624: The Debate Debacle & Our Broken Political Parties with Chris Butler & Justin Giboney
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- In this special episode, Kaitlyn and Skye are joined by the co-hosts of the Church Politics podcast, Justin Giboney and Chris Butler, to discuss the fallout from last week’s presidential debate. Will President Biden drop out? What does the Supreme Court’s ruling about presidential immunity mean for a possible second Trump term? And why have both political parties nominated candidates who are demonstrably incapable of fulfilling the presidential oath of office? It’s a wide-ranging conversation about the broken state of American politics and where Christians can find hope.
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4:35 - Recapping the Presidential Debate
10:00 - Fallout from Biden’s Debate Performance
22:00 - Our Broken Political System
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42:41 - Predictions for the rest of the election season
1:05:10 - Trump Immunity Case Ruling
1:19:00 - End Credits
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We chose Biden, because of Trump's actions. If we put Trump back in office we can expect that he will act the same way.
Johnson’s assertion that it’s OK for the president to be immune because no president would abuse that authority is… interesting…
…. Bidens actions as a failure is what is putting Trumk back in the White House I’m afraid. Biden has been very poor on the economy for many people as evidenced by the skyrocketing home prices and grocery bills, and very poor on foreign policy as evidenced by Middle East chaos and Ukraine invasion . People are voting Trump for exactly that, his actions first time round minus the rhetoric , we enjoyed a sound economy and a stable globe 🤷♂️
@@Justanotherconsumer That's just a patently stupid thing to say.
@@Justanotherconsumer that's why we wanted Obama over Bush then Trump over Obama
@@hgservices5572lol you always manage to get things exactly wrong. It's very impressive.
Our recent inflation is corporate greed that was kicked off by supply chain issues brought about by a global pandemic that your wannabe dictator horribly mismanaged. Do you think it's a coincidence that these big companies have been seeing record profits since we started to recover from the pandemic and get back to normal?
The current events in Israel, Palestine, and Ukraine are a result of Trump's actions. Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is a stated motivation for Hamas attacking them on October 7th. Also, Trump leaked Israeli intelligence to Russia (can't say if it was intentional, but it was bad regardless), which may well have spread to Hamas and helped them plan the attack.
As for Ukraine, Trump paid lip service to criticizing Russia not did little to actually curtail them or their interests. He lifted sanctions against them and was very reluctant to impose new ones. He did nothing to counter Russia after the Kerch Strait incident. He spent his whole term undermining NATO and making Putin confident that they wouldn't meaningfully aid Ukraine if they were invaded.
There are only two reasons to vote for Trump: he'll be a personal benefit to you if he's elected (he owes you a favor, you'll get a position in his administration, etc...), or you're ignorant.
The elephant in the room is the legal coup occurring with the Scotus and Project 2025. 😞
the uncomfortable reality is David French is the main voice against it. many of the stated goals are things that at least nominally sound good to evangelicals. its a cold pot being brought slowly to boil.
I think project 2025 will be one of his finest accomplishments yet . MAGA and Trump 2024
@@hgservices5572 both of those things are fascist.
The president of the Heritage Foundation said, “We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
@@hgservices5572 also, the entire reason that Project 2025 even exists in the first place is because Trump was too stupid to be able to do a theocracy the first time he was elected.
@@hgservices5572 I see you are writing comments to get reactions from people. I ask you to please read some history-USSR, 3rd Reich, Pinochet, Ceaucescu, Orban, Putin, Xi, etc. Like Bannon, you seem to get your jollies being cruel in these comments. This is not the way of Jesus, no matter how you try to spin it.
What a great discussion. I especially appreciate the reminder to focus on what we can do in our churches and communities AND that we should avoid the gloom and doom because we have the Savior and an active and powerful God.
A more accurate snapshot of the candidates would be to watch the rallies each gave the night after the debate. 45 spoke in VA, Biden in NC. Compare those two speeches and decide who is mentally fit to hold the office. Decide who wants to work for the people and who wants to work for himself.
If you are pro Biden , don’t invite us to do that
Or before, this wasn't the 1st time Biden has proven himself an inept mannequin or a dead character from Weekend at Bernie's
Why is that more accurate?
@@jdtreharne Because they each got to present their policies and plans without the time constraints and specific questions. During the debate, Trump repeated the same basic 30 lies over and over in a bold way. Biden looked tired, overwhelmed, and definitely had a 'bad performance'. I don't make my choice on one performance, good or bad. Nor do I look at age. I look at the data and the results of their policies on the country. The rallies the following night allowed both candidates more time to lay out their plans and tell us what they accomplished while they were president. I hope you were able to watch both, or at least find transcripts of each to read for yourself. (reading takes the 'ecstatic showmanship' out) And if you have time, look up some of the other rallies from each.
The Democratic Party with the “moral high ground.” That’s the funniest joke I’ve heard in a while
The moral high ground is imaginary by a biased democrat . They smell poop in only one direction, theirs doesn’t stink .
Given 45 it’s a very, very low bar.
Team red is one thing, team orange is something else entirely.
@@hgservices5572does the excrement on your side of the political aisle stink? I'm asking because I never see you bring it up, much less criticize or condemn it.
Looks like they deleted the comment hour responding to @average or at least I don’t see it .
What do you think Maga is ? Maga is subgroup of constituents who are unhappy with the status wuo establishment Republican rank . We have a problem with Mitch McConnell AND chuck schumer . Why do you think Lyndsey graham gets booed at a Maga rally ?why do you think people like former speaker Paul Ryan are not received ? Republicans and democrats can get criticism in this movement . You don’t understand MAGA
@@hgservices5572 I understand MAGA better than you understand the left. I may even understand MAGA better than you do.
