@@sarcasticstartrek7719depends entirely were you stand. remember what anikin said to obi wan in the conversation before cutting off his legs? deep shit man very deep.
These were the noble ones. Whatever has innate urge to procreate (desire to exist), until the natural end of the universe is noble. Anything else is genocidal disgrace to multicellular organisms and genetically dead end.
It always blows my mind every time we hear an Asgard voice and they talk to Daniel, nine times out of 10 it's Michael Shanks talking to himself. It's amazing when any voice actor does this but I especially love it in Stargate.
Asgard: "Let's be friends with the humans! Together we can build a bright future!" Humans: "Wohoo, friendship!" Asgard: *whiped out Vanir: "You didn't listen to that bunch of hippies, didn't you?"
Just think about what would have happened if the SGA team encountered this group of Asgard before the self genocide of our Asgard; they could have traded information and our friendly Asgard could still be around
The problem with that is the Asguards blew themselves up, suicide. You might even say it was stupidity. They could have just cloned the humans and worked with the clones, empty of the mind. Then they would have easily found a way to stop their degregation.
Oma Desala: "The universe is vast and we are so small. There is really only one thing we can ever truly control." Dr. Daniel Jackson: "What's that?" Oma Desala: "Whether we are good or evil." Supporters of the Vanir and their extreme immoral methods: "Lolz".
I love the name they gave these ones to differentiate them. Really plays into the Norse mythos theme. Vanir were a set of Norse gods separate from the Aesir or as they are more often called in pop culture Asgardians.
I find it interesting that the Vanir main focus was research on how to fix their gene but they lack the advanced weapons as the Asgard. This means the Vanir's weapons and shield are a few thousand years behind the Asgard. This explains how the Travelers' weapons were able to overcome Vanir's shields and the Traveler's shield held against the Vanir's weapons.
From what I understood, they are quite a little community that was exiled, contrary to the Asgard who kept being an entire society (even tho smaller than ours). I guess they couldn't achieve the same technological level with so few of them. Btw, I think the original Asgard would have been able to settle this ancient's technology by themselves. Several episodes with SG1 proved they were way more proficient than humans to understand ancient's technology. Yet, those Vanir keep a knowledge and a brain way larger than Earth so they would have been fierce ennemies! Such a pity...
They fell behind becuase of the wraiths and who they are. The wraith drove them into survival mode, and had little resource they can put into tech advancement, and what little they do have they put into solving the genetic degredation issue making that the priority. The asgard on the other hand went the other direction they do have a lot of resource, which allowed them to prioritize defeating the replicator, and keeping the milkyway galaxy safe from the goauld naturally leading to more advance military tech, while the genetic degredtion was secondary.
@@JackThor I agree with your arguments yet not with all your conclusions. I think the genetic degeneration was as much important for the Asgard. Simply, their high standard moral made them less effective in that matter. Thor was certain the key wasn't within humans, and he was partly wrong. He believed so because the Asgard didn't go too far into experimentation while the Vanir did. I think the Vanir couldn't develop much because they were fewer, and yes most certainly because they were hiding from the Wraith. But their shortcomings were not only military : they didn't have their own ships, their own suits, and not even the asgard beam transporter. It looks like they faced an (almost) full stop in their scientific development save for genetics. They were just still way more evolved than Earth. But I guess we won't ever have our answers.
This is normal. This is how ethnic divesity is born. For example here on Earth , the British and their main colonies (Australia and Canada). In the core , they are the same people. Those countries are made from the same people but they are fundamentaly differnt. The reason for it is that in the moment the colonists sever the connection with the homeworld , they start developing independatly. This is how differenaces in the same language and pronounsisation are born. The same goes with technology. The changes done in the home territories are just not imported to the colonies. According to what the Vanir told Daniel , they split from the Asgard 10 000 years ago and came to Pagasus during the war. They made colonies but ware under attack by the Wraith. They lost their most advanced ships and cities (meaning large portion of their population). The remnat went into survival mode to live on toxic world with very limited resources. This will put them ruffly on the same technological level as the Asgard arround 9000 years ago (i'm leaving some space for the tech adaptation that must of happaned during that period).
Asgardians of SG1 will always be my favourite alien species... not cause they are the typical mars type; but because of who they are, what they do, and their interactions with SG1
The music at the reveal always gets me here. Hearing the Asgard music playing giving that sense of familiarity with that added layer of menace always makes the scene feel off in the best possible way. Very well made!
@@creativenationpictures It always showed. I just wish there were more shows, and in particular good sci-fi, like this that my father and I can enjoy again. It just seems like it’s in short supply these days. That being said we did get to watch them again recently with my grandmother so she could watch it for the first time. It was a good month. It was like we were seeing it for the first time again though her eyes. Still good… yeah. Still good.
@TravelersProd that is so touching! I'm glad you and your grandmother got to experience that together. I just feel that since the success of Marvel's MCU, so many shows have tried to emulate what they did, and have just lost that specialness that shows such as SG-1 had. But I must there are still some gems out there, such as the Expanse etc... (pity its cancelled)
@@creativenationpictures They almost always seem to end too soon don’t they? I find that the biggest tragedy about the MCU emulation is that it’s not the first time I’ve seen this pattern. After Harry Potter was a hit for example, various studios tried to emulate those movies success through various book adaptations en masse. The problem was that if the first movie didn’t reach that Harry Potter blockbuster status then the series would be dropped like a brick off a bridge, and more often then not it seemed like the folks making some of these movies hadn’t even read the books. There were a plethora of potential series that we could’ve seen more of if Hollywood wasn’t looking for a quick cash grab. Same thing with Game of Thrones. Various shows trying to emulate it without understanding the formula. You can’t just reach the same levels of success by killing random characters off and expect the same reaction, especially if it’s something like a big how do you do with a character being killed off and I’m just like, “You literally introduced this guy an episode and a half ago… What was his name again?” The point I was trying to make I agree, I do wish there were some more fresh ideas in the creative spectrum.
Oma Desala: "The universe is vast and we are so small. There is really only one thing we can ever truly control." Dr. Daniel Jackson: "What's that?" Oma Desala: "Whether we are good or evil." Supporters of the Vanir and their extreme immoral methods: "Lolz".
I never saw Atlantis, but they still didnt solve the problem so how exactly does he have a point? They've also probably been doing it for thousands of years and the problem is still there.
No, they sacrificed themselves, which is a different thing altogether; suicide is simply death, sacrifice is to achieve a goal, often, though not always, a selfless one intended to benefit others. These Asgard intended to commit an act which would benefit themselves without any sacrifice on their part, but which would cause the deaths of millions of people. And, since they admitted they had not yet solved the issue with cloning, it seems likely that ultimately they would die out anyway, after having abandoned their principles. Lost everything, gained nothing, caused the deaths of millions of innocent people. Great.
The Vanir were shown to be somewhat healthier than their Milky Way cousins. Probably because they had an ends justify the means approach to everything.
@@SeraphSeph He said they did not solve the problem "entirely", but that still means they made advances large enough so they could claim they had a partial solution. That could have bought them hundreds of years for all we know. Who knows, in that time they might fix their cloning entirely or buy themselves more time with each step until they do.
