Why Brussels Is ‘Lukewarm’ About UK-EU Relations
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While Labour want to improve UK-EU relations, the bloc have been pretty lukewarm on their security pact proposals and instead outlined eight issues they'd like to see resolved before negotiations start. So what are they? And will Starmer address them?
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Quote: "The EU has treated agrifood products from the UK as if they were coming from a third country."
That's exactly what the UK chose to be - a third country to the EU.
And we have Boris "Lier-in-Chief" Johnson to thank you that! 🤢
@@veramentestanco Not only him. The UK had a vote and veto when the structure of the EU and the exclusion of "third countries" from EU benefits were developed. They literally shaped their status.
@@veramentestancono, we have a majoroty vote, made by the people, to thank for it. For right or for wrong, the democratic process won.
That’s exactly what the population of the UK in 2016 chose. Enough Brexit voters have since died for today’s population to have chosen to remain, and that’s not including us young people who were too young to vote then and are generally pro-EU. We did not choose this.
If the regulations are the same or at least close, there should be no strong objections to our trade, especially given the status of Northern Ireland. The EU is trying to stoke ethnic tensions unnecessarily for political point scoring.
Woah no way, a non-EU country being treated like a non-EU country 😮
And of course labour wants to change that with a vet deal
@@gothicgolem2947it's to late the UK left, Europe has zero trust in the UK, I don't think the EU will even want the UK to rejoin they're to unpredictable.
hahaha
Leaving the EU was such an obviously bad choice. I can’t believe the UK really thought it’d be a good choice.
@@gothicgolem2947 There are several deals that can facilitate trade with the EU, but they need to be legally enshrined, and the EU must be convinced it can monitor and enforce them. That's why the EU wants the UK to actually implement the existing deals first, as a confidence-building step.
Food coming from the UK is not treated AS IF it were coming from a third country. IT DOES COME from a third country.
Hi from Belgium. I've seldom seen food imported from the UK other than whisky or gin - if booze can be considered food.
@@jfrancobelge it probably wasn't marked explicitly before
@@jfrancobelge We have had Scottish Cheddar for example...
And thats the problem. First implement the agreements we made and after that we can talk about new ones
I think you mean Third World Country
The UK is being treated like a non EU country. As it should
I agree and should help out Europe with its armed forces if russia comes a knocking.
UK and most EU country are members of NATO so yes, UK must come to help in that scénario.
@@d0b1979Absolutely because military alliance and economic block are two different things.
Also, if EU falls to Russia, guess who’s next?
Nato is a different thing and is not he aren’t uk and usa allies just because we disagree with them
The UK is not a country, my country of Scotland voted to stay in the EU. 80% of Scots do not consider ourselves British. England is responsible for all of this and England alone should recieve the consequences. Brexit has ruined multiple aspects of my life and my country DID NOT VOTE FOR IT.
UK: Can we do some deals?
EU: Hmm how about you first actually do what you signed last time?
UK: Oh what an unexpected demand and setback...
You mean like the countries that didn't do what they signed up to do in the NATO contract. Did the UK, US and others who did fulfil their NATO expenditure commitment just walk away from a common defence? No, they sent their young men to defend countries that failed to fulfil their promise.
@@paulanthony9766NATO is more about allied territories, geopolitical influence and preferential arms exports than anything else just like most mutual defence agreements U.S. has around a world and their military bases in many places. Saying that Trump was (quite rightly) very strongly pushing for that 2% GDP commitment to be adhered to by everyone. And Article 5 has never really been tested. But NATO is about geopolitical influence (we are a family side by side) while EU is a trading block (we are a business) 2 very different things. You don't leave your family but you can refuse a business transaction. British and American arm exports benefit greatly from NATO while others benefit greatly from protection and it is single most important treaty in the world right now and completely different animal altogether. Some little EU treaties with UK have no impact on the world's order and no lives depend on it. There is no comparison.
@@reneagac4739 The EU is much more than a trading bloc, it has many of the features of a nation state. The EU is not a business, it’s a supranational political entity and has to consider much more than just business. The point here is that your simplistic metaphor is nowhere near an illustration of international relations. It’s is in the interest of both parties that the other is successful and the negotiators know this.
Well anyway. EU is correct to insist on previous commitments before making new treaties. We all know previous prime minister was full of s**t and some trust needs to be rebuilt.
@@paulanthony9766What UTTER tosh
Demanding that a country follows up on the contract it signed, the EU's got some nerve!
😂😂 insane indd
No but you see the English are just entitled to do what they want; not fulfil their agreements, and demand new ones. didn't you know that?
@@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín Yes, and in the past the UK could throw its weight around and bully other countries into compliance/ submission. But those days are gone, the UK doesn't carry that much weight anymore, doesn't hold that many cards and doesn't have that much leverage. So now it has to play nice, which is a hard trick to learn when it's not in one's nature.
@@maartenaalsmeer precisely.
UK is a dead country and will no longer exist in my lifetime
Tiocfaidh ár lá 🇮🇪
And at 3:25 this guys says that the EU is treating the UK AS a third country. he doesn't seem to understand that it is a third country, on its own request
The EU have NOT issued a list of demands but a list of shortcomings from the UK where the UK is in breach of and failing to fulfil its contractual obligations from the withdrawel agreement. And, furthermore, the food coming from the UK is coming from a third country - that's what the UK wanted to be and now is.
How dare the EU to respect the wishes of the UK to be a third country and how dare they insisting the UK respects the agreements they signed up for.
It works both ways, there are plenty of examples of the EU not adhering to the TCA, such as not fully adhering to the agreed terms regarding access to UK waters and the allocation of fishing quotas or the recognition of professional qualifications. It's a dishonest organisation.
@@hc1324-m7w that example is not true. The parts of UK waters that are being fished in by the EU - the fishing rights where sold to foreign companies long before Brexit. Most promenantly the fishing right off Scottland having been sold to Norway about 15 years ago. And that is one of the biggest problems about this campaign: mass lying by the British government and perpetrating blatant misinformation!
But apart from that, name three of the examples you claim. And fact is: you can‘t!
@@rtulpewhen has the labour gov said this tho
It also wants fishing access and a mobility deal those are demands not short comings from agreements
@@gothicgolem2947 they don‘t really count yet. After 14 years of Tories, 6 weeks of Labour doesn‘t count yet.
