Anthony Monteiro : Feb. 23, 2013 is the 145th anniversary of the birth of Du Bois, considered a founder of the civil rights movement and father of Pan Africanism
I've still yet to see a modern day black academic type or intellectual describe Booker T. Washington's view in an honest and fair way. Which actually makes lots of sense bcus they're academics not industrialists, entrepreneurs nor doers. Black people are suffering and dying because of the failed ideas continually perpetuated by these idealists non-pragmatic folks.
I don't think Washington was advocating for assimilation but rather, noticing how immigrant communities came to flourish, he advocated building financially strong Black communities. This strategy, I believe, may still prove useful to the African American community if we can bring ourselves to build and support Black-owned businesses. We could pull ourselves out of economic recession and resolve our unemployment problem if only we stopped believing, as Dubois did for a long time, in civil equity.
Yeah, I think this guy is insulated from the struggles of black Americans and cannot see that the problems of today are that we went the DuBois route and it is not working. Champaign Leftists....
There's a lot more to it. Booker T. was mercilessly destroyed by people in Du Bois' camp. God forbid the black man should actually try to self improve.
Exactly. W.E.B Dubious is like these black celebrities and intellectuals who constantly tell other blacks what they can't do because they are our(leaders) talented 10. No man should have a leader.
I don’t find this discussion to be a fair depiction of Booker T. Washington‘s views. This makes it seem as though he somehow conceded civil rights for Black people.
the idea of neo liberalism and pull yourself up by your boot straps ideology while down playing the real substance of black decline as a whole but pointing to exceptionalism of the few....." pull yourself up by your bootstraps....only works if you've been given a pair of bootstraps " Illhan Omaar
@@bobbydrake07017 The ONLY way to get bootstraps is for someone to give them to you? Wow, why ever try to get your own bootstraps if they must be given to you? See? Ya have been conditioned to need someone to do for you because they think you are unable to do for yourself.
@@bobbydrake07017 Illhan Omaar came to America from war torn Somalia, what the hell does she know about Black America when she was saved by a group of White people...
BTW Focuses on individual responsibility, Dubois focuses on societal issues. This seems to present that Dubois had the better idea. NO ! Both are correct. I think it is more imperative to get the personal responsibility (cultural) issues corrected otherwise you can't take advantage of societal benefits.
I am a fan of Garvey and Booker T Washington. I think Dubois" pan African ism was later to come. he went to Harvard and formed alliances with educated white America. After seeing that unity in this country was impossible he left and moved to Ghana. Garvey brought pride and culture to the masses not just those that would enter into white universities/ Liberal education doesn't have to reflect European arts and values only. African in the diaspora don't need to read Shakespear we need to manage or natural resources and learn about each other!
I understand the mindset of both men. This is what effects African Americans still today. We have great minds standing for the right causes but not in a unified manner. In my opinion Mr. Booker T. Washington was simply employing a brilliant strategy. He knew that with education, vocation and economic strength, eventually civil rights would not be merely a futile request, but a obvious demand. With that being said we still needed the thinking of Mr. W.E.B. Du Bois.
The De Bois path has run its course and helped bring civil rights into law. Now it is time to embrace the Washington path. Put the victim mentality behind and become the Doctors, Engineers, Architects, Entrepreneurs, Computer Scientists, and role models that America is in so much need of. I’m listening to Washington’s memoir and if we judge based on character, Booker T. Washington is one of America’s greatest heroes. What an incredible example for us all. Regardless of ancestry.
Yes he graduated from Harvard but it was Booker T. Washington George Washington Carver and Louis Adams that created the Tuskeegee Institute. That’ institution show that blacks were able to prevail you talk to you about pan Africanism in earth stuff that’s just you talking that’s great and I’m glad but Booker T. Washington was about teaching people how to fish not just feeding them for the day and we all know how that one goes. Yes WEB Du Bois had a Lotta good things, but Booker T. Washington founded in institution that still here today. We fail to realize that growth in the community and individual person can do many things.Even Malcolm X said erase is like an individual person who he does not show his own talents fills the help that we succeed you have to be able to succeed as an individual and group as well as your people before you can start talking about other things. Booker T. Washington was trying to get people to grow as a community. I can’t see anything wrong with that after all he was the first black man to eat at the White House with Theodore Roosevelt.
@@cowlico My only. Issue with Washington and alot people have a similar idea about him. Why must we continue to proved our selves even after slavery was supposedly over? He argue fora alot for blacks but when faced with certain topics he often deflected or said change will happen in due time. How about the present?
Michael Washington Washington had the right idea in the sense of learning to fish for ourselves, He saw us as a people being able to educate ourselves and at some point even govern ourselves, least we forget the first blacks out of slavery that went into congress went into which party? Remember the reconstruction era, Booker T Washington grew up in that, he saw a bit better than most of the time. Washington was from the last generation of black American leaders born into slavery and became the leading voice of the former slaves and their descendants. They were newly oppressed in the South by disenfranchisement and the Jim Crow discriminatory laws enacted in the post-Reconstruction Southern states in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Washington was a key proponent of African-American businesses and one of the founders of the National Negro Business League. His base was the Tuskegee Institute, a historically black college he founded in Tuskegee, Alabama. As lynchings in the South reached a peak in 1895, Washington gave a speech, known as the "Atlanta compromise", which brought him national fame. He called for black progress through education and entrepreneurship, rather than trying to challenge directly the Jim Crow segregation and the disenfranchisement of black voters in the South. And I can understand how that doesn’t sit well with many to a very small point! However, I have to say the man was on to something and had others listened just a bit... imagine where we as a people would be today! Look we all know that his long-term goal was to end the disenfranchisement of the vast majority of African Americans, who then still lived in the South. His legacy has been very controversial to the civil rights community, even today as he was an important leader of that community before 1915.
