There is going to be a GE soon so they will cover that, I’m surprised they don’t cover any other European elections. I guess they can’t be arsed looking up other countries political systems. Italy’s seems extremely insane and chaotic and Germany’s is predictably over bureaucratic and federalist. Both pretty weird and interesting.
@@mrmagoo-i2l In Italy it feels like the government is falling apart half the time. The other half it just feels like a mediocre government, which it is.
Social Justice Warrior Maybe, it would be a bit niche. But they have done other videos, legalise cannabis etc... it doesn’t get as many views. I think it’s something they’re going to have to get used to. I was answering what are they going to do instead of Brexit though, so covering Brexit won’t be an option.
A vast, totally new, integrated computerized custom system spanning two countries with currently hypothetical hardware and totally new systems sounds like something the UK government should have no trouble getting done quickly and cheaply without any major glitches or vulnerabilities :p
There are houses with the bathroom in Northern Ireland and the kitchen in the ROI. So every time the owner wants to change the toilet paper he has to put it in a sealed container to transport it from one part of the house to another? And before doing so, the container should be checked and scanned at departure as well as arrival?
@@czarzenana5125 I know there's houses on the US-Canada and Netherlands-Belgium boarders. On the Netherlands-Belgium boarder the homes are considered to be in the country that their front door is in for legal purposes. On the US-Canada boarder it is whoever owns the roads that connects to the home's driveway. I imagine this would work in a similar manner.
"In the latest development, after his previous proposal was rejected, Boris Johnson has now proposed a series of 20 smaller, more specialised borders distributed across the breadth of Northern Ireland. He has stated that this will 'spread out the anti-border sentiment across a wider area, thus making it more acceptable to everyone.' "Continuing, he stated: 'Imagine taking a 10ft high wall and tipping it over sideways, so it's only one brick high at any given point. That way, the essential borderness we require exists, but it can be more easily stepped over.' Predictably, this has been roundly denounced by everyone both within and without his party. "When we reached out to EU leaders for comment, all we heard was a rhythmic thumping sound as though someone was repeatedly banging their head against a wall, followed by various curses in French and Polish."
Yeah, not like there was any "troubles" regarding that before. In all seriousness, a no deal brexit would mean 100% northern Ireland uniting with proper Ireland and joining the EU. If that happens then there is a good 80% shot that Scotland will also attempt a crash out because they would be way better selling their goods to the EU for their own profit. And if Scotland leaves, then it is guaranteed England will enter a state of freefall market crash
Perhaps Northern Ireland will split in half, with Southern Northern Ireland joining Republic of Ireland, and Northern Northern Ireland remaining in the UK!
The woman leader of The DUP ( I forget her name) liked the idea..... surprisingly! Still don't think the EU will buy it though. It is kinda clever to come up with any kind of different solution though in such a short time. It took everyone else 3 years lol. I would love to know who thought this up, even though I don't think it will happen! I could be wrong. I often am. We will see :)
Another reason why the DUP is mouthing along to the script is damage control: Since BoJo has lost his wafer thin majority, even with the DUP’s MPs, the latter has effectively lost their leverage over the Tories, meaning that BoJo is free to not give a flying flamingo about the DUP’s constant carping, demands and outright blackmail (such as May’s billion pounds in slightly prettified bribery to secure DUP support). Having tried to wring out as many economic and political favours from London until now, the DUP knows that the halcyon days are over and it now tries to ingratiate itself by switching from grasping opportunism to apparently stalwart loyalism, hoping that they may get some concessions in the future, or at least not be left by the wayside.
@silverfoxeater you are entirely right. Arlene Foster has been on TV hysterically screaming about Leo Varadkar's very measured response in Sweden today where he said it could provide the basis for further talks but fell short in several areas. The Tories and the DUP are singing from the same blame game hymnsheet! This deal is a totally bad one for NI with 2 borders instead of none. The DUP rejected a much better Teresa May deal which gave NI the best of both worlds because it put a border in the Irish sea...so does this one.
So the plan is to make N-Ireland a semi independent country. They have to follow the rules of the EU without an vote. But can vote on UK law that doesn't apply to them.
To be fair, it's the Irish that are quarrelling for a solution along these lines with the Good Friday agreement. They don't want a hard border with an EU state so the EU will overreach into their sovereignty, which threatens that of the rest of the UK.
@@Bushflare The EU is not a state. It's the Irish border. And NI will still fall under UK laws for the most part just like UK now. Only some regulations have to be obeyed, which are common in all 27 EU members. It's actually what UK has now, would than be only applied to NI.
Why not go all the way and make Northern Ireland (or Ulster) an independent country in its own right? It's not a new idea, Ulster nationalism had a lot of popularity in the 1970s.
@@GuruEvi Nope, it's unacceptable to UK as it mean losing sovereignty of North Ireland. It's a lose-lose situation for UK as they will lose NI along with free trade agreement
It's insane; after years of insisting there can't be a border, he wants to impose the most extensive border ever. It's entirely a time wasting effort and blame game, with party members already having been briefed on what to call the EU *when* they reject it.
@@rvanzo925 there is no "manning up" issue. It's a stupid idea to have an election literally at the time that detraction from Brexit could lead to a no deal via falling through the cracks. It's a terrible idea to have a general election at a moment of national constitutional crisis. Especially having only had one 2 years ago and especially as it would almost certainly result in a hung parliament. That Johnson is electioneering rather than in serious negotiations tells us a lot about his priorities.
I'm not a Boris Johnson supporter, intact I don't really give a shit about British politics because I'm Irish but I've been keeping up to date with brexit and from what I've been able to take away from boris's proposal that it was set up to fail so Boris can crash out because he has a plan which he has repeatedly said, the UKs trade with the US is going to triple once they leave and other countries are setting up trade agreements, he has markets in which he is heavily investing in (to do with modern technology). people believe everything they're told, research it properly before speaking on the subject
EU: We need the UK to enter into a plan that the UK has no ability to unilaterally withdraw from thus keeping the UK paying into EU coffers but with no say on EU policy reliant on the EU for permission that they would have no incentive to grant. UK: Lets make brexit as smooth as possible but understand that we reserve the right to withdraw with no further arrangements if we think continued efforts to make a smooth exit are going nowhere.
@@Aspartame69 Its the British Government who wanted the UK wide backstop, the EU and Ireland were happy with just NI as that would maintain the intentions of the Good Friday agreement.
Saying EU and Ireland is saying the wrong thing. Ireland is one of the 27... it IS the EU, as is every other country belonging to it. Edit: And no, this plan won't work either.
@Flaming1100 Your glib statement is very simplistic and unhelpful. There *already is* a border between ROI/NI It copes with . Currency . VAT . Taxation; wages; jobs; travel . Livestock health checks And the proposal avoids putting infrastructure along or even near the border, and does not hinder movement. It merely tracks goods which can be checked on departure, tracked in transit and confirmed on arrival. I wrote barcode / consignment tracking applications in 1990. This is not a situation that we have not dealt with before. The consignment tracking software I wrote was intended to cope with "five finger discounts" and "fell off the back of the truck" incidents. But the goal is the same. To ensure that what arrives is the same as what departs and has all the burocratic paraphernalia dealt with. Life is full of such issues, the world over. RFID, GPS tracking, ANPR, QR codes and ubiquitous Internet access make this a doddle to be honest. You seem to be seeking a bugger in every bush. I invite you enter the 21st century.
Everybody: Having a border on either side of Northern Ireland would be bad. Boris: I have a compromise... let's have borders on both sides! Everybody: ...
@Joker Brexit wasn't the fault of the politicians. Brexit occurred because the people wanted it. The remainers call the Brexiteers liars, the Brexiteers call the remainers liars. Politicians on both side of the divide are just being opportunistic. This whole situation was unavoidable. The EU has worn out what good will it had with the British people and sooner or later we were going to be put into this situation. It's no good finger-pointing, because you don't have enough fingers.
Tommy Crush Ever been? Not that many people care, their is a few rows on estates. It’s heated but it would be any way, Has any of these southern twats ever met an Irish person? I doubt it.
@@TheGreatAmarant72 Except the EU is not in a desperate situation like the loves to make it look. They probably don't give a shit if there's no deal. The UK is one of the EU's biggest economic powers, but Germany is even bigger and with the sheer amount of countries involved it will hardly make an impact. Whereas the UK alone without the backing of a massive trade bloc won't be able to get deals anywhere near as good as what the EU has. Johnson's 'threats' are only to make him seem to the British public like he's taking control, but the EU isn't scared at all. The EU would be perfectly fine with no deal. The only reason the deadline has been pushed back so many times is because the UK keeps asking for it. Johnson's threats seem to apply more to the MPs who've already declared themselves against a no-deal Brexit.
