Pope Francis: Is He Really an Antipope? w/ Ralph Martin
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2022
- This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Ralph Martin. Watch the full livestream here: h • The State of the Churc...
In this clip, Matt references other popular Catholic podcasters who have recently called Pope Francis the "antipope" or "heretic" - but is he? Ralph offers his perspective.
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What is really sure and clear is that God want us to pray for the Pope, for all the members of His Church and for all the human beings in the world. If we do this we won´t be wrong.
The Pope needs our pray to God.
For Pope Benedict for sure..
Yes and Pope Francis. Let God do the judging in due course.
Praying for 60 plus years???
Wake up zombies.
Absolutely, do pray for him. What a burden he has.
And if he is not suited for the job.. By human eyes.. Even more so they burden. Ergo the need for even more prayer. Maybe that's why God chose him.. Too see how faithful the so called "faithful" are and how willing (humble) they are to trust his choice. Those getting caught up in the Cancel Culture might want to check their Pride.
I'm a Proud Catholic, but Pope Francis has said many strange things that caused more division than unifying.
👏Best comment ever!
That fact that he has said things that caused divisions has more to do with lack of understanding on behalf of those who fail to understand rather than what the Pope has said.
I have no problem understanding what the Pope has said and I can tell you that what the Pope has said is causing unification.
If you have any questions about what he said, just let me know
@@dennis1662 , I see what you are saying, but our Pope has to clarify what he says. There are countless times Pope Francis has said comments that are not theologically correct.
People like Coffin and Marshall are sowing division by misinterpreting the Pope's words and actions.
@@alexchristopher221 Maybe, but I'm only focusing on what the Holy Father is saying and doing.
If Bergoglio is not the true pope, we have a problem. If he IS the true pope, we have a BIGGER problem.
Why?
False prophets like Coffin and Marshall are a problem.
Merkel - because if one understands bergoglio’s teachings, they contradict all previous popes. Example- death penalty, homosexual priests, gay civil unions, women deacons/ priests, adultery, Mary as mediatrux, Luther as a heretic ( Francis says Luther was right), etc etc etc.
I have been considering this Pope for a very long time. He is the most unusual choice of Popes for a few reasons:
1. He is from South America-a Southern Hemisphere Pope is very rare. Also, he took the name of Francis-another first. Does he like making headlines and shocking people with all these ‘firsts’?
I don’t think so. People like making hay out of a couple of unique features of a new Pope.
2. He is a Jesuit-something Jesuits do not generally seek (positions of church hierarchy) Although most of the Jesuits I’ve known would RELISH the job. (None of them were Cardinals)
3. He delivers most of his public messages in a language other than English and so what he says to the English speaking world is always translated by someone else. So what we hear that Pope Francis “said” is generally what a translating interpreter says he said. Are all interpretations and translations accurate? Are some intentionally misinterpreted or mistranslated-for nefarious purposes in order to mislead the English Speaking public? Sometimes, but not always.
Check the sources.
Speaking of English, is it not the English speaking world that has largely abandoned Catholicism for other sects or even secularism? Maybe those who appreciate Pope Francis the most are the people who hear him speak their language most often. But if that were true he’d have to speak several African languages for isn’t that where the most growth of the Catholic Church is happening? Catholics in African countries have shown much love for Pope Francis.
Considering those three things it strikes me as odd that more liberal /atheistic world fawned over him in the very beginning because he “was so unlike his predecessors”. For example, for simply choosing not to reside in the papal chambers (where solitude is the norm), he chose instead a “modest” apartment elsewhere on the Vatican grounds wherein there are more people around him. Less secure perhaps, but more people around. It was seen as a more humble stand, not wanting the grandeur of the “palace” so to speak, according to some media interpretations of the obvious break with Papal tradition. So was he doing this to lead others to believe he is a “better” man, a more humble man, a man less given to pomp and ceremony than his two predecessors as was suggested at the time? I don think so as he had enough to deal with right after his election. . But this was the stance of more liberal media outlets. Family members and friends also made comments about it to me, to which I replied that he just realized the papal apartments were not to his liking and , as is his prerogative, chose other accommodations.
An important thing to keep in mind when considering the impact of any Pope:
People will agree with or disagree with the Pope if they believe he is saying what they want to hear, he is doing what they want him to do, and then criticize him if he is not!
It is in this point we all just be very careful. Granted, there are traditional things the Pope must attend to in certain pre-ordained ways, owing to a Papal protocol. Bearing that in mind, we must watch, listen and pray for what the pope is saying what he is doing and how he is leading us all closer to Christ.
Are we truly hearing?
Are we inspired by what he is really doing?
Is the media doing their best to show us the truth about Pope Francis-or are we falling victim to jealous or prideful cynics or supporters with an “agenda?”.
It is the Holy Spirit that inspires the Cardinals who vote for Pope. The more holy, devout and humble the Cardinals, the more the Holy Spirit will inspire their selection.
Indeed the Holy Spirit can allow a “bad” pope to get elected too! It is the Spirit’s way of telling us: “you want this guy?! You really want THIS GUY?
Well ok! You get the Pope you deserve then! Don’t say I didn’t warn you!”
Cece Meyers- good post. There is no guarantee that the Cardinal electors will
seek the Holy Spirit for guidance. Jp2 knew this and wrote an apostolic constitution guiding the election of his successor. It comes with automatic excommunication for colluders. That seems to have happened in 2013 as the colluders have admitted it ( mccarick, Daneels , Murphy-O’Connor, Marx).
I like both Patrick Coffin and Dr. Marshall and I dislike Pope Francis. That said, I don't think Pope Francis is an anti-pope, I just think he's not a very good pope....
Same, but if there was an anti-pope there would be a Pope that the Church recognized even though the world recognized the anti-pope.
@@loganw1232 Benedict is who they posit.
@@loganw1232 I don't hold this position, but there can be an anti Pope but in reality nobody is Pope (sedevacante). An anti Pope is just a guy who people think is Pope, but isn't. It does not necessitate that there is a sitting Pope
@@rickygcfo Pope Benedict is still the Pope as he never rightfully resigned.
Exactly!
The problem with Brian Holdsworth's wager is that it basically assumes that
the actions and teachings of a Pope have no impact or value on anything or anyone. It does not account for the impact the heretical teachings of Francis has on peoples lives both naturally and supernaturally. If Catholics are going to believe in natural law and both natural and supernatural consequences for sin, the wager proposed by Brian is inadequate. Pope Francis routinely teaches things both officially and unofficially that Catholic teaching indicates will get you sent to hell. Furthermore, Francis' teachings on things like contraception and divorce and remarriage can have great negative impacts on families. Either we believe sin has negative impacts or not. And if we do believe sin has both natural and supernatural destructive consequences on people's lives we must forcefully reject the teachings of "pope" Francis.
Not to mention, how are you supposed to teach kids that the Church is true and timeless and that the Pope has "infallibility" under some circumstances (and in general is supposed to be listened to), while simultaneously telling them not to pay too much attention to the teachings of Pope Francis that are heretical? If you listen to Francis, apostates are part of the communion of saints, hell doesn't exit, divorce and remarriage is fine, idolotry is fine, all religions are willed by God, Martin Luther is worth of emulation, contraception is ok under some circumstances, the list goes on and one. There is a serious problem here.
This is a very good point. In either case you have grave implications. What it shows is that bishops have been too complacent to avoid correcting errors, because there have been many. The silence has been disconcerting. On the upside, the recent letter signed by many good bishops, critical of the German synod, is a step in the right direction
@@rickygcfo I agree the new letter is hopeful.
The days when we expect herioc virtues from bishops or cardinals is upon us. The winnowing has begun. I would be so convicted by Peter's denial and Judas' betrayal and how close Peter was to Judas' fate and vice versa.
My thoughts exactly! I dont think it’s at all fair to Taylor Marshal or Patrick Coffin to discuss this without them.
If you are looking for Truth and willing to address the elephant in the room then you most likely agreed with Taylor and Patrick long before they had the courage to bring the subject up on their podcasts. I didn’t hear either one call Pope Francis a Heretic but they did say some of his teachings are heresy and they are! The damage done to the Faithful is listening to traditional Catholic leaders undermine each other on these talk shows. You can try to justify this but the Bible says “If you have a problem with your brother, go to him”. I simply don’t understand why you would do this😢
These professional Catholics find it hard to admit that the pope has preached heresy openly.Its the pink elephant in the room.If stating that all baptized Catholics including those who have renounced their faith are going to heaven isn’t heresy than I don’t know what is.
He brought Pachamama into a Holy Church and made a procession around this false idol. Honestly, how can anyone not think he is not an antipope after that? People must be totally blind or in denial if they can't see that this is not what a pope would do.
100%
The statue is not an idol and Pope Francis blessed it - so she's entirely Catholic now. But if you think Pope Francis is the antipope, then why are you still Catholic? You should join the Eastern Orthodox - they don't recognize him as pope either. Plus, that way you won't have to tolerate the cultural diversity that comes from indigenous people expressing their faith through their native art.
