One of my favorite interviews. Not only did they individually heal themselves, but they moved forward as a couple healing one another and reaching out into communities to invite healing there as well. Imagine a world like this? That to me is the essence of what Christ envisioned for humanity. My heart is touched so deeply by this couple. Sigh ...
@Grant7619 The host is not a Christian. She did come out of mormonism. One of the videos is Shelise telling her story and her current personal spiritual beliefs. Some of the guests are believers. All the guests have come out of various cults. Shelise is very skillful and wise in the way she asks questions and lets folks tell their own story.
He was looking at her like she’s the most incredible human he’s ever come across and was so so sweet with his words about her. They are such a lovely couple. The world needs more folks like this and I cannot help but to think of how happy!!!! and healthy!!! their daughter must be with such role models! This was an incredible story. Love this channel and all the light these people bring from bad situations. So many painful stories but beautiful people.
This episode touched my heart when it was said “we sought God in the church but really found Him when we left the church and made our little family the priority.” So glad you claimed your autonomy and left the death grip of that cult. You and this channel are making a positive difference in this world 👏
I grew up as a family friend of this particular Coblentz family (in Michigan ) and I just can’t be thankful enough for the experience and memories I have spending summer weekends with some of his younger sister his parents have always been the most amazing people so sad they where treated that way by their community but in a way so glad bc I wouldn’t have been able to get so close to Luke family and learn all the thing they taught me I’ll never forget the red dress they made me to wear when I was at their house they Made my childhood BETTER!!!
Yes, folks who leave high control abusive religions are at risk of being abused again. Like a woman escaping one abusive partner and moving unwittingly to the next abusive partner. They are blind to the warning signs. I am glad this couple escaped again.
You two are beautiful together, so kind, respectful, loving… it’s just the perfect definition of a very healthy and loving relationship. Congratulations on your healing journey and wishing you the very best for the future ❤
@@katwitanruna you were my inspiration to put power to survivors. I love that you are always here. It is such an important lesson to learn. Abuse cycles are hard to break. I just want you know it makes a difference 💟
So amazing how all of these high control groups are operating from the exact same playbook. And we only really recognize how similar the modus operandi are when we hear about all the different cults and religions that are using this same playbook. I guess it's been working for thousands of years so they figure no need to change it. It's only gotten worse. We need ways to protect children who should be allowed freedom of religion as well, as individual human beings. It is not appropriate that religion is used to control people and especially children and they get away with it almost all the time. Blessings to all the apostates!!! You are the courageous people much more courageous than most. 💗
Thank You both SO MUCH for your courage!!! It makes a HUGE difference. You are a gift to the world just as You are and please forgive yourselves for anything You have had to do or experienced on your road to a healthier Life. We know what We know and do what is necessary until We know and can do better. You are worthy and wonderful and created by a LOVING Source that cares and wants your Joy! 🙏🏽❤️🦋
One of my favorite episodes! It's so encouraging when I see people who have been broken and suppressed by their religion or culture begin to heal and thrive. It is a true celebration of the human spirit and, I believe, God's power and grace.
I love watching people come on & talk about what the Bible truly says. It's a great reminder to believers & also to educate others who may have been mislead by certain "Christians" actions. It's also so inspiring to hear the spiritual trauma these people have endured but they still aren't jaded with the Bible because of it all. The love between you 2 is so visible. I can really see your connection with each other, & I loved hearing you talk about each other. Loved these episodes!
What a beautiful couple! What an inspiring journey! Thank you for sharing your story and thank you Shelise, as always, for having such wonderful people on your show. I love Luci's message about what "community" is. Kudos to all!
It was so great seeing the two of you interact. I could see the love and respect you two have for each other! So happy you helped each other grow and find love and yourselves
The love they have for each other. The way they look into each other's eyes. It is absolutely beautiful! Sending love to both of them! Both beautiful on the inside and out. Power to Survivors! ❤ Ps. Shelise sounds like she is feeling better!
Thank you for sharing your story. It made me remember some things from the church I was in as a teenager and gave me perspective on some of the very wrong things that were taught. Your words helped break down and evaporate the fog that has stayed with me all these years. Again Thank all of you for making this video. Love the Linda Listen’s. We all need to be reminded that it’s going to be okay. 🦋🦋🦋
I needed to hear this. So often I feel my path to autonomous spirituality was unique. I hear echoes of my story here, leaving the high control religion of my teens only to find myself in a cult in my early 20s. I am glad you had partners to sort it out. The internal moral compass that chooses love is always better than another's list of transgressions used to control our minds and replace our own moral compass. Thanks for the Linda listens!! you guys are spot on in your message.