We still have Plessy vs Ferguson today only in a different manner. Plessy vs Ferguson dealt with whites keeping their privilege and they have still managed to keep it. Washington knew whites weren't going to be fair with blacks. He also knew blacks were not going to physically turn against whites. He also knew, even at that time, people with wealth fared better. His advice was get off your butt and get some. Of course he knew it would be hard but what other choices did blacks have. They could leave the country and go to Europe if they could afford it. They could throw in with DuBois and protest which they still do today to no avail. He also founded Tuskegee University. DuBois was a founder of the NAACP. You must ask yourself which of these institutions have served us best through the years and continue to do so today.
yet the university Washington founded was the same place where blacks were injected STDs and tested on, meanwhile NAACP has passed policies that have uplifted us somewhat. Both are flawed
@@BlackTiePres3nts The subjects already had syphilis, they weren't injected with it. And most of them lived to be a ripe age. Also, Washington died about 50 years before the experiments took place.
I agree totally. Any business that can loosen us from the prevalent economic system is beneficial for the individual & the community. Complimentary & alternative economies will also help. The prevalent system can't be sustained & when it collapses, the more we're plugged into it, the more we'll collapse too. Local businesses, local politics, community banks, alternative economies, co--ops, cash crops, etc. are what's going to liberate us all from economic & political tyranny, imo.
"...he has as college chaplain, a classical graduate of Atlanta University; as teacher of science, a graduate of Fisk; as teacher of history, a graduate of Smith,-indeed some thirty of his chief teachers are college graduates, and instead of studying French grammars in the midst of weeds, or buying pianos for dirty cabins, they are at Mr. Washington's right hand helping him in a noble work. "~ W.E.B. DuBois
The Du Bois v Washington positions did and still speaks to two separate black audiences. But that is not to remove from the fact that Dubois clearly wanted back- what belongs to Blacks: their self worth and dignity. With no further delay. While Washington's path was to slowly gain back black rights and humanity. We are not to know how the latter would have worked out.
I believe that you’re way off here. Your dignity and self-worth comes from within, not the outside world. But the industrial knowledge that Booker T Washington advocates for us still missing in the black community over 100 years later. So now, a century later Black America is still lagging behind from and economic standpoint as we went with Du Bois’ plan, which is effectively socialism. But over this past century, we’ve seen minority class after minority class come into this country, run with Washington’s plan of putting economic security first, and we watch them all pass us by.
@@subj3ctt0chang3 , many black immigrant communities used Booker T. Washington's model of success, and they surpassed the Black Americans who have lived several generations in the United States.
@@michaelwashington4408 Blacks wouldn't have to ask for basic human rights when you have your own school, farms, land ownership, neighborhoods, businesses, corporations, hospitals, law firms and entertainment production companies. You don't ask for something you already have when it's yours. That is a slave mentality.
Booker T. Washington was a hard worker and founder of countless schools for African-Americans throughout the south. One could say he believed in rugged individualism and that blacks could achieve greatness if they aquired education and skills and eventually they would prove themselves to the white community and be given rights because of their accomplishments. Obama on the other hand said in a speech that American rugged indiviualism has never worked.
I felt that if Du Bois and Washington could have worked together a great change could have came about. Washington was thinking in that moment. We just became freed slaves, no money no education, not a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out. You can't go demanding respect from people who don't even value you as a human being. Get off your tail and make a life for yourself. Du Bois saw it as a bunch of butt kissing and crack wiping. We should not have to ask for something that should been giving to us. If you start kissing but you will never get respect and you may be freed but you're still be slaves to the whites. Educate yourself and rise above not lowering yourself any lower.
Blacks followed the DuBois plan and look at us today. Kissing Biden's White ass for reparations, voting rights, Welfare and other issues the race hustlers have at their disposal... Under Booker T., at least we'd have our own property...
It's funny how I use to think Booker To Washington was a uncle Tom...However he proved his ways were very much needed..but there would not be a black president in office multiple millionare black ass business owners and and a whole host of other high ranking blacks in the United States without We . Dubois.
Can't say what he had to do with it but he did visit it and commend the merchants and business owners. It made him proud to see such progress. I suspect lots of them were inspired by his philosophy.
"But to me it depends on why you're trying to self-improve." I find that an odd statement, even in its context. I think that the attitude of trying to improve oneself is always admirable. I hope that our "true self" (an abstract and totally subjective term, kind of like "soulmate") always wants to improve. I also disagree with your last statement, but hey, at least you are thinking and expressing your opinions. Maybe think a bit more a/b using words like "always" and "wrong".
+Colly Burke You are absolutely correct! I think of Booker T as the master Black innovator and visionary of his day -- and this day, even. None of the "leaders" of the Civil Rights Industry, whose tepid and self-pitying ideas have reigned unchallenged for almost FOUR decades now, have delivered anything close to Booker T's accomplishments. That's TWO decades of the "Booker T. Washington Era," from 1895 to his suspicious and untimely death at the age of 55 in 1915; compared to the almost FOUR decades that these leaders have had us chasing the most elusive and unproductive goals. Every ethnic group that has emigrated to the U.S. has pursued the uplift strategy advocated by Booker T. Washington: economic empowerment and self-sufficiency BEFORE political objectives. History, both past and very recent, is putting the lie to the illusions that have been sold Black folks as truth. So much of our collective time and energy has been depleted by these so-called "leaders" and their propaganda-purveying "intellectuals." How did "Uncle Tom" come to be associated with a man of such heroic achievements as Booker T. Washington?
