If the British are serious about their sovereignty in these "territories", why don't they make them actual de jure parts of the UK, with MPs in the Commons?
Because they are protectorates if the people of gibralter said feck off Britain we would. Where as the Spainish and EU dont give a feck what the Gibraltans want. So much for freedom.
They more of a yesnt. Also they are miles away so most people in mainland britain don't care so they just govern themselves. And also be a military base.
TLDR: Spain and the EU aren't imposing anything, Spanish and EU officials tried everything to get a good deal for Gibraltar citizens and right wing UK officials decided that their pride couldn't accept that.
And where have you been given that information? As someone who was born and lives in Gibraltar with a British passport, at no point have Spanish officials tried to get any kind of good deal for Gibraltarians... actually the complete opposite how about you come over and see how hard it is for British citizens whenever Spanish police/officials are involved.
Spain resents the UK for using Gibraltar to repair nuclear submarines as they see it as an unjust use of Gibraltar with massive consequences for Spain not England if it goes wrong
If Gibraltar is part of UK, and UK is removed from the EU, then why the surprised Pikachu face when there is a border between the EU and Gibraltar? This is what Brexit wanted.
Because the people of Gibraltar didn't want it. They voted 96% remain. Their needs air more important than brexiteers in England who have never even visited Gibraltar.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191yet at the same time, the polls suggest that the Gibraltarians wish to remain British rather than be handed back to Spain. They can't have it both ways.
@@Chongo196 nonsense. There is no reason they can't have Spanish immigration officers at the airport while still remaining British in ever other aspect of their government, as stated in the video.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191you mean having Spanish official on UK soil? Sounds nice, until the first disagreement happens and the Spanish officials can’t do their job because they are "guests" and have no actual jurisdiction.
@johnny71cyes, its doing a fine job. What exactly has the EU done that is objectively bad? Also, which brach of the EU has done that? Why didnt anyone veto it of they thought it was bad?
@@joelimbergamo639 Importing the 3rd world! I dont know which branch was responsible for that. I believe deals were made at a higher level (the UN) to import the 3rd world. Why are so many EU nations now embracing the Right wing? because the Right wing OPPOSES replacing the white population with the 3rd world populations!
It was probably just a few temporary residents that were registered to vote there but heading back to Essex when the police stopped looking for them or whatever.
England does not want Gibraltar to align on TAX with Spain, because the main income source in Gibraltar is TAX DUMPING ?? and Spain is not going to tolerate that, now that they have the upper hand ... How can a small enclave with NO resources can have such a high GDP ?? Money laundry ?? TAX EVASION ?? and most of those Tax evaders live around Marbella ( SPAIN ) but are Gibraltar Tax residents ??!! AWFULL !!
@@zorrozorro9681 Loads of Gibbo's were living in Spain and claiming gibraltar residency. So they paid no taxes to Spain although they were permanent residents, in Spain! AND because they were living in Spain, they paid no taxes in Gibraltar either. Also, people in Gib, were financing and promoting smuggling operations, and shipping and selling booze, tobacco and other high taxed products to crooks in Spain. There was virtually NO tax in Gib. 2,5p in the pound, when UK people were paying seven times that amount. Gib was also heavily subsidised by the UK taxpayer. It was as much a tax haven then as it is now. .
I grew up and lived in Algeciras for over 17 years, just on the opposite side of the bay from Gibraltar. To all those sitting from UK, mainland Spain or elsewhere in Europe saying that El Campo or Spain needs Gibraltar to keep those jobs, I am sorry, but you are wrong. Some background before. When Spain joined the EU in 1986 and the UK forced to open the border between Spain and Gibraltar, GDP per capita between Spain and Gibraltar was somewhat comparable. It was only from the point that Gibraltar had the best from both worlds, access to the largest single global market AND being a tax heaven that it’s GDP per capita skyrocketed to be in the top 5 worldwide. This would have not been possible without being part of the EU and Spain allowing Gibraltar to provide goods and services through its territory. What was the cost of that for the surrounding area? impoverishment. Which company would settle in El Campo, if they could do it in Gibraltar paying a fraction of corporate tax? What about income tax? Regarding smuggling, can you imagine the hundred of tons of smuggled tax free tobacco and other products from Gibraltar to Spain which directly impacted on the development of El Campo? Not a SINGLE wealthy Gibraltarian (or better said, “llanito”) lives in Gibraltar. They all live in luxury areas nearby, such as La Alcaidesa or Sotogrande, making the best out of Spanish public services and overall quality of life. What they do keep in Gibraltar however are their bank accounts. Gibraltar is a virus for the region, which has been taking advantage of it, I have seen it with my own eyes over the years. It is an unhealthy relationship and Spain and the EU allowed this to happen. I sincerely hope there is no deal and there is a hard border. So Gibraltarians have to choose to belong to the EU through co-sovereignty or keep their tax heaven living like an island. As I am not nationalistic, I sincerely hope the latter.
So youre complaining about wealthy gibraltarians feeding money into your country by buying nice houses etc? You know they then have to pay taxes for those public services? In the form of IBI, Electric Bills, Water bills etc. 15,000 people cross a day and gain employment in Gibraltar. Thats 15,000 not claiming from Paro or getting involved in drug trarricking. Ask yourself why companies dont want to open up in El Campo. Its not the tax. Its Spanish beurocracy. Trust me i worked with a number of gaming companies in Gibraltar that were very interested in opening up call centres and stuff in Spain especially as the cost of real estate and offices are increidbly expensive in Gib. But were instantly shot down by beurocracy. So instead of blaming the neighbours forSpains sorry state of affairs, perhaps look inwards.
@@cleanerben9636 Gibraltar is not a tax haven. I pay social security and tax on my wages there, and corporation tax is payed there as well. It may have been 20 years ago but is far from one now.
I live in Gibraltar, so here's my TL;DR - HM Govt of Gibraltar released a technical notice earlier this week stating that the EU's version of ETIAS will likely be coming into effect in November which also means that those with red ID cards (permanent residents) would also have their biometric info taken. There's been some panic, but mostly carrying on as normal. When the govts of Spain (EU), UK and Gibraltar keep saying that they're within touching distance of a deal, it's bollocks. We've been hearing that for the last 2 years. We're getting fed up and want them to announce whether we're getting a deal or not. It's just more of the same uncertainty that we've become accustomed to.
@@mikel9138 1967 and 2002 referendums show that people don't want to go down that road. Read up on Gibraltar's treatment by Spain during the Franco years and you'll understand.
The politicians trying to decide for them against the declared will of 96% of the actual population of the place is insane. They don't care about the people at all.
@@triumphanttrump1467 The population of Spain is 1300 times that of Gibraltar but Spain needs Gibraltar more. Just close the border. There's no point negotiating with these people
@@triumphanttrump1467That’s the best way to demonstrate arrogance and exceptionalism. Spain doesn’t need Gibraltar, the tax heavens surely gives work to a few thousands, but I can assure you the Brits get way more money from all the ilegal gambling and tax evasion.
The British subsidy to NI is equal to the RoI's entire education budget. Getting rid of the poorest part of the country riven with inter-communal conflict seems like an absolute win. Gib would probably be Spanish already if they weren't fascist until 1975 and then aggressively petty ever since.
Irish nationalists in NI don’t support the existence of NI so it didn’t make a difference. Infact we were told 5 years there’d be a United Ireland and an Independent Scotland… it’s been 8 years since the referendum and none of that happened and doesn’t look like it will be happening lmao.
@@clivejungle6999 Imagine, the Irish are educating their population, one of the top three in the World, with the same budget that the British are subventing the lazy, unemployed, lard arsed Northern Irish.
This is the reason uk voted Out . Eu have wheels like a steam roller. It’s not a membership it’s All Eu Rules .That are damaging to lots that follow them .
@@Farweaselthis is what happens when you listen to lies and leave EU. Where are the billions of pounds every year that were supposed to go to NHS, in turn they took out billions every year from NHS.
This is an example where rigid philosophy overrides common sense. Very few UK citizens live in Gibralter and the Tory government were very aware that 96% voted to stay in the EU so they weren't inclined to do them any favours. This rigid Brexit stance has made things extremely difficult for Britains living in Gibraltar, in actual fact having Gibralter as part of Shengen is not going to make much difference except for those with hardline Brexit principle, who are unlikely to ever visit Gibralter anyway! It is an example of a British enclaves needs being ignored because of philosophocal rhetoric!
Not to mention that some territories that you think are british, aren't. In example: the Airport was built on Spanish land, where Spain allowed Britain to build a temporary hospital, during two pandemics at Gibraltar. As usual, the UK never abandoned these lands. Great neighbors. The Treaty of Utrech states, very clearly, that Gibraltar has no rights on the sea. Guess what? they are builind the second urban expansion on lands gained to the sea. Not no mention that about an 30% of British-Gibraltar citizens live in Spain, without paying taxes in Spain. Not strange, as Gibraltar is a Tax Heaven (as usual for Britain overseas territories) where lot of Spanish business/citizens hide their (maybe not honest) money. I think we should close the border at least for 10 year. Later, we will see.
The airport was built on the southern half of what was then the neutral ground. The north half of the neutral ground is now used by Spain. And the border is in the middle. So all that happened is both sides started making use of the land on their side of the border when there was no longer a need for a neutral ground. The border was not moved.
"I think we should close the border at least for 10 year. Later, we will see.". That was the tactic of General Franco, the fascist dictator. He closed the border, and it was closed for 13 years. It achieved the opposite of what he wanted. It says a lot about you that you think like him.
@@harrr53 Borders are borders, and were stablished in 1713. That "neutral" land is Spanish, and Britain has no rights on it. So simple. I wonder how British like to disguise reality.
@@daikucoffee5316 the people voted over 99% to remain part of the UK stop crying about it and move on you focus so heavily on a rock when your country is in shambles good way to take the focus of the real problems in Spain, sadly, a rock has been top priority to Spain for over a 100 years.
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It will never leave the news. It is analogous to cutting of your own leg, the lack of a leg is going to define the rest of your life 😒
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state. We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission. With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels. When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left. If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit. It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc.
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Yes it was democracy, but obviously a small echo chamber of the losing side have lost all self respect since and regularly engage in mental gymnastics to sustain their denial. It's called cognitive dissonance, google it. Remoaners have become a cult really, they are a small minority in an echo chamber. But just to recap - for over a decade the overwhelming UK electorate continually put Farage in the EU to get us out. Cameron then won a majority on the basis of giving us a referendum. The referendum was won by leave, then we had two more general elections with Brexit as the topic and again leave won both of those elections. The cognitive dissonance being maintained by bitter remoaners is comical to see, much of the time it appears to be from teenagers who don't understand the two decades which lead up to brexit, which explains why youngsters were so easily taken in by Cameron's campaign to remain, and with no first hand knowledge of what the EU was doing to our country.
@@SaintGerbilUK Remoaners are actually more aligned on most issues to Donald Trump's MAGA crowd. They too don't care about democracy when they lose and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to deal with their cognitive dissonance and try to remain in contact with reality.
@@rockerjim8045 Cameron made the mess. Farage provided the fuel, Cameron lit the fucking fire by actually having the vote and then adhering to it, even though it was so close.
@@patta8388 The vote was always a scam. It was designed to lump soft brexit with hard brexit which makes no sense because soft brexit is not in any way compatible with hard brexit. 70% of the country was against hard brexit. The vote allowed the 30% that wanted a hard brexit to set up a brexit where running out the clock by disrupting any deal resulted in an automatic hard brexit.
UK out of EU because of migration but still have migration problem, what a mess when Farage used sentiment and emotion to made UK poor. racism can bite you back.
As a Spaniard I hope the hard border its imposed. Even better the fence is closed (as per treaty of Utrech). That fence was only opened as a condition of the UK for Spain to Join the back then called Common Market. No need to oblige any longer
@@Heneling I'm tired to explaining the same to imperialist ignorants. Spain doesn't have overseas territories. Ceuta and Melilla have MP's in the Madrid parliament because they are full Spanish cities.They are across the water from the mainland as the isle of Jersey is across the water from your mainland. Furthermore Ceuta and Melilla aren't fiscal paradises or Naval bases. As I said bring on the hard border.
@@Henelingwhich has exactly what to do with Gibraltar? Your weak argument, often used by the brits, shows you have no proper argumentation to make, and are simply clutching at the last remnants of empire to keep feeling important.
@@Makiv-hj5xh Ceuta was literally conquered in 1415 by the Portuguese from the Arabs, if Spanish schooling is this bad I am not really that surprised that you can't put together a coherent argument. Return Ceuta to Arabic control and then we will talk. This video is just flooded by thousands of crying Spaniards, makes me laugh.
