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When a bastard becomes head of household the household sigil becomes inverted... The Starks are a gray wolf on a white field, So when Jon Snow a bastard becomes the head of house Stark the sigil becomes a white wolf on a gray field,.. Jon Snow is the white wolf
"He won the battle of the bastards". No, he was on the winning side. Big difference. He did nothing other than take part in it. If anything, Jon Snow was the least worthy person to be called King/Queen in this show...hell, even Cersei killed her way to the top. Jon was just born and given it for being there.
The purpose of the scene with Arya and the Lannister soldiers is to show that in war, not everything is black and white. They're soldiers serving a certain house. Doesn't necessarily mean they're horrible people. They're just people. They're just soldiers following orders and fighting for someone else's war.
And that “good heartedness” they see in their behavior is just naivety about the world they really live in. One of them says “my mom always said if you treat strangers with kindness, they’ll treat you the same,” and that’s hardly the case in this world. Many have and will take advantage of kindness
yup. unless you belong tot he ruling families and therefore directly benefit from their dominion over these lands, you're just a shmuck who happens to be born somewhere, enlisted in a war, and not be able to say no. the ed sheeran cameo really just annoys me because it's so distracting to that otherwise good message
@@alichaudhry2561nah dany is far better than those 2 politically incompetent and irrational fools dont compare her to them especially to Daemon out of everyone💀💀 she is nothing like Rhaenyra and Daemon thank god for that she is a good human and cares about the common folks..she actually has qualities of a good ruler unlike those 2 tbh
The Hound's journey from "Killing is the sweetest thing there is" all the way to "I'm sorry you're dead. You deserved better" is one of my favorite arcs in the show.
That's why i wrote once that they should re-watch episode 1 now, of HOTD, i mean. It hits so much more when you are a fan of GoT before you watch HOTD.
"They're too nice to be Lannisters!" Guys remember, these aren't members of the actual family. They're just citizens of the Lannister kingdom in the Westerlands, enlisted as soldiers, but the Lannister army numbers 60,000, the largest city in the Westerlands, Lannisport, alone numbers 250,000 people, do you really think every last one are villains? Of course not, they're just people who owe fealty and service to their liege lords like all others. Some are kind, some are evil. The three Stark levies whom Brienne killed were hardly heroes were they? We have to see the individuals behind the born loyalties.
then most of the Lannisters (family) are cute in the book. Apart from Tywin (who is stern for necessity) and his sons the other cousins and uncles are kind. Even Lancel, in the end isn't evil, he's just vain.
Jon’s the White Wolf mostly because of Ghost. Acknowledged bastards of lords were allowed to carry their family sigils but with the colours reversed - while Ned and Robb would have carried the grey direwolf on a field of white, Jon’s would have been a white wolf on a grey background. I can’t remember if Jon carries this sigil in the books but it would still make sense to me that the northern lords had that in mind - Jon might be a bastard but he is still Stark
And that’s not even the entire list of possibilities! There are certainly theories out there that John’s mother is Ashara Dayne of Starfall. The TV didn’t choose to go in that direction, but the Starfall Baby Swap is a very valid book theory and the Daynes and the sword Starfall are too prominent in the book to mean nothing. I love R+L=J, but…
For me who watched it 1 year after the last season and kinda forgot walder died, it was quite the surprise to see arya and get reminded of it all then XD
It took Daenerys 6 seasons to get from Pentos to Dragonstone which are almost directly across the Narrow Sea from each other. The journey she went on took her 1000s of miles in the wrong direction but without it she wouldn't have made it this far.
That`s what Quaithe told her: "To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow".
@@Springheel01There were actually several musical artists that had cameo roles in Game of Thrones, but Ed Sheeran was just the most recognizable. There are lots of songs in the books, but most of the actors aren’t singers, so they would bring in singers to sing the songs. The main exception being Bronn tho. His actor is also a singer, so that’s why he sings several songs in this show
When I first saw that cold opening with Walder addressing his family, I thought it was a flashback, but it wasn't long into it that I started to realize that it was Arya using his face. David Bradley's acting in that scene was brilliant, blending little bits of Arya's speech patterns and body language with old Walder's.
Bastards use the sigil of their house but with the colours reversed, therefore Jon's sigil is a white wolf rather than the normal coloured Stark one...and which is why Theon (I believe) immediately told Jon Ghost was his when they found the litter
Theon told Jon that Ghost was his because Ghost was the runt of the litter (generally the one left behind, not as special as their other siblings) and Jon was the bastard, implying that they’re one in the same.
@@duhachowdhury3761 This is a case of book vs. show. Show Theon say that Ghost is Jon's because he is the runt. While book Theon only claims Ghost will die faster due to being an albino and Jon actually stands up for himself and tells Theon off and claims Ghost. Also contrary to the show Ghost is the largest of the litter, at least at the time Robert was at Winterfell. The show kind of neutered Jon from the start.
@@seancarroll5803why are you ruining the story for those who haven’t seen it. Season 8 is bitter sweet. I personally lived it. . Out of order for ruining the end.
"why is Jon the white wolf?" It isn't really addressed in the show, but the most popular theory is because he is a stark bastard. The stark banner is a grey wolf on a white background. When bastards raise family banners they always reverse the colours. As a result, Jon's bastard Stark banner would be a white wolf on a grey background.
@@cmudd9788 naw that is far too much of reach compared to him literally flying a banner with a white wolf on it as his sigil. You don't see them making the "white" and "snow" reference with other bastards in the north. Even arguing it is because his pet direwolf is white would be a better theory.
28:49 it’s almost like they are good and bad soldiers on every side 🤨 Stark men hanged tavern girls simply for sleeping with lannister soldiers back in s3 and now lannister soliders offer arya free food. it’s seems like the world isn’t just black or white spartan :)
correct. I don't know why that was so hard to read for them? Pudgy and Spartan were a bit confused by it. If anything this show is more grey than black and white.
He's a lost cause - pumped to the tits every time his man Jon comes on the scene and spitting bile at the sight of Cersei. This show has been all shades of grey from the get-go.
Absolutely, grrm himself said, that there's is no "good vs bad" - that's why asoiaf amd the first seasons of GoT are so good, and that's also why the show gets worse
Nah Cersi deserves all the vitriol she got/gets. I despise her and found practically nothing redeeming about her. Not any real gray to her at all. Same for walder frey and others. I agree with the overall point. But that doesn't mean there are some very black and white characters overall.
I remember when I first watched this episode, the last scene where Daenerys said “Shall we begin?” got me so hyped! Also, after several rewatches, Sandor Clegane is by far my favorite character in the whole series.
The scene with the Lannister soldiers just goes to show that there are good guys and bad guys on both sides of the war. In most cases there isn't a big difference between soldiers holding different banners, most of them would rather be doing anything else than fight in a war. The thing that seemed a little off was having Ed Sheerans face right on the screen that completely threw me out of the scene and this world.
Most people hate all of house Lannisters for Cersei, Joffrey or Tywin even through most come to like Tyrion and often Jamie too while doing so. Mycella and Tommen are also arguably two of the more pure hearted characters. But yeah Footsoldiers are the only tied to their house through the land they live on and depend on the wage to feed their families and also want to keep the armies of other Houses away from the Land their Families dwell in. Can´t judge them for the Nobility that rules them
Si vas siguiendo la lógica de la historia te lo vienes venir, a mí no me impactó para nada. Siempre me imaginé que era ella. Además, no estamos acostumbrados a los flshbacks en esta serie, excepto por Bran y su sentido del cuervo de tres ojos.
For me best part of s7 is Dany arriving at Dragonstone. It's true home of Targeryens and dragons. It's not King's Landing it's dragonstone where they belong. Rest of season is crazy fast pacing.
That's actually one of the worst parts, it makes no sense one of the biggest castle in Westeros is empty, Cersei just lets her take it because the script says so, a few soldiers can hold the castle for months, Stannis was able to do this, that's how he was granted the castle, that's how Davos got his name 'Ser Onion'... Dragons would be useless here as she wouldn't use them to destroy an ancestral seat and lose a stronghold, nothing makes sense anymore...
@jamesmswenko8292 Stannis did not hold Dragonstone during Robert's Rebellion, he held the Baratheon ancestral home of Storms End which is where Davos slipped in with his onions. Robert gave Stannis Dragonstone after the war. Dany was in fact born right after the war on Dragonstone during a massive storm, thus the Daenerys Stormborn title. Stannis was only given Dragonstone because at the time Robert became king, Stannis was crown prince; and he hated Robert for giving him Dragonstone and giving Storms End to Renly.
