Oh, there _is_ a conclusion to this story?! I was afeared that AIC101 continues to trace circles in the sky over NYC to this day, even with the fuel spent years ago. Reminded me of the song: ua-cam.com/video/S7Jw_v3F_Q0/v-deo.html
@@dOVERanalyst Somewhat doubtful as the pilot even spelled out the ICAO airport code using the phonetic alphabet. 3:24 "Kilo sierra foxtrot whiskey weather please, sir." It doesn't get much more explicit than that lol. Pretty sure the controller was just confused as to what the pilots were asking for, and hey, working ATC is a lot to mentally juggle. I think we can cut the controller some slack here though as he *did* eventually pull his head out when the pilots were like "yeah we have low fuel, 2/3 radalts failed, TCAS inop, no ILS capability, and the weather is shit, can you help a brother out?"
I was flying EDV3330 into JFK (we come on screen at 12:00) this day and had no idea this was happening on frequency. How awesome these controllers are at their jobs, looking forward to the second part of this video! Thanks
Thanks for your coment, Jordan. For this particular case I'm only covering 135.900 so that's why you're not heard or you didn't even notice this was happening. It all happened on 135.9 and apparently DEP and APP were very well coordinated so that AIC101 didn't cause any effect on the inbound flow. Part 2 will show their last decisions and final diversion to EWR. Safe flights!
Not even the slightest impact. This was on 9/11 also so it would've certainly caused more alarm then necessary. Thank you, I will enjoy part two during breakfast now! Thanks for the great content
@@jordanweber4523 why would something cause "more alarm then necessary" when it's on that exact date? There are 365/366 days in a year... When you start saying 9/11 is a "special date", then you have to say that other dates are also special. Like the day when other things happened... Just wondering, that's all. Are pilots usually that superstitious?
@@TheTS1205 its not only pilots, but law enforcement and intelligence in USA usually is on guard for September 11th. In case of another attack at the same date, because it would make sense it would be like a throwback or something.
@@TheTS1205 not a pilot but my grandfather ran a terror prevention unit in one of the government offices (can't remember which, sorry) and yes, there are a couple days a year when their ears are up, and they usually change year by year based on last years events (like when the U.S did the airstrike on the Iranian generals on the 1 year anniversary they were on HIGH alert) or upcoming events (like the inauguration or world series.) Other days they have to pay a bit more attention too is the 4th of July and Christmas. Usually dates that represent a idea if that makes sense. They were also always extremely worried about 9/11 not just because two 9/11 attacks would be super scary (more so in my opinion than THE 9/11 and than 3/17 or whatever) but also because of copycat crimes from sympathizers which are much harder to track. So yeah, 365 days a year and probably 330 of them or so are just regular business but that last 35 they are motoring every tip they've been given the last year.(according to my grandfather it was 100s of legitimate tips a day with numerous ones a year actually requiring action to be taken) Sorry for the book, TL:DR: days with any significant meaning require more attention that others
@@andrewfrost8422 If you see at 5:42, the problem is both first (EWR) and second (Stewart) alternates have the same weather issue, hence looking for other options.
Thanks for this video and all your videos! My jaw dropped when, at 4:57, he said he lost 2 radio altimeters *and the TCAS*. I'm guessing ATC's awareness went to hyper-aware at that point. Yikes.
Dave Carlsen TCAS, is just an aid to detect aircraft near you and for conflict resolution, Not necessary for navigation. The radio altimeters, being that they are integrated with the autoland system is a slight problem, but again not used for navigation. The crew had a third altimeter to determine height, and other navigational equipment available. They did a splendid job overall.
My plane has no TCAS and I fly in congested airspace in IMC frequently. ATC separates the airplanes. It's a fallback, not a primary form of separation.
LegendLength All instrument approaches have ceiling and visibility minimums. For example, ILS, 200 - 1/2; minimum 200 foot ceiling, one half mile visibility. The weather minimums were below the required limits.
I´m not an avionics person and i don´t know that much about it all, but the way the atc and the pilots are talking to each other in that kind of respectful way just makes me feel like there´s a caring connection between them. Quite wholesome, great video.
Rewarded? For what? The pilot can't even make a decision and is taking up valuable time and airspace. And lets not a forget, a good pilot for an airline is the one that knows how to be fuel efficient and time efficient. The Indian airline pilot is a bad pilot for the airline.
@@IScreenshotNFTs I'm sure you would find crashing a loaded jumbo into an airport because three-quarters of your instruments are dead to be VERY efficient. Fortunately for all concerned, the Air India pilot thought otherwise and explored all options for a safe landing.
I think the reason why he didn't call an emergency was because he didn't need to land fast. Emergency means that the emergency aircraft has full priority and i think this wasnt necessary in this case.
At least the crew is adequately communicating their issues with ATC. In the past, there were crews not letting ATAC know exactly what their problems were until it was too late. This is paralleling Avianca Flight 52.
Oh God! I remember this Avianca case! The pilot used the word "priority" instead of "emergency"! And also, ATC never clearly asked how many minutes of fuel they had though the pilots mentioned low fuel sometimes (and as far as I remember the pilots never declared a fuel emergency, I don't know why!!)
Back then the English proficiency of pilots was not mandatory in LATAM countries. Due to this many crashes happened. When one crew translated and processes the information. Avianca is one. Kazakh air 1907 mid air collision over delhi is one. The Kazakh pilots spoke little english. India thankfully uses english in its medium of education evrywhere so our crew ATC ground staff all communicate very well.
turkish airlines flight 1951 crashed due to same or similar problems but the pilots were not aware and did not communicate. these guys did the opposite. respect
With all the bad press Air India receives, let's not be critical of the pilots. They are well trained on these state of the art American engineered Boeing aircraft and their English rivals or even bests those of native English speaking countries. (Can you imagine a Chinese aircraft with this same emergency trying to communicate!?) The AI product lacks in customer service, food quality, and logistics. None of which are at fault of the pilots, these pilots handled this situation with class, integrity, and preparedness. Air India might have shitty product, but as an NRI living in USA, I'm proud that they have pilot and crew like this. Well done AI101 flight deck and well done New York ATC.
My only criticism is they only told ATC of their issues because they were asked. Surely ATC would have understood the situation better had they been more forthcoming? Wouldn't a PAN-PAN be a perfect fit for this situation? Totally agree WRT their English.
