about Raphael having. Gales soul for all eternity is that it should give hope a fucking break.
RAPHAEL MY LORD BOTTOM !