As a retired ATCO could not believe that response, replayed the video to check, "did he really say that". Totally unprofessional. Love your videos, keep up the good work
I loved Kevin‘s commentary and educational points between 1130 and 1230. Wanted to hear more about the ATC side. The controller was stressed and you saw him probably at his worst. He got better and it was nice to see you guys give him a chance. Thanks for all the hard work.
I could be wrong, but (lacking any other viable explanation) because he copped an immediate attitude and afterwards said he was “working a lot of other planes that were already IFR,” I think the controller was trying to convey that he was a little miffed that they didn’t pick up their clearance in advance on the ground, so they could be sequenced with other IFR traffic accordingly.
As a pilot here in the busy SoCal airspace, I’ve come across my fair share of rude controllers. But that guy took the cake! Kudos to you both for keeping your cool and not participating in such unprofessional behavior. Keep up the amazing videos.
Please don't ever stop the videos. You are a lovely couple. So well matched. The plane's great. Your country's great. Keep filming and editing please. I certainly appreciate all the effort.
Great job as usual. Can’t believe the controller and Kevin you did a great job. Mindy, I love your explanations and teaching ability. Keep making these great videos! ✌️❤️🙏👍🥃
Love the explanation from an ATC perspective, Kevin. Obviously saying something snarky back wouldn't be productive and would likely make it worse but I'd like to think I would be able to bite my tongue as well as you both did in that situation.
SCHMIINDY!!! Yes, we appreciate you and all the "fun" you have with technical fails. But I really enjoy watching you fly - your professionalism is awesome to watch and sets a high bar for all pilots! CAVU!
I think you guys handled it perfectly. With a response like that just ask if there's anything they want you to do in the meantime and hang out. It was just under 2.5 minutes until he got back to you. Yeah, people get busy. You don't know what pilot you are working with and you could add a lot of undue stress to particular pilots which can make the airspace less safe. Spot on with the feedback in the air about how ATC could have responded differently.
As I was watching this video, I thought I am definitely going to respond by sending a comment and thanking you for taking the time to make this video and all the others. As an aviation content, creator myself, I know all the hard work it takes to not only edit the videos, but to prepare yourself,, and the cameras to make it all come together. And even when you lay down the best plans, something does always seem to happen. So I am responding to your request and sending you a little shout out, and showing some love for the hard work you put in to your channel. Fly well!
Greetings from PEI CANADA. Excellent job as always on the videos, the fact that you continue to create content through challenges will only make followers appreciate you more. Props to you for keeping it real and forging through it. The videos are fantastic, really appreciate the work and dedication it takes to get to what we see. Thank you for your effort!
Thank you for the videos despite your technical issues, they are still great. BTW great learning moments for a low time pilot with your discussion about ATC.
I know I am thankful for your YT videos, and I thank you both ! Also, great patience on you both holding your tongue with that rude controller. Love when you both fly... stay safe and again, thanks for the videos, CYA
That was a poor show from the controller, he basically left you high and dry! Imagine if it was a rookie pilot being treated like that and not a seasoned pro like yourself, Mindy! Awesome video Mindy, that approach was just spectacular👌
Makers is a great distillery tour and tasting. Also Castle & Key (option for ferry ride), Willett (great food), Woodford, Four Roses, and Louisville’s Peerless and Angel’s Envy (Mussel & Burger bar nearby). The cooperage tour is well worth it also.
Most definitely appreciate all of your videos and adventures !! My own GoPro likes to turn off all by itself for no reason , far too often :) Great flying along with you two
Dang man, she’s an AWESOME pilot AND she loves bourbon!!! Don’t ever do her wrong man, that’s a keeper! lol. Great video and thanks for taking us along. Cheers! 🥃🥃🇺🇸🇺🇸
I would be willing to bet that at least one controller in the Atlanta center watches Mindy’s channel and has pointed it out to the guy. It is likely now that everyone knows, including the boss.
“Roger, I’ll do a VFR hold 3000 ft right in the way of departures. Or you can give me an altitude that lets you clear me, or a direction that gives horizontal clearance”
Before flying in a Cessna 182 I always eat a healthy breakfast of psychedelic mushrooms. I live in Romania. so the the panic that ensues.. never reaches the news. Mindy dear Smindy.. please fly by my house.. it is a good house.❤
Hope you enjoyed the bourbon trail! I went to prep school with Julian Van Winkle (way back in the late '60's) who is now famous for the "Pappy" brands. His family does bourbon right. And thanks for the flight video and comments on the ATCO controller. Hope you followup with them. Thanks and stay safe!! Always enjoy flying with you!