It’s always you Bella with the same comments
@@dwightschrute900 Maybe that's because I'm always responding to same bullshit. But it is nice to see I'm making an impression. 👍
@@fernandez3841 LOL! You're fine with calumny against faithful Catholics from the Amazon, but get triggered by strong language. That's so messed up.
Matt, love you, but respectfully, you're not being fair to Patrick or Taylor. They both say outright that they are NOT accusing the Pope and they don't have the authority to do that. They are right to point out what the Church teaches and compare it to what Francis teaches. To do otherwise would be to obfuscate the truth of the situation and hide behind false obedience. I think a long form discussion with either of them would be awesome. You are really great at playing devil's advocate and really forcing people to defend their positions. If you'll have Dave Rubin on, I don't think you have any grounds to not have these actual Catholics on.
Thank you!
Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy in public, did he need anyone's authority to do so?
We all have it to call our the current pope if he steps out of line, we're not his slaves...
@@el_killorcure Peter knew Jesus,Paul not much so.....Francis the way he treat Carmelite sisters, hiding cross in Malta....
@@dorasnop7771 Paul knew the resurrected Jesus, he taught him the gospel directly, remember that.
@@el_killorcure I know but He told Peter that he will be the rock of the church.Peter knew resurrected Lord as well...hm
Matt, have you attempted to host a dialogue with any of the Pope's detractors? I find it that we are too often willing to dialogue with people who absolutely are opposed to our Faith, but rarely the dissenting voices within it.
This is so well said. St. Cajetan taught that suspicion toward a pope is not sinful, if the person does not reject the concept of the papacy outright. There are too many ecclesial statements made by Benedict (and prior as Ratzinger) to not at least let Mazza, Coffin, others discuss on this platform la Nouvelle Théologie ecclesiology and BXVI’s exact words, yes in context, about papal primacy, passive and active expressions, the personal profession of faith as rock, what he himself did and did not resign (look not just at his declaratio but also his LAST GENERAL AUDIENCE, etc.) Then to examine the legitimate topics from Bellarmine on heretical teachings from bishops, Vatican I on “Romanitas” (still unsettled) and the history of papal resignations as well as antipopes. Only then can we legitimately discuss whether these hypotheses have any merit or fruits. Either way, it is truly precedented that there are two men in white with “the impression that it was the Holy Father,” all while the world (and Rome) go under.
Why should he give a platform to schismatics & sedevacantists? That would be like interviewing Martin Luther about his 95 theses.
@@bellasbane Because neither of these men fall into those categories? And because he's interviewed other non-Catholic people like Dave Rubin?
@@bellasbane sorry, but not a wise comment. God bless
@@jamessalerno4234 "If it quacks like a duck ..." They are definitely schismatics and no different than the 16th century Reformers - and just as damaging. Never forget Martin Luther began his career as an Augustinian monk who was scandalized by by the excesses of Rome.
The very fact that people are debating as to whether Francis is or is not an Anti-Pope just shows you how dire his Papacy has become whether it is an anti-papacy or not.
No- just shows you how easily the devil dupes gullible people (such as yourself)into calumny and slander.
Exactly
You know there are always people who say the current Pope is the anti-pope
@@sikobaya9298 but not without good measure in this case. His actions as the Supreme Pontiff are doing nothing to add to the Church but are only serving to take away from it by undermining the gospel and his actions against the traditionalist orders are nothing short of vile and reprehensible. I do not know whether he is or whether he is not the anti-Pope, that is for the historians, all that I can say is that he is certainly acting like one.
Sikobaya - in my lifetime, everyone I know has accepted the pope in office. The exception is this papacy because he seems to oppose ALL previous popes with his novel teachings. Every pope upon assuming his office is to vow to NEVER change church teachings. This is not happening with bergoglio. He even has a statue of Martin Luther in the Vatican!!! What the heck….
Thanks.. That was very calming for those of us who forget that God is in charge!
Maybe GOD is waiting for someone to say ENOUGH to Pope France, the satanist lizard clone man.
And what of our free will? We all make the choice to do good or do evil.
@@MsJNix Some like to pretend evil doesn't exist...
The error that some (well-meaning) Catholics make is to fall for a theory that simplifies the problems they see in the Church. Ultimately, the answer to the current condition in the Church is the Cross. We are tempted (like ALL of the Apostles, save John) to run away from the Cross, to run away from the pain and suffering that we experience. No, Pope Francis is the Pope. The Church is at the Cross. We can choose to be like John, who stayed by Christ's side or we can run away. Let us stay with Christ and His Church all the way to the bitter end. Then, there's Easter. Rejoice!
I would say that the Church is ON the cross, not standing at its foot like John. And Francis is the jeering Roman soldiery looking on.
Manifest (and Occult) Heretics cannot hold the Papal office.
@@doverbeachcomber Much worse, he is Jorge ben Caiaphas, the apostate High Priest who sent our Lord to the Cross.
Benedict is the true Pope!
We've had bad popes before. We survived them and we'll survive any that come. Francis is impetuous, sometimes annoying, and sometimes wrong. (And we have to remember that, given how anti-religious the media can be, we may not always being given the full story in context.) He's still Pope. And like all before him, one day he'll be gone and there will be another pope. And the Church will go on.
Yes we've had bad popes but none that I'm aware has shown disregard for the Ten Commandments and allowed worship of other idols on the alter. And what about venerating Martin Luther? The one man that launched the greatest Schism of ALL history that has continued to divide the church even as we ponder the latest attacks. If we continue to sugarcoat what "Pope" Francis is doing we are complicit. Catholics need to crack open the letters that Paul writes to the Galatians, Corinthians, and so on, then tell me this is NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS for the lives of our souls! EVERY DETAIL MATTERS!
@@jeffreyhillmeyer3391 Amen, well put!
But when a bad pope is allowed to continue, year after year, in error and/or vice, souls are being lost-or at least placed in grave jeopardy. That is intolerable.
@@doverbeachcomber agree 💯
@@joseantoniocuadriello1545 that’s a misunderstanding of his personhood and the office of the Papacy. He is still human and a sinner thus prone to error. There are only 2 humans that cannot sin. Mary and Jesus. Mary because she is “full of grace” by design by God. And Jesus of course because he is also a divine person. Everyone else is a sinner and will make errors.
It's rather heartbreaking to live in a time where saying "the Pope is probably not an antipope" is a pretty charitable take on his papacy.
I genuinely have a hard time thinking of things Pope Francis has done which have been uncontroversially good for the faithful. Yet the examples of things he has done which are controversial at best, and hostile to the faithful at worst, is growing.
The best thing Pope Francis has done was the Consecration of humanity, Russia & Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Otherwise, I'm with you - it's difficult not to think of the long list of horrible, troubling, scandalous & even some likely heretical things that he's done, said, allowed, or written.
Jk I
Like saying Jesus the Messiah was "just a man"? He is a disgusting Heretic who has ruined the Catholic Church
Wish you would have discussed the heresy part more rather than the idea of Benedict being pope still.
When Henry IV of France sought the revocation of excommunication after renouncing Calvinism, Pope Clement VIII refused to budge. Philip Neri, who personally renounced involvement in politics, was troubled that this would lead to a heretical relapse and a resurgence of the civil war in France. He approached Ceasar Baronius, a member of his Oratory and the pope's confessor, and persuaded him to refuse Clement absolution and resign the office of confessor unless the latter relented. The pope capitulated!
Yes, St Philip Neri was capable of such cunning and device. Yet, no catholic would deny his christian joyfulness, or his simplicity, or his great love of the truth, his renouncing of all things worldly and his love for the poor. It was thought two of his ribs were broken from an enlarged heart brimming with compassion for penitents.
Neri would make the acquaintance of another great saint in 1544. Of starkly different opposing characters and temperaments, it would be presumptious to call them friends. Yet in the company of heaven, both are brothers in an unbreakable familial bond. No wonder then that the Jesuits courted Neri to join their ranks.
This leads us to wonder what Thomas Merton defines as the 'eternal conflict' in christianity. That both men, from a single source, yet given to the interior liberty within, willingly take on seemingly contradictory positions to exist as the other. As Merton quotes St Paul, "We have to be pure minded, forgiving and gracious to others; we have to rely on the Holy Spirit, on the truth of our message, on the power of God. To the right and left, we must be armed with innocence, now honoured, now slighted, now tradduced, now flattered. They call us deceivers and we tell the truth; unknown and we are freely acknowledged; dying men, and see we live; punished, yes, but not doomed to die; sad men that rejoice continually; beggars that bring riches to many; disinherited and the world is ours."
May God save Pope Francis from error and give him clarity!
Amazing comment. What a gem to find on a random comment under a random video of UA-cam!!! I would like to learn more about this eternal conflict, could you share a source?
@@lovetree734 the idea is proffered to the reader in Merton's Contemplative Prayer. He draws on the 'two fold consciousness of sin and redemption, wrath and mercy', that shapes the prayer life and remarked,
"Dostoevski, in The Brothers Karamazov, shows us what Rozanov has called an 'eternal conflict' in monasticism - and doubtless in christianity itself. The conflict between the rigid, authoritarian, self-righteous, ascetic Therapont, who delivers himself from the world by sheer effort, and then feels qualified to call down curses upon it; and the Staretz, Zossima, the kind, compassionate man of prayer who identifies with the sinful and suffering world in order to call down God's blessings upon it." (p 22)
While partial to the Zossima type, Merton does not discount the Therapont type.