He also implied that countless generations had passed, which depending how you interpret it could mean that they actually have found a way to reproduce again... or he just meant a lot of time passed. If the former is true, than experimenting with humans would have actually helped the Aesir asgard to last a lot longer
I think 💬 a better comparison would be contrasting Asgard & Vanir with Vulcan's 🖖 & Romulan's (Rihansu). Did the Asgard Hermiod die off in the Plague or was he killed by the Wraith in battle? I wonder how he would view the Vanir!
SGA: We invented this cool new race to be the primary antagonists of the show. SG1: They're just space vampires. SGA: Uh, ok. We invented these new robot guys who evolved to look like humans. They're called- SG1: You stole our Replicators! Dammit Atlantis! SGA: Shit, sorry. Look, you'll like this one. We're introducing these new antagonists for Season 5. We based them off the Grey aliens who folklore believes crashed at Roswell. SG1: ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯.
The Space Vampires create a very interesting dilemma, they have to feed on humans to live yet they cant simply be killed off because they are just trying to survive just like us, fundamentally there's nothing wrong with what the Wraith is doing.
I think his reaction when the Venir got out of his suit was horror due to the relationship that the SGC had with the Asgard. It would be like a parent that you learned so much from you thought dead not only was alive, but going against everything they once stood for.
What few people realize, the Asgards had solved the Clone Problem but did not have enough time to implement their plan with the ORI hard on their tails. When the Asgard planet exploded, the Asgard were no longer there but had used the spatial interference to beam themselves to another Galaxy. In all the knowledge they had given to the Humans, a clue was left but SG1 failed to find that clue. Years later, the Original SG1 team had visions from Thor that asked why SG1 had failed to rescue them from Stasis in the Far distant Galaxy which is the lead in to the New Stargate Series that see's the return of the fully cured Asgard and Earth Humans now the fifth Race.
I dont know enough of the Stargate lore but I'm pretty sure all the 5 races do in fact share an ancient common ancestor, hence why the humans resemble the precursors to modern Asgard. If this is true I wouldn't be surprised that the local cluster of galaxies were we are are full of descendants humanoids from that ancient ancestor
Well, the Alteran's launched Destiny from the Milky Way over around 75 Million years ago, and the Asgard, for instance, have only been around for over 100,000, so it is possible.
The think I never understood about the Asgard Experiments on humans is why didn't they just ask them for some volunteers? From what I could tell the experiments weren't harmful in any way so given that and all the Asgard did for earth I'm sure some people would be willing to volunteer
The Asgard likely viewed asking humans to submit to experimentation as unethical as the asgard have a lopsided amount of power in the relationship. It would be like a parent asking a small child for a kidney. From thier perspective.
@@theyux1 Offering humans something in return would be ethical, they could have offered them health related technology that cured illness or something. Doing that would not only benefit the Tauri but it would also help them in their goal of trying to find a cure for their own problems as humans would live longer and healthier.
Stargate was basically my first exposure to most of Norse mythology. I knew Thor as a little grey alien before anything else. Having since seen the MCU, and become familiar with the Marvel comics and original myth, it is hilarious to me that the rule-breaking, mischievous scientist messing with humanity was Loki. I think Heimdall was also a prominent Asgard. These names meant nothing at the time.
having grown up in sweden learning about the Aesir AND watching stargate, it was amazing! i absolutely love mythology, both the "true" and the adaptations they have in some shows! i think both Stargate and Marvel did a great job making it fun to watch while still maintaining some parts of the myths!
Not sure if Marvel follows Norse mythology well but Heimdell in the movies is the gatekeeper for the Bifrost. He defends Asgard from attack and operates it to send and retrieve people from the realms.
This was a legitimately great twist. You know the Asgard’s are a part of this whole story, but ignore them completely since they’re associated with SG1. But it makes complete sense to see them here, and when you do…damn lol
@cainabel6356 humanity got a 20000 year at least technology jump start aside from ori or in milky way no one was more advanced apart from the knox .had been a new show earth would eventually build a fleet of probably 100 bc 304 or bigger ships probably adopting Role of peacekeepers
This is one of the loose ends that existed and frustrated me. If SGC discovered THE or AN genetic DNA and Memory data bank of all Asgard minds and memories (perhaps they all wirelessly updated with each new scan no matter where they were in the universe and perhaps some lay forgotten), they could help these remaining Asgard go the right way about fixing their gene pool and resurrecting their race without all the side effects of cloning. I could picture a Human/Asgard looking Thor suddenly awakening and seeing his Human friends and wondering what the hell happened.
Joe Malozzi revealed that the Asgard Archive Datacore on board the Odyssey DOES in fact have a copy of all the Asgard Minds in the hopes that Humanity would someday solve their cloning problem and could essentially resurrect the Asgard Race.
@@Seastallion which gets more interesting cause in the books, there was a asgard that ascended before the degredation of the species, and she decides to descend to mortality to give them access to her DNA, helping them to fix the issue. that means that the asgard could come back and reinhabit their galaxy.
I love that last line .. Look where it got them. You can stand on your high horse and your morals. But if at some point it hurts you more that it helps, why? Going full blown the ends justify the means is wrong. But so is the opposite end, refusing to act due to high morals or ethics. Life requires balance, both good and evil unfortunately.
I always found it amazing that SG1 was so against Loki/ the Vanir experimenting I mean a few human lives vs a entire races survival we all know humanity wouldn’t do anything different if the roles where reversed. Of course there plan to kill millions over killl.
They stopped cause the cloning had gone to far and humans couldn't reverse it the Asgard couldn't turn back into breeders and just moved on to other things like nanobots and mind control ships . Some still thought humans had there salvation but as seen here even with free reign for thousands of years they still cant reverse it only slow it showing the Asgard were right .What they shoulda done was look into the Unas and they woulda been fine :D
@@atthesink How would the unas help with this situation? What they actually did in the end was ask an ascended asgard for help (after trying to de-ascend and kidnap them of course). It was stated that even with the help of the de-ascended asgard that had reproductive organs it would still take time for them to rectify the problems they had caused by generations of cloning and they had a significant chance of failure.
@@harryhall4001 the Unas part was a joke as they are strong heal rapid and live for thousands of years normally n looked cool and weren't really used much outside the first hosts.
It is social commentary, very relevant to us since our species has taken tremendous leaps in science and healthcare through horrific human experiments.
In any new Stargate series I want them to find a "cure" for the asgard and bring them back.. the whole point of leaving behind their entire collective data was because they also saved their conciousness in that computer too right? To be brought back if they humans could find a way? You can't have stargate without the Asgard! 😂
Would probably have to enlist help from the Gadmeer worldship that's currently xenoforming that world from "Scorched Earth". We will have to send a battlecruiser on a careful approach to the world, establish contact and negotiate with the AI for services in exchange for their knowledge on how to re-seed a dead race.
Honestly I figured the Pegasus replicators would have been the perfect solution for them. We know they are perfectly capable of consciousness within a synthetic construct. Their consciousness in a body that can perfectly replicate itself without the diminishing returns of cloning would have been ideal and they could have continued researching a biological solution if they so desired.
i grew up watching stargate sg1, then atlantis, and finally universe... there is just such a huge part of my brain that is engraved with all the stories and characters, i have rewatched it so many times! i really hope Amazon treats it well, and makes a real faithful continuation, with a proper handoff with the originals!
