There are a couple of companies making affordable remakes, the originals are still better. Plenty of junk pistols coming out of there too. Then there is a half dozen companies rolling out absolute garbage shotguns, one maybe two making passable affordable shotguns and one shotgun company making actually good stuff. The only thing that appears to be exceptional is the Mete MC9, lets see if it stands the test of time.
As an older person who does have Arthritis in my shooting hand (Blast It), I think I found my new “Nightstand” Pistol. Put on a good Light, some quality JHP, the Wife and I should be good to go for an extra decade! Thanks Sootch!
One thing people tend to not mention about tip up barrels is they not only make it easier to load a round in the chamber but they also make easier and safer to REMOVE a round from the chamber. Some pistols don't take well to having a live round racked out of the chamber.
Great point, except the 14T has no ejector. Experience with a Betetta M21A and 3032 tells me this . Otherwise you made a valid point. I actually just bought a Girsan about 2 hours ago, we'll see how it does Saturday
I love tip up barrels. Drop one in the top, throw the safety on, drop it in the fanny pack. Ready to pull out safely, thumb that safety off and get to work.
Who knows, maybe some kid who grows up with such unconventional styles turns around and becomes the next great firearm innovator! Cookie-cutter designs make it harder to think outside the box
Every time I found a Beretta Model 86, it was way out of my price range. I just found and bought a Girsan MC14T very affordably, thanks mostly to your reviews! Many thanks! An Extractor is incompatible with the tip-up feature on any of the tip-up barrel types, as it would be engaged when the bolt is in-battery, and you wouldn't be able to tip up the barrel without damaging it, or the cartridge rim.
Hi Scootch00, Great Review as always. I bought one of these cool little pistols a few weeks ago, because I'm also a lover of the Beretta flip up barrel pistols. Here are some things I discovered.... Yes you can use your Beretta 84 13-round magazines in this pistol. I used them and the pistol ran flawlessly. I'm a gunsmith, and I was able to easily remove the front barrel pin and break down the firearm for cleaning and lubrication. It's not that hard, and I would recomend a few things... Have a quality set of firearm punches and pin starter punches. The big takeaway from tearing the pistol down is to put some masking tape or blue painters tape around the area where you will remove the pin. You don't want to rub the frame and get an idiot mark on it from the pin or the punch as your are driving it in or out. Overall, I really like the pistol. Hope this helps a few people.
@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS Yea! .380 acp is only effective at muzzle with defensive ammo. After 2ft 3.7574727174 in it bounces off of targets. Best to go with 10 millie meetrAy because it kicks much less than .380 acp and shoots almost as flat.
Most of us older folks aren't susceptible to the woke and anti-Constitution nonsense that's so prevalent in 2023. We're a reliable firearms market. Racking the slide is no issue for me, but the tip-up option is nice. I load my 3032 Tomcat that way every time.
Great review, Sootch. One thing I would stress with these Beretta-style tip-up barreled guns is that racking the slide will NOT clear a round from the chamber. I found this out with a tiny .25 I bought decades ago. Most of us old timers are programmed to clear an automatic by dropping the mag and racking the slide to eject the round in the barrel. It doesn't work here, and you could have a tragic accident if you don't tip the barrel up and check. That being said, I now want one! --Old Guy
My wife has a little .22 Beretta with that flip/tip up barrel/chamber and I REALLY LIKE IT. It's probably one of the most unique features but really useful. I like being able to check the chamber without racking the slide. It's super handy.
My MC14T had very bad feed issues and the company refused to fix it. I finally took it to a local gunsmith and he polished the lower feed ramp and it runs great now. Very disappointed in EAA standing behind their product.
Both this & the 80X have caught my eye. I am an avid .380 shooter/collector. I have sought after an 86 for a long time with no joy! This Girsan, while its not a Beretta, will afford many of us the 86 experience without the expense!
@@BaddFrogg777 I hear you. The price can be a deterrent, but it will outlast you and you 1st born. Don't overlook the used market for 84's & 85's. You may not find a safe queen, but you find something that will suit your need without spending too much!