P.S. I have to admit however that it is my own attempt to canvass an idea on the prayer life and expand its relevance to the issues we face.
@@wenshan9101 this is really profound, thank you so much. I've been struggling so much with this idea and I've never found anyone put it into words in this way. It's especially difficult because there is no real solution to this tension. I might read Merton's book now. I really appreciate your insights. If per chance you know anything else about this subject I'd be happy to hear it. Thanks again ♡♡
Yes but you need to read what Paul states completely in his letters. Read Galatians, Corinthians, Colossians, and so on...Paul would never stand or allow the worship of other idols nor disregard for the 10 Commandments. Remember the Word of God is not editable unless of course you're Martin Luther. I am appalled that Catholics want to somehow justify the actions of Bergolillo. It truly sickens me and yes I pray for Pope Francis but he has done more to damage our faith than any pope in our time.
@@wenshan9101 Reminds me of the Easter Vigil liturgy : O necessary sin of Adam, line.
Come on guys it's the triduum. Let's not have one of these discussions during the holiest days of the year. Peace to all men of goodwill.
I'm not Catholic. I am a pro-Catholic protestant. I love Catholics and hope and pray that God makes us truly one body. I have to say that Pope Francis confuses me. The entire Pachamama thing really is the biggest thing. I do not understand it. Many blessings to all as we celebrate our Lord's resurrection.
What confuses you? I don't understand.
I'm a former Catholic who understands Latin, but not half of what goes on these days. Please help me to understand.
This is not a snark.
If you pray for one body as Christ intended, what do you think that one body will be? Jesus founded the Catholic Church. There is no other place to be.
@@kathleenferguson3296 No such thing as a former Catholic, you mean you are lapsed.
I know so many people who are no longer practicing Catholics due to Bergoglio and many bishops.
God bless you Dianna. Amen to your prayer for unity. Yes "Pope" Francis confuses many of us as he deviates from traditional Catholic teaching at times. The Pachamama worship is absolutely beyond belief but is sadly true. It fits in with Scripture, doesn't it? "The abomination of desolation"! I believe Benedict XVI to be the true Pope - forced to resign against his will. If only he were free to speak but I'm sure he is heavily guarded and probably misquoted or his words manipulated when he does say anything. I would highly recommend reading Dr Taylor Marshall's revealing book "Infiltration".
We should pray for the Holy Father as our Blessed Mother has requested us too do .
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It is great to hear two level-headed Catholics discuss this situation. I came here right after a totally different video from another camp. Lord have mercy! This is where the peace is. Thanks for posting.
What is level-headed about lying? Martin claims there is no evidence of rigged conclave. The St. Gallen Mafia openly admits to rigging the conclave.
@@edwardbaker1331 You have no real reason to accuse Dr. Martin of "lying" just because he is weighing the Gallen Mafia information differently than you are. It is not like he is hiding it or denying it. Maybe instead of judging and labeling him, you could go watch some Marshall Taylor videos or spew your negativity elsewhere., or say a prayer and go to Confession. You could also better spend your time perusing a dictionary for the meaning and usage of the term "level-headed," which would still describe this conversation style even if one of them was a heretic. Best wishes for your improvement in the new year. Ralph rocks.
@@GoogleUser-wx8mw He most certainly is denying the blatant nefarious activities of the Gallen Mafia when he says there is "no evidence" of a pre-conclave plan to campaign for a particular candidate. Objective reality is not a matter of "interpretation." Maybe you need that dictionary. He knows full well of the repeated puble admissions, in fact, the boastful televised public admissions of figures like Cdls Daneels and Kasper that they did precisely that.
How hypocritical of you to judge me of judging. I never judged a soul in my entire life, which is the only type of judging not permitted. Judging behavior is something that everyone does all the time, just as you did. Rationality requires it. But only fools think they can be selective about when to invoke judgements about judgement without a sense of irony. Ralph Martin is acting dishonorably. His behavior might be mitigated into sinlessness, but I doubt it. The evidence that he's knowingly lying is overwhelming. Even numerous prelates around the world have cast doubt upon the legitimacy of the papal election with the perspective gained by the admissions of the ultra corrupt, not to mention depraved, Gallen group. Did I mention they're all pro-aborts. And only a fool would take Francis, the moral relativist and process theologian and denier of immutable truth seriously when he claims to oppose abortion yet invites all the world's most notorious abotionists to lecture the Vatican on "new ways" to think about sexual morality.
I don’t think Patrick Coffin should be publicly teaching the idea, but I don’t think he’s wrong either. I find the evidence extremely compelling and although I LOVE Ralph Martin his response feels lacking
At a time when the Church needs clarity and Christ centered leadership, Francis has delivered confusion and questionable leadership that may not lead some to repentance in Christ.
I have always held you both in high regard as sincere Catholics earnestly trying to live a holy life and learn and share the faith, as I do Patrick Coffin and Taylor Marshall.
I think having a disagreement among laypeople is both to be expected and healthy part of the Church God designed.
But I am taken back at the carelessness in both tone of response as well as describing questions he and every other layperson have every right and obligation to ask and debate.
First of all, this is NOT a typical papal situation. How should Patrick and Taylor be held to same scrutiny as our Pope for having fair and understandable questions about an atypical and confusing selection process. The Pope should address directly and publicly and the fact he doesn’t jars me. Pope John Paul sat down with his assassin and our Pope pretends they don’t exist or makes public comments condemning motivations of people like them. Just not Christian.
In no way should Pope be under less scrutiny than a layperson. It is not dangerous for a layperson to ask questions and engage people in debate laying out his current perception. He is just a layperson. But it is dangerous for a Pope to treat questions of lay people as an act of rebellion while he also fails to engage/address his critics on any matter I have seen raised (some very grave in nature). This Pope makes blanket statements criticizing Catholics whom he disagrees with yet sincere laypeople asking specific questions backed up by what they believe to be compelling information are being called out as dangerous? I think the incongruent accusation that lay people’s public questions should be labeled as dangerous while the current Pope’s behaviors lobbing accusations without evidence yet carrying much more influence and gravity is confusing to me because it’s coming from you both.
Second, the gravity and volume of Papal decisions deserve the scrutiny and none among us should decline to submit to scrutiny in any of our stations in life.
What happened with McC@rrick in China at decisions of Francis (whom McC@rrick actively and publicly championed) on it’s own is enough to invite natural and healthy scrutiny upon the Vatican...I see Marshall and Coffin approaching questions with much greater care that they are receiving in return.
Never in my lifetime have I seen a Pope disregard or disengage from questions ... they are natural and should invite us into greater dialogue rather than set aside and treated as if they
You both mentioned not watching them but you should watch them both because neither of you are being fair in tone or on a position to comment on something publicly if you haven’t. I think we risk bearing false witness if we speak on what we have not observed with our own eyes.
Guys invite them on rather than distance yourself further out of protection. Your behavior is either sanctifying yourself and the Church or dividing. But it’s the Pope who will answer for misleading or failing his flock. And people trying to be holy deserve every bit as much mercy and caution with their reputations and questions and broken people who don’t even know they are lost.
These are such confusing times to watch the way brothers are treating brothers.
Very well put!
So brilliantly stated. Thank you for your charitable and clear articulation and criticism of this poorly executed episode. I am still astonished at the sanctimonious disregard for well educated, well intentioned, orthodox thinkers (and PhD’s) like Mazza, Marshall and Coffin.
Amen
Amen. It's almost juvenile at best and criminally negligent as a Catholic 'journalist' to
NOT see the writing on the wall. We live in very rarefied times.
We love The Church, defend The Church and wont leave The Church.
Why are so many professional Catholics afraid to defend the Church and at the same time criticize the actions of Pope Francis, many parts of The Church since Vatican II.
Of course, it's a paradox but we are witnessing and living through a period in Church history that is all part of God's permissive Will. The seers and prophets and Sacred Scripture tell of this period in the life of Christ's Church. Fast and pray the daily Rosary.
Back in the 1970s, we were blessed with a priest who survived the persecution of the Nazis and then the Soviets. His advice is as good as gold today as then,
"LIVE IN YOUR FAITH AND DIE IN YOUR FAITH"
Thank you Father Bartholomew
I was confirmed a Catholic this morning (Pentecost Sunday). St. Francis is one of the many reasons I considered conversion. After almost 49 years as a Protestant, I am not longer protesting. From the beginning, I was impressed with his love for the poor (which I consider to be God's first concern per Luke 4:16-20 and Isaiah 58:1-14 among many other passages), as well as his willingness to reach out to Protestants in a humble way, begging for the unity of all believers. If he suggests that everyone can or might go to heaven, well...this is God's manifest will (2 Peter 3:8-9) that we pray for in the Our Father & the Fatima prayer every day. It's what we work for. Jesus said that all things are possible with God, so who are we to say that God won't have His will accomplished, on earth as in heaven? Based on what I've learned from RCIA classes, this channel, and Trent Horn's channel, there must be a council to declare that Francis is a "heretic" or an "anti-pope". The Church is not a democracy. If anyone doesn't like what the Pope is saying, maybe they should consider that they might be in the wrong, not the Pope. Pope Francis won't be with us much longer as it is...pray for the Cardinals to elect the right Pope when the time comes. But keep in mind, if you don't like the next Pope either...that's the one you prayed for.