So true… I’ve probably rewatched SG-1 6 times, Atlantis 3 times and Universe twice… it by far my favorite… I’m quietly optimistic that Amazon will treat it with respect…
i always see sg1 as trash tv yet it always aired on a channel when i grew up, so it was a memorable. and in this clip, iv learned so much about nothing in less than 4 min i never thought i knew after just lazy watching some episodes throught the years. great scene.
I just realized something, the travelers made there first colony on a planet in long time, the asguard venturing out into galaxy. I wonder if there is some sort of connection between the asguard and travelers?
Would have been even more epic if the Asgard also opened up and out popped a Furling at the end.... and they are the super baddies of S6 and S7. Tech powered and clones and intricate knowhow of Stargate etc
in one of the expanded books they wrap up the story line with the Vanir actually finding a solution. The Vanir remake the though future generation will find their actions deplorable, at least their will be future generations.
I believe if SGA wasn't cancelled, and got 5 further seasons, some of these Asgard would have come forward as rejecting their methods, and the Asgard as we knew them wouldn't have been fully lost.
I'm so mad we didn't get to see more of these new Asgard. Just one more season of Atlantis to tie up the loose ends. Or a finale movie like we got for SG1.
"They always did the right thing for the right reasons. The end never justifies the means." "Which is why they met their end. They no longer have any justice or any means." When things go bad - it is the ruthless and efficient who survive, who prevail, who continue, who win.
@@mackgiver875 But Daniel's earth is not sitting at the precipice of extinction like vanir, aesir, or altetearan lantians were. If it was I think his thinking might change a little bit.
@@Not-Ap Certainly, but Daniel and the SGC represents humanity "finding a better way" rather than say, the way things would be if the NID and that Kinsey moron were running the show. Same species, same planet, different values. The Vanir represent what can happen to those good, honorable people when all of their "better" options have been exhausted. Then it becomes a matter of triage.
Man, first we get those weird robot-like aliens in the "Daedalus Variations" and then the return of the Asgard, but now as enemies. ...And then the show had to end!
I could see a Stargate movie where they hijack the Odyssey on a resupply trip to Atlantis and use the core from the Season 10 ending to create new clones of the Asgard stored in the core. SG-1 reunites and is joined by Sheppard's team and General O'Neill to go after the ship and find Thor is alive again.
I propose that SG1 could have brought back the Asgard in our own galaxy. Starting with blank clones like the one created by Colson Industries, they could have used the repository of knowledge (Ancient face-sucker) on them. Ethical? I don't know. Useful? Definitely.
Even if they are a bit more evil I like that the Asgard go on living in Pegasus galaxy. Hopefully one day they solve their problems ... but I think they are just playing for time, like the rest of us.
My idea for season 6. I would really enjoy a scenario where the Vanir get into a full scale fight with Atlantis and ultimately overplay their hand and underestimate Atlantis... in the climax episode, multiple Daedalus class ships show up at the last moment to save Atlantis by quickly making an example out of one of the Vanir ships (cause lets be real just ONE Daedalus class Destroyer could probably explode most of their fleet) and force them to surrender their fleet or be destroyed. This forces them into agreeing to a diplomatic position where they along with their fleet are supplied by Atlantis with the intergalactic drives that the Daedalus destroyers use (A deal too good to refuse), giving them the ability to return back to the milky way galaxy (The Vanir had all their intergalactic capable ships destroyed much earlier on by the Wraith). Once they return to the Milky Way, The "Tau'ri" scout out multiple suitable planets and present the options to the Vanir for settlement where they can rebuild their civilization under the protection of the Tau'ri with an eventual alliance forming. Because the Vanir are not necessarily "evil" or even "bad guys", they are simply desperate to save their race. And without the threat of attack or annihilation (And easy living on a warm, pleasant planet) they would most assuredly cease all hostilities and become good allies. The Tau'ri could then give them all the supply they need for research in terms of human stem cells and genetic data, hell even Terminally ill humans could willingly volunteer to allow experimentation on them and use of their physical bodies/organs after death, (not much different from current organ donation practices in modern western society). Also the Tau'ri, between any ancient labs they find on earth... and or the Atlantis database, they might be able to find some ancient genetic science that helps the Vanir with their issue or solves in entirely. And just like that, The Asgard return from "extinction" and can now spend the next couple hundred years rebuilding their civilization under the protection of Earth. Earth can even transport more technology and raw materials to the new Asgard home world than they themselves could possibly produce and give them a giant step forward in rebuilding. Within 40 years they would be a thriving, prosperous civilization and probably already settling colonies on a few other planets.
Heh.... Once earth was a protectorate of the Asgard... Now the remaining Asgard tribe, the Vanir become a protectorate of earth... Oh how the turns have tabled....
@@dodododo1761 Possible. That depends on how many Vanir are left and how well they can ward of the recursive genetic disorder that repeated cloning induced.
@@dodododo1761 How? 8 billion Taur'i on just Earth... with military bases that will turn into colonies all over the galaxy vs TEENY TINY numbers of surviving Vanir. Taur'i have Tech from the recently deceased modern Asgard that had a TEN THOUSAND YEAR tech development legacy over the vanir who have stagnated from simply trying to survive. It should theoretically take the Vanir another 10,000 years to just reach the level of advancement that the milky way Asgard reached, the Vanir showed similar levels of tech yet... almost inferior in some ways to the Travelers. And the most glaring issue here the fact that with Earth's help and their own milky way home world established they would have a MUCH harder up hill battle relative to the Asgard had 10000 years ago because the Asgard 10,000 years ago had a firmly established empire spanning two galaxies at least and the Vanir have ONE PLANET, they would spend the next 100 years simply trying to get their numbers up to sustainable levels and build something resembling a civilization (assuming they fixed all their issues and can reproduce properly). I mean, the only reason earth is able to take advantage of the new tech and galactic power they have established is because they have the highest population of any single world in the milky way and as such a massive industrial base and unmatched resource extraction ability to supply the industry. The Vanir would certainly thrive AND build a thriving civilization at a record setting pace but what you just said is very out to lunch XD
The thankfully since the Asgard are not entirely extinct this group can hopefully save their species with the help of Atlantis thus the Asgard will finally prevail.
If Daniel was a better negotiator there probably could have been an amicable end to this episode. (Of course plot has to happen because plot but still.)
Yes well, Daniel is a typical self-righteous and judgemental academic with no real hard grip on the real world. Hence, he really is a lousy negotiator as he finds it impossible to compromise. Carson Beckett was much the same. He was far too rigid.
Watching these episodes again and just like when I watched it all those years ago, I have one issue. That dogfight between the Asgard ships and Larrin's faction was complete bullshit. They're the same race that gave us the weapons technology to destroy Ancient and Ori ships with ease. The Asgard are so much more advanced than us, it's not even funny. How in the hell was that hunk o' junk able to even take a single shot from the Asgard ships, let alone destroy one? It just doesn't make sense. Sure, you could argue that it had been thousands of years since these Asgards used ships so they were rusty, or that they simply didn't have the resources to make something more powerful, but they didn't even try to explain it. It's a plothole that the audience needs to rationalize in their minds. That's just always bothered me
I still think SGA should have explored the Asgard in this universe. It would’ve been cool as well if the Asgards discovered a secret storage device that contained all the minds of Asgard . So in case the Tau’ri ever discovered or solved the problem of degradation then the computer start immediately downloading the minds into new bodies.