“… the EU has treated agrifood products from the UK as coming from a third country …” (A) The UK *is a third country*, (B) this is *exactly** what the UK voted for.
(C) All of the above
No....England, Wales voted for this bullshit!!!
So basically the EU demands are just asking UK to fulfill the obligations in the oven ready agreement they signed up to, before further expanding the relationship - how demanding and mean spirited..
The youth mobility deal and fishing rights will be the real areas of negotiations. I suspect a caving in on the fishing for a concession on limited youth mobility.
yea what an evil and oppressing empire the EU is...
For the most part yes but not really with the last one. The EU is over-fishing our waters, the electorate will not respond well if he agrees to that. I think the rest of the demands are fair and would be generally beneficial to the UK as well but the last one is quite cheeky considering the UK isn't desperate for better relations with the EU.
They're asking to extend fishing rights and reintroduce mobility and erasmud schemes for young people
@Alexander-yb1zc Youth mobility isn't a plus for the UK, it's something the EU is desperate for. Historically the UK was a sponge for the massive youth unemployment in the southern EU states, after BREXIT that route out of unemployment is gone.
play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
Brexit was truly the world’s first example of a country imposing sanctions on itself.
it's been a long time coming
This comment right here is based.
@@JonasHamillit's you and me 🤷♂️
Only reason Brussels can be said to be 'lukewarm' is because it fears that Labour will be out of government in 4-5 years time and the Tories will be back and the circus of the past 14 years will just repeat itself.
It won't be Labour with the riots and more importantly the response from Labour, it won't be the Tories since they are showing they've learnt nothing from the GE.
So likely someone new.
The UK is essentially politically unstable on a structural level. The lack of a clear written constitution, including things like requiring a super majority for major constitutional changes, and a voting system that allows absolute power on minority polling means extreme flip flopping around the EU is a very real possibility.
Until this changes, I don't see how the EU will trust us.
As if Labour is anymore trustworthy than Farage.
There is another Reason.
Which is that ALL of the EUs Demands are basicly things that the UK was already supposed to do anyways. And Labour while being more Pro EU in their Speeches. Has so far done absolutely nothing to actually even have the UK Fulfill the Existing Deals.
Demands 1 to 6 are all Existing Deals which the UK is Supposed to Honor anyways. But which it still Refuses to do even after Labour has gotten into Power.
And Demand 7 and 8 are Negoations which the EU has Requested for Years now. And which the UK has Refused to Talk about. And is still Refusing to Talk about even under Labour.
From the EU´s perspective. Labour has change dtheir Tune when Talking about the EU. But has in Practice really not done anything different from the Tories so far.
And the EU is not Interested to make any more Deals with the UK if they dont Honor them anyways. Much less will the EU Agree to hold Negotations on what the UK wants while the UK Refuses to Talk about the things the EU wants.
Brexit was the best thing to happen to Europe in 50 years. They're just afraid Britain will come to its senses and want back in the EU.
"as if it were coming from a third country"
After brexit it IS coming from a third country. What did you expect?!?!
Idiot opinion that's not what third country means
They expected that we thought that the uk is exeptional 😂 they forgot that only bri'ish people agree that they are exeptional
@@NLJeffEUthe tories and reform uk think that, the brexit arguments were made almost entirely of lies that fooled a hell of a lot of people, the tories worked very hard to make sure there was never a second referendum for a reason.
I thought the same point, it's what the Brexit people wanted but now they don't like it!! "That's not the Brexit I wanted"!!!!!
Don't you mean third world country?
Stop calling it a "demand" , the EU is not forcing the UK to agree on certain terms, the EU is simply asking that the UK respects and applies the previous commitment that it already agreed to in the first place, before proceeding to anything else, which is a rather sensible and reasonable attitude if you ask me.
They are demands though, that's how geopolitics works, it's also why Brexit is a bad idea it forced us into a position where we are at odds with the EU.
Saying that, I still think that all political institutions should be viewed with an immense degree of skepticism. (I voted remain) The EU is no different, they are demanding the UK does certain things because they believe they can negotiate a better position for themselves through demands, That's human nature sadly.
We were conned Ito a union that had been morphed into a union. The contract is null and void now.
@@BrinJay-s4v What are you on about? I'm not trying to be rude but your message is hard to read.
@@BrinJay-s4v the treaties u signed when u agreed to join the EU in 1973 was pretty clear, "that aims at an ever closer union".
Its not a bad thing that you are out if the UK was just in for the money.
Stay out please, enjoy your sovereignty lol.
No they are demands, especially on mobility for young people and access to British waters.
I don't see why anyone would have a problem with the EU asking the UK to fully implement the deal that the UK signed!
Sorry, but this review was politically very biased. I am disappointed in your research, normally TLDR holds a higher standard then this. The "Demands" are things UK already agreed to in previous contracts. It is just good business practice for the EU to not waste resources on drawing up deals with third countries who do not honor past agreements.
Very biased indeed. And the thumbnail title "Does Europe kinda dislike Britain" is very, very "click bait". Weak vid from TLDR News!
What are you talking about they always protect the Labour party, when the Tories were in charge it was all negative, now Labours in charge the EU are making demands.
You need to be able to spot patterns.
We never agreed to a mobility deal or fishing access beyond 2026
@@gothicgolem2947 great France can get out of our waters then.
@@SaintGerbilUK indeed
I disliked the UK and I’m British.
Love my country. Hate how it’s operated.
Less racist than the EU
Probably a good way to describe it.
Have you done anything to help address it? Voting, perhaps? Campaigning? The trend now seems to be for british people to go and live in another country whilst continuing to moan about the state of the country.
The Uk doesn't need transient citizens who flee at the first sign of hardship. It needs people willing to work their backs to breaking addressing the deep-lying issues.
Everyone these days just moans and complains about this country instead of actually taking proactive measures to help fix it.
Go be a builder. Study to be an economist. Set up your own podcast / youtube channel. Or work In government and change the culture from the inside. So many things people could be but aren't doing. They're just moaning.
100% agree with you: conservatives, labour anything else no matter what this country is run like bus timetable.