Stop melting my frozen, bitter heart! Congratulations on your confirmation. It sounds like Catholicism is going to be enriched by your involvement. Thank you. You bring up an important point---that even if many of us old-schoolers are less than happy with some of Francis' decisions, it is nevertheless possible that God might be a little bit smarter than us, and chose Francis for his virtues, rather than his shortcomings. Anyone who can inspire such a serious Christian as yourself to join the church may in fact be repairing something in today's Catholicism that we didn't realize was broken, and, in true dialogical fashion, it will be up to the next Pope to repair what Francis couldn't.
Francis still hasn't answered Cardinal Burke's Dubia and spoke flippantly about him on his near deathbed from the virus. Francis also confuses God's active and passive will about the plurality of religions vs the plurality of human characteristics. You two both haven't addressed the real issues
Correct. And your observations of what absolutely terrible things this pope has done and said is just scratching the surface. I will not follow this pope. I pray for his conversion.
Taylor Marshall and Patrick Coffin have both earned a right to have a strong opinion on this matter. Both are highly qualified and speak thoughtfully if not boldly.
Rather than talk about them, talk to them. Invite them on Matt.
Love the show by the way… but I love their shows too.
In so many ways it seems like you are barking up the same tree (traditional, authentic, joyfully Catholic). Marshall has a PhD in the study of Acquinas. Maybe you two rubbed wrong initially, but you have a lot in common, especially a love of Acquinas. Coffin is, as Ralph Martin said, robustly capable at defending the faith.
Talk to them (and let us watch)!
Perfect response. Thank you!
TM and PC make such “routine” ridiculous claims- it’s difficult to take them seriously on any level.
I won’t list them because there isn’t enough cloud storage to hold them all (or time investment on my part).
They both are in need of serious prayer (as we all are).
@@G-MIP Sadly, TM’s ego is getting the better of him.
those guys have literally made a business out of sensationalizing and criticizing the pope. Here is a video that shows how UA-cam "Catholic celebrities" have distorted pope Francis: ua-cam.com/video/uKUdy0xRjxI/v-deo.html
He’s not an antipope he’s just not a good pope
I agree.
True.
I agree.
@@lawdogwales5921 Like what?
@@ValsVersion Such as?
Why not listen to what the saintly pope Pius Xth has to say?....." The PRIMARY duty of Charity Does not lie in the Toleration of FALSE Ideas". Also, he said....."Whilst Jesus was kind to SINNERS and those who WENT ASTRAY, He did not respect their FALSE Ideas, however SINCERE they might have Appeared. He loved them all, but He INSTRUCTED them in order to CONVERT them and SAVE them".
Place these words and actions of pope Francis alongside pope Pius Xth and what does one see? It's good to defend the papacy, we all must. When Jesus said these words - Get thee behind Me, Satan. Who was He addressing - St Peter or Satan whom Jesus SAW acting through St Peter? Jesus had just installed St Peter as the Head of The Church. There is a huge gap between the POST of Pope and the INCUMBENT who is positioned on the Chair of St Peter. What is the PRIMARY ROLE of the Incumbent - TO receive the Deposit of Faith, GUARD it zealously, and HAND IT OVER WITHOUT Stain or Corruption. God will protect His Church and the Papacy. But, we must be alert to Satan"s activities in the Church to DESTROY The Church and Souls. Where are the Watchmen? Is nobody on watch duty? It is not for nothing that mention is made in Scripture about widespread apostasy in the Church, and Cathechism of the Catholic Church and the Message of OUR LADY of Good Success, Akita, La Salette and Fatima. Are we walking about with BLINKERS covering our eyes and a BIT in our mouth? God help and protect us all. Maranatha.
A very balanced and sincere reply.
Extremely well said and accurate!
Thank you - thank you - Thank you and God Bless you!
is there any chance you could get coffin on the show? he was one of my favorite commentators on the faith but this recent discussion has certainly begun to concern me especially for his wellbeing and others. idk id love to see a discussion on this
7:30 The gravity given to both sides in the Brian Holdsworth wager is skewed.
To say that "and God is not going to hold you accountable on judgement day if you accept pope Francis as the pope" waters down the obligation of the laity to 'know the voice of the shepherd'. We will be held accountable not just for our actions but also for our inaction in not speaking out against scandal (appropriate to our state in life).
Also, you can't say that questioning the legitimacy of a pope is a grave scandal and then pretend that teaching tenants of ecumenism, modernism, and paganism at the highest levels of the Church are somehow not.
If I understand what you are saying (granted I did not listen to this interview because I am sick of hearing about Francis) I agree. I find Francis's waffling on topics extremely disturbing. It has been over 20 years since the gravity of the sex scandal has been exposed and yet Francis and the Cardinals have never truthfully addressed it or attempted to remedy the root causes but rather have continued to just put out fires, Francis has essentially declared war on the Latin mass which is the one thing that unified the church for centuries and basically has said traditional Catholics are not welcome unless they accept the NO mass and what appears to be new church teachings, he has thrown the true Catholics in China under the bus. I could go on. I am sick of settling for crumbs from this pope (and getting mixed messages and SJW jargon) as we are entering the most dangerous time in my lifetime (69) and therefore are in urgent need of clarity. I believe in the Catholic church, I continue to believe in what it has taught for centuries, I pray the rosary everyday, I examine my conscience everyday, I listen to sermons on line given by faithful priests but I no longer attend mass because I am too old to travel to the closest Latin mass which which is probably under fire now away and I do not even recognize the local NO masses as Catholic. Attending church and listening to the hierarchy has the effect of damaging and confusing my faith rather then strengthening it. That, in its' self speaks volumes. I pray that God has mercy on my soul at judgement day.
Yes I agree with you that the gravity of the both sides of Brian Holdsworth's wager is not equal (as is that of Pascal's wager). That is the whole point! Given that there has been nothing procedurally wrong with the election of Pope Francis, there is no reason for a lay Catholic (such as myself) to doubt the legitimacy of Pope Francis. OTOH, if Pope Francis IS the true Pope, people like Patrick Coffin who think that Pope Benedict XVI is still the true Pope will endanger the safety of their immortal souls because when Pope BXVI passes away before Pope Francis (likely), then they will be in a sedevacantis position, and possibly in a schismatic position too. Not to mention that by promoting their position, they lead other people in a wrong direction, and thus causing them to endanger their souls as well.
@@fjodorcornelisson6874 My point was that the skewing of the Holdsworth's wager was wrong. In reality both sides of the coin have similar gravity. Following an anti-pope is just as dangerous as not following a true pope. Both scenarios fail in giving due recognition to the rightful vicar of Christ on earth.
@@SirTotallyAverage I understand your point. My point is that the skewing of the gravity is built-in into the wager. It is a feature of the wager, not a flaw. The way I see it, only one side does not give the proper recognition to the rightful Vicar of Christ. I go with the authority of the Church who held the proper and legal election of Pope Francis. Whose authority do you go with to question the legitimacy of it? The cardinals who participated in the conclave do not question it, the Dubia cardinals don't question it and Benedict XVI has repeatedly stated that he did resign. So which side has not done the obligation to follow the voice of the shepherd?
Thank you for addressing this issue in a reasonable and respectful manner.
Martin is a bloody coward who just believes what he wants to believe. He repeatedly says "no one says" Francis is not the Pope when the Cardinals who conspired readily boast that they did. Martin is just too cowardly to face what he must do to deal with a heretical man and antepope.
What's the issue
@@WorldWide-xm2obWatch the video.
Communion for adulterers, religious indifferentism, frank idolatry - if the two of you don’t see this as heresy and blasphemy you are strange Catholics. Taylor Marshall did no more than give the learned Bellermine’s opinion that if a Pope publicly teaches heresy, whatever his internal state of mind is, he loses the papacy ‘ipso facto’. (We can now add undermining the hierarchical nature of the Church, a well-defined necessary doctrine, which Francis achieved in the document just issued on the ‘reform’ of the Roman Curia.)
Amen!
There has been no heresy taught by Pope Francis (Michael Lofton of “Reason & Theology” breaks this down thoroughly so I’m not going to).
You, nor TM, have the authority to declare a Pope a heretic under cannon law-so you are already de facto committing public slander and calumny. “Something you should really get some introspection on”
In regards to communion for adulterers, you are clueless and just parroting other slanderous mouth pieces. This process was started by St. John Paul II (not Pope Francis) and the conditions are both merciful- and do not override church teaching. I’m not going to do your homework for you on this. Try some research on the conditions.