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@@SirKarlMR It seems that China is doing such preposterous audacities as it's civilised & it's seems that you are all set for a verbal duel with me which I am not least interested to do. If you think it as such, it doesn't matter & yes, you can keep your beliefs to yourself!🙏😂😁😀👍👍👍👍👍
Declaring an emergency/pan-pan isn't magic. What helps is communicating the specific problems you face and what kind of assistance you need. They did that. ATC clearly understood the problems this flight had. Some UA-cam commentators do not. When you yell at ATC that you lost your single engine they're not going to ask you to declare an emergency, either, but I guess some people here would require that? Get a grip, people. This was a stressful and confusing situation for the pilots and they had their hands full running trouble-shooting, while flying the plane, while navigating to find a good airport while communicating with ATC. They were calm and professional. And landed the plane with hundreds of people on board. How dare people to trash talk this?
They put every single person on that plane at risk. WHEN they lost their instrumentation, they then needed better weather (higher ceilings, increased surface visibility, higher Runway Visual Range (RVR)) to land. They did NOT have these weather conditions nearby. They should have IMMEDIATELY declared an emergency, and headed for the nearest runway that was capable of accepting the weight of their aircraft. Waiting for the weather to improve is NOT an option. These clowns did exactly the wrong thing, and got lucky.
But declaring emergency grabs the attention of ATC and aircrafts around them in the busy area. I think it would benefit even from the communication side to pay attention to details of how to assist the aircraft in emergency if they do declare an emergency. I'm not a pilot though and that's just my logical assumption. So if I stand to be corrected by all means. It's just what I think looking from the outside.
But declaring emergency grabs the attention of ATC and aircrafts around them in the busy area. I think it would benefit even from the communication side to pay attention to details of how to assist the aircraft in emergency if they do declare an emergency. I'm not a pilot though and that's just my logical assumption. So if I stand to be corrected by all means. It's just what I think looking from the outside.
@@dennissvitak148 They did not lose their instrumentation on purpose, this was definitely an emergency and something you dont practice because to lose everything is told to be impossible, but it happened. Yeah sure they should have declared earlier, most definitely, but technically engines were still running, no fire, nothing besides instrumentation failures. They did it eventually though, and since you were not in the airplane, you have no right to judge. Your next point was heading to a different runway. They had a primary, and a secondary alternate, both with shit weather. Then Boston wasn't truly that much better and the exact minimum of what they needed, but as someone who has flown an approach that they say is 400' AGL or whatever, that can be very off. They were also low on fuel. These "clowns" flew an approach with not much left and did a fantastic job. Either get off your high horse as a pilot or whatever you are, or go learn something. Yes they had mistakes, but for fucks sake the did a fantastic job with what they had.
@@gregaleksandrovsky5806 - When your primary landing location is below minimums, you divert. Period. They waited, and waited, for their primary's weather to improve. They waited SO long, that they had to declare an emergency. They're idiots. Nothing you can do or say will ever convince me that their actions were safe or prudent.
I would love to take a flight with this flight crew. So professional and knowledgeable. Also, the ATC was amazing as well for helping coordinate getting the plane down.
Some heroes go unnoticed and this is the similar example of that. In this world, although i am not taking any respect from flamboyant feilds that are in the news for the heroes, but still there are few others as well who are ripping there asses apart, no wonder day or middle of night, rain, snow or scorching heat, festival or not, they are at work making all other to reach there destination in time so as atleast you can celebrate. Kudos to such professionals and aviation guys. You always got my respect !!!
I can't imagine the stress pilots go through, when they have all those lives on their shoulders, and they have to bring down a 50t jet, safely which is the hardest thing to do. Cudos to the Captain and F/O.
It was not master caution alert it was master warning alert because they retracted the landing gear while flaps were in landing configuration. So absolutly normal. After they retract the landing gear and retract the flaps after the go around, the master warning goes off. Master caution goes like: weepweepweepweep Master warning goes like: Doodee doodee doodee
That would be a textbook successful R/T exchange between foreign pilots and ATC. The guy took the time to explain his situation to ATC in details and using complete sentences and as a retrun ATC could help him better.
DEFINTELY the best example I've seen of ATC "Running The Drill" to assist an aircraft in trouble. Basically, "{Extended | augmented | Supplemental} CRM. Sometimes "outsourcing" staff works SOO well.
Indeed, presumably this sort of thing is probably where the controllers supervisor ends up earning their money. Least I presume it would likely fall on them to get on the phone and support the controller with the information they need as the controller can't get too bogged down as they have to control the other aircraft in their sector too.
They may have left with one RA unserviceable and lost a second one. Or there could have been an issue with one auto pilot. You can't do a CAT3 approach and autoland unless both are working. Lightning strike could have broken some of the electronics. It is also a strong possibility that they departed with less than minimum equipment. I wonder if there will be an investigation given that they did not declare an emergency.
Were they in danger of running out of fuel? Surely autopilot/ILS failure doesn't require an investigation. Should be possible to fly with other instruments..
rkan2 Only because it is highly unlikely to have so many simultaneous failures (not impossible but sufficiently unlikely to warrant investigation). So either there is some vulnerability that needs to be addressed with the manufacturer; or they took off with insufficient functioning equipment which needs to be addressed with the airline. Either way better to investigate this one where everyone walked away than the next one when they don't.
True... While I'm still skeptical this would require an investigation. (pls quote something that confirms this right or wrong); Air India certainly has history..
I know this was posted a year and a half ago, but I hadn't yet run across this video. But I got supremely excited to hear Kennedy Steve talking to the pilot.
Damn!! my desk job on the ground causes more stress than this one!!😁.. This situation felt so casual and normal... Kudos to the ATC folks and the crew...Alls well that Ends well... atleast thats the case with airplane landings!
@@truth7419Checking the spellings? They literally landed in NEWARK instead of Newyork as that was the closest airport alternative. Newark is a legit place apparently in New Jersey. I know. Sounds so much like New York. But we are the fools here. Both of them knew.
Indians patient- My God what a joke. As an Indian, I laughed so loud. Sure that pilot is definitely well-trained to handle patiently, but many people in my locality act like WW-3 is going to come any second. XD
Don't underestimate what is possible regarding AI, if you did a bit of research, you'd be astounded by what they can currently do and how quickly they're progressing. They don't talk about much on the news for some reason.
@@pegleg2959 Believe me I know what I'm talking abt. I'm sort of in AI lead at McAfee. I have hooked into GPT3, nothing fancy. Not the point though, since we are not yet much developed with our systems. What you must understand though, is that AI is a FSM, and more easily understood is the fact that AI is useless without data. Human existence is not data. The body is earth and mind is impressions (data) for sure. But being human is far far larger than the body and the mind. AI is never reaching that!!!
