Definitely the same dog, sorry to be the pompous ass but usually when having been shown a specific dog for other episodes, they’re not going to randomly cut to another dog that has nothing to do with the story. Just doesn’t make much sense.
@Gojeto346 THATS WHAT I TOLD HIM! It would be an insane thing to do to change the dog But he swears it looked different and didn't have the same blue eyes. - Dan
@@burgunbeerd I’ll be happily proven wrong when someone makes a video showing the two dogs side by side, but just going off cinematic language and such, I’d reckon it’s the same dog
I wish I had found you guys while it was airing. Fairest reviews on UA-cam. You don't pull your punches, you don't go too hard, you appreciate the good stuff, you've got a guy who knows the material, a guy who doesn't, you're covering all angles. I know Season 3 is a long way away, but I'll be subbed til then and check out your other stuff.
When Darkling approached Seasmoke, I said “There’s no way this guy is going to succeed. Dragons only accept hot people for some reason” And what does Seasmoke do? He leaves and goes and finds the hottest dude on the beach.
How the F★CK do you guys still on have 2k subs.... you have such amazing productions, so many different views & phenomenal audio quality. It's criminal that you guys don't get more attention. Have you guys tried making YT Shorts ?
We put together a few out of the videos but definitely need to push more into them. Unfortunately we have real jobs that take up most of our time haha. Also thanks for the very kind words!
@burgunbeerd I'm in no right to give you any direction 😂 but I think for EACH podcast you do - take like the funniest moment, the most controversial moment, & like maybe a theory of conspiracy of what you think might happen in future episodes - & make like 3 clips from every podcast. 🔥 I feel like that would be easy / manageable enough and still feed into the algorithm & spark comments. I WANT to see you guys grow 🙏🏻
this! it feels like we are all on the ground floor of something special. keep it up and there is zero chance you guys don't grow! I hope it comes quick!
I thought the kiss was out of nowhere too, because I couldn't see any chemistry the two characters had, but opon re-watching the scene, I think it's Rhaenyra's shaky attempt at what she believes to be masculine sexual behavior. *MINOR SPOILER FOR A FEAST FOR CROWS!!!!!* Cersei Lannister, in an effort to see what "being Robert" was like (ie: sexually "conquering" a woman), has angry (on her part) sex with a female courtier of hers. I don't know if she is bisexual or not (maybe she is?) but it was mostly about seeing what she thinks "being a man" is like in her society. The way Rhaenyra talks about Daemon flouting societal customs and doing what he likes, and the way she acts as a woman trying to do the same thing as him in her own ways, may be the motive behind the kiss. She wants to be "a man" sexually as well as as a ruler. Or maybe I'm being too charitable, and it's just a classic HBO Moment™ that the writers added because they have no idea what to do with her character. Who knows?!?!
Yeah, there's definitely times where I think something makes sense but I'm unsure, as you said, being charitable to the writers lol for instance, I thought they were making the audience frustrated with Rhaenyra's situation and in a sense, putting us in her shoes with the frustration and powerlessness she's feeling in not being able to move forward her way. I think they showcased the Blacks in season 1, now season 2 is about showcasing the Greens. I hope everything is more balanced in the future!
Great idea! It also kinda makes sense considering her story with Cole, I think. She was in the position of power that time and used Christon out of frustrution with Daemon. Here she's also acting to "be in charge". However, I thought she was not the one initiating the kiss. So maybe, on the other hand, it indicates this time she's not that careless and selfish. But that would be a bit more boring :) Anyways, hasn't finished the season yet, so maybe it's not where it's heading.
@@cordsman what's does that statement even mean there so many other great characters so how is your point relevant. And saying she doesn't do anything is 1 completely uncorrect she has made moves this season. And 2 a part of that is due to her own side and is actually part of the story.
