Bro! I am 38...never owned a GameCube...this guide is a godsend! Even the wiki use language but doesn't identify what buttons you need to use to get an down tilt...no notation! Nada! This was amazing!
There are many people like me who want to play melee better with their friends but don't know where to go. Thanks for compiling it into one video! The timestamps are very clutch
Remember that there’s no buffer so if your too quick with your inputs they won’t register, at least on console I haven’t played slippi but that tripped me up heavily trying to learn melee coming from ult.
@@aking1591 yea this is a huge difference between the two. It adds a significant timing aspect to the game which make it feel more interesting in the same way skateboarding or learning guitar does imo
for xbox and playstation controllers i’ve found that setting the radius to .75 for the sticks results in perfect setup btw. helps with tilts and analog stick controllers
I've been playing the game since launch and dip in and out of playing competitive Melee on a casual level, and I was blown away with how outdated some of my knowledge was and just how good the tools we have to practice with. Great video!
Appreciate this guide. Theres a couple things here that I actually didnt know about, even being into competitive Melee for as long as I have. I don't necessarily feel the desire to learn how to do all the advanced stuff, but it does motivate me a little more to know better how. I just love playing the game regardless, the competition, and the communities🥰
12:40 light shielding can also be done by holding z after doing an action w/ endlag, so it's not limited to analog however, you can't freely control the shield's size the way you can with an analog, so if you're using keyboard you'll only either be doing maximum (hardshield) or minimum (lightshields)
This is an amazing guide! For new players: L-Cancel is an essential technique, but it has a lockout function. In other words, if you mash L/R as you are about to land, the game will only allow the first inputted L/R button press rather than allowing all presses within a certain time frame. This applies to teching as well, so you’ll hear “tech lockout” sometimes because someone tried to input L-Cancel, got hit immediately, tried to tech, but because of inputting for L-Cancel will always fail to tech if this entire interaction happens within a certain amount of frames. TL;DR Melee will punish you for mashing L/R to L-Cancel and tech so try to get used to pressing the shield button once rather than mashing it.
Correction: L-cancel does not have a lockout function actually. And ontop of that, tech / break fall lockout is 20 frames and only applies if u full press L or R down fully (Hard pressing) . So if u want to L-cancel without being in tech lockout u can actually soft press L or R, or use Z, in fact u can spam those and it won’t tech lock u out. Yet it still applies multiple L-cancel inputs (which last 7 frames long). Very nuiance and kina complicated, didn’t wanna go into it for a beginner guide but if anyone reads this here’s the info. Edit: more about the lockout of tech thing. When u hard press L or R. The game does a 40 frame counter. The first 20 frames, if u hit the stage within that first 20 frames, u do a successful tech. If u did not hit the stage in those first 20, The next 20 frames u are locked out and cannot tech anything.
guide went crazy. picked up melee this month and have been practicing the movement techniques on UP. my biggest struggle is remembering to do them in actual matches lul
Reminds me of when I was starting out and found Wak107's "Advanced How To Play" videos. Very well done Ludvix. Keep the spark alive for the next generation.
Thanks so much for this guide. I've loved this game since I was a kid and recently got into watching it competitively. I'd love to be able to play it to some semblance of a high level but just have to get started. This helped me with understanding a lot of interactions I've seen a lot better.
Cool video! Personally, I feel like there are certain things that should have been discussed earlier, and certain things that weren't gone over at all. DI is a very basic technique and is almost instinctual - It definitely shouldn't be one of the last things discussed. It could've also been mentioned that DI has to be inputted while you're getting hit or pre-emptively and DI doesn't affect you while you're already being launched. Some of the more difficult techniques - Ledge Dash, Shield Dropping, Edge Cancelling seem haphazardly spread throughout the video with no indication of the fact that they are more difficult than the rest of the techniques (with the exception of stating a good ledgedash is hard) Probably should have warned about overuse of rolls and airdodges No mention of slight-up to prevent tap jumping while up-tilting iirc No boost grabbing Warning against maining multiple characters Some other stuff probably IN GENERAL, I feel like advanced techniques are better conveyed in documents or dedicated videos. I personally am making a google doc that covers a bunch of important techniques and a separate document that helps with choosing your main. Regardless, this is definitely a helpful guide for new players.