I grew up drinking unfiltered, untreated well water out of a hose. Also, we visited Bardstown this year (on a tour van) and had a great time tasting some delicious ... beverages. Highly recommended.
Even if he said something to the effect of "Hey N3802D I'm a bit busy right now as the only controller (or one of two or three controllers) on duty handling X number of aircraft, contact me (or I'll contact you) in about 5 - 10 minutes as I expect to be less busy then and we can get your IFR clearance on the go. Meanwhile maintain VFR" even if his phrasing was not exactly standard/proper, it would have been better than what he actually said. To Kevin's point about gravy - I like a good white or sausage gravy here. Also for Mindy - I enjoy a good Bourbon as well.
Hey @Schmiiindy why not get your release on the ground? Kevin was 100% correct about that controller’s phraseology (or lack thereof), but why not just call and get your release on the ground and then just check-in normally? I can tell you up there in N90 (NE), you gotta do that or you will be waiting a lot more than 5 minutes (though they might do what Kevin says and give you a local squawk and just say, “remain VFR”).
Friends keep asking me why I don't get a Cirrus or move up to a Diamond DA 50. I love my 182. It may not fly as high or as fast, but I love the airplane.
Some people have their own ways of doing things. And they don’t care about how it ought to be done. They don’t care how what they do affects others. They just think they’re entitled to doing things their way. And I’m sick and tired of these people whoever they are. There is a reason why flying is far safer than driving on the ground!!!
Are you talking about pilots taking off without getting clearance delivery on the ground when it is available, same as at a controlled airport? Or the controller not giving out the clearance immediately in the air? Both may apply here.
Little does that ATC jacka$$ know, y'all rock the YT world! Ya know- they're saying Georgia is the new Florida (because of all of the hurricanes down there!), so c'mon back!
That was fascinating and pretty disturbing. This doesn’t mean anything other than to say, I flew a lot, owned 2 different airplanes with partners maybe before you both were born. Maybe when you were newborns. Here is the deal. I live vicariously through you and others like you. I’d actually like to fly again and maybe one day will figure it out. That exchange caused me pause. I get it, I’m sure that controller was very busy. The exchange was simply not ok. What if you were about to go actual or you knew you were 60 seconds from going actual. It’s like social media in general, be careful what you say and how you say it because you WILL light up the string. That controller was simply out of line. They should never create confusion and unease in the cockpit. Why? Because you are in the air, possibly moments from going actual and he’s on the ground drinking coffee he’s very unlikely to die for unnecessary reasons. That’s just my observation.
I thought I drank Kentucky and Tennessee dry in 1982-83 when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell, Ky. Thought that’s why they sent me to W. Germany for 4 years. Oh well. Enjoy! • AH-1 Crew Chief & A&P. 67Y20
I’ve never heard the term “looking for instruments.” Is that in the guide somewhere? He may have thought you were looking for flight following or a pop-up, or more likely he’s just nudging people to request CD on the ground by VHF or phone (out of Falcon, Speedway, etc.), instead of when airborne. I kind of feel him. Loading vectors on the approach is fairly unpopular. Just as easy to load the expected IAF (ESSEV), gives the most options.
Can't believe all these idiots calling teardrop turns to downwind at your airport, someone is going to have a midair eventually. That is a dangerous maneuver in a traffic pattern.
What a classy lady and professional pilot. To take that kind of abuse from a controller and keep your cool and keep flying not missing a beat. He reminds me of the controllers I encountered often flying in the 1980’s. We all know what happened after that little contest between the union and president Reagan.
Enjoy your videos a lot! I give the controller a pass, we don't know what was going on behind the scene. Not a good response, but he did get back to you within 3 minutes. He probably would like to take his words back. We're humans not robots.
