The REAL Problem with Christian Nationalism
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Christian Nationalism has been in the news a lot lately, but what exactly is it, what's the real problem it poses, and what does pudding have to do with it???
Skye Jethani answers these questions and shows that Christian Nationalism and the Prosperity Gospel have a lot more in common than what we might think - Jesus isn't the goal, but a means to receive what they really want.
For more information about Christian Nationalism, check out these past Holy Post episodes
Episode 442: Christian Nationalism & the Good Life with Derwin Gray
• 442: Christian Nationa...
Episode 498: Making Christian Disciples or Christian Nationalists? with David Kinnaman
• 498: Making Christian ...
Episode 531: What’s Wrong with Christian Nationalism? with Paul D. Miller
• 531: What’s Wrong with...
Episode 572: Christian Nationalist Hospitality & Atheists Get Political with Ryan Burge
• 572: Christian Nationa...
To the church of my youth,
What the hell did you expect me to do?
You told me to love my neighbors, to model the life of Jesus. To be kind and considerate, and to stand up for the bullied.
You told me to love people, consider others as more important than myself.
You taught me to sing "red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight."
We sang it together, pressing the volume pedal and leaning our hearts into the chorus. You said that “He loved all the children of the world”.
You told me to love my enemies, to even do good to those who wish for bad things. You told me to never "hate" anyone and to always find ways to encourage people.
You told me it's better to give than receive, to be last instead of first. To help the poor, the widow, the stranger at the gate.
You told me that Jesus looks at what I do for the least-of-these as the true depth of my faith. You told me to focus on my own sin and not to judge. You told me to be accepting and forgiving.
So I paid attention.
I took in every lesson.
And I did what you told me.
But now, you call me a libtard. A queer-lover. You call me "woke." A backslider.
You call me a heretic. You make fun of my heart. You mock the people I’m trying to help.
You say I’m a child of the devil.
You call me soft. A snowflake. A socialist. You shun the very people you told me to help.
What the hell did you expect me to do?
I thought you were serious, but apparently not.
You hate nearly all the people I love. You stand against nearly all the things I stand for. I'm trying to see a way forward, but it's hard when I survey all the hurt, harm, and darkness that comes in the wake of your beliefs and presence.
What the hell did you expect me to do?
I believed it all the way.
I'm still believing it all the way.
Which leaves me wondering, what happened to you?
God bless you and thank you for saying that. I have felt this way for so long and it has led to so much confusion about religion. I now have to look at it as Love. God is Love. The damage so many x-tian churches have done, none in the name of Love, makes it so much harder for us to see that this Love is here and has been all along. Loving our neighbor, feeding the poor, being careful with the gift of a beautiful planet. I am ready for the x-tians to wake up and get back to the truth.
The faith is right again, If anything smacks of universalism avoid it like the plague, their towns are still in very good shape, low crime rates. Good birth rates, noncorporate and very pale with a good standard of living for the sizes of their towns.
Spencer this makes me cry every time I read it. You put into words how I feel and how I see what happened to the church and the people in it. May I post this poem in other similar discussions with your name attached?
@@anthill1510 I copied pasted from somewhere else. You can share it without my name.
@@spencerbrown3875 Good to know, thanks!
One of the best explanations for this movement that I’ve heard. I have been telling my Christian friends that I’m having a crisis of faith because I didn’t know how else to explain it. My faith in God is just as strong and powerful as it ever was. But I go to church with people who voted for a man because he claimed to be a Christian. And yet they cannot point out one loving act of Christianity that he did. Where as I can point out many un-Christ like things that he and many other political leaders have done while claiming that they’re doing it in the name of Jesus. It’s shameful and I don’t know how to continue to walk in love with people who claim to love Christ and do nothing to protect their neighbors rights.
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
Well said. I have the same dilemma with my own Christian nationalist family. It boggles my mind how they have gone so far astray from true Christian beliefs and values that we all grew up with. As far as they are concerned, I am the one that has gone astray.
The term "false brethren" is in the King James Bible. Everyone professing Christ doesn't really know Christ. They are counterfeits!
The Christian ideal is to love EVERYONE, as God does (I put this as “I hope Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are in Heaven; improves my odds!”), but we also have a right to protect ourselves from anything toxic to us by separating ourselves from it. Not in a hurtful, hateful way; but in a way that creates a boundary and distance; not out of anger, but out of self-love. After all, how can we love our neighbors as ourselves if we don’t practice loving Christian charity towards ourselves? 🤔
I'm so glad I found this video and these comments. As a former Christian (ironically, the Jesuits opened the door that allowed me to conclude that "I don't have any idea," is the only reasonable answer if asked whether god exists), I often advocate for the teachings of Jesus in atheist groups. Many there have never read the Gospels, so they have no idea that the beliefs of the most vocal Christ-ians are not Christ-like. In fact, the core values that the evangelicals claim separate the righteous from sinners, wheat from the chaff, are exactly opposite what Jesus taught not only through his words and actions, but also through what he did not say or do.
He certainly never raged against sinners, occasionally telling someone he'd forgiven to "go and sin no more," but if he had negative feelings for anyone, it wasn't sinners, but the rich and the "righteous," both promises the church makes to those who believe. For a guy who included prostitutes as friends in the age of primitive birth control, he was conspicuously silent about abortion, and it's inconceivable to me that he would engage in politics to steer policy on that or any issue.
He didn't speak out against homosexuals, though it was not nearly as in the open as today. In fact, he was pretty clear about what to do if you saw your neighbor in sin - he said that judging people was his dad's job, so go clean your own house in case we stop by later so you can explain to him why you think you'd do a better job.
And in all the world's holy scriptures, which are characterized by parables, and vague, esoteric language, maybe the most plain-spoken, unambiguous instructions on what to do every day to have a closer relationship with God, Matthew 6, stands out as unique. Yet evangelicals are determined to, "practice righteousness in front of others," to "be like the hypocrites," praying in church and on the street, and "keep on babbling like pagans." I've been subjected to several essays full of scripture references to prove that Jesus got it wrong on this by people who truly "have received their reward in full."
I am now an atheist, but was a devout Christian for much of my life. It was the prevalence of the Prosperity Gospel, and by extension, Christian nationalism, that made me start questioning Christian institutions. I could not understand how someone could read the teachings of Jesus, yet still believe these very non-Christian ideals.
I've never been a believer but I was a bit more of a "Militant" anti-theist. That changed after learning about the Christian-led orgs. that are fighting to keep the wall of separation intact. Groups like Talk2Action, who have been pointing out the ties from Former Gov. Rick Perry and the Seven Mtns. movements, for example, when he was governor and had the utterly reprehensible Christian nationalists on stage with him to pray for rain during an extended drought. So, knowing how few nonbelievers there are in the US, it behooves us to recognize the believing people in our corner.
Yeah, and yet all of them believe that Jesus is communicating with them.
Jesus would be hung for being a communist in a Christian nationalist america.
@@floydthibodeaux1844 You have to wonder though. The cynic in me says that a whole lot of them lost Jesus when they twisted his teachings. I'm an atheist too, but I do believe the social teachings of Jesus are worthwhile.
Sincerely asking why you listen to this podcast? 😊
Never trust a religious leader who tells you how to vote, or a politician who tells you how to pray.
This is why I stop going to church. I am a Christian and I stay home and read my Bible and pray to my God! The shit that baffles me is how these religious leaders tell these incompetent Christian that some fucking political leader is from God
I concur!