I'd recommend reading "We Ain’t What We Ought To Be: The Black Freedom Struggle from Emancipation to Obama" by Stephen Tuck. It highlights the limitations of Booker T. Washington's model and even suggests how towards the end of his life Washington too began to realise that his model of simply trying to be "responsible, reliable American citizens" was not enough to deliver equality and justice. Indeed, Paul Dunbar's story "The Lynching of Jude Benson" only goes to show that in a deeply, racist society, submission and hard-work was not enough to save the black man from the white man's ire.
Very interesting! Perhaps because I was raised in the white suburbs, I know the name "Booker T. Washington" and not the name "Du Bois." Thanks, Real News, you keep opening my eyes! Wow!
You guys must read more.. there's is a world of information out there waiting for you.. It's refreshing to see a White American interested in 'other' aspects of American history. If your really interested in Pan-Africanism and African American history, you should look up George Washington Williams and Marcus Garvey as well. There are innumerable Interesting Black figures in the civil rights struggles. If you're interested in modern issues we face, you should look up Michelle Alexander.
Yes, I think you have issues. If I were to attend a Japanese school because I believed that I could receive a better education there, I would probably be quite self aware, perhaps even a bit embarrassed. However, I would be willing to deal with any embarrassment in order to receive that better education.
I love the educated feedback up here. I believe that our race issues were initiated by those who fought for white supremacy. If there was not white supremacy, we could treat people as people without stepping on toes. So, I think when we talk about such issues, we have to both clean house and encourage our people to move forward. What all people should realize is that there are both good and bad people in every community. There are diligent people and not so diligent people. There are people who are content and there are people who are hungry. The race issues in this country are so prominent, that we have to address the systems, but also, have the integrity and the heart to speak and invest in areas in our community, where there needs investment. Our freedom to chose, is a right that we have. We can use that reality and change things. I want to add that mindsets have to be challenged. It is not enough to encourage, we have to change the internal conversation. The wealthy african americans , especially musicians, should not exploit their own who are in the struggle. We like these two great men have to sincerely, figure out the appropriate blueprints and language for true equality and potential. I really have a hard time, as a parent when I feel so much of our people's music encourage very low moral and no self respect. It is portrayed as black, and I get so frustrated as I want to raise empowered women and men, who are successful but don't yield to a message of cheap sex, broken relationships, dirty money, and get high music. Enough is a enough. Bad must be called bad and good must be called good. I am not willing to support affluent african americans who do this. Somehow, they get so much play. We got to check that because its not a minor situation, it is influencing our children and our people. Enough is enough!
@TheRealNews This is what I'm thinking about for the whole time. You can't just blame the culture, that's too easy. You have to see the policies and the environment the federal government provided. The war on drugs break up families! Poverty break up families... fix the poverty problem and you will see a change in culture over time.
I’m listening to Washington’s autobiography. He knew the way out of poverty fist hand. His message is exactly what young Americans, of all races, need to hear, learn and implement.
The majority of my people don't have the hunger and deep desire for education and self sufficiency, that many freed slaves had. Their mentality has become such, that they seek out things that put and keep them in bondage, economically and educationally. They spurn the vast opportunities available to them, yet complain about their lot in life. Many have become adept at fixating their mouths on the teat of the state. Relying on the state to take care of them and their children. Sadly in many cases, these self imposed economic chains are eagerly sought by the children, when they become of age. Owning a businesses and owning property is not a thought. The parents and children are willfully ignorant. They don't know and they don't want to know. They are still slaves. There is a bondage so insidious, that the prisoner doesn’t even realize they are imprisoned.
+RBGUERILLA I agree with your statement in that you capture the conflicting visions that keep Black leaders and Black intellectuals perpetually at odds struggling over whether Approach A is better than Approach B. The complexity we as Black folks have to confront is such that we need to embrace ALL perspectives and put them all to work in order to see and experience which is the best for the different circumstances and environments in which we have to survive and thrive.
+Robert DeShay Exactly. We have to think critically about everything we plan to do and we have to execute those plans and if they fail try again until we get it right. Most intellectuals in movements had great ideas but really never did anything and never will like armchair revolutionaries. Dubois with all his criticisms of Garvey saw in the end that Garvey was actually right and became so angry he renounced his citizenship and left America. It also reminds me of the criticisms of MLK by Malcolm. He saw towards the end that Martins methods were right and planned to work with him at the same time Martin had his doubts about where the civil rights movement would take us. They were both wrong and they were both right and when they finally saw this they planned on working with eachother and they got assassinated.
+RBGUERILLA +Colly Burke The philosophies need each other to work. We always needed to develop trade, pride, AND legislation. We separate into tribes against one another so easily. Like you said, at the end of the day, we learn they agreed much more than they differed.
Although I appreciate Booker T. Washington for his efforts, I never agreed with the idea that one has to "earn" or "prove" their humanity...That can only come from one place.
They both had something to offer. Washington spoke of economics and thrift. DeBois spoke of educational excellence and advancement in civil rights. Blacks are still at the bottom of the economic ladder. While they have civil rights many times whites disregard these rights with little or no accountability. To the extent that what they preached was beneficial to all blacks I see no reason to pit them one against the other. The media does. Doing so many times helps fatten their bottom line.
@@togbeosagyefo8705 You can read Shakespeare, now what? You're still useless if you can't create something of value... Liberal education works only when you have a highly industrial society to back it up
@@togbeosagyefo8705 Tell me where are the prosperous Black neighborhoods, Black businesses, Black hospitals, Black law firms, Black farms, Black movie studios and Black automobile companies...
So, either I did not watch all of the videos in this series or this host Never addressed any Black Man with a Ph.D as ‘Doctor’…He’s ‘That type’ of liberal.