So why were British councils saying they had no say over certain local issues that fell under EU jurisdiction? We arent going to rehash this again, are we?
Solution: Gibraltar joins Spain, N.-Ireland joins Ireland, the independent Scotland joins the EU, and England learns how to be a normal country and not an empire.
Pride and arrogance are bad advisors. We Spaniards know from our own history that those who want everything often end up with nothing. I don't understand why Gibraltar's entire problem in maintaining its current privileged status is that it doesn't want the presence of Spanish customs officers in its port and airport. The European Union cannot allow access to its territory for people and goods to be left to the British authorities. Gibraltar's great asset is that it is located in the poorest area of Spain and that 10,000 people there live directly or indirectly from the Rock's economy, but time is running against Gibraltar, because if an agreement is not reached before the new legislation on access to the EU, ETIAS and ESS, comes into force, the passage from Gibraltar to Spain will be much more complicated.
The Gibraltar airport is built on Spanish soil. It was allowed to be operated from the rock to make their live easier. So performing checks at the airport is fairly legal and makes sense.
Correction; former Spanish soil. Anyway, whatever compromise is agreed over border issues, Spain can forget any ambitions they have to regain sovereignty over Gibraltar. The principle of self determination is supreme and Gibraltarians would never agree to a change of sovereignty over the Rock. For many, Franco and his regime is still a living memory and, for those, for whom it is not, there are the history books.
@@anonnemo2504 Sure, let s enforce the Treaty of Utrecht which does not define the extent of the ‘Port’ that was ceded, nor the extent of Gibraltar’s maritime jurisdiction.
@@marianico69 Things have moved on a little since 1713 and all arrangements between UK and Gibraltar governments and Spain are in accordance with CURRENT international law. Also, all territories, unless landlocked, have territorial waters. The clue is in the name.
@@marianico69 Sorry, old chap. Because the principle of self determination is supreme, that would require the permission of the people who live there and that is never going to happen.
@@philrothwell6858 Poland isn't. Denmark isn't. Sweden isn't. Romania isn't. Czechia isn't. Hungary isn't. Bulgaria isn't. What other reasons are there?
"Gibraltar was taken and retained when we were not at war with Spain, and it was retained contrary to every law of morality and honour. " John Bright 1869
You can find plenty of injustice in the history of every single frontier. If you applied the same standard to every border, you'd find yourself re-drawing the entire map of the world, and end up with more conflict than we have now.
Boris actually did give the NHS the £350mil, it's just you don't notice because it's a drop in the bucket. NHS is a broken system and that's why no other country in the world runs their healthcare like that.
Spaniard here. We aren't imposing anything UK (as a whole) wanted to leave and they are enjoying the consequences of their own actions. They are welcome to apply for rejoining the union but they have to realize that Spain and Poland and... Will have their word in this process and they will have to accept the Euro, no passports,... UK is so used to privilege that equal treatment feels like opression to them. They see themselves like Expats in Spain but they fail to realize that they are just forgeiners. In Spain we have Spaniard, Eu citizens* and the rest. *Eu agreements with Switzerland, Norway,... Apply. Don't put on Spain or the EU the Blame of Brexit. We have our own problems to deal with.
Ha - this is exactly why the EU will not survive long term - every country needs to approve everything. Now with regard to the British - look at our awful treatment in Mallorca and other Spanish islands - the Spanish don;t want us. That is, until - 40% if their income disappears when we go elsewhere.
Britain NEVER accepted the EU rules of free travel throughout Europe. It always harassed people with passport and custom checks. It has abused the Utrecht agreement totally. It no longer has any Mediterranean Interests to protect, which was the original reason for the Utrecht agreement. So Gibraltar should be returned to total Spanish control. Then the border can be removed, and free travel within the EU rules returned. [and good riddance!] .
I don't get why Brexit supporters claim the EU is doing stuff like that to punish the UK. They wanted to take controll of their borders back. A controlled border is exactly this. A closed border! With controlls! This is just the same as Ireland and Northern Ireland they will just have to accept that a border needs to be somewhere and that a border means checks, paperwork and so forth.
Also, the EU will take the side of their member states. So they will side with Spain in a dispute about Gibraltar. In the past it would have to be neutral.
Gibraltar isn't part of the UK. The last time we asked them if they wanted to stay a British overseas territory they voted 98% in favour of our protection from the likes of Spain. Spain and their armada tried and failed to invade the UK, as did 1930's Germany. Gibraltar has been a British overseas territory for hundreds of years. So, we continue to protect Gibraltar as all countries protect their overseas territories. Spain, for example has multiple overseas territories including northern Africa, various islands, etc, mostly gained from it's colonial days. Any country who tries to invade Gibraltar will trigger an immediate military response, see the Falkland islands war.
Sickening. Block the UK and Gibraltar until they figure out their own domestic bullsh*t and come to the negotiating table with good faith. Stop wasting EU’s time.
When you say, "Stop wasting EU's time", are you referring to other corrupt EU politicians like Eva Kaili that are too busy filling their pockets with money? Then I agree, Viktor Orban must be given more time.
@@marcovanwijnen6840 No, we were talking about those hypocrites who defended Brexit and placed their companies in the EU, those who defended Brexit and asked for dual citizenship, those who transferred their company headquarters to Northern Ireland and those who immigrated to the UK and who, after acquiring the right of residence, no longer want immigrants.
It’s amazing what an enormous mess was made for no reason and zero gain, and then those same people keep getting in the way of finding solutions as well.
Zero gain? You know how much money was made and continues to be made by the "correct" people? Farage is laughing his ass off, and even comes back to repeat his performance. Gotta love the shamelessnes.
@@quillo2747 Before the referendum, I used to say that the choice was not between Brussels and London, but between Brussels and Beijing. When Xi Jinping came to Britain, and he was received as royalty, that assertion became a fact. Good luck asserting yourself against China as a nation of 67 million people, instead of a bloc of over 500 million people (the UK included).
@@stephenpickering8063 You have it backwards mate. But besides that, the bigger market dictates the rules so if the UK wants to deal with the EU(you know, its main market) then the Uk will have to follow the EU's rules, enough of your British exceptionalism.
@@lordkfc1297 Not at all. I have it fully accurate in terms of the EU's notorious double standards. Yes a big state can bully another to a degree to get biased terms of trade but that on;y goes so far before they get told to p*ss off. There is a wide world out that and if one great power is being an asshole then the incentive is there to look elsewhere. It will take a government with some actual guts and interest in the needs of the people but until that occurs things won't get better on a broader range of matters. I still have some hopes that Starmar could be the breakthrough point but have to see how things goes.
I am not European, that may be why I fail to understand why the UK holds on to Gibraltar (Djebel-al-Tariq) which is in Spanish territory? This the 21 Century: the idea of conquests and settlements is way out of line. BTW, The Falklands, thousands of miles away from London. Why aren't they independent? Or Diego Garcia?
Hold your horses. Don;t be that sure of the result. They just want themselves what's in their best interest and this def is to remain in the UK and just make the most of what Spain has to offer with minimum price. They are British, not stupid.
Sure. As usual. And ol' Nigel is still waffling and nagging because the 'undemocratic EU' isn't giving the oh so souvereign Brits what they demand. How dare they! 😅
@@frankyboy1131 no one is demanding anything, but it would be considerate of the corrupt Brussels elite to figure out an arrangement that helps EU citizens who rely on the UK for work and income.
Gibraltar is a colony. Since the 1960s, it has been on the United Nations list of "Non-Self-Governing Territories awaiting decolonisation". This colonial vestige is incompatible with resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960 on decolonisation. The United Nations has pointed out that, in the decolonisation process of Gibraltar, the applicable principle is not that of self-determination of peoples but rather that of restitution of Spanish territorial integrity. Spain has repeatedly asked the United Kingdom to enter into negotiations, in compliance with the provisions of the United Nations since 1965, to reach a definitive solution to this dispute. Gibraltar was ceded to the United Kingdom by the Treaty of Utrecht. However, only "the city and castle of Gibraltar together with its port, defences and fortresses belonging to it" were ceded. The isthmus, like the adjacent waters or the overlying airspace, was not ceded by Spain and has always remained under Spanish sovereignty. The continued de facto occupation by the British does not meet the requirements of international law for the acquisition of sovereignty. That is why Spain has always stressed that the occupation of the isthmus is illegal and contrary to international law and, therefore, has always demanded its unconditional return. Spain does not recognise the occupation of the isthmus or the fence as a border.
@@ALBERTOVEIRARAMOS O nos lo devolveis mataos exclavizantes o os lo arrevatamos con boicot,igual que haceis, paguen alquiler por la base si la quieren como los demás.
@@patrickchan2503 Well, everyone should have a beef with those greedy bastards. But it doesn't matter anymore. Just grab a nice bucket of popcorn and watch the spectacle as they crumble down more and more day by day. From the eggs on Fromage's head, to the boats landing right on the coasts of South England, to the perisstence of Scotalnd/Wales to show their own flag, to the Paki mayor, to London's going from fish and chips to curry and halal meat full-on, to the riots against immigrants, to the interviews of relieved people moving to other countries in sheer relief. It's all about the fun now, isn't it?
The answer to Gibraltars problems, is for it to be returned to Spain, as per the treaty of Utrecht. _''Gibraltar was ceded to the United Kingdom by the Treaty of Utrecht. However, only "the city and castle of Gibraltar together with its port, defences and fortresses belonging to it" were ceded. The isthmus, like the adjacent waters or the overlying airspace, was not ceded by Spain and has always remained under Spanish sovereignty. The continued de facto occupation by the British does not meet the requirements of international law for the acquisition of sovereignty. That is why Spain has always stressed that the occupation of the isthmus is illegal and contrary to international law and, therefore, has always demanded its unconditional return. Spain does not recognise the occupation of the isthmus or the fence as a border.''_ The term _''in perpetuity''_ does not appear in the original document. This term is frequently quoted as applying to British ownership of Gibraltar, but is erroneous! In addition, the treaty specified that Jews and muslims were to be prohibited from the Rock. However, there is both a jewish and muslim community resident. Therefore Britain is in breach of the treaty on that matter. This alone should serve as a reason for the treaty to be terminated and Gibraltar returned to full Spanish control. .
So basically the Tories did not came to a Schengen agreement fir Gibraltar with Spain by purely ideological caveats and did just nothing over years to secure the vital interests of the Citizens of Gibraltar
Isn't that just Brexit in a nutshell? They wanted Brexit for ideological reasons ("take back control" "remove the immigrants" etc...) but failed to consider the fact that their entire country was getting a lot more than it was giving away. Now the UK has even shittier healthcare, struggles to employ enough people to do the seasonal jobs that don't pay well (the one they still use immigrants for...), lost a lot of companies which relied on the free movement of goods between the UK and the rest of the EU etc... It was a small suicide and its certainly not the highest earners who are paying for that mistake! I'm gonna be honest, as a non UK citizen i was and still am puzzled about how they managed to defend this idea, vote for it, follow through, get the worst deal possible every step of the way... And how there are still people defending it its mind boggling!
Don’t worry Starmer will tie the UK back up to some EU laws but without re-joining the EU. Which will make you very very happy. But what you should realise is that they will want something from the U.K. in return. So the UK will have to give them something that will benefit them more so than the deals they give us just so the U.K. has ties to the EU again that’s what Starmer and the re-moaners want until after it’s happened then the re-moaners will keep moaning when they realise that the U.K. got screwed over by Starmer and the EU. But most re-moaners have only been to 2 EU country that are France and Spain. Plus most re-moaners do not like European food apart from Pizza and Pasta. They much prefer U.K. food and U.K. culture.
Spain and the eu should just put back the borders, they voted to leave, so be it. Let them see how bad it will get without the single market and free movement
Tax haven or Schengen. That's all they need to decide, as they can't have both anymore. Whatever scenario will lead to a decimated Gibraltar economy anyway. They will do so much better as a federal district inside Spain. But they are too stubborn and proud about being part of the UK. A nation that has letft them out after the Brexit results.
@@savvageorgeIt's called sovereignty and it wss a big deal for you in 2016... Authoritarian countries like Russia fits uk better than European democracies 😂
@@savvageorge You call it petty. We call it enforcing the laws of the EU, that are the same for ALL non-EU members...... unless you make a special deal. But that requires concesions on your part.........can`t have your cake and eat it! Out means out!
@@ДАРТАНЬЯН-з2щ As long as there is demand for immigrant labor, you will always have immigrants. The only difference is if they are legal or illegal. Illegal immigrants are generally worked harder and paid less because they have much fewer political rights and are more vulnerable to being kicked out of the country. Being against legal immigration means that you are also in favor of suppressing the price and availability of labor for native citizens in favor of illegal immigrants.