@@Jon.A.Scholt Ahh Yes, Stannis took Dragonstone from the Targaryens for Robert, the siege of Dragonstone happens much later, Aurane Waters reported to Cersei about the bloodbath of the Lannister besiegers, close to a thousand men killed and Loras gravely wounded... You get my point, Stannis doesn't leave the castle unprotected.
@@jamesmswenko8292 I'll be interested to see what kind of shape Loras is actually in, you know, when The Winds of Winter comes out next week...😭 But seriously, there are all sorts of theories about Loras and the serious burns he sustained. Though theorizes is all us fans have been able to do for a dozen years....
The maesters don't make the wildfire, the pyromancers do. They are a separate order, they're still alive and still able to make more, but it takes a decent amount of time. It's unlikely they used up all of it blowing up the sept though. According to the stories told, they previously had enough to torch the entire city.
Yeah, that would be Wisdom Hallyne they’re talking about. I know Roy Dotrice passed away in 2017, but I hadn’t really thought about whether or not the character was also considered deceased since that time.
It makes me emotional that Dany is finally at the place where the boy (Viserys) that Rhaenyra gave brith to and will keep the family going until her. Where the table is now is where Rhaenyra and Daemon's bedroom used to be. It is sad the room was re-made to a place of war instead of a living space 🥺❤
I wasn't sure whether it was a flashback of before Arya killed Walder, with perhaps Arya being revealed as sitting in the crowd, disguised, as we hadn't seen anything of Arya returning, beyond her telling Jaqen that she was going home, and then showing up at the Twins. But halfway through I realized it was Arya about to murder the whole rest of the Freys.
The lannister soldiers scene is just to give different perspectives of people within the armies. Just like that one scene where the stark soldiers killed those women, violated them and hung them; before Brienne avenged them. Basically there is good and bad on both sides. And Arya's joke on killing the Queen is hilarious 😂 because she knows whether they believe her or not its what she intends to do. The group laughed so she decided to laugh along but shes dead serious lol
Most of the people fighting in the armies are not professional soldiers, they are ordinary common people recruited in times of war and forced to fight for their lords.
Yeah great on Sansa for lying to Jon about Littlefinger. Great on her for holding information from Jon about the Knights of the Veil. Good on her to come in at the end of the battle to make all about her. Such a winner she is.
@@sparks3705 My dude. I don't disagree with you. It made no sense. But it doesn't change the fact that her aid, coming from the Vale, is what transformed the battled from defeat to victory. I hate how it happened. I'm on the record saying S5 to S8 are shit. But that's what happened in the show. Even Jon said so himself and the end of S6.
@Mic-Mak I dunno. I guess I just get tired of all the Sansa praise when she's actually quite a horrible person. Jon (most likely) wouldn't have even been in the losing position if Sansa just told him from the start about the veil and littlefinger. He even gave her countless opportunities to tell him when she kept going on and on about not having enough men and Jon telling her it's all they have. In fact, I would have had more respect and gratuity for Sansa saving the day if she would have told Jon about getting the Kights of the Viel to join their cause instead of bringing em in in the desperate hour she created for Jon. And I truly believe Sansa is the sole reason for Jon being at the brink of defeat and getting many people killed because of her selfish reasoning of wanting to save the day. To stand back as to say "look how good I helped", etc...
@@sparks3705 Two things can be true at the same time. Sansa can be awfully selfish for not telling Jon about the Vale, AND at the same time, Jon is selfish and a usurper for taking over the ruling of the North, when he knows damn well it should be Sansa. Both of these things are a testament to the horrible writing of the show. All the grievances you have about Sansa, I have shared in my comments for S&P's Battle of the Bastards video. Hre is exactly what I wrote about Sansa in the comments of that video: *_I hate what the show did to Sansa's character in these last couple of episodes._*_ It strenuously contorts the plot and her moral values to absolve her of the terrible compromises that unavoidably come with the decision that she makes. This makes her motivations unclear and confusing._ _Either Sansa planned Littlefinger's late arrival at the Battle of the Bastards, - in which case she's responsible for the carnage, which exposes her willingness to sacrifice both Jon & Rickon to win her little game of thrones. Or, she didn't plan LF's late arrival and gets little credit for the victory. She just got lucky._ _By that logic, that makes Sansa either _*_dumb AND virtuous_*_ for not telling Jon about the Vale, or she is _*_evil AND cunning,_*_ because she's clearly willing to sacrifice both her brothers to win the battle. The show tries to make her virtuous and cunning, as if neither of those scenarios come with bad consequences that make her look bad. And it seems to have worked on most of the audience._ _The audience definitely questions Sansa's decision not to tell Jon about the army of the Vale, but they don't think out the full ramifications of what that means, which is that Jon & Rickon are disposable to her. And S7 seems to reaffirm that. _*_Lilli Loofbourow,_*_ a critic who has not read the books, wrote a brilliant article for this episode called _*_Game of Thrones Has a Sansa Problem,_*_ and it goes into the details of what is wrong with the writing._
Sansa is the *only* reason Jon won. Without the cavalry, Jon and his forces would have succumbed to a superior commander with a perfect battle plan. Ramsay was a scumbag, but he was no dummy. He played Jon effortlessly, and Jon, in typical Stark fashion (more balls than brains), played along perfectly. Strictly speaking, he is a Targaryen, of course, but his mentality is Stark, having been raised by Ned and grown up alongside Robb, both of who could have done with some additional brains.
Miguel Sapochnik was the Director for those episodes. He won Emmys for them and a few more. I won't tell😊🙏 He was also the lead Director for the house of the dragons
Those Lannister soldiers were just soldiers not part of the noble family or anything, It’s not so shocking that they could be decent people. Soldiers in every army in every war throughout history have usually just been conscripted to fight for the lord who happens to have jurisdiction over their land. A farm boy fighting hundreds of miles from his home probably doesn’t care or is even aware of the politics that lead to the war he’s fighting in.
What is with this off-the-charts hate for Cersei - playing to the audience? I think you might have miscalculated. We all know she's a bitch, but most of us have her in the "love to hate" category. I would also argue that most can at least *appreciate* for her motivations. And then we have Spartan on the verge of exploding whenever Jon comes on the scene as if his great, epic destiny is about to manifest any second. They've both become more black and white as the story has progressed - Spartan in particular. All I can say is, it's gonna be hilarious in several weeks.
Totally agree with you. I don't want to spoil, but Cersei is not intended to be a Joffrey or Ramsey. She's not a villain, full stop. She's meant to be something else and even the scenes to come should reflect that (and I believe they do in some way). I can't say more, but I hope you get what I mean.
Yeah at least Pudgey offers constructive criticism when it comes to Cersei, Spartan just blindly hates her which leaves no room for critical thinking or acknowledgements.
Watching this ep, long time apart from the last ep, I remember thinking it was a flashback, it was so much time apart so yeah, it felt mind-blowing for me😅 and Arya words were the best part, always a reminder of Ned, he was also here, he was always there.
The way I see it - Ramsay was a villain. The Night King is a villain. Cersei ... is more complicated. Let's look at things from a more favorable perspective: she lost her mother at a very young age, for which she transferred her grief and rage onto Tyrion. Eventually, she was sold off like a brood mare to Robert, a man who never gave her a chance, could never love her and choose instead to drown himself in booze and whoring. Her father was Tywin Lannister - a man who put family legacy before any affection for his immediate family. A man who drilled the importance of survival into Cersei from day dot. The only love and connection to be found was with Jamie and then of course - her children - one of which turned out to be a monster (flip the coin...). Eventually, it all starts to unravel. Her monstrous son (whom she still loved unconditionally) is murdered in front of her. Then she loses Tywin - who in spite of his shortcomings, was nonetheless the powerhouse that bound and secured their family. She loses her other son to the power games of others and oh, is stripped of all her finery and paraded through the streets naked. After all this, she goes on to lose the one other light in her life - her daughter. Then the mad beggars who were only positioned where they were because she had empowered them to deal with another threat want to put HER on trial - after everything they'd already put her through? No. And now, the would-be Dragon Queen wants to come and tear her down? HELL no. You WIN, or you DIE. Does any of this redeem Cersei? Not really. But it's about understanding the motivations of the character. These sorts of stories are so much richer when you can occupy the POV of all the participants. Just having an outright hate boner - save for the truly reprehensible characters like Ramsay (even he was in the love to hate category) - diminishes the character and your experience.