He’s got you there Daniel. Given what humans do to entire species for pleasure or quarterly profits, don’t even try to tell him that a species can’t experiment on a handful of another species to prevent their own extinction.
I can't bring myself to believe that they were evil. They were just desperate and more free from the good-guy dogma of SG-1. Sure, it was awesome to see that the race is not extinct, it was a bit jaw-opening that they shared more of Loki's mindset. But if a season 6 ever happened, I wouldn't want them to be antagonists. More like neutral race that became tentative allies, until, with the help of humans and their Asgard database, they managed to find a way to stabilize the racial genetics. I think the Asgard deserved as much. First having their race wiped out and then the rest of it being evil, ripe for destruction, that would be an even sadder end of the most awesome alien race ever.
well they are one extreme the AS guard race was the other a hybrid of the two would have been better for them in the long run not wiping all humans out but also not ignoring human experimentation to save themselves by using human clones to experiment on
@@becausebuzzbomb6133 What exactly does that prove? Humans are bent toward evil. That isn't news. It's a realization more ancient than written language.
I would have been like good point; I mean Thor and his people did help but in the end they all died. It's the simple equation of a man comes upon two trains which one does he talk. In this equation there are two men and two trains.
thought the stargate team would have mention to the milky way asgards that there was a planet full of clones which they could have shared to them.sure they were enemies in the end.also be great been a great cross over of the sg1 and alantis series when the writers started thinking of a spin off series.
"...And look where it got them." - Oh snap. The burn. Someone call an ambulance.
This is the thing with Stargate writing... he's not... wrong. He's not morally right, but he's not incorrect.
It's a hard pill to swallow but he's got a point.
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 Morals are an argument by people who ran out of rational ones.
@@sarcasticstartrek7719depends entirely were you stand. remember what anikin said to obi wan in the conversation before cutting off his legs? deep shit man very deep.
I doubt humans would act differently if not just our personal lifes but the survival of our whole species would be at stake
I love how they have an off key version of the asgard theme playing to distinguish these rebel asgard from the noble ones.
Great observation positronlaserforce!!! Agreed...
It's not "off key" it's a minor key compared to their normal major key.
I know was just think that. It's basically a more sinister version of the asgard theme
You mean aeolian vs. dorian mode?
These were the noble ones. Whatever has innate urge to procreate (desire to exist), until the natural end of the universe is noble. Anything else is genocidal disgrace to multicellular organisms and genetically dead end.
"you've encountered our kind before?"
"not just encountered them, I am their voice."
😂 love it Calmputer!!
These Asgard were truly the most evil of all. The broke the sacred grey alien rule they wore clothes.
@ Cocomonk, I must agree with you there...... how dare they!!!
@@saberiandream316 They do have butts, but no cracks or holes.
Indeed.
Didn't they use to partake in sexual reproduction though?
They wear armour...
It always blows my mind every time we hear an Asgard voice and they talk to Daniel, nine times out of 10 it's Michael Shanks talking to himself. It's amazing when any voice actor does this but I especially love it in Stargate.
more often then not it's the director or a standing behind the camera feeding him the lines and they just remove that part out
@@kevinwaag9976 we know how the process works it’s just fun to think about in the finish.
I actually never knew it was Daniel, agreed thought amazing!
You must be REALLY impressed with Family Guy.
Really wish they continued Atlantis and continued the Vanir story, it had so much potential
They did the Stargate Atlantis books set after Season 5.
@@darthnowlan l am aware however it not quite the same as having the TV show
@@Lightingwarrior you’re right, it’s even better when u let imagination take the wheel
@@darthnowlan what was the book set?
Atlantis cancelled in favor of SG-U to mimic Battlestar Galatica ratings. Only it didn't work, and SG-U got cancelled for low ratings.
Asgard: "Let's be friends with the humans! Together we can build a bright future!"
Humans: "Wohoo, friendship!"
Asgard: *whiped out
Vanir: "You didn't listen to that bunch of hippies, didn't you?"
What is sad is if we knew it would have helped I think we would have done help
Just think about what would have happened if the SGA team encountered this group of Asgard before the self genocide of our Asgard; they could have traded information and our friendly Asgard could still be around
"and look where it got them" well... he's got a point there
The problem with that is the Asguards blew themselves up, suicide. You might even say it was stupidity. They could have just cloned the humans and worked with the clones, empty of the mind. Then they would have easily found a way to stop their degregation.
Oma Desala: "The universe is vast and we are so small. There is really only one thing we can ever truly control."
Dr. Daniel Jackson: "What's that?"
Oma Desala: "Whether we are good or evil."
Supporters of the Vanir and their extreme immoral methods: "Lolz".
To me, he has ALL the talking points. Well, its time to go on vacation to Omicron Persei XIII!
I love the name they gave these ones to differentiate them. Really plays into the Norse mythos theme. Vanir were a set of Norse gods separate from the Aesir or as they are more often called in pop culture Asgardians.
My playthroughs of God of war are finally paying off!
@@709mash *ahem* Too Human got it right, too :)
Those legends may actually contain truths that we no longer want to accept or consider
I truly wish Atlantis never got cancelled. I wanted to see more of The Vanir.
I wonder what rqn looked like
I heard a rumor that the actor who played John Shepherd tried to buy the rights to keep SG:A going, but it didn't work out.
I find it interesting that the Vanir main focus was research on how to fix their gene but they lack the advanced weapons as the Asgard. This means the Vanir's weapons and shield are a few thousand years behind the Asgard. This explains how the Travelers' weapons were able to overcome Vanir's shields and the Traveler's shield held against the Vanir's weapons.
From what I understood, they are quite a little community that was exiled, contrary to the Asgard who kept being an entire society (even tho smaller than ours). I guess they couldn't achieve the same technological level with so few of them.
Btw, I think the original Asgard would have been able to settle this ancient's technology by themselves. Several episodes with SG1 proved they were way more proficient than humans to understand ancient's technology.
Yet, those Vanir keep a knowledge and a brain way larger than Earth so they would have been fierce ennemies! Such a pity...
They fell behind becuase of the wraiths and who they are. The wraith drove them into survival mode, and had little resource they can put into tech advancement, and what little they do have they put into solving the genetic degredation issue making that the priority. The asgard on the other hand went the other direction they do have a lot of resource, which allowed them to prioritize defeating the replicator, and keeping the milkyway galaxy safe from the goauld naturally leading to more advance military tech, while the genetic degredtion was secondary.
@@JackThor I agree with your arguments yet not with all your conclusions. I think the genetic degeneration was as much important for the Asgard. Simply, their high standard moral made them less effective in that matter. Thor was certain the key wasn't within humans, and he was partly wrong. He believed so because the Asgard didn't go too far into experimentation while the Vanir did.
I think the Vanir couldn't develop much because they were fewer, and yes most certainly because they were hiding from the Wraith. But their shortcomings were not only military : they didn't have their own ships, their own suits, and not even the asgard beam transporter. It looks like they faced an (almost) full stop in their scientific development save for genetics. They were just still way more evolved than Earth.