You, and others like you, have to drop pachamama online somewhere everyday to satisfy your Pope Francis derangement syndrome. Read what St. John Paul II had to say on pachamama and how throughout church history things that were once pagan ‘in nature’ get repurposed (my word for brevity) to become an instrument of evangelization.
...You can easily find what the saint said on the pachamama Wikipedia under the Christianity tab. (Real easy for someone who doesn’t like to lift a finger.)
Your post demonstrates that you have the behavior of a lazy mouthpiece doing others (with low IQ’s) bidding.
...You are easily duped and a person who loves to slander. Finally, you’ve falsely appointed yourself as a Bishop (or Cardinal) by declaring a Pope a heretic.
Today is Easter, you should’ve gotten it together during lent - get it together now while there is time, because your time is short!
Peace.
Most people are still more concerned with the opinions of man and with that they believe in a heretic. They should be concerned with what God thinks of them and not Bergoglio. Why would people still recognize someone who put a demon in St. Peters? Let Bergoglio be anathema
Vatican l has infallibly taught that every canonically elected Roman Pontiff has "the charism of truth and never-failing faith." So you're wrong on all points. Unfortunately, there are wolves in shepherds' clothing like Coffin, Marshall, and Fr. Ripperger who are sowing and fuelling division in the Church by presuming to hold some form of pseudo-magisterial teaching authority that's been granted to the conservative or traditionalist sub-culture.
@@alexchristopher221 You have to give up the gift of human reason to say that the outrages Francis teaches coincide with the perennial truths of the Catholic Church. He has, for example, taught a doctrine of salvation corresponding virtually word for word to the Lutheran view condemned by the Council of Trent. Anyone who examines the situation must come logically to one of two conclusions: the doctrine of the papacy we received is false, or Francis is not the Pope. It is simply impossible to have it both ways. What I think Mr. Marshall and I are saying is that if a layperson comes to the latter conclusion, it must be kept private, because we have no authority whatever to pronounce on these things. The Cardinals of the Roman Church do.
Just subscribed. I like your content and the way you approach certain issues in the Church today. I like that emotion is tempered and logic and reason are utilized to discuss these issues. Thank you and I’ll be watching👀
Love your work Matt.
Please interview Mr Coffin.
He is one of the few Catholic commentators that dares to speak about difficult topics.
He has so much to say on other things besides/as well as the Antipope topic.
He's an intelligent guy.
"He's an intelligent guy."
True, but that doesn't equal wisdom, and intelligent people can error, and error greatly.
This is the most superficial and sanctimonious talk, esp from two men as sharp as you two. It’s basically saying it’s a taboo topic we won’t genuinely delve into, just wave off the actual arguments themselves, continue to call Bergoglio just another sinner or subpar pope, when BXVI literally begged us to pray that he would not flee for fear of the wolves when he was (validly) elected. No discussion about Vatican I debates, resolutions, dogmatic proclamations and remaining questions. No discussion about Benedict’s own words, just summaries and paraphrasing of what other people have said about other people. Then taking the “safe” position of ignoring all that you know about orthodoxy, warnings from Christ Himself about wolves in sheep’s clothing, and so easily pardoning or explaining away Bergoglio’s constant annihilating of souls, the Mass of the Ages, beautiful large Catholic families, the absoluteness of living by the Commandments, calling the abortion-tainted vaccine a moral obligation and an act of charity, meeting with the most evil globalist leaders, technocrats and more, casting more blame on BXVI for his handling of the sex abuse issues while letting others go, burying dissenting voices of pious cardinals, trashing proselytism, celebrating Amazonian idols while bragging about not baptizing or evangelizing, I mean…the list goes on and on…I’ll wait for an actual EXAMPLE of a bishop of Rome this intentionally malicious and destructive, instead of vaguely saying “oh yea well we have had some bad popes before.” REAL questions of real substance deserve to be explored on this show by thinkers like Ed Mazza, Patrick Coffin and Taylor Marshall, instead of this extremely superficial summation of their SHREWD openness to this being more than just a shady or unclear resignation followed by a subpar papacy. Not to mention the jabs you two take at their character and virtue. NO. These ARE unprecedented times. Two men wearing white carrying the title Pope both living in Rome, both claiming to be within the enclosure of St. Peter, both giving Apostolic Blessings, one explicitly saying he never renounced the honors, the title, the clothes, the responsibility, the spiritual mandate or the prayer and suffering…same day the lightning struck St. Peter’s twice? And we are just supposed to say oh yeah Bergoglio is the “Holy Father” and that’s that? The laziness of this show casts a very dark shadow on all the other topics which are explored with intellectual honesty, primary and secondary sources, legitimate arguments from varying viewpoints, a thorough look at Church history and how this papal confusion has AND has not been seen by the Church before. But this? This was like “let’s just get this out of the way” without taking up ANY of the serious objections and questions raised by bishops, archbishops, cardinals, and millions of lay, whose Sensus Fidelium shines much brighter than this muddled conversation of put-downs and poor summaries that do not even given value or respect to the tremendous importance of knowing who the vicar of Christ is and whether this may be linked to Fatima, the “in a mirror…bishop in white…we had the impression it was the Holy Father,” not to mention 2 Thessalonians 4-8, Katechon, and so much more…
Exactly. They smile and wave their hands and imply that we should all take another sip of kool-aide and go back to sleep.
Bryan you are spot on!!!
1000 up votes for you!🙏
I hope that these men read your comment and reflected deeply on it. After all the eternal salvation of many souls may be affected by the actions, statements of this vicar/servant of Christ.
Very disappointed in these two. The premise is false. Coffin never said Francis “is” an antipope. He said it should be investigated. Absolutely flabbergasted that these two would twist this.
"Coffin never said Francis “is” an antipope. "
No Judy. Patrick is very clearly saying that Francis is an antipope. From his website :
_An antipope is not the antiChrist, but a man falsely believed to be the legitimate pope._
_Only a valid Pope can do a valid Marian consecration. Pope Benedict XVI is the true Roman Pontiff because he did not resign the office, or “munus”, of the papacy._
So to summarize :
1. Pope Benedict XVI is the legitimate pope
2. Which makes Francis an anti-pope.
Pope Francis won’t let himself be investigated, which is what evil does...he buries his opposition
@@KenSiefert The subject at hand is whether Coffin believes him to be an anti-pope. Coffin clearly does and he is 100% wrong. Disappointing that he has been duped because I do like him much over time. That Coffin believes so and is espousing his view publicly, is sinful, an evil act, promoting disunity and creating division where none exists.
To your comment, one can debate Francis, his statements, his pastoral decisions, including his acts or failure to act. Some may seem to reflect the sinfulness of man. We all sin, and some sin greatly. His holiness or lack of it has nothing to do with the perception of his being an anti-pope.
@@TruthHasSpoken
Infallible he is NOT...which is what every Pope should strive for, he does what every left wing sycophants does...only concerned with left wing ideology, not what Christ taught us.
@@KenSiefert Has nothing to do with infallibility on pronouncing doctrine. Has to do with his pastoral decisions, which could be wrong and debated.
"what Christ taught us"
From what I remember, Christ taught us to love each other. The current pope is trying to do just that though one can argue with his pastoral decisions, whether they be the best or not. He is shaped right or wrong from his home country, one that has much poverty. He well knows the downcast and outcast better than most. If you are ONLY seeing his sinfulness, and not his striving for holiness, you error. Would be good to read all of his addresses, and not just the ones that make headlines.
@ Matt, it seems Jesus knew that Peter and his successors would have "faith issues". No wonder He (Jesus) made this statement on their behalf in Luke 22: 31-34 "Jesus told Peter pointedly, “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” Jesus always knew things like this will happen and that's why He made it clear that if any Pope falls and realises his mistakes, he should encourage others to do so and come back to the faith.
I know nothing of Coffin but I sure know what I myself have seen Francis do and say over 9 years some of which is scandalous.
I wouldn’t use the argument that because people in positions of power and authority say something contrary to what that you believe to be true that if you go along with what they say then you won’t be judged on it. I heard Taylor Marshall use the example of St Vincent of Ferrer who was performing miracles while following an antipope. He said that during a time of confusion St Vincent held the theological virtues of faith, hope and love in his heart and God recognized the confusion that he was living under and gave him grace and led him eventually to the true pope. I think that’s closer to what you were trying to say. Maybe I’m misunderstanding.
Good point with that opening sentence. If there’s one thing the 20th century taught us, it’s that “I was just following the orders of lawful authority” is not a viable defense for acquiescence in error and evil.
It's good for us Catholics to be communicating about issues that are important to us! Thank you for the video.
Talk but never any changes.
So, what changes would you like to see?