The United Kingdom has violated the Treaty of Utrecht several times, closing the borders in Gibraltar is the most friendly response to these practices. Legally, Spain would be within its rights to expel all the British who currently occupy the territory illegally.
Honestly, 99% of the time, if the conservatives disagree with something, it's the correct choice. Give Gibraltar back to Spain, and give Northern Ireland back to Ireland, and everything will be fine.
Yeah! Because what we need right now in Spain is yet another territory full of people WHO DON`T WANT TO BE SPANISH. We have already enough of that, thank you. Sorry, Brexit and Gibraltar is YOUR mess......deal with it.........
Farage's first day in parliament was spent bashing John Bercow for "trying to overthrow the greatest democratic decision in the history of this nation" while ignoring the democratic wishes of the people of Gibraltar
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state. We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission. With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels. When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left. If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit. It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc. Re voting demographics, if it were just old people voting to leave then they would be like the Tories currently are, a complete electoral wipeout. There was only a very slight difference in age goups and cohorts. Lots of teenagers who had never voted before did so to leave, just as many elderly voted to remain. What's happening here is that an angry hard right of remoaners STILL don't accept democracy, which is the running theme of Trump supporters too. If you don't like democracy then you can either not vote, or you can move to an authoritarian country where you have no vote at all.
@@joshrichards608 A few things. We have stagnant wages because corporations are allowed to make record profits with little tax under 14 years of Tory rule, giving way to wages that did not rise with inflation created by the Tories. There are no houses because the government refused to build them, Thatcher sold them out to the private sector, and land use laws allowed landlords to send rent and house prices sky high. Also, it is not democratic for the people of Scotland to be forced into something chosen for them by the people of England. They voted overwhelmingly against it, and got forced into it against their will. That is not democracy. It's not the first time something like this happened. Ulster (which is made up of 9 counties, 6 of which today make up Northern Ireland) was left out of a Home Rule bill overwhelmingly pushed by other people the people in Ulster didn't want. And when I say that, I mean not even half, compared to 96% in Gibraltar. They did not choose to be in the EU. It was not a referendum for the people in Gibraltar. They had no say. Also, I fail to see how allowing Gibraltar special EU privilages, a decision that would only have positive effects for the people of Gibraltar and Spain, would affect you Brexiteers. Passport control could still be enforced in the British Isles.
@@M.W.I. Yes we know remoaners don't have a very good relationship with truth and democracy, and they were completely taken in by David Cameron's campaign to remain. All remoaners are therefore hard right Tory authoritarians.
A brief clarification from Spain: we do not have a formal claim on the isthmus. Rather, we have a claim on the entire territory since the UN gave Spain the reason for the decolonization of the Rock in 1968. The claims on the isthmus date back to the time of the dictatorship.
@@ce1834 Consent of the people means little, since America, Indonesia, as well as many colonial powers ignored that to set up their territories. Flooding a country with your people to get a de jure claim based on ethnicity isn't exactly fair conduct.
@@prestongarvey4461 Not comparable, hilarious comparison, Spain was a colonial powerhouse too, like many territorial changes in Europe in history, they signed it away (310 years ago). Hope to see you campaigning for Ceuta and Melilla's union with Morocco too
@@ce1834 Ah but we are not defending Spain's claim to equatorial Guinea are we? No no my friend. Lawfully it is theirs. Britain suffered because of bad governments making dumb decisions, it wasn't the EU that devalued the Pound for a while, nor was it EU immigration that became problematic for the UK. Housing, Rent, Food, everything is still going up in spite of your glamorous freedom, health care is falling sharply and overall no one has actually benefitted British entitlement thinking you're still the powerful world power you once were doesn't fit with the Britain of today, even Thatcher made better decisions that you've all done lately.
Scotland voted to stay in the EU, Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU, Gibraltar voted to stay in the EU. The Conservative Party that brought us Brexit had been resoundingly removed from governernance. Brexit had been an unmitigated disaster, to the surprise of no one. So, why not just end this shit show of a situation and rejoin the EU?
Now the EU has a say, in fact EU's say, even the smallest or the newest of the EU's countries say, is way more important that UK's say. When Brexit happened, many political analyst say that the UK would ask to come back in 10 years (2016-2026), and that France would say no.
You have to join the line. At the back. Work on fullfilling the requirments. No more rebates, no exemptions. Oh, and how about keeping the deals you have made?
Thanks to Johnson & Farage and the people who voted to leave the EU The examples of negative effects runs into thousands It was the biggest political error in this century
Give it back to Spain would be the best option to avoid new conflicts! Those little territories are a pain in the neck of good relationships between countries involved. 😢
@@Heneling I understand that. But it doesn't make any sense for any country to hold on far away territories which should be free to be independent. Of course people hold on to citizenship for obvious reasons, but it takes a lot of effort and money to keep those lands under control which originated from colonialism. Another example are Ceuta and Melilla which are a magnet for refugees leaving African countries and camping just outside the border in terrible conditions waiting to be able to go through and get in a boat to Europe.
@@simibro1709 Didn't you read what Heneling said? The people of Gibraltar don't want to become Spanish subjects. That's the point that sticks in the Spanish throat.
@@stephenpickering8063 that's why in my reply I implied that they probably don't want to lose they privileges and become "ordinary" citizens and learn Spanish. The same way for other territories (British or others). I get it, unfair or not is the way people vote.
Gibraltar is nothing other than a non-autonomous territory, subject to the decolonization process, in two words: a colony. In 1963 it was included in the UN list of territories to be decolonized and it has not left there. Since that year, therefore, the Special Committee of the United Nations in charge of examining the situation regarding the application of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, the so-called Committee of 24, has him among the territories under its jurisdiction. In 1964 this Committee reached a consensus on the situation in the non-self-governing territory of Gibraltar, urging the United Kingdom and Spain to begin talks without delay in order to find a negotiated solution. The following year the General Assembly endorsed the terms of the consensus and invited both nations to begin said conversations. Year after year the UN has maintained this mandate to the two states, which therefore remains fully in force. It is also interesting to note that the UN urges decolonisation in accordance with the principle of territorial integrity and not by virtue of any supposed right of self-determination of a hypothetical Gibraltarian "people" (in fact, in 1967 it condemned the referendum held in Gibraltar). It does establish, however, that the interests of the population of Gibraltar must be heard. For that they have an excellent channel: the British Government. The negotiation on sovereignty corresponds exclusively to London and Madrid. In short, for the UN what there is is a colonial situation that must be put to an end. Disputes between countries must be resolved in accordance with international legality, not according to the proclaimed will of a people. The British have always abused our good faith and our moments of weakness. Spain voluntarily established a neutral zone, while maintaining its exclusive sovereignty. In 1815, for humanitarian reasons and because of a yellow fever epidemic, the British were authorised to use it temporarily to build a sanitary camp, but this zone was never returned. The airport was built in 1938, in the middle of the Spanish Civil War, on the usurped isthmus, under the misleading name of ‘emergency landing strip’, later converted into an aerodrome, airport and finally, an air base. The fence had to be opened in 1986 because of the risk of the British exercising their veto on Spain's entry into the EU.
In Canada, US immigration officials conduct checks at Canadian airports for people flying into the United States. To have EU officials in Gibraltar is not as radical or scary as it has been portrayed.
We literally have “borders” in London, Dublin, and Paris too! Such a dumb thing to make a fuss about. It lowers friction and makes travel easier for both EU/UK tourists and US citizens so they don’t have to spend 15 hours in customs in New York or Houston!
Es el narcotráfico y la base nuclear lo que no queremos,RU no ha sido un buen socio y permite a las mafias operar en el estrecho,vemos como se refugian las lanchas de contrabando,narcotráfico,paso de personas,armamento nuclear......
@@johnflatt1288 Juxtaposed controls (in French: bureaux à contrôles nationaux juxtaposés, or "BCNJ"; in Dutch: kantoren waar de nationale controles van beide landen naast elkaar geschieden) are a reciprocal arrangement between Belgium, France, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom whereby border controls on certain cross-Channel routes take place before boarding the train or ferry, rather than upon arrival after disembarkation. With the exception of the Eurotunnel Shuttle route, customs checks remain unaffected by juxtaposed immigration controls and continue to take place upon arrival after disembarkation.[1] Belgium, France and the Netherlands are all member states of the European Union and part of the border-free Schengen Area. The United Kingdom, on the other hand, has never participated in the Schengen Area, even when it was a member state of the European Union. As a result, juxtaposed controls aim to increase the convenience and efficiency of border checks when travelling by train or ferry between the Schengen Area and the UK by removing the need for immigration checks on arrival and by streamlining checks on departure. At the same time, juxtaposed controls are intended to detect and prevent illegal immigration. In 2016, there were over 56,000 instances when people were refused entry to the UK at the juxtaposed controls.[2]
On 4 February 2020, the UK Transport Secretary, Grant Shapps, announced that passengers travelling on Eurostar from Amsterdam and Rotterdam to London would no longer have to disembark at Brussels-Midi station, go through immigration checks and then board another train before continuing their journey to London. According to the announcement, starting from 30 April 2020, passengers would go through juxtaposed controls in Amsterdam Centraal station before boarding the train, and starting from 18 May 2020, passengers would go through juxtaposed controls in Rotterdam Centraal station before boarding the train.[27][28] However, the inauguration of juxtaposed controls in Amsterdam Centraal and Rotterdam Centraal was postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.[29] Direct service between London, Rotterdam and Amsterdam subsequently commenced (together with the launch of juxtaposed controls) on 26 October 2020.[30][31]
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state. We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission. With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels. When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left. If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit. It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc. Re voting demographics, if it were just old people voting to leave then they would be like the Tories currently are, a complete electoral wipeout. There was only a very slight difference in age goups and cohorts. Lots of teenagers who had never voted before did so to leave, just as many elderly voted to remain. What's happening here is that an angry hard right of remoaners STILL don't accept democracy, which is the running theme of Trump supporters too. If you don't like democracy then you can either not vote, or you can move to an authoritarian country where you have no vote at all.
@johnny71c because Putin bought already your house of lords... the UK dont want to make their new boss upset...right? the UK is a security risk for Europe... and they have barley anyone who would serve the military, because your Russian paid Tories starved your military to not existing...no wonder, Putin paid for it! maybe you can ask your empire to send you some troops, but i assume, Gibraltar isnt that much populated!
Just to clarify, most of the Spanish population do not care for Gibraltar. Only the far right is worried about it. Also, only one particular person in the Spanish football team did said that, the rest do not care.
Gibraltar stopped being Spanish in 1713, under a peace treaty signed following the War of the Spanish Succession. It's been separate for OVER 300 YEARS, with its own culture, language (Llanito) and people. It is not an oppressively occupied colony, and any suggestion otherwise is incredibly ignorant and stupid. What of Ceuta and Melilla? The hypocrisy is absurd. As others have noted, all that Spain would have in reclaiming Gibraltar is a collapsed economy there, ten thousand unemployed Andalusians, and a dramatic fall in revenue to Hacienda. It's jingoistic nonsense that benefits no-one. Gibraltar is used by Spanish politicians as a distraction tactic and to rile up pig-headed nationalism. Are you so easily led?
@@targpatience a bit of patience, please, no one wants anyone to get tilted by good old British nationalism. As in many other territories, the UK takes (sometimes by force, as in this case) a territory far away from its borders, fills it with settlers, and then tries to convince the occupied country to let the settlers decide as an autonomous region. If a region is rich because of the tax heaven the Brits have created there, or because of the military base they created before that, or because of whatever other reason, that is not an excuse for that territory not to be considered a colony. Maybe if the UK stopped being g n0cida1 for a single century they could start giving morality lessons.
@@anonymoususer3561 Ha! I would suggest obtaining some basic understanding of history. Are you under the impression that Spain was always Spanish? Do you realise that Moorish rule of Spain was closer in time to Gibraltar's independence from Spain, than the latter is to the present day?
I don't get what Starmer is so afraid of, tbh. U-turning and going soft on Brexit would only split the opposition since vast majority of Labour voters are indifferent or pro EU. Meanwhile, U turning on Brexit would mean pissing off the Reform (which would strengthen Reform and weaken Conservatives) and splitting Conservatives down the middle between pro business moderates and Brexiteers. Split opposition is how Labour can win the next general election.
I was thinking that now Labour are in, it would be easy to do a deal to allow Gibraltar to be part of Schengen. It was the mention of the RAF in this video that made me realise that it won't happen under any UK gov. Put simply, the UK army, navy and air force works need to provide the names, passports? of their personnel entering and then leaving Gibralta to EU Border Force. Not going to happen!