I'm kinda disappointed that Skye just quickly dismissed third party candidates. Chris was trying to make the point that this two party system has been getting worse and we should start rethinking letting it persist. Skye ignored that and chose to criticize the two parties for getting Trump and Biden back as our two candidates, as to reinforce that we should have this system. I really hope we can unbrainwash our selves at some point.
because we use first-past-the-post instead of any kind of real majority system mathematically the only thing a third party can really do is displace one of the two parties. that has happened. though the modern system one of the two parties will likely absorb the third party. that's a big part of how we got trump in the first place. 2016 was a banner year for third party voting. I believe the total for all third party votes in 2016 was around 15% split among 4 candidates though.
That’s because they are dyed in the wool democrats before anything else
We've got to get ranked choice voting, then we can have viable 3rd party candidates.
Robert Kennedy is an awful, immoral candidate. He was accused by a former babysitter of sexual assault. He shouldn't have been on the stage.
@@hgservices5572not really, but even if they were, it would still be better than being a fascist.
It was great having Chris and Justin as a part of this discussion. They each brought a lot of salient points and good insight. I’d love to see them more often on The Holy Post.
I agree! Their perspective brought me new thoughts and comfort.
You still refuse to talk about Project 2025 AND THE COMPLICITY OF THE CHURCH
Can you please put the tinfoil hat back on your head your conspiracy theories are showing
@@hgservices5572Project 2025 isn't a conspiracy. It's all spelled out on their website.
@@hgservices5572do you know what's in Project 2025?
@@hgservices5572 I'd suggest that you try reading Project 2025's "Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise", but it's 920 pages and you're utterly incapable of reading anything longer than a bumper sticker.
3 eyes , Trump is going to be your president soon , how does that make you feel ?😬
I can say , if you hate project 2025 , nobody needs to read it , we know it’s good
I think one of the main reasons we are at the place that we are now is due to our unsatiable addiction to opposition politics, or what Justin calls negative partisanship. It is far easier to engage in politics based upon my opposition to the other than positive visions forward. Both democrats and republicans are very guilty of tilling and fertilizing the soil of opposition politics because it is politically expedient.
Personally, I think some of the most disastrous and detrimental policy decisions of my life have come in the name of "resisting Trump".
“Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils." G.K. Chesterton
Which are those disasters that were done in the name of resisting Trump?
I hear of a lot of concerns about overreach in resisting COVID-19 as criticism of the current administration, for example.
@@Justanotherconsumer you and I have already discussed this at length in other threads, and I don't have a lot of hope for sincere dialogue here, but as a refresher, COVID policies, particularly when they came to shuttering schools and small businesses, have been some of the greatest detrimental policies to those already on the margins that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The enormous transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class to the wealthy and largest corporations due to shuttering small businesses is enormous and something that gets very little airtime. The K economic recovery is a massive issue. Additionally, the disproportionate destruction to already marginalized children in shutting down schools and keeping them closed for longer than necessary, will have long-lasting generational effects that we won't be able to truly measure.
@@StumblingThroughItAll you think the movement of money from poor to rich started with COVID?
@@thetruest7497 Nope. Definitely did not start there, but certainly accelerated faster than we have seen in recent history due to very specific policy decisions.
@@StumblingThroughItAll it started with Reagan tax cuts. That was essentially the death of the middle class. But that's neither here nor there.
Are you denying that COVID caused tremendous amounts of death?
This was a really good episode for the most part. However there was one part that kinda shocked me. It is important to look at both sides and see what each is doing right or wrong, and I'm not one of these guys that will complain any time someone says the phrase "both sides..." but when Skye said Democrat politicians supporting Biden even though he's too old is the same hypocritical behavior as Republican politicians supporting Trump even though he's morally bankrupt and corrupt, I was baffled. Republicans supporting Trump after he tried to stay in office even though he lost, lying to his base until they got so riled up they attacked, paying off an adult film start to stay quiet about their affair, having a plan to input only loyalists in any government position he can, is the same thing as trying to have a united front behind an old guy so that first guy doesn't have a chance to come in and perhaps do worse than he's already done? It's like so many people have told them that "both sides-ing" is bad that Skye has just dug his heels in and refused to see any difference even when the difference is clear.
You’re delusional . You got the whole story wrong because you drink too much of that liberal media kool aid - not your fault though , you’re just a victim 🤷♂️ it’s all good, Trump will be president soon and it will be for your own good , promise
@@hgservices5572 A promise is only as good as the person who makes it.
@@3eyedcyclopsa certain Tommy Boy quote comes to mind.
@@hgservices5572are you immune to the Illusory Truth Effect?
@@hgservices5572 You’re delusional . You got the whole story wrong because you drink too much of that conservative media kool aid - not your fault though , you’re just a victim it’s all good, Biden will be president soon and it will be for your own good , promise
Spare a prayer 🙏for the UK, where there is already a General Election happening on the 4th of July😯. Politics is (not quite?) a mess as in the USA but not far behind.
Skye, please let your guests talk. You talked over them several times.
At the 43:50 mark, Skye asks THE QUESTION: ‘What’s it gonna take for everyone to step up and say collectively what everyone knows to be true?’ I think the answer is “The Church”. In part, this is why Jesus prayed for unity in his Church, because the way forward is understanding that there will always be disagreements when it comes to political issues, party platforms and political candidates with Christians. And so, we must listen to people who don’t experience the world the way we do; be a student and not just a critic (my worldview isn’t perfect); never burn a relational bridge over a political point of view (the person beside me is more important than my political view - John 13:34). The Church still has influence, but we have much to learn.
Good morning from the sizzling hot SF Bay Area. Thank you for this complex and insightful discussion. My heart is breaking over this constellation of terrible choices. I have never, and probably will never, vote for a Republican. I grew up in a large Evangelical clan, my father and grandfather were ministers, but I saw from a very young age the church had precious little to do with Jesus' teachings, so I took a different spiritual path. The fact that so many Christians, including many in my family, found it acceptable to vote for that malignant man defies all that I was taught to revere, the Golden Rule, the Beatitudes.