Good points, mostly wanted it to be more on where to start and the idea of the movements, so at least they can watch a pro match and decipher what’s happening. That way this video isn’t like one hour long. All great points mentioned
Thank you so much I’ve been wanting to play melee for a long time because of how much i enjoyed your videos. Now that you’ve finally made the tutorial, I can now have a shot at playing the game and learn how to play the game and hopefully become as good as you. Thank you ludvix, you have no idea how much this tutorial means to me.
What a Nice thought at the end of the video it felt so nice to hear those words because you notice when someone tells you something that came from his heart
@@MYSTI_SYKO505 hi there! it's been fun tho actually. Trying a completely new things and actually getting better at this. The hardest thing might be finding a time to play melee, but overall it's been fun!
Was looking for something like this a while ago. One video that goes over the basics, so you know what you need to look up further. Also the only video I've seen that actually defines neutral and punish game as well as edge guarding :D
I've been a competitive player for a while so I didn't learn anything, but I love the game so much it was still fun to watch lol. A while back I was actually looking for a super basic movement tutorial I could use to explain to someone the very basics of movement in Melee, and to my surprise I couldn't find anything. This is perfect.
Woah, this is an actual competent guide, I expected this to be a bit for 40 seconds or so before papa johns would come out of the woodwork and start raptor boosting off the stage. Sick guide Ludwig.
Honestly I don’t see it as something important, but yeah u can do them. didn’t want to highlight it. (Not very often u even see people charging smash attacks, the opportunity for them rarely opens)
This is why I love Melee. The fandom tho it may be biased in what’s their fav in the series (brawl is superior btw) they are willing to let other people join the fandom and even teach them how to get good.
6:42 I would not tell people that shielding in the air does an air dodge, but fully pressing down the L/R trigger will air dodge. 8:17 when you're teaching them about teching, you also did not mention it needs to be a full L/R press for the tech to come out. I guess it would be easy for them to figure out, but not hard pressing L/R for l canceling is a good practice and just saying shield in the air might confuse them later on. 9:30 I would teach people the dash dance range by getting them to do many full single dashes, instead of trying to look for a visual que such as how many times their leg moves. Edit: This is a pretty good general overview for people that are getting into the game or have not been exposed to it before. Nice stuff man.
Good points, but it’s cleaner n more simpler for a newplayer guide to not need to mention about full press. Since new players may be playing without light press anyway. Also if they did have it they would probably figure it out pretty fast. Same reason why I left out that soft pressed count toward a smooth land/L-cancel. Just easier to consume and makes it sound less complicated edit: and also good point on the dash dance tip
@@Ludvix You did a good job explaining things without overcomplicated jargon. I think less is more when you're trying to get people into the game. Such as how you just said tapping A does a get up attack, but I think I mainly use B to do that. I just thought it was a small detail worth mentioning the hard press, but I respect your intention behind why you did it that way :)
Idk if you'll see this comment, but thank you from the bottom of my heart for this, I had just about given up trying to install melee bc no one would give me any idea how.
A good guide, marred only slightly by having DI after so much more advanced stuff, imo. I think dash dancing, wave dashing, SHFFLing, and DI should be the first four things a beginner should learn, in that order (or swap DI and SHFFLing if they're learning a more grounded character like Sheik or Marth).
@@Ludvix I can see that, but when a shiek is f tilting you five times in a row and then someone just says "hold away" and suddenly you can escape, it feels like the whole world opens up. At least, that's how it felt to me.
great stuff duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude you can also do smash atks with holding A and a direction, so can also charge the smash. kinda important could also do A + c-stick but kinda nonsense
This is an amazing resource for new players! The only issue I have is that you didnt clarify smash vs tilt inputs, specifically you never talked about using the left stick for smash attacks. Accidentally smashing or tap jumping is a super common mistake when new players try to do tilts, and its really frustrating if you don't understand what youre doing wrong. Also for shield dropping you only want to go to the corner notch not a full quarter circle
To anyone who wants to learn how to shield drop, don't do the quarter circle down after you shield cause that is hard and you will often roll or sidestep. Hold left or right, then shield, then roll the stick quarter circle down from there and it will automatically shield drop.