@@willwisdominterviews Forget the traditions are more important than the scriptures. They should never be considered equal to scriptures. With traditions, you get these fairy tales about Mary being a queen or that she is an intercessor for us. You have purgatory from a couple of scriptures by a family that was not important and no Jewish priests ever said was okay. Catholics 2 scriptures that they feel are important but The Jews knew were not permissible by scripture, yet they did create Hanankua from the same book and the Catholics blew that off. Of course, I know why the Catholics wanted nothing to do with any Jewish tradition. If you make things that the so-called church fathers wrote down more important than what is in the Bible then you make Jesus and His teachings second class and cannot be trusted. One example, we are saved by faith and faith alone. we can do nothing to earn salvation. We must come to Jesus and ask for forgiveness of our sins. We must make Him Savior and Lord of our lives. We must repent of our sins. That is what Jesus told Nicodemus. That is how we become born again. You can take the Eucharist every week and not be saved. You can be baptized 20 times and not be saved until you have made that profession of faith. Catholics hate Paul because that is what he teaches. Yes, we must do good works but they will never save us. They are what we do to glorify Jesus.
@@bcalvert321 You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, know nothing about the scriptures, and certainly cannot call yourself a Christian.
Matthew 5:16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
John 14:12: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father.
James 2:24-26: [24] Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? [25] And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way? [26] For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.
Revelation 20:12-13: [12] And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.
Philippians 2:12: [12] Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
(**NOTE - People will be judged by what they had done, rather than in what they said they believed. "Not everyone who says Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father", Matthew 7:21)
Good Traditions (The Traditions of St Paul and the Catholic Church)
1 Corinthians 11:2: [2] Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances (traditions) as I have delivered them to you.
2 Thessalonians 2:14: [14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
(NOTE** - [14] "Traditions": See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles.)
2 Thessalonians 3:6: [6] And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.
Revelation 12:1-6: [1] And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: [2] And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. [3] And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: [4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. [5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne. [6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days.
(**NOTES - Blessed Mary appeared like this in Mexico, as Our Lady of Guadalupe. Guadalupe is taken from the Aztec word "coatlaxopeuh", pronounced quat - la-supe. "Coa" means serpent, "tla" means the, and "xopeuh" means "to crush", so Mary is "One Who Crushes the serpent". The Aztecs used serpents as their symbols, and were very big into human sacrifice, at the time of Mary's appearance at Tepeyac, Mexico, in 1531. Following her appearance there, most, if not all of the human sacrifices were stopped, and millions of people there converted to Catholicism. [1] "A woman": The Church of God and also our Blessed Lady. The Church is clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet: and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children (The seed of the woman Genesis 3:15, Revelation 12:17), and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions.)
Psalm 44:10-18 [10] The daughters of kings have delighted thee in thy glory. The queen stood on thy right hand, in gilded clothing; surrounded with variety. [11] Hearken, O daughter, and see, and incline thy ear: and forget thy people and thy father's house. [12] And the king shall greatly desire thy beauty; for he is the Lord thy God, and him they shall adore. [13] And the daughters of Tyre with gifts, yea, all the rich among the people, shall entreat thy countenance. [14] All the glory of the king's daughter is within in golden borders, [15] Clothed roundabout with varieties. After her shall virgins be brought to the king: her neighbours shall be brought to thee. [16] They shall be brought with gladness and rejoicing: they shall be brought into the temple of the king. [17] Instead of thy fathers, sons are born to thee: thou shalt make them princes over all the earth. [18] They shall remember thy name throughout all generations. Therefore, shall people praise thee for ever; yea, for ever and ever.
(NOTES** - [10] Who is the Queen standing on God’s right hand? It is also likely that the reference of gilded clothing surrounded with variety is referring to the Miraculous Image of our Lady of Guadalupe which has golden borders [14] and again [15] clothed roundabout with varieties. After her shall virgins be brought to the King. [18] They shall remember thy name throughout all generations Luke 1:48.)
Ecclesiasticus 24:24-28: [24] I am the mother of fair love, and of fear, and of knowledge, and of holy hope. [25] In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue. [26] Come over to me, all ye that desire me, and be filled with my fruits. [27] For my spirit is sweet above honey, and my inheritance above honey and the honeycomb. [28] My memory is unto everlasting generations.
(NOTES** - [24] Who is the mother of fair love, and of Holy hope? [25] In me is all grace of the way and of the truth. Blessed Mary is FULL of grace Luke 1:28, and is the Mother of the Way and of the Truth in Jesus Christ. [28] Again with “my memory is unto everlasting generations.” Luke 1:48)
Whilst Purgatory is never mentioned by name in the scriptures, it is clearly referred to by the scriptures in other ways as the Catholic Church had not named it yet.
Purgatory
Isaiah 6:1-7, 2 Maccabees 12:43-45, Matthew 5:25-26, Matthew 12:31-32, Matthew 18:32-35, Mark 9:49, Hebrews 12:22-24, Revelation 21:27, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, Hebrews 12:29, 1 Peter 1:7, 1 Peter 3:19.
(NOTE** - [1 Peter 3:19] "Spirits that were in prison": See here a proof of a third place, or middle state of souls: for these spirits in prison, to whom Christ went to preach, after his death, were not in heaven; nor yet in the hell of the damned: because heaven is no prison: and Christ did not go to preach to the damned.)
Douay-Rheims Bible
www.drbo.org/
@@eskimoman000 Douay Rheims the Bible that was taken from the Latin and not the original Greek. Jerome made a lot of mistakes in this Bible. Matthew 5:16 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. My good deeds come from God. The Holy Spirit prompts me and I respond. Anything from giving money to a needy person, giving a ride to a person stranded, to praying for people in Walmart. I believe the Holy Spirit works in people while Mary cannot do so. I am not going to answer your book that you have made. But I will read it.
I watch Taylor Marshall, and it made me think,Peter denied Christ in his presence and was forgiven,so let us trust in God's wisdom.
That's not the argument here. The argument is that Pope Benedict is still the Pope and Brogolio has at many occasions has been heretical.
how far are we in fulfilling marian prophecy, "rome will lose the faith"? bishop fulton sheen ,and others, have stated a false ape of the church will arise. francis's hierarchy trying to destroy traditional catholicism seems to be very close to qualifying.
I know some 16th century Protestant Reformers who would agree with you.
Rome has already lost the faith and the Novus Ordo is 'the Ape'
"Inconsistent Leadership" gotta be the oxymoron of the year :D
He’s not. Could he be a better one? Yes. But he’s definitely not (an antipope).
Francis....Time magazine 'man of the year' tells you all you need to know #TheLastPope
Like Obama receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.
I wish I had seen this earlier. Sincere thanks to the both of you for this. I tried to follow Marshall and just couldn't. He is so abrasive, so arrogant, so proud, so misguided, and there's so much frothing, virulent antisemitism. I just can't. It is very difficult to find sane, reasonable conversation about our Pope. Thank you.
You Keep On Loving A powerful demographic of people who hate you. it's worked out really well so far!
Nice conversation; honest and opened.
God is in control ..God has allowed Pope Francis to be our current leader ..for we are in the testing times ..we learn to discern false teaching ,to learn about our doctrines ,HE will separate the sheep from the goats..
HE will spit out the lukewarm souls.
Ding ding ding. Gold star for you Charmaine Fernandes ⭐️
Yes exactly! Just like Jesus allowed Judas to be a disciple.
Dr. Martin and Mr. Fradd, thank you both for your insightful analysis of this and other issues. As a layman with no scriptural, theological, or canon law credentials, I'm disturbed by the " armchair analysts " who seem to be posting videos each week about the Pope's statements. I have studiously chosen to delete them.
I pray that you both continue your work with scholars like yourselves, who have no axe to grind.
Godspeed!
So Francis is imprudent and the Cardinals talk to each other. Are they helping souls? And the Church is perfectly splendid when clearly it’s not.
I'm not a good Christian but I know what heresy, idolotry and trying to destroy the church from within looks like. What more do you want him to do?
You have more moral clarity then some Catholics do including cardinals.
I watched this video yesterday & Coffin nice man but im so glad of Ralph's interview very balanced as usual. Ralph was in DERRY City with Fire 🔥 Group many years ago. I really appreciate his opinion....no better man he's so full of the Holy Spirit.
We as lay people have our own thoughts about what is going on with the Pope. And have every right to declare what we feel. Because the scales have not fallen off your eyes is not out fault. For we testify what we see . We pray for you Matt.
Just wait until they change the Sacraments, The Our Father and Consecration of the Host. Then maybe you'll finally clue in on what's going on.
True. My question would be to Ralph Martin along the lines of just where he would draw the line. That way he is forced to take a stand. Then when the line is crossed we can watch and see if he moves it.
@@John_Malloy If he hasn't drawn the line yet, I doubt he'll ever draw one. The Pope has already proved he is a heretic with his words and actions. Either that, or he doesn't know any better.
When a Pope says Jesus's words aren't God's words, you know he's a heretic.
So many cardinals, Bishops and priests and now Popes do not talk against the evils in and outside of the church. As far as scandals and doing damage to souls, that is on going under P. F. Anti Pope or not. At least Coffin is putting up a case for us to consider.
8:10 Matt] "If you are wrong, and you are telling everybody that Pope Francis is not the Pope that doesn't put you in a good place..." Very good point.
Excellent program. Learned a lot from them
Leave everyone else out of your "we don't know." The Cardinals who did conspire admitted it and boosted that they did.