How long before the UK votes again on joining the EU? The "Leave" vote was funded by Russia, and it was very close. This time, "Remain" will be beyond question.
Very true but sadly it's not going to happen, we burnt the bridges, it will take a change of heart and many years to rejoin, definitely not in my life time.
Just a technical note: Schengen is not limited to mainland Europe, it includes Iceland, Malta as well as some outermost regions (e.g. Madeira or Azores).
@@colinnich Yes but the narrator explicitly said "continental Europe" ;) Schengen goes well beyond that, it covers the entire EU except Ireland (because of CTA), Cyprus (because of occupation) and certain outermost regions where it wouldn't be practical (e.g. Saint Martin, Martinique, etc.).
I recently divorced my wife. We are still working out our post-divorce relationship. One thing that was never a discussion point was the fact she had to return the keys of our house and could not come and go as she pleased.
@jpt3640 because she was very stupid and decided to pursue her delusions... this has led to her destroying a lot of wealth and imposes a lot of unnecessary cost on both parts. And since she is not paying for anything she left behind, she also has no access to any of it. Or are you suggesting I should share my Netflix with her? A divorce rescinds privileged access to the former spouse and all the benefits that came with marriage. Would be really silly if it were otherwise.
Your map shows the Republic of Ireland in the same colour as the United Kingdom. We are part of the European Union and remain so despite the insanity of our neighbours.
Yeah but you are also in the CTA and that's lasted longer than the EU ever will and will in fact outlast the failing EU, how is the imposition of the illegal immigrants the EU has hit you with working out for you.
Was just in Gibralter a week ago and loved it. the guide told us thousands cross the border every day to come to work. This will be a catastrophe for Gibraltar.
And bad for Spain too. Those 15,000 workers would struggle to find work in nearby Spain which has a high unemployment rate. There is already a big problem with drug tafficking in the nearby area of La Linea. So if 15,000 more people don't have jobs then where will they turn?
@@Makiv-hj5xh Then Spain needs to make it viable to have more economic activity on the Spanish side. Seems like a Spain problem rather than a Gibraltar probem that there isnt more economic activity doesnt it? And they can only dream of getting the rock back because thats never going to happen. So they might as well just move on and stop crying like babies who just dropped their ice cream. Move on. Its actually embarassing.
@TDLR The title is just not correct. The EU is not imposing anything. UK has left the EU, so there is a border. That's it. The only issue is that some English people and all of the Tories are mentally challenged understanding that.
There are two ways. One is separatism and Brexit, which makes life difficult in Gibraltar. Or a deal with Spain and Gibraltar as part of the EU, which makes things easier for the people in Gibraltar. In my opinion, citizens of Gibraltar can retain access to the Schengen area while other UK citizens remain excluded. This is a problem that London has to solve.
@@DummyUseless-er3dn Brexiteers don't want it, at least the hardcore Reform lads don't. The NI deal is extremely unpopular with hardline Brexiteers because as discussed in the video it moves these regions closer to the EU and economically separates them from the UK. They should have thought about this before leaving the EU.
Takes to sides to agree unfortunately, London can make proposals all it wants but ultimately it will take sensible decision makers on both sides to resolve it.
Gibraltar, unlike other British overseas territory, by the very international treaty that established it, doesn't have its own jurisdiction and, therefore, it's not a sovereign territory.
Gibraltar being a British territory is an archaic holdover from the War of Spanish Succession in 1704. Just give the place back to Spain, keeping it is just not worth the hassle.
Time Gibraltar went back to Spain. Time Ireland was free and united. Time Scotland was independent. Negotiations with the english is a historical waste of time and perpetuates injustice.
About to? From the Spanish side it seems already like an hard border for me. Last Sunday I went to La Línea, near the border with Gibraltar, and the situation there compared to a few years ago is very, very different.
Its a cesspit on the other side i lived there for 6 years and the difference in quality of life for locals is astounding. this whole thing is rooted in jealousy...
@@djkemaito9597 I mean, you're somewhat right - La Línea is way poorer than Gibraltar. You could say that La Línea (and the Bay of Algeciras in general) is like the European equivalent of Tijuana - lots of poverty, drugs and crimes. Meanwhile Gibraltar is one of the richest places on Earth, on GDP per capita figures. I simply couldn't get into Gibraltar because I don't have neither a passport nor a driving license to get into British territory.
@@diogorodrigues747 And haven't you ever wondered why it is so? Who handles the tobaco and drugs smuggling, who launders the money afterwards? Who would ever dare to create a company in el Campo de la Linea if they can enjoy 0 taxes in Gibraltar?
@@diogorodrigues747Dude, comparing in to Tijuana is a stretch. Some zones of La Línea and Algeciras may be more problematic than the average, but at the same time, the Campo de Gibraltar contains rich urbanizations such as Sotogrande or La Alcaidesa. There is a problem regarding drugs, but the whole zone is not like that.
Why on earth would Britain continue to have an interest in Gibraltar it’s not as if Britain has an Empire any longer and the need of a secure entrance into the Mediterranean
It's amazing the trap the uk got into with the whole brexit story. As a qualified Spanish professional which used to live and work in the UK, I can only say it's your loss. Switzerland can take my work and knowledge instead, I also get a better retribution and feel more welcome here.
If the British are serious about their sovereignty in these "territories", why don't they make them actual de jure parts of the UK, with MPs in the Commons?
That will never happen, it would mean that they actually would have influence on the policies of all of the UK.
Because they are protectorates if the people of gibralter said feck off Britain we would.
Where as the Spainish and EU dont give a feck what the Gibraltans want.
So much for freedom.
These terrirtories have their own assemblies, no need for anyone to assert anything on them.
@@loneprimate it would have to go to a vote to the people of Gib
They more of a yesnt.
Also they are miles away so most people in mainland britain don't care so they just govern themselves.
And also be a military base.
The EU isnt impossing anything... its the UKs consequence of its own action. Ffs. British exceptionalism.
Yup. It’s situations like this that demonstrate how stubborn and impractical British policymaking usually is.
The EU bureaucratic wants total control of Europe... whether the nation states like it or not...
Perfect comment.
UK is the lion when someone makes a mistake, but now they are the victim when they play the wrong game.
Haha, let's see what you think about British exceptionalism if they make Gibraltar a tax free zone for banking.
Spains becoming a failed state, who cares.
TLDR: Spain and the EU aren't imposing anything, Spanish and EU officials tried everything to get a good deal for Gibraltar citizens and right wing UK officials decided that their pride couldn't accept that.
I feel this channel is a reform uk supporter
And where have you been given that information? As someone who was born and lives in Gibraltar with a British passport, at no point have Spanish officials tried to get any kind of good deal for Gibraltarians... actually the complete opposite how about you come over and see how hard it is for British citizens whenever Spanish police/officials are involved.
@@bobbobby-u3dYou live in Spain, yet you hold a british passport! Bound to bring problems
@@emabro9you really believe that 😂😂😂
Spain resents the UK for using Gibraltar to repair nuclear submarines as they see it as an unjust use of Gibraltar with massive consequences for Spain not England if it goes wrong
If Gibraltar is part of UK, and UK is removed from the EU, then why the surprised Pikachu face when there is a border between the EU and Gibraltar? This is what Brexit wanted.
Because the people of Gibraltar didn't want it. They voted 96% remain. Their needs air more important than brexiteers in England who have never even visited Gibraltar.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Then the people of Gibraltar should have a referendum to do their brexit and then apply for EU membership like everyone else.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191yet at the same time, the polls suggest that the Gibraltarians wish to remain British rather than be handed back to Spain. They can't have it both ways.
@@Chongo196 nonsense. There is no reason they can't have Spanish immigration officers at the airport while still remaining British in ever other aspect of their government, as stated in the video.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191you mean having Spanish official on UK soil? Sounds nice, until the first disagreement happens and the Spanish officials can’t do their job because they are "guests" and have no actual jurisdiction.
Once again a display of why leaving the EU was such a dreadful idea.
These arguments still happened when we were in the EU
Yet the farage fans still won't understand
The UK economy is bigger than France.
@@user-op8fg3ny3j Leaving EU was the best thing ever. And yes, I am a big Farage supporter.
@@Kalimdor199Menegrothwhy? What’s been a benefit?
"UK Continues to Face Consequences for Its Decisions" would be a better title.
Well this is Gibraltar facing consequences for the UKs decision despite voting nearly completely against it
37% of the actual voters... the train-wreck continues...
@johnny71c Well brexit killed every eurosceptic party so yes it is
@johnny71cyes, its doing a fine job. What exactly has the EU done that is objectively bad? Also, which brach of the EU has done that? Why didnt anyone veto it of they thought it was bad?
@@joelimbergamo639 Importing the 3rd world! I dont know which branch was responsible for that. I believe deals were made at a higher level (the UN) to import the 3rd world. Why are so many EU nations now embracing the Right wing? because the Right wing OPPOSES replacing the white population with the 3rd world populations!
Got to wonder about the 4% that felt Brexit would be good for them. Hope there is an interview somewhere
@james7133 96% of Gibraltar residents voted to stay. Did you watch the video?
2:08 for those with a short attention span
@james7133people like are the reason why governments treat us like children.
@@WendidIask Gibraltar can stay by uniting with Spain. But they don't want that either.
It was probably just a few temporary residents that were registered to vote there but heading back to Essex when the police stopped looking for them or whatever.
England does not want Gibraltar to align on TAX with Spain, because the main income source in Gibraltar is TAX DUMPING ?? and Spain is not going to tolerate that, now that they have the upper hand ... How can a small enclave with NO resources can have such a high GDP ?? Money laundry ?? TAX EVASION ?? and most of those Tax evaders live around Marbella ( SPAIN ) but are Gibraltar Tax residents ??!! AWFULL !!
Since Málaga City to Cádiz City is something that is learned since kindergarden.
Better take a look at Rees-Moggs accounts then…..
This same situation existed in the 1960's.and Spain closed the border then as well.
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@@niklar55 on the 60s there was not a EU, and Gibraltar did not work as a TAX HEAVEN and money laundry HUB ???
@@zorrozorro9681
Loads of Gibbo's were living in Spain and claiming gibraltar residency.
So they paid no taxes to Spain although they were permanent residents, in Spain!
AND because they were living in Spain, they paid no taxes in Gibraltar either.
Also, people in Gib, were financing and promoting smuggling operations, and shipping and selling booze, tobacco and other high taxed products to crooks in Spain.
There was virtually NO tax in Gib. 2,5p in the pound, when UK people were paying seven times that amount.
Gib was also heavily subsidised by the UK taxpayer.
It was as much a tax haven then as it is now.
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We need a hard border around the British propaganda papers
Trade restrictions are on the sun
How about a hard border around England? Keep those welfare scots and irish out also.
Spain is a joke. Your so called ally is occupying your land😂😂😂
our tabloids are deserving of things i can't say on youtube
As long as you remember to include Teh Grauniad and The “Independent”!
I grew up and lived in Algeciras for over 17 years, just on the opposite side of the bay from Gibraltar.
To all those sitting from UK, mainland Spain or elsewhere in Europe saying that El Campo or Spain needs Gibraltar to keep those jobs, I am sorry, but you are wrong. Some background before.
When Spain joined the EU in 1986 and the UK forced to open the border between Spain and Gibraltar, GDP per capita between Spain and Gibraltar was somewhat comparable. It was only from the point that Gibraltar had the best from both worlds, access to the largest single global market AND being a tax heaven that it’s GDP per capita skyrocketed to be in the top 5 worldwide. This would have not been possible without being part of the EU and Spain allowing Gibraltar to provide goods and services through its territory.
What was the cost of that for the surrounding area? impoverishment. Which company would settle in El Campo, if they could do it in Gibraltar paying a fraction of corporate tax? What about income tax? Regarding smuggling, can you imagine the hundred of tons of smuggled tax free tobacco and other products from Gibraltar to Spain which directly impacted on the development of El Campo?
Not a SINGLE wealthy Gibraltarian (or better said, “llanito”) lives in Gibraltar. They all live in luxury areas nearby, such as La Alcaidesa or Sotogrande, making the best out of Spanish public services and overall quality of life. What they do keep in Gibraltar however are their bank accounts.
Gibraltar is a virus for the region, which has been taking advantage of it, I have seen it with my own eyes over the years. It is an unhealthy relationship and Spain and the EU allowed this to happen.
I sincerely hope there is no deal and there is a hard border. So Gibraltarians have to choose to belong to the EU through co-sovereignty or keep their tax heaven living like an island. As I am not nationalistic, I sincerely hope the latter.
I am absolutely in favour of getting rid of tax havens so I agree.