What's even more funny: This was the EU's initial proposal (well, aside from this whole "we're doing the checks away from the border, so it's not really a border" mess) and it was the UK, namely May's negotiating team - likely under pressure from the DUP - that argued against this. Just to be sure, I say that again: The UK did NOT want this solution when the EU proposed it. Edit: I should clarify. The EU's proposal was to apply the backstop to NI only. This whole two-borders thing and letting NI choose for themselves was not. So maybe it IS a significant change in ideas... dunno...
It's a bit like his marriage. He is married, but in a way he is not married. He just picks what suits him best in a certain situation. In the cases no border is wanted between Northern Ireland and the republic you can say the border is in the Irish sea and in the cases a border is needed between the two Irelands you can say there is a border between them.
Strictly speaking one board can cause more delay then if you have two to reduce the time and procedures for checks and regulations. I somewhat prefer this deal more then the mays deal.
@@JorgTheElder No-deal means the strict euro finance laws are gone. All the UK then needs to do is to change it's own laws to be more like the Jersey island. You and I will still pay taxes because we can't afford a numbered bank account at Barclays.
Johnson's real Brexit plan: get this deal passed thereby getting passed the Ben Act however after this passes it needs approved by the NI Assembly...... the very NI Assembly that hasnt sat for 3 years. Oh dear we cant pass the deal so No Deal Brexit.
He's not trying to get this proposal passed, he wants it rejected to put blame on the EU and gear up for an election, either during an extension or after a no deal. The proposal is completely laughable because it's designed to be. It gives the DUP a veto on the SPS zone and puts customs posts in Ireland with only a "promise" that they won't have them close to the border. But once it's rejected by the EU he can say "Well I proposed something and they rejected it, therefore blame them" and use that in his election campaign if either an extension or a no deal happens.
@@mranimazing2190 if that is really what he's trying to do he is even more stupid than he's perceived by most of the people, both in Europe and the UK. A deal is always between two (or more) parts, not a one-sided proposal. A deal has to be *negotiated*, which is what May did, and if he thinks he can force the EU to do anything, he can think again. I'm sorry for you UK people who have to suffer this, just because the uneducated and the bitter old people decided they didn't want to play anymore. Whatever deal the UK is getting, it will be worse than being a full-blown member. If you think we Norwegians have a good deal, you're illusional, we have no influence in Brussels at all, and what the EU imposes on us, we mostly have to just swallow. Also, Norway is part of the Schengen agreement, which the UK is not, and has never been, so all the people saying "but the immigrants" can shut right up. The immigrant situation will actually get worse after Brexit, not better, no matter how many borders they put around Northern Ireland.
@@walterbunn280 northern Ireland has been without a functioning government for about 3 years by now (apparently it's too much too ask to scrap up a coalition)
2:35 [clearly and concisely explains a difficult topic in children's terms] 3:05 "CLEARLY IF U KNEW WHAT I'M TALKING ABT UR A NERD" *I feel so personally attacked rn* lmao jk
He complimented you in a humorous manner, comparing you to himself, you are a know-it-all news nerd just like he is or you require more detailed explanation like the idiots who voted for the Brexit "pig-in-a-poke" and are getting a peek inside the bag. If you feel attacked, you should avoid room temps where snowflakes melt.
As you highlighted - there’s still going to be a customs border, there’s still a place where goods need to be stopped and scanned. It’s still a border where people need to be stopped and searched for smuggled products, possibly by an authority they don’t recognize as their own. That’s going to cause trouble. It also puts the future of the British border in Ireland up to the Northern Irish assembly. The assembly cannot meet unless the executive is made up of the representatives of the two largest parties (inevitably the DUP and Sinn Féin). If there is an opt in clause of the single market, all the DUP needs to do is resign from the assembly and run down the clock at the end of that 4 year period to ensure they get their hard border. No matter what you do, if there is a timer on this deal instead of an affirmative decision made by the assembly, decisions will be made undemocratically by defaults and timers. That’s why the EU has already rejected proposals for a timed backstop. Again, it’s hard to see how anyone in Johnson’s cabinet thought this idea would be accepted, since it essentially involves re-proposing two ideas already rejected by the commission and only offers in return a 4 year timed alignment with the customs union in return. Despite the reserved (if frosty) tone of Irish ministers, they’re starting to get cynical about Johnson’s claims that he is even trying to reach a compromise.
@@zengara11 No, he did it to claim that it is EU intransigence that is making a deal impossible. Not that anyone with more than 2 functioning brain cells will buy it, but there will be plenty of Britons who will. Johnson _can't_ take the UK out without a deal. He will be voted out and removed from office, if he tried that.
And once again Johnson forgot the people. No EU membership means no freedom of movement and that means checks of people at the border must happen. The EU is not a trade deal only. But Johnson only talks about plans for goods.
In a way I can understand it. I´ve watched the debates in the commons in their entirety (don´t ask why) and there was an intense focus on the Yellowhammer document and its prediction on medicine shortages, followed by concerns about the general industry and their exports, followed by talks about fish and sheep and cheese. I can´t remember much talk about immigration and people crossing the border other than the tories critisising labours plan. I mean, it´s stupid to forget or ignore one of the major concerns with Northern Ireland just because it wasn´t mentioned as much, but so is this entire plan, so no surprises here I guess.
Marc Weßeling the fact that the EU didn’t sign that agreement is exactly why it continues after no-deal brexit. It’s a bi-lateral deal between the British & Irish governments..
So in four years there would basically a vote of whether Northern Ireland would be part of the UK or part of EU and therefore also Ireland, and people think it WON'T bring back the troubles?
@@marcusdoe6552 I love TL;DR News' content, I'm just so, 100% sick of the plugs. Every damn video. I would unsubscribe but the content is genuinely so worth watching that I'm prepared to just skip past the plugs every video.
EU: We don't want a border between NI and ROI. BOJO: Hmm how about two borders? Like with block chain technology? And it'll be so great! Farts will smell like French perfume!
"They'll be great borders, the best borders. I have the smartest people in the world working on them. Smart, so smart people. No one really understood borders till I looked into them. Did you know Northern Ireland is complicated? I didn't, no one did, but it is. But I have the best people, I'll make the most beautiful borders you've ever seen. They'll be so majestic. Build the borders, build the borders!" ~Definitely not Boris Johnson 2019
So, to prevent a hard border, Johnson wants to heavily monitor a far larger part of Ireland/Northern Ireland than just the direct border area. It is bloody insane to expect this to be a solution.
I can see the benefit of having your own trade agreements, but it seems like there’s no way to please everyone, and it also seems like maybe the people may not want Brexit. Why can Brexit not just be cancelled?
Just so you know, it wouldn't be the North "sodding off" it would be British Occupation sodding off. According to the Good Friday agreement, the people of Northern Ireland can vote to leave the UK at any time they please. This was already requested to Theresa May and was declined due to DUP pressure. Which is a breach of the agreement. We will not allow a hard boarder on our Island again
not really, you will still have a border in ireland, which is unacceptable, only some one completely detached form reality would even suggest a border there.
The British side very well understands the no-gos from perspective of the EU, so it's clear this won't go undebated. Yes, to me this sounds a bit like Mr. Johnson shoving NI towards the EU. Since NI won't (easily) join the EU as an independent state, it's more likely to merge with the Republic first. That's...unexpected, but why not? Did the DUP see that coming?
@@SSSGD yes sure, look NI voted remain in the referendum and BJ is only pushing NI away with this proposal. Those loyal to the crown in NI will not accept this lightly, DUP included. Boris is only signalling that the NI is a liability he is more than willing to let go. This after spending months defending the integrity of the union.
in a nutshell Boris made some shit up knowing the EU will reject and can turn to his base and say see I tried. He always wanted a no deal as there is money to be made from that.
I've been told the NI parliament hasn't had a session in years? How would they be able to vote then? (Assuming there's issues that can't just be solved quickly or else they would have a functioning parliament)
So, for two years Northern Ireland has is going to be privileged: they can buy goods from EU tax free via Ireland. (I can imagine various schemes of getting things out of Northern Ireland to UK) I wonder how people in England and Scotland feel about it?