As a controller myself I never try and judge what’s going on, on the other side of the mic. But with that being said lack of phraseology/plain language is never the right course of action
The controller was busy AND in a bad mood. Technically, the outcome was correct, you were handled in the right order. As you said, he could have been a bit nicer and clearer. "Squawk 1234, maintain VFR, expect your IFR clearance in 5 minutes." I suppose you could have picked up your IFR clearance on the ground via telephone. Not sure it that was an option from your departure field. As always, fun to ride along. Thanks for sharing your videos.
It is an option, and appears to be ATL’s preference on a busy IFR day. In the A/FD it lists 119.8 as the VHF frequency for clearance delivery, along with an optional phone number. It doesn’t sound like they want people getting in the air first, for multiple reasons.
Good grief, that controller was simply not at his best. Had one speak like that once when I was handling radios for a buddy driving his PC-12 into KTEB while in IFR, but it was more just the typical NYC metro area controller that probably has too many aircraft in tightly compated congested airspace. This guy in the video however, seemed like he just didn't wanna play that day. Does anyone feel that if Minday had called for her IFR clearance prior to departure that she might have had a less obstinate controller when calling for it afterwards?
"That's not gonna happen any time soon" is a TOTALLY inappropriate and unprofessional response. I don't care how busy he was. At first, I thought it might have been an accidental call from another airplane who clicked his mic by accident. I would have just re-made the call. I would report it. That controller should be reprimanded.
Okay, since ATL is the busiest airport, why are virtually all the emergency flights going into or out of the NYC area airports? I don't think I have seen one flight on VAS Aviation that involved Atlanta.
Popularity doesn’t trump policy, protocol and procedure. “5-2-3 IFR Clearances Off Uncontrolled Airports: Pilots departing on an IFR flight plan should consult the Chart Supplement to determine the frequency or telephone number to use to contact clearance delivery. On initial contact, pilots should advise that the flight is IFR and state the departure and destination airports. Air traffic facilities providing clearance delivery services via telephone will have their telephone number published in the Chart Supplement of that airport's entry. This same section may also contain a telephone number to use for cancellation of an IFR flight plan after landing.”
As a retired ATCO could not believe that response, replayed the video to check, "did he really say that". Totally unprofessional. Love your videos, keep up the good work
What a rude and unprofessional controller. K & M I applaud your calm and muted response. You guys ROCK!
I loved Kevin‘s commentary and educational points between 1130 and 1230. Wanted to hear more about the ATC side. The controller was stressed and you saw him probably at his worst. He got better and it was nice to see you guys give him a chance. Thanks for all the hard work.
I could be wrong, but (lacking any other viable explanation) because he copped an immediate attitude and afterwards said he was “working a lot of other planes that were already IFR,” I think the controller was trying to convey that he was a little miffed that they didn’t pick up their clearance in advance on the ground, so they could be sequenced with other IFR traffic accordingly.
"Stressed" is NOT an excuse...there are MANY responses that ahole could have come back with instead of the unprofessional rudeness.
As a pilot here in the busy SoCal airspace, I’ve come across my fair share of rude controllers. But that guy took the cake! Kudos to you both for keeping your cool and not participating in such unprofessional behavior. Keep up the amazing videos.
"That's Not Going To Happen" "02D, I have a phone number for YOU to call. Let me know when you are ready to copy"! !! !!!
Please don't ever stop the videos. You are a lovely couple. So well matched. The plane's great. Your country's great. Keep filming and editing please. I certainly appreciate all the effort.
You both are great. Love to hear the ATC side Kevin can provide insight on!
Great job as usual. Can’t believe the controller and Kevin you did a great job. Mindy, I love your explanations and teaching ability. Keep making these great videos! ✌️❤️🙏👍🥃
Love the explanation from an ATC perspective, Kevin. Obviously saying something snarky back wouldn't be productive and would likely make it worse but I'd like to think I would be able to bite my tongue as well as you both did in that situation.
Thanks for handling this in such a calm and professional manner. I’m fairly certain that I would have not handled it quite so well.
Hard to say bad things against fellow controller. Obviously very busy but it's not what you say but how to say it.
SCHMIINDY!!! Yes, we appreciate you and all the "fun" you have with technical fails. But I really enjoy watching you fly - your professionalism is awesome to watch and sets a high bar for all pilots! CAVU!
Oh man...I love this plane.
Another great video. Thank you for you work.