So youre complaining about wealthy gibraltarians feeding money into your country by buying nice houses etc? You know they then have to pay taxes for those public services? In the form of IBI, Electric Bills, Water bills etc. 15,000 people cross a day and gain employment in Gibraltar. Thats 15,000 not claiming from Paro or getting involved in drug trarricking.
Ask yourself why companies dont want to open up in El Campo. Its not the tax. Its Spanish beurocracy. Trust me i worked with a number of gaming companies in Gibraltar that were very interested in opening up call centres and stuff in Spain especially as the cost of real estate and offices are increidbly expensive in Gib. But were instantly shot down by beurocracy. So instead of blaming the neighbours forSpains sorry state of affairs, perhaps look inwards.
@@cleanerben9636 Gibraltar is not a tax haven. I pay social security and tax on my wages there, and corporation tax is payed there as well. It may have been 20 years ago but is far from one now.
@@onlineamiga No, what he says is that those guys became rich exploiting the surrounding area economy. Cant' you read?
@@jonayz8655 Yes i can read. All I see is a lot of money going from Gibraltar INTO Spain.. Where is the exploit in that?
I live in Gibraltar, so here's my TL;DR - HM Govt of Gibraltar released a technical notice earlier this week stating that the EU's version of ETIAS will likely be coming into effect in November which also means that those with red ID cards (permanent residents) would also have their biometric info taken. There's been some panic, but mostly carrying on as normal. When the govts of Spain (EU), UK and Gibraltar keep saying that they're within touching distance of a deal, it's bollocks. We've been hearing that for the last 2 years. We're getting fed up and want them to announce whether we're getting a deal or not. It's just more of the same uncertainty that we've become accustomed to.
Just become part of spain already
@@mikel9138 1967 and 2002 referendums show that people don't want to go down that road. Read up on Gibraltar's treatment by Spain during the Franco years and you'll understand.
@@ant647448336 Do you live there, or are you just whining on behalf of someone who does live here?
@@mikel9138 Spain is a mess; always has been! The inhabitants of Gibraltar would sensibly rather be British.
@@ant647448336 after every spanish left since you conquered that land it makes sense that the english that arrived don't want to join spain
The politicians trying to decide for them against the declared will of 96% of the actual population of the place is insane. They don't care about the people at all.
Gibraltar is a British colony and if the UK leaves the colony has to leave too. Those are the rules
@@TheBedey Not my fault that Gibraltar is a colony. If they want it to stop being a colony they can give it back to Spain.
spain needs gibraltar more than the other way around
@@triumphanttrump1467 The population of Spain is 1300 times that of Gibraltar but Spain needs Gibraltar more.
Just close the border. There's no point negotiating with these people
@@triumphanttrump1467That’s the best way to demonstrate arrogance and exceptionalism. Spain doesn’t need Gibraltar, the tax heavens surely gives work to a few thousands, but I can assure you the Brits get way more money from all the ilegal gambling and tax evasion.
I bet Irish nationalists and Spain couldn't believe their luck when Britain voted for brexit!
The British subsidy to NI is equal to the RoI's entire education budget. Getting rid of the poorest part of the country riven with inter-communal conflict seems like an absolute win. Gib would probably be Spanish already if they weren't fascist until 1975 and then aggressively petty ever since.
Irish nationalists in NI don’t support the existence of NI so it didn’t make a difference. Infact we were told 5 years there’d be a United Ireland and an Independent Scotland… it’s been 8 years since the referendum and none of that happened and doesn’t look like it will be happening lmao.
@@clivejungle6999 Imagine, the Irish are educating their population, one of the top three in the World, with the same budget that the British are subventing the lazy, unemployed, lard arsed Northern Irish.
As a Spaniard and Catholic, I wish one day Northern Ireland goes back to the Irish people.
@@clivejungle6999and yet it's recognised and a substandard subsidy
Dear Britain,
you can't have the cake and eat it too.
Best regards
EU
Yes, out is out!
EU traitors to Europe
Dear EU
When Putin gets ready call on you too
You may regret that arrogance
You pretend not to need us ..... But read Kipling's poem 'Tommy'
This is the reason uk voted Out . Eu have wheels like a steam roller. It’s not a membership it’s All Eu Rules .That are damaging to lots that follow them .
@@Farweaselthis is what happens when you listen to lies and leave EU. Where are the billions of pounds every year that were supposed to go to NHS, in turn they took out billions every year from NHS.
This is an example where rigid philosophy overrides common sense. Very few UK citizens live in Gibralter and the Tory government were very aware that 96% voted to stay in the EU so they weren't inclined to do them any favours. This rigid Brexit stance has made things extremely difficult for Britains living in Gibraltar, in actual fact having Gibralter as part of Shengen is not going to make much difference except for those with hardline Brexit principle, who are unlikely to ever visit Gibralter anyway! It is an example of a British enclaves needs being ignored because of philosophocal rhetoric!
“Rigid philosophy” is a very nice euphemism for British stubbornness.
All Gibraltarians are also British citizens. Since 2002 all British Overseas Territory Citizens have been considered UK citizens.
Everyone living in Gib is British.
@@almasomerville1070 Except the few Spanish young men who have fallen in love with elderly Brits across the border and want all their money.
@@joshrichards608 Understood the difference between EEC/EC, EEU, EU and EFTA by now? 😎
Not to mention that some territories that you think are british, aren't.
In example: the Airport was built on Spanish land, where Spain allowed Britain to build a temporary hospital, during two pandemics at Gibraltar. As usual, the UK never abandoned these lands. Great neighbors.
The Treaty of Utrech states, very clearly, that Gibraltar has no rights on the sea. Guess what? they are builind the second urban expansion on lands gained to the sea.
Not no mention that about an 30% of British-Gibraltar citizens live in Spain, without paying taxes in Spain. Not strange, as Gibraltar is a Tax Heaven (as usual for Britain overseas territories) where lot of Spanish business/citizens hide their (maybe not honest) money.
I think we should close the border at least for 10 year. Later, we will see.
The airport was built on the southern half of what was then the neutral ground. The north half of the neutral ground is now used by Spain. And the border is in the middle. So all that happened is both sides started making use of the land on their side of the border when there was no longer a need for a neutral ground. The border was not moved.
"I think we should close the border at least for 10 year. Later, we will see.". That was the tactic of General Franco, the fascist dictator. He closed the border, and it was closed for 13 years. It achieved the opposite of what he wanted. It says a lot about you that you think like him.
@@harrr53 Borders are borders, and were stablished in 1713. That "neutral" land is Spanish, and Britain has no rights on it.
So simple. I wonder how British like to disguise reality.
Brexit is never gonna leave the news ever is it?
Spain should be strong against the UK.
No.
Well no not til we fix the damage the brexit idiots caused
@@daikucoffee5316 the people voted over 99% to remain part of the UK stop crying about it and move on you focus so heavily on a rock when your country is in shambles good way to take the focus of the real problems in Spain, sadly, a rock has been top priority to Spain for over a 100 years.
It will never leave the news. It is analogous to cutting of your own leg, the lack of a leg is going to define the rest of your life 😒
Gotta love the hypocrisy of "we voted leave", whilst nerfing deals when they've been voted out. David Cameron has a lot to answer for!
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state.
We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission.
With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels.
When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left.
If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit.
It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc.
@@joshrichards608Is it really democracy when most of the Leaver rhetoric was based on lies?
It's losers crying about losing
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Yes it was democracy, but obviously a small echo chamber of the losing side have lost all self respect since and regularly engage in mental gymnastics to sustain their denial. It's called cognitive dissonance, google it.
Remoaners have become a cult really, they are a small minority in an echo chamber.
But just to recap - for over a decade the overwhelming UK electorate continually put Farage in the EU to get us out. Cameron then won a majority on the basis of giving us a referendum. The referendum was won by leave, then we had two more general elections with Brexit as the topic and again leave won both of those elections.
The cognitive dissonance being maintained by bitter remoaners is comical to see, much of the time it appears to be from teenagers who don't understand the two decades which lead up to brexit, which explains why youngsters were so easily taken in by Cameron's campaign to remain, and with no first hand knowledge of what the EU was doing to our country.
@@SaintGerbilUK Remoaners are actually more aligned on most issues to Donald Trump's MAGA crowd.
They too don't care about democracy when they lose and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to deal with their cognitive dissonance and try to remain in contact with reality.
Accept Gibraltar becoming a member of the Schengen area or face a hard border. The UK made the mess, the UK has to clean it up.
farage made this mess make him find a solution
@@rockerjim8045 Cameron made the mess. Farage provided the fuel, Cameron lit the fucking fire by actually having the vote and then adhering to it, even though it was so close.
@@patta8388 The vote was always a scam. It was designed to lump soft brexit with hard brexit which makes no sense because soft brexit is not in any way compatible with hard brexit. 70% of the country was against hard brexit. The vote allowed the 30% that wanted a hard brexit to set up a brexit where running out the clock by disrupting any deal resulted in an automatic hard brexit.
UK out of EU because of migration but still have migration problem, what a mess when Farage used sentiment and emotion to made UK poor. racism can bite you back.
@@patta8388 You can't blame individual politicians if you as a people are so stupid that you fall for the lies. The majority voted for Brexit.
As a Spaniard I hope the hard border its imposed. Even better the fence is closed (as per treaty of Utrech). That fence was only opened as a condition of the UK for Spain to Join the back then called Common Market. No need to oblige any longer
I suppose Spain will give back its overseas territories too? Plus Britain can’t give it back if the residents vote to stay as we are a democracy
@@Heneling I'm tired to explaining the same to imperialist ignorants. Spain doesn't have overseas territories. Ceuta and Melilla have MP's in the Madrid parliament because they are full Spanish cities.They are across the water from the mainland as the isle of Jersey is across the water from your mainland. Furthermore Ceuta and Melilla aren't fiscal paradises or Naval bases. As I said bring on the hard border.
@@Henelingwhich has exactly what to do with Gibraltar?
Your weak argument, often used by the brits, shows you have no proper argumentation to make, and are simply clutching at the last remnants of empire to keep feeling important.
@@Heneling Learn f**** history the right way. Your old historical lies aren't the truth.
@@Makiv-hj5xh Ceuta was literally conquered in 1415 by the Portuguese from the Arabs, if Spanish schooling is this bad I am not really that surprised that you can't put together a coherent argument. Return Ceuta to Arabic control and then we will talk. This video is just flooded by thousands of crying Spaniards, makes me laugh.
So...the UK is miffed that the EU member Spain uses its own sovereignty?
Which all EU members have and had all the time?
So why were British councils saying they had no say over certain local issues that fell under EU jurisdiction? We arent going to rehash this again, are we?
@@inconnu4961 It would be a moot decision. the UK is out anyway. No way that anyone can blame the EU for what is not done now?
Not all EU members. Like ireland
@@inconnu4961 No idea but they have gone bankrupt well past Brexit so they can't blame the EU for that.
Morocco need to kick Spain out if Africa too.
The english voted for Brexit , so face the consequences. Independence for Scotland! 🏴🇪🇺🏴🇪🇺
Solution: Gibraltar joins Spain, N.-Ireland joins Ireland, the independent Scotland joins the EU, and England learns how to be a normal country and not an empire.
But the people who live in Gibraltar don't want that.
@@beanbaguklohico, pasaba también con los piratas de Isla Tortuga, los britts y sus piratas
@@beanbaguk They are allowed to go
Blah blah blah maybe the Spain should return Ceuta to Morocco
@@BarryHofland.They're also allowed to stay. Spain doesn't own Gibraltar whether you like it or not.
Pride and arrogance are bad advisors. We Spaniards know from our own history that those who want everything often end up with nothing. I don't understand why Gibraltar's entire problem in maintaining its current privileged status is that it doesn't want the presence of Spanish customs officers in its port and airport. The European Union cannot allow access to its territory for people and goods to be left to the British authorities. Gibraltar's great asset is that it is located in the poorest area of Spain and that 10,000 people there live directly or indirectly from the Rock's economy, but time is running against Gibraltar, because if an agreement is not reached before the new legislation on access to the EU, ETIAS and ESS, comes into force, the passage from Gibraltar to Spain will be much more complicated.
The Gibraltar airport is built on Spanish soil. It was allowed to be operated from the rock to make their live easier. So performing checks at the airport is fairly legal and makes sense.
Correction; former Spanish soil.
Anyway, whatever compromise is agreed over border issues, Spain can forget any ambitions they have to regain sovereignty over Gibraltar. The principle of self determination is supreme and Gibraltarians would never agree to a change of sovereignty over the Rock. For many, Franco and his regime is still a living memory and, for those, for whom it is not, there are the history books.