The Republic..... Perfect! And thank you for such a thorough review. My better half is in a ....." compromised physical condition. " She bought a hellcat pro based on the sale at the time, but can not comfortably rack it in. YEA ME!!!!!!!!!! So, now we start the journey of her perfect home defense and carry weapon. This is an amazing, viable option. Love in Christ, Coop.
My Beretta 86 doesn't have an extractor; the Girsan tip up lever is an improvement over the original as well. The Beretta has more length of travel to tip the bbl and lock it back. I'm actually exited to pick this up. Love the Beretta design, there's not much out there as buttery smooth...
OK yea you need to have an external extractor for any weak loads, also the malfunctions most likely were caused by lower pressure ammo, in a straight blowback you want high power loads for consistent reliability!
With these all metal guns with decent length barrels ammunition makers should start doing dedicated lines for these 380 pistols as they can handle the pressure, 380 +p+ with about 300 to 350 fpe would really be nice
Tip up barrel in a larger frame makes a good idea for those of us with arthritis. I have a S&W M&P 2.0 9 EZ. It is my carry gun when my Arthritis kicks up. The grip and thumb safety make a lot of sense for me. Cheers
This firearm should be getting more love! This may be the best .380 home defense/range pistol for people who want that. Longer barrel, double stack mag, and slightly heavier than most 380’s for quicker shots and less recoil.
I had gotten my wife, who has cerebral palsy, a Smith & Wesson .380 EZ, and she wasn't able to really shoot it because she couldn't get the backstrap safety to press in all the way, and it was causing her to flinch really bad. We're trading it out for one of these because she can operate every feature of it except the slide, which she doesn't have to do to fire the gun. I might have to get one of these for myself as well.
I know Tisas is producing Beretta Cheetah clones under license from Beretta, but I wasn’t aware of these. I really like the Cheetah, and maybe this goes on my wish list. Thanks for sharing!
I ordered the new ported version. It’s very nice looking with lots of gold accents and a wood grip and it’s ported. The one thing I’m concerned about is the inability to get in there and clean those rails and other areas out good after a while who knows if you’re gonna start having malfunctions because it gets so dirty. I can’t believe that they didn’t think about that, I would have to have to take it to a gunsmith and have that barrel removed and cleaned it real good that’s a pain in the butt
I am excited. My state’s Handgun Roster Board approved it on Wednesday. It will be published with the other handguns in 2 weeks and legal for sale on July 31.
I Hope not, or with another quality level. My Taurus PT58 HC had 2 too 5 malfunctions a magasine and rusted in less than 2 days of carry. Absolute garbage.👎🏻
Not exactly. Beretta is bringing back an updated 84, namely the 80x, but this Girsan is based on Beretta's 86, which has the tip up barrel. Beretta is not reintroducing the 86.
I like the Turks bring back some of the older guns. I would love to see Turkey make the Ruger old P series pistols with quality sights. P89, P90, P45. Those were bulky, but at the time, pretty good guns. I got rid of my P45 but I still have a P89. I shoot it quite a bit. Fun and accurate.
hrfunk reviewed this on his channel...his example had feeding issues with 2 different brands of 380 ball ammo; seems the one sootch got was much better...
Lucked up on one of the surplus beretta 81s(under $200.didn’t pay for handpicked option & still one with a beautiful finish)from classic firearms.they were carried in a flap holster(whole gun was well protected through the years)think.?.Appears to be a carried a lot,shot very little.Grips looked new but sooo glad I tried the thin checkered grips from LOK (grip measurements in description on LOK website didn’t seem like a lot of difference,but in the hand..a lot thinner feel & just better all around.original grips in such good condition & LOKs cost %30> of the gun…but worth it. This gun looks pretty nice & love the 13+1 rds.Going to have to keep & eye out for one.agree that it would be better with extractor but not a deal breaker.hopefully it doesn’t have a goofball magazine disconnect.Could do without unnecessary directions to read a manual engraved on any gun!If gun manufacturers feel the need or must (for legal/import restrictions)put a warning of some sort on a gun.?.a sticker or printed (removable paint or something)would be appreciated.Bottom line,can deal with the gun as is.They have some pretty sweet high value 1911s I’m eyeballing already. The Turks are doing a good job & getting their part of the American gun market while the getting is good..Smart..Thx for showing us the gun Mr.S.Take care over there on the W side of the mighty PD.. B.Wills Moore Co.(grew up in Richmond Co.,but don’t tell anyone or hold it against me. I kid…still a lot of good ppl in Richmond county.)