I think you guys handled it perfectly. With a response like that just ask if there's anything they want you to do in the meantime and hang out. It was just under 2.5 minutes until he got back to you. Yeah, people get busy. You don't know what pilot you are working with and you could add a lot of undue stress to particular pilots which can make the airspace less safe. Spot on with the feedback in the air about how ATC could have responded differently.
The controller incident, ask them if they are ready to copy a number.
Sincerely appreciate the work and insight into GA. You two always have cool and interesting content. Thank you.!
As I was watching this video, I thought I am definitely going to respond by sending a comment and thanking you for taking the time to make this video and all the others. As an aviation content, creator myself, I know all the hard work it takes to not only edit the videos, but to prepare yourself,, and the cameras to make it all come together. And even when you lay down the best plans, something does always seem to happen. So I am responding to your request and sending you a little shout out, and showing some love for the hard work you put in to your channel. Fly well!
Thank you for you videos. I enjoy the interaction between you and Kevin, and of course the flying.
Thank you for the free videos!
Greetings from PEI CANADA. Excellent job as always on the videos, the fact that you continue to create content through challenges will only make followers appreciate you more. Props to you for keeping it real and forging through it. The videos are fantastic, really appreciate the work and dedication it takes to get to what we see. Thank you for your effort!
Nice landing! I appreciate all your work into the videos.
Searching my copy of the 7110.65 for "yeah that's not gonna happen anytime soon". That phraseology is new to me!
Thank you for the videos despite your technical issues, they are still great. BTW great learning moments for a low time pilot with your discussion about ATC.
I just love the shiny aluminum and paint trim on the plane, it's just an awesome look.
Your channel is awesome, please stay safe, I love your 182.
Welcome to ATL, the controllers are always in some kind of mood
I know I am thankful for your YT videos, and I thank you both ! Also, great patience on you both holding your tongue with that rude controller. Love when you both fly... stay safe and again, thanks for the videos, CYA
great ride Mindy! enjoy tagging along with you two...!
Love watching your videos ❤. I really like how you show part flying and part adventure!
That was a poor show from the controller, he basically left you high and dry! Imagine if it was a rookie pilot being treated like that and not a seasoned pro like yourself, Mindy! Awesome video Mindy, that approach was just spectacular👌
Loved the video.Yep I drank water out of a garden hose. Also drank right out of the creek!
Welcome to my home base! The best airport ever!
Makers is a great distillery tour and tasting. Also Castle & Key (option for ferry ride), Willett (great food), Woodford, Four Roses, and Louisville’s Peerless and Angel’s Envy (Mussel & Burger bar nearby). The cooperage tour is well worth it also.
Enjoy your stuff! Keep on keeping on.
Great video. Agree with Kevin that ATL is an efficient airport. I fly commercial out of there frequently. Also efficient for the traveling public.
Great video as always, keep them coming and thank you
Welcome to Atlanta ATC, I always try to pick it up outside of their airspace, because of that reason.
As an IFR student this video was really helpful and much appreciated. Also, my blood comes alive when doing the bourbon trail. 😊
Boy you are good Mindy.
Thanks for the videos!
Grew up drinking from a garden hose on our farm all the time!!!! Much better water than chlorine city water!!! Thanks for your video's......
Most definitely appreciate all of your videos and adventures !! My own GoPro likes to turn off all by itself for no reason , far too often :) Great flying along with you two
Kevin hope sometime you might talk about how you got into the ATC profession and how one might go about becoming an ATC
Love you videos
Dang man, she’s an AWESOME pilot AND she loves bourbon!!! Don’t ever do her wrong man, that’s a keeper! lol. Great video and thanks for taking us along. Cheers! 🥃🥃🇺🇸🇺🇸
That is not an acceptable response from the ATC. I am sure that is not a safe nor standardized use of the airspace by that controller.
That controller was horrible! Very unprofessional! Hope y'all reported him!
I would be willing to bet that at least one controller in the Atlanta center watches Mindy’s channel and has pointed it out to the guy. It is likely now that everyone knows, including the boss.
Gotta be Sportys!
“Roger, I’ll do a VFR hold 3000 ft right in the way of departures. Or you can give me an altitude that lets you clear me, or a direction that gives horizontal clearance”
Before flying in a Cessna 182 I always eat a healthy breakfast of psychedelic mushrooms. I live in Romania. so the the panic that ensues.. never reaches the news. Mindy dear Smindy.. please fly by my house.. it is a good house.❤
Hope you enjoyed the bourbon trail! I went to prep school with Julian Van Winkle (way back in the late '60's) who is now famous for the "Pappy" brands. His family does bourbon right. And thanks for the flight video and comments on the ATCO controller. Hope you followup with them. Thanks and stay safe!! Always enjoy flying with you!