These two are relationship goals. Their mutual respect and admiration is VISIBLE as they each actively listen when their partner speaks. I bet they're excellent friends to have too. Also, this channel and many others that seek to get people's stories out and create community (which is what Luci and Luke do as well) is why I think You Tube is such an obsession for so many. Plus you can watch a video and learn how to fix your own dryer, whelp puppies, cook a perfect steak etc. Congratulations to you all.
Lots of Coblentz Amish and Mennonite in Michigan. I'm sure I know some of your relatives, lol. I do know some that got out of those cults and ended up in others. The journey to truth is a crazy one. It's sad when we experience so much control and abuse that we often can't tell when we are being controlled and abused by someone else because it is just a little less or different.
While these two were meeting in the Amish community, I was in the same state. Growing up and being indoctrinated in another high control religion. We're probably all close to the same age. Small world!
I loved listening to your story and thank you so much for allowing us a glimpse into your life. I too was raised in a cult, and although I ran away from my mothers home at 13, and landed at my fathers who was total polar opposite from my mother I ended up returning to the church of my mother because it was so heavily ingrained into my four year old self. Eventually I did leave again, and made many mistakes, but I still believed everything I was taught. It’s been a long road of unlearning and relearning but it’s been totally worth it and I wouldn’t be able to change a thing, because I’ve learned so much more than I ever could have hoped for. I totally enjoyed Luke’s Linda Listen statement, and it was really just what I needed, and brought tears to my eyes. Again thank you both.
They're right. You've created a safe space for people to share some of the darkest moments in their lives and to realize there is hope and healing ahead. I've been triggered, disturbed, and emotionally emerged with a sense of peace that we can overcome. Thanks so much for sharing!
I have so many thoughts about this episode. Luci and Luke are just an amazing couple to watch. I love how compassionate they are toward each other and the love they so openly share for each other. I also love that they found their own path to faith that provides them joy and peace outside the religious oppression they have endured. They are people who I would be deeply honored to call friends. Wherever they have made their community, that place is clearly blessed by their presence there. Their stories also made me much more aware of how vulnerable people are after leaving a high control group. It is heartbreaking that someone took advantage of their vulnerability instead of offering them genuine support. I’m glad they have both found their way into the happinesses they deserve. I wish them and their family everything good for their future.
I love hearing other people’s stories about their oppressive religion escapes. I grew up in an oppressive Pentecostal church that made me feel I could be who I am. This channel is awesome. I’m impressed with Luke’s beard. I’d be awful as an Amish man as I can’t grow a decent beard. Lol.
Round 2 in a really tough "boot camp" for discovering and recovering agency, and authenticity. Kudos! It's encouraging, to me, that the younger "escapees" are talking about agency instead of victimhood. I'm thinking it may be due to the influence of more people talking about agency now. To me, it's a rite of passage that we all (everyone on the planet) will, sooner or later, encounter and begin the process of moving through the various stages of reclaiming our true spiritual nature. I was born and grew up in a horse and buggy Old order Mennonite community in Pa., and left at around age 28. I explored but never joined another church because I never wanted another human being to be able to dominate/shame/manipulate me with religion. My weakness was in putting my hope and faith in significant others, who were other versions of controlling people I grew up with. Reclaiming agency is not for the faint of heart. It is a journey, and removing the onion layers can take a long, long time.
My goodness🤦🏻♀️ these false teachings in cults really suck the life out of you. The control and abuse, mentally and physically is demonic! 😡 . This couple and many others on this channel are truly courageous survivors. I applause your bravery and awakening. 👏🏽👏🏽 thank you for sharing ❤🙏🏽
What a lovely couple. I am so happy for them both. It is so impressive how open and appreciative they are of each other. So kind of them to share their story so openly. I am wondering what cities in Michigan have Amish communities?
Very much resonated with not having things in common because I grew up in an unusual way and finding it hard to find friends. Such a beautiful and honest couple. Such beautiful hearts. Love how each of them talked and the obvious love. They never seemed to hurry the other person to finish or speak over each other. Such a great interview. I love how empowering you are when you interview people.