Depends on if the UK parliament actually changes it's regulations to allow it to be competitive, and what trade deals it makes, a lot of EU regulation exists because of French and German companies wanting to minimise competition, so they have laws which benefit one particular nation over others. The UK could actually be cheaper to be in than the EU, IF the right regulations are changed/rescinded. That said I don't have faith in this, since the current state of politics is so adversarial.
I doubt that very much they are more patriotic to be part of Britain than the majority of brits plus cus of the troubles they wont want to join the republic of Ireland either
@@TheSpooner666 That's only one side of the coin. The other part still considers themselves Irish and they're against the UK. This has always been a massive point of contention and if Johnson's plan goes through it could cause massive problems in Northern Ireland. It's hard to tell which side would win, but it's not unlikely for Northern Ireland to leave the UK.
@@cammarc There's a third part: those who would rather just get on with their lives and maintain the peace and prosperity that the peace process and GFA have brought. But of course that would only be about 99.99% of the population…
@@hughpugh6286 Obviously the overwhelming majority don't really care right now, but if Johnson's plan goes through and Northern Ireland has to choose whether to steer closer to the rest of Europe (and therefore also Ireland) or to the UK those tensions could (and probably would) come back. Probably not to the extent they were in the past, but still no good.
Your content is spot on. The simple graphics and concise narrative is excellent and easy to follow I have watched countless hours of Brexit debate on all of the popular news channels in the recent past, but never fully grasped the whole backstop debate...... until now. Thanks and well done
It most certainly would, and independence is not a new idea - Ulster nationalism had quite a bit of popularity in the 1970s - but how would the Republic of Ireland react and would they be willing to accept Ulster into the EU?
@@64ankka As a resident of Ireland, I can attest there's very strong support for having NI in the EU. Direct reunification does not garner as much support, so a transition period, or longer term independence of NI side by side with Ireland, would probably go on for ten years or so.
Here’s a compromise, why doesn’t the EU take all UK students with little worthwhile skills, who can’t speak a second language, have no money and a terrible work ethic. They are so sure the EU wants them, why not let them have them. There’s the compromise, the EU get a large group of remainers, we get to live in peace. Everyone’s happy. There is no compromise, no one will be happy. From now on expect every GE to be very dirty and dragged through the courts. Even the Lib Dem’s and labour seem unable to compromise.
Minodrec No smart arse answer to that have you? Yeah genius, Germany and France are just dying for you to come and wait their tables. Good luck with that, idiot.
Hey this is a great video and you guys at TLDR so some amazing work condensing complicated issues into simple words and graphics. I also tho love that while you all have biases, you try to be as unbiased and unopinionated in your reporting as possible (which is something, as an American, that I find a welcome change of pace). Keep it up guys. I'm not a donor quite yet bc of personal finances but I'm glad I subscribed! I look forward to every new video you make!
Alternative proposal: Borders around every constituency that voted leave. Those that voted remain will stay in the EU, those that voted leave can have Johnsons crash out Brexit. If we gonna burn the UK to the ground, might as well go all out.
Aaron Okeanos Yeah, I’m sure those in power tremble at the thought of an EU inquiry into tax avoidance. Get real, they will know every trick in the book. They wrote it.
The SNP have asked repeatedly whether Scotland would be allowed to vote on independence again in case of a no deal Brexit, but the government shot them down because there was a vote in 2014 already and "voters were told it was a once in a generation thing and they voted to remain", conveniently forgetting that a major reason for that were concerns about Scotlands membership in the EU.
Scotland won't easily join the EU after they left the UK, the same as for Catalonia (local nationalists thrive around a 50:50 situation, held up by a lot of pathos, not so much fact....oh, like Brexit haha). Scotlands income largly depends on the oil price, so the OPEC can severly damage them by flooding the markets (and we know who's friend the Saudis are). Scottish independence would be a risky thing. I'd not like to see them end up like after trying to become a colonial power.
@@Brandanus Oil has been becoming less of an income source for years, with us in a position to really expand renewable energy production and be a power plant of Europe. We'd gain true self determination, and have a vote that matters in an organisation that actually works together with member states. Where exactly, in this day and age, are we going to colonise? This isn't the middle ages.
I never thought I would hear my favorite news tell me I'm too involved in news. Perhaps you are just excellent at explaining things. Plus, how am I supposed to get my us govt news taste out of my mouth if not with a beautiful cup of tea with my distant cousins across the pond? 1 sugar no milk, dash of cinnamon or a stick. Mmmm going to go make tea.
To be fair, I didn't expect any remotely reasonable proposal to come out of this government. Could it be Johnson is not completely hot air? Could there be a bit of substance?
No comments about the content, but some of your audio transitions were really harsh in this one. Appreciate the rate you're kicking these videos out though. Thanks!
@@hansbass8119 I agree, but that is part of the problem, why imagine it like something horrible to do? you can be wrong because you where miss informed but that does not mean that you have to eat your own shit if you change your mind after becoming better informed on the matter.
@@danielhaupt2066 And what is to say anybody is any more informed now than they were when they voted, or that the people who have become more informed are exclusive to the remain camp? Is it not also possible that a lot of remain voters have come to realise the veracity of the positions held by leave voters and have come to regret their decision? This is not a simple matter of right and wrong, it is a matter of two value systems conflicting.
"Congratulations, you spend too much time reading the news." Ouch. It's doubly bad since I'm not even from the UK, so it's news that isn't even relevant to me.
chelseafc529 their support base is very very anxious not to lose their jobs, which are mostly in agribusiness. That’s the reason why they can accept crossing the red line as long as only food is concerned. The rest of NI can have an Irish Sea border for all they care.
I can't thank you guys at TLDR enough. You never say "the Irish boarder" when speaking of the North. It really shows the levels of integrity and respect you have to remaining unbiased and bringing factual content to journalism. It is never an easy to talk about Ireland and it's history as it is still very fresh for us but you handle it unbelievably well. So thank you! Future tip: A huge mistake uk media make is calling our Taoiseach a Prime Minister. We don't have a PM.... it's Taoiseach. Pronounced *Tea shock* just thought this may help in the future
So its just a confusing unrealistic plan which he tries to hammer to the commons so he doesnt have to comply with the benn act thanks to the exact wording and he can run down the clock in peace.
All you need to know is that the DUP _doesn't_ have a problem with a plan that divides NI from the rest of Britain, but are in fact expected to vote in favor of it. Clearly, they don't think that is what the plan is _actually_ for. More likely, it is so Boris can circumvent the Benn act by saying "look, parliament voted for a deal so now we can go out with it" and then just refuse to implement it or get it rejected by the EU (which they would).
Aaaand... no border at the same time. So non-Irish citizens are free to enter the UK without any restriction whatsoever. Aaaand... is everyone in the DUP drunk at the moment? They have been fighting tooth and nail to avoid this scenario...
@@ILikedGooglePlus I know they don't, but at least they should be screaming their displeasure toward something that essentially leaves NI under different rules than the rest of the UK. That has been their red line from the get go, that's why May's deal had to keep the whole UK in the customs union and the reason it was rejected three times. I'm just mildly amused about how flexible is the DUP with their non negotiable principles, that's all.
Most of the EU players, Varadkar, Tusk, Verhofstadt, Junker, Barnier and some of the MEPs, have said, well you strip away the diplomatic politeness and it boils down to `Don`t be so bloody ridiculous`. Given that, discussing Johnson`s proposals is simply a waste of time. Don`t underestimate that the EU is probably sick to death of having to put up with all this nonsense.
And possibly trashing 20 years of healing and make all the peace efforts and victims of the war before the GFA senseless. That's why EU is so strong on the Backstop and a border in the Irish Sea.
Aaron Okeanos They are keen because it’s financially beneficial for the EU to have a backstop. Don’t put them on a pedestal, don’t kid yourself. It’s about power and money.
Nothing, the 2 year transition period has been accepted since the beginning. That’s why everyone screaming about the sky falling down is so bizarre. Just a bunch of students screaming on the internet, plus the world will end in a few years, a demented Swedish girl told them.
@@mrmagoo-i2l They argue the two year transition period has already been done and by the letter of the law they are correct. It's actually been longer. Article 50 was invoked. Not suggested it was being invoked, but was invoked, in full. That started a 24 month transition period... Back in 2017. It's now 2019. The transition period ended according to the treaty back on the 29th march. It has since been extended.
But isn't it true, that not agreeing to a deal by the EU, in the hope of avoiding a border between Ireland and N. Ireland, would result in EXACTLY that, namely: a border between Ireland and N. Ireland! In their attempt of avoiding a no border, they risk creating the very thing they wish to avoid. Under a "no deal" scenario there will be undoubtedly a "hard border".