Ever since I fell down a flight of stairs and broke my right arm in 3 places, I have to admit it hurts to fire my EDC Sig P365XL at the range. So, I take a couple aspirin and shoot 50 rounds instead of 100. There's always a work around
The Beretta 86 didn’t have an extractor either. The reason being is the tilt up barrel design. That’s also why the other Beretta tip ups don’t have one. But great video. I hope to add one of these to my collection of 80 series.
Yeah, I don't think it would be easy to have an extractor in the tip-up barrel models. It's a safety issue, in that racking the slide doesn't guarantee an empty chamber. I'd hope the manual would emphasize this!
@sootch00 I appreciate..as do thousands of others , your honest and insightful evaluation of all these weapons..our collective hobby and passion!! Thank you !
I am impressed with the Turkish craftsmanship! During the pandemic I purchased a couple of Turkish pellet Rifles! We set up a range in the back yard and we could shoot as much as we liked. The Turks are going to be a major manufacturing country if they can quit all the fighting over there! I’m glad the U.S. is out of there. All we ever did was poke the bear and cause trouble!
Girsan has a ported barrel version of this gun called the "Lady" for less muzzle rise and faster follow up shots. It has gold accents too for not too much more money. I'd like to see a review of that gun and how well the ported barrel reduces the recoil. Also in the video you said that the barrel was 3.81", but beretta says that the 86 is 4.375 and Girsan says 4.5". That is the longest barrel .380 that i've ever heard of, and .380 is one of my favorite calibers. I wonder how much extra velocity you get and more reliable expansion from hollow point ammo.
Great video as always Sootch!! This Gun is on the cover of Guns and Ammo and the featured firearm! It seems like this gun is also a mix of the 92FS compact with the rail because I own one besides an M-9 , 92FS, 84FS and a Bobcat . I'm not a big fan of Turkish gun's especially 1911's when you can buy American for a few dollars more 🤣.. but this gun is cool and unique!! One thing you didn't point out is Girsan ships the gun with an extended mag that has an external notch for a round on the side for a quick reload if needed.
I really wish someone would make a locked breech, easy rack .380 pistol that is full sized and red dot ready. Threaded barrel would be a plus too. I’ll guess I’ll keep dreaming…
Professional analysis is always important. This gun might have been the most accurate gun on the market. You would simply have to add a small soloist at the end of the barrel to the rear sight and place it on top of the aforementioned soloist, in such a way that the sights are fixed on the barrel. It would be necessary to put a polygonal barrel and a nail extractor is also essential. Without a doubt the remarkable design of the tilting gun could have easily been perfected and made perfect. It is understood that the wonderful Beretta gunsmiths were not supported enough by the Engineers, otherwise we would already have it available. The other modification must come to the 380 caliber that has to go to 9x18 of German origin and perfect the loads, to obtain an ideal projectile in terms of pressure, recoil and tuning in pocket weapons for the 21st century.-
I just thought of how you make it in 9mm, a small roller delay lock system ala the H&K roller lock system, the Walther system used in the 92 won't work for a tipping barrel.
The Beretta tip up models don't have an extractor either because it would interfere with the tip up. Isn't a real issue for 380 unless you've put a lot of rounds through the gun without cleaning the barrel. I had a 21a and it would start having extraction issues after about 75 rounds because 22lr is dirty.