If your religion is true, you must follow it to the ends of the Earth, that includes the voting booth.
@@jacobpottage6938 As long as your religion doesn’t take away God given rights from others.
@@jacobpottage6938 If Jesus wanted countries to be run by religion he would have mentioned it
"In no instance have the churches been the guardians of the liberties of the people" - James Madison
Amen. Most churches are temples to Baal and Asherah and Mammon and the Roman Emperor.
@@ChristianCatboy why don't you stop being so prejudiced against non-xtians?
Who imagines that the churches could be guardians of liberties, anyway? Is not their chief aim to promulgate restraint of human behavior, for all that they may promise ultimate liberation? They serve us best as guardians of values, of that which has the potential to lift us higher even as their individual traditions mark our societal individualities. 😏🧐
@@goldenager59 What the US Founding Fathers were saying was exactly that - the churches only care about their dogma rules, whereas they fought a war not only for independance from a tyranical monarchy, but also from his right-hand religious Bishop/Cardinals - henceman whom would declare someone, or something heresy, or heretic, and just like that the king's men would pick that person up for either or all - torture, imprisonment, or execution!
Yup, the USA, WE THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, self-ordained no God involved) to form a more (Godless - secular) union, did not want churches treading on Freedom, in the USA, like they did in Europe for centuries...
And, if Christian's believe in trial by combat, then the USA already won a war against theology when the Federal Union Armt beat the Confederates who wrote into their Constitution that they has God's grace and blessings to wage that war and enslave people all the way to the Pacific Ocean, and failed - by combat!
@@ChristianCatboyindeed. And churches for Jesus are arguably more dangerous.
I'm not a Christian, but I respect one who sees "Christian" nationalism for what it is.
The USA was founded on the Model of the Constitution of Medina, with was created by Mohammed, the Islamic Religions Prophet circa 500 AD!
Yup, Thomas Jefferson was a scholar of Christianity, and Islamic laws, history, etc in Law School...proof, his Koran is in the Library of Congress, and look up the "Jefferson" Bible, which shows he was a Christian unlike all others of his time!
In fact, the Founding Fathers were Deist Christians, believing a realtionship between a person and their creator should be private, not public, thus a wall between church and State.
The war of Independance was also from the tyrannical kings right-hand Christian man, who could accuse people of heresy, and the King would get rid of them, get rid of the competition, gain power and control!
"In no instance have the churches been the guardians of the liberties, of the people" - James Madison
Read their warning about factions/ religion getting power to forward their own agenda, and destroy Democracy in Federalist Papers #9 & #10! Nope, the Founding Fathers were very specific about keeping religion out of their new, hard fought for, land of Liberty, free of Religious control!
The ChristianJudeo God is basically a Fascist, has to be worshipped, obeyed without question, the ultimate power in charge of everything, ACTS 5:29 ONLY OBEY GOD, NOT MEN.
Well, the Founding Fathers created a more perfect union, self-ordained (no god needed), Of the People, By the People, For the People - WE THE PEOPLE, Republic of Laws, we decide upon, as men thru Democracy - no Gods involved!
So, America is not a Christian Nation, intentionally not rooted in religion, and modelled after an Islamic form of government anyways!
Keep your Religion Private, to be a good Patriotic American, instead of a Fascist " We tolerate no one in our ranks who critisizes Christianity. Our movement is Christian" - Oct 27, 1923 Adolph Hitler, silently partnered with rhe Holy Roman Christian Catholic Headquarters/Vatican to finally solve their Jewish problem - Holocaust!
The Founding Fathers did not trust the Vatican, even busted up a stone they sent to include in the construction of the Washington Monument, and tossed the pieces into the Potomac River!
Let FREEDOM Ring!😅
👍🏼 i still listen to Sam Harris to hear Objective Dynamics.
(Omaha N.E.)
Sincerely asking why you listen to this podcast?
@bman11714 I'll answer...
...knowledge is power. Knowledge of how "evil" germinates, grows, and trives by spreading is key to living in a world of Liberty and Justice for all.
Know they enemy, watch videos that teach about him/her, learn, and develop counter actions!
Keep your friends close, your enemies against Democracy and Freedoms closer!
Religion in itself is bat-shit crazy stuff, religion on the march to replace the US CONSTITUTION with Christian Nationalism - is war! Hitler did that to 92% Christian populated Germany in the 1930's "We tolerate no one in our ranks who Chritisizes Christianity. Our movement is Christian" - Oct 27, 1923 (100 years ago) raised a nice little Roman Christian Catholic Alterboy! Who got a silent partner, the Vatican - and conducted the Holocaust to rob them, and help finally solve the Roman Christian's Jewish problem simultaneously!
Christian Nationalism is a cancer, and progressive people need to cut it out!!!
@@friedmac7146isn't he the guy who claimed knowing martial arts can protect you from a gun? (Since Maine is quite a pro gun state yet there was still a deadly shooting there)
I lost my faith in religion altogether, primarily because of what I see religion as; greed, racism, sexism, division and war. Why do I see it that way? Because of all of the things you talk about in this video. Thank you for laying it out in a way I can explain it to others.
Don't let the actions of people who claim to be Christian rip eternity with Jesus away from you. Remember the Lord himself said
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Seek the Lord while HE still may be found, not seek true Christians while they may still be found!
13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it. 15>>Beware of false prophets
When you really, really think about it...what has been the goal of Christianity in the US for the past 50 years or so? With all these things we pursue: money, power, perfect kids, perfect marriages, etc....we have gotten it all wrong. We have taught this over and over to USE Jesus and not SEEK Him. He's been our tool and not our Lord.
This!
So true!!!
This. ALL of this!
Since the breakaway from England, Protestant Americans have acknowledged no earthly lord save those who are self-made, be they statesmen, merchant princes, or what have you. Perhaps since victory in World War Ii put America at the top - and these days particularly - it seems difficult for Americans to acknowledge a spiritual Lord who should be heeded. For those who do hold Christ Jesus dearer than most, it would seem we are headed pell-mell for Hell in an Adidas bag - or at the very least for a humbling of (Biblical) epic proportions. Then, too, those citizens who cherish the romantic American myth that begins at Plymouth (that is, those who trusted their school textbooks) observe America's apparent teetering, and may fear our displacement from a position of advantage (forgetting the ways in which we yet remain strong and inspirational). And there are all too many of WASP heritage who are down on their luck and perceiving their country as in the same straits - and anxiously witnessing an explosive influx of darker-skinned folk who tend not to use English as their first language. These good-hearted people seem the most in danger of being seduced by Christian Nationalism, which seems such a natural outgrowth of, let's admit it, traditional WASPish homespun views and a logical path to pursue the goal of cultural consolidation and recovery to some rose-tinted vision of the ideal American nation, where people sang lusty hymns on Sundays and listened to Lawrence Welk's cultural kin the rest of the week, but evinces a most un-Christian hunger for power and an un-American desire for exclusivism. And I'm just embarrassed as all get-out by the way that sentence done run on...but I figured I'd best get it all out in a rush before the lynch mob reaches me.
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@@goldenager59 excellent response.
"Any message in which Jesus is the means but not the goal is not true christianity." This is it in a nutshell. Great video!