Rhaenyra isn’t “doing nothing”. She’s acting. Just very poorly. She tried to get seasmoke a rider. She approved the food to Kings Landing. She reasserted her authority. She’s riding off to meet Seasmokes rider. She’s doing things. The problem is they’re not satisfying. This is a fault with the book. They’re attempting to weave her into something she’s not actually involved in yet. If it was the book version, she’d still be wailing over a miscarriage and Luke. That’s about all she’s referenced doing at this point. I think her being portrayed as a weak ineffective struggling leader is a good way to weave it in without changing too much. After all it’s an unreliable narrator so rather than saying she was a terrible leader she was doing “womanly” things. It makes sense.
this is something i agree with, and not something that people talk about enough. The show has had to fill in so many blank spaces in terms of “what is [insert character] doing at this time?”. it creates a slower feeling pace overall as the show works to catch every single character up with each event that happens, even though some of them don’t actually do anything in the source material for extended periods of time.
Another great video and awesome analysis! I think the main issue this season is facing is that at this point in the book Rhaenyra is essentially sitting around and doing nothing. You make reference to Rook's Rest and Rhaenys being ordered by Rhaenyra to go there in the book, but even that is only one account. In the two other accounts of the Rook's Rest, Rhaenys goes on her own volition because Rhaenyra is - once again - too grief struck to do anything in the story. That sort of inaction traps the writers of HotD in a bind. Rhaenyra in the source material is essentially doing nothing, so you have to come up with a better reason why she isn't being active other than her crying and grieving all season. Simultaenously, since they have to follow the book, they can't have Rhaenyra do anything too major that would have ripple effects that would mess up other parts of the story.
Remind me, stop watching reactions from book readers, stick to the rest of the non readers...... This show is exceptional in its own rights, way better than most other shows these days. Besides GRRM are reminiding us that the books are written by meisters that was not there. I'd read the books later and stay happy i did not ruin the joy of the TV show.
Im not slighting him for making the books all be written by different people/maesters. I like it. It makes continuity and plot differences easy to explain away, smart I say.
So, I'm a Black supporter, but even i thought S1 was slanted more towards them. I need to rewatch it after S2 ends. I think that the writers wanted to put R+D on the side on S2 to showcase the Greens more. I think the show could be more enjoyable if they showcased both sides equally without having to push one "team" to the side. I really enjoy Daemon's dreams. I can't wait for a super cut to just watch them all like a mini movie. But I also understand how people are frustrated with him being at Harrenhall like when people were frustrated with Daeny, i think it wa Myreen? And I'm not 100% sure if Rhaenyra's "stop mentioning daemon/i need to do something" is purposely putting us in her shoes about how powerless her council makes her (well, it's been like that her whole life, actually). So just like her, the audience understands her position, but we (as well as rhae) really want her to start doing something. Idk, maybe that's wishful thinking on my end/giving thw writer's credit for something that wasn't intentional lol I also think alys was controlling/communicating with Daemon telepathically. Maybe the last time they were physically in the same room was when she gave him the weirwood drink?
Compared to season 1 I'm not enjoying this 2nd season as much. 1st season is full on events, each episode something is happening, everything moves quick. Now in season 2 is a complete stalemate, it's been 6 episodes and it feels like almost nothing has happened in the story, the riverlords keep figting eachother while Daemon is in Harrenhal having hallucinations, Rhaenyra keeps sitting at Dragonstone doing nothing and so on. The only thing that happened was that dragon fight that made Aegon a crippled man, the Blood and Cheese and not much else...
I completely disagree with the general consensus that the kiss was out of nowhere. Rhaenyra and Alicent's relationship could very easily be interpreted as romantic when they were young, even if they didn't realise it themselves, and the actress who played young Alicent who is queer herself said she interpreted and played the character that way. Rhaenyra is not going to be an out and proud bisexual in the very homophobic Game of Thrones universe. Rhaenyra and Mysaria clearly had chemistry, and after feeling abandoned by Daemon, unsupported by her council, and grieving for her son, it makes complete sense that she would have a moment of weakness with the one person who shows affection. I've heard some people say that the writers shouldn't have made Mysaria get frisky with Rhaenyra immediately after disclosing sexual trauma and it's uncomfortable to watch. I'm inclined to agree, however we don't yet know Mysaria's intentions, so I'm waiting to see how it plays out.
@@Jonasdelrey I said that Alicent and Rhaenyra's relationship can very easily be interpreted as romantic. So it's not that much of a leap that Rhaenyra is attracted to women. Don't know how you got the impression I'm saying all women relationships are romantic.