I thought after Part 1 that Luci's story would make an amazing movie but NOW OMG after seeing her and Luke I know it would!! Tied up with a "happy ending bow" and everything! 🥰
This is such a beautiful story and couple. A true love story after a hard life. So happy you found each other and I really hope you both have a beautiful happy life together ❤️❤️❤️
I too have learned so much about myself by watching this channel. I grew up in a cult like environment but my dad refused to set foot inside a church and my mother did more of just dropping me off at church then she actually attended church as an adult. But I was the demon child who destroyed my mother's life and the family too. Thank you for having this channel. Learning new things about one's self is so empowering. So much growth...
Loved both of these episodes. What an awesome couple and Testimony of Gods love and grace in your lives! The best I’ve seen on this channel. All are good, but this one is the best!
You both are awesome. I love how you speak about finding your own path to spirituality, and how to give push back is a healthy thing. Learning and growth comes out of the push and pull of discussion. Also, how we live in a complicated world with so much gray area. So many people these days see things as black and white, with no gray area. Congratulations to the both of you for finding your way! This was a great interview.
I really enjoyed this episode, and it resonated with me. I met my husband in a cult. Our dating relationship and marriage was highly directed and controlled by people in our church. Two years ago when I left the cult I planned to divorce him at the same time. He left the church a few months after me. It has been so much fun getting to deconstruct our faith and marriage together. It's been so exciting (with the help of intense therapy) to decide what kind of marriage we want to have. We try everything and keep what we like and toss out what we don't. It has been freeing to decide what role we want our faith and religious community to play in our lives. Thanks for sharing your story. It was very relatable ❤
“When I ask what I have to say to myself today, there is a long pause, and then there’s this: Do not be daunted by the time it takes to heal. It took years for your mind to be shaped by old fears and it will take years to let those old fears go. But nothing is lost in this long process and everything is gained - happiness, creativity, awareness, increased capacity to be kind, to know truth, to share love. It’s so worth it to keep going, even if the task of healing seems endless. ” - Danna Faulds
Amazing couple. Luke absolutely adores Lucy...love the way he looks at her and listens to what she says. Together they have found their way and what is right for them...relationship goals right there❤
You are incredible people and I am so glad you found each other and are helping each other to heal, as partners and as individuals. And I love that you're "Luci & Luke" b/c that's cute as heck.❤❤❤ 🌻"Whatever you believe, you're supposed to come by that honestly."🌻. So true and so important. The things we figure out for ourselves are more genuine and more likely to "stick" - kinda similar to how when I learn a new song on piano or guitar by transcribing it myself by ear (vs. finding a chord chart to follow online), the chances of retaining it are much higher since more thinking and more engagement are required. Whereas "second-hand beliefs" that force you to rely upon others' experiences and interpretations without question can be dismantled much more easily, and are less likely to be integrated into the fabric of your existence. Always 'see for yourself', and trust the process as they say. 🙌"We took back our ability to choose."🙌 That quote right there - that's why things happened how they did. I can't imagine how exhilarating yet overwhelming it must have been to finally have autonomy, to not be controlled, to make your own decisions. Flying out of the nest can be terrifying, but there's no other option when it's time to test your wings and find out what freedom feels like. At long last, those trials are behind you. Enjoy the tribulations, because you both deserve to live how you see fit without fear of judgement.
Great guests, as always - I especially love how you paint the picture really well, of what it could look like, to build non-culty community - also, just as with Shelise and Jonathan, I love seeing healthy affirming couple/true partners relationships, bc it encourages and reminds me that it truly is possible 💜⚡️
I could relate to this couple so much regarding my spiritual abuse through the Independent Fundamental Baptist churches. Some of the same methods were used in the abusive church we attended like shunning, fear mongering by telling the Moses story to prevent people from challenging or speaking out against the authority, seeking counsel outside of the church, and other things! Thank you for telling your story! We spent over 40 years in the IFB churches and experienced some form of abuse in every single one of them.
What a beautiful couple! 💕 Thank you both for sharing your stories with us. My favorite part was hearing about your lovely community dinners. That is exactly what communion means. ❤ Blessings to you both! 🥰
I love this interview. What a precious couple. I'm glad they have ,and as I have done my own self To find my own relationship with God on my own terms. Without a church or pastor telling me what to believe. So utmost respect. Thank you all❤
Wonderful interview. How extraordinarily intelligent and articulate are Luci, and Luke . Their talk about community starting around 1hr2minws to the end is just lovely, I've replayed a few times now.