But I guess we won't ever have our answers.
It's not a matter of tech, it's a matter of industrial capacity.
This is normal. This is how ethnic divesity is born. For example here on Earth , the British and their main colonies (Australia and Canada). In the core , they are the same people. Those countries are made from the same people but they are fundamentaly differnt. The reason for it is that in the moment the colonists sever the connection with the homeworld , they start developing independatly. This is how differenaces in the same language and pronounsisation are born. The same goes with technology. The changes done in the home territories are just not imported to the colonies.
According to what the Vanir told Daniel , they split from the Asgard 10 000 years ago and came to Pagasus during the war. They made colonies but ware under attack by the Wraith. They lost their most advanced ships and cities (meaning large portion of their population). The remnat went into survival mode to live on toxic world with very limited resources.
This will put them ruffly on the same technological level as the Asgard arround 9000 years ago (i'm leaving some space for the tech adaptation that must of happaned during that period).
Asgardians of SG1 will always be my favourite alien species... not cause they are the typical mars type; but because of who they are, what they do, and their interactions with SG1
Agreed, when Stargate eventually comes back, I would definitely love them to be incorporated in some way....
The music at the reveal always gets me here. Hearing the Asgard music playing giving that sense of familiarity with that added layer of menace always makes the scene feel off in the best possible way. Very well made!
100%!!! I honestly believe the Stargate writers are some of the best, if not the best in the business! They love the product they were putting out…
@@creativenationpictures It always showed. I just wish there were more shows, and in particular good sci-fi, like this that my father and I can enjoy again. It just seems like it’s in short supply these days. That being said we did get to watch them again recently with my grandmother so she could watch it for the first time. It was a good month. It was like we were seeing it for the first time again though her eyes. Still good… yeah. Still good.
@TravelersProd that is so touching! I'm glad you and your grandmother got to experience that together.
I just feel that since the success of Marvel's MCU, so many shows have tried to emulate what they did, and have just lost that specialness that shows such as SG-1 had. But I must there are still some gems out there, such as the Expanse etc... (pity its cancelled)
@@creativenationpictures They almost always seem to end too soon don’t they? I find that the biggest tragedy about the MCU emulation is that it’s not the first time I’ve seen this pattern. After Harry Potter was a hit for example, various studios tried to emulate those movies success through various book adaptations en masse. The problem was that if the first movie didn’t reach that Harry Potter blockbuster status then the series would be dropped like a brick off a bridge, and more often then not it seemed like the folks making some of these movies hadn’t even read the books. There were a plethora of potential series that we could’ve seen more of if Hollywood wasn’t looking for a quick cash grab. Same thing with Game of Thrones. Various shows trying to emulate it without understanding the formula. You can’t just reach the same levels of success by killing random characters off and expect the same reaction, especially if it’s something like a big how do you do with a character being killed off and I’m just like, “You literally introduced this guy an episode and a half ago… What was his name again?” The point I was trying to make I agree, I do wish there were some more fresh ideas in the creative spectrum.
"And where are they now?"
"Dead."
"Hmm."
When you confirm to the evil alien he was correct.
Oma Desala: "The universe is vast and we are so small. There is really only one thing we can ever truly control."
Dr. Daniel Jackson: "What's that?"
Oma Desala: "Whether we are good or evil."
Supporters of the Vanir and their extreme immoral methods: "Lolz".
To be fair the Asgard has a point the good Asgard killed themselfs
I never saw Atlantis, but they still didnt solve the problem so how exactly does he have a point? They've also probably been doing it for thousands of years and the problem is still there.
No, they sacrificed themselves, which is a different thing altogether; suicide is simply death, sacrifice is to achieve a goal, often, though not always, a selfless one intended to benefit others.
These Asgard intended to commit an act which would benefit themselves without any sacrifice on their part, but which would cause the deaths of millions of people. And, since they admitted they had not yet solved the issue with cloning, it seems likely that ultimately they would die out anyway, after having abandoned their principles.
Lost everything, gained nothing, caused the deaths of millions of innocent people. Great.
The Vanir were shown to be somewhat healthier than their Milky Way cousins. Probably because they had an ends justify the means approach to everything.
@@SeraphSeph He said they did not solve the problem "entirely", but that still means they made advances large enough so they could claim they had a partial solution. That could have bought them hundreds of years for all we know. Who knows, in that time they might fix their cloning entirely or buy themselves more time with each step until they do.
He also implied that countless generations had passed, which depending how you interpret it could mean that they actually have found a way to reproduce again... or he just meant a lot of time passed. If the former is true, than experimenting with humans would have actually helped the Aesir asgard to last a lot longer
For those who dont know the mythology, quite simply put, the Vanir was a rival to the Asgards.
So much more lore i would have wanted from this.
Its a damn shame we lost Atlantis as a series. Blame the 2008 financial crisis.
So, Vanir is to Asguards as Ori is to Ancients?
@@ColinRichardson Yeah pretty much.
I thought 💭 a better analogy would be Asgard & Vanir compared to Vulcan's & Romulan's (Rihansu). Hermiod
I think 💬 a better comparison would be contrasting Asgard & Vanir with Vulcan's 🖖 & Romulan's (Rihansu). Did the Asgard Hermiod die off in the Plague or was he killed by the Wraith in battle? I wonder how he would view the Vanir!
"Sometimes the only choices you have are bad. You still have to choose."
- The Doctor
Nice one David!!! So true though…
"if I’m to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all."
- Gerald of Rivia
Not the Asgard we know, but still the same little grey butts.
I did NOT see that coming!(just like Rodney said!)
Serious goosebumps all over
SGA: We invented this cool new race to be the primary antagonists of the show.
SG1: They're just space vampires.
SGA: Uh, ok. We invented these new robot guys who evolved to look like humans. They're called-
SG1: You stole our Replicators! Dammit Atlantis!
SGA: Shit, sorry. Look, you'll like this one. We're introducing these new antagonists for Season 5. We based them off the Grey aliens who folklore believes crashed at Roswell.
SG1: ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯.
LOL!
The Wraith were great enemies.
In fairness, if various races of humans are everywhere then so are Asgard.
I mean....so?
The Space Vampires create a very interesting dilemma, they have to feed on humans to live yet they cant simply be killed off because they are just trying to survive just like us, fundamentally there's nothing wrong with what the Wraith is doing.
3:26 the moment Daniel switches from confusion and curiosity to pure disgust.
I think his reaction when the Venir got out of his suit was horror due to the relationship that the SGC had with the Asgard. It would be like a parent that you learned so much from you thought dead not only was alive, but going against everything they once stood for.
Nice scene & also subtly ironic since Michael Shanks voiced Thor in the show.
What few people realize, the Asgards had solved the Clone Problem but did not have enough time to implement their plan with the ORI hard on their tails. When the Asgard planet exploded, the Asgard were no longer there but had used the spatial interference to beam themselves to another Galaxy. In all the knowledge they had given to the Humans, a clue was left but SG1 failed to find that clue. Years later, the Original SG1 team had visions from Thor that asked why SG1 had failed to rescue them from Stasis in the Far distant Galaxy which is the lead in to the New Stargate Series that see's the return of the fully cured Asgard and Earth Humans now the fifth Race.
source?