@@phoebeel I’m not homophobic, I’m just sensitive to the way alternative lifestyles have been pushed down our throats by Hollywood. That said, my sensitivity could blind me to what actually happened in the show. I’m not afraid to be wrong.
I cannot stand Mysaria. She’s clearly the writers baby and can do no wrong, it doesn’t matter she shouldn’t be trusted, she’s a woman who believes in Rhaenyra so she can do no wrong. That kissing scene was the most forced thing ever, especially for her to start kissing her neck after she just explained she got that scar from being a sex slave to her father, and then having her stomach and neck cut open by him and left her to die. Yeah, really turns me on.
I think her and Laris are both the same. they want power. and they want to warp the rulers to them. It seemed more like emotional manipulation. The queen held the embrace for so long, I could imagine Mysaria thinking this was the right move in the moment. similar to Little foot, in that he took his shot asking to be hand. He failed. Mysarias' worked.
@@heavysetmedia1904 Rhaenyra was the one who initiated the kiss. Go back and watch the scene. If Mysaria had pulled away, Rhaenyra would now have to worry about her saying things and spreading rumors. Mysaria was forced into a position of intimacy by someone in power. This is the same as Aegon raping Dianna, except no kingsguard was there to interrupt that. Right after Mysaria talked about being a sex slave. No part of this scene works.
This episode and episode 3 are far and away the best 2 episodes of the season. The dialog and writing are so much better in those two episodes. It's almost like a different show depending on who wrote the episode, it's so noticeable. As far as the kiss goes, I can see a Rhaneyra Mysaria entanglement having an impact on the story so I'm ok with it. Which is what you can't say about the Alicent Cole BS that has no impact on the story and was just thrown in nonsense.
I totally agree, if the rhaenyra kissing scene is just a one time think it would make a ton of sense. Especially if misaria is trying to get closer and closer for the sake of power etc.
@@thomasprince6002It's make perfect sense narratively Character A doubt herself as ruler because everyone around her doesn't have faith she can lead by her own. Character A also feels isolated and also feels no one understands her and has no one to lean on. Character B has been a victim of people of high blood but thinks Character A is the exception to the rule and is a good leader. Character B thinks Character A can indeed lead by herself Character B say she will stand by Character A no what and Character B is the only person that has constantly stood by Character A. So is it really that surprising a romantic feelings would be form between those characters? If Character A was male and Character B was female or vice versa nobody would be complaining. So if you just don't like gay kissing just say so. Stop pretending the story didn't set things up because it did.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord yeah never mind the fact Rhaenyra shouldn’t trust Mysaria at all based on the fact she’s been selling her secrets since she was 16. Mysaria literally helped install Aegon as king. If this is to show Rhaenyra is retarded and too trusting then I’m all for it because her choices are stupid and illogical. All she has to do is not be a whore and she can’t stop.
Totally agree!! it does make perfect sense narratively and i have no issue with it being a same gender kiss. But it made sense for that moment as they were most vulnerable at that time. I just think it would be odd if the kiss immediately made them lovers but possibly overtime? I also wish they hinted more at rhaenyra and alicent possibly being somewhat romantic.
seeing the dragons as much as we have, has me eagerly awaiting the Agon conquest show! like come on! I want to watch harronhall burn! Do you guys think Alys the woodswitch will be there?? she is old enough I think to have been there.
The only thing that Rhaenyra/Mysaria scene accomplished was giving a certain sub-section of the Fandom fodder to complain about the "agenda" being forced down our throats. It really served no purpose narratively; in fact, more than that, it made no sense narratively. So we can skip Rhaena trying to claim a dragon, or cut the scenes of Baela & Rhaenys, but THIS is what made it to the final cut?? This, and the never-ending, meandering scenes of Damon in Harrenhal, are interesting inclusions to an already shortened season...
It's make perfect sense narratively Character A doubt herself as ruler because everyone around her doesn't have faith she can lead by her own. Character A also feels isolated and also feels no one understands her and has no one to lean on. Character B has been a victim of people of high blood but thinks Character A is the exception to the rule and is a good leader. Character B thinks Character A can indeed lead by herself Character B say she will stand by Character A no what and Character B is the only person that has constantly stood by Character A. So is it really that surprising a romantic feelings would be form between those characters? If Character A was male and Character B was female or vice versa nobody would be complaining. So if you just don't like gay kissing just say so. Stop pretending the story didn't set things up because it did.