You guys are so beautiful. Your comment about black/white/gray struck such a cord with me. I have always said the only black and white in life is God is good and the devil is bad….everything else is just a million shades of gray. The dinners for conversation that you have sound so amazing! What a blessing to find people who think and make their own decisions and yet still love the Lord. So many people think that isn’t possible. But it is!! I will be following you on social media now. Thank you for speaking out and sharing your story. Blessings to you both.
The devil almost entirely an invention of medieval Christianity, trying to reconcile all loving God with one they had to desperately suck up too, just in case he decided to damn them all to hell, also almost entirely a medieval invention. Don't worry though he's shoooo cute, he made rainbows and stuff to remind people he wouldn't flood the earth, Yellowstone/another asteroid/rogue planet nah nah fear that shit still
Such a beautiful couple, I can feel their love all the way down here in Australia. Thank you for sharing your stories and wish you all the best for the future.
My gosh❤ Being that my name is Linda, when Luke made his “Linda listen”comment it was like he was speaking to me because this was so spot on and I couldn’t believe his words 😮 I felt like they were for me to hear today. When I met them both several years ago, I knew immediately the kind of people that they were… Kind, good, caring, loving, and everything positive. All I can say is thank you for posting the interview and God bless you and your family and everything that you do. ✝️🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼
I have never seen such strength and such gentleness in the same place. Watching this couple is like watching the weather. May I please be invited to the feast? I'll help chop onions or wash dishes or whatever.
One of my favorite quotes is “Be good, and you will be lonesome.” And songwriter Jimmy Buffet added, “Be lonesome, and you will be free.” Your statements about leaving the control of the church(es) reminded me of this quote.
One of my favorite interviews. Not only did they individually heal themselves, but they moved forward as a couple healing one another and reaching out into communities to invite healing there as well. Imagine a world like this? That to me is the essence of what Christ envisioned for humanity. My heart is touched so deeply by this couple. Sigh ...
I agree. This is my favorite episode. I love that I was smiling by the end. They are truly a joy to listen to.
yes! such a special interview. People with such bright shining spirit speaking truth so confidently.
@Grant7619 The host is not a Christian. She did come out of mormonism. One of the videos is Shelise telling her story and her current personal spiritual beliefs. Some of the guests are believers. All the guests have come out of various cults. Shelise is very skillful and wise in the way she asks questions and lets folks tell their own story.
I can’t help but notice how lovingly Luke looks at Lucy 😊
It’s so nice to see that through all their trauma and abuse that they found each other
This is beautiful ❤️ a perfect love story. So happy your both together and happy ❤️❤️
@@bradpenrice6265 absolutely ❤️
Yes! I kept thinking this. You can see they truly admire one another.
The love is so present between them!! It’s almost tangible- so beautiful ❤️
He was looking at her like she’s the most incredible human he’s ever come across and was so so sweet with his words about her. They are such a lovely couple. The world needs more folks like this and I cannot help but to think of how happy!!!! and healthy!!! their daughter must be with such role models! This was an incredible story. Love this channel and all the light these people bring from bad situations. So many painful stories but beautiful people.
This episode touched my heart when it was said “we sought God in the church but really found Him when we left the church and made our little family the priority.” So glad you claimed your autonomy and left the death grip of that cult. You and this channel are making a positive difference in this world 👏
What a beautiful couple! You can just feel their love for each other oozing out of the screen!
I grew up as a family friend of this particular Coblentz family (in Michigan ) and I just can’t be thankful enough for the experience and memories I have spending summer weekends with some of his younger sister his parents have always been the most amazing people so sad they where treated that way by their community but in a way so glad bc I wouldn’t have been able to get so close to Luke family and learn all the thing they taught me I’ll never forget the red dress they made me to wear when I was at their house they Made my childhood BETTER!!!
I could listen to her talk for hours. Thank you for having her back on!!
I LOVE THIS COUPLE. THEY HAVE SO WISDOM AND ADMIRE THEM.
Addressing the nuance of religious autonomy is quite a delightful section of this presentation.
Yes, folks who leave high control abusive religions are at risk of being abused again. Like a woman escaping one abusive partner and moving unwittingly to the next abusive partner. They are blind to the warning signs. I am glad this couple escaped again.
You two are beautiful together, so kind, respectful, loving… it’s just the perfect definition of a very healthy and loving relationship. Congratulations on your healing journey and wishing you the very best for the future ❤
Thank you!