May [about tariff borders existing between the islands of Ireland and Britain]: This is presumptuous! No british PM would ever agree to this! Johnson: Hold my Guiness!
This is made possible because the support from the DUP no longer holds any weight in Parliament, so the Government can do whatever they want and the DUP have to accept it. Big difference from May's term when her whole majority relies on the DUP.
@@eofalassion To be honest, I never understood why May didn't try to reach a compromise with the opposition on probably the most important national question since WW2. (But, to be fair, Corbyn doesn't seem to be very moderate as well.) I like the fact that the DUP has gotten pretty much irrelevant now. The absurdity of Brexit is quite entertaining, in a way.
@@romano-britishmedli7407 why would she? She had a majority in the Commons, she tried to do it properly going through all proper procedure but she got hamstrung by her own coalition by the ERG led by JRM and Boris. Also her own red lines basically made it impossible to get a proper functioning arrangement. If she agreed to set the regulatory alignment at the Irish Sea she wouldn't have so much of an issue and the backstop would not have been required, it was her own fear of losing the DUP support and majority in Parliament that caused this. She didn't realize her own ppl were backstabbing her until it was too late.
@@eofalassion Well, the way I'm seeing it, she didn't have a majority in the Commons (I'm talking about post-2017-elections). Yes, Tories+DUP had a majority in Commons, but that's not the whole picture imo. Afaik, May would have never gotten the full support of her Conservative Party, because the eurosceptics in ERG would have opposed her anyway. So I think that it's reasonable to negotiate with the opposition during the talks with the European Union (and def not as late as May did!). I agree that a regulatory alignment at the Irish Sea would have been best, and May drew many unnecessary red lines.
@@romano-britishmedli7407 I think the EU pretty much suggested that in the first place, May was stubborn and refused to see the simplicity in the solution because she wanted to maintain her majority in Parliament. I don't see any solution at this point apart from the UK crashing out. Sadly perhaps this is how people will finally appreciate what they have when they lost it.
Stormont - the Northern Ireland Assembly is currently suspended - so how could this deal possibly work? This is Boris trying to be tricky! He's still trying to get his no deal Brexit by the 31st.
So what is TLDR going to do after Brexit?
...who am I kidding, Brexit will never end.
There is going to be a GE soon so they will cover that, I’m surprised they don’t cover any other European elections. I guess they can’t be arsed looking up other countries political systems.
Italy’s seems extremely insane and chaotic and Germany’s is predictably over bureaucratic and federalist. Both pretty weird and interesting.
Have more time for gay cruises?
@@mrmagoo-i2l
In Italy it feels like the government is falling apart half the time. The other half it just feels like a mediocre government, which it is.
Cover the UK’s re-entry into the EU I suppose.
Social Justice Warrior Maybe, it would be a bit niche. But they have done other videos, legalise cannabis etc... it doesn’t get as many views. I think it’s something they’re going to have to get used to.
I was answering what are they going to do instead of Brexit though, so covering Brexit won’t be an option.
Ireland: “No borders”
UK: “Eh”
Ireland “absolutely no borders”
UK: “hmmmmmm...”
Ireland: “No. Borders.”
UK: “.....two borders??”
UK: "One border and a half...? And free cookies...?"
There IS a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland they are two separate states - that's the problem.
Having no borders is impossible.
EU: "if it's a no-deal Brexit, we will build a hard border..."
Ireland: "whaaaaaat?"
Ireland: No borders.
UK: I agree. *pushes border to the coast taking back sovereign territory of the Crown*
A vast, totally new, integrated computerized custom system spanning two countries with currently hypothetical hardware and totally new systems sounds like something the UK government should have no trouble getting done quickly and cheaply without any major glitches or vulnerabilities :p
Lol
Hand me my magic wand and I'll conjure it up in a flash.
Careful now that sounds like traitor talk. All patriots will be manning the "customs centres" across NI that this proposal will require.
There are houses with the bathroom in Northern Ireland and the kitchen in the ROI.
So every time the owner wants to change the toilet paper he has to put it in a sealed container to transport it from one part of the house to another? And before doing so, the container should be checked and scanned at departure as well as arrival?
@@czarzenana5125 I know there's houses on the US-Canada and Netherlands-Belgium boarders. On the Netherlands-Belgium boarder the homes are considered to be in the country that their front door is in for legal purposes. On the US-Canada boarder it is whoever owns the roads that connects to the home's driveway. I imagine this would work in a similar manner.
"In the latest development, after his previous proposal was rejected, Boris Johnson has now proposed a series of 20 smaller, more specialised borders distributed across the breadth of Northern Ireland. He has stated that this will 'spread out the anti-border sentiment across a wider area, thus making it more acceptable to everyone.'
"Continuing, he stated: 'Imagine taking a 10ft high wall and tipping it over sideways, so it's only one brick high at any given point. That way, the essential borderness we require exists, but it can be more easily stepped over.' Predictably, this has been roundly denounced by everyone both within and without his party.
"When we reached out to EU leaders for comment, all we heard was a rhythmic thumping sound as though someone was repeatedly banging their head against a wall, followed by various curses in French and Polish."
Im almost afraid to ask if this is true? With bojo you never know
Not to worry, it's not true. ... Hold on.
*checks BBC*
Yup, we're still good for the moment.
Merde !
Kurwa
@@Quxxy I could genuinely see this being an idea he puts forward.
So northern Ireland get to choose to align with Ireland (EU) or the UK? That'll go well.
NatesterTF yeaaaaaah. That’s not a spark in a powder keg
That's the TLDR of the TLDR of this deal: "Fuck the peace, we're out."
Yeah, not like there was any "troubles" regarding that before.
In all seriousness, a no deal brexit would mean 100% northern Ireland uniting with proper Ireland and joining the EU. If that happens then there is a good 80% shot that Scotland will also attempt a crash out because they would be way better selling their goods to the EU for their own profit. And if Scotland leaves, then it is guaranteed England will enter a state of freefall market crash
Perhaps Northern Ireland will split in half, with Southern Northern Ireland joining Republic of Ireland, and Northern Northern Ireland remaining in the UK!
@@Graham_Wideman I love those names. Sound like good official countries
I cant see this going down well with Northern Irland at all. As lord buckethead said: "Its gonna be a sh*t show"
All hail Lord Buckethead!
The woman leader of The DUP ( I forget her name) liked the idea..... surprisingly! Still don't think the EU will buy it though. It is kinda clever to come up with any kind of different solution though in such a short time. It took everyone else 3 years lol. I would love to know who thought this up, even though I don't think it will happen! I could be wrong. I often am. We will see :)
Another reason why the DUP is mouthing along to the script is damage control:
Since BoJo has lost his wafer thin majority, even with the DUP’s MPs, the latter has effectively lost their leverage over the Tories, meaning that BoJo is free to not give a flying flamingo about the DUP’s constant carping, demands and outright blackmail (such as May’s billion pounds in slightly prettified bribery to secure DUP support).
Having tried to wring out as many economic and political favours from London until now, the DUP knows that the halcyon days are over and it now tries to ingratiate itself by switching from grasping opportunism to apparently stalwart loyalism, hoping that they may get some concessions in the future, or at least not be left by the wayside.
@silverfoxeater you are entirely right. Arlene Foster has been on TV hysterically screaming about Leo Varadkar's very measured response in Sweden today where he said it could provide the basis for further talks but fell short in several areas. The Tories and the DUP are singing from the same blame game hymnsheet! This deal is a totally bad one for NI with 2 borders instead of none. The DUP rejected a much better Teresa May deal which gave NI the best of both worlds because it put a border in the Irish sea...so does this one.
BUCKETHEAD FOR PM
So the plan is to make N-Ireland a semi independent country. They have to follow the rules of the EU without an vote. But can vote on UK law that doesn't apply to them.
To be fair, it's the Irish that are quarrelling for a solution along these lines with the Good Friday agreement.
They don't want a hard border with an EU state so the EU will overreach into their sovereignty, which threatens that of the rest of the UK.
@@Bushflare The EU is not a state. It's the Irish border. And NI will still fall under UK laws for the most part just like UK now. Only some regulations have to be obeyed, which are common in all 27 EU members. It's actually what UK has now, would than be only applied to NI.
So basically status quo.
Why not go all the way and make Northern Ireland (or Ulster) an independent country in its own right? It's not a new idea, Ulster nationalism had a lot of popularity in the 1970s.