@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord don't put your assumptions on me. This is 2024, if I hated gays kissing, I wouldn't be able to watch TV at all. How would you know what I would have a problem with it? This is why people don't take yall liberals seriously, because whenever someone disagrees with yall, yall result to calling them some kind of homophobe. The. Shit. Don't. Make. Sense, period. Just because 2 people admire each other, doesn't mean they have to have sex. That's lazy writing, at best. You have no defense for this shitty writing, so you resort to throwing around baseless nonsequitirs. Grow up 🙄
“Instead of doing something she made out with a woman” 🤣🤣🤣 I felt like that scene was so random and unnecessary where it could’ve been used to actually develop the characters instead of a random engagement with each other
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord because mysarias character is known for having a high guard up. for her to get intimate like that with an insane lack of development made no sense. this also didn’t happen in the book so i feel that screen time could’ve been used for something more productive or at least develop their relationship further first
@@zackery5678 It's make perfect sense narratively Character A doubt herself as ruler because everyone around her doesn't have faith she can lead by her own. Character A also feels isolated and also feels no one understands her and has no one to lean on. Character B has been a victim of people of high blood but thinks Character A is the exception to the rule and is a good leader. Character B thinks Character A can indeed lead by herself Character B say she will stand by Character A no what and Character B is the only person that has constantly stood by Character A. So is it really that surprising a romantic feelings would be form between those characters? If Character A was male and Character B was female or vice versa nobody would be complaining. So if you just don't like gay kissing just say so. Stop pretending the story didn't set things up because it did.
@@zackery5678 Mysaria's character is also known to use seduction to move further up the board and gain power, especially with power people, it was literally her job as she told us so it could be using Rhaenyra's vunerable state to make it so she comes first to her for advice, not too dissimilar to what Lary's Strong is trying to achieve with Aegon.
I was very lenient with this season concidering I liked the last one quite a lot but the last scene was it for me. Punched the table and cancelled MAX even though the episode was better then both the last one and episode 3.
I find this show rushed overall. There are some good moments, but they consistently fail to show you things and for such an important character, Corlys is impotent. For them to not kill Leanor and do nothing meaningful, like divulge to his parents he’s still alive only to now have to his dragon bond with another. The scene was cool, but, I hate that for his parents who, until this moment, still have a dubious allegiance with Rhaenyra. The acting saves the show. 2 years and this is what we have? Not knowing the character’s motivations is hard to stomach. What’s the point of changing Helaena and not having her featured more prominently where people are understanding the significance of her musings? The kiss, hopefully, doesn’t become more. It would have been just as effective in showing she’s found someone she can trust without it becoming romantic.
This season is just a bunch of people standing around talking about uninteresting sub plots… there is a civil war going on! Could have fooled me….. “ then stop watching” I cancelled HBO last night peace ✌️
WAS IT THE RATCATCHERS DOG AGAIN OR A DIFFERENT DOG?
Choose your side and settle our argument!
It's was definitely the same dog. Steven is WRONG!
#samedog
Definitely the same dog, sorry to be the pompous ass but usually when having been shown a specific dog for other episodes, they’re not going to randomly cut to another dog that has nothing to do with the story. Just doesn’t make much sense.
@Gojeto346 THATS WHAT I TOLD HIM!
It would be an insane thing to do to change the dog
But he swears it looked different and didn't have the same blue eyes.
- Dan
@@burgunbeerd I’ll be happily proven wrong when someone makes a video showing the two dogs side by side, but just going off cinematic language and such, I’d reckon it’s the same dog
I love the dude on the let's voice and take. This show deserves more views bro it is criminally under rated.
I wish I had found you guys while it was airing. Fairest reviews on UA-cam. You don't pull your punches, you don't go too hard, you appreciate the good stuff, you've got a guy who knows the material, a guy who doesn't, you're covering all angles. I know Season 3 is a long way away, but I'll be subbed til then and check out your other stuff.