@@anonnemo2504 Sure, let s enforce the Treaty of Utrecht which does not define the extent of the ‘Port’ that was ceded, nor the extent of Gibraltar’s maritime jurisdiction.
@@marianico69 Things have moved on a little since 1713 and all arrangements between UK and Gibraltar governments and Spain are in accordance with CURRENT international law.
Also, all territories, unless landlocked, have territorial waters. The clue is in the name.
@@anonnemo2504 exactly since things have moved since 1704, then return back the captured territory to original country.
@@marianico69 Sorry, old chap. Because the principle of self determination is supreme, that would require the permission of the people who live there and that is never going to happen.
The best part of brexit is that the rest of the EU fell in line and are likely not going to vote to leave anytime soon.
They cannot leave they are tied in to the Euro, it would be more or less be impossible to sort out
@@philrothwell6858 Poland isn't. Denmark isn't. Sweden isn't. Romania isn't. Czechia isn't. Hungary isn't. Bulgaria isn't. What other reasons are there?
Unfortunately the dutch did not get the memo
@@philrothwell6858Hungary could leave. And this would be better for the EU
@@philrothwell6858euro better than pound
British overseas territory, a British colony. Spain should close the border.
"Gibraltar was taken and retained when we were not at war with Spain, and it was retained contrary to every law of morality and honour. " John Bright 1869
You can find plenty of injustice in the history of every single frontier. If you applied the same standard to every border, you'd find yourself re-drawing the entire map of the world, and end up with more conflict than we have now.
£350 million a week on a red bus could really help the country right about now
Indeed! 😂😅
It could. Importing the EU and the row will not.
@@HurryPuttar007
It wasn't Starmer who promise ￡350 million a week to the NHS.
Boris actually did give the NHS the £350mil, it's just you don't notice because it's a drop in the bucket. NHS is a broken system and that's why no other country in the world runs their healthcare like that.
350 mil would run the NHS for about 10 minutes
Spaniard here. We aren't imposing anything UK (as a whole) wanted to leave and they are enjoying the consequences of their own actions.
They are welcome to apply for rejoining the union but they have to realize that Spain and Poland and... Will have their word in this process and they will have to accept the Euro, no passports,...
UK is so used to privilege that equal treatment feels like opression to them.
They see themselves like Expats in Spain but they fail to realize that they are just forgeiners. In Spain we have Spaniard, Eu citizens* and the rest.
*Eu agreements with Switzerland, Norway,... Apply.
Don't put on Spain or the EU the Blame of Brexit. We have our own problems to deal with.
They wanted all the benefits of leaving but none of the downsides.
Ha - this is exactly why the EU will not survive long term - every country needs to approve everything.
Now with regard to the British - look at our awful treatment in Mallorca and other Spanish islands - the Spanish don;t want us. That is, until - 40% if their income disappears when we go elsewhere.
@@NH-gw3vc yeah yeah, you lot said that 50 years ago already. day after day, not one missed.
How about Spain lives with the consequences of giving the land away in a signed document?
Britain NEVER accepted the EU rules of free travel throughout Europe.
It always harassed people with passport and custom checks.
It has abused the Utrecht agreement totally.
It no longer has any Mediterranean Interests to protect, which was the original reason for the Utrecht agreement.
So Gibraltar should be returned to total Spanish control.
Then the border can be removed, and free travel within the EU rules returned.
[and good riddance!]
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I don't get why Brexit supporters claim the EU is doing stuff like that to punish the UK. They wanted to take controll of their borders back. A controlled border is exactly this. A closed border! With controlls! This is just the same as Ireland and Northern Ireland they will just have to accept that a border needs to be somewhere and that a border means checks, paperwork and so forth.
Because they have the mind of a 6 year old.
Also, the EU will take the side of their member states. So they will side with Spain in a dispute about Gibraltar. In the past it would have to be neutral.
@@Oddi92 It already did that when the issue of the Chagos Islands came up, as well as in the Malvinas situation.
Controlled border? You mean like the sieve at Dover, for example?
Gibraltar isn't part of the UK. The last time we asked them if they wanted to stay a British overseas territory they voted 98% in favour of our protection from the likes of Spain. Spain and their armada tried and failed to invade the UK, as did 1930's Germany. Gibraltar has been a British overseas territory for hundreds of years.
So, we continue to protect Gibraltar as all countries protect their overseas territories. Spain, for example has multiple overseas territories including northern Africa, various islands, etc, mostly gained from it's colonial days.
Any country who tries to invade Gibraltar will trigger an immediate military response, see the Falkland islands war.
Sickening. Block the UK and Gibraltar until they figure out their own domestic bullsh*t and come to the negotiating table with good faith. Stop wasting EU’s time.
Except that just screws over the people living there over a fight with those this has no direct impact on. They don't have an MP of their own.
It’s unfair to the people… maybe it’s time for Gibraltar to leave the monarchy and go for independence!
When you say, "Stop wasting EU's time", are you referring to other corrupt EU politicians like Eva Kaili that are too busy filling their pockets with money? Then I agree, Viktor Orban must be given more time.
@@marcovanwijnen6840 No, we were talking about those hypocrites who defended Brexit and placed their companies in the EU, those who defended Brexit and asked for dual citizenship, those who transferred their company headquarters to Northern Ireland and those who immigrated to the UK and who, after acquiring the right of residence, no longer want immigrants.
No stop wasting GB’s time.
It’s amazing what an enormous mess was made for no reason and zero gain, and then those same people keep getting in the way of finding solutions as well.
Zero gain? You know how much money was made and continues to be made by the "correct" people? Farage is laughing his ass off, and even comes back to repeat his performance. Gotta love the shamelessnes.
Self determination and independence is a pretty big reason.
@@quillo2747Independence to do what?
@@quillo2747What very beneficial thing was the UK prevented from doing that it has been doing since it left the EU?
@@quillo2747 Before the referendum, I used to say that the choice was not between Brussels and London, but between Brussels and Beijing. When Xi Jinping came to Britain, and he was received as royalty, that assertion became a fact. Good luck asserting yourself against China as a nation of 67 million people, instead of a bloc of over 500 million people (the UK included).
No no, I just didn’t want people having easy access to my country, but I’m still allowed easy access to theirs right?
Unfortunately that is the EU attitude. :(
@@stephenpickering8063 You have it backwards mate.
But besides that, the bigger market dictates the rules so if the UK wants to deal with the EU(you know, its main market) then the Uk will have to follow the EU's rules, enough of your British exceptionalism.
@@lordkfc1297 Not at all. I have it fully accurate in terms of the EU's notorious double standards.
Yes a big state can bully another to a degree to get biased terms of trade but that on;y goes so far before they get told to p*ss off. There is a wide world out that and if one great power is being an asshole then the incentive is there to look elsewhere. It will take a government with some actual guts and interest in the needs of the people but until that occurs things won't get better on a broader range of matters. I still have some hopes that Starmar could be the breakthrough point but have to see how things goes.
@@stephenpickering8063 Poor brits, they are so oppressed.
I am not European, that may be why I fail to understand why the UK holds on to Gibraltar (Djebel-al-Tariq) which is in Spanish territory? This the 21 Century: the idea of conquests and settlements is way out of line. BTW, The Falklands, thousands of miles away from London. Why aren't they independent? Or Diego Garcia?
I hope the Spanish build a hard border and impose strict passport and customs checks. The British have no business there anyway.
True .
simple solution, let Gibraltar to vote if they still wants to remain in UK,
Hold your horses. Don;t be that sure of the result. They just want themselves what's in their best interest and this def is to remain in the UK and just make the most of what Spain has to offer with minimum price. They are British, not stupid.
They do not have the right to do so.
Hahaha stay in UK win, 100%
They have twice 99% vote to remain, before the EU and During the EU
I'm not sure how Gibraltar becoming an independent nation would help things.
Sounds like the UK wants to have its cake and eat it too
You make it sound almost like the EU. ;)
@@stephenpickering8063Except most eu members would never be that selfish
on the contrary. the EU is happy to hurt EU citizens in its desire to punish the UK unnecessarily.
Sure. As usual. And ol' Nigel is still waffling and nagging because the 'undemocratic EU' isn't giving the oh so souvereign Brits what they demand. How dare they! 😅
@@frankyboy1131 no one is demanding anything, but it would be considerate of the corrupt Brussels elite to figure out an arrangement that helps EU citizens who rely on the UK for work and income.
Gibraltar is a colony.
Since the 1960s, it has been on the United Nations list of "Non-Self-Governing Territories awaiting decolonisation". This colonial vestige is incompatible with resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960 on decolonisation. The United Nations has pointed out that, in the decolonisation process of Gibraltar, the applicable principle is not that of self-determination of peoples but rather that of restitution of Spanish territorial integrity. Spain has repeatedly asked the United Kingdom to enter into negotiations, in compliance with the provisions of the United Nations since 1965, to reach a definitive solution to this dispute.
Gibraltar was ceded to the United Kingdom by the Treaty of Utrecht. However, only "the city and castle of Gibraltar together with its port, defences and fortresses belonging to it" were ceded. The isthmus, like the adjacent waters or the overlying airspace, was not ceded by Spain and has always remained under Spanish sovereignty. The continued de facto occupation by the British does not meet the requirements of international law for the acquisition of sovereignty. That is why Spain has always stressed that the occupation of the isthmus is illegal and contrary to international law and, therefore, has always demanded its unconditional return. Spain does not recognise the occupation of the isthmus or the fence as a border.
Note: Not Gibraltar, the city, the castle and the port buildings. Not a single piece of land has been given to UK. Sovereignty belongs to Spain.
Cry harder
@@kyzantia8884 no tears, just facts.
@@kyzantia8884 someone got triggered here...
@@ALBERTOVEIRARAMOS O nos lo devolveis mataos exclavizantes o os lo arrevatamos con boicot,igual que haceis, paguen alquiler por la base si la quieren como los demás.
Is there anything funnier than watching the english not understand they aren't the heart of a new eu empire?
8 years already... wow time flies... gosh. what have I been doing for the past 8 years.
Let’s hope in another 8 years from now nobody will speak about this anymore
It does go by quickly, doesnt it!
NOT visiting the UK maybe???? as most of us
@@irondasgr do you have beef with the UK?
@@patrickchan2503 Well, everyone should have a beef with those greedy bastards. But it doesn't matter anymore. Just grab a nice bucket of popcorn and watch the spectacle as they crumble down more and more day by day. From the eggs on Fromage's head, to the boats landing right on the coasts of South England, to the perisstence of Scotalnd/Wales to show their own flag, to the Paki mayor, to London's going from fish and chips to curry and halal meat full-on, to the riots against immigrants, to the interviews of relieved people moving to other countries in sheer relief. It's all about the fun now, isn't it?
The answer to Gibraltars problems, is for it to be returned to Spain, as per the treaty of Utrecht.
_''Gibraltar was ceded to the United Kingdom by the Treaty of Utrecht. However, only "the city and castle of Gibraltar together with its port, defences and fortresses belonging to it" were ceded. The isthmus, like the adjacent waters or the overlying airspace, was not ceded by Spain and has always remained under Spanish sovereignty. The continued de facto occupation by the British does not meet the requirements of international law for the acquisition of sovereignty. That is why Spain has always stressed that the occupation of the isthmus is illegal and contrary to international law and, therefore, has always demanded its unconditional return. Spain does not recognise the occupation of the isthmus or the fence as a border.''_
The term _''in perpetuity''_ does not appear in the original document.
This term is frequently quoted as applying to British ownership of Gibraltar, but is erroneous!
In addition, the treaty specified that Jews and muslims were to be prohibited from the Rock.
However, there is both a jewish and muslim community resident.
Therefore Britain is in breach of the treaty on that matter.
This alone should serve as a reason for the treaty to be terminated and Gibraltar returned to full Spanish control.
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It pisses me off every time i see a british "person" on vacation in the EU. They wanted to leave, why the hell haven't they.
So basically the Tories did not came to a Schengen agreement fir Gibraltar with Spain by purely ideological caveats and did just nothing over years to secure the vital interests of the Citizens of Gibraltar
Isn't that just Brexit in a nutshell? They wanted Brexit for ideological reasons ("take back control" "remove the immigrants" etc...) but failed to consider the fact that their entire country was getting a lot more than it was giving away. Now the UK has even shittier healthcare, struggles to employ enough people to do the seasonal jobs that don't pay well (the one they still use immigrants for...), lost a lot of companies which relied on the free movement of goods between the UK and the rest of the EU etc...
It was a small suicide and its certainly not the highest earners who are paying for that mistake!
I'm gonna be honest, as a non UK citizen i was and still am puzzled about how they managed to defend this idea, vote for it, follow through, get the worst deal possible every step of the way... And how there are still people defending it its mind boggling!