No need to be so nasty. Truthfully, I looked at what ppl were saying and picked on this ONE comment of yours b/c it is full of holes. I did not intend it as a personal attack, but to try to make you rethink a bit. I wasn't intending to insult or upset you, and sorry if I did.
note that race based statistics and media propaganda are suppose to be separate. I wanted to say for those two is using race based statistics is archaic, and media showing only blacks who are uneducated and poor (which lead to the uninformed viewer to think all blacks are uneducated and poor) is propaganda.
I think this professor has it backwards about the Obama administration being more like Booker T. ideals. Booker spoke out very specifically about race baiters, and Obama, his wife and Holder have consistently been race baiters. Debois talking about colour lines and the divide, that sounds like Obama and his fellows in a nutshell who don't seem to miss a chance to point these things out. There was a massive difference between the false face Obama put on in his campaign speeches that helped get him elected that he may have borrowed off Booker T. and the completely flipped attitude he took on once he was elected.
mycattitude lol "race baiting" there were laws on the books back then saying black people don't have the same rights as white people, the KKK was terrorizing blacks in the South, fuck outta here with your right wing nonsense Obama Is similar to Booker T cause he spent his time appeasing the other side.
other facts which can be explained easily by human nature. Cultures are the effect from the environment, they are NOT the cause. For example, gun violence amongst black men is certainly high; however, most of it is from the drug war. Look at the homicide stats between 1900 and 2000. You'll notice the spike in the 1920s and the 70s 80s and 90s, all because of prohibition (alcohol and drugs). Also, the homicide rate in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, are comparable to today's.
People can do whatever they want. Blacks didn't "ask" to be shipped to white schools - it was done forcefully. Segregation is bad in public places, but if they want to live in their own neighborhoods and have their own schools there's nothing wrong with that.
We all have to strive and work very hard to rise above low skilled jobs. That is Washington’s message and it is exactly what we all need to do. We can be more but it is not the easy path.
The most important lessons of the socalled Civil Rights Movement is that FREEDOM IS NOT GRANTED, IT IS TO BE TAKEN. The Black community is and was not strong enough to disintegrated into the greater American society. We have thrown the baby with the bath water in the eagerness to be like and liked by the White Man. South Africa has ended Apartheid, but by and large the same peoples hold the ownership of land and mines. African are still 2nd class in their homeland. A LUTA CONTINUA
So a person shouldn't work hard make their own way by being their own leader? Blacks should have leaders like the more educated blacks and if you look at today celebrities? No man should have no leader in this case no talented 10. Mind you W.E.B Dubious supported Margaret Sanger. Booker T Washington way is man's way period. What did civil rights do for us if you look at blacks today. We had family before civil rights and now we don't have that after.
Booker T Washington had an idea but not the best idea. That is why African Americans in the most part are not progressing. We are still pushed to get vocational or job oriented training to get a job. Our guidance counselors push us, our friends push us and our parents push us. "You need to make some money." If we would have taken and if we will now take the Du Bois route we would be free to move ahead and be on better playing field with whites. End result= live a better life.
Nii Aryee Liberal arts is not vocational dude... There's an over representation of blacks in the liberal arts... To many black lawyers, early childhood education teachers, psychology majors and the likes....How many blacks are avionics technicians, HVAC technicians, Mechatronics experts? You'd be surprised at how much these guys are paid yearly!
Those vocational jobs pay the most with virtually $0 worth of costs. Pushing kids to go to college just to go is the problem. At least learning a skilled trade will keep you constantly employed and never without work.
I once came up with "Washingtonians" to designate a psyche, of bureaucratic redundancy, reflected in the NDAA's umbilical cord tied to pre-Posse Comitatus (Whickey Rebellion) style federal authority. I have sine discovered William Paley, & have concluded that the law stands as such: The Crown doesn't recognize ANY of its subjects to renounce "citizenship" to England. Plebeian Americans are convinced otherwise; Washington D.C. Pseudo-citizens, military elites, & captains of industry (all sworn allegiance to "The Fed", more than "We The People") have demonstrated quite brutally, for whom they ally themselves & their children. At least 95% of "The Fed" is owned by The Crown, as serfs we are made to pay homage in all our "economic activities", towards our own impoverishment & our children's. We have always only been as free as blacks, & as citizens as Indians.
I've still yet to see a modern day black academic type or intellectual describe Booker T. Washington's view in an honest and fair way. Which actually makes lots of sense bcus they're academics not industrialists, entrepreneurs nor doers.
Black people are suffering and dying because of the failed ideas continually perpetuated by these idealists non-pragmatic folks.
Agreed.
@alllove6874 so your saying we are looking at it all wrong?
@@bobbydrake07017 Indeed
I don't think Washington was advocating for assimilation but rather, noticing how immigrant communities came to flourish, he advocated building financially strong Black communities. This strategy, I believe, may still prove useful to the African American community if we can bring ourselves to build and support Black-owned businesses. We could pull ourselves out of economic recession and resolve our unemployment problem if only we stopped believing, as Dubois did for a long time, in civil equity.
Yeah, I think this guy is insulated from the struggles of black Americans and cannot see that the problems of today are that we went the DuBois route and it is not working.
Champaign Leftists....
There's a lot more to it. Booker T. was mercilessly destroyed by people in Du Bois' camp. God forbid the black man should actually try to self improve.
Exactly. W.E.B Dubious is like these black celebrities and intellectuals who constantly tell other blacks what they can't do because they are our(leaders) talented 10. No man should have a leader.
I don’t find this discussion to be a fair depiction of Booker T. Washington‘s views. This makes it seem as though he somehow conceded civil rights for Black people.
Booker T. Washington had the right idea.
the idea of neo liberalism and pull yourself up by your boot straps ideology while down playing the real substance of black decline as a whole but pointing to exceptionalism of the few....." pull yourself up by your bootstraps....only works if you've been given a pair of bootstraps " Illhan Omaar
@@bobbydrake07017 Lmfao you idiot that's MLK, I can't believe you attributed that to that communist. Educate yourself.