When Darkling approached Seasmoke, I said “There’s no way this guy is going to succeed. Dragons only accept hot people for some reason”
And what does Seasmoke do?
He leaves and goes and finds the hottest dude on the beach.
In his final moments Lord Darklyn was VERY hot...
@@burgunbeerd*slow clap*
@@burgunbeerd I second the slow clap.
Black agenda
How the F★CK do you guys still on have 2k subs.... you have such amazing productions, so many different views & phenomenal audio quality. It's criminal that you guys don't get more attention. Have you guys tried making YT Shorts ?
We put together a few out of the videos but definitely need to push more into them. Unfortunately we have real jobs that take up most of our time haha.
Also thanks for the very kind words!
@burgunbeerd I'm in no right to give you any direction 😂 but I think for EACH podcast you do - take like the funniest moment, the most controversial moment, & like maybe a theory of conspiracy of what you think might happen in future episodes - & make like 3 clips from every podcast. 🔥 I feel like that would be easy / manageable enough and still feed into the algorithm & spark comments. I WANT to see you guys grow 🙏🏻
@@yylfordt6125 we will do our best!
this! it feels like we are all on the ground floor of something special. keep it up and there is zero chance you guys don't grow! I hope it comes quick!
The reason might be that they are not pleasing the general audience hy meatriding Rhaenyra
I thought the kiss was out of nowhere too, because I couldn't see any chemistry the two characters had, but opon re-watching the scene, I think it's Rhaenyra's shaky attempt at what she believes to be masculine sexual behavior.
*MINOR SPOILER FOR A FEAST FOR CROWS!!!!!*
Cersei Lannister, in an effort to see what "being Robert" was like (ie: sexually "conquering" a woman), has angry (on her part) sex with a female courtier of hers. I don't know if she is bisexual or not (maybe she is?) but it was mostly about seeing what she thinks "being a man" is like in her society. The way Rhaenyra talks about Daemon flouting societal customs and doing what he likes, and the way she acts as a woman trying to do the same thing as him in her own ways, may be the motive behind the kiss. She wants to be "a man" sexually as well as as a ruler.
Or maybe I'm being too charitable, and it's just a classic HBO Moment™ that the writers added because they have no idea what to do with her character. Who knows?!?!
Yeah, there's definitely times where I think something makes sense but I'm unsure, as you said, being charitable to the writers lol for instance, I thought they were making the audience frustrated with Rhaenyra's situation and in a sense, putting us in her shoes with the frustration and powerlessness she's feeling in not being able to move forward her way.
I think they showcased the Blacks in season 1, now season 2 is about showcasing the Greens. I hope everything is more balanced in the future!
Great idea! It also kinda makes sense considering her story with Cole, I think. She was in the position of power that time and used Christon out of frustrution with Daemon. Here she's also acting to "be in charge".
However, I thought she was not the one initiating the kiss. So maybe, on the other hand, it indicates this time she's not that careless and selfish. But that would be a bit more boring :)
Anyways, hasn't finished the season yet, so maybe it's not where it's heading.
Show Rhaenrya is just not an interesting enough character to carry this show.
Book rhaenyra basically does nothing
that's why the greens are better
@@digge2210 show rhaenrya does literally nothing. I’m like 370 pages into Fire and Blood so I haven’t really been introduced to her yet
@@cordsman what's does that statement even mean there so many other great characters so how is your point relevant.
And saying she doesn't do anything is 1 completely uncorrect she has made moves this season. And 2 a part of that is due to her own side and is actually part of the story.
@@JoshuaJohnson7334gthe side were the brother tried to kill their own kings lol?
Rhaenyra isn’t “doing nothing”. She’s acting. Just very poorly. She tried to get seasmoke a rider. She approved the food to Kings Landing. She reasserted her authority. She’s riding off to meet Seasmokes rider.
She’s doing things. The problem is they’re not satisfying. This is a fault with the book. They’re attempting to weave her into something she’s not actually involved in yet.
If it was the book version, she’d still be wailing over a miscarriage and Luke. That’s about all she’s referenced doing at this point.