I think Skye's summation at the end to vote with the world in mind is an excellent barometer. The Malignant One will be a dictator from day one, he will pull us out of NATO so he can join with Putin and his other dictator pals. There is plenty of reason to be afraid. Jesus did not return to save us from WWII and millions of people died. You cannot live your life in hopes that he will magically save us from the decisions we make today. Use your eyes, your ears, your God given intelligence, your faith, and all the faculties that you have been given to act in a righteous way. Blessings.
I agree with you!
I watched a clip of Bannon on his podcast interviewing one of the authors of Project 2025 from the Heritage Foundation. Bannon had a glint in his eye and his affect was jovial as he talked about his delight at putting wounded veterans and the disabled into camps within the first 180 days if Trump is re-elected. The HF guy had a flat affect, much like Stephen Miller. Both seem aroused at the thought of rounding up the disabled and wounded.
Bannon lauded the tactics of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Ceausescu, Orban and others. He described the methods. Local, loyal MAGA police, on routine traffic stops would harass everyday citizens by threatening them with jail time if they didn’t give up the names of disabled or “illegals” they knew. This tactic would terrify many to the point that most would succumb and turn in the names of illegals and disabled they knew. This happened in the USSR,, The 3rd Reich, Italy, Hungary, Russia now, etc.
Kaitlyn talks about not being apocalyptic. The tactics have been used in history and they are being used now. Talk about not seeing with our own eyes what is happening and what can happen within the first 180 days of a Trump 2nd term is NUTS.
@@juliaruggieri3749 It's horrifying.
@@chappellroseholt5740 yep. Hitler euthanized 600 thousand disabled children and adults before the first death camp was constructed. It was eventually called “Aktion T4”. Hitler used the tactics Bannon and the Heritage Foundation author described on his podcast last week (before he went to prison on Monday). In genocides, disabled are often the first victims. They are easy, often quiet, often helpless without caregivers etc. Bannon quoted Trump about the need “to “cleanse the population (much like Hitler
Can’t wait to vote Trump ! It’s going to be a glorious presidency ! You’re welcome for your own good 😉
Thank you for not being silly. There are times to be silly and times to be serious. This is a serious time.
Seriously awesome! Can’t wait to see trump as president ! And it’s looking more inevitable every day ! Woo!
@@hgservices5572you're in a cult.
The old guard DNC's stance ("We'd rather lose and retain scraps of power than relinquish power to someone who might win.") reminds me of sidelining Bernie Sanders in 2016.
Fascism 101: Scare people. Present a bully who promises to defeat the demons.
Biden isn’t much of a hero.
Fascism, as described by Eco, includes a cult of heroism - dying gloriously or otherwise sacrificing everything for the cause.
For a whole lot of people Biden is just a not-Trump and a boring one, which is not fascist at all.
The DNC is an elite club who do not care about the will of its constituents but rather acts as a closed business of corporate ceos who do what’s best for them and their power. Bernie was sidelined twice and he took it , the dnc acts like the mafia, crooked and corrupt. Look at what’s being done to RFK as well. They are a sad bunch evil group
Bernie lost in 2016 because he was an unpopular candidate
@@hgservices5572the difference between the RNC and the DNC is that the RNC was able to trick their voters into supporting policies that benefit their billionaire donors at their expense, so that they don't have to choose between appealing to their base and pleasing their donors.
Y'all are voting against your own interests.
Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He should not have even been allowed in the Primaries. He SHOULD have been sidelined. If Sanders wanted to run as a Democratic Socialist, he should have done that. But the whining is soooo old.
I’d rather have the old man than the con man
Um... they're both old, and they both have tried to con people in different ways, whom did you have in mind for which?
@@1001thhillif you don't realize the extent that Trump is a con artist, then you're his mark.
So Trump then ? Agreed Maga !
@@hgservices5572 You have a bumper sticker where your soul ought to be. Can bumper stickers go to heaven within the religious ideology that you were indoctrinated with?
@@hgservices5572you're in a cult.
Any talk about Trump deflects attention away from your own guy's problems. And its not going to work anymore.
Lol both sides do that. That's how politics works. That doesn't mean that both sides are equally bad though. Fascism is always worse than the alternative.
Let them cope . They are all going through the 5 stages of grief right now . The rest of the sane can’t wait for Trump to clean up this mess Biden has gotten us into
@@averageuser4367 the "fascist" claim is a Democratic scare tactic and not verifiably true--whereas, mental decline is something plainly seen. Scare tactics are a last resort when you see your power slipping. And when it comes to hanging onto power, no one wants it worse than Biden. Its time to take the keys of the car away from gramps and send him to the retirement home for good---but gramps doesn't want the keys of the car taken from him. He thinks he can still steer the ship and be leader of the free world into his late 80s! Gramps has wanted the white house for the last half a century, and now that he has it----he will likely stop at nothing to keep it. As far as mental faculties go---they don't get better with age. they get worse
@@impalaman9707 let's just say that what you're saying about scare tactics is true. Scare tactics have been the bread and butter for the Republican party since at least Reagan ("welfare queens").
Yes, Reagan had the showmanship and charisma to sell fake solutions to problems that he made up or exaggerated, but both Bushes didn't.
The modern day Republican party has quadrupled down on fear mongering. What does that say about them? That they know that they're not popular enough to win on their own merits? That they know that the only way they can win is to make up or exaggerate a bunch of problems and sell fake solutions all over again?
All of this would explain why the Republican party has won exactly one popular vote since Bill Clinton became President. That's why they're so desperate to win and use Project 2025 to transform the government into an autocracy while they still can. Their policies are unpopular and becoming more and more unpopular with every younger generation. They would rather give up on the very concept of democracy than change their antiquated ways of thinking.
@@impalaman9707oh, and please tell me exactly what fascism is and why it doesn't describe the Republican party.