Good guide. It started off at a good pace, but especially for beginners it would be helpful to go a bit slower and in a bit more depth in the second half of the video.
6:57 it's actually more important to *not* use your double jump if you can make it back with just your up-b as you can preserve your jump for if you get knocked back again without landing/grabbing ledge
Tho that is true, after watching a lot of friends getting into the game they usually jus die unless thev used their jump too in order 2 reach ledge. Which is why I emphasized it. Also it’s good later on in skill level to save jump in order to sweetspot dj to ledge (spacies do this a lot with shinestall) or to fadeback after dj. and saving dj after a insta up-B is also a good option too like u mentioned
@@Ludvix sweetspot dj is really risky, especially against characters like marth and falco, whose spikes cover the ledge for free (just realized you never mentioned meteor cancelling and spikes oof) saving dj for post-gimps is also tricky if you use tap-jump (like i do lol) since u can't easily input up-b w/o jumping, it's probably one of the reasons why most players i see turn it off (disregard puff players, their jumps are their recovery), even if the tap jump buffer can help for escaping combos
All good mentions and theory for mixups and micro play but not a place for a beginner guide, mightttttt make a more advanced guide that goes into nuance stuff like softpress Lcancel being better(3 frame buffer tap jump good for certain situations where u want the execution 2b easier) and more on theory like that but we’ll see, thanks for the mentions
This is actually a solid guide. As the game does continue to see many players, it’s important that newcomers have a place to begin
🤓
Bro! I am 38...never owned a GameCube...this guide is a godsend! Even the wiki use language but doesn't identify what buttons you need to use to get an down tilt...no notation! Nada! This was amazing!
@@unoriginalspinn8756 smartest youtube commenter
@@unoriginalspinn8756bros acting like we're not watching the exact same video
I love that melee still thrives. These new netplay pandemic players are cracked.
There are many people like me who want to play melee better with their friends but don't know where to go. Thanks for compiling it into one video! The timestamps are very clutch
The learning curve is steep, but once it clicks, it clicks forever.
Remember that there’s no buffer so if your too quick with your inputs they won’t register, at least on console I haven’t played slippi but that tripped me up heavily trying to learn melee coming from ult.
@@aking1591 yea this is a huge difference between the two. It adds a significant timing aspect to the game which make it feel more interesting in the same way skateboarding or learning guitar does imo
for xbox and playstation controllers i’ve found that setting the radius to .75 for the sticks results in perfect setup btw. helps with tilts and analog stick controllers
What are your configurations for ps4?
Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Xbox Series X???
thank
Super valuable resource. Might need to add this to BlippiGG.
I've been playing the game since launch and dip in and out of playing competitive Melee on a casual level, and I was blown away with how outdated some of my knowledge was and just how good the tools we have to practice with. Great video!
thank u! love to hear that
Appreciate this guide. Theres a couple things here that I actually didnt know about, even being into competitive Melee for as long as I have. I don't necessarily feel the desire to learn how to do all the advanced stuff, but it does motivate me a little more to know better how. I just love playing the game regardless, the competition, and the communities🥰
12:40
light shielding can also be done by holding z after doing an action w/ endlag, so it's not limited to analog
however, you can't freely control the shield's size the way you can with an analog, so if you're using keyboard you'll only either be doing maximum (hardshield) or minimum (lightshields)
Man, seeing a new guide for new players of this great game 20+ years after its release is so... idk, heartwarming.
This is my push to get into Slippi. Thank you!
been playing for 2 decades (fug im old) but man it's good to revisit and consider the fundies again thank you! great video!
This is an amazing guide! For new players: L-Cancel is an essential technique, but it has a lockout function. In other words, if you mash L/R as you are about to land, the game will only allow the first inputted L/R button press rather than allowing all presses within a certain time frame. This applies to teching as well, so you’ll hear “tech lockout” sometimes because someone tried to input L-Cancel, got hit immediately, tried to tech, but because of inputting for L-Cancel will always fail to tech if this entire interaction happens within a certain amount of frames.
TL;DR Melee will punish you for mashing L/R to L-Cancel and tech so try to get used to pressing the shield button once rather than mashing it.