@@thesultanofsmack5957
He wasn't. Malcolm is a black racist
@@bobbydrake07017 The ONLY way to get bootstraps is for someone to give them to you? Wow, why ever try to get your own bootstraps if they must be given to you?
See? Ya have been conditioned to need someone to do for you because they think you are unable to do for yourself.
@@bobbydrake07017
Illhan Omaar came to America from war torn Somalia, what the hell does she know about Black America when she was saved by a group of White people...
BTW Focuses on individual responsibility, Dubois focuses on societal issues.
This seems to present that Dubois had the better idea. NO ! Both are correct. I think it is more imperative to get the personal responsibility (cultural) issues corrected otherwise you can't take advantage of societal benefits.
I am a fan of Garvey and Booker T Washington. I think Dubois" pan African ism was later to come. he went to Harvard and formed alliances with educated white America. After seeing that unity in this country was impossible he left and moved to Ghana. Garvey brought pride and culture to the masses not just those that would enter into white universities/ Liberal education doesn't have to reflect European arts and values only.
African in the diaspora don't need to read Shakespear we need to manage or natural resources and learn about each other!
thank you i see your view point
exactly WEB was a back boule member clown, knowing shakespeare wont do shit for blacks.
Actually, Du bois was a Pan-Africanist as early as 1900.
And yet he took his black ass to London.
DuBois was the creater of pan Africanist the hell are you talking about.
I understand the mindset of both men. This is what effects African Americans still today. We have great minds standing for the right causes but not in a unified manner. In my opinion Mr. Booker T. Washington was simply employing a brilliant strategy. He knew that with education, vocation and economic strength, eventually civil rights would not be merely a futile request, but a obvious demand. With that being said we still needed the thinking of Mr. W.E.B. Du Bois.
The De Bois path has run its course and helped bring civil rights into law. Now it is time to embrace the Washington path. Put the victim mentality behind and become the Doctors, Engineers, Architects, Entrepreneurs, Computer Scientists, and role models that America is in so much need of. I’m listening to Washington’s memoir and if we judge based on character, Booker T. Washington is one of America’s greatest heroes. What an incredible example for us all. Regardless of ancestry.
Victim mentality? The Same guy who graduated from Harvard.
Yes he graduated from Harvard but it was Booker T. Washington George Washington Carver and Louis Adams that created the Tuskeegee Institute. That’ institution show that blacks were able to prevail you talk to you about pan Africanism in earth stuff that’s just you talking that’s great and I’m glad but Booker T. Washington was about teaching people how to fish not just feeding them for the day and we all know how that one goes. Yes WEB Du Bois had a Lotta good things, but Booker T. Washington founded in institution that still here today. We fail to realize that growth in the community and individual person can do many things.Even Malcolm X said erase is like an individual person who he does not show his own talents fills the help that we succeed you have to be able to succeed as an individual and group as well as your people before you can start talking about other things. Booker T. Washington was trying to get people to grow as a community. I can’t see anything wrong with that after all he was the first black man to eat at the White House with Theodore Roosevelt.
So true
@@cowlico My only. Issue with Washington and alot people have a similar idea about him. Why must we continue to proved our selves even after slavery was supposedly over? He argue fora alot for blacks but when faced with certain topics he often deflected or said change will happen in due time. How about the present?
Michael Washington Washington had the right idea in the sense of learning to fish for ourselves, He saw us as a people being able to educate ourselves and at some point even govern ourselves, least we forget the first blacks out of slavery that went into congress went into which party? Remember the reconstruction era, Booker T Washington grew up in that, he saw a bit better than most of the time. Washington was from the last generation of black American leaders born into slavery and became the leading voice of the former slaves and their descendants. They were newly oppressed in the South by disenfranchisement and the Jim Crow discriminatory laws enacted in the post-Reconstruction Southern states in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Washington was a key proponent of African-American businesses and one of the founders of the National Negro Business League. His base was the Tuskegee Institute, a historically black college he founded in Tuskegee, Alabama. As lynchings in the South reached a peak in 1895, Washington gave a speech, known as the "Atlanta compromise", which brought him national fame. He called for black progress through education and entrepreneurship, rather than trying to challenge directly the Jim Crow segregation and the disenfranchisement of black voters in the South. And I can understand how that doesn’t sit well with many to a very small point! However, I have to say the man was on to something and had others listened just a bit... imagine where we as a people would be today! Look we all know that his long-term goal was to end the disenfranchisement of the vast majority of African Americans, who then still lived in the South. His legacy has been very controversial to the civil rights community, even today as he was an important leader of that community before 1915.
It's unfortunate that they couldn't have worked together.
Same as king and malcolm
Right, got to set aside those differences for the big picture.
An an incredible conversation that is fitting for these times. Great to see there is still an arena for adult conversation.
This was very helpful in clarifying the difference had between Washington and Du Bois. Thank you!
We still have Plessy vs Ferguson today only in a different manner. Plessy vs Ferguson dealt with whites keeping their privilege and they have still managed to keep it. Washington knew whites weren't going to be fair with blacks. He also knew blacks were not going to physically turn against whites. He also knew, even at that time, people with wealth fared better. His advice was get off your butt and get some. Of course he knew it would be hard but what other choices did blacks have. They could leave the country and go to Europe if they could afford it. They could throw in with DuBois and protest which they still do today to no avail. He also founded Tuskegee University. DuBois was a founder of the NAACP. You must ask yourself which of these institutions have served us best through the years and continue to do so today.
yet the university Washington founded was the same place where blacks were injected STDs and tested on, meanwhile NAACP has passed policies that have uplifted us somewhat. Both are flawed
Actually, Tuskegee Experiment was US gov't-based. Has nothing to do with the university.