What? Kennedy Steve was a ground controller though. And if this video was uploaded the same year as the event happened then absolutely not, Kennedy Steve’s retirements on 2017
First of all I would like to thank the team for releasing this ATC audio. I had read abt this just 2 days ago and knowing that something like this happened in a major airport in USA , I knew that the atc audio will be released soon. Being an Indian myself I really was worried and anticipated to know what exactly happened with the aircraft in detail. This is the advantage of democracy and having the freedom of monitoring atc frequency. Here in India, monitoring atc or even police frequency is banned and is an criminal offence. Scanners too are very hard to acquire and all the shit.... For the 1st time I realised the greatest of this freedom as this involved an aircraft which was close to me. I once again thnk the Team for their fabulous job and the passion to keep on doing this Eagerly waiting for Part 2. Thanks from India🇮🇳🇮🇳 You guys rock and best wishes to you all for all your future endeavours.... Also guys I am really interested in starting this in India and just need some insights from you guys on how to get things started. Best Regards Thnk you for your service 🙏
@@vigneshanand3348 So you mean to say that US allows it for risks?? Could you please enlighten us as to what kind of security will possibly be affected or breached if reasonable safety measures are ensured?? Moreover, listening to the frequency will in no case affect the movement or control of aviation traffic in any manner whatsoever. We do live in a democracy but do not have the independent to perform certain activities which many other democratic countries do allow to their citizens be it western country or not. We all know the situation of Indian Aviation sector especially ATC movements and the increase in incidents. Monitoring will only increase transparency and will force the authorities to develop themselves and correct themselves. No hard feelings !!
@@magnanisagar Do I want to listen to Indian ATC yes Them not allowing it suddenly makes India an authoritarian regime , I don't think so Police scanners are legal in the US , which I would think is a big advantage to a criminal , but they still are completely legal
This is scary. I have no idea how pilots and crew felt when dealing with this situation. How would they even notify passengers if they find no solution or the approach is extremely risky?
Try listening to what they're saying without looking at the subtitles. You'll notice apart from the numbers, all you hear is them mumbling and spitting out words. Amazed how all pilots and control towers can understand each other even with different slangs.
Happy and healthy new year to you. Thank you do much for your videos it has taught me a lot what ATC does to help the planes fly and does so much more to help. Thank you so much Annie
The ATC really do a search of a bunch of aerodrome weather conditions while also keeping one eye on all the planes in his airspace as well as communicating and directing them all safely? Those street performers who can keep a dozen plates spinning have nothing on this dude.
The AIC pilot's accent reminds me of a story told by Kennedy Steve about an AIC flight landing at JFK with landing traffic short final behind him, and the controller asks him twice to exit the runway "no delay" and the pilot's response, is as follows: "Sir this is not a motor-car. It is a jumbo jet and we are turning as fast as we can."
I’m wondering why the controller didn’t offer, or the crew request, a PAR approach given the loss of instruments and low fuel. Perhaps Part 2 answers that question.
I will fly with this crew any day. I often wondered why pilots arnt issued with Ipads and foreflight for backup. Surely it could only improve situations like this.
VNAV Approach: In aviation, VNAV (short for vertical navigation; usually pronounced vee-nav) is glidepath information provided during an instrument approach, independently of ground-based navigation aids. ... The VNAV path is computed using aircraft performance, approach constraints, weather data, and aircraft weight.
Very nice crew and atc cooperation! There was no need for pan or mayday as the aircraft was not in any danger. Calling for such a situation would have created unnecessary headache for atc. The only problem i can see here is that the pilot is constantly concerning about the ceiling when only RVR is relevant as the hials break thru clouds and fog and you can go visual at your minimums and the RVR was very good in this scenario. The only time you are constrained by ceiling is when flying under visual rules.
Dude if u can’t perform a precision approach (airport below cieling/vis mins) u are fucked and should’ve declared. Instrument failures and fuel constraints in IMC.
I'm surprised why the pilot didn't declare an emergency or at least make the ATC aware of the instrumentation failure. It sounded like the ATC had to get the information out of him.
If you look at the time table, he missed the approach at 11h53m30s, and he informed ATC of the instrument issues at 11h55m20. So no, he did not take long to declare his instrument problems, and by the time he first stated it he probably wasn't even aware of the full range of the malfunction, they should be still running checklists.
he did make them aware, but only in passing. sounded like they were just figuring out everything, and as you know, aviate navigate communicate. edit: removed wrong bit.
@@ElvianEmpire If they had the MEL covered, it wouldn't be an emergency. Besides, no one cares about the MEL in flight. The MEL is used prior to takeoff / prior to release. Once you start rolling down the runway, anything that goes wrong is treated as an in flight emergency.
@@wansichen3743 Boy, you don't get it, do you? the ATC doesn't know the burn rate of every specific plane. the ATC knew the 777 was low on fuel but needs to know how many minutes of flight time the engines have left, based on the throttle settings and load of the plane, that only the pilots would know. He asked for the minutes, because knowing the volume or weight of fuel onboard is meaningless.
As far as I know, it means that the aircraft is large enough that other aircraft need to be careful to not stay too close it due to wake turbulence. Captain Joe has a great video on this.
A Question: When a plane does a "go around"... do they have to need a good reason for it, or would it be ok if they just say "well, we just wanted or felt better to do so"? Because the ATCs are always asking for a reason, which sounds like "you'll better have a good one for wasting our time".
ATC is mostly looking to see if they need to correct anything on their side I think - e.g. maybe the aircraft saw some FOD and the next landing needs to be aborted while some trucks go to clear it, for example. If it's an unstable approach though then there's nothing ATC needs to do for the next landing aircraft.
In addition to the other replies. If the flight crew experienced some odd wind/weather conditions during the approach that caused them to be too fast, slow, high, low or even off course (unexpected wind direction change), the ATC certainly wants to know about that to warn others.
Technically no you don’t need a reason at all. A pilot, co-pilot, someone else in the cockpit, or tower can call go-around for any reason at all. At that point the go happens no questions asked by the pilot flying the plane. ATC can ask and in the moment technically you don’t even have to respond to why you went around. Yes it’s an idea to give them a reason if they ask but in the moment you technically don’t have to.
Kudos to the pilots they did a great job but I think this video is also a great example of the caliber of air traffic controllers we have in United States. These guys are just amazing and the finest controllers in the world.
Sorry if this is a dumb question; I'm not a pilot. Why couldn't they do the RNAV(GPS) Y RWY 4R approach into JFK, LPV. Minimum 212/18. Don't they have WAAS GPS? Why were they talking about LNAV/VNAV?
I’m a bit dazzled. I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and ever since you started to include real maps, I’m getting more and more curious as to which purpose those lines serve? Not an expert on ATC, just an enthusiastic aviator 🙈
Matevz Kramar The lines you see are called video mapping. Some lines designate different sectors of control, some minimum vectoring altitude areas. Runways at airports. Fixes, or points that you can have the pilot report over.. Departure or arrival fixes where transfer of control is made. Extended runway centerlines, spaced 1 nm apart, used for SAR approaches. There is a lot more, but i will run out of room!