Okay, just gotta say: nice to see it not be mostly pale faces for a change (well, mostly pale, sorry Skye), lol. Maybe in the future you could even do, say, a First Nations co-host or mostly women with a WOC or two.😊
Why?
So here are the current and near future hosts, Phil, Skye, Kaitlyn, and Esau. 1 whitest man ever, 1 mixed heritage 3rd culture man, 1 younger woman, 1 black man. Their ages are diverse with just less than 30 years between Phil and Kaitlyn. Now for their lack of diversity, they are all authors, and highly educated(Phil being self taught)
Would I be interested in a broader range of guests? Yes totally, would love some more indigenous voices, of both sexes, interacting with these hosts that I enjoy. But I could probably also just go out and look for podcasts that already have that content, if that's what I need.
What about an Islamic transgendered handicapped oreintal/goat for a change?
@@hgservices5572you must be fun at parties.
@@macdri such a racist comment.
@@bobbobberson5627 diversity is a good thing. If you disagree, you're probably racist.
Actually, I already know that you're racist because of you talking about Europe sending their best genetic stock to America and the rest of it being killed in the World Wars, so there's that.
Along with Biden, we get his team. Highly qualified individuals.
Conversely, along with Trump comes his team.
We have seen what happened in Red states.
We need to be more bothered by Project 2025 than the debate.
So what you are saying is that Biden does not truly run the country? That we are not voting for Biden, but for people, we don’t know who are behind the scenes pulling the strings? I understand that he has a cabinet, but this is a very poor argument and not Democratic.
@@hgservices5572It's much better to have a President that defers to SMEs than it is to have a President who thinks he knows everything and defers to nobody.
@@hgservices5572also, if this country was actually democratic, then the Republican party as it is would be nowhere near the levers of power in the federal government and in a good amount of state governments. They rely on voter suppression and gerrymandering to get even the power that they do have.
@average - it’s better to have a president who is not senile to make decisions than it is to have weekend at Bernie’s
@@hgservices5572 You sound more senile than Joe Biden.
Give democracy a chance and add more randomness. Each state sends, say, 10 qualified candidates. One of these 500 is chosen by lot to be president, one vice-president. Party affiliation and campaign finance become less important, etc.
This is the most interesting idea I've heard in a while
Boy, you’re smarter than the founding fathers ! Golly gee , call the president and let him know your idea 😐
@@hgservices5572lol it's better than anything you've ever suggested.
@@hgservices5572 You mindlessly parrot Republican bumper stickers. And you've never questioned the beliefs that you were indoctrinated with. Don't pretend that you're capable of evaluating other people's ideas, much less having any of your own.
Lyndon Johnson bowed out in 1968. His approval rating was at rock bottom because of Vietnam and supposedly was having health problems.
“Health problems” and “spending more time with family” are usually just politician speak for something that cannot be named (including a failed campaign).
@Justanotherconsumer true, and Biden using that excuse wouldn't even be an excuse just the truth.
Either way , dems have nobody . They polled Kamala against Trump and she loses as well . If the Biden camp wants to keep all that donor money , they have to run Biden or Kamala , can’t be transferred and neither can his delegates unless he drops out . Dena are going to elect to keep the money and lose . Trump is your next president boom
@@Justanotherconsumer Typically, that's true. But LBJ did have heart troubles while in office. He even had an actuary calculate his life expectancy based on his and his family's history. They told him he only had four years left. He didn't want the US to lose another president in office. He died 4 years and 2 days after Nixon was sworn in. (Source: Leo Janos, The Atlantic, July 1973)
Can’t wait for a Trump presidency ! 2024 is going to be a turning point for America ! The Democratic platform is perverse ! Make America great again ! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️
You're in a cult.
@hgservices5572 let's say for the sake of argument that homosexuality is a sin. So what? Jesus died for that sin too. Let's win people to Jesus and let Him sort them out.
When you rant and rave about the LGBTQ community, you may think you're doing a good thing. What you're actually doing is throwing out a piece of straw that adds to the collective harassment and judgment against them on the Internet.
Every time you do this, you're taking the chance that your comment could be the last straw that pushes someone to commit suicid3. It could be the last straw that pushes someone to shoot up a gay nightclub or murder their neighbor.
Since you're this politically conservative, I'm going to take an educated guess that you probably believe that hell will be eternal conscious torture for people who die without Jesus. If so, then I would like to remind you of the fact that this doctrine teaches that people can't turn to Christ after they die. They can't repent, from homosexuality or otherwise, when they're dead.
You're gambling with other people's lives by waging this culture war, and as far as you know, you're gambling with their eternal future as well. Whether or not anyone in the LGBTQ community dies because of your words will probably not affect you now, but you shouldn't want that on your resume by the time you face Jesus.
No sir, you are in a cult, the leftist death cult
@@hgservices5572 can you even tell me what a leftist is in the first place?
Isn’t that strange how you can say I am in a cult, but I can’t tell you that you are in a cult Without getting my comment removed? Even if I Took the time to tell you what leftist generally stand for it would be removed. I have to keep my responses to you short and shallow.
Wise words. Start now.
Can we talk about this problem with men shaping their identities around their jobs - which are “passing them by”? In what way are jobs passing men by? Because women are now a major part of the workforce.
Can we pause there for a moment? What, exactly, is the solution to some men being passed by for jobs because more women are working - is it to tell women they can’t work or is it to tell men that their identity isn’t in their job? Men are upset that it’s harder for MEN to find a job because WOMEN are working. Can we see how absurdly skewed and entitled that attitude is? Many women WANT to work, just as men do. So what is the solution? It’s not telling men their jobs are being taken by women. It’s teaching men how to live in the world that exists now.