So, most evangelicals use escape from certain hell/eternal punishment as motivating factors for conversion. I don't see how this is any different.
then f v ck xtianity! i have no love for this prosperity crap, but i am no xtian. if jesus does not serve us there is no reason to serve it
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
It's "No True Scotsman".
As an atheist, the way this guy talks is much more approachable than the way I see many Christians speak and the way they're portrayed in the kind of videos I watch. Not knocking faith, but I like this more analytical approach. Seems more accessible to Christians as well since he is Christian and cares about his faith.
Spain under the rule of Franco 1939-1975 was a Roman Cathloc fascist republic, anti-communist but also anti non-Cathloc Christian!!
Thank you for your words. I have seen Evangelicalism's rejection of the real gospel of Jesus the Lord for over 55 years (I am 72). This Holy Post is totally in line with this real gospel.
Christian nationalism is another name for the kkk. It's the exact same rhetoric. Listen to a KKK speech and then a Trump speech and see if you can tell the difference
@@ericroessing3517 How many people have you baptized?
Amen. I was not expecting you to knock down so many sacred cows in one 10 minute video 😮 but you did amazing! Keep preaching!
When we learned of the Prosperity Gospel when I was getting my bachelor's in English, the reverse of the Prosperity Gospel is more insidious: if you are UNsuccessful in life, you're likely going to Hell. In the olden days, people actually believed this. #terrifying
With God All Things Are Possible
23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
This is such a clear, excellent explanation and warning about the different ways the ‘American heresy’ -specifically Christian Nationalism currently - manifests in evangelical Christianity. Your point that Christian Nationalism ISN’T the *surrender of power* that we see in the cross was so profound and spot on. Jesus asks us to lay down our lives and die to self if we’re serious about following Him. You don’t see that message filling stadiums like Prosperity gospel “events” with celebrity Christian speakers do! I just found your channel and greatly appreciate what you’re doing here.
Christians 'lay down their lives' while taking power...and have had it for over a millennium.
I often heard it preached in church that I should "die to self" by "faithfully submitting to the authority of Scripture" and "being conformed to the likeness of Christ". Conservative Christians use this language all the time. And then they go right back to persecuting prophets and refugees and "sinners", supposedly in the name of that very principle.
@@ChristianCatboythey know Jesus would be for helping the poor and giving aide to the sick for free right, he also healed the sick and fed the hungry at no charge while opposing violence, he also only really lost his temper at those who would make profit at temples to his father and such. Yet so many Christian organizations sell his likeness and promote things he would almost certainly oppose, they talk their people into thinking Jesus was wrong and those people don't even seem to notice what's happening, like whenever it comes up what they are doing is against what Jesus says they are more likely to forsake Jesus then their beliefs at this point.
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
Some Christians can inspire me as well as demonstrate that there is hope for Christianity. A great critique.
Excellent explanation of this movement that is sweeping the Nation. Thank you for setting it straight and telling it like it is.
Wow, the pudding metaphor was actually spot on. Good job.
I love you guys' boldness to stand on the unpopular truth and to uncover hidden lies!
While I agree with much of this video, this isn't "unpopular" every mainstream outlet would agree with this.
Pshaw. Kind of a basic take, if you ask me.
I think that it is more complex, than saying it's about lies, in most cases. I think a more accurate term would be 'misdirection'. One could, for an example raise more successful children by giving them certain core values. But the goal should be to make better humans, such as being compassionate and loving towards others, along with other things Jesus taught. So, a way to judge the message, is what are the ultimate goals, in the message? Certainly political power, and physical control of others should not be the goal of a christian denomination. Jesus himself, criticized the class of people called Pharisees, who thought themselves better than others.
I hope this helps with your understanding.
I so agree!! There's a great deal of this kind of thing out there! I love Jesus🙏
This video explains EXACTLY why so many millennials, myself included, left the church. It also explains why so many of us still stan Phil Vischer. 😂
eek barba durkle! millenials, millenials. it's okay, i mcbo0223 speak for us all and our one collective brain
omg! that was supposed to be a joke... but then i realized where i'm saying this. all hail mcbo, in'net emperor of the millenials!
@@intellectually_lazyat least your username fits
@@intellectually_lazysomeone triggered
@@intellectually_lazyShe actually said,
" so many of us", not "all". Please hold the undeserved sarcasm! 🙄
I just stumbled on this channel. What a blessing and so refreshing to hear the truth being spoken. This is what I've sensed about white evangelical rhetoric and you just put it in the right words. You've gained a new subscriber in me! May the Lord keep you as you continue in His truth!
This is a brilliant video!!!
Thank you VERY MUCH 👍
Devout atheist here. I've been atheist since I was 13 and read the Bible (I'm 50 now) . I just subbed. Your content is desperately needed now. The faithful and nons have lots of good venn. We can build better together.
I was a little nervous about where this was going at the start. I was worried it was one of those Preger U videos. I'm glad I stayed and listened. I think if you look at it close enough this is the base of why fewer young people want to be Christian at all.
I was at a Ramadan dinner where they invited multiple abrahamic religions to speak. One of the questions they asked is why the younger generation is less religious. This I think is part of why. You get people that don't get the reward they thought they would, and people that see how un-christain the church is and just give up.
I keep saying this in a lot of posts talking about Christian nationalism and whatnot...this is why the Constitution says "seperation between Church and State!"
One of my church's Pastor's recent sermons was on how we sometimes love the things Jesus offers us more than him, which this video reminded me of the whole time I was watching. All I gotta say is yes. More people need to understand this, both Christians and Nonbeliever alike.
Thank you. Thank you.
As a non Christian, this is obvious to me, and any non Christian who thinks about it as well as many, MANY, Christians.
This explanation is simple and easy to understand, which helps cut out all of that need to argue against all of the “scripture” thrown at me by fundamentalist friends and family who argue that Christian Nationalism is a good thing.
I have shared this on my social media and, since I have a great memory, I will easily be able,to use this the next time this topic comes up (sadly, I know there will be a next time.)
Again, thank you.❤️
As a Christian, thank you. I want to see more of this material. Religion and politics do not mix.
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36
Some kids trolled Desantis by providing chocolate pudding cups for all at his “book signing” event. Desantis had been seen eating chocolate pudding with his fingers! So they did this at his event.
Lord Acton’s famous quotation about power’s tendency to corrupt ends by reminding his friend not to invest in any one person authority by virtue of his position. That kind of blind faith in authority, Acton said, leads to the place, unchristian, “where the end may justify the means.”
Thanks for your exposition on the subject. On the same thread, any form of "nationalism", that exploits "race", any other "religion" or "creed", is just as dangerous.
Thank you for this clear explanation of the cynical machinations of the Christian Right to manipulate their followers love of Christ into something other than what is meant..pure love, acceptance and forgiveness. The life lessons of Jesus Christ were never meant to be used as a tool to pry open some earthly box for the prize "hidden" inside; Jesus's many examples of kindness and sharing are the prize, not the earthly manipulations of the leader of some church.
As an agnostic, this was a great video. Keep it up! 😊
This is absolutely spot on Skye. Thanks for articulating with clarity the truth about Christian Nationalism.
It would be interesting to invite someone from the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty onto the podcast to give a history lesson on the historic Baptist positions supporting religious liberty (many still embedded in denominational statements of faith).