Supposedly these gents are ex air-force pilots, so I can only assume that their cool-under-pressure attitudes come from heavy training and situational work in their service.
That Air India crew were as cool as a cucumber, that's exactly pilots get paid well and they deserve every single penny of it...... they handled the situation absolutely brilliantly. That's an extremely dangerous situation for an aircraft to be in and they got everyone safely on the ground, well done fellas!!!
So from what I understand they couldn't do an ILS approach at JFK because the instruments failed.. and no VNAV because the weather minimum was not met.. so why no visual approach?
For those saying the pilot should not have dithered and landed immediately, that doesn't have to have been the case. They could have made a determination that they needed to first figure out all scenarios before a final decision. None of the airports were working for them due to the lack of instruments and low ceilings. So they were systematically working through the alternatives. Don't see much wrong on how they handled this.
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PART 2 VIDEO --> ua-cam.com/video/SG2T1kXOCHU/v-deo.html
We just don’t know the conclusion... :-)
Oh, there _is_ a conclusion to this story?! I was afeared that AIC101 continues to trace circles in the sky over NYC to this day, even with the fuel spent years ago.
Reminded me of the song: ua-cam.com/video/S7Jw_v3F_Q0/v-deo.html
I was about to post a comment like "HOW COULD YOU LET IT END LIKE THAT????" haha. Thanks! Love the channel.
ATC : Captain, could you tell what else is not working?
Pilot: it's easy for us to tell what is working; myself and First officer
lol
Dont forget the coffee machine.
We are Indians, only our sacred cows is doing okay
"To Bhai, tune land kaise Kiya?"
"Jugaad"
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I love "can we get the weather?" "Do you want to land?" "No just the weather" "do you want to divert?" "Weather please"
Ikr. I'm curious if they couldn't understand Stuart pronunciation
MARK TWAIN: Everyone complains about the weather, but unfortunately nobody ever does anything about it.
@@dOVERanalyst Somewhat doubtful as the pilot even spelled out the ICAO airport code using the phonetic alphabet.
3:24 "Kilo sierra foxtrot whiskey weather please, sir." It doesn't get much more explicit than that lol. Pretty sure the controller was just confused as to what the pilots were asking for, and hey, working ATC is a lot to mentally juggle. I think we can cut the controller some slack here though as he *did* eventually pull his head out when the pilots were like "yeah we have low fuel, 2/3 radalts failed, TCAS inop, no ILS capability, and the weather is shit, can you help a brother out?"
I love how there are multiple failures, depleted fuel and adverse weather, yet the flight crew remain as cool as a cucumber. That's professionalism.
They seemed hot like curry to me.
@@ObamaoZedong I don’t literally lol that often but that got me bro, thank you.
if they're so good HOW COME THEY SPEAK WITH AN ACCENT HUH?
@@jaydouglas8845 "[...] it is one ting ta call it dumb; another to actually refute it" - Mahatma Gandhi, 1967
they did the job but i think they should have declared emergency
That Air India Pilot has some gooooood and smoth atc skills. Well done
must be a former airforce pilot
@33kaus holokaust Thats pakistan
Because in india we have radio telephony exam which is really hard to clear, that's may be make him in good skills
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I was flying EDV3330 into JFK (we come on screen at 12:00) this day and had no idea this was happening on frequency. How awesome these controllers are at their jobs, looking forward to the second part of this video! Thanks
Thanks for your coment, Jordan. For this particular case I'm only covering 135.900 so that's why you're not heard or you didn't even notice this was happening. It all happened on 135.9 and apparently DEP and APP were very well coordinated so that AIC101 didn't cause any effect on the inbound flow. Part 2 will show their last decisions and final diversion to EWR. Safe flights!
Not even the slightest impact. This was on 9/11 also so it would've certainly caused more alarm then necessary. Thank you, I will enjoy part two during breakfast now! Thanks for the great content
@@jordanweber4523 why would something cause "more alarm then necessary" when it's on that exact date?
There are 365/366 days in a year...
When you start saying 9/11 is a "special date", then you have to say that other dates are also special. Like the day when other things happened...
Just wondering, that's all.
Are pilots usually that superstitious?
@@TheTS1205 its not only pilots, but law enforcement and intelligence in USA usually is on guard for September 11th. In case of another attack at the same date, because it would make sense it would be like a throwback or something.
@@TheTS1205 not a pilot but my grandfather ran a terror prevention unit in one of the government offices (can't remember which, sorry) and yes, there are a couple days a year when their ears are up, and they usually change year by year based on last years events (like when the U.S did the airstrike on the Iranian generals on the 1 year anniversary they were on HIGH alert) or upcoming events (like the inauguration or world series.) Other days they have to pay a bit more attention too is the 4th of July and Christmas. Usually dates that represent a idea if that makes sense. They were also always extremely worried about 9/11 not just because two 9/11 attacks would be super scary (more so in my opinion than THE 9/11 and than 3/17 or whatever) but also because of copycat crimes from sympathizers which are much harder to track. So yeah, 365 days a year and probably 330 of them or so are just regular business but that last 35 they are motoring every tip they've been given the last year.(according to my grandfather it was 100s of legitimate tips a day with numerous ones a year actually requiring action to be taken)
Sorry for the book, TL:DR: days with any significant meaning require more attention that others
Beyond excellent airmanship. As a student pilot I can only watch in awe at the calmness and clarity this aircrew displayed under extreme pressure
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Really,,, total total dithering, get to your alternate airport,,, NOT KEEP SAYING FUEL IS LOW.
This crew was shocking.
@@Senseigainz How so?
@@andrewfrost8422 If you see at 5:42, the problem is both first (EWR) and second (Stewart) alternates have the same weather issue, hence looking for other options.
Thanks for this video and all your videos!
My jaw dropped when, at 4:57, he said he lost 2 radio altimeters *and the TCAS*. I'm guessing ATC's awareness went to hyper-aware at that point. Yikes.
Dave Carlsen TCAS, is just an aid to detect aircraft near you and for conflict resolution, Not necessary for navigation. The radio altimeters, being that they are integrated with the autoland system is a slight problem, but again not used for navigation. The crew had a third altimeter to determine height, and other navigational equipment available. They did a splendid job overall.
My plane has no TCAS and I fly in congested airspace in IMC frequently. ATC separates the airplanes. It's a fallback, not a primary form of separation.
What a day at work - losing instrumentation, can't land at airport, alternate airports not any better.
Weather
Add to that flying on vapor for fuel.
This is why I have mad respect for professional pilots.
Stephen Hunter Really? 7200kg of fuel is far from vapor.