Maybe a man needs to find a job a woman would prefer not to have . Like lifting bricks or heavy math . Things women don’t naturally gravitate towards ? Maybe the boys want to be nurses and need to get out of the way 😂
@@hgservices5572have you considered not being a sexist bigot?
@@hgservices5572 What do you want to do when you grow up? Just keeping saying dumb stuff on the internet?
Looks like you two are talking to yourselves again? My comment was removed so apparently what are you talking about ?
Looks like they are removing my comments on a slight delay ?😂
As much as I like Phil, Holy Post has awesome dynamics when he's absence too.
It amazes me that the holy posters who love to say that evangelicalism went off the rails when they went seeking after political power or some nonsense like that, seem to spend an awful lot of time lately discussing politics.
Practice what you preach !
They did go off the rails seeking political power. You just don't see it because you're asleep on the train.
They are for politics , just the wrong kind . Maga !
Left “Christians” don’t like it when evangelicals and others vote when they don’t vote democrat , other wise they love it . Vote your faith , vote Republican
@@hgservices5572if you don't think that Christians can have different political beliefs or vote differently than you do, then you've turned politics into your God. It's idolatry, pure and simple.
@@hgservices5572take note that whatever else I say about you or other conservative evangelical Republican Trump supporters, one thing I don't do is say that you're not Christians.
Skye: "I'm really happy because Phil is gone this week..." 😂🤣😂
If President Biden does not resign because of his health concerns, are those advising the President and President Biden himself following a Politics and Health Gospel, or a Political Gospel? From what I know, President Biden has not been examined medical doctor or neurologist soon after the debate. I been wondering if politics matters more than Joe Biden's health. Are they afraid of what the doctors might say?
They are caught between a rock and a hard place . Nobody is polling any better than biden who is losing against Trump right now, but mostly it’s the donor money . The money can’t be transferred unless the candidates are Biden or Harris . I think they’d rather keep the loot and lose , rather than forfeit it and try to start all over and probably lose anyway 🤷♂️ either way , it’s looking like a landslide victory for Trump . Question is , how bad ?
Hmm...For anyone to say that DT is "telling the truth" about anything is to admit you are not paying attention to what he is saying. It is an admission of ignorance, an inability to seriously study an issue, or discern anything about DT's character. I have been hiring people for 3 decades, and DT a classic example of someone I could not hire, even without a very rudimental backgorund check.
I'm downloading their podcast. Church Politics Podcast- Justin & Chris.
More of these guys as guest hosts please.🙏🏾 ❤
Oh that was depressing and heavy.
Depends who ask . I found it comical and sad . Trump derangement knows no cure
@@hgservices5572 if your leader has so many people opposed to him that a specific term has to be coined to explain it, you're probably in a cult.
Skye is flabbergasted.
He knows trump is going to win so he is trying to cope . Sad really . He apparently has Trump derangement syndrome
@@hgservices5572if your leader has so many people opposed to him that a specific term has to be coined to explain it, you're probably in a cult.
Where are the topic markers?
@move_i_got_this5659 Where is your decency? Where is your morality? Where is your outrage at the rise in infant mortality that self-professed "pro-life" Republicans in Texas have inflicted upon their constituents?
I think Justin is 'mostly' wrong about the SCOTUS rulings and how "both sides" would like/dislike based on the way the ruling came down. IMO most people I know on the democratic side only want the correct answer. At least 2 of the decisions this week are egregious and are not in the best interest of the country. Simply ridiculous comment and I disagree vehemently with his stance.
The purpose of the courts is to interpret the law, not to determine what is in the best interest of the country. That's the purview of the legislature.
@@jdtreharnein a functioning government, we wouldn't need to rely on the courts to update the law with new interpretations, but we don't have a functioning government. We have the Republican party to thank for that, since they're the ones who stepped up the partisan obstructionist nature of the legislature in the 90s.
@@averageuser4367 I agree which is why I support conservation, originalist justices who interpret the Constitution as it was understood when it was ratified. If you don't like any of the decisions passed down this week then you may actually be upset that they *didn't* add new interpretations to the Constitution.
@@jdtreharne show me where in the Constitution it says that the President has complete immunity for official acts with no other considerations, including motive. I'll wait.
@@averageuser4367 official acts are by definition within the law.
Wonder what Jason is doing now...🤔
Voting Maga !
@@hgservices5572 You have a bumper sticker where your soul ought to be. Can bumper stickers go to heaven within the religious ideology that you were indoctrinated with?
?? This sounds disturbing … do you suppose it’s time for another visit to your therapist ?
Dang the moderators don’t like a person saying anything contrary to their opinions, the removing of comments was heavy already 😂
YeetTube doing what it does. Never seen any evidence of an actual moderator from HP.
It has to be the moderator because I can say the same thing in right leaning podcast that’s just my guess I suppose
Or there simply is no pattern here? I literally only have this issue with left leaning podcasts .
@hgservices5572 it's youtube. It has weird algorithms for censorship. Sometimes you can see your post if you log into a different account and look. It's very odd.
@@hgservices5572if you stop commenting, you'll stop having this problem. ;)
Holy Post please mention the Palestinian Genocide please for five seconds at least.
Would have been no war in Ukraine or Gaza if the election of 2020 wasn’t stolen.
I am not sure that they will. I have a feeling they are pro genocide Joe.
@@robbower5489 to quote Luke Skywalker, "Amazing. Every word of what you just said is wrong."
@@hgservices5572the real problem is that Joe doesn't support the genocide enough, apparently.
For that you would have to talk to Benjamin Netanyahu
Maybe both parties need to remove their candidate and replace them with someone else.
Both parties aren’t in the same boat . The GOP overwhelming loves Trump , Biden is in decline in his OWN party , why would the GOP dump him just because the other guy doesn’t like him ?