Correction: L-cancel does not have a lockout function actually. And ontop of that, tech / break fall lockout is 20 frames and only applies if u full press L or R down fully (Hard pressing) . So if u want to L-cancel without being in tech lockout u can actually soft press L or R, or use Z, in fact u can spam those and it won’t tech lock u out. Yet it still applies multiple L-cancel inputs (which last 7 frames long). Very nuiance and kina complicated, didn’t wanna go into it for a beginner guide but if anyone reads this here’s the info.
Edit: more about the lockout of tech thing. When u hard press L or R. The game does a 40 frame counter. The first 20 frames, if u hit the stage within that first 20 frames, u do a successful tech. If u did not hit the stage in those first 20, The next 20 frames u are locked out and cannot tech anything.
guide went crazy. picked up melee this month and have been practicing the movement techniques on UP. my biggest struggle is remembering to do them in actual matches lul
Is this the real Luvdix with real informative content? This is an immediate watch.
This guide is gonna be real helpful. Thank you Ludvix homie! Gonna use this when I have time.
It's an actual guide pog
Reminds me of when I was starting out and found Wak107's "Advanced How To Play" videos. Very well done Ludvix. Keep the spark alive for the next generation.
Ive been playing since 2016 and I still enjoyed this video. Knew everything but its good to have this great vid for when your friends come around.
Thanks so much for this guide. I've loved this game since I was a kid and recently got into watching it competitively. I'd love to be able to play it to some semblance of a high level but just have to get started. This helped me with understanding a lot of interactions I've seen a lot better.
Cool video! Personally, I feel like there are certain things that should have been discussed earlier, and certain things that weren't gone over at all.
DI is a very basic technique and is almost instinctual - It definitely shouldn't be one of the last things discussed. It could've also been mentioned that DI has to be inputted while you're getting hit or pre-emptively and DI doesn't affect you while you're already being launched.
Some of the more difficult techniques - Ledge Dash, Shield Dropping, Edge Cancelling seem haphazardly spread throughout the video with no indication of the fact that they are more difficult than the rest of the techniques (with the exception of stating a good ledgedash is hard)
Probably should have warned about overuse of rolls and airdodges
No mention of slight-up to prevent tap jumping while up-tilting iirc
No boost grabbing
Warning against maining multiple characters
Some other stuff probably
IN GENERAL, I feel like advanced techniques are better conveyed in documents or dedicated videos. I personally am making a google doc that covers a bunch of important techniques and a separate document that helps with choosing your main.
Regardless, this is definitely a helpful guide for new players.
Good points, mostly wanted it to be more on where to start and the idea of the movements, so at least they can watch a pro match and decipher what’s happening. That way this video isn’t like one hour long. All great points mentioned
The video is perfect as is! No changes needed to be made.
I need this spreadsheet! No idea who to main!
@@BelemrysI'm not sure if I'm actually able to share google docs on youtube (spam filter and all). I'll try to send it in a separate reply.
@@Belemrys It's certainly not perfect, but here goes: docs.google.com/document/d/1KZj4J2cxjFwx9phDR9UMg4hKE3aF9w6_2cL1rSbqF4Q/edit
Thank you so much I’ve been wanting to play melee for a long time because of how much i enjoyed your videos. Now that you’ve finally made the tutorial, I can now have a shot at playing the game and learn how to play the game and hopefully become as good as you. Thank you ludvix, you have no idea how much this tutorial means to me.
As someone who’s just started playing melee this is nice
What a Nice thought at the end of the video it felt so nice to hear those words because you notice when someone tells you something that came from his heart
Just starting to learn melee because it seems like a great game, thank you for the video.
we love having more new people! thanks for playing
I know im super late but hows it goin?
@@MYSTI_SYKO505 hi there! it's been fun tho actually. Trying a completely new things and actually getting better at this. The hardest thing might be finding a time to play melee, but overall it's been fun!
These 3 week old comments were made by wizards
Not the typical content, but incredibly good for new players!
Was looking for something like this a while ago. One video that goes over the basics, so you know what you need to look up further.
Also the only video I've seen that actually defines neutral and punish game as well as edge guarding :D
Great guide, thx so much for explaining analog triggers for me because i had them turned off but will definetly bind them for the light sheild!!!