I'm not sure what your point is, you can understand a character and still hate them and hope they don't succeed. Tywin, Balon, Walder and so on. Also Dany isn't a "would-be" Dragon Queen, she's literally a Monarch with 3 Dragons, that is a fact.
Since you asked, Pudgey, when I first watched this ep I 100% thought this intro scene with the Freys was a flashback to a feast shortly after the red wedding. I was sooo slow figuring it out and only when she pulled off the mask, did I realize what was happening 😂
You guys are so consistent it’s refreshing. Feels like I’ve been on an actual journey with you from Season 1, rather than little moments every now and then
They call him the white wolf because historically in universe bastards have banners that are the inversion of the houses colors. House stark has white on a grey wolf. He would have grey on a white wolf banner. The white wolf.
The Hound has done some messed up things, like wanting to kill the pig farmer in season 3, or stealing the silver from that man who took him and Arya in. But even then, he was not driven by cruelty but rather a drive to survive in a harsh world. He's a cynic to be sure, but not really evil at heart.
I don't think it's spoilery to say that there are some huge battles coming up in the next 2 seasons. My absolute favorite is in season 7 and I CANNOT WAIT to watch you guys react! Don't keep me waiting too long!
@@hokagedlo6133 episode 9 of season 4 is the best one why you talking shit, the battle of the blackwater was great too. if you like the long night better than those you're a bozo
And Stannis left all of Dragonstone, it's villages and towns completely unprotected? If so, there were thousands of small folk still living there. Who obliterated them since the whole bloody island is deserted? And whoever that was, why didn't they leave at least a garrison? This is the crap that happens when you deviate from the source material!
Well, you can deviate from the source material when you pay attention, the problem was there is a lot of illogical stuff and nonsense independent of the source material. Like Bran talking random stuff and Ed is just like "well, I guess yeah, you're Brandon Stark. Because who else would talk like that"???
@@karimabidi8312 Truth be told, even though I started reading the books only after I watched S1 2 years after it first aired, I could forgive much that was left out in the show. Too many smaller houses and names to remember. House Redwyn, House Manderly (Never mind House High Tower, sneaky juggernauts in Old Town since forever.) Suddenly turning Bran into "Eye stare, who would talk like that" when the previous 3 eyed raven trapped in a tree for hundreds of years had no problem communicating coherently. Indeed, sometimes D&D's deviation from source material, for example Arya's and Tywin's scenes in Harrenhal were terrific. As were a few other adaptations and that was why I still hoped..... Silly me!
@@BhBc8f8 Hehe!🤣 Of course they did except that Storm's End, yet another "magical" castle is never mentioned again. Edit: until whatever BS comes next.
I think Jon having a White Direwolf (the only one alive south of the wall), having "Snow" as his surname and being the leader of House Stark are pleanty of reasons to be called The White Wolf.
I can't stand the fact that Arya is now basically a Faceless man, within only a year or so, without repercussions for betraying the REAL faceless men. Makes no sense at all.
When this episode was shown most were puzzled because we knew Frey was dead. I remember thinking it must be a flashback until he didn't drink the wine. I think you two must have the powers of Bran to call out all the major scenes correctly. Well done!
Lol.... Spartan is the dumbest idiot.... Like literally, every season he's so sure cersei's going to die and everytime she proves him wrong but his idiot a$$ is always ignorant....
“Because you’ve had different experiences, you’re going to have different outlooks on these big decisions.” You already understand Sansa more than most people. Thank you!
Great reaction! It's interesting what you both said about the Hound. His journey has been a long and hard one. You've gone from hating him to tolerating him to kind of liking him to loving him. There is another show that I watched called LOST. It's about a plane flying from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles, California that crashes on a mysterious island. There's a character on that show with which the audience goes through a similar journey. You're left wondering if such characters are bad people who sometimes do good things OR good people who sometimes do bad things. Sometimes, it's difficult to tell the difference.
Notice how Sansa is wearing her hair like Cat?! This is because she’s struggling with her identity and individuality so when she thinks of a leading woman in Winterfell and how they should act or dress, naturally her mother comes to mind.
Idk why everyones so shocked about cerseis feelings towards tomen, at the end of the day he was about to make it so cersei couldnt escape justice, whether tomen was right or wrong, he made it so cersei, his own mother couldnt win and stripped jaimie of his lord commander title, i agree with her, he betrayed her and him both
Totally. I never thought of that until seeing that scene again just now but he totally did betray them. I mean, god damn. I know she's done some terrible things but she's Tommen's mother. I could never do something like that to my mother-- even if my mother was Cersei. And I don't even get why Jaime got stripped of his title. A stupid move by Tommen in my opinion. Like yeah he 'attacked' the Faith or whatever but that was literally before it even was announced, no?
Cersei is insane and made some stupid mistakes, but I love her as a villain. She’s pretty evil but not totally one dimensional and it’s fun to hate her.
I’m so sad - I’ve absolutely loved watching your episode reactions and your love for the show, now I’m going to have to watch you react to the two seasons that destroyed everything that came before
Part of me is a little bit morbidly invested in seeing them go through the stages of denial that many of us passed through; make excuses for how the things that are just bad writing are actually not that bad, maybe even smart and are going to lead to something. Because surely this is all just to get to a glorious conclusion. I am actually curious to see if they will be in the camp that by end of season 8 goes "well this was bs and I was wrong everytime I said this or this decision wasn't terribly done" or in the camp "no actually this was genius and the writers subverted our expectations by leaving us with empty depression. They're really artists."
I was still hoping that D&D had come their senses and somehow figured out how to fix their appalling mistakes regarding the lore and history, magic and character development during S5 and S6. But no their hubris prevailed and the seasons become even shorter and the audience is just expected to suspend disbelief to the point where ravens become supersonic, Euron teleports his impossible fleet of a thousand ships from islands that had no trees to fell to everywhere EXCEPT to Mereen where he promised his kingdom he would go. So I am not sure I can keep going.
Hah. You know, I might have felt the same way, but with Spartan's stubborn black and white view on certain characters, I can't wait to see how he unravels.
Unfortuantely they love season 7 including beyond the wall saying it’s one of the best episodes and perfect writing on the level of hardhome and battle of bastards
Honestly can't remember if I thought it was Arya or not. Probably was happy the show was back on and just watched it as it happened. Greyjoy was pretty coy and funny. Editing with Sam was pretty rough haha. Save Jorah! Find it funny no one claimed Dragonstone before now.
I also thought that, but I guess it we because Dragonstone was and is property of the crown, meant to be the home of the heir to the throne. Tommen didn't have an heir, and I don't think anyone would have risked infiltrating a castle as big as that when the Lannisters command the largest army (until Dany of course).
Idk if anyone has said it, but the song Ed Sheeran was singing was about Tyrion and Shae. In the books a bard who knew about them threatened Tyrion with the song.
37:28 Just like Robb left absolutely no one when he left Winterfell to go to war, Stannis left no one at Dragonstone when he left. Makes complete sense.
@@bamaboy99191 I was being sarcastic. My point being that Stannis would never leave Dragonstone with no military force to defend it. When he himself tried to take Dragonstone in the books, it was garrisoned. The idea that Dany would arrive there with no one ready to fight her or at the very least surrender to her is propostrous.
I never understood why some people hate on Robb because made a mistake. While Jon takes all the credit. I love them both, and BOTH of them made mistakes that led to their death. Both of them died because of men they trusted, just like Ned.
The difference was that Robb did it for selfish/personal reasons and put all of the North in danger, John did for noble reasons and put no one but himself in danger. If you can't tell the difference, there's no point explaining.
@@E_ClipRobb marrying was the opposite of selfish. He took Jeyne’s maidenhood and married her the next morning, choosing her honour over his own. The showrunners butchered Robb’s character by completely changing it from the books, just like they butchered Catelyn, Stannis, and many others.