They don't like inviting people on who might challenge them or their audience towards ideas that they don't want to promote. Only certain sides of the conversation are allowed
When I hear the phrase, "Religious Liberty" all I can think of are special rights for certain kinds of right-wing Christians to drive those of us they deem to be "undesirables" out of public life completely or even eradicate these people, and to cram their own religion and value system down everyone's throats.
9:50 "Any message in which Jesus is the means but not the goal is not true Christianity, it's idolatry..." AMEN!
This really makes me think about what is it that I truly desire. Am I using my faith for material gain? Or to be highly thought of? Ouch!
Wow as a Christian I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you for explaining this so beautifully
Thank you, as a Christian, I really appreciate this and hope to see more people talk about the horrors of Christian nationalism
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
Really appreciate this vid. It's good to see more diverse viewpoints within the Christian community. Not Christian myself, tho i definitely dig the egalitarian social revolution aspect of the early Church, but I've always thought that many Christians are probably livid that the Right has hijacked their religion. I also really appreciate the consideration for other faith communities shown at the start of the video.
Wow, I like this analogy and completely agree. As a former Christian turned atheist (eek! An apostate!) I would definitely be in one of the top people groups that such a regime, if it came to power in America, wouldn’t like so much. I’ve always felt that the “Christian” in Christian nationalism is really just window dressing. Political power and a nation without people who differ from them in any major way is what they really want. That they can be so two-faced with apparently little to no cognitive dissonance shows very well how extremism can warp someone’s moral compass
What a great post. This clearly explained what I was having a difficult time verbalizing. I mean, as a believer, I knew the Christian Nationalism sentiment was off-kilter, but I was just having a hard time articulating why. This hit the nail on the head.
SAME SAME ×'S INFINITY!
@andyderksen8455it's tough to explain Christian Nationalism to some people for the same reason that it's tough to explain to fish what it's like to be wet.
Why isn't this being reported by mainstream media ?
WOW! Thank You So Much For Sharing This Truth With Us. I🌹
Who are these Christian Nationalist? Many of these evangelicals fell into the language trap, but does this really mean Franklin Gramm has turned away from Christian orthodoxy? Christian Nationalism has become a term defined by the left. The concept of Christian Nationalism mirrors Mao’s anti-colonial campaign. This shouldn’t be surprising considering Marx hatred towards Christianity. Many opponents of Christian nationalism in one breath accuse Christian nationalist of supporting Putin while in another breath unknowingly quote the communist manifesto. One of their favorite lines is, “Christian ideas succumbed in the 18th century to rationalist ideas”. This is opposite of the true, it is Christianity which has framed western society. In a letter to James Madison, Noah Webster stated, “…it is my decided opinion, that the christian religion, in its purity, is the basis or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government…I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist & be durable, in Which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence.” (Noah Webster to James Madison, 16 October 1829). Those who slander Christians for simply wanting to see their values represented, knowingly or not have aligned themselves with the communist worldview. What’s the end goal? To regulate religion!
I love the way this gentleman summed up the Christian Nationalists. It's all about power and nothing to do with Jesus
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. (Luke 13:26-27, KJV)
People gravitate toward teachers who tell them what they want to hear. It’s alarming to see the increasing sway that religion is having over our democracy. Our nation, founded on religious freedom, is being overrun by groups overstepping their bounds and interfering with my personal religious freedom, and the freedom to determine what healthcare options are right for me.
I fully support an individual's right to practice their religion, but I cannot abide by laws that value religious doctrine over the individual right - my right - to access effective, safe, and legal medical care.
What some groups view as controversial, others have no problem with. There's no way to keep all religions happy at all times when you mix law and medicine. Conflicting philosophies on what constitutes acceptable, ethical care make it impossible for religious-based law to come to consensus, and takes the focus away from what should be a healthcare provider's primary concern: the patient.
The United States must do more to protect American patients' freedom to choose safe, legal, and scientifically sound medical procedures that are right for them, rather than protecting corporate religious freedom at the expense of the patient.
@andyderksen8455What do you consider a "Biblical worldview"? One that takes away people's rights, that decrees that certain groups are somehow unacceptable because they're different and not to your liking? Religious extremists and corporate powers-that-be have their own version of what they would consider "Biblical", but it may not be actually based on the Biblical principles of not only loving God, but loving your neighbor as yourself. And that means not *hurting* people in your mad dash to make this nation over into the Christian Nationalists' theocratic vision of how America should be, These guys think *nothing* of making laws that severely curtail a woman's right over her own body - even if forcing her to have a baby she doesn't want or can't afford, or DOES want and CAN afford, but something goes horribly wrong, or depriving a certain segment of the population the right to live as they believe that is right for them or to access necessary healthcare because some people think that they are "deviant" or flawed, or banning what *you* don't want and have decided no one else can have, either. Somehow, I can't see that being the type of "Biblical worldview" that people would "prefer", and for good reason.
What bewilders me about Republicans is the coalition of the greedy Corporatist wing of the GOP party and the Bible wing of Religious Right, two groups supposedly with little in common; I mean one covets wealth while the other is supposed to share God’s wealth. But the Bible wing (the deceived) supplies the votes so that the Corporatists (the deceivers) can take most of the booty. The Corporatists get tax cuts and deregulations that increase the corporate profits and the Bibleists get a few vague gestures on symbolic issues such as Gay rights, prayer in schools, and abortions.
Like the Pharisees, the Bibleists enjoy “public” displays of religion. These leaders of the extreme Religious Right, whom seek self-edification, excite and rile up their followers to the issues by talking about God or the Holy Spirit speaking to them, which is always about and in favor of tax cuts, less government, right to carry arms, stopping entitlements, and preemptive military action. The Holy Spirit never comes out in favor of anything without clearing it with the Republican Party. What about the Holy Spirit speaking about the Word of God? Never do you hear Religious Right leaders or Republican leaders say the Holy Spirit spoke about love, compassion, kindliness, caring for others, praying, serving, giving to the poor, the needy, or the helpless (Deuteronomy 15:11)!
@andyderksen8455 Ask yourselves if the policies of your politicians are the policies of Jesus Christ? Remember, God gives ALL the free will to love, obey and serve Him, so don’t be so quick to take those same rights from those that choose to do what we call sin. God will judge, don’t you try to take God’s place. When I speak about the Bibleists, the Religious Right Wing, or the Christian Coalition, I define them as not Christian only with this statement: The righteous person is not self-righteous, or externally moralistic. Rather, he looks to God's promises and unchanging character as the basis for his right standing before his Creator-Judge. There are people that claim to be Christians for whatever reason, then a smaller group that are Believers that believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior, BUT then there is even a smaller group that are Followers of Jesus Christ; they are the ones that live as best as they can within the Bible, serving others not taking from others, loving others without hateful words, caring for others not turning their heads away from the poor, not slandering others but sharing with others, not self-righteous but look at God’s righteousness, and not moralistic but forgiving of others.
@@spursc10 [ so don’t be so quick to take those same rights from those that choose to do what we call sin. God will judge, don’t you try to take God’s place. ] - Hypocrisy at its finest! You judge yet tell other not to judge because it is God`s place!
[I fully support an individual's right to practice their religion, but I cannot abide by laws that value religious doctrine over the individual right - my right - to access effective, safe, and legal medical care. ] - just because something is legal does not mean it is not a sin! I will never support your right to practice your religion if it harms others!
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If you read the Bible cover to cover, you will not one time find the phrase free will.