I think her being portrayed as a weak ineffective struggling leader is a good way to weave it in without changing too much. After all it’s an unreliable narrator so rather than saying she was a terrible leader she was doing “womanly” things. It makes sense.
this is something i agree with, and not something that people talk about enough. The show has had to fill in so many blank spaces in terms of “what is [insert character] doing at this time?”. it creates a slower feeling pace overall as the show works to catch every single character up with each event that happens, even though some of them don’t actually do anything in the source material for extended periods of time.
Another great video and awesome analysis!
I think the main issue this season is facing is that at this point in the book Rhaenyra is essentially sitting around and doing nothing. You make reference to Rook's Rest and Rhaenys being ordered by Rhaenyra to go there in the book, but even that is only one account. In the two other accounts of the Rook's Rest, Rhaenys goes on her own volition because Rhaenyra is - once again - too grief struck to do anything in the story.
That sort of inaction traps the writers of HotD in a bind. Rhaenyra in the source material is essentially doing nothing, so you have to come up with a better reason why she isn't being active other than her crying and grieving all season. Simultaenously, since they have to follow the book, they can't have Rhaenyra do anything too major that would have ripple effects that would mess up other parts of the story.
Remind me, stop watching reactions from book readers, stick to the rest of the non readers...... This show is exceptional in its own rights, way better than most other shows these days. Besides GRRM are reminiding us that the books are written by meisters that was not there. I'd read the books later and stay happy i did not ruin the joy of the TV show.
Im not slighting him for making the books all be written by different people/maesters. I like it. It makes continuity and plot differences easy to explain away, smart I say.
So, I'm a Black supporter, but even i thought S1 was slanted more towards them. I need to rewatch it after S2 ends. I think that the writers wanted to put R+D on the side on S2 to showcase the Greens more. I think the show could be more enjoyable if they showcased both sides equally without having to push one "team" to the side.
I really enjoy Daemon's dreams. I can't wait for a super cut to just watch them all like a mini movie. But I also understand how people are frustrated with him being at Harrenhall like when people were frustrated with Daeny, i think it wa Myreen? And I'm not 100% sure if Rhaenyra's "stop mentioning daemon/i need to do something" is purposely putting us in her shoes about how powerless her council makes her (well, it's been like that her whole life, actually). So just like her, the audience understands her position, but we (as well as rhae) really want her to start doing something. Idk, maybe that's wishful thinking on my end/giving thw writer's credit for something that wasn't intentional lol
I also think alys was controlling/communicating with Daemon telepathically. Maybe the last time they were physically in the same room was when she gave him the weirwood drink?
Compared to season 1 I'm not enjoying this 2nd season as much. 1st season is full on events, each episode something is happening, everything moves quick. Now in season 2 is a complete stalemate, it's been 6 episodes and it feels like almost nothing has happened in the story, the riverlords keep figting eachother while Daemon is in Harrenhal having hallucinations, Rhaenyra keeps sitting at Dragonstone doing nothing and so on. The only thing that happened was that dragon fight that made Aegon a crippled man, the Blood and Cheese and not much else...
I completely disagree with the general consensus that the kiss was out of nowhere. Rhaenyra and Alicent's relationship could very easily be interpreted as romantic when they were young, even if they didn't realise it themselves, and the actress who played young Alicent who is queer herself said she interpreted and played the character that way. Rhaenyra is not going to be an out and proud bisexual in the very homophobic Game of Thrones universe. Rhaenyra and Mysaria clearly had chemistry, and after feeling abandoned by Daemon, unsupported by her council, and grieving for her son, it makes complete sense that she would have a moment of weakness with the one person who shows affection. I've heard some people say that the writers shouldn't have made Mysaria get frisky with Rhaenyra immediately after disclosing sexual trauma and it's uncomfortable to watch. I'm inclined to agree, however we don't yet know Mysaria's intentions, so I'm waiting to see how it plays out.
In a normal world, we’d know that the relationship between two women isn’t romantic. 😩
@@Jonasdelrey I said that Alicent and Rhaenyra's relationship can very easily be interpreted as romantic. So it's not that much of a leap that Rhaenyra is attracted to women. Don't know how you got the impression I'm saying all women relationships are romantic.
And it is in the book that Rhaenyra has bisexual relations, I dont know why they claim it is not.