Our country runs about as well as Stephen Hawking
After wanting to be a member with all the advantages of being out, the UK wanted to be a non-member with all the advantages of being in. It takes about two neurones to understand how this doesn’t work.
Like the EU countries that didn't meet their commitment to NATO but wanted the US, UK and France to defend them anyway?
@paulanthony9766 Sorry, but this is completely different issue. The 2 per cent goal was always an intention and nor a legal obligation.
@@Hanno300bc Ah, you’re resting on the legality, not the importance of the issue, the honourability or the original topic which was about wanting to be a membership advantages without the responsibilities.
Actually I had to use all my five neurones to figure it out and I am still exhausted...
"How dare you treat us as if we were not in EU after Brexit"
How dare you treat us like we don't have a trade agreement when we do.
More accurately.
😂
@@SaintGerbilUK
An agreement which the U.K is currently not respecting...
Obviously, "more cooperation" cannot happen under such circumstances.
I hope the people of the EU who are being dealt a huge disservice by the incompetencies of UK government will not take out their dissatisfaction on the British people...
@@jacobkenney5646 Nope, just brexeteers.
Thanks UK for the example and reminding everybody why EU is important.
It's falling apart, and all of the countries have worse growth than us.
Why join a failing block?
@@SaintGerbilUK WDYM falling apart lol. EU has never been so one minded when it comes to political and military issues. If anything EU has become way closer after Brexit. Considering we have the perfect example of what happens when a country decides to cut off every other country. Its a disaster on various levels. Your growth is also bigger because your economy went down a couple levels down the pacific ocean. Bound to grow back to how it used to after all.
Honestly as UK is rn we have enough internal issues than to worry about UK issues
@@bonsai4658 so the downsides of Brexit were temporary and we've now recovered and are out performing the EU.
Sounds like Brexit was pretty good.
@@SaintGerbilUK Good for you. Don't bother us with your delusion of thinking you still are part of EU then😅. We don't need you.
@@bonsai4658Only 7% of the UK population care about Brexit.
It's a dead issue.
Only programs like this attempt to keep it alive.
The UK is a third country.
A third world country...😂
I love how the UK political and media classes, after getting their nation to storm out of the EU in the most disruptive way they could possibly manage, now act hurt and confused as to why Brussels is rather ambivalent about any sort of rapprochement.
“The most disruptive way they could”? Do you mean after years of negotiation, the creation of the most comprehensive trade and cooperation agreement the EU has and remaining involved in many EU initiatives? Do you think you may be overstating it slightly?
Looks as if England cannot really get out of the habit of being an empire...
@@paulanthony9766 Are you suggesting that this agreement was made possible by UK being very forthcoming?
@@TroelsNybo1stNo
I can't recall who said it but an EU Member Diplomat said during the Brexit Process:
"When they were part of the EU they wanted opt outs and we gave it to them.
Now that they want out, they want opt ins. And this time were not going to give it to them"
This is seems like Britain not only want to accept the fact that Brexit was an economic disaster, and them not wanting to them acknowledge it.
Also why would the EU give them any good faith when successive UK Governments have destroyed by breaking International Law & International Agreements with them
It was Xavier Bettel, PM of Luxembourg: "The UK wants to have its cake and eat it. Before, they were in and they had many opt-outs; now they want to be out with many opt-ins. We're not on Facebook where there's an 'it's complicated' status."
We didn't use the opt outs when we had them.
We also have more growth than any EU country, so where's the economic disaster?
@@SaintGerbilUK dude stop lying, are you really that dense?
didn't use your opt-outs.
let's see what opt-outs you had (the once i can remember without having to look them all up)
- every member country pays into the EU based on their economies size, but the UK got a discount. so they payed less than their fair share.
- did the UK become part of Schengen? no, and that's part of becoming an EU member, but the UK had an opt-out on that.
- did the UK use the Euro? no, they had an opt-out so didn't have to switch to the €
those are the 3 opt-outs i can remember right now, and all 3 of them the UK used.
try picking up a book instead of a tabloid and learn something
@@SaintGerbilUKThat growth is only on gold trade and service, for the rest it's a disaster.
@@bertoverweel6588 yes a substantial part of the UK economy is services.
That's why it's growing.
The response was "remarkably lukewarm"? "Remarkably"? How about "predictably"? How about "deservedly"? How else do you communicate with secessionists?
okay globalist keep crying, we wanted this thing called "sovereignty" and not for other people to decide or laws and how much immigration we have, in the EU we had 1 vote and most things were not in our best interest we were objectively "oppressed by the majority" the ONLY way you think this is okay is if you are a globalist
Secessionists...and there you have the current EU attitude in one word.
They're still in a bit of a sulk.
The EU is perfectly right to treat the UK as a "third party", that's what we voted for.
But they are not yet treating us as an important trading and strategic partner - "awkward in all things" seems to be the motto.
It will probably take a new Commission for "business as usual" to resume.
@@andyleighton6969can you blame them tho? Should the EU rejoice in this new opportunity when UK can't even fulfill the current agreements?
@@andyleighton6969 Because the UK isn't really an important trading partner for the EU. The British empire is dead and gone the UK on it's own is not important enough that something as large and power as the EU has to make special arrangements for. You have to understand the EU is the UKs largest trading partner, the UK is not the EUs. Around 50% of UKs trade is with the EU, around 6% of EUs trade is with the UK.
Bad start of the video, with claims that the UK is "being treated as a 3rd country" where it is a 3rd country, but above all, mixing up the one demand the EU actually made (to honour the agreement the uk signed up to) with suggestions of the EU where is would be open for discussions once that one demand is being met.
Typical British twisting of facts.
Oh no. The UK is not part of the EU anymore.
A lot of the comments show that the directors of this site are basically pro-brexit, or at least suffering from English exceptionalism. That is probably the answer to the question posed in the title ("Why Bsussels is ...",), because we still suffer from English exceptionalism on a major scale. I did not hear an actual answer to this question in the video itself.
"English exceptionalism". A very accurate term. And a subtle reference to the idea of American exceptionalism, which of course originates in the same mindset.
There is a great British tradition of British prime ministers going to Brussels asking for A Better Deal. Getting a lukewarm response is part of the game, the PM will come back later meanwhile he will not implement the TCA to keep his negotiation power in full.