Our free will is limited to what sin we will commit, prior to God saving us by his sovereign grace. Obviously I am not saying we don’t have CHOICES. We choose things all the time; what to watch on tv, what to make for dinner, the shirt to wear, but no, left to his own devices, man cannot choose God on his own accord. (John 6:44).
Excellent video. Thank you. I'm a Christian and a Democrat. I get accused by some who don't think you can be both. Not commenting on specific group who thinks that. I felt recently I needed to clarify that. I ended the tweet "You got a problem with that"? My Republican friends didn't unfollow me. They may have put me mute but no one I followed. I believe you don't need to throw your faith out there for politics. I believe we have someone camping now who does that. The bible tells us not to brag on our faith in public. But sometimes enough is enough. I want to follow a leader who has the same strong bond with Christ.... But not in your face with fake (This is for show) faith
Excellent encapsulation of the CN movement. From my seat this is as much of a threat to Christianity as Gnosticism was in the early church.
Okay. Thanks for doing this. More people in the mainline protestant and Catholic Church need to take a very firm stand against this craziness.
Ask anyone of them to justify their cult biblically. As a Christian my loyalty belongs to Jesus Christ, not to any politician.
I’m not sure that the Native Americans would agree that America has always been a Christian nation, top to bottom!
There are two kinds of religion: false religion and true religion. False religion wants to change the face of the world by any means, even by foul means-by hook or by crook. True religion wants only to love soulfully the heart of the world. True religion has a universal quality. It does not find fault with other religions. A false religion will say that it is the only valid religion and its prophet is the only saviour. A true religion will feel that all prophets are saviours of mankind.
Pardon me if I don't want a person who eagerly anticipates the end of the world to have access to The Button.
73 books are in the correct Holy Bible 👍🏼 even Protestants had the entire 73 books until 1885 when they “officially” removed 7 of the books
This video is misleading and filled with lies.
In what ways?
Example? I'm genuinely curious.
William J Federer's video explaining that Christian Nationalism used to be called Christian Patriotism gives a totally different view on this. It's worth viewing.
I love truth...that's what God wants us to spread......thank u for the truth.....God Bless
The major religions have willingly fanned the flames of nationalism , placing loyalty to the nation above loyalty to the God and Creator of all mankind. I believe we should pledge allegiance to God not a flag or idea that causes division.
And you've gained a subscriber! Thank you for speaking the truth on this!
Excellent video; and this is from a non-religious individual, who actually quite likes Jesus Christ, and the fundamental messages in what he had to say (as recorded in the bible). I've never understood the modern American philosophy that god gives worldly rewards for being Christian. Jesus was VERY clear in what he thought about material wealth, the ruling class and rich people, and it wasn't particularly positive.
Well said. Thank you.
I only watch these videos to reinforce the fact that I am 100000% morally and ethically much more superior than any cultist (politically or religiously). It's refreshing to know I am free, and I not weak minded and feeble to let an inferior make me react to do very dumb things. I wake up everyday and "Thank" myself, not an imaginary "gawd". I don't commit crimes, and I'm naturally a good person to my neighbors (I don't enslave or rape them), I served my country for 25yrs and survived a couple of combat tours; therefore I know where death goes. To a morgue, and 6ft under.
Fantastic video! Thank you for explaining Christian Nationalism. Although it’s a new buzz term, the practice has been around a very long time.
Pastor Brandon Holthaus has a great lecture on defining Christian Nationalism and its foundation and history. But these people are dominionists. Sometimes it’s called the Seven Mountain Mandate or the Seven Pillars or Seven Hills.
Christian Nationalism has already been tried and failed by Roman Catholicism in the Dark Ages and Emperor Constantine. If you missed church on Sunday, you were punished by the government. That’s not what Jesus taught in the great commission.
But they include this with the Great Commission of Matthew 28. These people want to incorporate dominionism from Genesis and infuse that with the Great Commission and make the Churches mandate to Christianize society- regardless of conversion.
These are their seven pillars of society to convert:
1. Religion
2. Family
3. Education
4. Government
5. Entertainment
6. Media
7. Business
Christian Nationalism forces Christianity on the culture by seizing the seven pillars of society. That’s heresy because that’s not the churches call. Being labeled a Christian Nationalist puts you in the category of an insurrectionist, so in the near future, you will be arrested for sharing the gospel.
Glen Beck pushes the Seven Mountain Mandate a lot on his show. He’s Mormon. Charlie Kirk supports it, too. The Apostle Paul sought no favor with the Roman Empire whatsoever, or any other rulers that he ran into. Christian Nationalism isn’t about your relationship with Jesus Christ. It’s about your relationship with the government. CN is a bad thing & all Christians are being lumped into it.
To anyone reading the comments. Christian Nationalism IS the book "To My Legionaries" by Corneliu Codreanu. Read it! It is not the Westminster Confession of Faith. Its as simple as that.
Spot on!
In Utah, the LDS faith has garnered enough political influence to mandate extreme restrictions to alcohol sales when compared to the rest of western civilization…
I wonder how the other “Christian Nationalists” would react if these policies were enforced Nationally?
I guess I don’t need to wonder, there is precedent… Remember where Prohibition took us?
I have tried to warn other Christians of this heritical 0:36 doctrine.
I'm a believer in Yeshua
And there aren't any sacred symbols or the all seeing eye and the masonic pyramid on the dollar bill ...even the cross in the Bible it says " cursed is he that hangs on it "
Yeshua hung on it died but was resurrected on the third day so that cross that everyone wears represents a....
It's only by faith in God that were to live and move and have our being
Jesus said " my kingdom is not of this earth ,it it were so I would've told you so. So that kills the fox in the hen house as to the separation of the church/ organic not the institution and state government
The founders said no religion. Period. How does it go, ..make no rule respecting religion .. ? Thanks for your courage, but I'd dial back that good ol'' feeling.
If I were a Christian, Id agree. The problem with Nat-Cism is that its ultimately not Christian. At all.
As a non-Christian I have a problem with it ... Because I am a non Christian.
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At about 9:48
"Any message in which Jesus is the means but not the goal is not true Christianity, it's idolatry."
Like worshiping a cross with a dead piece of beef jerky hanging from it.
Given the quotation marks I'm assuming this is a quote.
I get the intent, but the language isn't clear. I'm just annoyed that I can't think of a better way to say it.
Also, the crucifix analogy was almost apropos, but the beef jerky part was a weird turn. ???
It is pure idolatry. Patriotism is idolatry. Jesus's image is idolatry because it's not really him, it's most likely Cesear Borgias. And the image of Jesus keeps getting Caucasianized to suit the racist tendencies of white people and make themselves the superior race. Muslims are right with not allowing images of Muhammad, and Allah has no identifying characteristics other than the Black Cube.
Deeply un-American and dangerously un-Christian. The pudding metaphor was a spot-on tool! Well done.
Doesn't the fact that the majority of evangelicals and Americans voted for someone who was clearly a Christian nationalist make it actually quite American?
@andyderksen8455 Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem would qualify. Using the Bible to attack protestors in Lafayette square after the George Floyd lynching would be another. Installing exclusively Federalist Society Catholics on the Supreme Court via Leonard Leo "recommendations" qualifies as using Jesus for power.
Trump is highly transactional. He goes thru the motions of faith to validate to gain entrance to conservative Christianity. He takes conservative positions to purchase their allegiance to CN (insurrectionist) principles.