Get out with your homophobia@@Jonasdelrey
@@phoebeel I’m not homophobic, I’m just sensitive to the way alternative lifestyles have been pushed down our throats by Hollywood. That said, my sensitivity could blind me to what actually happened in the show. I’m not afraid to be wrong.
I cannot stand Mysaria. She’s clearly the writers baby and can do no wrong, it doesn’t matter she shouldn’t be trusted, she’s a woman who believes in Rhaenyra so she can do no wrong. That kissing scene was the most forced thing ever, especially for her to start kissing her neck after she just explained she got that scar from being a sex slave to her father, and then having her stomach and neck cut open by him and left her to die. Yeah, really turns me on.
I think her and Laris are both the same. they want power. and they want to warp the rulers to them. It seemed more like emotional manipulation. The queen held the embrace for so long, I could imagine Mysaria thinking this was the right move in the moment. similar to Little foot, in that he took his shot asking to be hand. He failed. Mysarias' worked.
Agreed, the should have just left is as an ambiguous close female friendship, no necking necessary.
@@heavysetmedia1904lol little foot. 😂 very apropos
@@heavysetmedia1904 Rhaenyra was the one who initiated the kiss. Go back and watch the scene. If Mysaria had pulled away, Rhaenyra would now have to worry about her saying things and spreading rumors. Mysaria was forced into a position of intimacy by someone in power. This is the same as Aegon raping Dianna, except no kingsguard was there to interrupt that. Right after Mysaria talked about being a sex slave. No part of this scene works.
@@Gigipretty64that's because your a bigot nobody care about what you think.
This episode and episode 3 are far and away the best 2 episodes of the season. The dialog and writing are so much better in those two episodes. It's almost like a different show depending on who wrote the episode, it's so noticeable. As far as the kiss goes, I can see a Rhaneyra Mysaria entanglement having an impact on the story so I'm ok with it. Which is what you can't say about the Alicent Cole BS that has no impact on the story and was just thrown in nonsense.
I totally agree, if the rhaenyra kissing scene is just a one time think it would make a ton of sense. Especially if misaria is trying to get closer and closer for the sake of power etc.
If it continues it would be a little odd.
@@thomasprince6002It's make perfect sense narratively
Character A doubt herself as ruler because everyone around her doesn't have faith she can lead by her own. Character A also feels isolated and also feels no one understands her and has no one to lean on.
Character B has been a victim of people of high blood but thinks Character A is the exception to the rule and is a good leader. Character B thinks Character A can indeed lead by herself Character B say she will stand by Character A no what and Character B is the only person that has constantly stood by Character A.
So is it really that surprising a romantic feelings would be form between those characters? If Character A was male and Character B was female or vice versa nobody would be complaining. So if you just don't like gay kissing just say so. Stop pretending the story didn't set things up because it did.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord yeah never mind the fact Rhaenyra shouldn’t trust Mysaria at all based on the fact she’s been selling her secrets since she was 16. Mysaria literally helped install Aegon as king. If this is to show Rhaenyra is retarded and too trusting then I’m all for it because her choices are stupid and illogical. All she has to do is not be a whore and she can’t stop.
Totally agree!! it does make perfect sense narratively and i have no issue with it being a same gender kiss. But it made sense for that moment as they were most vulnerable at that time. I just think it would be odd if the kiss immediately made them lovers but possibly overtime? I also wish they hinted more at rhaenyra and alicent possibly being somewhat romantic.
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It is really lame that people are hating on it so much just because it’s a same gender kiss.
seeing the dragons as much as we have, has me eagerly awaiting the Agon conquest show! like come on! I want to watch harronhall burn! Do you guys think Alys the woodswitch will be there?? she is old enough I think to have been there.
The only thing that Rhaenyra/Mysaria scene accomplished was giving a certain sub-section of the Fandom fodder to complain about the "agenda" being forced down our throats. It really served no purpose narratively; in fact, more than that, it made no sense narratively. So we can skip Rhaena trying to claim a dragon, or cut the scenes of Baela & Rhaenys, but THIS is what made it to the final cut?? This, and the never-ending, meandering scenes of Damon in Harrenhal, are interesting inclusions to an already shortened season...