Nobody:
Me, that had been playing this game for six years: interesting guide, I should watch it all the way through 😂
I've been a competitive player for a while so I didn't learn anything, but I love the game so much it was still fun to watch lol. A while back I was actually looking for a super basic movement tutorial I could use to explain to someone the very basics of movement in Melee, and to my surprise I couldn't find anything. This is perfect.
this actually finally helped with me understanding di after playing it for 5 years! thanks lovedicks
yeah di be confusing lol
Man I heard your voice in a Veloren setup guide and i had to come check your channel back out lol glad to see new videos
Veloren is goated
This is the video I’ve been looking for! Great job and ty!
now this is real melee content
Two great melee guys
the 16 frames PICHU gets for a galint ledgedash "feels" like leftover code by the cheating pichu kid
A really solid guide! I will definitely spam this to all my friends
Its crazy a big streamer like slime is soo humble to make a guide like this
I just got my first PC a couple days ago and wanted to get back into Melee this guide is super helpful thanks my guy
Been watching melee content (lots of ludvix and asumsauce) for years. Finally installed the game yesterday. Wish me luck
Really nice guide! i just started playing Melee and couldn't find anything, so thanks a lot!
Woah, this is an actual competent guide, I expected this to be a bit for 40 seconds or so before papa johns would come out of the woodwork and start raptor boosting off the stage.
Sick guide Ludwig.
nice
This is no meme the best guide I've seen
respectfully watching so i can respect professional gameplay more :3
Solid Guide. I do think you missed to mention charged smash attacks? I might've missed it though.
God I miss playing melee almost 20 years ago.
Honestly I don’t see it as something important, but yeah u can do them. didn’t want to highlight it. (Not very often u even see people charging smash attacks, the opportunity for them rarely opens)
amazing. thank you ludvix and see you all on unranked
Really cool to help people find the tools they need to play our admittedly not the most accessible game
Huge. I needed this. Thank you
This is why I love Melee. The fandom tho it may be biased in what’s their fav in the series (brawl is superior btw) they are willing to let other people join the fandom and even teach them how to get good.
I love you ludvix, thanks for this guide, this will infiltrate many of my DMs
Thank you for this!
The controller on the top is super useful, tysm
6:42 I would not tell people that shielding in the air does an air dodge, but fully pressing down the L/R trigger will air dodge.
8:17 when you're teaching them about teching, you also did not mention it needs to be a full L/R press for the tech to come out.
I guess it would be easy for them to figure out, but not hard pressing L/R for l canceling is a good practice and just saying shield in the air might confuse them later on.
9:30 I would teach people the dash dance range by getting them to do many full single dashes, instead of trying to look for a visual que such as how many times their leg moves.
Edit: This is a pretty good general overview for people that are getting into the game or have not been exposed to it before. Nice stuff man.
Good points, but it’s cleaner n more simpler for a newplayer guide to not need to mention about full press. Since new players may be playing without light press anyway. Also if they did have it they would probably figure it out pretty fast. Same reason why I left out that soft pressed count toward a smooth land/L-cancel. Just easier to consume and makes it sound less complicated
edit: and also good point on the dash dance tip
@@Ludvix You did a good job explaining things without overcomplicated jargon. I think less is more when you're trying to get people into the game.
Such as how you just said tapping A does a get up attack, but I think I mainly use B to do that.
I just thought it was a small detail worth mentioning the hard press, but I respect your intention behind why you did it that way :)
solid video, good work
Best video for new players I've seen
This guide is sure to help new players get the hang of things in this game we all love and enjoy.
Idk if you'll see this comment, but thank you from the bottom of my heart for this, I had just about given up trying to install melee bc no one would give me any idea how.