@@BlackTiePres3nts The subjects already had syphilis, they weren't injected with it. And most of them lived to be a ripe age. Also, Washington died about 50 years before the experiments took place.
I agree totally. Any business that can loosen us from the prevalent economic system is beneficial for the individual & the community. Complimentary & alternative economies will also help. The prevalent system can't be sustained & when it collapses, the more we're plugged into it, the more we'll collapse too. Local businesses, local politics, community banks, alternative economies, co--ops, cash crops, etc. are what's going to liberate us all from economic & political tyranny, imo.
Booker T❤
"...he has as college chaplain, a classical graduate of Atlanta University; as teacher of science, a graduate of Fisk; as teacher of history, a graduate of Smith,-indeed some thirty of his chief teachers are college graduates, and instead of studying French grammars in the midst of weeds, or buying pianos for dirty cabins, they are at Mr. Washington's right hand helping him in a noble work. "~ W.E.B. DuBois
Some good info along with some speculation based on preferred point of view
The Du Bois v Washington positions did and still speaks to two separate black audiences. But that is not to remove from the fact that Dubois clearly wanted back- what belongs to Blacks: their self worth and dignity. With no further delay. While Washington's path was to slowly gain back black rights and humanity. We are not to know how the latter would have worked out.
I believe that you’re way off here. Your dignity and self-worth comes from within, not the outside world. But the industrial knowledge that Booker T Washington advocates for us still missing in the black community over 100 years later.
So now, a century later Black America is still lagging behind from and economic standpoint as we went with Du Bois’ plan, which is effectively socialism. But over this past century, we’ve seen minority class after minority class come into this country, run with Washington’s plan of putting economic security first, and we watch them all pass us by.
@@subj3ctt0chang3 , many black immigrant communities used Booker T. Washington's model of success, and they surpassed the Black Americans who have lived several generations in the United States.
@@subj3ctt0chang3 I hear ya point. When would it have been acceptable to ask for basic human rights with Booker T Washington model?
Michael Washington he literally brought this up during the Atlanta Exposition speech.
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Blacks wouldn't have to ask for basic human rights when you have your own school, farms, land ownership, neighborhoods, businesses, corporations, hospitals, law firms and entertainment production companies. You don't ask for something you already have when it's yours. That is a slave mentality.
Id like to leave behind a similar legacy. These are among the men I admire...
Booker T. Washington was a hard worker and founder of countless schools for African-Americans throughout the south. One could say he believed in rugged individualism and that blacks could achieve greatness if they aquired education and skills and eventually they would prove themselves to the white community and be given rights because of their accomplishments. Obama on the other hand said in a speech that American rugged indiviualism has never worked.
I felt that if Du Bois and Washington could have worked together a great change could have came about. Washington was thinking in that moment. We just became freed slaves, no money no education, not a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out. You can't go demanding respect from people who don't even value you as a human being. Get off your tail and make a life for yourself. Du Bois saw it as a bunch of butt kissing and crack wiping. We should not have to ask for something that should been giving to us. If you start kissing but you will never get respect and you may be freed but you're still be slaves to the whites. Educate yourself and rise above not lowering yourself any lower.
Blacks followed the DuBois plan and look at us today. Kissing Biden's White ass for reparations, voting rights, Welfare and other issues the race hustlers have at their disposal... Under Booker T., at least we'd have our own property...
what the real news needs is a lot of Dr. Thomas Sowell & Dr. Walter Williams with a dash of Lard Elder
It's funny how I use to think Booker To Washington was a uncle Tom...However he proved his ways were very much needed..but there would not be a black president in office multiple millionare black ass business owners and and a whole host of other high ranking blacks in the United States without We . Dubois.
ever heard of 'black wallstreet'? Dubois got it all wrong. and that professor too.
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what did Washington have to do with black wall street
seriously
kaliym shabazz he said that black's should build there own economy first.
Can't say what he had to do with it but he did visit it and commend the merchants and business owners. It made him proud to see such progress. I suspect lots of them were inspired by his philosophy.
Capitalism?
Excellent
We needed not barter our manhood for the sake of gain.
"But to me it depends on why you're trying to self-improve." I find that an odd statement, even in its context. I think that the attitude of trying to improve oneself is always admirable. I hope that our "true self" (an abstract and totally subjective term, kind of like "soulmate") always wants to improve. I also disagree with your last statement, but hey, at least you are thinking and expressing your opinions. Maybe think a bit more a/b using words like "always" and "wrong".
If we had used the Booker T. model we would be better off today...
+Colly Burke You are absolutely correct! I think of Booker T as the master Black innovator and visionary of his day -- and this day, even. None of the "leaders" of the Civil Rights Industry, whose tepid and self-pitying ideas have reigned unchallenged for almost FOUR decades now, have delivered anything close to Booker T's accomplishments.
That's TWO decades of the "Booker T. Washington Era," from 1895 to his suspicious and untimely death at the age of 55 in 1915; compared to the almost FOUR decades that these leaders have had us chasing the most elusive and unproductive goals.
Every ethnic group that has emigrated to the U.S. has pursued the uplift strategy advocated by Booker T. Washington: economic empowerment and self-sufficiency BEFORE political objectives. History, both past and very recent, is putting the lie to the illusions that have been sold Black folks as truth.
So much of our collective time and energy has been depleted by these so-called "leaders" and their propaganda-purveying "intellectuals."
How did "Uncle Tom" come to be associated with a man of such heroic achievements as Booker T. Washington?