Brexit the gift that keeps on giving.Never in history has a country voted to screw itself so bad in every way.Thank you Boris and Farage.
Don’t worry Starmer will tie the UK back up to some EU laws but without re-joining the EU. Which will make you very very happy. But what you should realise is that they will want something from the U.K. in return. So the UK will have to give them something that will benefit them more so than the deals they give us just so the U.K. has ties to the EU again that’s what Starmer and the re-moaners want until after it’s happened then the
re-moaners will keep moaning when they realise that the U.K. got screwed over by Starmer and the EU.
But most re-moaners have only been to 2 EU country that are France and Spain. Plus most re-moaners do not like European food apart from Pizza and Pasta. They much prefer U.K. food and U.K. culture.
Don't blame the EU for the UK stupid actions and incompetence.
Why not? It's their fault! Dont believe everything that your Left-leaning media tells you!
but the UK does it all the time..
because they are so special....but nobody in the EU knows exactly what it is!
Spain and the eu should just put back the borders, they voted to leave, so be it. Let them see how bad it will get without the single market and free movement
Gibraltar? Along with the pound and the Elgin Marbles, kiss ‘em goodbye (as a start) to joining the EU. The EU was right - see you in 100 years.
We are not joining the EU, cry harder
Is not EU hard things up ! Is Brexit !!
Well, english friends: you voted to leave, so, please leave. EU/we do not care.
The title shall be corrected: “Gibraltar is treated as any other foreign territory as brexit voters chose”
Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN and most countries from the international community.
Tax haven or Schengen.
That's all they need to decide, as they can't have both anymore. Whatever scenario will lead to a decimated Gibraltar economy anyway.
They will do so much better as a federal district inside Spain. But they are too stubborn and proud about being part of the UK. A nation that has letft them out after the Brexit results.
It was the UK that withdraw from the EU not vice versa. This is simply predicted and negotiated follow up of the decision UK made.
That's OK if the EU want to be petty with the border then we can just find other countries to become friends with like Russia.
@@savvageorgeIt's called sovereignty and it wss a big deal for you in 2016...
Authoritarian countries like Russia fits uk better than European democracies 😂
@@savvageorge You call it petty. We call it enforcing the laws of the EU, that are the same for ALL non-EU members...... unless you make a special deal.
But that requires concesions on your part.........can`t have your cake and eat it! Out means out!
Stuff like this shows Brexiteers just didn’t give a second thought to the consequences of leaving the EU past “it’ll get rid of immigration!”
And they voted against the wrong immigration
The immigration issue was of those from non eu countries eg those staying in the jungle at Calais.
Worst of all, immigration remained.
And immigration has actually doubled since 2015 😂
@@ДАРТАНЬЯН-з2щ As long as there is demand for immigrant labor, you will always have immigrants. The only difference is if they are legal or illegal. Illegal immigrants are generally worked harder and paid less because they have much fewer political rights and are more vulnerable to being kicked out of the country. Being against legal immigration means that you are also in favor of suppressing the price and availability of labor for native citizens in favor of illegal immigrants.
@@AlexMax2742 illegal immigrants won't come if they are unalived on sight whenever they are caught.
The United Kingdom has violated the Treaty of Utrecht several times, closing the borders in Gibraltar is the most friendly response to these practices.
Legally, Spain would be within its rights to expel all the British who currently occupy the territory illegally.
No no, Great Britain have imposed a hard border to their citizens of Gibraltar with the Brexit. Don‘t get confused.
This is a good idea. The UK will learn the hard way.
Honestly, 99% of the time, if the conservatives disagree with something, it's the correct choice. Give Gibraltar back to Spain, and give Northern Ireland back to Ireland, and everything will be fine.
Yeah! Because what we need right now in Spain is yet another territory full of people WHO DON`T WANT TO BE SPANISH.
We have already enough of that, thank you.
Sorry, Brexit and Gibraltar is YOUR mess......deal with it.........
And go against what the people living there want ? Typical Tyrannical Left.
Huge Remain vote in Gibraltar ignored by Tories in UK
Farage's first day in parliament was spent bashing John Bercow for "trying to overthrow the greatest democratic decision in the history of this nation" while ignoring the democratic wishes of the people of Gibraltar
Almost like Gibraltar is part of the UK, not an independent country.
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state.
We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission.
With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels.
When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left.
If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit.
It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc.
Re voting demographics, if it were just old people voting to leave then they would be like the Tories currently are, a complete electoral wipeout. There was only a very slight difference in age goups and cohorts. Lots of teenagers who had never voted before did so to leave, just as many elderly voted to remain. What's happening here is that an angry hard right of remoaners STILL don't accept democracy, which is the running theme of Trump supporters too. If you don't like democracy then you can either not vote, or you can move to an authoritarian country where you have no vote at all.
@@joshrichards608 BS
@@joshrichards608 A few things. We have stagnant wages because corporations are allowed to make record profits with little tax under 14 years of Tory rule, giving way to wages that did not rise with inflation created by the Tories. There are no houses because the government refused to build them, Thatcher sold them out to the private sector, and land use laws allowed landlords to send rent and house prices sky high.
Also, it is not democratic for the people of Scotland to be forced into something chosen for them by the people of England. They voted overwhelmingly against it, and got forced into it against their will. That is not democracy.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Ulster (which is made up of 9 counties, 6 of which today make up Northern Ireland) was left out of a Home Rule bill overwhelmingly pushed by other people the people in Ulster didn't want. And when I say that, I mean not even half, compared to 96% in Gibraltar. They did not choose to be in the EU. It was not a referendum for the people in Gibraltar. They had no say.
Also, I fail to see how allowing Gibraltar special EU privilages, a decision that would only have positive effects for the people of Gibraltar and Spain, would affect you Brexiteers. Passport control could still be enforced in the British Isles.
@@M.W.I. Yes we know remoaners don't have a very good relationship with truth and democracy, and they were completely taken in by David Cameron's campaign to remain. All remoaners are therefore hard right Tory authoritarians.
A brief clarification from Spain: we do not have a formal claim on the isthmus. Rather, we have a claim on the entire territory since the UN gave Spain the reason for the decolonization of the Rock in 1968. The claims on the isthmus date back to the time of the dictatorship.
Yes, Gibraltar as a whole is to this day formally acknowledged by the UN itself as a territory awaiting de-colonization. Anglos tend to forget thst.
Who cares what Spain claims - Gibraltar has and will be British longer than it was ever Spanish by the consent of the people 🇬🇮
@@ce1834 Consent of the people means little, since America, Indonesia, as well as many colonial powers ignored that to set up their territories. Flooding a country with your people to get a de jure claim based on ethnicity isn't exactly fair conduct.
@@prestongarvey4461 Not comparable, hilarious comparison, Spain was a colonial powerhouse too, like many territorial changes in Europe in history, they signed it away (310 years ago). Hope to see you campaigning for Ceuta and Melilla's union with Morocco too
@@ce1834 Ah but we are not defending Spain's claim to equatorial Guinea are we? No no my friend. Lawfully it is theirs.
Britain suffered because of bad governments making dumb decisions, it wasn't the EU that devalued the Pound for a while, nor was it EU immigration that became problematic for the UK. Housing, Rent, Food, everything is still going up in spite of your glamorous freedom, health care is falling sharply and overall no one has actually benefitted
British entitlement thinking you're still the powerful world power you once were doesn't fit with the Britain of today, even Thatcher made better decisions that you've all done lately.
Scotland voted to stay in the EU, Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU, Gibraltar voted to stay in the EU. The Conservative Party that brought us Brexit had been resoundingly removed from governernance. Brexit had been an unmitigated disaster, to the surprise of no one. So, why not just end this shit show of a situation and rejoin the EU?
Now the EU has a say, in fact EU's say, even the smallest or the newest of the EU's countries say, is way more important that UK's say.
When Brexit happened, many political analyst say that the UK would ask to come back in 10 years (2016-2026), and that France would say no.
You have to join the line. At the back. Work on fullfilling the requirments. No more rebates, no exemptions.
Oh, and how about keeping the deals you have made?
Thanks to Johnson & Farage and the people who voted to leave the EU The examples of negative effects runs into thousands It was the biggest political error in this century
Give it back to Spain would be the best option to avoid new conflicts! Those little territories are a pain in the neck of good relationships between countries involved. 😢
The residents voted to stay so the government is not allowed to give it back to Spain
@@Heneling I understand that. But it doesn't make any sense for any country to hold on far away territories which should be free to be independent. Of course people hold on to citizenship for obvious reasons, but it takes a lot of effort and money to keep those lands under control which originated from colonialism. Another example are Ceuta and Melilla which are a magnet for refugees leaving African countries and camping just outside the border in terrible conditions waiting to be able to go through and get in a boat to Europe.
@@simibro1709 Didn't you read what Heneling said? The people of Gibraltar don't want to become Spanish subjects. That's the point that sticks in the Spanish throat.
@@stephenpickering8063 that's why in my reply I implied that they probably don't want to lose they privileges and become "ordinary" citizens and learn Spanish. The same way for other territories (British or others). I get it, unfair or not is the way people vote.
@@stephenpickering8063
Well, they never were Spanish.
The real, original Spanish population was expelled.
So, leave the UK. Makes much more sense to be part of the EU than the UK.
Gibraltar is nothing other than a non-autonomous territory, subject to the decolonization process, in two words: a colony. In 1963 it was included in the UN list of territories to be decolonized and it has not left there. Since that year, therefore, the Special Committee of the United Nations in charge of examining the situation regarding the application of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, the so-called Committee of 24, has him among the territories under its jurisdiction. In 1964 this Committee reached a consensus on the situation in the non-self-governing territory of Gibraltar, urging the United Kingdom and Spain to begin talks without delay in order to find a negotiated solution. The following year the General Assembly endorsed the terms of the consensus and invited both nations to begin said conversations. Year after year the UN has maintained this mandate to the two states, which therefore remains fully in force. It is also interesting to note that the UN urges decolonisation in accordance with the principle of territorial integrity and not by virtue of any supposed right of self-determination of a hypothetical Gibraltarian "people" (in fact, in 1967 it condemned the referendum held in Gibraltar). It does establish, however, that the interests of the population of Gibraltar must be heard. For that they have an excellent channel: the British Government. The negotiation on sovereignty corresponds exclusively to London and Madrid. In short, for the UN what there is is a colonial situation that must be put to an end. Disputes between countries must be resolved in accordance with international legality, not according to the proclaimed will of a people. The British have always abused our good faith and our moments of weakness. Spain voluntarily established a neutral zone, while maintaining its exclusive sovereignty. In 1815, for humanitarian reasons and because of a yellow fever epidemic, the British were authorised to use it temporarily to build a sanitary camp, but this zone was never returned. The airport was built in 1938, in the middle of the Spanish Civil War, on the usurped isthmus, under the misleading name of ‘emergency landing strip’, later converted into an aerodrome, airport and finally, an air base. The fence had to be opened in 1986 because of the risk of the British exercising their veto on Spain's entry into the EU.
The EU is not doing anything. The UK wanted out of EU and they got it.
In Canada, US immigration officials conduct checks at Canadian airports for people flying into the United States. To have EU officials in Gibraltar is not as radical or scary as it has been portrayed.
We literally have “borders” in London, Dublin, and Paris too! Such a dumb thing to make a fuss about. It lowers friction and makes travel easier for both EU/UK tourists and US citizens so they don’t have to spend 15 hours in customs in New York or Houston!
There's already EU officials in London, Folkestone and Dover, and British officials in Paris, Calais and Brussels 🤣
Es el narcotráfico y la base nuclear lo que no queremos,RU no ha sido un buen socio y permite a las mafias operar en el estrecho,vemos como se refugian las lanchas de contrabando,narcotráfico,paso de personas,armamento nuclear......