The UK is like a teenager who demands independence, gets their own apartment, moves out of home but then still expects their parents to cook and do their laundry and then gets upset when they don’t. For the longest time the Conservatives held off installing checks at the border stating that EU regulations were good enough. Except the UK wasn’t in the EU and EU regulations do not apply to exports to third countries. So I can imagine produce which didn’t meet EU regulations, knowing that the UK wasn’t checking, would be exported to the UK.
@@GeoffreyEngelbrecht it doesnt matter how EU border policy actually worked in UK what it matters is that people actually believed in crappy explanation from crappy leadership
@@GeoffreyEngelbrecht A teenager who was paying large amounts of money into the EU for many years.
@@alexswanson7127 And getting most of that money back through EU programs. You also pay taxes to the UK government. Do you imagine if you broke off your property into an independent country so that you didn’t need to pay taxes to the UK government anymore you would be better off financially. No you would need to pay for all the services the UK government provides you from your own pocket. The UK had a huge benefit of synergy regarding trade with the EU when it was part of the EU. Now it is independent it needs to start doing those things the EU did for it and that costs money. A lot more money then when the EU was doing it for the UK and all the rest of the EU. A family of 4 sharing the same house have much less expenses per person than a single person living on their own.
describing a entire nation of people as children is not condescending at all
@@jason8077 Yea Nigel Farage was a hypocrite and a racist.
Hypocrite because the day after the Brexit referendum he applied for German passports, and racist because he used to sing Hitler youth songs in school.
The video shows that the TDLR Team cannot or does not seem to want to see the true situation of the UK.
As commented already before, the UK is a 3rd country and thus all exports to the EU are 3rd country imports for the EU. In addition, in one of the last sentences of the main part of the video where the team seems surprised that the EU is seeing the communication with the UK "still to be transactional". What were they expecting?
Firstly, the UK decided to leave the union in 2016 with a big bang, has made a big deal about its independence, regaining control of its borders ... Secondly, the team seems still to be having the same kind of illusions that were demonstrated by the UK Tory politicians 8 years ago during the treaty negotiations, who seemed to believe, probably still believe, that the UK is 'very special' and deserves a 'very special' deal by everyone, and not just the EU; e.g., the same was expected by the UK from the USA with a 'very special' trade agreement.
I think these expectations and the behavior coming with it in combination with the treaty points after several years still not implemented by the UK make Bruxelles especially cautious when dealing with the UK.
Yep. They're like a member of the tennis club that left the club and then complains the club is treating them as if they are not a member anymore.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I love TLDR, but they are not objective on this matter and it shows.
They have misreported the article from the Financial Times.
Switzerland, a country with a proud history of neutrality, has more respect to the EU.
Swiss diplomats close the doors, british ones alert the media.
Great example.
Not really. Switzerland is benefiting a great deal from the EU without providing much in return.
I grew up on the Swiss border and do love my Swiss neighbours, but another Swiss deal will never be made by the vEU
Even with the Labour in power, the EU still needs to worry about Tories retaking power and imploding everything to prove a point-their reticence should be no surprise-now if the Tories disappeared into a puff of smoke, you just might see the EU warm up to UK again.
While that logic is sound, it's also self-fulfilling. Brexit has been a millstone around Britain's neck, and realignment with the EU would provide the economic boost Labour needs almost without doing anything. So less chance of a Tory return. The more cautious, if not petty, the EU behaves, the greater the chance of a Tory government in 2029.
They need to make an example of the UK in case other member states get any funny ideas
@@getnohappy EU probably: We don't really care...
@@getnohappy _The more cautious, if not petty, the EU behaves, the greater the chance of a Tory government in 2029_ So now it's up to the EU to fix the UK's political problems? And the EU expecting that the UK as a third country follows up on the contract it signed is seen as 'petty'? Delusional. Brexit is a domestic UK problem now. Deal with it.
@@getnohappy You overestimate the relevance of the UK to the EU. The EU is fine with the TCA and a friendly relationship is of course preferred over hostilities. But if the Tories would return to power it wouldn't give the EU some headache. There are other more important things to deal with than the UK and its self-inflicted harms.
Before Brexit, even with a special position, Britishs was complaining and blaming UE for everything. And they kept doing it after
Let's say that nobody is hype to get UK back to Europe
As long as Farage hovers around in UK politics it is better to leave the UK where it is at the moment
@Piden-l4b Given the recent riots. Do you think letting a far right movement have a chance to stage a coup and install an anit euro state is the best idea?
@@Piden-l4bAnd even when he is far gone most certainly his rotten underlings will remain hanging around repeating his talking points to exhaustion, Reform is only a tentacle of many sadly of that guy.
I mean it looks like it has sorta worked out. Out of europes 3 great powers (France, Germany and the UK) the UK has the fastest GDP growth right now. And out of all G7 nations it's only behind the US in terms of growth rate.
The UK also commands the second largest service industry in the world. The EU suffers from not having easy access to that anymore yet those industries are still growing without the EU.
I personally would've preferred if we stayed in the EU but I hate how people are acting like we're somehow finished now that we're not in the EU. We can easily go into agreements with other countries (like Canzuk for example).
We blew what trust there was in the UK out of the water with Brexit, it is going to be a long hard road to claw back any degree of trust or respect in our neighbour's eyes. That is on us, we broke it, we have to fix it.
On the contrary, it was the EU's poor treatment of the UK over many years that drove British voters to reject it. Let's not forget, for example, that the EU has demanded continued jurisdiction over Northern Ireland under what is for all practicalmpurposes the threat of renewed terrorism.
@@alexswanson7127 You only got your claws in Northern Ireland from terrorism and illegal occupation so no one is going to give ye sympathy for it. Try whinging to Argentina about Islas Malvinas again.
@@alexswanson7127Hardly. Fear mongering of far right news outlets.
@@KSzkodaGamesbecause nigel farage and tommy robinson lived in the eu and not in the uk......
@@alexswanson7127 did you mean that Northern Ireland has special rules that allow it to trade with Ireland? last I checked the Irish haven't been terrorizing in 30 years lol
additionally, I fail to see how the EU was nothing but a benefit, considering the UK economy collapsed
It's not that imports from the UK are treated 'as if the UK is a third country'. They are simply treated as coming from a third country.