Love the cover of "Twin & Turbine", October issue 2024!!!! Love the Blues!!!!
I grew up drinking unfiltered, untreated well water out of a hose. Also, we visited Bardstown this year (on a tour van) and had a great time tasting some delicious ... beverages. Highly recommended.
16:30 - I did a flight today for a video... nothing went to plan.
No video, but I got to fly around! So a win nonetheless.
Wow, that controller didn't even offer you options. No "maintain VFR," no estimated time till release... Dude was _rude_ !
Even if he said something to the effect of "Hey N3802D I'm a bit busy right now as the only controller (or one of two or three controllers) on duty handling X number of aircraft, contact me (or I'll contact you) in about 5 - 10 minutes as I expect to be less busy then and we can get your IFR clearance on the go. Meanwhile maintain VFR" even if his phrasing was not exactly standard/proper, it would have been better than what he actually said. To Kevin's point about gravy - I like a good white or sausage gravy here. Also for Mindy - I enjoy a good Bourbon as well.
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO!!!!
Hey @Schmiiindy why not get your release on the ground? Kevin was 100% correct about that controller’s phraseology (or lack thereof), but why not just call and get your release on the ground and then just check-in normally? I can tell you up there in N90 (NE), you gotta do that or you will be waiting a lot more than 5 minutes (though they might do what Kevin says and give you a local squawk and just say, “remain VFR”).
Many great distilleries in Central Ky ,
Thanks for the videos..
That might be the same guy that gave my IFR student a lecture for something little on our way to Newnan
What an absolute jerk of a controller. Terminated immediately.
How do you think a busy ER would treat you if you came in demanding to be seen immediately for flu symptoms?
Friends keep asking me why I don't get a Cirrus or move up to a Diamond DA 50. I love my 182. It may not fly as high or as fast, but I love the airplane.
Some people have their own ways of doing things. And they don’t care about how it ought to be done. They don’t care how what they do affects others. They just think they’re entitled to doing things their way. And I’m sick and tired of these people whoever they are. There is a reason why flying is far safer than driving on the ground!!!
Are you talking about pilots taking off without getting clearance delivery on the ground when it is available, same as at a controlled airport? Or the controller not giving out the clearance immediately in the air? Both may apply here.
Little does that ATC jacka$$ know, y'all rock the YT world! Ya know- they're saying Georgia is the new Florida (because of all of the hurricanes down there!), so c'mon back!
Fly with Kay had door latch trouble with her Piper Seneca 3. She and pops spent a few extra days in the St Louis area because of it. 😊
That was fascinating and pretty disturbing. This doesn’t mean anything other than to say, I flew a lot, owned 2 different airplanes with partners maybe before you both were born. Maybe when you were newborns. Here is the deal. I live vicariously through you and others like you. I’d actually like to fly again and maybe one day will figure it out. That exchange caused me pause. I get it, I’m sure that controller was very busy. The exchange was simply not ok. What if you were about to go actual or you knew you were 60 seconds from going actual.
It’s like social media in general, be careful what you say and how you say it because you WILL light up the string. That controller was simply out of line. They should never create confusion and unease in the cockpit. Why? Because you are in the air, possibly moments from going actual and he’s on the ground drinking coffee he’s very unlikely to die for unnecessary reasons. That’s just my observation.
I thought I drank Kentucky and Tennessee dry in 1982-83 when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell, Ky. Thought that’s why they sent me to W. Germany for 4 years. Oh well. Enjoy!
• AH-1 Crew Chief & A&P. 67Y20
I’ve never heard the term “looking for instruments.” Is that in the guide somewhere? He may have thought you were looking for flight following or a pop-up, or more likely he’s just nudging people to request CD on the ground by VHF or phone (out of Falcon, Speedway, etc.), instead of when airborne. I kind of feel him. Loading vectors on the approach is fairly unpopular. Just as easy to load the expected IAF (ESSEV), gives the most options.