LegendLength All instrument approaches have ceiling and visibility minimums. For example, ILS, 200 - 1/2; minimum 200 foot ceiling, one half mile visibility. The weather minimums were below the required limits.
I´m not an avionics person and i don´t know that much about it all, but the way the atc and the pilots are talking to each other in that kind of respectful way just makes me feel like there´s a caring connection between them. Quite wholesome, great video.
This pilot of Air India 101 Heavy should be rewarded. Not even losing hes shit, hes relaxed and no hesitation or what ever. Crazy!
im sure he knew about it just had to inform the tower hahahah
Could be a former air force pilot.
Rewarded? For what? The pilot can't even make a decision and is taking up valuable time and airspace. And lets not a forget, a good pilot for an airline is the one that knows how to be fuel efficient and time efficient. The Indian airline pilot is a bad pilot for the airline.
@@IScreenshotNFTs I'm sure you would find crashing a loaded jumbo into an airport because three-quarters of your instruments are dead to be VERY efficient. Fortunately for all concerned, the Air India pilot thought otherwise and explored all options for a safe landing.
It's hard to lose your shit when the spicy biryani made you loose it in the lavatory 5 hours ago.
Interesting that he doesn't call an emergency, still handled very professional. Scary situation.
Def Mayday, he was flying blind. But Calm and communicated.
I think the reason why he didn't call an emergency was because he didn't need to land fast. Emergency means that the emergency aircraft has full priority and i think this wasnt necessary in this case.
@@makr0295 Then pan-pan-pan could've been a good choice in this case, right? I'm a newbie in this, trying to get to know the ways.
@@Bearsone exactly
Flying blind and running out of gas. Should have called an emergency.
At least the crew is adequately communicating their issues with ATC. In the past, there were crews not letting ATAC know exactly what their problems were until it was too late. This is paralleling Avianca Flight 52.
Oh God! I remember this Avianca case! The pilot used the word "priority" instead of "emergency"! And also, ATC never clearly asked how many minutes of fuel they had though the pilots mentioned low fuel sometimes (and as far as I remember the pilots never declared a fuel emergency, I don't know why!!)
Back then the English proficiency of pilots was not mandatory in LATAM countries. Due to this many crashes happened. When one crew translated and processes the information. Avianca is one. Kazakh air 1907 mid air collision over delhi is one. The Kazakh pilots spoke little english. India thankfully uses english in its medium of education evrywhere so our crew ATC ground staff all communicate very well.
turkish airlines flight 1951 crashed due to same or similar problems but the pilots were not aware and did not communicate. these guys did the opposite. respect
Fantastic pilots... Very cool, smooth, professional and they sounded supremely confident in such a scary and precarious situation.
Always impressed at how well the Indian pilots speak English compared to some other pilots.
They were actually a colony of the British not to long ago
And they use English as their lingua franca. India is enormous and literally hundreds of languages.
English is an official language of India, they learn it in school and in university
Australians are also very good. 😁😁😁😁😁
@@Raging.Geekazoid 😂
*PART 2 WILL BE RELEASED SOON COVERING SOME MORE VECTORS, CALCULATIONS AND THEIR DIVERSION TO NEWARK (KEWR)*
did they land?
So no emergency declared. Hmmm.....
midair refueling
What was their fuel?
@@benoitm2810 I'm dying😂😂
We basically have a wet compass and decoder ring from a cereal box, so if you can give us an airport where that'll work, it'd be appreciated.
Very dangerous situation and the crew in that Air India kept themself very calm on the radio. I can imagine the busy cockpit at that time.
Damm that pilot was Cool id be running up and down the isle Screaming WERE ALL GONNA DIE WERE ALL GONNA DIE Then Abruptly Pass Out..
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hahahaha... And the passengers would pass out too
Lol .... Just imagined this happening with me 😂 ..... Passengers would have died of heart attack before anything else .....
@@gurjotsingh9497 🤣🤣🤣
With all the bad press Air India receives, let's not be critical of the pilots. They are well trained on these state of the art American engineered Boeing aircraft and their English rivals or even bests those of native English speaking countries. (Can you imagine a Chinese aircraft with this same emergency trying to communicate!?) The AI product lacks in customer service, food quality, and logistics. None of which are at fault of the pilots, these pilots handled this situation with class, integrity, and preparedness. Air India might have shitty product, but as an NRI living in USA, I'm proud that they have pilot and crew like this. Well done AI101 flight deck and well done New York ATC.
Manpreet Singh Why bring China into this? Your inferiority complex is showing. Face it, India will always be inferior to China
@@boblee5586 You can console your self thinking like that & your comment itself shows who's inferior!LOL!🙏😂😁😀👍
My only criticism is they only told ATC of their issues because they were asked. Surely ATC would have understood the situation better had they been more forthcoming? Wouldn't a PAN-PAN be a perfect fit for this situation? Totally agree WRT their English.
@@SirKarlMR It's not a question of development that matters but international relations. China is disliked by all countries except rogue countries like North Korea & Pakistan which don't have any locus standi in international arena. So being developed doesn't mean two extra horn's & yes, no one love's a bully & they should be put in their proper place & India do have the credentials to do that with much elan than any other Asian country & of course, China do understand that very much!🙏😂😁😀👍
@@SirKarlMR It seems that China is doing such preposterous audacities as it's civilised & it's seems that you are all set for a verbal duel with me which I am not least interested to do. If you think it as such, it doesn't matter & yes, you can keep your beliefs to yourself!🙏😂😁😀👍👍👍👍👍
Declaring an emergency/pan-pan isn't magic.
What helps is communicating the specific problems you face and what kind of assistance you need. They did that.
ATC clearly understood the problems this flight had. Some UA-cam commentators do not.
When you yell at ATC that you lost your single engine they're not going to ask you to declare an emergency, either, but I guess some people here would require that?
Get a grip, people. This was a stressful and confusing situation for the pilots and they had their hands full running trouble-shooting, while flying the plane, while navigating to find a good airport while communicating with ATC. They were calm and professional. And landed the plane with hundreds of people on board. How dare people to trash talk this?
They put every single person on that plane at risk. WHEN they lost their instrumentation, they then needed better weather (higher ceilings, increased surface visibility, higher Runway Visual Range (RVR)) to land. They did NOT have these weather conditions nearby. They should have IMMEDIATELY declared an emergency, and headed for the nearest runway that was capable of accepting the weight of their aircraft. Waiting for the weather to improve is NOT an option. These clowns did exactly the wrong thing, and got lucky.
But declaring emergency grabs the attention of ATC and aircrafts around them in the busy area. I think it would benefit even from the communication side to pay attention to details of how to assist the aircraft in emergency if they do declare an emergency.