Jason Eric Well said
Yes we would have Booker T would have lead Black people in the right direction
I'd recommend reading "We Ain’t What We Ought To Be: The Black Freedom Struggle from Emancipation to Obama" by Stephen Tuck. It highlights the limitations of Booker T. Washington's model and even suggests how towards the end of his life Washington too began to realise that his model of simply trying to be "responsible, reliable American citizens" was not enough to deliver equality and justice. Indeed, Paul Dunbar's story "The Lynching of Jude Benson" only goes to show that in a deeply, racist society, submission and hard-work was not enough to save the black man from the white man's ire.
Damn straight !
Very interesting! Perhaps because I was raised in the white suburbs, I know the name "Booker T. Washington" and not the name "Du Bois." Thanks, Real News, you keep opening my eyes! Wow!
Yes. I agree. We should do what's right, though I doubt that you believe that right and wrong are objective.
You guys must read more.. there's is a world of information out there waiting for you.. It's refreshing to see a White American interested in 'other' aspects of American history. If your really interested in Pan-Africanism and African American history, you should look up George Washington Williams and Marcus Garvey as well. There are innumerable Interesting Black figures in the civil rights struggles. If you're interested in modern issues we face, you should look up Michelle Alexander.
Yes, I think you have issues. If I were to attend a Japanese school because I believed that I could receive a better education there, I would probably be quite self aware, perhaps even a bit embarrassed. However, I would be willing to deal with any embarrassment in order to receive that better education.
I love the educated feedback up here. I believe that our race issues were initiated by those who fought for white supremacy. If there was not white supremacy, we could treat people as people without stepping on toes. So, I think when we talk about such issues, we have to both clean house and encourage our people to move forward. What all people should realize is that there are both good and bad people in every community. There are diligent people and not so diligent people. There are people who are content and there are people who are hungry. The race issues in this country are so prominent, that we have to address the systems, but also, have the integrity and the heart to speak and invest in areas in our community, where there needs investment. Our freedom to chose, is a right that we have. We can use that reality and change things. I want to add that mindsets have to be challenged. It is not enough to encourage, we have to change the internal conversation. The wealthy african americans , especially musicians, should not exploit their own who are in the struggle. We like these two great men have to sincerely, figure out the appropriate blueprints and language for true equality and potential. I really have a hard time, as a parent when I feel so much of our people's music encourage very low moral and no self respect. It is portrayed as black, and I get so frustrated as I want to raise empowered women and men, who are successful but don't yield to a message of cheap sex, broken relationships, dirty money, and get high music. Enough is a enough. Bad must be called bad and good must be called good. I am not willing to support affluent african americans who do this. Somehow, they get so much play. We got to check that because its not a minor situation, it is influencing our children and our people. Enough is enough!
W.E.B. Du Bois was not the funder of Pan-Africanism, it was the great Marcus Garvey !!
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This is what I'm thinking about for the whole time. You can't just blame the culture, that's too easy. You have to see the policies and the environment the federal government provided.
The war on drugs break up families! Poverty break up families... fix the poverty problem and you will see a change in culture over time.
I’m listening to Washington’s autobiography. He knew the way out of poverty fist hand. His message is exactly what young Americans, of all races, need to hear, learn and implement.
The majority of my people don't have the
hunger and deep desire for education and self sufficiency, that many freed slaves had. Their mentality has become such, that they seek out things that put and keep them in bondage, economically and educationally. They spurn the vast opportunities available to them, yet complain about their lot in life. Many have become adept at fixating their mouths on the teat of the state. Relying on the state to take care of them and their children. Sadly in many cases, these self imposed economic chains are eagerly sought by the children, when they become of age. Owning a businesses and owning property is not a thought. The parents and children are willfully ignorant. They don't know and they don't want to know. They are still slaves. There is a bondage so insidious, that the prisoner doesn’t even realize they are imprisoned.
Whether it's Du bois, Garvey or Washington they were all right and they were all wrong. This was a complex issue then and it still is today.
+RBGUERILLA I agree with your statement in that you capture the conflicting visions that keep Black leaders and Black intellectuals perpetually at odds struggling over whether Approach A is better than Approach B. The complexity we as Black folks have to confront is such that we need to embrace ALL perspectives and put them all to work in order to see and experience which is the best for the different circumstances and environments in which we have to survive and thrive.
+Robert DeShay Exactly. We have to think critically about everything we plan to do and we have to execute those plans and if they fail try again until we get it right. Most intellectuals in movements had great ideas but really never did anything and never will like armchair revolutionaries. Dubois with all his criticisms of Garvey saw in the end that Garvey was actually right and became so angry he renounced his citizenship and left America. It also reminds me of the criticisms of MLK by Malcolm. He saw towards the end that Martins methods were right and planned to work with him at the same time Martin had his doubts about where the civil rights movement would take us. They were both wrong and they were both right and when they finally saw this they planned on working with eachother and they got assassinated.
+RBGUERILLA +Colly Burke The philosophies need each other to work. We always needed to develop trade, pride, AND legislation. We separate into tribes against one another so easily. Like you said, at the end of the day, we learn they agreed much more than they differed.
Thank you for the cogent and illuminating response.
Although I appreciate Booker T. Washington for his efforts, I never agreed with the idea that one has to "earn" or "prove" their humanity...That can only come from one place.
They both had something to offer. Washington spoke of economics and thrift. DeBois spoke of educational excellence and advancement in civil rights. Blacks are still at the bottom of the economic ladder. While they have civil rights many times whites disregard these rights with little or no accountability. To the extent that what they preached was beneficial to all blacks I see no reason to pit them one against the other. The media does. Doing so many times helps fatten their bottom line.
First African American... Sorry someone had to spell that out for you...