@@johnflatt1288 Juxtaposed controls (in French: bureaux à contrôles nationaux juxtaposés, or "BCNJ"; in Dutch: kantoren waar de nationale controles van beide landen naast elkaar geschieden) are a reciprocal arrangement between Belgium, France, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom whereby border controls on certain cross-Channel routes take place before boarding the train or ferry, rather than upon arrival after disembarkation. With the exception of the Eurotunnel Shuttle route, customs checks remain unaffected by juxtaposed immigration controls and continue to take place upon arrival after disembarkation.[1] Belgium, France and the Netherlands are all member states of the European Union and part of the border-free Schengen Area. The United Kingdom, on the other hand, has never participated in the Schengen Area, even when it was a member state of the European Union. As a result, juxtaposed controls aim to increase the convenience and efficiency of border checks when travelling by train or ferry between the Schengen Area and the UK by removing the need for immigration checks on arrival and by streamlining checks on departure. At the same time, juxtaposed controls are intended to detect and prevent illegal immigration. In 2016, there were over 56,000 instances when people were refused entry to the UK at the juxtaposed controls.[2]
On 4 February 2020, the UK Transport Secretary, Grant Shapps, announced that passengers travelling on Eurostar from Amsterdam and Rotterdam to London would no longer have to disembark at Brussels-Midi station, go through immigration checks and then board another train before continuing their journey to London. According to the announcement, starting from 30 April 2020, passengers would go through juxtaposed controls in Amsterdam Centraal station before boarding the train, and starting from 18 May 2020, passengers would go through juxtaposed controls in Rotterdam Centraal station before boarding the train.[27][28] However, the inauguration of juxtaposed controls in Amsterdam Centraal and Rotterdam Centraal was postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.[29] Direct service between London, Rotterdam and Amsterdam subsequently commenced (together with the launch of juxtaposed controls) on 26 October 2020.[30][31]
why not, the EU needs to protect its borders from hostile countries....
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state.
We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission.
With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels.
When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left.
If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit.
It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc.
Re voting demographics, if it were just old people voting to leave then they would be like the Tories currently are, a complete electoral wipeout. There was only a very slight difference in age goups and cohorts. Lots of teenagers who had never voted before did so to leave, just as many elderly voted to remain. What's happening here is that an angry hard right of remoaners STILL don't accept democracy, which is the running theme of Trump supporters too. If you don't like democracy then you can either not vote, or you can move to an authoritarian country where you have no vote at all.
Whos being hostile?
@@PhoeniX199777 Clueless teenage remoaners.
@johnny71c Don't waste the wear and tear on your keyboard. Teenage Militant EU Remoaners are as clueless as they sound.
@johnny71c because Putin bought already your house of lords...
the UK dont want to make their new boss upset...right?
the UK is a security risk for Europe...
and they have barley anyone who would serve the military, because your Russian paid Tories starved your military to not existing...no wonder, Putin paid for it!
maybe you can ask your empire to send you some troops, but i assume, Gibraltar isnt that much populated!
Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of Britain's actions.
Just to clarify, most of the Spanish population do not care for Gibraltar. Only the far right is worried about it. Also, only one particular person in the Spanish football team did said that, the rest do not care.
Why does the author avoid saying the word "colony*? Why not talking of that the UK keeps colonies even within European territories?
Gibraltar stopped being Spanish in 1713, under a peace treaty signed following the War of the Spanish Succession. It's been separate for OVER 300 YEARS, with its own culture, language (Llanito) and people. It is not an oppressively occupied colony, and any suggestion otherwise is incredibly ignorant and stupid. What of Ceuta and Melilla? The hypocrisy is absurd. As others have noted, all that Spain would have in reclaiming Gibraltar is a collapsed economy there, ten thousand unemployed Andalusians, and a dramatic fall in revenue to Hacienda. It's jingoistic nonsense that benefits no-one. Gibraltar is used by Spanish politicians as a distraction tactic and to rile up pig-headed nationalism. Are you so easily led?
Because its not a Colony and even if they were they rather be a colony than join Spain
@@targpatience a bit of patience, please, no one wants anyone to get tilted by good old British nationalism. As in many other territories, the UK takes (sometimes by force, as in this case) a territory far away from its borders, fills it with settlers, and then tries to convince the occupied country to let the settlers decide as an autonomous region. If a region is rich because of the tax heaven the Brits have created there, or because of the military base they created before that, or because of whatever other reason, that is not an excuse for that territory not to be considered a colony. Maybe if the UK stopped being g n0cida1 for a single century they could start giving morality lessons.
@@targpatience Ceuta and Melilla were always Spanish
@@anonymoususer3561 Ha! I would suggest obtaining some basic understanding of history. Are you under the impression that Spain was always Spanish? Do you realise that Moorish rule of Spain was closer in time to Gibraltar's independence from Spain, than the latter is to the present day?
"Why the EU is about to impose a hard border in Gibraltar?"
Because Brexit means Brexit 😂
I don't get what Starmer is so afraid of, tbh. U-turning and going soft on Brexit would only split the opposition since vast majority of Labour voters are indifferent or pro EU. Meanwhile, U turning on Brexit would mean pissing off the Reform (which would strengthen Reform and weaken Conservatives) and splitting Conservatives down the middle between pro business moderates and Brexiteers. Split opposition is how Labour can win the next general election.
Because he loves laundering money.
I suggest you look at the highest Brexit voting areas and Labour voters, Labour are just as split as the Conservatives
Bro, labour is going to get destroyed in the next election.
he's afraid of the red wall, aka the english
I was thinking that now Labour are in, it would be easy to do a deal to allow Gibraltar to be part of Schengen. It was the mention of the RAF in this video that made me realise that it won't happen under any UK gov. Put simply, the UK army, navy and air force works need to provide the names, passports? of their personnel entering and then leaving Gibralta to EU Border Force. Not going to happen!
Remember when brexit vote was casted all brexiteers told me Spain needs them. It turns out that truth is somewhat different.
How long before the UK votes again on joining the EU? The "Leave" vote was funded by Russia, and it was very close. This time, "Remain" will be beyond question.
Very true but sadly it's not going to happen, we burnt the bridges, it will take a change of heart and many years to rejoin, definitely not in my life time.
Just a technical note: Schengen is not limited to mainland Europe, it includes Iceland, Malta as well as some outermost regions (e.g. Madeira or Azores).
Iceland was clearly included in the video graphics
Canary Islands
@@colinnich Yes but the narrator explicitly said "continental Europe" ;) Schengen goes well beyond that, it covers the entire EU except Ireland (because of CTA), Cyprus (because of occupation) and certain outermost regions where it wouldn't be practical (e.g. Saint Martin, Martinique, etc.).
Gilbratar is a spanish land, should be returned to Spain
Well, well, who would have thunk it ?
When you vote to leave the EU, you are no longer entitled to the benefits of membership .
It would be so much easier if they just returned gibraltar to Spain. Then none of this would he necessary
Spain could lead the way by returning Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco.
Not going to happen.
Gibraltar has been British longer than it has ever been Spanish. The Gibraltarians are not Spanish and do not wish to be part of Spain.
@@xergiok2322 Then the EU should build the wall
Yes, imperial UK deserves isolation
I recently divorced my wife. We are still working out our post-divorce relationship.
One thing that was never a discussion point was the fact she had to return the keys of our house and could not come and go as she pleased.
And why is that "our house" is "your house"?
@jpt3640 because she was very stupid and decided to pursue her delusions... this has led to her destroying a lot of wealth and imposes a lot of unnecessary cost on both parts.
And since she is not paying for anything she left behind, she also has no access to any of it. Or are you suggesting I should share my Netflix with her?
A divorce rescinds privileged access to the former spouse and all the benefits that came with marriage. Would be really silly if it were otherwise.
Why doesn't the UK just return this colony to Spain. It did with colonies in other continents.
Your map shows the Republic of Ireland in the same colour as the United Kingdom. We are part of the European Union and remain so despite the insanity of our neighbours.
Yeah but you are also in the CTA and that's lasted longer than the EU ever will and will in fact outlast the failing EU, how is the imposition of the illegal immigrants the EU has hit you with working out for you.
The only solution: return Gibraltar to Spain…
Was just in Gibralter a week ago and loved it. the guide told us thousands cross the border every day to come to work. This will be a catastrophe for Gibraltar.
And bad for Spain too. Those 15,000 workers would struggle to find work in nearby Spain which has a high unemployment rate. There is already a big problem with drug tafficking in the nearby area of La Linea. So if 15,000 more people don't have jobs then where will they turn?
@@Makiv-hj5xh No saying that all of them would be bribed or have no ethics. But when youve got a family to feed.. you'll go to lengths...
@@onlineamigaUhmmm, Ask Borris and Nigel for solutions. They are the ones with the big mouths😅
cerrar la verja como e n epoca del general Franco
@@Makiv-hj5xh Then Spain needs to make it viable to have more economic activity on the Spanish side. Seems like a Spain problem rather than a Gibraltar probem that there isnt more economic activity doesnt it?
And they can only dream of getting the rock back because thats never going to happen. So they might as well just move on and stop crying like babies who just dropped their ice cream. Move on. Its actually embarassing.
@TDLR The title is just not correct. The EU is not imposing anything. UK has left the EU, so there is a border. That's it. The only issue is that some English people and all of the Tories are mentally challenged understanding that.
No habrá ninguna frontera cuando el Reino Unido y sus colonos se vayan de ahí.
How many times do we get to hear, "before brexit, this worked well..."?
Did they ever solve the problem with pallet standards? Because as a US truck driver, LOL.
you should keep hearing about brexit for as long as it hurts england, which is forever
@@andresmayo9327 I mean, fair enough. Too bad queen What's-her-name didn't stop it.
Answer: the British economy
We'll keep hearing it until it isn't true anymore.
There are two ways. One is separatism and Brexit, which makes life difficult in Gibraltar.
Or a deal with Spain and Gibraltar as part of the EU, which makes things easier for the people in Gibraltar.
In my opinion, citizens of Gibraltar can retain access to the Schengen area while other UK citizens remain excluded. This is a problem that London has to solve.
Co-sovereignty is the best solution.
Why doesn’t uk take the solution used for Northern Ireland
@@DummyUseless-er3dn Brexiteers don't want it, at least the hardcore Reform lads don't. The NI deal is extremely unpopular with hardline Brexiteers because as discussed in the video it moves these regions closer to the EU and economically separates them from the UK. They should have thought about this before leaving the EU.
Takes to sides to agree unfortunately, London can make proposals all it wants but ultimately it will take sensible decision makers on both sides to resolve it.
There is a third clear "elephant in the room" option...
Gibraltar, unlike other British overseas territory, by the very international treaty that established it, doesn't have its own jurisdiction and, therefore, it's not a sovereign territory.
The drugs smugglers and money launderers would need to find another cozy place to operate
Gibraltar is a Spanish territory occupied by British afterall.
Gibraltar being a British territory is an archaic holdover from the War of Spanish Succession in 1704. Just give the place back to Spain, keeping it is just not worth the hassle.
Will Spain hand its territories to Morocco? Quite frankly, the logic should apply to every single overseas territory controlled by EU countries
... so be the first and give it away to show good faith and character? weak logical argument. we wont cause others wont. quite cowardly
@BocaoZ but but it's just the evil UK at it, everyone else is a victim. 😂😂😂
Give Melilla and Ceuta back to Morocco.
@@chrisstein5486you can't give back to morocco something that was never theirs.
The only solutions are to go independent or to be part of Spain. Geographically it doesn't make sense for it to be British anymore.
Time Gibraltar went back to Spain. Time Ireland was free and united. Time Scotland was independent. Negotiations with the english is a historical waste of time and perpetuates injustice.
About to? From the Spanish side it seems already like an hard border for me. Last Sunday I went to La Línea, near the border with Gibraltar, and the situation there compared to a few years ago is very, very different.
Its a cesspit on the other side i lived there for 6 years and the difference in quality of life for locals is astounding. this whole thing is rooted in jealousy...
@@djkemaito9597 I mean, you're somewhat right - La Línea is way poorer than Gibraltar. You could say that La Línea (and the Bay of Algeciras in general) is like the European equivalent of Tijuana - lots of poverty, drugs and crimes. Meanwhile Gibraltar is one of the richest places on Earth, on GDP per capita figures.
I simply couldn't get into Gibraltar because I don't have neither a passport nor a driving license to get into British territory.
@@diogorodrigues747 And haven't you ever wondered why it is so? Who handles the tobaco and drugs smuggling, who launders the money afterwards? Who would ever dare to create a company in el Campo de la Linea if they can enjoy 0 taxes in Gibraltar?
And why pateras never arrive to Gibraltar? Doesn't it look strange to you?
@@diogorodrigues747Dude, comparing in to Tijuana is a stretch. Some zones of La Línea and Algeciras may be more problematic than the average, but at the same time, the Campo de Gibraltar contains rich urbanizations such as Sotogrande or La Alcaidesa. There is a problem regarding drugs, but the whole zone is not like that.
Why on earth would Britain continue to have an interest in Gibraltar it’s not as if Britain has an Empire any longer and the need of a secure entrance into the Mediterranean
People live there
Delusions of empire.
@@ab-ym3bfExactly .
It's amazing the trap the uk got into with the whole brexit story. As a qualified Spanish professional which used to live and work in the UK, I can only say it's your loss. Switzerland can take my work and knowledge instead, I also get a better retribution and feel more welcome here.