@@GuruEvi Nope, it's unacceptable to UK as it mean losing sovereignty of North Ireland. It's a lose-lose situation for UK as they will lose NI along with free trade agreement
It's insane; after years of insisting there can't be a border, he wants to impose the most extensive border ever. It's entirely a time wasting effort and blame game, with party members already having been briefed on what to call the EU *when* they reject it.
Just got the news alert from BBC about his new Brexit plan and already there's a new TLDR video. Great work Jack!
And the rest of the team, great job!
It came out yesterday. Pretty late though so I bet they pulled an all nighter. .
TLDR is pretty much the best "Brexit news" source. 🙂
Where are my remoaners at? 😊
“You spend too long reading the news each day.”
You’ve got me there.
The funny thing is I understand it because TLDR News have explained it before.
I feel ur pain
This made me laugh more than it should’ve
"If you're watching this Mr. Johnson..."
If? Without you explaining this, he'd have no idea what's going on.
Bold to assume he does
@@et34tt He's too occupied painting buses.
Wait, are you claiming that he does have any idea?
I bet you snowflakes would love Mr. Corbyn to be PM 🤮
That proposal was designed to fail, so Johnson can shout about the EU being unreasonable.
' you know your rule wih every member of your union, wanna break it for me?'
'no we don even like you'
'WTFF NOOT COOL BRO.'
Its so obvious it's childish....the 'incredible Sulk' strikes again!
That’s why you guys need to man up and call for an election. He will not do your biding.
@@rvanzo925 there is no "manning up" issue. It's a stupid idea to have an election literally at the time that detraction from Brexit could lead to a no deal via falling through the cracks. It's a terrible idea to have a general election at a moment of national constitutional crisis. Especially having only had one 2 years ago and especially as it would almost certainly result in a hung parliament. That Johnson is electioneering rather than in serious negotiations tells us a lot about his priorities.
I'm not a Boris Johnson supporter, intact I don't really give a shit about British politics because I'm Irish but I've been keeping up to date with brexit and from what I've been able to take away from boris's proposal that it was set up to fail so Boris can crash out because he has a plan which he has repeatedly said, the UKs trade with the US is going to triple once they leave and other countries are setting up trade agreements, he has markets in which he is heavily investing in (to do with modern technology). people believe everything they're told, research it properly before speaking on the subject
EU and Ireland: We need to maintain no borders going forward.
Uk: How about two borders and a high likelihood of it defaulting every 4 years?
EU: We need the UK to enter into a plan that the UK has no ability to unilaterally withdraw from thus keeping the UK paying into EU coffers but with no say on EU policy reliant on the EU for permission that they would have no incentive to grant.
UK: Lets make brexit as smooth as possible but understand that we reserve the right to withdraw with no further arrangements if we think continued efforts to make a smooth exit are going nowhere.
@@Aspartame69 Its the British Government who wanted the UK wide backstop, the EU and Ireland were happy with just NI as that would maintain the intentions of the Good Friday agreement.
@TheBaconHunter She was the democratically elected leader of the UK , who did you expect the EU to negotiate with?
Saying EU and Ireland is saying the wrong thing. Ireland is one of the 27... it IS the EU, as is every other country belonging to it.
Edit: And no, this plan won't work either.
@Flaming1100
Your glib statement is very simplistic and unhelpful.
There *already is* a border between ROI/NI
It copes with
. Currency
. VAT
. Taxation; wages; jobs; travel
. Livestock health checks
And the proposal avoids putting infrastructure along or even near the border, and does not hinder movement.
It merely tracks goods which can be checked on departure, tracked in transit and confirmed on arrival.
I wrote barcode / consignment tracking applications in 1990.
This is not a situation that we have not dealt with before.
The consignment tracking software I wrote was intended to cope with "five finger discounts" and "fell off the back of the truck" incidents. But the goal is the same. To ensure that what arrives is the same as what departs and has all the burocratic paraphernalia dealt with.
Life is full of such issues, the world over.
RFID, GPS tracking, ANPR, QR codes and ubiquitous Internet access make this a doddle to be honest.
You seem to be seeking a bugger in every bush.
I invite you enter the 21st century.
Everybody: Having a border on either side of Northern Ireland would be bad.
Boris: I have a compromise... let's have borders on both sides!
Everybody: ...
If nobody can agree on how to be happy, everyone has to be miserable.
That is the nature of compromise.
@@Bushflare Yes, in that sense, this perfectly portrays a compromise.
@Joker
Brexit wasn't the fault of the politicians. Brexit occurred because the people wanted it. The remainers call the Brexiteers liars, the Brexiteers call the remainers liars. Politicians on both side of the divide are just being opportunistic.
This whole situation was unavoidable. The EU has worn out what good will it had with the British people and sooner or later we were going to be put into this situation.
It's no good finger-pointing, because you don't have enough fingers.
Big chunk of "Everybody": a border is better solution than Britain remain indefinite vassalage of EU.
@@Bushflare both side said liars to the others. But only the leave campaign was condemned by a court for lies, fraud and so on.
MPs hate him!
Learn how to lose Northern Ireland in this one secret trick...
Lose? The people of Northern Ireland would take up arms to stay British.
Tommy Crush Ever been?
Not that many people care, their is a few rows on estates. It’s heated but it would be any way,
Has any of these southern twats ever met an Irish person?
I doubt it.
Bojo: So here's my awesome plan...
EU: *The council will decide your fate*
I AM THE COUNCIL
Raptor Not Yet!
@@edsr164 Its treason then
I like it, it’s more like an ultimatum. All or nothing. Good for Bojo
@@TheGreatAmarant72
Except the EU is not in a desperate situation like the loves to make it look. They probably don't give a shit if there's no deal. The UK is one of the EU's biggest economic powers, but Germany is even bigger and with the sheer amount of countries involved it will hardly make an impact. Whereas the UK alone without the backing of a massive trade bloc won't be able to get deals anywhere near as good as what the EU has.
Johnson's 'threats' are only to make him seem to the British public like he's taking control, but the EU isn't scared at all. The EU would be perfectly fine with no deal. The only reason the deadline has been pushed back so many times is because the UK keeps asking for it.
Johnson's threats seem to apply more to the MPs who've already declared themselves against a no-deal Brexit.
So one border was unacceptable for the UK in regards to Northern Ireland but two is totally fine. 🤦♀️
What's even more funny: This was the EU's initial proposal (well, aside from this whole "we're doing the checks away from the border, so it's not really a border" mess) and it was the UK, namely May's negotiating team - likely under pressure from the DUP - that argued against this. Just to be sure, I say that again: The UK did NOT want this solution when the EU proposed it.
Edit: I should clarify. The EU's proposal was to apply the backstop to NI only. This whole two-borders thing and letting NI choose for themselves was not. So maybe it IS a significant change in ideas... dunno...
@@QemeH Yeah the UK is terrible at negotiations. If the UK were a person it would pay double at a -50% off sale.
It's a bit like his marriage. He is married, but in a way he is not married. He just picks what suits him best in a certain situation.
In the cases no border is wanted between Northern Ireland and the republic you can say the border is in the Irish sea and in the cases a border is needed between the two Irelands you can say there is a border between them.
This is some Dr. Evil logic right here.
"Why have one border when we can have.... *two borders?*"
Strictly speaking one board can cause more delay then if you have two to reduce the time and procedures for checks and regulations. I somewhat prefer this deal more then the mays deal.
So essentially Boris is admitting that a unified Ireland is actually the easiest option.
Soo, who wants to work in a Customs Office in Northern Ireland after this? You have to supply your own body armour btw. o___O
demos113 Given how the goods checks are on the basis of trust, you won’t need even show up to work.
Let me guess... Johnson has a relative who makes steel containers?
@@JorgTheElder No-deal means the strict euro finance laws are gone. All the UK then needs to do is to change it's own laws to be more like the Jersey island. You and I will still pay taxes because we can't afford a numbered bank account at Barclays.
Johnson's real Brexit plan: get this deal passed thereby getting passed the Ben Act however after this passes it needs approved by the NI Assembly...... the very NI Assembly that hasnt sat for 3 years. Oh dear we cant pass the deal so No Deal Brexit.
Kevin Edie if you, a random UA-cam commenter has figured this out, then I hope to god the idiots that are in opposition have also realised this.
So you feel your comment was right? Think again 😏
Because they can’t restore the assembly all
He's not trying to get this proposal passed, he wants it rejected to put blame on the EU and gear up for an election, either during an extension or after a no deal.