Anti-CRT, anti-masking, barely concealed support for bigotry and violence, and the insurrection itself. Love-Your-Neighbor Christians reject all of these positions as completely anti-Jesus.
@andyderksen8455 you mean like all of them?
@andyderksen8455Christian Nationalism isn’t a policy. It’s a philosophy of national identity and cultural dominance. A person can be a Christian Nationalist, a policy cannot. 2 people might both be Christian Nationalists but hold different policies.
Christian Nationalism can be something which drives policy for someone, or for a group of people. But it is not a specific policy. Your question doesn’t really make sense. It isn’t Trump’s policies that are Christian Nationalist, it’s Trump himself.
He flat out called himself a Nationalist back in 2018. His rhetoric has been largely Christian Nationalist, clearly because that’s what helps him win. I don’t believe he himself is a Christian, or that he even understands what Christianity is. But the rhetoric gets him votes.
That’s the thing: you don’t even have to be a Christian to be a Christian Nationalist.
Now do liberation theology
Fantastic video, and not because it "sticks it to the Trumpers" or anything. It's a fantastic video because it turns a mirror on us. I came away feeling, not angry at Christian nationalists, but embarrassed and repentant for all the ways I'VE used Jesus as a means to some other end than Jesus Himself. And a little self-reflection could go a long way with all of us. I do think Christian nationalism is more dangerous than just about any American movement right now. But I also have to recognize the idolatry in my own heart. Thanks as always, Holy Post team.
Wow. Very thoughtful.
There’s a reason why everyone else sees Christians as selfish, callous, and hateful.
Yeah, sure. How much are you REALLY willing to reflect on your own idolatry and hypocrisy? As a "developmentally disabled", nonbinary transgender Christian, who was literally driven to ruin and self-torture and demon-possession, by trying to live up to "Moral Majority" Conservative Evangelical sectarian doctrine for over 30 years, ... I've heard that sentiment before. 😾
You hit the nail on the head. Nothing changes out there (in the world) until things change in here (my own heart).
Good job. When I first heard about the prosperity gospel I couldn’t believe it. How in tarnation could anyone take such a snake oil seriously. Aren’t we supposed to help the poor and the downtrodden?
The goal is to instill fascism. "When fascism comes to America, it will be dressed in a flag and carrying a cross." -Sinclair Lewis, American novelist (1885-1951)
It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis. Highly recommended reading.
Under no circumstances should Trump be president!!
That is a good and valid quote, but it's not by Sinclair Lewis, and it's unknown who first said it
Wasn’t he a communist?
Not a pride flag?
You mean to tell me the people who built a literal golden idol of Trump and worshipped it aren’t following the gospel? Who’d have thought!
I appreciate this video as an atheist who understands the need to unite with moderate Christians/theists against extremism.
What I wish you would have mentioned, is how much overlap there is with white supremacists. They don’t just want a Christian nation, they want complete white Christian dominance. No one should want that, so I hope we can look past differences in belief for the sake of humanity and everyone who would not fit into their ideal and ever-narrowing in-group.
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Wow, atheists used to be smart, educated people. Not anymore, apparently.....two sides of the same coin.
Maybe he just doesn’t have the range to talk about that and chose to stay in his lane.
@@craig6363 that’s fair. But I hope they revisit this topic with someone who is knowledgeable because it is so important for moderate Christians to understand how closely intertwined Christian nationalism and white nationalism are.
@@katelynnehansen8115 I definitely agree.
Not sure how I got recommended this, as I'm far from religious even though I was raised Catholic. But it warms my heart to hear Christians seeing Christian Nationalism for what it is. I hope your words are spread far and wide, so many people need to hear them.
You recommended this because holy post is a liberal outreach
There is another babysit preacher who says it’s bad too
@@hgservices5572You don't support freedom of religion?
Are you okay forcing religion on to people?
I'm just curious..
"They worship me with their mouths, but their hearts are far from me." Raised catholic but atheist now....thank you for recognizing Christian nationalism for what it is.
@@user-qx7qk6qi5x no thank you.
Catholicism is not Christianity. It teaches that faith + works = salvation
@@doctordubspt91 what is your definition of Christianity? I'd always figured anyone that believed in Jesus Christ could claim the title.
@@jb71488 It’s not my definition. It’s what the Bible says. John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Doing good works does not and cannot save you. Only belief in Jesus Christ saves you. Jesus has done the work, we can’t add to what he’s done. We simply need to believe in him. And that is actually so hard for us because every single person is hard-wired for works righteousness.
@@user-qx7qk6qi5xStfu how about that?
This is a SHOCKING about of honesty and morality to be coming from a Christian source. Kudos to you sir.
I am a Christian.
I never felt quite right about Christian Nationalism.
I couldn't put my finger on why though.
Thank you answering my questions and solving my confusion.
Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
It’s what held me back from being a Christian. I was looking for earthly flawed men to determine my salvation instead of having a personal relationship and finally realizing that Jesus is the way and it is through him and only him that we have victory over sin and death. His kingdom is a multicultural kingdom and it is not based on worldly possessions and desires.
Me too. Christian but anti-Christian Nationalism.
It’s racist. That’s it.
Christian Nationalism is heresy. It won’t send you to Heaven. It’ll send you to Hell.
This video is just so good. I am a Christian & know that Christian nationalism is the biggest threat to Christianity not atheism that I was told growing up the daughter of an evangelical Christian. We are not & never have been a Christian nation and we have to fight CN with all we have!
You are absolutely 💯 correct ✅ and the Holy Bible Scriptures are being fulfilled right now as was foretold by the Prophet Daniel “The 4th and Final Beast a diverse nation led by the Little Horn” Trump short for trumpet 🎺 a horn and Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior said “One will come in his own name and the truth was never in him and you will accept him even some of the elect (Christians)” the Great Apostasy and Falling Away from God and his Commandments of Love ❤️ kindness and compassion oh yeah Trump the Father of Lies 😮😊❤Read Matthew 25:31/46 THE FINAL JUDGMENT in reference to the Wall proof that Trump is Evil 👿 especially a man who married 2 European women and brought their families to America 🇺🇸 truly Evil 👿 Hypocrites who Worship Money 💰 and Power 😮😊❤
Exactly, most atheists don't care one bit what religion you follow or what you believe, we only care when someone's religion starts to dictate our lives. I often feel like the nationalists are trying to start some holy war that will force us to fight your faith in general and that's just dumb.
It's likely the biggest corruption of th church in its entire history; the bribe of worldly power Jesus rejected.
Folks have to realize that most Christian nationalists are well meaning and honestly believe we would be much better place if we were (or remained) a Christian nation. You can be well intended but also completely wrong at the same time. They simply don't realize how Christian nationalism undermines both the nation and genuine Christian faith. They also tend to be folks that believe it is impossible to have morals apart from God, and that our laws should reflect good morals.
Atheism the biggest threat to Christianity? You've been brainwashed into thinking there is such a thing as Christianity in the first place. There is no such thing as 'god'
I have found it deeply disturbing to watch all these people claiming to be "Christian" forcing their beliefs on everyone in a country that was built on the wisdom of protecting religious freedom for everyone. Thank you for making such a clear explanation of what they really want so that people will not be deceived.
Forced belief isn't belief, it's makes liars not believers.
How do they force their beliefs on everyone?