I'm not a pilot though and that's just my logical assumption. So if I stand to be corrected by all means. It's just what I think looking from the outside.
But declaring emergency grabs the attention of ATC and aircrafts around them in the busy area. I think it would benefit even from the communication side to pay attention to details of how to assist the aircraft in emergency if they do declare an emergency.
I'm not a pilot though and that's just my logical assumption. So if I stand to be corrected by all means. It's just what I think looking from the outside.
@@dennissvitak148 They did not lose their instrumentation on purpose, this was definitely an emergency and something you dont practice because to lose everything is told to be impossible, but it happened. Yeah sure they should have declared earlier, most definitely, but technically engines were still running, no fire, nothing besides instrumentation failures. They did it eventually though, and since you were not in the airplane, you have no right to judge. Your next point was heading to a different runway. They had a primary, and a secondary alternate, both with shit weather. Then Boston wasn't truly that much better and the exact minimum of what they needed, but as someone who has flown an approach that they say is 400' AGL or whatever, that can be very off. They were also low on fuel. These "clowns" flew an approach with not much left and did a fantastic job. Either get off your high horse as a pilot or whatever you are, or go learn something. Yes they had mistakes, but for fucks sake the did a fantastic job with what they had.
@@gregaleksandrovsky5806 - When your primary landing location is below minimums, you divert. Period. They waited, and waited, for their primary's weather to improve. They waited SO long, that they had to declare an emergency. They're idiots. Nothing you can do or say will ever convince me that their actions were safe or prudent.
I would love to take a flight with this flight crew. So professional and knowledgeable. Also, the ATC was amazing as well for helping coordinate getting the plane down.
Some heroes go unnoticed and this is the similar example of that. In this world, although i am not taking any respect from flamboyant feilds that are in the news for the heroes, but still there are few others as well who are ripping there asses apart, no wonder day or middle of night, rain, snow or scorching heat, festival or not, they are at work making all other to reach there destination in time so as atleast you can celebrate. Kudos to such professionals and aviation guys. You always got my respect !!!
I can't imagine the stress pilots go through, when they have all those lives on their shoulders, and they have to bring down a 50t jet, safely which is the hardest thing to do. Cudos to the Captain and F/O.
Have you done it?
50? The B777 fully loaded weighs more than 300 tons
So scary to hear the cockpit warning in the ATC audio
Libratyan Jhon on which minute ?
It was just autopilot disconnect alert. Normal ops.
@@juusojd it was the Master Caution alert, not A/P disc;)
It was not master caution alert it was master warning alert because they retracted the landing gear while flaps were in landing configuration. So absolutly normal.
After they retract the landing gear and retract the flaps after the go around, the master warning goes off.
Master caution goes like: weepweepweepweep
Master warning goes like:
Doodee doodee doodee
ahmed smart HAHAHA! You said DooDee
Thanks for featuring this. Kudos to the Pilots for staying calm.
yeah cuz we Indians usually FREAK out
Normally pilots are calm at dealing with problems inflight, even flying GA.
@Alfs Awful lol
Really professional ATC and crew - working the problem between them.
That would be a textbook successful R/T exchange between foreign pilots and ATC. The guy took the time to explain his situation to ATC in details and using complete sentences and as a retrun ATC could help him better.
DEFINTELY the best example I've seen of ATC "Running The Drill" to assist an aircraft in trouble.
Basically, "{Extended | augmented | Supplemental} CRM. Sometimes "outsourcing" staff works SOO well.
Indeed, presumably this sort of thing is probably where the controllers supervisor ends up earning their money. Least I presume it would likely fall on them to get on the phone and support the controller with the information they need as the controller can't get too bogged down as they have to control the other aircraft in their sector too.
Both ILS receivers and RA are gone plus the weather is nothing but some bullshit. What are the chances???
Very few. They ended up diverting to EWR with an OVC004 ceiling. Thankfully they made it on the first attempt.
They may have left with one RA unserviceable and lost a second one. Or there could have been an issue with one auto pilot. You can't do a CAT3 approach and autoland unless both are working.
Lightning strike could have broken some of the electronics.
It is also a strong possibility that they departed with less than minimum equipment.
I wonder if there will be an investigation given that they did not declare an emergency.
Were they in danger of running out of fuel? Surely autopilot/ILS failure doesn't require an investigation. Should be possible to fly with other instruments..
rkan2 Only because it is highly unlikely to have so many simultaneous failures (not impossible but sufficiently unlikely to warrant investigation). So either there is some vulnerability that needs to be addressed with the manufacturer; or they took off with insufficient functioning equipment which needs to be addressed with the airline. Either way better to investigate this one where everyone walked away than the next one when they don't.
True... While I'm still skeptical this would require an investigation. (pls quote something that confirms this right or wrong); Air India certainly has history..
I watched the second part of this first and my heart is still racing. Extraordinary calm during rush hour. Godspeed, indeed. Great graphics, btw
Great Controller, well done, so helpful!!! Great work everyone! Great Air India Pilot, well done
Hats off to the Captain with this situation.
I know this was posted a year and a half ago, but I hadn't yet run across this video. But I got supremely excited to hear Kennedy Steve talking to the pilot.
That was my first thought too! "Hey, that's Kennedy Steve!!"
hats off AI pilots... they are so well trained!! AI needs to improve their service quality...
hahahahahahahahaha
And their inflight food as well
The Air India pilot was just awesome.
*"Gimme the fuel...in minutes"*
Damn!! my desk job on the ground causes more stress than this one!!😁..
This situation felt so casual and normal... Kudos to the ATC folks and the crew...Alls well that Ends well... atleast thats the case with airplane landings!
*After 6 hours of hovering around here and there* AIR INDIA 101 , HOW'S THE WEATHER IN NEWARK NOW?
L4 INDIA You are so funny.. You are checking the spellings Lol😂😂
@@truth7419Checking the spellings? They literally landed in NEWARK instead of Newyork as that was the closest airport alternative.
Newark is a legit place apparently in New Jersey. I know. Sounds so much like New York. But we are the fools here. Both of them knew.
Air India pilots: Top marks
Air India maintenance crew: eehhhhhhh
Tough day in the office. Well done guys.
A new variation on a very bad day at the office
So professional. Bloes my mind
@@ucantjustdoit i have to disagree
Hilary you are very obnoxiously rude
I heard about this but wanted to see your video on it.
Indian patience at its best! Asking three time for conditions at an alternate and having to detaily explain why!
Indians patient- My God what a joke. As an Indian, I laughed so loud. Sure that pilot is definitely well-trained to handle patiently, but many people in my locality act like WW-3 is going to come any second. XD
@@aadeshsenthilkumar 🤣
@@aadeshsenthilkumar IKR. This guy's patience is an individual virtue, not a product of his culture.