That's a great setup to a new series.
I mean it works for me. Or the ASSguards make new kinda stable clones, and the database contaons the rest of the asgard
they leave the galaxy when the ancients where still alives
@@laryyan1358 My Mind.
Daniel: “What are you?”
01:59
ASSguard
I dont know enough of the Stargate lore but I'm pretty sure all the 5 races do in fact share an ancient common ancestor, hence why the humans resemble the precursors to modern Asgard.
If this is true I wouldn't be surprised that the local cluster of galaxies were we are are full of descendants humanoids from that ancient ancestor
Well, the Alteran's launched Destiny from the Milky Way over around 75 Million years ago, and the Asgard, for instance, have only been around for over 100,000, so it is possible.
@@evanboll4651 so Like a monkey is to humans? Or something
@@tinienteabanil2922 Indeed.
Could have been a plot point for SGU.
The think I never understood about the Asgard Experiments on humans is why didn't they just ask them for some volunteers?
From what I could tell the experiments weren't harmful in any way so given that and all the Asgard did for earth I'm sure some people would be willing to volunteer
Most parents would volunteer simply for children's lives
they are not dumb enough to think in less sophisticated approach...
@@sentival they are so smart they became dumb to the obvious answers
The Asgard likely viewed asking humans to submit to experimentation as unethical as the asgard have a lopsided amount of power in the relationship.
It would be like a parent asking a small child for a kidney. From thier perspective.
@@theyux1 Offering humans something in return would be ethical, they could have offered them health related technology that cured illness or something. Doing that would not only benefit the Tauri but it would also help them in their goal of trying to find a cure for their own problems as humans would live longer and healthier.
Stargate was basically my first exposure to most of Norse mythology. I knew Thor as a little grey alien before anything else. Having since seen the MCU, and become familiar with the Marvel comics and original myth, it is hilarious to me that the rule-breaking, mischievous scientist messing with humanity was Loki. I think Heimdall was also a prominent Asgard. These names meant nothing at the time.
So true Hiccup! This was the case for me as well…
having grown up in sweden learning about the Aesir AND watching stargate, it was amazing! i absolutely love mythology, both the "true" and the adaptations they have in some shows! i think both Stargate and Marvel did a great job making it fun to watch while still maintaining some parts of the myths!
Not sure if Marvel follows Norse mythology well but Heimdell in the movies is the gatekeeper for the Bifrost. He defends Asgard from attack and operates it to send and retrieve people from the realms.
This episode floored me and I was SOOO ready for Daniel to become a staple on the show. Hahahah
He's my fav character so sue me lol
Lolest!!!! It would have been great Dan Nation!
He's my favorite from SG1 and Sheppard is for SGA
This was a legitimately great twist. You know the Asgard’s are a part of this whole story, but ignore them completely since they’re associated with SG1. But it makes complete sense to see them here, and when you do…damn lol
As bad as i felt about rogue asgard of this much evil, I still admire them as a race. Hurts to know that they are gone.
It’s not real. Get a grip.
@@Jamal-jv8yc what is your issue?
I think it was stupid for them to blow themselves up, but hey it was a win for humanity. They got their technology.
@cainabel6356 humanity got a 20000 year at least technology jump start aside from ori or in milky way no one was more advanced apart from the knox .had been a new show earth would eventually build a fleet of probably 100 bc 304 or bigger ships probably adopting Role of peacekeepers
Hurts even more that SG got cancelled & is no more.
This is one of the loose ends that existed and frustrated me. If SGC discovered THE or AN genetic DNA and Memory data bank of all Asgard minds and memories (perhaps they all wirelessly updated with each new scan no matter where they were in the universe and perhaps some lay forgotten), they could help these remaining Asgard go the right way about fixing their gene pool and resurrecting their race without all the side effects of cloning. I could picture a Human/Asgard looking Thor suddenly awakening and seeing his Human friends and wondering what the hell happened.
Joe Malozzi revealed that the Asgard Archive Datacore on board the Odyssey DOES in fact have a copy of all the Asgard Minds in the hopes that Humanity would someday solve their cloning problem and could essentially resurrect the Asgard Race.
@@Seastallion hadn't heard that myself. Makes it interesting and a good possibility though.
@@theghost6412 I thought it was outwardly implied in the sg1 finale?
@@wildcardcomet I always thought I had seen the finale, but now I am beginning to question whether i did or not.
@@Seastallion which gets more interesting cause in the books, there was a asgard that ascended before the degredation of the species, and she decides to descend to mortality to give them access to her DNA, helping them to fix the issue. that means that the asgard could come back and reinhabit their galaxy.
Hard to argue with that "look where it got them".
I love that last line .. Look where it got them. You can stand on your high horse and your morals. But if at some point it hurts you more that it helps, why? Going full blown the ends justify the means is wrong. But so is the opposite end, refusing to act due to high morals or ethics. Life requires balance, both good and evil unfortunately.
What wise words Walter… I agree 100%! Life happens in the grey…
@@creativenationpictures Asgard grey... What a coincidence :-D
"stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters" - javik, mass effect 3
Benjamin Sisko has a few thoughts (having just rewatched in the pale moonlight)…
@@mattwing05 Honor is the only thing a ghost can have. The material world that they left is no longer of any relevance to them.
I get a power ranger vibe from this guys
Even teenagers aren't this cruel.
I always found it amazing that SG1 was so against Loki/ the Vanir experimenting I mean a few human lives vs a entire races survival we all know humanity wouldn’t do anything different if the roles where reversed.
Of course there plan to kill millions over killl.
They stopped cause the cloning had gone to far and humans couldn't reverse it the Asgard couldn't turn back into breeders and just moved on to other things like nanobots and mind control ships . Some still thought humans had there salvation but as seen here even with free reign for thousands of years they still cant reverse it only slow it showing the Asgard were right .What they shoulda done was look into the Unas and they woulda been fine :D
@@atthesink How would the unas help with this situation?
What they actually did in the end was ask an ascended asgard for help (after trying to de-ascend and kidnap them of course).
It was stated that even with the help of the de-ascended asgard that had reproductive organs it would still take time for them to rectify the problems they had caused by generations of cloning and they had a significant chance of failure.
@@harryhall4001 the Unas part was a joke as they are strong heal rapid and live for thousands of years normally n looked cool and weren't really used much outside the first hosts.
It is social commentary, very relevant to us since our species has taken tremendous leaps in science and healthcare through horrific human experiments.
Few [human] lives vs entire [alien] race survival.
Ask yourself what you would value most and ask honestly.
Daniel really didn’t pull it off here. It didn’t matter what he say. That vanir went like „uhm yeah… but… they are dead. So why are you talking?“ 😂😂
In any new Stargate series I want them to find a "cure" for the asgard and bring them back.. the whole point of leaving behind their entire collective data was because they also saved their conciousness in that computer too right? To be brought back if they humans could find a way?
You can't have stargate without the Asgard! 😂
I don't think they saved their collective conciousness, but it would be great if they did, just in case there was a way to help them.
Would probably have to enlist help from the Gadmeer worldship that's currently xenoforming that world from "Scorched Earth". We will have to send a battlecruiser on a careful approach to the world, establish contact and negotiate with the AI for services in exchange for their knowledge on how to re-seed a dead race.