I have no problem with the core teachings of Jesus having a strong influence on the government. I have a problem with highly flawed, sinful, arrogant, distorters of Gods truth telling us what should be done or thought.
What does the Bible actually say?
“Let all men (and women) be equal under God”. versus Republican talking points about Black Lives Matter?
“Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.” versus hatred of people seeking safe asylum at the border?
“If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.” versus Republicans media and politicians regularly sowing seeds of hatred and division.
“But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you?” versus Republican senators and members of the Supreme Court regularly taking money from lobby groups on behalf of rich clients.
“You shall not lie to one another” and “you shall not bear false witness” versus the Republican sham hearing faking evidence against the US President.
“You shall render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s “ versus Trump being prosecuted for false tax returns.
“How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?” versus the relentless verbal attacks on a small number of men who choose to wear a dress.
I think many quiet and faith full Christians would paraphrase this biblical prophesy about judgement day:
“Many (Christian Nationalists) will say ….. `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' (But God will reply) Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
@@andrewgeissinger5242Lets start with trying to label us a Christian nation.
Trying to put "God" back into schools.
Trying to put up 10 commandments in government buildings.
There are plenty more examples of forcing religion onto people.
@@andrewgeissinger5242 By establishing under penalty of law, what are their religious doctrines.
I’m an atheist now, but grew up in a devoutly Christian small town, was even convinced to get baptized when I was 14 or so. Left the church bc of a lot of Christian Nationalist-esque vibes I was getting from the people around me. But damn, if this guy was my pastor and the rest of the congregation followed his example, I may not have left. And I mean that in a good way. He’s making sound philosophical arguments in this video that even I, an atheist, can’t find any true fault in.
With all due respect, you didn’t leave because of Christian Nationalism and your disagreement of it. You left because you didn’t know the Lord. If you had, you would have done either one of two things.
1) Corrected your “pastor” or anyone else teaching this garbage. Or
2) Found a more biblically sound church with biblical teaching.
It’s sad that there are so many people such as yourself that blame church “pastors” and/or teachings as to why they are now atheists. You never had a relationship with the Lord. That was the true problem. And it stems from desiring all that the world has to offer. And that offer is sinful.
@@heir_to_the_promise - I’m not saying it’s the pastor’s fault that I left the church. I was saying that if this guy had been my pastor, I might’ve stuck with it longer than I did. My aversion to Christian Nationalism just gave me even more of a reason to leave when I did.
I think Christian Nationalism has pushed more people out of church than just about anything else. But I personally don't blame God for things humans do in His name. I don't go "to church" since COVID but I still do what I can to try and follow the Golden Rule and treat others with live and respect. I feel that Christianity should be about a personal relationship with Christ vs telling others how to live. I have friends who are atheist and that's fine with me. A tiny part of my heart wants them in Heaven but I don't know all the answers. I'm hedging my bets here. I believe but if I am wrong and all it did was make me a nicer person, no harm, no foul.
@@heir_to_the_promise Ah yes, the classic Evangelical gaslighting phrase.
_"Oh, you were never really a Christian... even though you prayed, attended church, and even got baptized. But you were never a Christian. I don't care what reasons you had for leaving, I'm saying it was your fault, therefore it is!"_
I hate to break it to you, but the judgement you are making of this complete stranger online is ill-informed. You don't know who they are, you can't see inside their head, and there's no way you can possibly discern the actual desires of their heart. So why are you writing to this person as if you know them more than they know themselves?
And if someone did that to you even though they'd never met you before in their life, wouldn't you find that to be arrogant on their part?
@@eliesh3833 Didn’t you just do it me with your judgmental rant? Hypocrite. I don’t know him, and you don’t know me, nor my motives. The irony. Think before you write anything from now on.
As an atheist I want to say thank you for your video and your take on christian nationalism, and denouncing it. The movement is deeply concerning and maddening. I far too often find myself immediately defensive and mistrustful whenever interacting with christians and since I live in TX that's almost always, I hate that about myself but not enough politicians speak out against it nor do I see many chriatians taking any issue with it so I tend to lump every christian into this camp and I know that's not what your faith teaches.
I am a Christian that is so skeptical of anyone that says they are a Christian because I live in a red state that supports beliefs that align with Christian Nationalism. I grew up with these people but have been ostracized because I do not agree with them.
I moved fro Texas to maine. Christianity is prevalent everywhere. Even here its too intense for my liking. I grew up in the Dallas area and I didn't know agnostics or Muslims existed until I was ready to leave texas. Which is pathetic. Thanks bible belt.
Oh shut up judy. The not a true Christian cop out is old hat. Put a sock in it
Sincerely asking why you listen to this podcast
@@bman11714 If I take "this podcast" to mean this particular UA-cam video, I'm watching and listening because it was on my UA-cam front page and I find the subject of Christian nationalism very troubling. Simple as that. I do not know anything else about the channel and I likely will not (at least not right now) check out other videos on this channel nor subscribe to any podcast.
(I'm not the OP, but I assume you would have asked the same question of every atheist and as I am one - meaning that I'm not convinced that any god or gods exist - I gave you my reason for watching this video.)
Looking at the comments I can see that I'm not the only atheist on here who respects the way that you call out what can be best described as toxic religion. I hope your message gets to those who need it the most as you are a rare bridge in humanity
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
As a Christian who lives in Australia, I see this occurring here, not to the same degree, though definitely within conservative groups and persons who are also influenced by Murdoch Media, who would be horrified at the suggestion that any form of this is just a reskinning of the prosperity formula.
it's the same in New Zealand 😢😢
Putin works a lot harder in the US than in Australia. He is KGB and he learned many years ago to use religion to control people
@@kle0patr0s oh yeah, that one day it was almost like you were in american, no?
Same here in Canada though it’s mostly coming from the evangelical community and not the old denominations like Anglican or RC
Murdoch is honestly the worst Australian to have ever existed and he helped destroy America
Very powerful analysis. As I watched, it occurred to me that in each case brought up, whether Christian Nationalism, Prosperity Gospel, or any of the rest, the focus is selfish. It is supposed to make the life of that individual better. But Christianity is supposed to be directed toward others, showing God's love and Christ's healing power to the world, sometimes at the expense of the individual Christian. Would any Christian Nationalist be willing to be put in prison for the Gospel, as Paul was?
Exactly, the narcissism is so palpable. I hated when I was in the Chinese evangelical churches, they would thank god for every little personal benefit, it was ghastly and super cringeworthy (I’m a Chinese immigrant). Almost everything they support is the opposite of what people feel universal goodness is. It only makes sense that Christianity is a readily available cloak to put on to mask their wickedness.
Thank you Skye. I remember back in 2016 hearing the Christian case for "why Trump's election was good, actually" that it sounded exactly like prosperity gospel applied to politics.
It helps me to remember nothing happens w/o God's rubberstamp on it. And to think about the fact that God appoints all nations leaders for his purposes & fulfill Biblical prophecy.
EG: May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was established. Guess what happened EXACTLY one Biblical gen/70yrs later...TO THEE DAY? The embassy thing & a bunch of other related stuff prophecy (excuse my elementary articulation). So God DID use Trump (or Jared/Trump adjacent), as he's used many DEPLORABLE ppl, for his purpose(s)...FOR A SEASON. "for a SEASON" is one of the many things that Trump worshippers posing as Christians seem to blantantly ignore...and hate.
