Why did God send the flood?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Dr. Matthew Lynch joins Kaitlyn to answer two kid questions today: Why does God destroy stuff? and Why did God send the flood? We talk about the story of the great flood, why it happened, and God’s promise never to destroy the world with a flood again. Plus, Dr. Lynch describes a few different ways people think about violence in the Bible.
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Um... especially if this will be explained to kids... the matter of how literal we should take this story and the "mythic" parts of Genesis should come up, right? Somewhere?
The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. - Isaiah 57:1
And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad-they will enter the land. I will give it to them, and they will take possession of it. - Deuteronomy 1:39
People are generally offended when young people die. Especially children and infants. But the Bible says that people die young to avoid becoming evil. And the young don't yet know good from bad. In other words, the number of people killed in the flood is far greater than the number of people who went to hell.
Sometimes death is the "punishment" or act of God to avoid hell. Our life span is all we know. God sees things in terms of eternity. So he has a lot less problem with people dying than we do. He is sparing them a lot of suffering while we suffer because they are gone.
God is the perfect and all-loving creator of the universe and God chooses to discipline God's own creation by killing nearly everything and everyone. And God is still perfect and all-loving, even after doing this. You *have* to teach this story young because any grown adult would immediately refuse such mental gymnastics if it was their first time hearing it.
He literally gave mankind 120 years to repent & turn to Him.
@@patrickc3419 Well, to turn away from the "evil" of not being christian. Of course, there wasn't much evidence (and still isn't) that christianity is true but I guess they should have known better than to use logic or reason and instead just believe the "correct" religion.
Sorry, no matter how much time you put in there, drowning every baby on earth to death is still shockingly evil.
God can't fix an omelette without breaking a few eggs*
*The eggs are innocent bystanders
-God punishes all of creation for the sins of men by violently drowning everyone- God "creates the conditions for [the world] to be remade." Much more palatable to modern sensibilities. And don't worry, God wasn't angry, God was *sad.* Grieving while God -drowned everyone- created a new world for God's chosen people.
I'm confused so praying in part 27.. I don't think kids are going to understand this. I've never heard anything like," It didn't really happen." We have the truth and yes we don't know it all but we are in GEN. So it is huge.. pray
To punish mankind. They had 120 years to repent.
Oh well if there was 120 years then that clearly justifies dawning babies to death.
Note: if it isn't clear this is loaded with a metric ton of sarcasm.
@@TrakeM118
No, I certainly could tell that you were being sarcastic.
Yes, that is correct. God was justified to annihilate every single person on the earth regardless of age, sex, or ethnicity.
One of the most blessed attributes of God is how long suffering He is. God doesn’t stop being God only when the “nice” things happen.
Sounds like you guys should read Pope Francis’ encyclical entitled Laudato Si.
Dominion. - sovereignty/control
He didn't. This tale is likely a recycling of a tale from the Epic of Gilgamesh (read the flood story of Utnapishtim).
Or Gilgamesh was giving the Babylonian interpretation of the actual event. When a tragedy or natural disaster happens different groups have different takes on the meaning of the event. Ancient China and India both have flood myths. Why do these disparate cultures have similar stories?
Indeed Utnapishtim can be possibly be shortened to "na", "Nuh" in Arab, Nuach in Hebrew and Noah in English.
But we have also Ziusudra (Sumerian king) and Atrahasis (Babylonian).
@@Jordan18561 Here's a good thought experiment based on an actual event, the Boxing Day Indian Ocean tsunami. You're enjoying your day fishing on the beach in Indonesia, but instead of 2004 CE, it's 1004 BCE. Weather is beautiful, not a cloud in the sky, no earthquake felt, no noise, and then suddenly, the ocean rises up and swallows you and 170,000 of your friends and neighbors. You have no concept of a globe. You have no concept of what actually causes a tsunami. You believe gods are in control of everything. This is beyond comprehension so the survivors assume that a super powerful god must be at the bottom of this nightmare - tadaa, a flood myth for the ages.
@@johnspencer2914 Not just that - I encourage everyone to read the two stories side by side.
@@RLBays now I see where you’re coming from. this thought experiment is not an argument against the existence of an actual flood. It is an argument against the existence of God.
I hate to break it to you but Sam Harris / Richard Dawkins style new atheism is dead. Ayan Hirsi Ali will tell you herself
Thank you for posting this informative video
I think the danger of the flood story is the lesson that "everything has gone wrong, so me must destroy everything to fix it."
Like as humans dealing with terrible things like the effects of climate change, or political movements that don't care about human rights, widening economic enequality. One can get the impression "everything is going wrong. We ruined it."
So what is the solution to these modern problems?
As an adult we know that being there for our community. Taking care of family and those around us, and building for change from there.
But that's not the message of the narrative. God doesn't try to work with folks and help people work through things. The innocent kids born from the rape of humans by the sons of God are also killed by the flood. Which is interesting for us born out of systems we didn't cause.
I don't thing seeing violence as a system for positive change is a good message.
If folks are gonna move forward, then I don't know that "cleaning" things through violence really works.
It does.
Best Episode so far! ❤
The pride flag is a challenge to the lesson of this story.
a. What do you take to be the lesson of the story?
b. What does the pride flag mean to you?
c. Why does it matter? (ie do you think God will destroy the world again?)
@@Isaac_L.. pass
I think the "truth" is that the flood story serves as ancient metaphor about respecting the people and creation we live in. When we don't, then there are great forces out there which will punish everyone.
Moving on, my thoughts currently are:
Historically, the Hebrews were originally henotheistic, the bible being made up from Yahwists, Elohists etc. The old testament to me, looks a struggle in going from tribalistic type worship (Yahweh was the god of the Israelites), getting more monotheistic (stories about choosing between Yahwah & Baal etc.). Until Yahweh gets mentioned just once a year in the Hebrew faith. And not at all in Christian faith (Jesus never mentions Yahweh once), when Jesus shows us that God is the loving father of all mankind.
And we see morality being built upon too. Jesus basically saying Mose's laws are good but we can do better. For example, we need to stop stoning people and become forgiving because we all do stupid things!
I think the point in the story is the same as the point of the entire Bible. Obey. That is the message of the Bible. The Bible defines morality purely in terms of obedience. It isn't really shocking that religion tends towards creating totalitarian structures that end up resulting in corruption and oppression.