Robb was a brilliant military man, but he was a rubbish politician who ignored the safety of 20,000 men following him, the obvious repurcussions that would come of betraying his oath to a vindictive old man like Walder Frey, all because he fancied a girl. That to me is a much more stupid mistake than Jon's mistake, which albeit was a naive one to trust that he wouldn't be betrayed, still gave thorough endorsement for why helping the wildlings was essential for the survival of the whole world. He could've been more prudent, but his actions weren't selfish, and he endangered no one but himself.
The interaction with the Lannister soldiers was a chance to get Ed Sheeran a cameo. Pretty silly and lame but it did show 1) the common soldier is just a guy doing what he's told based on who his Lord is. 2) Arya is a badass that isn't intimidated by sitting around with a group of enemy soldiers. In the cold open, I think most viewers assumed it was Arya but it was uncertain. Could this be a flashback of before she killed Walder? But it became pretty clear early on with her dialogue.
Here is where the quality in writting really begins to drop massively. How on earth is Dragonstone unoccupied, that makes zero sense, one of the most important castles in Westeros was left behind by Stannis and not taken by Cersei.
Man I was waiting for jokes like that last vid I was laughing the whole time😂 n to see him get so mad after hearing the joke made it alot funnier😂 ngl some good comedy just can't be planned
The fact that these idiots keep underestimating cersei is just so dumb.... I mean manifesting is one thing, but actually believing cersei has absolutely no power despite proving wrong so many times.... Can't wait for cersei to wipe the smirks on their face a few more time....
At this present point in time, she is The Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and head of what remains one of the strongest houses in the realm. These two are basically making the same mistakes as those who have gone against the Lannisters in the show - they underestimate them. It really is Spartan's outright hatred of Cersei driving this. Sadly, it's rubbing off on Pudgey.
Dark is good, especially when you get to episode 8-3, or you might not be able to see anything. i don't think it would be a spoiler to just say turn down the lights. Lannister soldiers aren't Lannisters, just soldiers who are int heir army, the scene was to show her that not everyone needs to be killed, there are just regular good people out there.
Yeah I read somewhere that bastards would use the sigil of their father’s house, just with the colors reversed. The Stark sigil is a grey wolf on a white background. So Jon’s sigil should be a white wolf on a grey background
No she isn’t. Anyone can slap the shit out of her. Totally unrealistic she “puts men in their place” without anyone being like “can someone send the kid to her room”
The soldiers Arya ran into aren’t Lannisters, they’re just Lannister soldiers, people drafted into fighting for the Lannister family. Just like the Starks have soldiers who aren’t members of their family. The point is to show that the average person don’t care about the squabbles of the Houses fighting for power, and that good and evil exists on all sides of the conflict. The world is complex, not just easily split into good guys and bad guys.
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When a bastard becomes head of household the household sigil becomes inverted...
The Starks are a gray wolf on a white field, So when Jon Snow a bastard becomes the head of house Stark the sigil becomes a white wolf on a gray field,.. Jon Snow is the white wolf
"He won the battle of the bastards".
No, he was on the winning side. Big difference. He did nothing other than take part in it. If anything, Jon Snow was the least worthy person to be called King/Queen in this show...hell, even Cersei killed her way to the top. Jon was just born and given it for being there.
The purpose of the scene with Arya and the Lannister soldiers is to show that in war, not everything is black and white. They're soldiers serving a certain house. Doesn't necessarily mean they're horrible people. They're just people. They're just soldiers following orders and fighting for someone else's war.
And maisie really wanted to meet ed sheeran and didn’t know he was on set till she saw him in the scene
I think the scene with Lannister soldiers were always meant to be there. The Ed Sheeran cameo was just to make Maise happy.
Yeah, I'm really surprised they don't get it, especially Spartan.
And that “good heartedness” they see in their behavior is just naivety about the world they really live in. One of them says “my mom always said if you treat strangers with kindness, they’ll treat you the same,” and that’s hardly the case in this world. Many have and will take advantage of kindness
yup. unless you belong tot he ruling families and therefore directly benefit from their dominion over these lands, you're just a shmuck who happens to be born somewhere, enlisted in a war, and not be able to say no. the ed sheeran cameo really just annoys me because it's so distracting to that otherwise good message
Daenerys' getting to Dragonstone is even more touching now after House of the Dragon.
Yeah.. totally❤
@@alichaudhry2561nah dany is far better than those 2 politically incompetent and irrational fools dont compare her to them especially to Daemon out of everyone💀💀 she is nothing like Rhaenyra and Daemon thank god for that she is a good human and cares about the common folks..she actually has qualities of a good ruler unlike those 2 tbh
@@alichaudhry2561so truuuue
The Hound's journey from "Killing is the sweetest thing there is" all the way to "I'm sorry you're dead. You deserved better" is one of my favorite arcs in the show.
Well they ruin that too lol
too bad they ruin that to make a dumb meme happen
@@harshahir3176 No they did not lol
@@AllTheArtsy Nothing was ruined
@@ianvera4299 sure
When Walder/Arya mentions Catelyn being killed, that's damn good acting by David Bradley. Just a hint of real Arya coming through.
dude he absolutely murders it in every scene but this was his masterclass for sure
David Bradley is a fantastic actor. His arc on Broadchurchs first season is such a heartbreaker
That Dany /Targaryen theme is so epic, it's also played multiple times in HOTD now that you know the song
Yeah i love how they remixed it for Rhaenyra
That's why i wrote once that they should re-watch episode 1 now, of HOTD, i mean. It hits so much more when you are a fan of GoT before you watch HOTD.
"They're too nice to be Lannisters!" Guys remember, these aren't members of the actual family. They're just citizens of the Lannister kingdom in the Westerlands, enlisted as soldiers, but the Lannister army numbers 60,000, the largest city in the Westerlands, Lannisport, alone numbers 250,000 people, do you really think every last one are villains? Of course not, they're just people who owe fealty and service to their liege lords like all others. Some are kind, some are evil. The three Stark levies whom Brienne killed were hardly heroes were they? We have to see the individuals behind the born loyalties.
obviously XD
Yeah, and also there are family members who aren't bad and there's are northmen and guys from the vale who're bad
then most of the Lannisters (family) are cute in the book.
Apart from Tywin (who is stern for necessity) and his sons the other cousins and uncles are kind.
Even Lancel, in the end isn't evil, he's just vain.
Wait you’re telling me every single person In every army isn’t related?? 🤯
@karimabidi8312 now, if everyone can understand this and apply it to the real world, we'd have conquered racism, how crazy is that? Seems so simple..
Jon’s the White Wolf mostly because of Ghost.
Acknowledged bastards of lords were allowed to carry their family sigils but with the colours reversed - while Ned and Robb would have carried the grey direwolf on a field of white, Jon’s would have been a white wolf on a grey background. I can’t remember if Jon carries this sigil in the books but it would still make sense to me that the northern lords had that in mind - Jon might be a bastard but he is still Stark
Well, his last name is Snow. Snow = white. But the reversed colors of the sigil I didn't even think about until you mentioned it.
is he a snow, a stark, a targeryan, a waters, or a sand? ive heard conflicting reports.
And that’s not even the entire list of possibilities! There are certainly theories out there that John’s mother is Ashara Dayne of Starfall. The TV didn’t choose to go in that direction, but the Starfall Baby Swap is a very valid book theory and the Daynes and the sword Starfall are too prominent in the book to mean nothing. I love R+L=J, but…
lol in the book he is dead dosen'carry anything bro yo dreaming
@@gabagool_and_psychiatry4856 He's Captain Planet's ancestor, clearly.
For me who watched it 1 year after the last season and kinda forgot walder died, it was quite the surprise to see arya and get reminded of it all then XD
me too, that's why everyone love Arya because she did surprising unimaginable action
I've read it fast and i read "Walter" I was like why on earth is he bringing breaking bad stuff over there
It took Daenerys 6 seasons to get from Pentos to Dragonstone which are almost directly across the Narrow Sea from each other. The journey she went on took her 1000s of miles in the wrong direction but without it she wouldn't have made it this far.
That`s what Quaithe told her: "To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow".
So the reason why Ed Sheeren is in Game of thrones is because Maisie who plays Arya is a fan of Ed so the crew decide to surprise Maisie
That doesn't explain why he is in the show. You can surprise Maisie without actually making it part of the show.
@@Springheel01There were actually several musical artists that had cameo roles in Game of Thrones, but Ed Sheeran was just the most recognizable. There are lots of songs in the books, but most of the actors aren’t singers, so they would bring in singers to sing the songs. The main exception being Bronn tho. His actor is also a singer, so that’s why he sings several songs in this show
@@Springheel01 why would you care he said 4 words and was just an extra lmao
@@Springheel01you’re not very bright, eh?