Honestly I figured the Pegasus replicators would have been the perfect solution for them. We know they are perfectly capable of consciousness within a synthetic construct. Their consciousness in a body that can perfectly replicate itself without the diminishing returns of cloning would have been ideal and they could have continued researching a biological solution if they so desired.
Yeah and then they become the new villains. Why be the babysitters to a bunch idiot humans when you can rule over them.
@@doords naw man, I want the good guys back.. they already have the morally gray (no pun intended) Asgard in Pegasus!
This is the way!
Said the badass Asgard in full armor....
I like how the Asgard theme has that little evil twist to it
I love the continuity presented in SG1 and Atlantis.
Indeed!! The benefit of having a passionate group of writers who love what they do!!
Lol I just love how it's just as sarcastic as the other asgard. That flat 'mmmm' when he says the noble asgard are dead.
I love Daniels Face when he sees an Asgard in the Pegasus Galaxy!I had the same Face when i saw a Asgard in the Atlantis Series!
I never heard Dr Jackson so angry in a long time.
This is the way.
The only way unfortunately, too much at stake!!
Oh snap talk about spitting facts over here. Daniel may not agree but that Asgard is right
100% J S! When one is facing the extinction of your species… you must do everything you can to survive!
That Asgard music tho....
Disney Mandalorians: _This is The Way._
Ay...Caramba!
Thor likes the yellow ones.
Hes dead 😒
Atlantic season 5 = SG1 season 12
lil guy ain’t wrong. Morality goes out the window when pure survival is at stake
i grew up watching stargate sg1, then atlantis, and finally universe... there is just such a huge part of my brain that is engraved with all the stories and characters, i have rewatched it so many times! i really hope Amazon treats it well, and makes a real faithful continuation, with a proper handoff with the originals!
So true… I’ve probably rewatched SG-1 6 times, Atlantis 3 times and Universe twice… it by far my favorite…
I’m quietly optimistic that Amazon will treat it with respect…
i always see sg1 as trash tv yet it always aired on a channel when i grew up, so it was a memorable. and in this clip, iv learned so much about nothing in less than 4 min i never thought i knew after just lazy watching some episodes throught the years. great scene.
I just realized something, the travelers made there first colony on a planet in long time, the asguard venturing out into galaxy. I wonder if there is some sort of connection between the asguard and travelers?
Would have been even more epic if the Asgard also opened up and out popped a Furling at the end.... and they are the super baddies of S6 and S7. Tech powered and clones and intricate knowhow of Stargate etc
I just don’t see them being the bad guys…
But that’s would have been epic!!
in one of the expanded books they wrap up the story line with the Vanir actually finding a solution. The Vanir remake the though future generation will find their actions deplorable, at least their will be future generations.
Daniel probably right now: I miss Thor.
I believe if SGA wasn't cancelled, and got 5 further seasons, some of these Asgard would have come forward as rejecting their methods, and the Asgard as we knew them wouldn't have been fully lost.
I'm so mad we didn't get to see more of these new Asgard. Just one more season of Atlantis to tie up the loose ends. Or a finale movie like we got for SG1.
Its makes me sad that thor died yet these lot survived 😢
thats some logic bomb!
"They always did the right thing for the right reasons. The end never justifies the means."
"Which is why they met their end. They no longer have any justice or any means."
When things go bad - it is the ruthless and efficient who survive, who prevail, who continue, who win.
Couldn’t have said it better P!!! I agree!! Survival of the fittest, ruthless and efficient!
@@creativenationpicturesand no Ascención for them,!
@@creativenationpictures Ruthless and Efficient are not words I would use to describe 'Survival of the Fittest'
Daniel could have proposed using Felger's virus to disable all the stargates in the galaxy.
wasnt only bAAl knew how to do that, they did they mention it when atlantis got lost in space, but never seen them try to do it again without baal.
I kinda agree to everything the asgard here just said. He is completely right.
But so was Daniel. A conflict where both sides are right is good storytelling and writing.
Unless you are the humans being experimented on! Jack O'Neill and his clone (Jonathan O'Neill)
@@mackgiver875 But Daniel's earth is not sitting at the precipice of extinction like vanir, aesir, or altetearan lantians were. If it was I think his thinking might change a little bit.
@@Not-Ap Certainly, but Daniel and the SGC represents humanity "finding a better way" rather than say, the way things would be if the NID and that Kinsey moron were running the show. Same species, same planet, different values. The Vanir represent what can happen to those good, honorable people when all of their "better" options have been exhausted. Then it becomes a matter of triage.
@@mackgiver875 A good and honorable person doesn't become worse when times are tough.
Man, first we get those weird robot-like aliens in the "Daedalus Variations" and then the return of the Asgard, but now as enemies.
...And then the show had to end!
I could see a Stargate movie where they hijack the Odyssey on a resupply trip to Atlantis and use the core from the Season 10 ending to create new clones of the Asgard stored in the core. SG-1 reunites and is joined by Sheppard's team and General O'Neill to go after the ship and find Thor is alive again.
so sad to see that we never got a name for any of the atlantis asgard
One is named in the books: “Dis”
“Encountered them, bitch I am Thor!”
This scene was crazy
Oh if only there was a 5th Season of Atlantis.
I propose that SG1 could have brought back the Asgard in our own galaxy. Starting with blank clones like the one created by Colson Industries, they could have used the repository of knowledge (Ancient face-sucker) on them. Ethical? I don't know. Useful? Definitely.
Even if they are a bit more evil I like that the Asgard go on living in Pegasus galaxy. Hopefully one day they solve their problems ... but I think they are just playing for time, like the rest of us.
The Vanir are more amoral, the ends justify the means.
This soundtrack is amazing.
After the eight season of SG-1 it was just downhill, killing of the Asgards and ageing Teal'c...made me waste many hours for the two seasons.
The stories we could have gotten had they not killed off the Asgard or ended Stargate Atlantis
My idea for season 6.
I would really enjoy a scenario where the Vanir get into a full scale fight with Atlantis and ultimately overplay their hand and underestimate Atlantis... in the climax episode, multiple Daedalus class ships show up at the last moment to save Atlantis by quickly making an example out of one of the Vanir ships (cause lets be real just ONE Daedalus class Destroyer could probably explode most of their fleet) and force them to surrender their fleet or be destroyed. This forces them into agreeing to a diplomatic position where they along with their fleet are supplied by Atlantis with the intergalactic drives that the Daedalus destroyers use (A deal too good to refuse), giving them the ability to return back to the milky way galaxy (The Vanir had all their intergalactic capable ships destroyed much earlier on by the Wraith). Once they return to the Milky Way, The "Tau'ri" scout out multiple suitable planets and present the options to the Vanir for settlement where they can rebuild their civilization under the protection of the Tau'ri with an eventual alliance forming. Because the Vanir are not necessarily "evil" or even "bad guys", they are simply desperate to save their race. And without the threat of attack or annihilation (And easy living on a warm, pleasant planet) they would most assuredly cease all hostilities and become good allies.
The Tau'ri could then give them all the supply they need for research in terms of human stem cells and genetic data, hell even Terminally ill humans could willingly volunteer to allow experimentation on them and use of their physical bodies/organs after death, (not much different from current organ donation practices in modern western society). Also the Tau'ri, between any ancient labs they find on earth... and or the Atlantis database, they might be able to find some ancient genetic science that helps the Vanir with their issue or solves in entirely.