It's make perfect sense narratively
Character A doubt herself as ruler because everyone around her doesn't have faith she can lead by her own. Character A also feels isolated and also feels no one understands her and has no one to lean on.
Character B has been a victim of people of high blood but thinks Character A is the exception to the rule and is a good leader. Character B thinks Character A can indeed lead by herself Character B say she will stand by Character A no what and Character B is the only person that has constantly stood by Character A.
So is it really that surprising a romantic feelings would be form between those characters? If Character A was male and Character B was female or vice versa nobody would be complaining. So if you just don't like gay kissing just say so. Stop pretending the story didn't set things up because it did.
@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord don't put your assumptions on me. This is 2024, if I hated gays kissing, I wouldn't be able to watch TV at all. How would you know what I would have a problem with it? This is why people don't take yall liberals seriously, because whenever someone disagrees with yall, yall result to calling them some kind of homophobe. The. Shit. Don't. Make. Sense, period. Just because 2 people admire each other, doesn't mean they have to have sex. That's lazy writing, at best. You have no defense for this shitty writing, so you resort to throwing around baseless nonsequitirs. Grow up 🙄
“Instead of doing something she made out with a woman” 🤣🤣🤣 I felt like that scene was so random and unnecessary where it could’ve been used to actually develop the characters instead of a random engagement with each other
How was it random were you not paying attention?
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord because mysarias character is known for having a high guard up. for her to get intimate like that with an insane lack of development made no sense. this also didn’t happen in the book so i feel that screen time could’ve been used for something more productive or at least develop their relationship further first
@@zackery5678 It's make perfect sense narratively
Character A doubt herself as ruler because everyone around her doesn't have faith she can lead by her own. Character A also feels isolated and also feels no one understands her and has no one to lean on.
Character B has been a victim of people of high blood but thinks Character A is the exception to the rule and is a good leader. Character B thinks Character A can indeed lead by herself Character B say she will stand by Character A no what and Character B is the only person that has constantly stood by Character A.
So is it really that surprising a romantic feelings would be form between those characters? If Character A was male and Character B was female or vice versa nobody would be complaining. So if you just don't like gay kissing just say so. Stop pretending the story didn't set things up because it did.
@@zackery5678 Mysaria's character is also known to use seduction to move further up the board and gain power, especially with power people, it was literally her job as she told us so it could be using Rhaenyra's vunerable state to make it so she comes first to her for advice, not too dissimilar to what Lary's Strong is trying to achieve with Aegon.
00:19:25 Nice catch🤌
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Great video
I just realised it’s the guy from Benidorm
Shorter season, longer episodes. Probably cut down from 10 because of budget. I’m tired of people whining about this.
Ehh cool show. Needs more dragon's tbh
@@marko.m8 for a show called house of the dragon I haven't seen a single dragon in a house. 2/10
I was very lenient with this season concidering I liked the last one quite a lot but the last scene was it for me. Punched the table and cancelled MAX even though the episode was better then both the last one and episode 3.
Because of a kiss? What a loser
I personaly don't care what they do with Rhaenera, she's an uninteresting character.
I find this show rushed overall. There are some good moments, but they consistently fail to show you things and for such an important character, Corlys is impotent. For them to not kill Leanor and do nothing meaningful, like divulge to his parents he’s still alive only to now have to his dragon bond with another. The scene was cool, but, I hate that for his parents who, until this moment, still have a dubious allegiance with Rhaenyra. The acting saves the show. 2 years and this is what we have? Not knowing the character’s motivations is hard to stomach. What’s the point of changing Helaena and not having her featured more prominently where people are understanding the significance of her musings? The kiss, hopefully, doesn’t become more. It would have been just as effective in showing she’s found someone she can trust without it becoming romantic.
This season is just a bunch of people standing around talking about uninteresting sub plots… there is a civil war going on! Could have fooled me….. “ then stop watching” I cancelled HBO last night peace ✌️
How embarrassing.. :D
This show is BORING AF!! And episode 6 was the worst...a soap operah with castles and dark settings thats all this is
Low brain cell comment
Rheanrya needs to become a bit more badass. This is getting boring.