Also, Brits should stop expecting treatment as if they are honorary members of the EU.
Also, why not put any effort into answering your own question, rather than rehash what Brits need or want?
The UK has made its bed, now lie in.
After Brexit, the UK is lucky the EU is willing to talk to them at all.
Bro thinks politics is like a fight between children.
The UK is europes strongest military and it second largest economy. All of Europes top universities (except for ETH) are in the UK. All of Europes biggest banks are in the UK. Europes financial capital is in the UK.
Europe is lucky the UK hasn't tried to push for canzuk yet.
@@shaaravguha3760 You could also say, the EU is the strongest military force in Europe by far. The EU is the largest (by very far) economy in Europe. The largest bank is in the UK, but numbers 2, 3 and 4 are in the EU. You get two out of five claims.
According to this, the EU was treating UK agricultural products "as if it were coming from a third country." (3:20). Errrm.... it IS coming from a third country. The UK is no member of the EU. So that restriction will stay in place. What the agreement was before Brexit is of course no longer valid. The UK voted for that. So they can stop complaining about what they chose themselves, and in fact insisted upon.
The UK needs to learn to live with the consequences of its own actions.
I watched this video on nebula and had to come here to check the comments. What a weird framing. I know tldr is based in the uk but damn… The EU is not some neglected ex-girlfriend who is thrilled her toxic boyfriend finally wants to get back together. This was always a professional relationship between two entities. The UK is a third country. It gets treated as such. Which after all the dragging of feet (and not following through on commitments as proven in the mentioned requirements) is pretty professional. “Brexit means brexit”. How are you after all these years still surprised that leaving the eu means leaving the eu?!
EU “demands”?? Uhm, that would be asking the UK to respect the agreements it has already signed!! In other words: UK to stop breaking its treaties and international law, please.
Which is a very low bar, yet the UK manages to stumble even on that
"EU expects" is the more proper expression.
Water access and a mobility deal are demands not asking to respect agreements
Also if it was breaking international law they could take us to court
@@gothicgolem2947 I suggest you watch the video again & pay closer attention to what they write, because TLDR does recognise that the EU is about to take the UK to court, yet they only put it in the fine print...
UK: we want to leave EU
EU: alright we will miss you
UK: we have left the EU but we want the cool benefits of being in the EU, without pulling our own weight
EU: uhm, how about we arrange a friendly deal
UK: WAH WAH WAH!!!!!!! WAH!!!!! EU IS BAD STILL! WAH WAH WAH
@@nickfromSRG there’s no benefits of EU membership for the bottom 99%
@@jeffsmith3392 So you are happy. Congratulations. Oh, and please stop bothering us with security deals, SPS, etc. We have other priorities now.
@@Harry-tb8yo If you don't want europes strongest military in a security deal then go ahead lmao. The UK can protect itself, the reason it wants a security deal with the EU is so it has an excuse to protect eastern europe in the case of russian agression. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@shaaravguha3760wtf! You left NATO as well? Must have missed that.. . PESCO is Not about an excuse. Its about coordination. Yes, we should get ready together in case of shit. I Like this move. And Its just one of the strongest Military in Europe.
"Imports from UK treated as if they are coming from a third country..."? They ARE coming from a third country.
It seems that in UK's mind, "third country" always means "not UK", whatever the topic is.
EUrope isn't '‘Lukewarm’ About UK-EU Relations' - it is just that nobody cares!
The UK hardly happens in EU media any longer and as trade (in amount of goods traded) is breaking down, the UK doesn't happen on supermarket shelves as well.
The last time, anything UK was dominant in EU media it was the death of the Queen, but she needed 70 years to build her reputation.
Out means out!
They seem to think that everything in the EU revolves around their haughty island, while in reality the EU moved on years ago and you will be hard pressed to find articles about Brexshit in the press on the continent.
The UK has bitched and whined about Europe for decades, always with the snooty implication that the UK (or let’s face it, England, really) is better. And in typical European fashion they were met mostly with eyerolls and goodwill that was never reciprocated. No wonder the Europeans got tired of it.
UK still predicted to have the second largest GDP, behind Germany, in Europe. So being in the EU is pretty irrelevant.
@@markgt894 Not really. 42% of all UK exports were to the EU, and 48% of all their imports came from the EU. Adding additional barriers and tariffs to that trade is economical sabotage. Its not a death blow, but its definitely not an irrelevant amount for the UK....
@@I_am_somebody_1234 as i said, the UK is and is predicted to be the second largest economy by GDP in Europe.
...markgt...Starting next year, around 320 billion euros of financial services will be brought to the EU, around 70% from Great Britain! Top economists calculate that Great Britain's GDP will be 6-8% less in the next few years. That was before the Great Britain uprising! Apart from that, Great Britain has to compete against the entire EU and according to top economists Great Britain looks like a dwarf!
Great Britain's problems will continue to grow and we will talk in 5 years about how big the DISASTER will look.
Since BREXIT, Great Britain has increased its GDP debt to over 100%. These are values from the 60s and 70s when the oil price shock struck with a massive recession! That was also the reason why Great Britain wanted to join the EU.
Great Britain has suffered a minimum loss of 600 billion GDP since around 2020!
So keep dreaming and it will be a nightmare!
@@w47w ramble ramble ramble! The fact is the UK is currently the second biggest economy by GDP in Europe, and is predicted to remain so.
I don't think it's dislike, more exasperation with UK politics at the EU level
Of course all those checks on the borders are disruptive, but one of the Brexiteers strongest arguments was implementing checks on all their borders, so I guess the moral of this saga is " be careful what you wish for"?
Uk meat are not treated "as if coming from a 3rd country", they "are coming from a 3rd coming". The UK is a 3rd country!
And the Uk does not want that hence wanting a vet deal
@@gothicgolem2947 well if only the UK could have done something (or rather not do something) to avoid being a 3rd country.
maybe something as being a part of the block.
people like you are why the the Brexit lairs won.
exiting the EU means you become a 3rd country and thus we need to check what you try to export to us.
especially if the UK gets desperate enough to make trade deals with countries with sub-par food standards (like the US), otherwise the UK is going to ship that poison right into the EU, and we don't want yoga mat bread, or chicken that is more chlorine than chicken.