Thank you for putting on a program like this.God bless both of you
I don't believe that Francis is an anti-POPE. I believe that he is an anti-CHRIST - that is, one who is against Christ or opposes Christ. His words and his actions seem to make this plain to me.
“Archbishop Gaenschwein said some things… about Pope Benedict continuing the contemplative parr of the papacy and Francis taking the active part…, and I think that was unfortunate, I don’t think that he should have said those things, I don’t think he’s helping”. You’ve completely missed the point. ++Gaenschwein is the secretary to both popes. When he speaks, you can assume that he speaks for THEM. If he says that they split the office in two, it’s probably because one or both of them said that’s what they had done. If they said that, then they don’t understand how the papacy works. If Benedict doesn’t understand how the papacy works, or how to resign the entire thing, and thinks that he can just resign one piece of it but not the other, then you have substantial error of intention, and the resignation doesn’t happen. You don’t even understand this argument, which makes it all the more difficult to listen to your “analysis”. You need to reread this argument and come back with something that actually addresses the points.
Your comment is very good! I agree with you 💯
So appreciated this talk. I needed to hear a few things clarified and this did. Thank you
We will know them by their fruits
Thank you. That answered a lot of my questions.
I don’t know about anyone else but when I hear about all of these “scandals” and “hypothesis” about the papacy, I’m reminded that we are fallen man in need of Gods grace. Nobody is perfect and if we spend every hour of our day judging these men, how much better are we? I appreciate these topics in as much as it gives a glimpse of the condition of the leadership but I personally think that if to much focus is placed on topics like these, we can fall into the sins of gossip,slander,factions and dissensions and possibly for some a loss of faith. We should pray for the church and let God deal with it.
The problem is that these are the same guys who created a world-wide sex scandal. The problem in the past was that not enough focus and oversight was placed on these Church leaders and they ended up harming alot of people. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. In fact, I would say given their track record the laity have the responsibility to enact significant oversight on them.
I hear what you're saying and I agree sometimes people get to a point where they're discussing these things so often they can get to the point of slander.
Yet, we're not talking about an annoying neighbor who mows their lawn at 10PM here. We're talking about the person who's supposed to be leading the church. We're not just talking about an irritating behavior here, we're talking about statements made by the Pope and acts done by him that are 100% leading some people astray in their spiritual life. It's also worth noting that priests are meant to be held to a higher standard. If a Shepherd grazes just as any ordinary sheep would, how can he protect the flock? There's a different set of standards by which priests, bishops, Cardinals and the Pope live by and we ought to hold them to that standard.
Furthermore, God will take care of things in the end, but we must acknowledge that He can accomplish that in many different ways, one of which being through the body of the church. Christ gave us each other for a reason. We are meant to support and lovingly redirect our brothers and sisters when they fall into a sinful way of life. It's good to be talking about these things because the leadership in the church is sorely lacking any sort of backbone. We're not supposed to just roll over when the culture pushes hard against us. Imagine what Paul, Peter and the others would think if they saw church leadership today cowering from the culture because they're called mean names if they state basic truths? For goodness sakes, the Saints had A LOT worse to deal with than that.
Judging is God's prerogative alone and that is to pronounce sentence on the state of one's soul to heaven or hell. God alone knows and decides.
But alot of people confuse "judging" with warning or admonishing the sinner which is one of the 7 spiritual works of mercy. I think speaking the truth in Love is not gossip or slander, but rather imperative to hold each other accountable, including the highest church officials, because they are tempted in every way as we are and I think the mistake of the past was holding them in so much esteem and respect that we forgot that church men are sinners and weak just like us, therefore in need of our prayers but also we must be vigilant as well.
There's an element of truth in what you're saying and a point well taken, however, when it comes to a Pope he must be accountable, admonished & corrected - otherwise the damage he's done and is doing is not going to get better - it's only getting worse. Think of the sexual predator and\or actively homosexual priests. Silence & cover-up is the WRONG response.
Judging and holding people accountable are two very different things
Thank you, a program like this is needed in our Church today!
God bless you both!
0:49 I'll draw out the conclusion, unlike Taylor Marshall I am no longer FSSPX and feel no obligation to not state the obvious conclusion:
Minor : Jorge Mario Bergogoglio who on a more or less apparent election took the name "Pope Francis" publically teaches heresy and did so prior to that election;
Major : a bishop of the Church not covered by a superior up to trial immediately loses episcopacy (a Pope on the Nestorius case) on publically teaching heresy and is not eligible (St. Robert Bellarmine) for papacy;
Conclusion : Jorge Mario Bergoglio has lost any office he had and was never elected Pope.
Or, Francis is the pope, just a very bad one like we've had many times before in Church history.
@@lawdogwales5921 Or to be a bad Pope, you need to still be Catholic.
One who seems to have invoked Pagan gods was deposed at Sutri. Pope St. Gregory IX taking over then did not contest the deposition.
The goups of people Francis seems to be popular with in my travels are Chaldean Catholics for his historic trip to Iraq and his sheding light on their situation. His trip has been recently made into a documentary. Indigenous people in Canada for his recent historic apology over the residential schools. I highly recommend watching the testimony from elder Angie Crear on her meeting the pope that the Edmonton Archdiocese posted on youtube. Very powerful! as well a group of Inuit doing the Lord's prayer in Inuktitut on Rome reports. Francis is also popular with all my friends from different faiths as well as many of no faith. They say he's a breath of fresh air and I agree.
The lord's prayer First Nations version:
O great spirit, our father from above, we honour your name as sacred
and Holy. Bring your good road to us, where the beauty of your ways in
the spirit world above is reflected below.
Provide for us day by day- the elk, the buffalo, and the salmon.
The corn, the squash, and the wild rice. All the things we need for each
for each day.
Release us from the things we have done wrong, in the same way we release
others for the things done wrong to us.
@@loveandmercy9664 I am glad some light was shed on the plight of Catholics of Chaldean rite, but that doesn't make the man who did this an actual Pope.
Even infidels may do some things right.
@@hglundahl He was voted by Cardinals who were guided by the Holy Spirit.
We must pray for all.
I don't know. But what's about the great damage Francis is doing, primarily tolerating evil and misconstruing the gospel?
I believe Taylor Marshall is spot on with Francis he said himself he wasn't vicar of Christ
We must trust in Gods providence. Pope Francis is chosen to be Pope and He is maybe not understood but He’s not calling any Catholics Anti Catholics. Who knows what is Gods intentions but we are to trust in that Holy Spirit. Time will open all truths. Let’s stay positive , loving and uplift our faith. Division kills
He’s not calling them anti-Catholics; he’s just banning their mass.
"Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife" (Philippians 1)
Can’t we discuss this?
We have to serve the Church yes that’s true but we also have to serve God outside the Church too to be a witness to others and to conform the world to Him. Yes, Peter denies God, he sins yet, Peter’s story shows us how to go to confession. He shows us what a contrite heart looks like. Peter experienced Gods love and mercy and he accepted it!!!!
Ralph Martin is turning wishy washy. The backbone is dissolving. He should emulate St Michael.
Hey Matt and Ralph, I love you guys, I really really do. But I'm very disappointed about the extent to which you two are discussing strawmen. Ralph's summary doesn't do justice to what Coffin and others believing Benedict is Pope are actually saying.
Its called inculturation and the church has been doing it for 2000 years. Some of the earliest examples would be the Dura-Europos house church from the 2nd century found in Syria. It has Christian symbols imposed on Greco-Roman Gods and motifs. Another one would be the Maddona and child adopted from isis and hourus. Some notable examples from the middle ages would be the Christmas tree, Easter eggs, Gothic cathedrals, Anglo-Saxon poetry, the book of Kells. the stave church in Norway and from the Americas we have the Huron carol.
@@loveandmercy9664 ...that word, inculturation....I don't think it means what you think it means.
(What does your comment have to do with anything i said?)
I find it to be difficult for what catholics are to do here. A pope could be an anti-pope and you are supposed to follow what he says, but then a few years (or a few centuries later!) it could come out that he was an anti-pope and nothing that he was not in his right to use any authority to promote doctrine X. seems convoluted.
That pascal wager argument was absolutely terrible. It suggests that you deny the truth because you think God won't judge you for it. But denying the truth is denying God!
I love your charity guys but we can’t look away or make excuses for him or his goons anymore. It’s just beyond ridiculous now. Lord have mercy on us 🙏🏼🙏🏼🕊
Some catholic apologists seemed to confuse more and sowed division instead of unity. I appreciate Ralph's position of being with and in the Church rather than criticizing Her as if one is the absolute authority. The Petrine authority and the Chair of Peter under which all come from Jesus must sail on till the end of times. Pray... and hold on.
Id like to hear Ralph address the 1996 apostolic constitution from John Paul II titled 'Universi Dominici gregis'.
Ralph Martin is very specific, doesn't jump to conclusions as I think Mr Coffen does. I've read & listened to Martin many times. I'm going to trust & believe in God's plan for us/ me. I'll continue to pray my Rosary, receive the Eucharist, + hold my judgement
Have you guys ask yourself recently if you are ready for what is coming? I mean father this Holy Week just watch out if you haven’t consecrated yourself and surrender your Will to him you’ve better do it now.
Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with thee, Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus, Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Thanks , I wanted to hear this.
Obviously he is an anti-pope, the actions speak for themselves, and there are so many, and don't need to listen to anyone for that matter to determine that. Pope Benedict hasn't challenged his papacy... yet. May be worth while interviewing Marshal, Coffin etc and ask them the questions directly? At the end of the day, the word of the bible and prophecies by recognised seers and prophets has to happen and God is in total control, all what we can do is pray. God bless.
Always er on the side of the Church teaching. Coffin and Marshal, in the end, have absolutely 0 magisterial authority. So long as the magisterium accepts Francis as pope, we should too, otherwise we go against the Church.
Yet?
"yet." So if he dies never challenging the pope then you would be completely wrong. You're just gambling at this point
@@anthonymckinney9904 Pope Benedict can challenge it anytime, he simply chose not to do so... yet.
Perhaps instead of saying Dr. TM called bergollio a heretic, why not specifically say what was said?
And why. Agreed 100%.
Pope Francis is the current Pope.
Yep! he's a breath of fresh air.
@@loveandmercy9664 Bergoglio is a criminal, a heretic and a liar...but everyone is following their own heart and image so what can one say? Go worship Pachamama and belzebub with your hero ( Bergoglio, protector of pedos) all that was supposed to be said was said, I guess you chose your team 😉
@@loveandmercy9664 For people who aren't actually Catholic and following the traditions of our faith.
@@loveandmercy9664For atheists and modernists sure!
Nothing in this video adequately addressed Patrick Coffin’s points. That’s just objectively true - this was just two guys at the bar talking without addressing the buttresses of Patrick’s arguments. Snide remarks can’t alone dismiss Coffin’s points.
Also, I’m sorry, but Matt Fradd’s endorsement of a “Pascal’s Wager” esque argument for why we should err on the side of a legitimate Francis Papacy is laughable. Coffin’s argument does not invalidate the Church’s mission or ongoing Catholic evangelization efforts. He’s making a brave argument in seeking the “truth of the matter.” It’s always easier to accept the status quo - I’m glad there are brave men and women that stand up for truth and ignore the morality of the mob. Plenty of times the “mob” is wrong.
It seems as if you are holding Patrick Coffin more at fault than the pope himself who has, yes, said heretical things. We need to pray and support each other as faithful Catholics seeking truth. These are not small things the pope is doing. There seems more concern for these men who are troubled by these significant departures of Francis from truth than for the impact of the pope’s words and actions. Surely, whether you call him an anti-pope is yet premature and not the proper direction. But can we please rather admit that something is amiss if our faithful apologists and those genuinely seeking to share the wisdom of the faith are struggling over the misguided (possibly worse) words and decisions of Pope Francis? Where is Pope Francis’s concern over the moral breakdown taking place and the boldness of evil today? His omission to speak on the urgent issues of our time and choice to instead focus on climate change, as one example, is a problem. Something is terribly wrong.
I agree with other comments: please have either one of these men on your show, Matt.
Mr. Martin is one of my favorite teachers in the faith and The Fulfillment of All Desire is one of the most beautiful books for anyone to own. What a gift Ralph Martin is and all his service to our Lord. But I would like to see greater concern for what the pope is doing and a call to prayer for this than more time spent on breaking down fellow teachers who are rightfully struggling with the state of the highest church leadership. The Gallen Mafia is NOT the same thing as cardinals discussing who they believe would be a good and holy pope.
I am truly grateful for your show, Mr. Fradd, and have used episodes to incorporate into lessons for my students. Thank you. I hold you in prayer.
God bless you.
Coffin and Marshall aren't faithful apologists. Deluded and arrogant is more like it.
you spent the whole question of Francis being the anti pope. Ok fine, but how about the question of Francis committing heresy?
The problem with that alternate version of Pascal's Wager is that it would never be 'safer' to question a pope, even if they were truly an anitpope or worse.
Sin is never to be tolerated. If people are scared to do so then they are very weak in the faith.
Guys you are charitable, cautious and just but we are in new territory so such discussions arise. Let’s hope they inspire folks to be better lest the Gospel is obscured.
In justice and truth be accurate! After all, *Francis publicly and explicitly cast doubt on the >sanctity of the Virgin Mary!* He several years ago, speaking about the Holy Family, said that saints >aren't born that way. Excuse me, Jesus' Own mother is NOT just any saint. Francis DIRECTLY put himself under the condemnation declared by Pope Venerable Pius IX in his bull that defined the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception.
If you read side by side, Francis's words and The Church's words defined, declared, explained by Pius IX, there's a clear contradiction. Francis spoke heresy there, though he might not be culpable before God if he didn't specifically intend to do so. Sadly, he's taught heresy >repeatedly! Eg. he praised Martín Luther as being not in error but as medicine for the Church what had centuries earlier been officially declared as Anathema and against the Faith.
Hell, Francis has taught IMMORALITY! He dared to say that shacking up, i.e. cohabitating couples >are in a marriage and "having the grace of marriage."
What's the Sacrament of Marriage, what the Church has always taught, and what's grave sin it doesn't seem to matter to Francis!
He's a danger to the Deposit of Faith and to Morals... but that's not even the worst he's done.... the Body and Blood of Jesus and the blood of the innocent unborn will judge him if he doesn't change, but that's another subject.
LORD HAVE MERCY, on him, and on us also.
And please be accurate. T. Marshall can point out specific objective heresy that Francis states; but that is entirely different from Francis being subjectively guilty of heresy or of being a formal heretic. Many people seem to completely disregard the difference of these paradoxical realities coexisting.
But what can you expect from a pope who doesn't think seriously about consequences or true meaning of his statements?
...Says the person who believes every headline with a slant against the Pope.
...Says the person who takes TM seriously. With all his kooky conspiracy theories- and kooky demands.
“Mary is not only the bridge joining us to God; she is more. She is the road that God travelled to reach us, and the road that we must travel in order to reach him.” -Pope Francis, 3/25/21
@@G-MIP Francis's own actions and words are public record. I listened to a father's pained voice when recalled having to explain to his daughter that living together before marriage is NOT the Church's teaching, and that Francis's statement was wrong.
Imagine, the pope, no less, saying publicly that living together is like a marriage and "having the grace of marriage'! People worldwide-young people-listen to and read Francis's immoral talk. If a doctor gave you poison, what would you think of that person?
Yet it's worse. Bishop Sheen explained the difference between a bad person and an evil person. A bad person does wrong, harms, sins, etc. But an evil person makes or leads others
[oops, to finish sentence] ...*an evil person causes or leads others to sin, immoral acts, etc. Repeatedly Francis is doing that! He's putting souls in jeopardy.*
Sad part is, he doesn't seem to care to change, even when (even by bishops and cardinals) his wrongs are questioned or pointed out.
Francis of Assisi warned of a pope who'd come that would be a >"destroyer."<
Is Francis that one, or is a worse one to be after? Only God knows. All we can do is be steadfast in our life...Faith...morals; try to warn people of dangers; pray and make sacrifices.
>Padre Pio said the rosary is >"the weapon!"
I watched just to see what Ralph would say about Pope Francis end I’m happy to say that I’m not disappointed. Thank you 🙏🏻
Matt, you and Ralph are two of the best. I enjoy both of your videos, and this short video was concise and to the point.
I have also listened to Brian Holdsworth. What I see in all three of you is a humbleness that shows me you are all men of God. May Our Lord bless you and your families. Viva Christo Rey! Ave Maria!
I don't know whether Pope Francis is an anti-pope. I do know that many of his decisions are adversely affecting many Catholics who I know because they are in conflict with what has been Catholic teaching for centuries. He is turning people away from, rather than towards the Church. I pray for him daily, just as I pray for all those in the world who have great power. I ask God to help them do good works, to be moral leaders, to bring about peace, rather than the division that so many people in power are doing at this time in history.
Let us pray 🙏 for our pope, let us pray for Mother catholic Church 🙏
Matt, you need to talk to these people.
He is in a leadership position that has done nothing but sow seeds of confusion in a world that so desperately needs truth spoken clearly. Where does the accountability begin... he is leading many people astray by his lack of simple truth and clarity.To those who are given much,..much is expected. It hasn't been one oops..but many.i would be just as negligent as a parent to cloud the issues of right and wrong to my children. I am obligated to speak truth so my children understand. I am disappointed in both of you
In this easter time, I invite you to be charitable one another. Keep in mind that we all believe the same creed, we all receive the same baptism, we are are all part of the same church. Those questions about the pope, Vatican II etc. are difficults, not all of us have the abilities to understand all the details, but all of us have the OBLIGATION to love one another. PAX DOMINI
Most beautifully stated!
Even though we disagree with Pope Francis, as Catholics we can not say anything bad about the Pope. The only thing we can do is pray. The Holy Spirit will guide him. Peace 🙏🙏🙏
What do you mean that we can’t say anything bad about the pope? Of course we have every right to criticize a heretical pope, like Francis.