This, human improvisation, can never be done by AI
Don't underestimate what is possible regarding AI, if you did a bit of research, you'd be astounded by what they can currently do and how quickly they're progressing. They don't talk about much on the news for some reason.
@@pegleg2959 Believe me I know what I'm talking abt. I'm sort of in AI lead at McAfee. I have hooked into GPT3, nothing fancy. Not the point though, since we are not yet much developed with our systems. What you must understand though, is that AI is a FSM, and more easily understood is the fact that AI is useless without data. Human existence is not data. The body is earth and mind is impressions (data) for sure. But being human is far far larger than the body and the mind. AI is never reaching that!!!
@@__dRC I don’t know about all that. Humans err at a far, FAR higher rate than machines or AI
They might never be able to do this in particular, but if this plane goes down autonomously, how many others are saved from pilot error?
@@drnogueiras8783 Even AI are trained and made to learn from actual incident which happened with Human.
This is the first time I've heard Kennedy Steve handle a serious problem that I know of.
What? Kennedy Steve was a ground controller though. And if this video was uploaded the same year as the event happened then absolutely not, Kennedy Steve’s retirements on 2017
Just another new Yorker, probably not Steve
And of course
it's Air India!
Props to the pilot and ATC for handling this like a boss
First of all I would like to thank the team for releasing this ATC audio.
I had read abt this just 2 days ago and knowing that something like this happened in a major airport in USA , I knew that the atc audio will be released soon.
Being an Indian myself I really was worried and anticipated to know what exactly happened with the aircraft in detail.
This is the advantage of democracy and having the freedom of monitoring atc frequency.
Here in India, monitoring atc or even police frequency is banned and is an criminal offence.
Scanners too are very hard to acquire and all the shit....
For the 1st time I realised the greatest of this freedom as this involved an aircraft which was close to me.
I once again thnk the Team for their fabulous job and the passion to keep on doing this
Eagerly waiting for Part 2.
Thanks from India🇮🇳🇮🇳
You guys rock and best wishes to you all for all your future endeavours....
Also guys I am really interested in starting this in India and just need some insights from you guys on how to get things started.
Best Regards
Thnk you for your service 🙏
We don't allow monitoring ATC Comms for security.
It's nothing to do with democracy , we do have a democracy .
vignesh anand Rubbish reply!
@@rubenvillanueva622 Correct...
I second this!!
@@vigneshanand3348 So you mean to say that US allows it for risks??
Could you please enlighten us as to what kind of security will possibly be affected or breached if reasonable safety measures are ensured??
Moreover, listening to the frequency will in no case affect the movement or control of aviation traffic in any manner whatsoever.
We do live in a democracy but do not have the independent to perform certain activities which many other democratic countries do allow to their citizens be it western country or not.
We all know the situation of Indian Aviation sector especially ATC movements and the increase in incidents.
Monitoring will only increase transparency and will force the authorities to develop themselves and correct themselves.
No hard feelings !!
@@magnanisagar Do I want to listen to Indian ATC yes
Them not allowing it suddenly makes India an authoritarian regime , I don't think so
Police scanners are legal in the US , which I would think is a big advantage to a criminal , but they still are completely legal
Enormous Airmanship!!!
This is scary. I have no idea how pilots and crew felt when dealing with this situation. How would they even notify passengers if they find no solution or the approach is extremely risky?
I ❤️ that for the full forms he did I for India for the Indian pilot. That's so thoughtful.
I is india in aviation phonetic alphabets
Legend has it that he is still circling waiting for the weather to improve.
(it just ends... without even starting the approach)
Pinned comment indicates a Part 2 coming
Diverted to Newark at the end
Vinayak P geez Thank you 🙏
and you are a JERK
Spoiler alert
Try listening to what they're saying without looking at the subtitles. You'll notice apart from the numbers, all you hear is them mumbling and spitting out words. Amazed how all pilots and control towers can understand each other even with different slangs.
It’s not as clear as what they are hearing. (Since this video uses an outside radio)
These two pilots deserve a big raise
Sunny Ranadive the airline itself is on the verge of privatisation..what raise are u talking about :/
@@layth7868it's already owned by TATA now. It's happened.
Happy and healthy new year to you. Thank you do much for your videos it has taught me a lot what ATC does to help the planes fly and does so much more to help. Thank you so much Annie
Thank you for the upload, was waiting for this.. 😁😬
The ATC really do a search of a bunch of aerodrome weather conditions while also keeping one eye on all the planes in his airspace as well as communicating and directing them all safely? Those street performers who can keep a dozen plates spinning have nothing on this dude.
That time lapse in the end really amazes me how atc work. The skies is alot stressful than driving on the car even while talking to each other.
Professional dealt with by pilots and ATC, and english was still very understandable from the pilots
Most (non-native) captains have pretty solid English. I notice more errors from first officers because they usually have less seat time than captains.
Shout out to this Air India pilot! bravo!
His English was perfect. He had an Indian accent.
@@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts ehh and Indian wouldn't really classify as a non-native
The AIC pilot's accent reminds me of a story told by Kennedy Steve about an AIC flight landing at JFK with landing traffic short final behind him, and the controller asks him twice to exit the runway "no delay" and the pilot's response, is as follows:
"Sir this is not a motor-car. It is a jumbo jet and we are turning as fast as we can."
Yes I have heard that famous line on several UA-cam vids
@@shriv55 link it please
Really? This pilot's accent is in no way similar to the APU impression done in the Kennedy Steve interview.
The ATC's voice sounds similar to Kennedy Steve, minus the snark. It's distinctive to my ear. What teamwork.
I feel like I was watching a movie with this one
ATC deserves so much of respect mann....they handle multiple flights and give direction to them all at the same time
New to your site and thanks for sharing. Just curious, what are the two (2) numbers under the aircraft identifier?
first is altitude in hundreds, second is ground sped in tens.
With the support of such professional Air Taffic Controllers, anything is possible. Hats off to them and the very professional flight crew.
"CHIEF! We lost both mission computers...."
That was the day that I passed my PPL flight test at CYAV!
I’m wondering why the controller didn’t offer, or the crew request, a PAR approach given the loss of instruments and low fuel. Perhaps Part 2 answers that question.
Did you get the answer in part 2?
@@sidv4615 Nope. I still don’t know the answer.
Excellent airmanship, and I am always amazed at the JFK controllers.
I will fly with this crew any day. I often wondered why pilots arnt issued with Ipads and foreflight for backup. Surely it could only improve situations like this.
I would think that a pilot would bring their own ipad with them.
VNAV Approach:
In aviation, VNAV (short for vertical navigation; usually pronounced vee-nav) is glidepath information provided during an instrument approach, independently of ground-based navigation aids. ... The VNAV path is computed using aircraft performance, approach constraints, weather data, and aircraft weight.