@@gothicgolem2947 It is irrelevant what they want. It is the EU that decides if such a deal is possible or not. And right now there are other much more important topics to deal with.
@@Harry-tb8yo its not irrelvant its very relevant its why the Uk is trying to change this. That might be your opinion does not mean its theres they made this whole list and seem to want mobility and fishing rights and if they dont give us negotiations maybe we tell them to get out of our waters at 2026 and no mobility deal.
@@gothicgolem2947 The UK might want many things but if the EU doesn't want to hand them out you won't get them. This is not the age of the British Empire anymore.
The EU obviously did not make "demands", but simply called on GB to execute what it already had agreed to do. Not fulfilling these agreements would certainly demonstrate that the UK is not trustworthy. Hence, further talks would be a waste of time and effort. Given the recent history during and after the Brexit negotiations, I am astonished that anybody would not regard this request as perfectly reasonable.
I am starting to get irritated, the UK wanted Brexit and now want to be involved in so many EU internal matters? Please do understand cherry picking is not an option, you are in or out. And by the way Brexit means Out!
The EU wants a defence and security pact. Vetinary and agrifoods alignment is already pencilled in the TCA but wasn't filled out.
Have you read the exuberant reaction the Germans had published at the prospect of a new and expanded relationship? Thought not. Have a look at what they would like it to cover.
(I have deleted part of my comment after checking what the Financial Times article actually said. Apologies. )
@@johnm2714 You in the UK, must understand there is in or out and not something in the middle. You don’t want the Erasmus scheme, fine stay out!
All the EU agreements are somehow a compromise between the various EU members they need to be accepted as is.
The EU cannot be cherry picking because they can only present you a few packages.
1 Full membership
2 No membership
3 The Norway option, so pay to be in the common market, have no say in all regulations which you are forced to accept.
The UK cannot define a more suitable 4th way. Simply not.
Forget about it and just accept you are out.
@@pieterzuiddam The UK already has a customised deal in the TCA so there is cherry picking. While the UK is either in our out of the EU that does not preclude the two cooperating on mant issues and they do. In fact the UK recently joined the European Political Community, It is a member of Euratom, shares standards with the EU, has the most comprehensive trade agreement with the EU, defends EU borders with it's military, is part of PESCO, coordinates foreign policy with the EU, shares intelligence on crime and terrorism and a whole lot of other stuff. Your vision of either a friend or foe is childish
@@pieterzuiddam "3 The Norway option"
That option is not on the table for the UK. The members of EFTA don't want the UK in their club. O, the Swiss option is also not possible, just saying!
Hmm, could it possibly because we spent the most part of the last decade talking trash about the EU, EU institutions, European culture, tried to distance ourselves from them because we thought we could make better deals, and then came crawling back when we couldn’t? I could see why that would make them lukewarm about us tbh
try last decades. like 50-ish ears talking trash about the EU and its predecessors.
@@popelgruner595true, scapegoating them for all our domestic problems has been a big lose-lose. Pissed them off and still failed to fix anything here
Nobody is 'crawling back', Labour have said they want a better working relationship with the EU, but are not seeking to rejoin. More than anything, the EU are probably being lukewarm because it's the start of a negotiation so they're just being cautious.
@jonphoenixdo labour actually want a better relationship though?
Because they seem to refuse to want to adhere to already existing treaties and obligations it negotiated, agreed, and signed to.
@@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín Where have Labour said they will refuse to adhere to these? Also, it was not Labour who signed these treaties, it was the UK government (when Labour was not in power).
I mean, the Tories consistently made the UK an unreliable post-Brexit partner. Honestly, this is deserved, Keir Starmer has a lot of work to do here.
Leave it to the British government to expect preferential treatment. The UK broke away from the EU. They should not get any sort of special treatment, under any circumstance. They knew what they were doing, and if they didn't, it's their problem. Their politicians, their voters.
The reponsability of the EU is to look after EU citizens.
Or both sides can act like grown ups and work together where they can and where it makes sense to benefit both parties, you know how the EU should've operated in the first place 🤷
Yeah, why would anyone expect our closest military, economic, and political allies to behave in a friendly manner?
That's the world of trade sadly. Trade deals and other deals are always preferential treatment form some random country. Preferential treatment makes sense when you're in the block, not outside of it
@@tecwynjones6532 I am aware of real politics. That being said, even with Brexit, it benefits both the EU and the UK to be nice to each other.
@@AmateurHEROduelistthat's how the eu operates. Y'all chose to leave and now want preferential treatment while not accepting the own agreement you signed. Get your things together before you start accusing the other side 🤦♂️
0:08 "a list of demands"... please dispense with this Anglo-centric worldview: they are not demands; the EU expects treaties signed with third countries to be adhered to by all members. If it wasn't for Dublin the Trade & Cooperation agreement would already be suspended as the UK is still not even carrying out adequate customs checks 4 years on...
Misleading : "EU makes demands...".
The EU reminds UK Gov of its signed commitments...
Mostly fair, but as stated, nearly a quarter of these demands aren't signed agreements, but demands
@@pixhammer and if you don't except these demands then the UK can Isolate itself even further 🙂 shocker the EU doesn't need the UK and it never had in the past as well 🙂 I hope France shuts the Electricity exports to the UK soon as well 😀
@@kevindebont ah, one of your bitter weirdos
When did it agree to youth mobility? Last I heard was Brussels asked UK & UK said no
@@mattjames88 Was actually a Spain gov proposal not the EU as a whole...EU as a whole isnt asking or making demands (AFAIK) but the press coverage is really misleading.
UK wants to have it's cake and eat it.
Very poor presentation. Thoroughly biased in England's favour. TLDR, you failed massively on this offering.
Your comment is overkill.
@RobespierreThePoof Obviously our opinions differ.
I never tought the UK would be so mentally unstable.
LOL - if Starmer expects the EU to "Make BREXIT work", he's in for a bit of a rude awakening 😅
"As if it were coming from a third country"
I get the feeling that Brexit supporters thought the UK could be rid of the responsibilities of being part of the EU while keeping the benefits
" F**k around and find out. Britain certainly did.