DuBois set us back
Tyrone Wade fake news
@@togbeosagyefo8705 You can read Shakespeare, now what? You're still useless if you can't create something of value... Liberal education works only when you have a highly industrial society to back it up
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Tell me where are the prosperous Black neighborhoods, Black businesses, Black hospitals, Black law firms, Black farms, Black movie studios and Black automobile companies...
"Always", in this case is erroneous, and of the handful of things that I can think of that are truly "always wrong", this isn't one of them.
So, either I did not watch all of the videos in this series or this host Never addressed any Black Man with a Ph.D as ‘Doctor’…He’s ‘That type’ of liberal.
Barrack is nothing like M red.Booker T.Washington smh Not a fair comparison
No need to be so nasty. Truthfully, I looked at what ppl were saying and picked on this ONE comment of yours b/c it is full of holes. I did not intend it as a personal attack, but to try to make you rethink a bit. I wasn't intending to insult or upset you, and sorry if I did.
note that race based statistics and media propaganda are suppose to be separate. I wanted to say for those two is using race based statistics is archaic, and media showing only blacks who are uneducated and poor (which lead to the uninformed viewer to think all blacks are uneducated and poor) is propaganda.
The first "person" to receive a Harvard Ph.D.?
Tsnore yes
Tsnore he misspoke. He meant back person.
I think this professor has it backwards about the Obama administration being more like Booker T. ideals. Booker spoke out very specifically about race baiters, and Obama, his wife and Holder have consistently been race baiters. Debois talking about colour lines and the divide, that sounds like Obama and his fellows in a nutshell who don't seem to miss a chance to point these things out.
There was a massive difference between the false face Obama put on in his campaign speeches that helped get him elected that he may have borrowed off Booker T. and the completely flipped attitude he took on once he was elected.
+mycattitude Define race baiting for me please....
mycattitude lol "race baiting" there were laws on the books back then saying black people don't have the same rights as white people, the KKK was terrorizing blacks in the South, fuck outta here with your right wing nonsense
Obama Is similar to Booker T cause he spent his time appeasing the other side.
other facts which can be explained easily by human nature. Cultures are the effect from the environment, they are NOT the cause. For example, gun violence amongst black men is certainly high; however, most of it is from the drug war.
Look at the homicide stats between 1900 and 2000. You'll notice the spike in the 1920s and the 70s 80s and 90s, all because of prohibition (alcohol and drugs). Also, the homicide rate in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, are comparable to today's.
Booker T Washington was right
People can do whatever they want. Blacks didn't "ask" to be shipped to white schools - it was done forcefully. Segregation is bad in public places, but if they want to live in their own neighborhoods and have their own schools there's nothing wrong with that.
nail on the head. rather difficult to "raise yourself up" when capitalists pay you shit based on a "low skill job" that they themselves designed
We all have to strive and work very hard to rise above low skilled jobs. That is Washington’s message and it is exactly what we all need to do. We can be more but it is not the easy path.
Marcus Garvey founder of freedom movement however you want to label it at the turn of the century
Nice.
Booker T and Obama were correct. Culture matters.
The most important lessons of the socalled Civil Rights Movement is that FREEDOM IS NOT GRANTED, IT IS TO BE TAKEN.
The Black community is and was not strong enough to disintegrated into the greater American society. We have thrown the baby with the bath water in the eagerness to be like and liked by the White Man.
South Africa has ended Apartheid, but by and large the same peoples hold the ownership of land and mines. African are still 2nd class in their homeland.
A LUTA CONTINUA
I never voted for Obama and as a Black person I am proud of that fact.
That's respectable only if you chose not to vote for him for the correct reasons.
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I'm no Booker T...I am down with Dubois.
So a person shouldn't work hard make their own way by being their own leader? Blacks should have leaders like the more educated blacks and if you look at today celebrities? No man should have no leader in this case no talented 10. Mind you W.E.B Dubious supported Margaret Sanger. Booker T Washington way is man's way period. What did civil rights do for us if you look at blacks today. We had family before civil rights and now we don't have that after.
So telling Black fathers to take care of your kids is Booker T. Wsshingtonish???!! FOH
Booker T Washington had an idea but not the best idea. That is why African Americans in the most part are not progressing. We are still pushed to get vocational or job oriented training to get a job. Our guidance counselors push us, our friends push us and our parents push us. "You need to make some money." If we would have taken and if we will now take the Du Bois route we would be free to move ahead and be on better playing field with whites. End result= live a better life.
Nii Aryee Liberal arts is not vocational dude... There's an over representation of blacks in the liberal arts... To many black lawyers, early childhood education teachers, psychology majors and the likes....How many blacks are avionics technicians, HVAC technicians, Mechatronics experts? You'd be surprised at how much these guys are paid yearly!
@@theinternetsavedmylife Law is literally the least diverse profession in the nation look it up.
Those vocational jobs pay the most with virtually $0 worth of costs. Pushing kids to go to college just to go is the problem. At least learning a skilled trade will keep you constantly employed and never without work.
I prefer equal rights.
DuBois was right!
I once came up with "Washingtonians" to designate a psyche, of bureaucratic redundancy, reflected in the NDAA's umbilical cord tied to pre-Posse Comitatus (Whickey Rebellion) style federal authority. I have sine discovered William Paley, & have concluded that the law stands as such: The Crown doesn't recognize ANY of its subjects to renounce "citizenship" to England. Plebeian Americans are convinced otherwise; Washington D.C. Pseudo-citizens, military elites, & captains of industry (all sworn allegiance to "The Fed", more than "We The People") have demonstrated quite brutally, for whom they ally themselves & their children. At least 95% of "The Fed" is owned by The Crown, as serfs we are made to pay homage in all our "economic activities", towards our own impoverishment & our children's. We have always only been as free as blacks, & as citizens as Indians.