And just like that, The Asgard return from "extinction" and can now spend the next couple hundred years rebuilding their civilization under the protection of Earth. Earth can even transport more technology and raw materials to the new Asgard home world than they themselves could possibly produce and give them a giant step forward in rebuilding. Within 40 years they would be a thriving, prosperous civilization and probably already settling colonies on a few other planets.
I love this fanfiction! Good idea!
Heh.... Once earth was a protectorate of the Asgard... Now the remaining Asgard tribe, the Vanir become a protectorate of earth... Oh how the turns have tabled....
I think the vanirs would surpass earth's capabilities as a power in the galaxy, and within 5 years become a superpower in the milky way
@@dodododo1761 Possible. That depends on how many Vanir are left and how well they can ward of the recursive genetic disorder that repeated cloning induced.
@@dodododo1761 How? 8 billion Taur'i on just Earth... with military bases that will turn into colonies all over the galaxy vs TEENY TINY numbers of surviving Vanir.
Taur'i have Tech from the recently deceased modern Asgard that had a TEN THOUSAND YEAR tech development legacy over the vanir who have stagnated from simply trying to survive. It should theoretically take the Vanir another 10,000 years to just reach the level of advancement that the milky way Asgard reached, the Vanir showed similar levels of tech yet... almost inferior in some ways to the Travelers.
And the most glaring issue here the fact that with Earth's help and their own milky way home world established they would have a MUCH harder up hill battle relative to the Asgard had 10000 years ago because the Asgard 10,000 years ago had a firmly established empire spanning two galaxies at least and the Vanir have ONE PLANET, they would spend the next 100 years simply trying to get their numbers up to sustainable levels and build something resembling a civilization (assuming they fixed all their issues and can reproduce properly).
I mean, the only reason earth is able to take advantage of the new tech and galactic power they have established is because they have the highest population of any single world in the milky way and as such a massive industrial base and unmatched resource extraction ability to supply the industry.
The Vanir would certainly thrive AND build a thriving civilization at a record setting pace but what you just said is very out to lunch XD
The thankfully since the Asgard are not entirely extinct this group can hopefully save their species with the help of Atlantis thus the Asgard will finally prevail.
I remember watching this episode when it aired thinking OOOOOH SHIIIII they brought them back! Then like oh okay….they killed them again 😂
So basically, Asgards still would be alive, if they had expremimented on humans, like those of Pegase ...
Pegasus.
If Daniel was a better negotiator there probably could have been an amicable end to this episode.
(Of course plot has to happen because plot but still.)
Yes well, Daniel is a typical self-righteous and judgemental academic with no real hard grip on the real world. Hence, he really is a lousy negotiator as he finds it impossible to compromise. Carson Beckett was much the same. He was far too rigid.
@@ronaldsmith6829 There's some people you DON'T compromise with.
Watching these episodes again and just like when I watched it all those years ago, I have one issue. That dogfight between the Asgard ships and Larrin's faction was complete bullshit. They're the same race that gave us the weapons technology to destroy Ancient and Ori ships with ease. The Asgard are so much more advanced than us, it's not even funny. How in the hell was that hunk o' junk able to even take a single shot from the Asgard ships, let alone destroy one? It just doesn't make sense. Sure, you could argue that it had been thousands of years since these Asgards used ships so they were rusty, or that they simply didn't have the resources to make something more powerful, but they didn't even try to explain it. It's a plothole that the audience needs to rationalize in their minds. That's just always bothered me
Gut punch.
A not so benevolent offshoot of the Asgard.
I still think SGA should have explored the Asgard in this universe. It would’ve been cool as well if the Asgards discovered a secret storage device that contained all the minds of Asgard . So in case the Tau’ri ever discovered or solved the problem of degradation then the computer start immediately downloading the minds into new bodies.
Interesting Erik Lindgren… that would be so cool…
Apparently after the season 5, the rebel Asgards were going to be the new bad guys…
@@creativenationpictureswhere hear that?
Loki would be saying :
THEY CALLED ME A MADMAN
LOKI IS ASGARD'S THANOS!
If jack was there, he would say "this is how you thank the us after we saved your grey butts from the replicators"
lol they reused the Asgard suits as the spacesuits on board Destiny in SG-U
Luis, you’ve got a good eye, and memory…😉
I'd have loved to see these Asgard experiment on Wraith like Michael to see if they could overcome their genetic degredation.
He’s got you there Daniel.
Given what humans do to entire species for pleasure or quarterly profits, don’t even try to tell him that a species can’t experiment on a handful of another species to prevent their own extinction.
Andy L! You are 100% no moral high ground here…
Loki was killed by Thanos... Oh, wrong universe
In this universe, Thanos invented Naquadria.
When I first saw this I was like "NO WAY!!!"
I was shocked when they took Atlantis off the air. I just knew the Vaner was going to be the new big bad.
Indeed… but I just can’t see those cuties being the bad guys…
Would have been interesting though…😉
I can't bring myself to believe that they were evil. They were just desperate and more free from the good-guy dogma of SG-1. Sure, it was awesome to see that the race is not extinct, it was a bit jaw-opening that they shared more of Loki's mindset. But if a season 6 ever happened, I wouldn't want them to be antagonists. More like neutral race that became tentative allies, until, with the help of humans and their Asgard database, they managed to find a way to stabilize the racial genetics.
I think the Asgard deserved as much. First having their race wiped out and then the rest of it being evil, ripe for destruction, that would be an even sadder end of the most awesome alien race ever.
well they are one extreme the AS guard race was the other a hybrid of the two would have been better for them in the long run not wiping all humans out but also not ignoring human experimentation to save themselves by using human clones to experiment on
What do you mean by "evil?" Is it anything more than the willingness to harm innocents for one's own benefit?
@@BladeOfLight16 When by "one" you mean the entire race, it's hardly anything humans wouldn't do. In fact, that's the only thing humans do.
@@becausebuzzbomb6133 What exactly does that prove? Humans are bent toward evil. That isn't news. It's a realization more ancient than written language.
I would have been like good point; I mean Thor and his people did help but in the end they all died. It's the simple equation of a man comes upon two trains which one does he talk. In this equation there are two men and two trains.
thought the stargate team would have mention to the milky way asgards that there was a planet full of clones which they could have shared to them.sure they were enemies in the end.also be great been a great cross over of the sg1 and alantis series when the writers started thinking of a spin off series.
I must have missed this episode...
I think you are due for a binge marathon…😉
Was it Robert Picardo that voiced this Vanir? He sounds familiar.
I actually don’t know hey… I know Michael Shanks voiced Thor, but it seems the Vanir’’a voice actor wasn’t credited… what a bummer!
I like how they are talking like Asgards , but it still spooked me
👽les Asgards , je vous aime trooop ❤❤❤❤
I know Anne-Sophie Boudra… the Asgards are my favorite!!!
❤❤❤the azgard❤❤❤❤❤
Can't even argue with him
Anyone read the books? You can read what happened after TV series. Books are really good and continue story of this new asgard also.
I actually have never read the books… can you please share a link where I can find them?