@@SnailHatan Ooo, edgy response. You must be quite impressive on the playground.
When I first saw that cold opening with Walder addressing his family, I thought it was a flashback, but it wasn't long into it that I started to realize that it was Arya using his face. David Bradley's acting in that scene was brilliant, blending little bits of Arya's speech patterns and body language with old Walder's.
Bastards use the sigil of their house but with the colours reversed, therefore Jon's sigil is a white wolf rather than the normal coloured Stark one...and which is why Theon (I believe) immediately told Jon Ghost was his when they found the litter
Theon told Jon that Ghost was his because Ghost was the runt of the litter (generally the one left behind, not as special as their other siblings) and Jon was the bastard, implying that they’re one in the same.
@@duhachowdhury3761 This is a case of book vs. show. Show Theon say that Ghost is Jon's because he is the runt. While book Theon only claims Ghost will die faster due to being an albino and Jon actually stands up for himself and tells Theon off and claims Ghost. Also contrary to the show Ghost is the largest of the litter, at least at the time Robert was at Winterfell. The show kind of neutered Jon from the start.
The Hound’s Arc has been redemptional. A great story in itself.
Very true🔥🔥
Very true🔥🔥
@@seancarroll5803 Why do you people not understand not to post spoilers?
@@Catrambimy thoughts exactly.
@@seancarroll5803why are you ruining the story for those who haven’t seen it. Season 8 is bitter sweet. I personally lived it. . Out of order for ruining the end.
Nice to see them slowly realise that Arya killed the Hound. He was replaced by Sandor Clegane.
Nope
I don't think Arya did that. He was that already when he was protecting Sansa on Cersei's orders.
"why is Jon the white wolf?" It isn't really addressed in the show, but the most popular theory is because he is a stark bastard. The stark banner is a grey wolf on a white background. When bastards raise family banners they always reverse the colours. As a result, Jon's bastard Stark banner would be a white wolf on a grey background.
It's because he's a Snow=White/Stark=Wolf.
I like both theories.
@@cmudd9788 naw that is far too much of reach compared to him literally flying a banner with a white wolf on it as his sigil. You don't see them making the "white" and "snow" reference with other bastards in the north. Even arguing it is because his pet direwolf is white would be a better theory.
Spartan never learns from underestimating, Cersei. He’s the new High Sparrow 😂.
You're underestimating logic
But he is right, Cersei should have lost very quickly to Dany, she's never been that smart. Dan and Dave ruined the show.
28:49 it’s almost like they are good and bad soldiers on every side 🤨 Stark men hanged tavern girls simply for sleeping with lannister soldiers back in s3 and now lannister soliders offer arya free food. it’s seems like the world isn’t just black or white spartan :)
correct. I don't know why that was so hard to read for them? Pudgy and Spartan were a bit confused by it. If anything this show is more grey than black and white.
He's a lost cause - pumped to the tits every time his man Jon comes on the scene and spitting bile at the sight of Cersei. This show has been all shades of grey from the get-go.
Absolutely, grrm himself said, that there's is no "good vs bad" - that's why asoiaf amd the first seasons of GoT are so good, and that's also why the show gets worse
Nah Cersi deserves all the vitriol she got/gets. I despise her and found practically nothing redeeming about her. Not any real gray to her at all. Same for walder frey and others.
I agree with the overall point. But that doesn't mean there are some very black and white characters overall.
@@Wicked_Sushidamn you’re going to hate his reactions this season then if you’re frustrated for these points
This season was filmed when Maisie Williams was turning 18 so I always assumed the Ed Sheeran cameo was a birthday treat for her
I remember when I first watched this episode, the last scene where Daenerys said “Shall we begin?” got me so hyped! Also, after several rewatches, Sandor Clegane is by far my favorite character in the whole series.
The scene with the Lannister soldiers just goes to show that there are good guys and bad guys on both sides of the war. In most cases there isn't a big difference between soldiers holding different banners, most of them would rather be doing anything else than fight in a war.
The thing that seemed a little off was having Ed Sheerans face right on the screen that completely threw me out of the scene and this world.
I think the Szene was just to put Ed Sheeran in. As a gift for Maisie Williams who is a great Fan.
Most people hate all of house Lannisters for Cersei, Joffrey or Tywin even through most come to like Tyrion and often Jamie too while doing so. Mycella and Tommen are also arguably two of the more pure hearted characters. But yeah Footsoldiers are the only tied to their house through the land they live on and depend on the wage to feed their families and also want to keep the armies of other Houses away from the Land their Families dwell in. Can´t judge them for the Nobility that rules them
@@TorfmoosMaisie william isn't a great fan, they're friends (when I remember correctly)
@@karimabidi8312it was a birthday gift to her from the writers. They wrote the scene in for her
@@karimabidi8312this scene was when she met him…as a fan
Yeah, because of the time gap between season 6 and season 7 I think most people had forgotten about Arya and Frey, so the season 7 opener was a shock.
Si vas siguiendo la lógica de la historia te lo vienes venir, a mí no me impactó para nada. Siempre me imaginé que era ella. Además, no estamos acostumbrados a los flshbacks en esta serie, excepto por Bran y su sentido del cuervo de tres ojos.
@@sousamina ya pero lo que quiero decir es que pasaron mil años entre temporadas y no me acordaba de nada cuando estrenaron esa.
Don’t you rewatch before you start a new season?
For me best part of s7 is Dany arriving at Dragonstone.
It's true home of Targeryens and dragons. It's not King's Landing it's dragonstone where they belong.
Rest of season is crazy fast pacing.
That's actually one of the worst parts, it makes no sense one of the biggest castle in Westeros is empty, Cersei just lets her take it because the script says so, a few soldiers can hold the castle for months, Stannis was able to do this, that's how he was granted the castle, that's how Davos got his name 'Ser Onion'... Dragons would be useless here as she wouldn't use them to destroy an ancestral seat and lose a stronghold, nothing makes sense anymore...
@@jamesmswenko8292 I know, it's just nice to see them there, but season overall is stupid, jumping from one place to another, dumb decisions.
@jamesmswenko8292 Stannis did not hold Dragonstone during Robert's Rebellion, he held the Baratheon ancestral home of Storms End which is where Davos slipped in with his onions.
Robert gave Stannis Dragonstone after the war. Dany was in fact born right after the war on Dragonstone during a massive storm, thus the Daenerys Stormborn title.
Stannis was only given Dragonstone because at the time Robert became king, Stannis was crown prince; and he hated Robert for giving him Dragonstone and giving Storms End to Renly.
@@Jon.A.Scholt Ahh Yes, Stannis took Dragonstone from the Targaryens for Robert, the siege of Dragonstone happens much later, Aurane Waters reported to Cersei about the bloodbath of the Lannister besiegers, close to a thousand men killed and Loras gravely wounded... You get my point, Stannis doesn't leave the castle unprotected.
@@jamesmswenko8292 I'll be interested to see what kind of shape Loras is actually in, you know, when The Winds of Winter comes out next week...😭
But seriously, there are all sorts of theories about Loras and the serious burns he sustained. Though theorizes is all us fans have been able to do for a dozen years....
The maesters don't make the wildfire, the pyromancers do. They are a separate order, they're still alive and still able to make more, but it takes a decent amount of time. It's unlikely they used up all of it blowing up the sept though. According to the stories told, they previously had enough to torch the entire city.
Yeah, that would be Wisdom Hallyne they’re talking about. I know Roy Dotrice passed away in 2017, but I hadn’t really thought about whether or not the character was also considered deceased since that time.
It makes me emotional that Dany is finally at the place where the boy (Viserys) that Rhaenyra gave brith to and will keep the family going until her. Where the table is now is where Rhaenyra and Daemon's bedroom used to be. It is sad the room was re-made to a place of war instead of a living space 🥺❤
Visenya was the baby girl Rhaenyra lost.