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
@@katwitanruna you were my inspiration to put power to survivors. I love that you are always here. It is such an important lesson to learn. Abuse cycles are hard to break. I just want you know it makes a difference 💟
@@greg-op2jh thanks so much! Words like this help me go on.
What is the name of this group? Exposing them might help others.
They are so wholesome and sweet to each other.
Beautiful people, wonderful minds. Pleasure to watch and listen. Truly healing, you are so correct. Thank you for sharing your stories with us ❤
His linda listen moment was so perfect. Something I needed to hear today
Agreed! Very timely for me as well. 😢
I'm not crying...it's the onions ❤😊... beautiful couple. Beautiful story of strength and healing ❤
So amazing how all of these high control groups are operating from the exact same playbook. And we only really recognize how similar the modus operandi are when we hear about all the different cults and religions that are using this same playbook. I guess it's been working for thousands of years so they figure no need to change it. It's only gotten worse. We need ways to protect children who should be allowed freedom of religion as well, as individual human beings. It is not appropriate that religion is used to control people and especially children and they get away with it almost all the time. Blessings to all the apostates!!! You are the courageous people much more courageous than most. 💗
Thank You both SO MUCH for your courage!!! It makes a HUGE difference. You are a gift to the world just as You are and please forgive yourselves for anything You have had to do or experienced on your road to a healthier Life. We know what We know and do what is necessary until We know and can do better. You are worthy and wonderful and created by a LOVING Source that cares and wants your Joy! 🙏🏽❤️🦋
One of my favorite episodes! It's so encouraging when I see people who have been broken and suppressed by their religion or culture begin to heal and thrive. It is a true celebration of the human spirit and, I believe, God's power and grace.
I love watching people come on & talk about what the Bible truly says. It's a great reminder to believers & also to educate others who may have been mislead by certain "Christians" actions. It's also so inspiring to hear the spiritual trauma these people have endured but they still aren't jaded with the Bible because of it all. The love between you 2 is so visible. I can really see your connection with each other, & I loved hearing you talk about each other. Loved these episodes!
Wrote in my affirmation book
My regrets are in the past, I will grant grace to my younger self as I continue to grow.
I'm so excited when you post. There is so much wrong having a light shined on it because of your channel and your wonderful guests. Bless y'all.
What a beautiful couple! What an inspiring journey! Thank you for sharing your story and thank you Shelise, as always, for having such wonderful people on your show. I love Luci's message about what "community" is. Kudos to all!
This was a great interview. You two have been on quite the journey. I am happy that you are thriving and forming communities.
Gosh, Shalise is really amazing with her guests. I love how good you treat everyone. This channel gives me hope.
It was so great seeing the two of you interact. I could see the love and respect you two have for each other! So happy you helped each other grow and find love and yourselves
Thank you!!
The love they have for each other. The way they look into each other's eyes. It is absolutely beautiful! Sending love to both of them! Both beautiful on the inside and out. Power to Survivors! ❤ Ps. Shelise sounds like she is feeling better!
Thank you for sharing your story. It made me remember some things from the church I was in as a teenager and gave me perspective on some of the very wrong things that were taught. Your words helped break down and evaporate the fog that has stayed with me all these years. Again Thank all of you for making this video. Love the Linda Listen’s. We all need to be reminded that it’s going to be okay. 🦋🦋🦋
Hands down the best interview this channel has ever had! What a beautiful healthy couple!
I needed to hear this. So often I feel my path to autonomous spirituality was unique. I hear echoes of my story here, leaving the high control religion of my teens only to find myself in a cult in my early 20s. I am glad you had partners to sort it out. The internal moral compass that chooses love is always better than another's list of transgressions used to control our minds and replace our own moral compass. Thanks for the Linda listens!! you guys are spot on in your message.
These two are relationship goals. Their mutual respect and admiration is VISIBLE as they each actively listen when their partner speaks. I bet they're excellent friends to have too. Also, this channel and many others that seek to get people's stories out and create community (which is what Luci and Luke do as well) is why I think You Tube is such an obsession for so many. Plus you can watch a video and learn how to fix your own dryer, whelp puppies, cook a perfect steak etc. Congratulations to you all.
This is one of my all time favorite episodes. What an awesome couple, so well spoken and wise.