The proposal is completely laughable because it's designed to be. It gives the DUP a veto on the SPS zone and puts customs posts in Ireland with only a "promise" that they won't have them close to the border.
But once it's rejected by the EU he can say "Well I proposed something and they rejected it, therefore blame them" and use that in his election campaign if either an extension or a no deal happens.
@@mranimazing2190 if that is really what he's trying to do he is even more stupid than he's perceived by most of the people, both in Europe and the UK. A deal is always between two (or more) parts, not a one-sided proposal. A deal has to be *negotiated*, which is what May did, and if he thinks he can force the EU to do anything, he can think again.
I'm sorry for you UK people who have to suffer this, just because the uneducated and the bitter old people decided they didn't want to play anymore. Whatever deal the UK is getting, it will be worse than being a full-blown member. If you think we Norwegians have a good deal, you're illusional, we have no influence in Brussels at all, and what the EU imposes on us, we mostly have to just swallow. Also, Norway is part of the Schengen agreement, which the UK is not, and has never been, so all the people saying "but the immigrants" can shut right up. The immigrant situation will actually get worse after Brexit, not better, no matter how many borders they put around Northern Ireland.
So Johnson's solution to the border in Ireland....is to create two borders in Ireland?
hahahaha yeah! You would expect that from that dipshit wouldnt you :)))))
There already is a border. The idea is not to do checks on the border - easy.
@@tommycrush2086 But what they really want is no checks at all.
Am I the only person who remembers this idea being a massive no no 18 months ago
Bold of him to assume that Northern Ireland will have a government til then
Ehh... northern ireland will have a government, but it might not be one affiliated with the UK.
@@walterbunn280 northern Ireland has been without a functioning government for about 3 years by now (apparently it's too much too ask to scrap up a coalition)
That's the whole point make it someone else's problem and , 'oh look were already out and they are still not sitting in stormont whoopsie '
Cheeky! I like it!!
2:35 [clearly and concisely explains a difficult topic in children's terms]
3:05 "CLEARLY IF U KNEW WHAT I'M TALKING ABT UR A NERD"
*I feel so personally attacked rn*
lmao jk
Yeah i thought: "ok, that makes sense" after the first explanation and suddenly i get that condescending "Well good for you, mr. know-it-all"
He complimented you in a humorous manner, comparing you to himself, you are a know-it-all news nerd just like he is or you require more detailed explanation like the idiots who voted for the Brexit "pig-in-a-poke" and are getting a peek inside the bag.
If you feel attacked, you should avoid room temps where snowflakes melt.
@@yoursotruly Why don't you scroll up to my comment and click "show more".
It was a joke. Looks like I triggered somebody tho lmao
Erratum 1:30: The border is 499 km long, not miles. That's 311 miles.
Erratum= $20 word
I'll add that to my "things learned today" folder!
"Oh, we'll just trust companies to do their own customs checks! Industries are so good at regulating themselves, NO STOP LOOKING AT BOEING"
The border between NI and the Republic is 499 kilometers, not 499 miles.
As you highlighted - there’s still going to be a customs border, there’s still a place where goods need to be stopped and scanned. It’s still a border where people need to be stopped and searched for smuggled products, possibly by an authority they don’t recognize as their own. That’s going to cause trouble.
It also puts the future of the British border in Ireland up to the Northern Irish assembly. The assembly cannot meet unless the executive is made up of the representatives of the two largest parties (inevitably the DUP and Sinn Féin). If there is an opt in clause of the single market, all the DUP needs to do is resign from the assembly and run down the clock at the end of that 4 year period to ensure they get their hard border. No matter what you do, if there is a timer on this deal instead of an affirmative decision made by the assembly, decisions will be made undemocratically by defaults and timers. That’s why the EU has already rejected proposals for a timed backstop.
Again, it’s hard to see how anyone in Johnson’s cabinet thought this idea would be accepted, since it essentially involves re-proposing two ideas already rejected by the commission and only offers in return a 4 year timed alignment with the customs union in return. Despite the reserved (if frosty) tone of Irish ministers, they’re starting to get cynical about Johnson’s claims that he is even trying to reach a compromise.
I have missed a fair bit of this Brexit season episodes, but is it true he only did it to actually make hard brexit happen?
@@zengara11 No, he did it to claim that it is EU intransigence that is making a deal impossible.
Not that anyone with more than 2 functioning brain cells will buy it, but there will be plenty of Britons who will.
Johnson _can't_ take the UK out without a deal. He will be voted out and removed from office, if he tried that.
The fact is you guys are too afraid of an election. This would solve things.
And once again Johnson forgot the people. No EU membership means no freedom of movement and that means checks of people at the border must happen. The EU is not a trade deal only. But Johnson only talks about plans for goods.
Correct, they evade the free movement of people part as if people don't matter.
In a way I can understand it. I´ve watched the debates in the commons in their entirety (don´t ask why) and there was an intense focus on the Yellowhammer document and its prediction on medicine shortages, followed by concerns about the general industry and their exports, followed by talks about fish and sheep and cheese. I can´t remember much talk about immigration and people crossing the border other than the tories critisising labours plan.
I mean, it´s stupid to forget or ignore one of the major concerns with Northern Ireland just because it wasn´t mentioned as much, but so is this entire plan, so no surprises here I guess.
The free movement between the UK and RoI is based on the Good Friday agreement, not the EU’s institutions.
Jayden Clarke The EU did not sign that agreement. So EU law applies after a no deal brexit and that means no freedom of movement
Marc Weßeling the fact that the EU didn’t sign that agreement is exactly why it continues after no-deal brexit. It’s a bi-lateral deal between the British & Irish governments..
So in four years there would basically a vote of whether Northern Ireland would be part of the UK or part of EU and therefore also Ireland, and people think it WON'T bring back the troubles?
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@@marcusdoe6552 I love TL;DR News' content, I'm just so, 100% sick of the plugs. Every damn video. I would unsubscribe but the content is genuinely so worth watching that I'm prepared to just skip past the plugs every video.
EU: We don't want a border between NI and ROI.
BOJO: Hmm how about two borders? Like with block chain technology? And it'll be so great! Farts will smell like French perfume!
"They'll be great borders, the best borders. I have the smartest people in the world working on them. Smart, so smart people. No one really understood borders till I looked into them. Did you know Northern Ireland is complicated? I didn't, no one did, but it is. But I have the best people, I'll make the most beautiful borders you've ever seen. They'll be so majestic. Build the borders, build the borders!" ~Definitely not Boris Johnson 2019
@@WhichDoctor1 Are you Donald Trump?😀
...hol up... did you just put a baseball mit on screen to represent... the backstop?
Surely you're thinking of... a SHORTstop 😂
So, to prevent a hard border, Johnson wants to heavily monitor a far larger part of Ireland/Northern Ireland than just the direct border area. It is bloody insane to expect this to be a solution.
BoJo be like: "Booooordaaaa, booooordaaaa!"
"I hate to break it to you, Mr. Johnson. Probably not."
BoJo: "YESS" *fistpump*
I've read this from the BBC and The Telegraph, and this is by far the easiest explanation out there.
Makes sense
Wait, you can have your exports checked before they reach the border? How do they know they'll actually be the same items that cross the border?
I can see the benefit of having your own trade agreements, but it seems like there’s no way to please everyone, and it also seems like maybe the people may not want Brexit. Why can Brexit not just be cancelled?
Hey Team! Keep up the fantastic work! You're doing an excellent job!
In a nutshell: In 4 years time if the NI wants to sod off it can sod off.
DUP will love this proposal.
Just so you know, it wouldn't be the North "sodding off" it would be British Occupation sodding off. According to the Good Friday agreement, the people of Northern Ireland can vote to leave the UK at any time they please. This was already requested to Theresa May and was declined due to DUP pressure. Which is a breach of the agreement. We will not allow a hard boarder on our Island again
The DUP may not be in power in 4 years, expect a lot of money to be spent trying to win them over by both sides.
N Ireland should like it in general.
not really, you will still have a border in ireland, which is unacceptable, only some one completely detached form reality would even suggest a border there.
The British side very well understands the no-gos from perspective of the EU, so it's clear this won't go undebated. Yes, to me this sounds a bit like Mr. Johnson shoving NI towards the EU. Since NI won't (easily) join the EU as an independent state, it's more likely to merge with the Republic first. That's...unexpected, but why not? Did the DUP see that coming?