@@psychedelicpegasus7587 both Viserys and Aegon were born at Dragonstone and I stated in my comment the BOY 🙄
Lol don't you love when people try to "correct" your comments and the whole time you're pretty clear? You didn't even mention any other children
the way she touches the sand and was like "I'm here. I'm home. I'm where all my family has been" 😢
she found her red door house
Tell them the north remembers. Tell them winter came for house Frey!! 🙌🏾
I wasn't sure whether it was a flashback of before Arya killed Walder, with perhaps Arya being revealed as sitting in the crowd, disguised, as we hadn't seen anything of Arya returning, beyond her telling Jaqen that she was going home, and then showing up at the Twins. But halfway through I realized it was Arya about to murder the whole rest of the Freys.
again, it was just terrible writing for this, too much trying to add the “shock” factor
The lannister soldiers scene is just to give different perspectives of people within the armies. Just like that one scene where the stark soldiers killed those women, violated them and hung them; before Brienne avenged them. Basically there is good and bad on both sides. And Arya's joke on killing the Queen is hilarious 😂 because she knows whether they believe her or not its what she intends to do. The group laughed so she decided to laugh along but shes dead serious lol
Most of the people fighting in the armies are not professional soldiers, they are ordinary common people recruited in times of war and forced to fight for their lords.
@@superkoopatrooper4879 No, it wasn't. The scene would have happened anyway, Ed Sheeran was just an additive.
9:46 Wun Wun definitely played a key role, but Sansa is the main reason Jon was able to win.
Yeah great on Sansa for lying to Jon about Littlefinger. Great on her for holding information from Jon about the Knights of the Veil. Good on her to come in at the end of the battle to make all about her. Such a winner she is.
@@sparks3705 My dude. I don't disagree with you. It made no sense. But it doesn't change the fact that her aid, coming from the Vale, is what transformed the battled from defeat to victory. I hate how it happened. I'm on the record saying S5 to S8 are shit. But that's what happened in the show. Even Jon said so himself and the end of S6.
@Mic-Mak I dunno. I guess I just get tired of all the Sansa praise when she's actually quite a horrible person. Jon (most likely) wouldn't have even been in the losing position if Sansa just told him from the start about the veil and littlefinger. He even gave her countless opportunities to tell him when she kept going on and on about not having enough men and Jon telling her it's all they have.
In fact, I would have had more respect and gratuity for Sansa saving the day if she would have told Jon about getting the Kights of the Viel to join their cause instead of bringing em in in the desperate hour she created for Jon. And I truly believe Sansa is the sole reason for Jon being at the brink of defeat and getting many people killed because of her selfish reasoning of wanting to save the day. To stand back as to say "look how good I helped", etc...
@@sparks3705 Two things can be true at the same time. Sansa can be awfully selfish for not telling Jon about the Vale, AND at the same time, Jon is selfish and a usurper for taking over the ruling of the North, when he knows damn well it should be Sansa. Both of these things are a testament to the horrible writing of the show.
All the grievances you have about Sansa, I have shared in my comments for S&P's Battle of the Bastards video. Hre is exactly what I wrote about Sansa in the comments of that video:
*_I hate what the show did to Sansa's character in these last couple of episodes._*_ It strenuously contorts the plot and her moral values to absolve her of the terrible compromises that unavoidably come with the decision that she makes. This makes her motivations unclear and confusing._
_Either Sansa planned Littlefinger's late arrival at the Battle of the Bastards, - in which case she's responsible for the carnage, which exposes her willingness to sacrifice both Jon & Rickon to win her little game of thrones. Or, she didn't plan LF's late arrival and gets little credit for the victory. She just got lucky._
_By that logic, that makes Sansa either _*_dumb AND virtuous_*_ for not telling Jon about the Vale, or she is _*_evil AND cunning,_*_ because she's clearly willing to sacrifice both her brothers to win the battle. The show tries to make her virtuous and cunning, as if neither of those scenarios come with bad consequences that make her look bad. And it seems to have worked on most of the audience._
_The audience definitely questions Sansa's decision not to tell Jon about the army of the Vale, but they don't think out the full ramifications of what that means, which is that Jon & Rickon are disposable to her. And S7 seems to reaffirm that. _*_Lilli Loofbourow,_*_ a critic who has not read the books, wrote a brilliant article for this episode called _*_Game of Thrones Has a Sansa Problem,_*_ and it goes into the details of what is wrong with the writing._
Sansa is the *only* reason Jon won. Without the cavalry, Jon and his forces would have succumbed to a superior commander with a perfect battle plan. Ramsay was a scumbag, but he was no dummy. He played Jon effortlessly, and Jon, in typical Stark fashion (more balls than brains), played along perfectly.
Strictly speaking, he is a Targaryen, of course, but his mentality is Stark, having been raised by Ned and grown up alongside Robb, both of who could have done with some additional brains.
Miguel Sapochnik was the Director for those episodes. He won Emmys for them and a few more. I won't tell😊🙏
He was also the lead Director for the house of the dragons
Until he quit quite quickly!
ah yes, the great poop-montage scene, well done
@@driezzy"why is there no dragon action 24x7, me not likely😭😭😭" - thats what you sound like.
He’s always sooooo defensive 😂😂😂
Pudgey: who is she gonna run in to?
Me: Ed Sheeran lol
Those Lannister soldiers were just soldiers not part of the noble family or anything, It’s not so shocking that they could be decent people. Soldiers in every army in every war throughout history have usually just been conscripted to fight for the lord who happens to have jurisdiction over their land. A farm boy fighting hundreds of miles from his home probably doesn’t care or is even aware of the politics that lead to the war he’s fighting in.
A rich man's war and a poor man's fight.
What is with this off-the-charts hate for Cersei - playing to the audience? I think you might have miscalculated. We all know she's a bitch, but most of us have her in the "love to hate" category. I would also argue that most can at least *appreciate* for her motivations. And then we have Spartan on the verge of exploding whenever Jon comes on the scene as if his great, epic destiny is about to manifest any second. They've both become more black and white as the story has progressed - Spartan in particular. All I can say is, it's gonna be hilarious in several weeks.
Totally agree with you. I don't want to spoil, but Cersei is not intended to be a Joffrey or Ramsey. She's not a villain, full stop. She's meant to be something else and even the scenes to come should reflect that (and I believe they do in some way). I can't say more, but I hope you get what I mean.
Spartan absolutely hates Cersei even more this season and loves Jon even more this season hahaha
@@jucor981I know what you're saying. The way I see it - Ramsay was a villain. The Night King is a villain. Cersei ... is more complicated.
Yeah at least Pudgey offers constructive criticism when it comes to Cersei, Spartan just blindly hates her which leaves no room for critical thinking or acknowledgements.
@@jucor981 Lol Cersei bombed the pope, straight up domestic terrorism. She is a Villan 🤣 what do you mean. She's been the villan since E1.
At first I actually thought Frey was a flashback until he paused to drink the wine. Then I knew!!
Watching this ep, long time apart from the last ep, I remember thinking it was a flashback, it was so much time apart so yeah, it felt mind-blowing for me😅 and Arya words were the best part, always a reminder of Ned, he was also here, he was always there.
The way I see it - Ramsay was a villain. The Night King is a villain. Cersei ... is more complicated. Let's look at things from a more favorable perspective: she lost her mother at a very young age, for which she transferred her grief and rage onto Tyrion. Eventually, she was sold off like a brood mare to Robert, a man who never gave her a chance, could never love her and choose instead to drown himself in booze and whoring. Her father was Tywin Lannister - a man who put family legacy before any affection for his immediate family. A man who drilled the importance of survival into Cersei from day dot. The only love and connection to be found was with Jamie and then of course - her children - one of which turned out to be a monster (flip the coin...). Eventually, it all starts to unravel. Her monstrous son (whom she still loved unconditionally) is murdered in front of her. Then she loses Tywin - who in spite of his shortcomings, was nonetheless the powerhouse that bound and secured their family. She loses her other son to the power games of others and oh, is stripped of all her finery and paraded through the streets naked. After all this, she goes on to lose the one other light in her life - her daughter. Then the mad beggars who were only positioned where they were because she had empowered them to deal with another threat want to put HER on trial - after everything they'd already put her through? No.
And now, the would-be Dragon Queen wants to come and tear her down? HELL no. You WIN, or you DIE. Does any of this redeem Cersei? Not really. But it's about understanding the motivations of the character. These sorts of stories are so much richer when you can occupy the POV of all the participants. Just having an outright hate boner - save for the truly reprehensible characters like Ramsay (even he was in the love to hate category) - diminishes the character and your experience.
spartan: cersei? i aint reading all that
I'm not sure what your point is, you can understand a character and still hate them and hope they don't succeed. Tywin, Balon, Walder and so on. Also Dany isn't a "would-be" Dragon Queen, she's literally a Monarch with 3 Dragons, that is a fact.