Lots of Coblentz Amish and Mennonite in Michigan. I'm sure I know some of your relatives, lol. I do know some that got out of those cults and ended up in others. The journey to truth is a crazy one. It's sad when we experience so much control and abuse that we often can't tell when we are being controlled and abused by someone else because it is just a little less or different.
While these two were meeting in the Amish community, I was in the same state. Growing up and being indoctrinated in another high control religion. We're probably all close to the same age. Small world!
@@jaccaj1626same!
I loved listening to your story and thank you so much for allowing us a glimpse into your life. I too was raised in a cult, and although I ran away from my mothers home at 13, and landed at my fathers who was total polar opposite from my mother I ended up returning to the church of my mother because it was so heavily ingrained into my four year old self. Eventually I did leave again, and made many mistakes, but I still believed everything I was taught. It’s been a long road of unlearning and relearning but it’s been totally worth it and I wouldn’t be able to change a thing, because I’ve learned so much more than I ever could have hoped for. I totally enjoyed Luke’s Linda Listen statement, and it was really just what I needed, and brought tears to my eyes. Again thank you both.
They're right. You've created a safe space for people to share some of the darkest moments in their lives and to realize there is hope and healing ahead. I've been triggered, disturbed, and emotionally emerged with a sense of peace that we can overcome. Thanks so much for sharing!
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Is there a reason why the actual name of the cult isnt mentioned?
Not sure but I think they’re talking about Mark Driscoll and his groups
❤ stop abuse ❤ stop hate ❤ start love ❤
So glad they found their way to happiness
I have so many thoughts about this episode. Luci and Luke are just an amazing couple to watch. I love how compassionate they are toward each other and the love they so openly share for each other. I also love that they found their own path to faith that provides them joy and peace outside the religious oppression they have endured. They are people who I would be deeply honored to call friends. Wherever they have made their community, that place is clearly blessed by their presence there.
Their stories also made me much more aware of how vulnerable people are after leaving a high control group. It is heartbreaking that someone took advantage of their vulnerability instead of offering them genuine support. I’m glad they have both found their way into the happinesses they deserve.
I wish them and their family everything good for their future.
I love hearing other people’s stories about their oppressive religion escapes. I grew up in an oppressive Pentecostal church that made me feel I could be who I am. This channel is awesome. I’m impressed with Luke’s beard. I’d be awful as an Amish man as I can’t grow a decent beard. Lol.
So sorry you were raised in that and happy your out. I hope ur living well. Yep great beard 😂 xx
Round 2 in a really tough "boot camp" for discovering and recovering agency, and authenticity. Kudos!
It's encouraging, to me, that the younger "escapees" are talking about agency instead of victimhood. I'm thinking it may be due to the influence of more people talking about agency now. To me, it's a rite of passage that we all (everyone on the planet) will, sooner or later, encounter and begin the process of moving through the various stages of reclaiming our true spiritual nature.
I was born and grew up in a horse and buggy Old order Mennonite community in Pa., and left at around age 28. I explored but never joined another church because I never wanted another human being to be able to dominate/shame/manipulate me with religion. My weakness was in putting my hope and faith in significant others, who were other versions of controlling people I grew up with. Reclaiming agency is not for the faint of heart. It is a journey, and removing the onion layers can take a long, long time.
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A wonderful interview. Thank you all for the vulnerability and grace!!!
Loved this interview so much! I’m glad that they have found a healthy community… and are working to build their own!
My goodness🤦🏻♀️ these false teachings in cults really suck the life out of you. The control and abuse, mentally and physically is demonic! 😡 . This couple and many others on this channel are truly courageous survivors. I applause your bravery and awakening. 👏🏽👏🏽 thank you for sharing ❤🙏🏽
I wish we could have a dinner like that in Utah! That's such a beautiful way to create the solution to your needs. Thanks y'all!
What a beautiful couple. The love they have for each other is so evident when they look at each other and the way they speak
What a lovely couple. I am so happy for them both. It is so impressive how open and appreciative they are of each other. So kind of them to share their story so openly. I am wondering what cities in Michigan have Amish communities?
Incredible interview!! They are so wise. Thanks for what you do Shelise!
It really goes to show how vulnerable people leaving these cults really are. I'm so sorry that this happened to them.
Thank you, Luke and Luci for sharing your experience. ❤
Thank you for watching!❤
Very much resonated with not having things in common because I grew up in an unusual way and finding it hard to find friends.