As much as it appears that DT will be potus again, it seems to me that if God wanted DT to be in office any longer, he'd have let it happen, but even all the demons/demonic forces seeking to deceive, destroy & murder (successfully) didnt stop God's will that DT is DONE.
It's true that God could bring him back. I hear
Trumpers say God just wants us to know how blessed we were to have DT vs Biden & will not let us suffer (with all this calm & maturity???...I guess is what theyre referring to), for any longer than '24, but I hope & pray my thought is correct.
The Holy Post has truly given me a "home". I left my long time local church fam in 2017 bc i just couldn't take all the (imo) Trump worship. No politics/politician had ever bn so much as mentioned prior to DT. Then suddenly it was all about respect, honor, obedience to the potus. & I may never forget an elder's closing prayer one morning. He was so intense.with white-knuckle prayer...practically in tears "and ty Lord for blessing us with a president who has the GUTS..." i think I went comatose for a min. I felt SO ALONE in the world as a CONSERVATIVE who does NOT placate the glaringly obvious, abhorrent sin being normalized by society, incldg Biden, but thats alot easier to deal with bc, unlike Trump stuff its not in my face all the time, nor does it affect the state of the Union. God Bless you dear sibling ❤
@andyderksen8455You're missing the point.
@andyderksen8455you think Trump had good policies?
@andyderksen8455 that's a false dichotomy.
Both when that man won the Republican nomination, and when he won the presidency, it absolutely blew my mind the sheer amount of Christians, willing to throw away Christ’s commands to love, and his example and his statement that what we do to others we do to him and the fruits of the spirit, in exchange for trumpism cruelty and power.
It may be hyperbole to refer to "Christian nationalism" as the "American Taliban", but the end result is similar to the effect the Taliban has had on Afghanistan. It uses the illusion of faith in God as a means of imposing a very specific moral and political agenda on the entire nation. America is a diverse nation with dozens (or possibly even hundreds) of religious and spiritual beliefs. Our founding fathers recognized the peril inherent in this view, and specifically outlined a plan to ensure freedom of religious beliefs was enshrined in our Constitution. That Constitution is the moral and intellectual foundation upon which the republic was built. Christian nationalists would, by imposing their values upon the entire country (even those who choose to avoid organized religion entirely), deny freedom of religion to millions of Americans. This would be a social, political and moral disaster for the millions pushed aside by this harsh and narrow "spiritual" path.
"Moral disaster", indeed. It does not take a giant leap of logic to see the potential for mischief. If the Christian Nationalists attain their fondest desires, perhaps America might just as well have never prevailed for its principles in World War II, or fought its Civil War to determine the extent of its hypocrisy. But, then, the Civil War has never really ended, has it? The guns ceased their mocking laughter long since, but the firearm remains a favorite American comrade; and the emotions that triggered their use have been kept largely in effective check to this day, but said emotions are part and parcel of living and therefore indispensable, and may yet again be summoned into existence by the unscrupulous to snare the simple-minded, the sick, the misinformed and misused. Those who we of today consider history's greatest villains invoked national heritage, destiny and a purported responsibility of the latest generation to keep things on the proper course, just as the great heroes have had to on occasion - and, but for fortune or divine dispensation, those villains would themselves be hailed as heroes across the lands.
Know that I, too, believe I can recognize the red-white-and-blue peril being incubated. Know also that I acknowledge responsibility to use my voice in countering it, just as have you yourself in this very forum. Justice and righteousness shall prevail, indeed - but are we yet again to divide ourselves into "us" and "them" in fighting the good fight of that worthy pursuit?
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Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
@@goldenager59 The South never really stopped fighting the Civil War.
Very insightful, you are right. I am a Christian and have been researching the phenomenon Of Christian Nationalism in the US. your video was beneficial for understanding the core point, thank you!
I wish there was an extra like button. Well said and succinctly put. Emerson left his post as pastor of his congregation because he believed people were obsessed with the person of Jesus rather than what he stood for. They didn't want the values or to live a Christly life, they only wanted the pudding cups. I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.
that's when he started emerson, lake and palmer at emerson park on owasco lake while drinking an arnold palmer
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
As a Christian it is so refreshing to hear the truth. Thank you for your courage to call out Christian Nationalist and expose what they are really about!
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
This was the first “Holy Post” video I have seen and I am 100 percent impressed! Mister, you hit the nail on the head! This modern transactional religious practice is reminiscent of many ancient religious theologies - offering something good (prayers, tithes, sacrifice) to gain more possessions or to avert disasters (famine, plague, death). Humankind is still looking to the divine and trying to buy something.
Well said.
It’s hard to find a moderate Christian with a platform these days. Thank you for using your platform to stand up against this.
Christian nationalism began with fake Christians, i.e. the Puritans killing Native Americans to steal their land! Just as America was built by African slave labor, America will be destroyed by Africa empowering Russia and China with resources to destroy the West! America has one last chance to pay reparations to African-Americans or be destroyed!
We need to start referring to individual Christian Nationalists as "The Pudding Guy." This needs to become a meme.
Someone else did something better IMO. They inverted the term into Nationalist Christians and then abbreviated it: Nat-Cs.
@@DavidRichardson153 I like it!
hmm, i just refer to them as hatemongers... or better yet, not at all
Nah...pudding is a gift from God...better not to give it a bad name😂😂
@@DavidRichardson153hmm. I did nat-c that one coming. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
and now we understand when Christ will say, “Depart from me, I never knew you.” Well done video.
No that is what Jesus is going to say to all the hatemongers on this site. Their is no such thing as Christian Nationalists. It is a made up word by those who hate There is no love in this man, nor anyone who goes along with him. He wants God to be in his image and likeness and not the other way around. He is wolf in sheep's clothing. There are so many nowadays and the demons are crawling around looking for the ruin of souls. They are calling evil good and good evil. Jesus said it would be like that before His coming.
I'm late to the party, but so thankful I came across this video. It really opened my mind and helped me understand what Christian Nationalism really is - a form of idolatry. As a Christian, I have always been uncomfortable with it's manifestation and I knew that the end goal was cultural and political domination, but I didn't recognize the idolatry aspect.
You're absolutely right. As a Christian preacher I find the rhetoric coming out of Christian nationalists deeply unChristian
Do you mind sharing what type rhetoric you are referring to do you mind giving some examples I would love to know and look forward to hearing ? That is a big statement to make would love to hear your facts to back up your statement thank you ?
Same, if Christian Nationalists had their way. Not only would people's freedoms be put on the line, but the name of Christ would be tarnished.
The irony being that the bible does basically tell them various ways to keep power through oppression. You've just been fooled by cherry picking pastors into believing it is a 'good book'.That is absolute BS. It is actually a desperately morbid ocultist book. And the fella that the christ narrative is based on was actually a symbol of oppression by the religious establishment. He was killed along with many others like him (he was not The son of god you idiots) for trying out philosophy that contradicted religous beliefs. He was among many who questioned religion and then turned into a religious symbol. Do you understand yet?
What exactly is “unChristian” about bringing kingdoms under the rule of the kingdom of Heaven, and holding kings to the authority of the King of kings? Jesus used spicy rhetoric too.
@@davidlee4281Well it's what all Christians seem to want even though they don't understand how messed up and totalitarian it sounds. A magical being forcing everyone to live under their rule? JFC! If you can't see the arrogance then you will clearly never understand. Thankfully it is never going to happen bc it's all made up bs.