Of course she's a villain. She's as bad as the rest of them, Twin, Joffrey, Ramsay, etc...
Cool story. That still doesn't stop her from being a villain though.
No Cersei is a villain, her story just isn’t black and white. And Dany is a queen, just not in the west.
Since you asked, Pudgey, when I first watched this ep I 100% thought this intro scene with the Freys was a flashback to a feast shortly after the red wedding. I was sooo slow figuring it out and only when she pulled off the mask, did I realize what was happening 😂
You guys are so consistent it’s refreshing. Feels like I’ve been on an actual journey with you from Season 1, rather than little moments every now and then
They call him the white wolf because historically in universe bastards have banners that are the inversion of the houses colors. House stark has white on a grey wolf. He would have grey on a white wolf banner. The white wolf.
He also has a white wolf.
@@herecomesthescience And he's also a Snow which is white.
I thought the cold open was a flashback at first. Didn’t realize what was happening. It was fantastic.
🥇 first.. I remembered waiting for this episode after more than a year. And Arya did not disappoint!
The hound was always my favorite. I don't think he was ever a bad person. Yeah he has done some horrible things but it was at the order of the king.
Agreed. From the first time we meet the hound, the impression I got was guarded, wounded, and sad, not evil or bad to his core. Love the hound!
I knew the first time he called Sansa “Little Bird”🥰
⚜️ I never saw the Hound as bad, either. He's always been completely misunderstood, good guy with an extremely rough/guarded exterior.
The Hound has done some messed up things, like wanting to kill the pig farmer in season 3, or stealing the silver from that man who took him and Arya in. But even then, he was not driven by cruelty but rather a drive to survive in a harsh world. He's a cynic to be sure, but not really evil at heart.
Sandor definitely was a bad person lol, that's what makes his arc good
I don't think it's spoilery to say that there are some huge battles coming up in the next 2 seasons. My absolute favorite is in season 7 and I CANNOT WAIT to watch you guys react! Don't keep me waiting too long!
The other ones were terrible
@@hokagedlo6133 episode 9 of season 4 is the best one why you talking shit, the battle of the blackwater was great too. if you like the long night better than those you're a bozo
And Stannis left all of Dragonstone, it's villages and towns completely unprotected? If so, there were thousands of small folk still living there. Who obliterated them since the whole bloody island is deserted? And whoever that was, why didn't they leave at least a garrison? This is the crap that happens when you deviate from the source material!
Well, you can deviate from the source material when you pay attention, the problem was there is a lot of illogical stuff and nonsense independent of the source material. Like Bran talking random stuff and Ed is just like "well, I guess yeah, you're Brandon Stark. Because who else would talk like that"???
@@karimabidi8312 Truth be told, even though I started reading the books only after I watched S1 2 years after it first aired, I could forgive much that was left out in the show. Too many smaller houses and names to remember. House Redwyn, House Manderly (Never mind House High Tower, sneaky juggernauts in Old Town since forever.)
Suddenly turning Bran into "Eye stare, who would talk like that" when the previous 3 eyed raven trapped in a tree for hundreds of years had no problem communicating coherently.
Indeed, sometimes D&D's deviation from source material, for example Arya's and Tywin's scenes in Harrenhal were terrific. As were a few other adaptations and that was why I still hoped..... Silly me!
House Baratheon is gone mate. They probably all regrouped back at Storm's End after suffering so many losses at Winterhell.
@@BhBc8f8 Hehe!🤣 Of course they did except that Storm's End, yet another "magical" castle is never mentioned again.
Edit: until whatever BS comes next.
I think, they kinda forgot, lol.
I think Jon having a White Direwolf (the only one alive south of the wall), having "Snow" as his surname and being the leader of House Stark are pleanty of reasons to be called The White Wolf.
I can't stand the fact that Arya is now basically a Faceless man, within only a year or so, without repercussions for betraying the REAL faceless men. Makes no sense at all.
34:32 This man is still talking about the butcher's boy
respect. The North remembers ✊
When this episode was shown most were puzzled because we knew Frey was dead. I remember thinking it must be a flashback until he didn't drink the wine. I think you two must have the powers of Bran to call out all the major scenes correctly. Well done!
Or they’ve seen the show before
@@bradcarver8127 they watched house of the dragon first and then came to Got because they enjoyed that so much.
I like when people talk with "us" and "we". Not everyone has the memory of a penguin.
@@veiregorfaxxx. Us is actually U. Ppl shouldnt speak for everyone.
Buffoon. It was obvious it was arya
To be fair to Spartan before season 7 came out almost everybody believed Cersei would be dead by the end of the season.
Lol.... Spartan is the dumbest idiot.... Like literally, every season he's so sure cersei's going to die and everytime she proves him wrong but his idiot a$$ is always ignorant....
@@Rash23215 I agree that his hate for Cersei is ridiculous. She's a complex villain but he doesn't seem to consider that.
Spoilers
@@Duisiwowowoekjeuejdjeuwjwhwj They've already seen it.
All season he’s excited for Cersei’s death but keeps being confused as to why she survives so long
“Because you’ve had different experiences, you’re going to have different outlooks on these big decisions.” You already understand Sansa more than most people. Thank you!
Never thought about Lady Mormont and Lyanna Stark connection, good stuff Pudgey!
That scene with Sam cleaning the bedpans is the most gruesome of the whole series 😝
GOT, S6E10: essentially confirms RHAEGAR IS JON'S FATHER.
Spartan and Pudgey: we have a theory that Rhaegar just might be Jon's father.
Every time Dany runs her hand along that table, I remember what Stannis and Mel got up to on it . . .
Anyways, for better or worse, here we go.
Leave one 🐺 alive and the 🐑🐑🐑 are never safe ...
Arya stark
Best line ever 👌
I don't like season 7 but that is a killer line. There is another line that I love very much from season 8, but they're still not there so I'll wait.
The actual series is called "A Song of Ice AND Fire", not "A song of Ice OR Fire" Spartan.
The Starks send their regards.
We all knew. But everyone was still excited to see the opening scene play out. The hype in real time was unreal!
Great reaction! It's interesting what you both said about the Hound. His journey has been a long and hard one. You've gone from hating him to tolerating him to kind of liking him to loving him. There is another show that I watched called LOST. It's about a plane flying from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles, California that crashes on a mysterious island. There's a character on that show with which the audience goes through a similar journey. You're left wondering if such characters are bad people who sometimes do good things OR good people who sometimes do bad things. Sometimes, it's difficult to tell the difference.
Finally, feels like it’s been months. Good job, keep’em coming.
There is no season 7.
The show ended in season 6
Yes😂
the cinematic moments saved season 6 the dialog has fallen heavily since season 5
@reddeaddave FACTS
@@reddeaddave4675 Not really. Just another made up bullshit from an angry mob.
Show started going downhill after season 4 but it was after season 6 that things got really bad
I teared up when Dany touched the sand at Dragonstone, I really did. Emilia Clarke knocking it out of the park.
Notice how Sansa is wearing her hair like Cat?! This is because she’s struggling with her identity and individuality so when she thinks of a leading woman in Winterfell and how they should act or dress, naturally her mother comes to mind.
well it's not like there were a ton of great women in her life to emulate...Olenna always wore her headpiece ;-)
Does Spartan realize that we can like BOTH houses? 😂 House Stark and Targaryen supporter through and through.
Idk why everyones so shocked about cerseis feelings towards tomen, at the end of the day he was about to make it so cersei couldnt escape justice, whether tomen was right or wrong, he made it so cersei, his own mother couldnt win and stripped jaimie of his lord commander title, i agree with her, he betrayed her and him both
Totally. I never thought of that until seeing that scene again just now but he totally did betray them. I mean, god damn. I know she's done some terrible things but she's Tommen's mother. I could never do something like that to my mother-- even if my mother was Cersei. And I don't even get why Jaime got stripped of his title. A stupid move by Tommen in my opinion. Like yeah he 'attacked' the Faith or whatever but that was literally before it even was announced, no?