Such a beautiful and honest couple. Such beautiful hearts. Love how each of them talked and the obvious love. They never seemed to hurry the other person to finish or speak over each other. Such a great interview. I love how empowering you are when you interview people.
I love the smile of joy on her face when he talks about how beautiful he thinks she is. Sooo sweet.
I thought after Part 1 that Luci's story would make an amazing movie but NOW OMG after seeing her and Luke I know it would!! Tied up with a "happy ending bow" and everything! 🥰
This is such a beautiful story and couple. A true love story after a hard life. So happy you found each other and I really hope you both have a beautiful happy life together ❤️❤️❤️
I have had the great honor to spent time with these two. Their pure geuine souls is a light to all around them
By far one of my faves!! And she's so right! You are such a amazing person and listener ❤❤
I too have learned so much about myself by watching this channel. I grew up in a cult like environment but my dad refused to set foot inside a church and my mother did more of just dropping me off at church then she actually attended church as an adult. But I was the demon child who destroyed my mother's life and the family too. Thank you for having this channel. Learning new things about one's self is so empowering. So much growth...
Loved both of these episodes. What an awesome couple and
Testimony of Gods love and grace in your lives! The best I’ve seen on this channel. All are good, but this one is the best!
Thank you so much for sharing your story and journey! You both are beautiful souls and you have so much to offer this world. ❤️❤️❤️
I love how he talks about her 🥹 thank you for sharing your story with us 🥳💚✨
You both are awesome. I love how you speak about finding your own path to spirituality, and how to give push back is a healthy thing. Learning and growth comes out of the push and pull of discussion. Also, how we live in a complicated world with so much gray area. So many people these days see things as black and white, with no gray area. Congratulations to the both of you for finding your way! This was a great interview.
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The proof you are strong, you can change and grow within, and what is true with God in yourself.
Such a beautiful couple with beautiful souls inspiring so many people through this interview. WOW! ❤❤ Incredible 2 episodes.
I really enjoyed this episode, and it resonated with me. I met my husband in a cult. Our dating relationship and marriage was highly directed and controlled by people in our church. Two years ago when I left the cult I planned to divorce him at the same time. He left the church a few months after me. It has been so much fun getting to deconstruct our faith and marriage together. It's been so exciting (with the help of intense therapy) to decide what kind of marriage we want to have. We try everything and keep what we like and toss out what we don't. It has been freeing to decide what role we want our faith and religious community to play in our lives. Thanks for sharing your story. It was very relatable
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Thank you for sharing this! I wish you so much love on your journey 💓
Thank you for sharing your story. I truly love this couple. They’re amazing.
“When I ask what I have to say to myself today, there is a long pause, and then there’s this: Do not be daunted by the time it takes to heal. It took years for your mind to be shaped by old fears and it will take years to let those old fears go. But nothing is lost in this long process and everything is gained - happiness, creativity, awareness, increased capacity to be kind, to know truth, to share love. It’s so worth it to keep going, even if the task of healing seems endless. ”
- Danna Faulds
Amazing couple. Luke absolutely adores Lucy...love the way he looks at her and listens to what she says.
Together they have found their way and what is right for them...relationship goals right there❤
Thank you all 💜✨💜
So hesling to hear their story of growth from religious legalism to love snd grace! I'm inspired for my own journey!
You are incredible people and I am so glad you found each other and are helping each other to heal, as partners and as individuals.
And I love that you're "Luci & Luke" b/c that's cute as heck.❤❤❤
🌻"Whatever you believe, you're supposed to come by that honestly."🌻. So true and so important. The things we figure out for ourselves are more genuine and more likely to "stick" - kinda similar to how when I learn a new song on piano or guitar by transcribing it myself by ear (vs. finding a chord chart to follow online), the chances of retaining it are much higher since more thinking and more engagement are required. Whereas "second-hand beliefs" that force you to rely upon others' experiences and interpretations without question can be dismantled much more easily, and are less likely to be integrated into the fabric of your existence. Always 'see for yourself', and trust the process as they say.
🙌"We took back our ability to choose."🙌 That quote right there - that's why things happened how they did. I can't imagine how exhilarating yet overwhelming it must have been to finally have autonomy, to not be controlled, to make your own decisions. Flying out of the nest can be terrifying, but there's no other option when it's time to test your wings and find out what freedom feels like. At long last, those trials are behind you. Enjoy the tribulations, because you both deserve to live how you see fit without fear of judgement.