Legend has it they're still stuck on top.
The problem solving skills required to be an ATC makes it look like a VERY involved and fulfilling job.
I bet time flies when you're on the job!
Meh... Captain Maggie would have had no trouble landing it
No, this one has too many wheels.
WE will neeeverr PAN or call for a MAYDAY!!
Btw, was this Kennedy Steve? Cuz it sort of sounds like it a bit. Or was this after Steve retired?
"Landing gear's frozen...lost my radar...l'm out of fuel...lost a wing...there goes the other one."
OK Topper, call the ball!
What many people here don’t know
is that many AirIndia pilots are Ex-Airforce pilots
Fyi he was not from iaf, infact all 4 were not from any forces
Very nice crew and atc cooperation!
There was no need for pan or mayday as the aircraft was not in any danger. Calling for such a situation would have created unnecessary headache for atc.
The only problem i can see here is that the pilot is constantly concerning about the ceiling when only RVR is relevant as the hials break thru clouds and fog and you can go visual at your minimums and the RVR was very good in this scenario. The only time you are constrained by ceiling is when flying under visual rules.
Dude if u can’t perform a precision approach (airport below cieling/vis mins) u are fucked and should’ve declared. Instrument failures and fuel constraints in IMC.
That pilot speaks in beautifully clear English even though it’s not his first language
Thankyou🇮🇳
I have travelled in air india 101.
It flies from mumbai to delhi and then new york.
Considering what had happened in that cockpit, the Pilot was as cool as ice.
Thank you so much @vasaviation for adding this.
I'm surprised why the pilot didn't declare an emergency or at least make the ATC aware of the instrumentation failure. It sounded like the ATC had to get the information out of him.
If you look at the time table, he missed the approach at 11h53m30s, and he informed ATC of the instrument issues at 11h55m20. So no, he did not take long to declare his instrument problems, and by the time he first stated it he probably wasn't even aware of the full range of the malfunction, they should be still running checklists.
he did make them aware, but only in passing. sounded like they were just figuring out everything, and as you know, aviate navigate communicate.
edit: removed wrong bit.
Aviate, navigate and communicate
@@ElvianEmpire If they had the MEL covered, it wouldn't be an emergency.
Besides, no one cares about the MEL in flight. The MEL is used prior to takeoff / prior to release.
Once you start rolling down the runway, anything that goes wrong is treated as an in flight emergency.
true. edited it out.
"Somehwere we can land with a non precision approach"
Thanks Victor.
“Give me your fuel in ‘minutes’”-Yikes!!!
this is basically the aviation equivalent of give me your weight in kilograms but worst
@@wansichen3743 Boy, you don't get it, do you? the ATC doesn't know the burn rate of every specific plane. the ATC knew the 777 was low on fuel but needs to know how many minutes of flight time the engines have left, based on the throttle settings and load of the plane, that only the pilots would know. He asked for the minutes, because knowing the volume or weight of fuel onboard is meaningless.
what does 'heavy' mean after the flight number?
As far as I know, it means that the aircraft is large enough that other aircraft need to be careful to not stay too close it due to wake turbulence. Captain Joe has a great video on this.
Aircraft weighing greater than 136,000 Kg is considered 'heavy'
If with subtitles I still have trouble understanding this. I don't know how they understand each other.
Onypop they have a clearer signal than people tapping into the radio signal with their own gear, id assume.
Bitch please the captain was clear af
A Question: When a plane does a "go around"... do they have to need a good reason for it, or would it be ok if they just say "well, we just wanted or felt better to do so"? Because the ATCs are always asking for a reason, which sounds like "you'll better have a good one for wasting our time".
"Unstable approach" would work.
ATC is mostly looking to see if they need to correct anything on their side I think - e.g. maybe the aircraft saw some FOD and the next landing needs to be aborted while some trucks go to clear it, for example. If it's an unstable approach though then there's nothing ATC needs to do for the next landing aircraft.
In addition to the other replies. If the flight crew experienced some odd wind/weather conditions during the approach that caused them to be too fast, slow, high, low or even off course (unexpected wind direction change), the ATC certainly wants to know about that to warn others.
Yeah I think the ATC would also want to know about something that would affect other planes, such as windshear.
Technically no you don’t need a reason at all. A pilot, co-pilot, someone else in the cockpit, or tower can call go-around for any reason at all. At that point the go happens no questions asked by the pilot flying the plane. ATC can ask and in the moment technically you don’t even have to respond to why you went around. Yes it’s an idea to give them a reason if they ask but in the moment you technically don’t have to.
Kudos to the pilots they did a great job but I think this video is also a great example of the caliber of air traffic controllers we have in United States. These guys are just amazing and the finest controllers in the world.
If this is the finest u have , u are in big trouble
@@mviv6339 why
Sorry if this is a dumb question; I'm not a pilot. Why couldn't they do the RNAV(GPS) Y RWY 4R approach into JFK, LPV. Minimum 212/18. Don't they have WAAS GPS? Why were they talking about LNAV/VNAV?
Boeing airplanes are not equipped to utilize LPV minimums.
Interesting. Why not?
After reading a bit about LPV, LNAV/VNAV, LNAV+V and LNAV, I think that I need to do my homework. Question retracted.
I’m a bit dazzled. I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and ever since you started to include real maps, I’m getting more and more curious as to which purpose those lines serve? Not an expert on ATC, just an enthusiastic aviator 🙈
Matevz Kramar The lines you see are called video mapping. Some lines designate different sectors of control, some minimum vectoring altitude areas. Runways at airports. Fixes, or points that you can have the pilot report over.. Departure or arrival fixes where transfer of control is made. Extended runway centerlines, spaced 1 nm apart, used for SAR approaches. There is a lot more, but i will run out of room!
Supposedly these gents are ex air-force pilots, so I can only assume that their cool-under-pressure attitudes come from heavy training and situational work in their service.
That Air India crew were as cool as a cucumber, that's exactly pilots get paid well and they deserve every single penny of it...... they handled the situation absolutely brilliantly. That's an extremely dangerous situation for an aircraft to be in and they got everyone safely on the ground, well done fellas!!!
So from what I understand they couldn't do an ILS approach at JFK because the instruments failed.. and no VNAV because the weather minimum was not met.. so why no visual approach?
bc they simply couldn't see the runway, too many clouds too low
That must be scary
For those saying the pilot should not have dithered and landed immediately, that doesn't have to have been the case. They could have made a determination that they needed to first figure out all scenarios before a final decision. None of the airports were working for them due to the lack of instruments and low ceilings. So they were systematically working through the alternatives. Don't see much wrong on how they handled this.