At 9:30, Skye said that Trump was the same ol' Trump. And then proceeded to give the Democrat talking points like "He's belligerent. He uninformed. He lies constantly". You may have filtered your viewing of Trump that way throughout the debate. But to others, that description seems very fitting of Biden as Trump seemed very reserved, much more informed (and alive and coherent) than Biden, and what did Trump actually lie about? To me, I really don't care who wins the election as Jesus is King, and those of us who have entered His Kingdom love Him and obey His commands no matter whoever becomes President.
Who becomes president matters . The direction Biden is taking the country is the way of sodom . Vote Trump and Republican ticket if you have kids or grandkids in schools that are trying to brainwash them into confusion and perversion
@@hgservices5572 The sin of Sodom was radical inhospitality towards strangers and the needy. How do you think Trump's administration will be more hospitable to strangers and the needy?
@@hgservices5572
Ezekiel 16:49-50 NRSV
[49] "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. [50] They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it."
According to Ezekiel, Sodom was destroyed for a number of sins that are all too often ignored by conservative evangelicals. Homosexuality wasn't specifically referred to in the passage.
At most, homosexuality can be read into being referred to by "abominable things", but this is an assumption that's not warranted by the context. Lots of things were said to be "abominable" in the Law, including not keeping to a kosher diet. That word isn't a synonym for homosexual. Also, just because something was described using that word, that doesn't mean that it's still sinful today.
The story of Sodom and Gomorrah focused on the attempted gang rape of angelic visitors, an act of extreme violence and inhospitality. Rape is sinful and deplorable regardless of the sex or gender of those involved. If the men of Sodom were trying to break into Lot's house to rape his daughters, surely that wouldn't be seen as being innocent or good.
Furthermore, Genesis 18 emphasized the faithfulness and hospitality of Abraham, making it an additional contrast with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Hospitality was of great importance in the Ancient Near Eastern culture, and is still very important in non Western cultures to this day.
The literary and historical context of Genesis 19 points to the fact that homosexuality wasn't the sin that was being condemned. In fact, in using this passage to attack homosexuals, you're committing the very sin that the passage was written to condemn.
@ average you seem to think two things can’t be true at once. I’ve responded to your false doctrines a number of times only to have them removed so sit in your lies . 🤷♂️ you think you’re throwing strikes on everyone but this bowling ally has the bumpers on for ya kid
@@hgservices5572 what did you respond with? Elementary Sunday School lessons? That's as advanced as I've ever seen you talk about anything related to the Bible.
Polls are misleading and the media needs a 2 horse race narrative but there two many negatives against trump. He is is making more noise but I don't think that will translate into more votes.😊
If people stay home instead of voting for Biden (Palestine and an uninspiring candidate) Trump will win.
The people voting Orange simply don’t care about his negatives, or in the case of the vindictiveness and pettiness view them as positives (“wning the libz”(.
Really?😐
So the democrats have leaked their OWN internal polls, you know, the ones they pay millions of dollars for in order to know where to concentrate their billions of dollars? They show Trump leading in a landslide … they leaked these in hopes to push Biden out . Trump is on track to win with a mandate
@@hgservices5572it's not looking good, but a lot can happen between now and the election.
@@hgservices5572why is it that the Democrats are discussing whether or not to keep Biden as a candidate, but nobody on the right is calling for the fascist pathological liar to be replaced?
And you think the other people are in a cult.
Good job, Kaitlyn!!!
"Follow the Constitution"? No! SUPPORT and DEFEND the Constitution.
If you’re supporting and defending it without following it that’s… gonna be hard.
@@JustanotherconsumerI think she's making the point that people that get the terminology wrong are likely getting their beliefs from other people's commentary rather than directly from the source.
It's the same pattern I've seen from people who constantly talk about "The Antichrist" in the book of Revelation rather than the Beast of Revelation. "Antichrist" is about people who reject Jesus. It's not a title for an individual.
@@suzettecarvin970 the constitution is gay
@@bobbobberson5627 if only.
@@bobbobberson5627 is gay
One thing that is obvious: Skye and Chris need to up their book game compared to Kaitlyn and Justin🤣... but I digress
Wow- these two guests are impressive. Good talk about the disaster we're in. Good stuff. I am so glad I don't have to worry about it. IMO trump might be an instrument of Gods wrath re the United States and rampant sin- we probably have punishment/consequences coming or we are protected by Gods mercy & love for 330M people by having a better candidate with better character to lead the country. I'm afraid Biden and his family might be more concerned about themselves than the country. RBG really screwed up by not retiring sooner when SCOTUS might have been better balanced
What kind of sin ?
@@hgservices5572 What kind of sin do you have the strongest personal feelings - which you've got confused for "objective moral truth" - about?
For Skye to say trump is morally disqualified but Joseph R Biden isn’t shows you he’s either very ideological or has a serious blind spot when it comes to democrats
@letsgetrollong7467 very good.
And I thought this was the “good Christian” podcast. Where everyone agrees that “they” have to correct opinions.
But what happened to forgiveness of God?
Love?
Belief in renewal?
Apparently when a person doesn’t line up with your Marxist ideology, that takes precedence over solid theology.
Congrats Skye. Many of see you for the Turd you are. Same with Phil!
Good job hoodwinks a new chick.
The last one ran away from you two.
Such an awesome podcast.
But we love you with all and we mean ALL of your misbased opinions.
Cheers
False equivalence is false.
@@averageuser4367 you’re right
Morally speaking Biden’s far worse
@@letsgetrolling7467lol no
@@letsgetrolling7467 you may think that the Republican platform is more moral than the Democratic platform, but that's entirely different than saying that Trump is more moral than Biden. He's not.
Oddly enough you missed the primary reason why Biden cannot be replaced at this point, and it was standing right there at the debate🙄
The primary reason is they cannot transfer the campaign money very easily , unless they have Kamala or Biden in the ticket , that billion dollars in campaign donations is forfeited. Better to lose and keep the money than to switch over without the money and lose anyway 🤷♂️
Has anybody factored in reproductive Rights? I think women in suburbia are going to come out and vote to win, lose, or draw.