@@SSSGD yes sure, look NI voted remain in the referendum and BJ is only pushing NI away with this proposal. Those loyal to the crown in NI will not accept this lightly, DUP included. Boris is only signalling that the NI is a liability he is more than willing to let go. This after spending months defending the integrity of the union.
in a nutshell Boris made some shit up knowing the EU will reject and can turn to his base and say see I tried. He always wanted a no deal as there is money to be made from that.
"the border is about 499 miles long"
Sounds like a very rough estimate to me.
It's 499km (310 miles)
I've been told the NI parliament hasn't had a session in years? How would they be able to vote then? (Assuming there's issues that can't just be solved quickly or else they would have a functioning parliament)
A referendum is being mentioned as a substitute for parliamentary approval on news reports this evening in NI
So, for two years Northern Ireland has is going to be privileged: they can buy goods from EU tax free via Ireland. (I can imagine various schemes of getting things out of Northern Ireland to UK) I wonder how people in England and Scotland feel about it?
Wales is here too, please don't forget :(
@@12dada12 Ah, apologies. Lol
@@12dada12 We all forgot, I thought you'd be used to it by now little brother
Depends on if the UK parliament actually changes it's regulations to allow it to be competitive, and what trade deals it makes, a lot of EU regulation exists because of French and German companies wanting to minimise competition, so they have laws which benefit one particular nation over others. The UK could actually be cheaper to be in than the EU, IF the right regulations are changed/rescinded. That said I don't have faith in this, since the current state of politics is so adversarial.
so they want to leave the EU but don't want to leave the EU????????
Sure, let's go with it.
I mean - at this point it seams the options are - continuing the mess, NI joining ROI and war in NI.
Northern Ireland is going to leave the UK.
100%.
And Scotland soon after
I doubt that very much they are more patriotic to be part of Britain than the majority of brits plus cus of the troubles they wont want to join the republic of Ireland either
@@TheSpooner666
That's only one side of the coin. The other part still considers themselves Irish and they're against the UK. This has always been a massive point of contention and if Johnson's plan goes through it could cause massive problems in Northern Ireland. It's hard to tell which side would win, but it's not unlikely for Northern Ireland to leave the UK.
@@cammarc There's a third part: those who would rather just get on with their lives and maintain the peace and prosperity that the peace process and GFA have brought.
But of course that would only be about 99.99% of the population…
@@hughpugh6286
Obviously the overwhelming majority don't really care right now, but if Johnson's plan goes through and Northern Ireland has to choose whether to steer closer to the rest of Europe (and therefore also Ireland) or to the UK those tensions could (and probably would) come back. Probably not to the extent they were in the past, but still no good.
Your content is spot on. The simple graphics and concise narrative is excellent and easy to follow
I have watched countless hours of Brexit debate on all of the popular news channels in the recent past, but never fully grasped the whole backstop debate...... until now. Thanks and well done
Sounds like Northern Island would be better off going independent or unifying with southern Ireland
There hasn’t been a Southern Ireland in a century. It’s just called « Ireland ».
It most certainly would, and independence is not a new idea - Ulster nationalism had quite a bit of popularity in the 1970s - but how would the Republic of Ireland react and would they be willing to accept Ulster into the EU?
@@64ankka As a resident of Ireland, I can attest there's very strong support for having NI in the EU. Direct reunification does not garner as much support, so a transition period, or longer term independence of NI side by side with Ireland, would probably go on for ten years or so.
The head of the Irish government is called the Taoiseach in Irish and English, not Prime Minister.
How do you pronounce that?
@@IreneShardaForever "TEESH-uhkh" :P (Or, sounds a bit like "teacher". - Ed.)
This doesn't solve anything and makes things worse.
It has all the downsides of having borders around Nothern Ireland... without any of the upsides!
Reading the comments, I love British sarcasm.
"Compromise" doesn't even sound like a real word anymore.
Here’s a compromise, why doesn’t the EU take all UK students with little worthwhile skills, who can’t speak a second language, have no money and a terrible work ethic. They are so sure the EU wants them, why not let them have them.
There’s the compromise, the EU get a large group of remainers, we get to live in peace. Everyone’s happy.
There is no compromise, no one will be happy. From now on expect every GE to be very dirty and dragged through the courts. Even the Lib Dem’s and labour seem unable to compromise.
@@mrmagoo-i2l LOL. Cuz obviously you have more worthwhile skills than most students.
@@Minodrec
I've not met Mugwump IRL but I have met students and NGL I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Students are dumb as fuck.
Minodrec No smart arse answer to that have you?
Yeah genius, Germany and France are just dying for you to come and wait their tables.
Good luck with that, idiot.
Johnson’s pretty much given up on Northern Ireland. After 4 years. They’re mandated to choose between EU or UK. Smh
UK: We're bringing back a hard border
IRA: *sweats*
@Nub93 I know what a hard border is I do politics in college my guy
Hey this is a great video and you guys at TLDR so some amazing work condensing complicated issues into simple words and graphics. I also tho love that while you all have biases, you try to be as unbiased and unopinionated in your reporting as possible (which is something, as an American, that I find a welcome change of pace). Keep it up guys. I'm not a donor quite yet bc of personal finances but I'm glad I subscribed! I look forward to every new video you make!
Boris Johnson Presents: A More Complicated Version Of Something You've Heard Before
Lol at the telegraph screen capture with the star. "There was an attempt."
Six borders for four years. Scotland 🏴 should get it’s own borders. London needs to have its own borders too.
Alternative proposal: Borders around every constituency that voted leave. Those that voted remain will stay in the EU, those that voted leave can have Johnsons crash out Brexit. If we gonna burn the UK to the ground, might as well go all out.
can a no deal Brexit just happen already so the whole world can watch the UK fall apart. love you guys but what were you thinking.
Tax-avoidance is a felony with max 7 year imprisonment and unlimited fine.
Aaron Okeanos Yeah, I’m sure those in power tremble at the thought of an EU inquiry into tax avoidance.
Get real, they will know every trick in the book. They wrote it.
with the regulatory border between UK and Ireland, Northern Ireland might as well just be independent or follow Ireland as a whole.
Thank you again for the update. I cannot hope enough you will have more supporters!!
I'm still wondering about Scotland. Have they decided to retry their independence yet?
Not yet, but there's been a growing sentiment for it. I think if the UK leaves, Scotland will launch a bid for independence.
The SNP have asked repeatedly whether Scotland would be allowed to vote on independence again in case of a no deal Brexit, but the government shot them down because there was a vote in 2014 already and "voters were told it was a once in a generation thing and they voted to remain", conveniently forgetting that a major reason for that were concerns about Scotlands membership in the EU.
Scotland won't easily join the EU after they left the UK, the same as for Catalonia (local nationalists thrive around a 50:50 situation, held up by a lot of pathos, not so much fact....oh, like Brexit haha). Scotlands income largly depends on the oil price, so the OPEC can severly damage them by flooding the markets (and we know who's friend the Saudis are). Scottish independence would be a risky thing. I'd not like to see them end up like after trying to become a colonial power.
@@Brandanus Oil has been becoming less of an income source for years, with us in a position to really expand renewable energy production and be a power plant of Europe. We'd gain true self determination, and have a vote that matters in an organisation that actually works together with member states.
Where exactly, in this day and age, are we going to colonise? This isn't the middle ages.
Next couple years, at a glance. SNP is polling its highest ever, and predicted to take over all remaining Tory seats in Scotland.
I never thought I would hear my favorite news tell me I'm too involved in news. Perhaps you are just excellent at explaining things.
Plus, how am I supposed to get my us govt news taste out of my mouth if not with a beautiful cup of tea with my distant cousins across the pond? 1 sugar no milk, dash of cinnamon or a stick. Mmmm going to go make tea.
What if they just let N. Ireland go? :>
To be fair, I didn't expect any remotely reasonable proposal to come out of this government. Could it be Johnson is not completely hot air? Could there be a bit of substance?
Northern Ireland should be returned back to Ireland.
Ireland should be returned back to Northern Ireland.
No comments about the content, but some of your audio transitions were really harsh in this one. Appreciate the rate you're kicking these videos out though. Thanks!
What did Nigel Farage say about it?
Who cares?
Why people dont want to believe that brexit is bad for the UK?
Because bad for the UK economy and bad for the UK are not synonymous and many people have different valuations on what constitutes the national good.
If you shit on the road and then forced to swallow it back, would you do it?
@@hansbass8119 I agree, but that is part of the problem, why imagine it like something horrible to do? you can be wrong because you where miss informed but that does not mean that you have to eat your own shit if you change your mind after becoming better informed on the matter.