A good guide, marred only slightly by having DI after so much more advanced stuff, imo. I think dash dancing, wave dashing, SHFFLing, and DI should be the first four things a beginner should learn, in that order (or swap DI and SHFFLing if they're learning a more grounded character like Sheik or Marth).
i was scared di was too like complicated, basing this off my own experience with new players friends i taught
@@Ludvix I can see that, but when a shiek is f tilting you five times in a row and then someone just says "hold away" and suddenly you can escape, it feels like the whole world opens up. At least, that's how it felt to me.
great stuff duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
you can also do smash atks with holding A and a direction, so can also charge the smash.
kinda important
could also do A + c-stick but kinda nonsense
I’ll give it a shot, I’ll just have hook up my old GameCube to practice
16:26 Shoutouts to boatfullofseamen!
doing the lord's work
appreciate this video i dont plan on playing again but this is good content :)
This is an amazing resource for new players! The only issue I have is that you didnt clarify smash vs tilt inputs, specifically you never talked about using the left stick for smash attacks. Accidentally smashing or tap jumping is a super common mistake when new players try to do tilts, and its really frustrating if you don't understand what youre doing wrong. Also for shield dropping you only want to go to the corner notch not a full quarter circle
How on earth did i simply have the thought about looking up a beginner's guide and this popped up.
Amazing guide, thanks man
Edit: Thank u BoatFullOfSemen 🥰
To anyone who wants to learn how to shield drop, don't do the quarter circle down after you shield cause that is hard and you will often roll or sidestep. Hold left or right, then shield, then roll the stick quarter circle down from there and it will automatically shield drop.
yeah its also dependent on controller, i got some where i barley needed go down and it drops
16:26 the whiplash i got hearing that man
Wow this is heaven sent
Good guide. It started off at a good pace, but especially for beginners it would be helpful to go a bit slower and in a bit more depth in the second half of the video.
I don't even play melee competitively, but this was still very interesting and insightful :)
Both aerials and L canceling can also be done with Z
Lol i thought this video was going to just be every time Papajohns SD'd or something lol
Great tutorial!
Some people say all friend groups have a dumb one but, all of my friends are really smart...
Very good video :)
Thank you, very cool!
that feeling when hands too slow and brain too smooth to play melee but you watched this video anyways
I still can’t play falco as fast as possible LOL love the game still
Great guide
Guide on how to access Hyperbolic Time Chamber like Papa John next???
A Melee guide that actually uses official terms? Give this man a raise!
Magi clips = goated guide
I appreciate the guide man! It's helping me put the pieces together 💪
Glad I could help!
Nice
how
One of the better players
big w for ludvix as always
Ayo make sure Papa Johns knows about this. Great info
6:57
it's actually more important to *not* use your double jump if you can make it back with just your up-b as you can preserve your jump for if you get knocked back again without landing/grabbing ledge
Tho that is true, after watching a lot of friends getting into the game they usually jus die unless thev used their jump too in order 2 reach ledge. Which is why I emphasized it. Also it’s good later on in skill level to save jump in order to sweetspot dj to ledge (spacies do this a lot with shinestall) or to fadeback after dj. and saving dj after a insta up-B is also a good option too like u mentioned
@@Ludvix sweetspot dj is really risky, especially against characters like marth and falco, whose spikes cover the ledge for free (just realized you never mentioned meteor cancelling and spikes oof)
saving dj for post-gimps is also tricky if you use tap-jump (like i do lol) since u can't easily input up-b w/o jumping, it's probably one of the reasons why most players i see turn it off (disregard puff players, their jumps are their recovery), even if the tap jump buffer can help for escaping combos
All good mentions and theory for mixups and micro play but not a place for a beginner guide, mightttttt make a more advanced guide that goes into nuance stuff like softpress Lcancel being better(3 frame buffer tap jump good for certain situations where u want the execution 2b easier) and more on theory like that but we’ll see, thanks for the mentions
@@Ludvix Happy to’ve helped :D
melee is sick
melee intro tutorial music goated
Keeping this game alive ❤️
want to do melee content. this helped alot.
There are way more resources now than when I was learning this stuff
thanks so much
I’m 33 and this my first year playing (and owning) Melee 🙏🏾
It’s never too late :) welcome! Also I think majority of the demographic is around that age too
Thank you Ludvix. I am looking to get started on my Melee Journey. Would it be weird if I asked for games? I would love to learn more about Merlee!
Says the man that got 25th at a recent Major 😂 id get destroyed
@@Ludvix but thats what we wanna see tho
thank you
In the light shield section you should have mentioned their downside
:) this is dope
Damn idek why I watched this whole video I don’t even play melee
This video is for absolute beginners, you're actually the target audience ;)
LMAOOOO