@janelleglass3673
Trump wants reproductive rights to be just like Europe. Each country in Europe has their own guidelines, ranging from 14-18 weeks.
It's a very reasonable approach.
Can you agree to be like Europe?
If so, then you can vote for Trump, that's where he is, Make Abortion Like Europe, gee, that's MALE, hope that doesn't Trigger you!
@@michaelward7051he says that, but he says a lot of things. The Republican party as a whole wants to criminalize it and go far beyond what you're saying. Just look at what red states are already doing.
The bottom line is that the Republican party has made it their God given mission in life to end abortion for decades. Do you think they would compromise and give up on their crusade if Trump was to be reelected and they have the chance to pass strict abortion laws on a federal level?
@@michaelward7051 granted, even if they could pass the strictest possible federal abortion ban, it still wouldn't end abortion. It turns out that people don't like being treated like livestock and many would still refuse to keep their pregnancies, even in that case. They'll just bleed out in their bathtubs or have "doctors" perform them in motel rooms with a coat hanger.
Anti-abortion laws, like other types of prohibitions, are largely ineffective. Abortion will never, ever be completely stopped. The best way to reduce them is to prevent them at their source: unwanted pregnancies. The problem is that the Republican party, as well as many of their voters, aren't interested in actual solutions. They want to have the "right" laws on paper so that they can feel better about themselves.
It’s not on the ticket , judicial system pushed it into the states . Local elections now effect that issue more so than the national
@@hgservices5572 for now. We'll see how that holds up the next time Republicans control the Presidency and both houses of Congress.
Thou shalt not #kill. (Exodus 20:13) / Thou shalt not [be complicit in #genocide].
More than 14,500 #children killed in #Gaza. The latest #death toll stands at 35,287 #Palestinians and 1,139 people killed in #Israel since October 7. (2024.05.07)
G e no side joe
@@hgservices5572 you don't get to call him that when you'll be voting for the guy who wants to help to genocide them even harder.
Come out of this partisan politicized trap. Both parties are two sides of the same coin only helping the AC Trump to rise again.
Why did the guy on the lower right say that Trump did not answer the question directly concerning the outcome of the election? I watched the whole debate twice and Trump unequivocally said that if the election is free and fair, he will absolutely accept the outcome of the election. If you do not like the disclaimer of a free and fair election, Then there is not a problem with Trump there is a problem with you
💯 I thought the same thing
The problem is that Trump made it clear that he would only consider it to be "free and fair" if he wins.
@ average , more mind reading and straw manning ? Shocker . No matter , Trump is going to win and we all see it as inevitable now .
@@hgservices5572it's not mind reading and it's not a strawman. It's history.
It is not up to Donald Trump to decide if an election is "Free and Fair". It's his job to say "yes, absolutely".
I would dispute the idea that Biden is demonstrably incapable of fulfilling the office. Biden may be terrible at a debate, but if you look seriously at what he's accomplished so far, and WHO he did it for, you cannot honestly say he's incapable of doing the job
Here's what Joe accomplished.
* 30M illegal immigrants in 4 years
* Housing Market disaster, 7% mortgages, freezing the movement of real estate, people are refusing to move because they have a 3% mortgage, the 25-40 year olds hate this.
* Inflation, thanks Joe!
* Wars in Ukraine, Israel, thanks Joe!
* The disaster departure from Afganistan, thanks Joe
* The continue "Cheap Fake" story about "fine people" which has been debunked but Joe repeats it.
* The democrats have been lying to the world, 8 Billion people for several years now about how capable Joe Biden is, they lie to you, and now, you are continuing the lies.
The Democrats are the danger to democracy.
Vote Trump and end this charade of lies from these people, @acarter4865 included.
Cheers
@@michaelward7051lol do you believe everything Faux News tells you?
Why do you think it is HE that is doing the job?
That job is terrible btw
@@hgservices5572and, what, four more disastrous Trump years would've been better?
Implying that latinos and african american men are supporting trump because hes athoritarian after discussing how men are marginialized was...a choice lol.
Sometimes it's just easier to talk about golf! I'm actually too scared to vote for Trump again, and poor Biden needs to just go chill with his fellow trillionaires. So now what?
@@aestroai8012 you're actually voting for the people around the candidate. I trust Bidens people much more than I trust Biden himself. So the question is whether you trust the people around Biden more than you trust the White supremacists, Christian Nationalists, r@pists, and criminals around Trump.
Just vote Trump again and be done with it .
@@hgservices5572voting for fascism is bad and you should feel bad.
Numbers chapter 5 supports abortion in the case of infidelity.
No it doesn't
@@jdtreharne yes it does
@@troybody6662 oh okay. Can you post the verses?
@@jdtreharne Num 5:11, 5:17, 5:22, 5:24, 5:27
@@troybody6662 none of those are talking about abortion
Can any smart holy poster name one lie Trump told during the debate?
Trump claimed he passed the VA Choices Act. That actually happened under Obama in 2014./The Capitol Police Board was in charge of security on January 6th, not Nancy Pelosi, like Trump claimed.
He said he dropped the price of Insulin. That happened due to legislation passed during the Biden administration.
Trump lies just about every time he opens his mouth. Most of them are easily found if you're willing to look.
If you think he doesn't lie, you're either extremely ignorant, in a cult, or most likely both.
Repeating the lie about post-birth, for example.
Lemme guess you think that’s a real thing?
You don’t deny Ralph Notham said just that. He’s a doctor. He knows exactly what he’s saying
@@robbower5489 he was referring to nonviable pregnancies and what would happen after birth to babies who have no chance at life. He wasn't referring to infanticide like people on the right claim.
Skye Jethani for president!
Disclaimer: Chris is my cousin.