@@danielhaupt2066 if only... people putting their faith in leaders which profit immensely from screwing them over
@@danielhaupt2066
And what is to say anybody is any more informed now than they were when they voted, or that the people who have become more informed are exclusive to the remain camp? Is it not also possible that a lot of remain voters have come to realise the veracity of the positions held by leave voters and have come to regret their decision? This is not a simple matter of right and wrong, it is a matter of two value systems conflicting.
this is going to go south fast
"Congratulations, you spend too much time reading the news." Ouch. It's doubly bad since I'm not even from the UK, so it's news that isn't even relevant to me.
Same here... Let's just take the "congratulations" part and pretend it's a compliment.
So the solution is a Big Brother omniscient surveillance state...
Weren't the DUP totally against treating NI any different from the rest of the UK? How on earth could they ever support this?
chelseafc529 their support base is very very anxious not to lose their jobs, which are mostly in agribusiness. That’s the reason why they can accept crossing the red line as long as only food is concerned. The rest of NI can have an Irish Sea border for all they care.
I can't thank you guys at TLDR enough. You never say "the Irish boarder" when speaking of the North. It really shows the levels of integrity and respect you have to remaining unbiased and bringing factual content to journalism. It is never an easy to talk about Ireland and it's history as it is still very fresh for us but you handle it unbelievably well. So thank you!
Future tip: A huge mistake uk media make is calling our Taoiseach a Prime Minister. We don't have a PM.... it's Taoiseach. Pronounced *Tea shock* just thought this may help in the future
Stephen McGovern Guess what? The Taoiseach is described in the Constitution of Ireland as "the head of the Government or Prime Minister."
*border is 499 KILOMETRES long, not miles
Are you implying that reading too much news is a bad thing?
thank you for that subscribe ad at the beginning of the video, because y'all are always suggested for me, that I forgot I wasn't subscribed.
So its just a confusing unrealistic plan which he tries to hammer to the commons so he doesnt have to comply with the benn act thanks to the exact wording and he can run down the clock in peace.
Still has to go through Parliament. So he has that going for him. Good luck getting that past the opposition
All you need to know is that the DUP _doesn't_ have a problem with a plan that divides NI from the rest of Britain, but are in fact expected to vote in favor of it. Clearly, they don't think that is what the plan is _actually_ for. More likely, it is so Boris can circumvent the Benn act by saying "look, parliament voted for a deal so now we can go out with it" and then just refuse to implement it or get it rejected by the EU (which they would).
Great video. Aaaaand another border.... that isn't technically precisely exactly on the border. Still contravenes spirit of the Good Friday Agreement.
Aaaand... no border at the same time. So non-Irish citizens are free to enter the UK without any restriction whatsoever. Aaaand... is everyone in the DUP drunk at the moment? They have been fighting tooth and nail to avoid this scenario...
The EU has been trying to undo Good Friday since it was signed.
@@Imman1s Since the Gov't no longer has a majority even with the DUP, they don't really matter anymore
@@ILikedGooglePlus I know they don't, but at least they should be screaming their displeasure toward something that essentially leaves NI under different rules than the rest of the UK. That has been their red line from the get go, that's why May's deal had to keep the whole UK in the customs union and the reason it was rejected three times. I'm just mildly amused about how flexible is the DUP with their non negotiable principles, that's all.
Most of the EU players, Varadkar, Tusk, Verhofstadt, Junker, Barnier and some of the MEPs, have said, well you strip away the diplomatic politeness and it boils down to `Don`t be so bloody ridiculous`.
Given that, discussing Johnson`s proposals is simply a waste of time.
Don`t underestimate that the EU is probably sick to death of having to put up with all this nonsense.
Does anybody feel like this is the perfect recipe for an escalation of the animosity in that area?
And possibly trashing 20 years of healing and make all the peace efforts and victims of the war before the GFA senseless. That's why EU is so strong on the Backstop and a border in the Irish Sea.
Aaron Okeanos They are keen because it’s financially beneficial for the EU to have a backstop.
Don’t put them on a pedestal, don’t kid yourself. It’s about power and money.
I really like the replication of Boris's hairstyle on the figure
So effectively a 2 years delay in leaving the EU, no matter what you choose to spin it as. I wonder what the Brexit Party will make of that?
Nothing, the 2 year transition period has been accepted since the beginning. That’s why everyone screaming about the sky falling down is so bizarre.
Just a bunch of students screaming on the internet, plus the world will end in a few years, a demented Swedish girl told them.
@@mrmagoo-i2l They argue the two year transition period has already been done and by the letter of the law they are correct. It's actually been longer.
Article 50 was invoked. Not suggested it was being invoked, but was invoked, in full. That started a 24 month transition period... Back in 2017.
It's now 2019. The transition period ended according to the treaty back on the 29th march. It has since been extended.
I’m watching UK news to avoid the dumpster fire that is US News.
Actually that does make sense.
However will the EU forget King Solomon's answer to this?
"Let it be?", no that was mother Mary.
But isn't it true, that not agreeing to a deal by the EU, in the hope of avoiding a border between Ireland and N. Ireland, would result in EXACTLY that, namely: a border between Ireland and N. Ireland!
In their attempt of avoiding a no border, they risk creating the very thing they wish to avoid. Under a "no deal" scenario there will be undoubtedly a "hard border".
This Muppet never had a plan.
sad your vacation is over, but glad you're back in the studio
I'm at the stage where I find this whole brexit thing boring.
It will be even more boring when government is suspended. I was glad the first time, we had a break for a few days.
A clean break may be better. A complicated process is too good a cover for nefarious intentions, and it wastes resources.
@@AaronOkeanos Do you feel so threatened by a simple comment, that you revert to hyperbolic nonsense? That's a boring and feeble tactic.
@@lenapistone7135 :)
May [about tariff borders existing between the islands of Ireland and Britain]: This is presumptuous! No british PM would ever agree to this!
Johnson: Hold my Guiness!
This is made possible because the support from the DUP no longer holds any weight in Parliament, so the Government can do whatever they want and the DUP have to accept it. Big difference from May's term when her whole majority relies on the DUP.
@@eofalassion To be honest, I never understood why May didn't try to reach a compromise with the opposition on probably the most important national question since WW2. (But, to be fair, Corbyn doesn't seem to be very moderate as well.)
I like the fact that the DUP has gotten pretty much irrelevant now.
The absurdity of Brexit is quite entertaining, in a way.
@@romano-britishmedli7407 why would she? She had a majority in the Commons, she tried to do it properly going through all proper procedure but she got hamstrung by her own coalition by the ERG led by JRM and Boris. Also her own red lines basically made it impossible to get a proper functioning arrangement. If she agreed to set the regulatory alignment at the Irish Sea she wouldn't have so much of an issue and the backstop would not have been required, it was her own fear of losing the DUP support and majority in Parliament that caused this. She didn't realize her own ppl were backstabbing her until it was too late.
@@eofalassion Well, the way I'm seeing it, she didn't have a majority in the Commons (I'm talking about post-2017-elections). Yes, Tories+DUP had a majority in Commons, but that's not the whole picture imo. Afaik, May would have never gotten the full support of her Conservative Party, because the eurosceptics in ERG would have opposed her anyway. So I think that it's reasonable to negotiate with the opposition during the talks with the European Union (and def not as late as May did!).
I agree that a regulatory alignment at the Irish Sea would have been best, and May drew many unnecessary red lines.
@@romano-britishmedli7407 I think the EU pretty much suggested that in the first place, May was stubborn and refused to see the simplicity in the solution because she wanted to maintain her majority in Parliament. I don't see any solution at this point apart from the UK crashing out. Sadly perhaps this is how people will finally appreciate what they have when they lost it.
Thanks guys! One small suggestion: I would have like to see the date and the site's logo on the news article you showed.
Gosh you really run that mile to stretch your video 0.1 seconds longer so you can add more ads in.
It's true. Too many do it
@Seb C nope
@@thepolticalone961 Why not use an adblocker?
@Seb C well done have a cookie
@@BlueGangsta1958 using my phone
Can Northern Ireland just join Ireland already? What an idea to split an island...
When will they legalize weed!!!!!!
When we need something to cope
Boris's plan tells you he is working on legalizing weed. He's in the try-out phase.
Stormont - the Northern Ireland Assembly is currently suspended - so how could this deal possibly work? This is Boris trying to be tricky! He's still trying to get his no deal Brexit by the 31st.