Thank you for another great interview ❤
Such beacons of light that came out of dark times. They have so much wisdom for a young couple. Thank you for sharing more of your story. ❤
I loved this interview. What an amazingly thoughtful couple. The love they still have for community even after all they’ve been through.❤
What a treat! A victorious exit from a cult (including the hard work to be free on the inside) and living a joyful life now! 💖
Great guests, as always - I especially love how you paint the picture really well, of what it could look like, to build non-culty community - also, just as with Shelise and Jonathan, I love seeing healthy affirming couple/true partners relationships, bc it encourages and reminds me that it truly is possible 💜⚡️
I could relate to this couple so much regarding my spiritual abuse through the Independent Fundamental Baptist churches. Some of the same methods were used in the abusive church we attended like shunning, fear mongering by telling the Moses story to prevent people from challenging or speaking out against the authority, seeking counsel outside of the church, and other things! Thank you for telling your story! We spent over 40 years in the IFB churches and experienced some form of abuse in every single one of them.
What a beautiful couple! 💕 Thank you both for sharing your stories with us. My favorite part was hearing about your lovely community dinners. That is exactly what communion means. ❤ Blessings to you both! 🥰
What a wonderful couple! Thank you for bringing them to us and thanks to Lucy and Luke for sharing!
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I love this interview. What a precious couple. I'm glad they have ,and as I have done my own self To find my own relationship with God on my own terms. Without a church or pastor telling me what to believe. So utmost respect. Thank you all❤
Definitely one of my most favorite interviews i have seen and thats hard to say, there are so many amazing stories ❤️
Love this adorable couple and so enlightening to hear their stories.❤
Wonderful interview. How extraordinarily intelligent and articulate are Luci, and Luke . Their talk about community starting around 1hr2minws to the end is just lovely, I've replayed a few times now.
Precious couple! Wise and humble.
You guys are so beautiful. Your comment about black/white/gray struck such a cord with me. I have always said the only black and white in life is God is good and the devil is bad….everything else is just a million shades of gray. The dinners for conversation that you have sound so amazing! What a blessing to find people who think and make their own decisions and yet still love the Lord. So many people think that isn’t possible. But it is!! I will be following you on social media now. Thank you for speaking out and sharing your story. Blessings to you both.
The devil almost entirely an invention of medieval Christianity, trying to reconcile all loving God with one they had to desperately suck up too, just in case he decided to damn them all to hell, also almost entirely a medieval invention. Don't worry though he's shoooo cute, he made rainbows and stuff to remind people he wouldn't flood the earth, Yellowstone/another asteroid/rogue planet nah nah fear that shit still
I am so inspired by this lady, she is so courageous. And, I am so happy you both found each other.
Love to you both,
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Such a beautiful couple, I can feel their love all the way down here in Australia. Thank you for sharing your stories and wish you all the best for the future.
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Fabulous interview. Love to all of you!
BIG LOVE to you all from Michigan! Great convo. Fantastic "Linda Listen" closers! Be well!
What a beautiful couple that is truly growing together. Loved it.
What a great couple! They are so loving. God bless you always.
Absolute inspiration! Thank you for sharing Luke and Luci. ❤
Thank you for watching!
My gosh❤ Being that my name is Linda, when Luke made his “Linda listen”comment it was like he was speaking to me because this was so spot on and I couldn’t believe his words 😮 I felt like they were for me to hear today. When I met them both several years ago, I knew immediately the kind of people that they were… Kind, good, caring, loving, and everything positive. All I can say is thank you for posting the interview and God bless you and your family and everything that you do. ✝️🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼
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Thank you so much,Luke & Luci for sharing your stories,& the beautiful way you are building a community ! ❤❤ Very inspiring!
Thank you for watching!
You can see how much they love each other ❤❤❤
Liked. Shared. Commented. Up the algorithm until this channel is no longer necessary.
The amount of wisdom these two have curated in their disentanglement is so impressive and encouraging.
I have never seen such strength and such gentleness in the same place. Watching this couple is like watching the weather. May I please be invited to the feast? I'll help chop onions or wash dishes or whatever.
So cute that he knew she was the one when they were younger then providence has them meet up a couple years later.
What church was this ?
Yes, this church/leader needs to be called out!
One of my favorite quotes is “Be good, and you will be lonesome.” And songwriter Jimmy Buffet added, “Be lonesome, and you will be free.” Your statements about leaving the control of the church(es) reminded me of this quote.