Can't believe all these idiots calling teardrop turns to downwind at your airport, someone is going to have a midair eventually. That is a dangerous maneuver in a traffic pattern.
Opinions vary greatly on that.
14:20 An ant hill with very large ants. WOW.
What a classy lady and professional pilot. To take that kind of abuse from a controller and keep your cool and keep flying not missing a beat. He reminds me of the controllers I encountered often flying in the 1980’s. We all know what happened after that little contest between the union and president Reagan.
That kind of response is common here in the NY area, sometimes even worse
I don't have strut steps on my Skyhawk either. I just step where the strut meets the fuselage.
Sounds like someone should check the tower coffee machine.
Enjoy your videos a lot! I give the controller a pass, we don't know what was going on behind the scene. Not a good response, but he did get back to you within 3 minutes. He probably would like to take his words back. We're humans not robots.
As a controller myself I never try and judge what’s going on, on the other side of the mic. But with that being said lack of phraseology/plain language is never the right course of action
So great. But you're leaving us hanging! I'm guessing prop.
ATC very rude for NO reason !!..
There would probably be a reason.
Coffee machine was broke.
@@bryanbadger6841agreed, I think there was a clear reason.
The controller was busy AND in a bad mood. Technically, the outcome was correct, you were handled in the right order. As you said, he could have been a bit nicer and clearer. "Squawk 1234, maintain VFR, expect your IFR clearance in 5 minutes." I suppose you could have picked up your IFR clearance on the ground via telephone. Not sure it that was an option from your departure field. As always, fun to ride along. Thanks for sharing your videos.
It is an option, and appears to be ATL’s preference on a busy IFR day. In the A/FD it lists 119.8 as the VHF frequency for clearance delivery, along with an optional phone number. It doesn’t sound like they want people getting in the air first, for multiple reasons.
Gut viu et sky line, roge
Best clim were side, redset & fine
Quemark, forward rate, haw stud rang ehm obeca
Good grief, that controller was simply not at his best. Had one speak like that once when I was handling radios for a buddy driving his PC-12 into KTEB while in IFR, but it was more just the typical NYC metro area controller that probably has too many aircraft in tightly compated congested airspace. This guy in the video however, seemed like he just didn't wanna play that day.
Does anyone feel that if Minday had called for her IFR clearance prior to departure that she might have had a less obstinate controller when calling for it afterwards?
No excuse for that, controller should be reassigned to a less stressful location.
Ya'll make the best content. But...can't believe you didn't have Kev fly the whole thing under the hood! 😉
Thank you!! Haha my turn to fly 😎
I'll keep you in my prayers. Good video. Rude controller.
Someone will recognize the rude ATCO…
Enjoy your videos. I have a question: what is the black unit on the headliner of Mojo? I did not see it on your earlier videos. Thanks.
I’m 48 years old and still drink from the garden hose sometimes.
"That's not gonna happen any time soon" is a TOTALLY inappropriate and unprofessional response. I don't care how busy he was. At first, I thought it might have been an accidental call from another airplane who clicked his mic by accident. I would have just re-made the call. I would report it. That controller should be reprimanded.
Sporty's partnership incoming? 🧐🧐
it happens at 5:55
That’s the rudest controller I have heard in 35 years of flying
Okay, since ATL is the busiest airport, why are virtually all the emergency flights going into or out of the NYC area airports?
I don't think I have seen one flight on VAS Aviation that involved Atlanta.
That atc sounds like the guy from YT channel Banana Ballistics
Big cranes are your friends.
Haha! Crane man!!
No reason to be rude!
Just for interest, what watch do you wear?
as soon as you hit direct to a fix inside the procedure, approach is automatically activated.
You must not be as popular as you think you are 😂
Popularity doesn’t trump policy, protocol and procedure.
“5-2-3 IFR Clearances Off Uncontrolled Airports:
Pilots departing on an IFR flight plan should consult the Chart Supplement to determine the frequency or telephone number to use to contact clearance delivery. On initial contact, pilots should advise that the flight is IFR and state the departure and destination airports.
Air traffic facilities providing clearance delivery services via telephone will have their telephone number published in the Chart Supplement of that airport's entry. This same section may also contain a telephone number to use for cancellation of an IFR flight plan after landing.”
You did park in front of that hangar for a photo op, right?
what happened to the upgraded prop??