I’ve been watching every video for about 3 months now and just realised I wasn’t subscribed 😅
Quickly did
Love your channel ❤
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It shows they fight in a war they don't want and they're just normal people
Cersei is insane and made some stupid mistakes, but I love her as a villain. She’s pretty evil but not totally one dimensional and it’s fun to hate her.
I’m so sad - I’ve absolutely loved watching your episode reactions and your love for the show, now I’m going to have to watch you react to the two seasons that destroyed everything that came before
Part of me is a little bit morbidly invested in seeing them go through the stages of denial that many of us passed through; make excuses for how the things that are just bad writing are actually not that bad, maybe even smart and are going to lead to something. Because surely this is all just to get to a glorious conclusion.
I am actually curious to see if they will be in the camp that by end of season 8 goes "well this was bs and I was wrong everytime I said this or this decision wasn't terribly done" or in the camp "no actually this was genius and the writers subverted our expectations by leaving us with empty depression. They're really artists."
I was still hoping that D&D had come their senses and somehow figured out how to fix their appalling mistakes regarding the lore and history, magic and character development during S5 and S6. But no their hubris prevailed and the seasons become even shorter and the audience is just expected to suspend disbelief to the point where ravens become supersonic, Euron teleports his impossible fleet of a thousand ships from islands that had no trees to fell to everywhere EXCEPT to Mereen where he promised his kingdom he would go.
So I am not sure I can keep going.
Hah. You know, I might have felt the same way, but with Spartan's stubborn black and white view on certain characters, I can't wait to see how he unravels.
Unfortuantely they love season 7 including beyond the wall saying it’s one of the best episodes and perfect writing on the level of hardhome and battle of bastards
@@seancarroll5803 if that is the case,they just perfer spectacle even of illogical.
They might be the 0.0001 % of ppl who might actually like the end.
sansa was lying when she said jon is good at ruling 😂
Stark banner is a grey wolf on white. Bastard colours are reversed, meaning Jon's Banner is White wolf on grey
Honestly can't remember if I thought it was Arya or not. Probably was happy the show was back on and just watched it as it happened. Greyjoy was pretty coy and funny. Editing with Sam was pretty rough haha. Save Jorah! Find it funny no one claimed Dragonstone before now.
Same.
I also thought that, but I guess it we because Dragonstone was and is property of the crown, meant to be the home of the heir to the throne. Tommen didn't have an heir, and I don't think anyone would have risked infiltrating a castle as big as that when the Lannisters command the largest army (until Dany of course).
Idk if anyone has said it, but the song Ed Sheeran was singing was about Tyrion and Shae. In the books a bard who knew about them threatened Tyrion with the song.
You guys are the first reactors I've seen clocking Arya so quick in all these years, amazing.
Tyrion fled Westoros hiding in a crate and returned with a Targaryen and her Dragons.
37:28 Just like Robb left absolutely no one when he left Winterfell to go to war, Stannis left no one at Dragonstone when he left. Makes complete sense.
no robb didn't, what show have you been watching???😂😂😂
@@bamaboy99191 I was being sarcastic. My point being that Stannis would never leave Dragonstone with no military force to defend it. When he himself tried to take Dragonstone in the books, it was garrisoned. The idea that Dany would arrive there with no one ready to fight her or at the very least surrender to her is propostrous.
@@Mic-Mak yeah it's dumb af. Even if let's say ALL stannis loyalists died, no way that nobody else would try to occupy it
@@bamaboy99191 Exactly!
And why even go to dragonstone in the first place and for what, a parallel
I never understood why some people hate on Robb because made a mistake. While Jon takes all the credit.
I love them both, and BOTH of them made mistakes that led to their death. Both of them died because of men they trusted, just like Ned.
The difference was that Robb did it for selfish/personal reasons and put all of the North in danger, John did for noble reasons and put no one but himself in danger. If you can't tell the difference, there's no point explaining.
@@E_ClipRobb marrying was the opposite of selfish. He took Jeyne’s maidenhood and married her the next morning, choosing her honour over his own. The showrunners butchered Robb’s character by completely changing it from the books, just like they butchered Catelyn, Stannis, and many others.
@@baboon1233wtf
Robb was a brilliant military man, but he was a rubbish politician who ignored the safety of 20,000 men following him, the obvious repurcussions that would come of betraying his oath to a vindictive old man like Walder Frey, all because he fancied a girl. That to me is a much more stupid mistake than Jon's mistake, which albeit was a naive one to trust that he wouldn't be betrayed, still gave thorough endorsement for why helping the wildlings was essential for the survival of the whole world. He could've been more prudent, but his actions weren't selfish, and he endangered no one but himself.
@@alexanderb5726jon also ignored his countrymen trying to look heroic during the battle of the bastards 😂
The interaction with the Lannister soldiers was a chance to get Ed Sheeran a cameo. Pretty silly and lame but it did show 1) the common soldier is just a guy doing what he's told based on who his Lord is. 2) Arya is a badass that isn't intimidated by sitting around with a group of enemy soldiers. In the cold open, I think most viewers assumed it was Arya but it was uncertain. Could this be a flashback of before she killed Walder? But it became pretty clear early on with her dialogue.
Lol, that group with Ed Sheeran weren't Lannisters. They just fight for the Lannister army. Doesn't make them bad.
Here is where the quality in writting really begins to drop massively. How on earth is Dragonstone unoccupied, that makes zero sense, one of the most important castles in Westeros was left behind by Stannis and not taken by Cersei.
Man I was waiting for jokes like that last vid I was laughing the whole time😂 n to see him get so mad after hearing the joke made it alot funnier😂 ngl some good comedy just can't be planned
When you guysbare done I NEED a compilation of all of the times pudgey insults sneaky pycel
The fact that these idiots keep underestimating cersei is just so dumb.... I mean manifesting is one thing, but actually believing cersei has absolutely no power despite proving wrong so many times.... Can't wait for cersei to wipe the smirks on their face a few more time....
At this present point in time, she is The Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and head of what remains one of the strongest houses in the realm. These two are basically making the same mistakes as those who have gone against the Lannisters in the show - they underestimate them.
It really is Spartan's outright hatred of Cersei driving this. Sadly, it's rubbing off on Pudgey.
perfect timing as always for breakfast
Spartan refusing to acknowledge aria as a warrior is killing me 😂
"Arya"
she aint a warrior, she can hold her own in normal fight but she's an assasin
Dark is good, especially when you get to episode 8-3, or you might not be able to see anything. i don't think it would be a spoiler to just say turn down the lights.
Lannister soldiers aren't Lannisters, just soldiers who are int heir army, the scene was to show her that not everyone needs to be killed, there are just regular good people out there.
That’s the farmer and his daughter that the hound beat up and stole his silver. When he and Arya was traveling together
So you guys love Jaime and he is a Lanister but you can't see that Lanister soldiers can be regular people?
Imagine brandishing every single person in a group as the same as the leaders of that group.
Spartan's optimism at the beginning is kinda cute 😅
Hopefully someone on their mod team lets them know before they get there to turn up their brightness to max for season 8 episode 3.
Theyve already watched it
@@adrianneagoe3652 well hopefully someone warned them haha. Or they aren’t going to see anything
It's interesting that Night King is not even treated as a character at this point. He couldn't make it to hate lists despite being evil enough
Maisie Williams who plays Arya Stark is a huge fan of Ed Sheeran and for her birthday this was a surprise gift for her to have him on the show.
Can't wait for a 30 minute giggle intro!
Remember that Tyrion had the maesters make more wildfire for when Stannis invaded Kings landing.
Beric has the best voice in the show
Spartan is right about it being the people that the Hound stole from when he was being given shelter by them with Arya. In Season 4
The Starks logo is a grey wolf. Jon uses a white wolf logo because he´s a bastard
Yeah I read somewhere that bastards would use the sigil of their father’s house, just with the colors reversed. The Stark sigil is a grey wolf on a white background. So Jon’s sigil should be a white wolf on a grey background
Lady Mormont is truly terrifying.
No she isn’t. Anyone can slap the shit out of her. Totally unrealistic she “puts men in their place” without anyone being like “can someone send the kid to her room”
The soldiers Arya ran into aren’t Lannisters, they’re just Lannister soldiers, people drafted into fighting for the Lannister family. Just like the Starks have soldiers who aren’t members of their family. The point is to show that the average person don’t care about the squabbles of the Houses fighting for power, and that good and evil exists on all sides of the conflict. The world is complex, not just easily split into good guys and bad guys.