Skye said early that "the & Campaign isn't progressive and isn't conservative, they lead with their Christian identity" - my observation has been that on issues of race they tend to be more progressive, on issues of gender/sexuality they lean heavy conservative. That is my criticism, Justin is more vocal online and I've seen him lean into bigotry if it isn't against him. What I would like to see from the & Campaign is to be principled, if you're for equality it has to be across the board, that's what being principled means. Don't agree with white supremacists just to harm our LBGTQ brothers and sisters.
I am not voting for Joe Biden due to his genocide support, but he should stay in because even a tomato can is better than a republican at this point. No, the D party would not be doing the same thing as Rs by not removing Joe if they really think he has the best chance to beat Trump. A corpse would be better than Trump.
Republicans rarely have put forth a capable candidate since Nixon... I'll give you Bush Sr and Romney.
The reason the Dems ended up with Biden is complicated. Trump was so awful that Dems felt they HAD to win, and that meant nominating a candidate that could appeal to some % of Republicans... old white Christian man who has been right of center. This was a huge mistake because it drags the party right and alienates the actual left. They should have gone left and get people who do not participate to come out and vote, the same way the Rs leaned completely into bigotry, they were able to get the people on the right who had not been participating, to come out and vote. Dems need to tap into their actual base and produce for them or we'll continue to get what we have.
Gavin Newsom would beat Trump hands down.
Trump lied close to 50 times in that debate - and skirted at least three of the questions - while Biden at least answered the questions.
😂 yes , we saw Jill tell Joe ,” you answered ALL the questions”. Sad . He’s gone and she talks to him like a child . That debate sealed his fate . Trump will soon be 47 and it seems inevitable
@@hgservices5572I don't see you denying that Trump lied and dodged the questions.
Dr Jill, is that you? Can you name all 50 times that Trump lied?
@@1754Me Meidas Touch on UA-cam already did.
@ average . Politicians dodge questions , surprise. Here’s the thing about the “lies” . How many of them are hyperbole ? “The greatest “ “the best”. The thing with these left wing fact checkers is they are one sided . I read an article once that fact checked Trump for saying of the burgers he served Clemson at the White House for winning their college championship “ we have burgers piled 10,000 miles high ..” . They fact checked him for this! These people are sick , I tell you ,SICK!!! 😂 google it
I am still with Biden/Harris 24🎉❤. I'm interested in the trumps vice-presidential choice?! What does the female's thoughts? 😮
Why are you with a person who cannot form a cognitive thought on his own? You want him in charge of the nuclear football?
@@1754Megreat point. Trump shouldn't be reelected.
@@averageuser4367 Hey average, if you were sitting on a plane for a cross-country flight, and Biden shuffles onto the plane where he looks at his prepared notecard and declares, "(whimper) I'm the pilot on this flight." Then he looks at his notecard ("Walk to the cockpit") and shuffles into the cockpit to look again at his notecard ("Sit in the pilot's seat"). Would you stay on for the flight or disembark? Does Biden have the wherewithal and mental faculties that you would trust him to complete this task?
@@1754Me so you would rather trust the nuclear football to the guy who stole a bunch of documents when he lost last time, willfully retained them, and shared classified intelligence with foreigners?
@@1754Me You don't have faith in a God that is bigger than your idea of Him. You have faith in Donald Trump. You're a false person and a false Christian with a false faith in a false God.
VP Kamala Harris
Kackle, kackle, kackle!
Gross.
@@bobbobberson5627gross.
@@bobbobberson5627 "Gross" is an expression of disgust. And far-right extremists like you are known to feel irrationally high levels of visceral, moral, and emotional disgust. I bet you can't even handle toddlers telling poop jokes. And your weakness - your exaggerated propensity to feel disgust - is frankly disgusting to me.
😜 Hillary part 2?!? Wait, Kamala isn’t even as likable as Hillary , she’d be doomed and THEY even know it
This is a conversation loaded with ignorance and arrogance. The loud mouth woman attacks voters as being stupid and she of course is soooo smart.
We love Trump. He is very moral. He is very qualified. He will win for the third time. MAGA should not be debatable.
“Very moral.”
Uh…
Great discussion. I would have pushed more regarding the fact that we are not doomed to vote for only Biden or Trump. RFK Jr. is a viable option.
@@Justanotherconsumermaybe "more" moral in regards to policies and rulings from the justices he picked (which are a coin toss now). At least Trump's moral failures aren't having as much impact on the nation as Biden who's been in office for most of his life and keeps backpedaling on Catholic/Christian principles and turning sins into celebrations with legal standing.
@@rayshell789no, he's not. Third party candidates will never be elected unless we reform our voting system nationwide, such as ranked choice voting. That's exactly why that is extremely unlikely to happen. They know they'll have to work to earn our vote if we have alternatives, and they don't want that.
@@rayshell789 for the sake of argument, let's just say that RFK Jr is somehow elected. What would happen?
The same thing that would happen if any other third party candidate is elected: they'll spend their entire term fighting both wings of Congress and they'll leave after four years of doing nothing but executive orders and filling out an ineffective cabinet, both of which will be undone by the next administration.
Having the Presidency means little without having the institutional support for your agenda.
That's why it's my black job as a black auntie to tell my Afro-Latino niece to vote for her 1st presidential election, that 81-year-old white man who happens to have a black and South Asian VP who's married to a Jewish man! 🖤🤎🗳️🤍🩵💙
#blackjobs
😅😉
This comment gave me cancer.
@@bobbobberson5627says the fascist.
The IQ of the top 10% of Democratic voters.
It’s all about outward appearances.
@@michaelward7051 lol that's hilarious coming from a Trump supporter.
@@michaelward7051 You sound more senile than Joe Biden. I'd ask what your IQ is, but I know that you would have already told us if it weren't pathetic. And as much as you wish you could boast about it, as Stephen Hawking said, "People who boast about their IQ are losers."