The UK left the EU but is surprised that it isn't received with warmth??? It's called a divorce for a reason. If I were the EU, I would look at every overture, even one from a new government, with extreme skepticism. The UK, or at least its governments, supported by some of its people, got what it wanted. Now you have to live with it. Imagine that. It seems that the old adage "be careful what you wish for" is, indeed, apropos.
My grandfather always said „re-heated“ relationships never work
What nonsense - treaties/agreements are revised and new ones created all the time, a rough patch in the past shouldn't get in the way of constructive diplomacy in future.
I wasn’t even of voting age at the time lol.
Looking to leave this hellhole anyway all other possible governments than the current openly want to erase my rights and even this one is cracking down on them hiring anti trans loons to do reports into us while blocking our voices from actually taking part in these studies and cherry picking data when it suits them, if the tories get in im fleeing to canada fuck this shithole.
Just look at the BMA statement on the cass review and then what labor are saying. Our country is anti science and anti facts, pro bigotry.
The writing is on the wall, the time in this country is limited for any minority group that doesn’t want to deal with literal race riots and rampant violence/ hate. This is not a good fit with the eu, who still have standards of human rights in force, for now at least. Britain has moved so far from European ideals in recent times a rejoining doesn’t even seem likely. It’s all shit and it’s all fucked.
Hopefully the UK will never ask again to join the EU. In case we should refuse immediately.
@@jonphoenix
honestly , that depends on the size of the "rough patch".
By now the UK has run up quite a tab of bad karma and the constant waryness of Labours Dr.Jekyll UK turning back to Mr.Hyde at the next GE
is simply a bit too much to waste any EU effort on it.
The EU already has been way to lenient with the UKs ignoring and breaking of treaties.
The answer is probably because for hundreds of years, huge portions of the British (especially English) act like the English Channel is 1000km wide in the sense that they're NOT part of Europe. It's a cultural quirk that worked well in the 18th and 19th centuries but the world is too small for that now.
We should have never left
Better to be comfortable under the boot?
The greatest disaster of the last 70 odd years
@@HeliumFreak the "boot" which we were wearing? The "boot" that brought us huge benefits?
Brexit means brexit
Yeah but we did, and statements like that are not helpful.
UK are the biggest promotor of EU, they set example on what happen after you leave EU..
After years of UK-chery-picking as member of EU and than the torture of the Brexit-Circus the UK really has a nerve to propose a new deal. Fulfill your obligations from your last 'oven-ready' deal. Save your breath until you've 'got Brexit done'.
The UK wants to be treated like a member-state without actually being a member-state. That's a bloody joke!
No that’s not what the U.K. wants. It wants agreements with other countries and the EU that are mutually beneficial. Both the EU and U.K. have such agreements with other countries. This is business as usual. The U.K. participates in EU initiatives already and will continue to do so.
The EU is just tired of the UK, and has no interest in giving the UK any leeway or preferential treatment.
Can’t blame them.
If that’s true then why have the EU expressed a willingness to negotiate on a range of matters?
@@jonphoenix because many of the arrangements expire in 2026. They also want this youth mobility scheme allowing young people to get visas on a much less onerous terms. I don't understand what is so dislikeable about it for Englanders
If we're such a shockingly racist country, with a useless (hence Brexit) education system and a (now) dire and diving economy, why would any of the EU youth want to come here? We're irrelevant, bigoted and disdainful. The people on this thread are hardly selling the concept of a youth mobility scheme. 😅
And yet the EU does give the U.K. preferential treatment.
For the last 14 years the EU has been dealing with an untrustworthy if not outright hostile UK government under the Tory's. It is understandable that they would want the UK to start complying with existing agreements before negotiating further ones considering what has happened over the last few years.
Imagine your the woman you married left you and made your life complicated and a mess, you finally recovered and got yourself on track and then when she noticed that life was not going well for her... she comes back and starts asking you to get back together and for favours which require you to make more changes. 😂 yeah, thats right, no freaking way😂😂😂
The UK is like an old man behaving like a spoilt teen. You wanted your freedom and now you want the EU to like you after your realized breaking away from the EU was a massive mistake
Welcome to the Brexit, sir.
Poor use of English
@@jasonhaven7170 It's a quote.
Stiff upper lip
How can the EU make new agreements with a country that doesn't even up hold brexit agreements? First implement your beloved border checks so you guys can "take back control" after that we can mabye talk about new agreements.
Seems Labour is no more competent than the Blue Labour party before.
@@SaintGerbilUK lmao, you must be a brexiteer... you expect labour to fix 14 years of tory miss management in 1 month? 😂😂
@@SaintGerbilUK lmao, you must be a brexiteer... you expect labour to fix 14 years of tory miss management in 1 month? 😂😂
@@NLJeffEU they're not heading in the right direction, I'm not expecting it to be solved but I wasn't expecting things to be worse.
I don't remember country wide riots under the Tories?
@@SaintGerbilUK corona riots?
Brittain was openly encouraging other countries to leave the EU. What you expect now ??
"we" agreed a( oven ready) deal. We need to honour that deal. Only then can we begin to move forward
3:23 what you mean: "The EU has treated Great Britain [...] as if it were coming from a 3rd country"?
Wake up! It IS a Third County! That is what Brexit means! Is that so hard to grasp? You voted for it, your government implemented it this way, you now ARE a third country.
Brexit means Brexit, right?
As much as things have and are going to get better with UK-EU relations, as a European, it feels like Britain is trying to have the cake while eating it. Pussyfooting will get you a visit to the vet
No, but we already explained many times that the EU is not a cherry picking system. You cannot only have the benefits without contributing. Its like a club. If you don’t want to pay the membership fees you also cannot use the facilities. And you certainly do not get to determine club rules. All new members are welcome. All will benefit…. But you also got to pay the price for that. 🇪🇺
5:00 6.-8. are maybe new, 1.-5. are all UK duties that they agreed to but never lived up to. The UK should be ashamed of themselves.
6:12 And I still love the way they spin it: 'stick to obligations'. No! 'Sticking to UK commitments' And when 'a lot of difficult decisions' have to be considered, they show the EU parliament, not the UK parliament. LoL
These ""Demands"" are just to uphold previous agreements
You may need to watch again. 😂
@@johnm2714watching the same thing over and over doesn't change the fact that this channel misrepresented what the EU said.
Now that's more constructive. What do you think has been misrepresented?
@@johnm2714 I don't "think" this channel has misrepresented, I know they have.
The EU has made but one demand, for the UK to finally uphold their signature under WA and TCA and comply with international law.
Fishing is contractually up for negotiation, as it is with other nations.
Priti Patel advocated starving ireland for a better deal with the EU. She wasn't immediately stood down and there was no outrage from the UK public or press. Says it all.
Most didn't even know
Funny that. Cause EU can starve the UK while providing all the necessary food to Ireland. 😊
@@Lando-kx6so
Doesn't change the fact that those were your elected officials.
Old habits die hard. Not like they have a history of that.... Oh wait.
It was a shocking comment particularly from someone of an immigrant background herself. I don't know if being a Tory is an adequate explanation, but it's all I can offer.
How many times should Brussels court a runaway bride, who also demands to be in charge, has lots of debt and deep social problems…?
"Why doesn't my ex want to hang out anymore??"
The UK's standing on the european and global stages have diminished since brexit. It led to an economic downturn, political instability and reduced lucrativeness of the UK as an educational and investment destination.
They endlessly demanded special treatment while in the EU and now they're doing the same. It's tiresome. Go away.
UK decided to go from member of the EU to third country. EU is OK with that.
Now, EU has its rules and if UK wants acces, please follow the rules.
UK decided to ditch the rules and go for less quality in order to reduce the cost and increase teh profit for the riches (Jonhson and Fartage sold it in different terms, that is what it really was).
Now UK is interested in gaining something on security side of the things ad getting its share of the european money in defence, without participating and making no concession. At that point, UK should stop believing in british exceptionalism. you get nothing for free, nowadays.
3:30 you ARE a third country. Because you left.
This video is of poor quality. EU demands? It is on the grey zone to be considered British propoganda.
The last two items are not connected with the entirely fair expectation that we should meet our obligations under the TCA. To that extent, the final items are new, are preconditions and are effectively demands.
@@johnm2714no, this channel and UK media present them as demands, whereas the EU has signaled them as future points for co-operation once the UK finally starts abiding by previous agreements and international law.
keep the UK out of the EU
Permanently!
Wrong question and approach.
Brittain had always had a very distant and "I am better than you" attitude towards Europe.
Europe simply is treating Britain in a similar way in response (though arguably more respectful).
*As if it's coming from a third Country*
You still don't get it, do you TLDR ??
You ARE a third country, now...
This was called Brexit 😂😂😂
The "demand" to actually adhere to the contracts you negotiated and signed.Those monsters!!!
The UK gave up its special “opt-outs”, but there are no “opt-ins” this time… the EU has learned from the past.
But there are opt-ins. The UK still participates in many EU initiatives and the EU are asking them to participate in more.
@@paulanthony9766 Ok, if you pay and follow EU rules… but do not have a say in them.
@@PrinceWalacra The UK have a say - they can say that they are in or out of any initiative that they can negotiate. It's EU countries that have no say; they take the whole package, like it or not.
@@paulanthony9766 You’re still dellusionated, the UK is out of the decision making and the EU doesn’t mind at all.
@@PrinceWalacraI’m under no illusion let alone delusional (the word you were looking for). The U.K. makes no decisions for the EU but can make a decision to work with the EU on certain issues.
Note for the UK fish: "due to the raw sewage waters around the UK, the EU countries do not want to buy fish caught from those waters".😢.
The UK has always been a pain in the behind when they were part of the EU, always wanting special treatment on _anything,_ so the EU's weariness should come as no surprise.
Exactly the opposite, the UK was always being bullied into agreeing things that it didn't want to.
@@alexswanson7127
You mean, being "forced" into keeping agreements they signed up for.
@@unduloidAnd getting tons of consessions and exemptions in its favor .
@@alexswanson7127 Well then an ongoing 3rd country status should be wonderful for the UK. Remember there is WTO's "most favoured nation" rule the EU has to abide by.
@@unduloid the UK signed up for trade not to create a united states of Europe that the EU is trying to become
TLDR, as you can tell from the many comments about 3rd country status I suggest you check your bias and improve your journalistic standards
why should the EU have lower quality standards for British products, than for EU ones ?
Before the BREXIT, UK agrifood products were produced by a member of the EU, that was supposed to implement all EU regulations. Following BREXIT, UK is now a third country that can freely change its agrifood regulations anytime. These goods cannot be considered EU-regulations compliant anymore. It makes sense they now require more checks at the border. And do I need to remind you that the mad cow crisis during the 90's began in the UK, because cattle there was fed with meat and bones from animal cadavers ? Some present-days EU agrifood regulations were triggered by this crisis.
But the British are a third country because they left the EU - out of their own free will. They also wanted to be a third country in order to be free of the rules the EU has had themselves. Rules that the UK helped establish in the first place, but worker rights and environment rules are inconvenient to many tories, just as spending money on agriculture subsidies and social or cultural projects...
They are not demands they are all part of the original brexit terms that Boris signed up too, calling them "demands" implies they are new
erasmus and fishing, are not, once again.
It's like UK needs EU more than we need them.
Brussels has ALWAYS been lukewarm about the UK ever since the UK 'deigned' to join the Common Market but reserved a unilateral veto for itself over a ton of areas. "I'll hang out at your clubhouse and enjoy the benefits, but that doesn't mean I'm a member or the rules apply to me" is how the UK's acted since the 1980s. But now, the EU's changed the locks after the UK stormed away in a huffy and sees no reason to continue with the charade.
What 'unilateral veto' did the UK reserve? Until the advent of QMV all members had a veto over everything. I think you're confused.
@@woodysmith2681 What happened for de ades was that the Europeans made agreements and then whined continually aboutq the British expecting them to be kept. Nobody forced you to make concessions to the British. You did it because ou wanted changes that the British didn't. You ought to be grateful that the British were willing to show flexibility.
@@alexswanson7127The sheer ego of the English shining through with a comment, the EU has really dealt with a lot regarding you guys, may the Scottish, the Welsh, the Irish and the Cornish find their way out from your misery of a kingdom.
@@quiquemarquez3211 💯💯💯💯