@@louisbabycos106 I mean, hi point is trash and should never be mentioned for any reason. Was also referring to handguns, obviously. PCCs are pointless in every context, not just hi point
In any blowback .380 you have to hold tight onto the gun it is imperative that it have a solid backstop to push against. I have carried a Walther PPKs for many years. Whenever one of my friends limp wrist my gun it jams. It never does that to me. I just tell them to use their man hands and hold on. Any malfunctions that this gun is having can probably be attributed to the same thing.
An external extractor would not be of any use. The barrel is pinned to the front of the frame, so the barrel does not recoil any to impart rearward movement to the slide to enable a slide-mounted extractor to remove a casing from the barrel. All of the slide's rearward movement is derived from a casing moving backwards out of the barrel.
@georgewhitworth9742 the companies that tried did not make a good product.....they were jammomatics....if Tisas makes a reliable Luger, I'm sure it would sell....
@@adrianotero7963Nope, post war Mausers, Lugerman, they all work really well. Ask me how I know. No one is gonna shell out two grand for a design that wasn't improved since 1908.
The model you shot here is maybe / likely not 3.81" barrel as some sites say, but 4.5". Even when you put it next to the 80x which is 3.9" barrel you can see the difference. I wonder if it is a typo on the Girsan site? I am bit confused about it too, so I am saying likely. My eyes say this is definitely a longer barrel. The 86 was a larger barrel. And seeing it next to other guns indicate it too. Yet some sites quote it as 3.81". Maybe there are two models?
I have cerebral palsy and currently own a 9mm. Now I am impressed with the MC14T.
Awesome! Hats off to Girsan for bringing this one back, and improving it!
Turkey is BLOWING the competition out of the water. It is impressive!
Lol and it’s manufactured guns are blowing up or breaking down literally from my experience.
@@DeOppressoLiber ya I don’t think so Liber
There are a couple of companies making affordable remakes, the originals are still better. Plenty of junk pistols coming out of there too. Then there is a half dozen companies rolling out absolute garbage shotguns, one maybe two making passable affordable shotguns and one shotgun company making actually good stuff. The only thing that appears to be exceptional is the Mete MC9, lets see if it stands the test of time.
As an older person who does have Arthritis in my shooting hand (Blast It), I think I found my new “Nightstand” Pistol. Put on a good Light, some quality JHP, the Wife and I should be good to go for an extra decade! Thanks Sootch!
Thanks Paul! It's definitely a good option for hand strength issues.
grab some extra mags...only comes with 1 mag
@@keithreh9338uses Beretta 84 or Beretta 80x mags. Fortunately this is living with both
Superb review. Strengths & weaknesses clearly explained. As usual!
@@sootch00 I am an officer so just use my duty weapon; however, I have neuropathy in my hands so this could be of use to me off duty
One thing people tend to not mention about tip up barrels is they not only make it easier to load a round in the chamber but they also make easier and safer to REMOVE a round from the chamber. Some pistols don't take well to having a live round racked out of the chamber.
Excellent point.
Great point, except the 14T has no ejector. Experience with a Betetta M21A and 3032 tells me this . Otherwise you made a valid point. I actually just bought a Girsan about 2 hours ago, we'll see how it does Saturday
Not to mention not needing to cock and load the firearm and then carefully de-cock if you want to run double action.
Also helps to remove human errors
I love tip up barrels. Drop one in the top, throw the safety on, drop it in the fanny pack. Ready to pull out safely, thumb that safety off and get to work.
I like the idea of tip-up barrels even if i dont struggle with pulling the slide
Who knows, maybe some kid who grows up with such unconventional styles turns around and becomes the next great firearm innovator! Cookie-cutter designs make it harder to think outside the box
Me too,
But I saw a clip, this type of barrel in mud and sand has more jam.
@@nightvan4427 How often does your everyday carry get mud and sand in it?
U can rack slide as well on this... you pick either or
@@JuggoJuggoman, lemme pull the sand an mud out of my c***. Oh and my glove box and night stand. 😂
Every time I found a Beretta Model 86, it was way out of my price range. I just found and bought a Girsan MC14T very affordably, thanks mostly to your reviews! Many thanks! An Extractor is incompatible with the tip-up feature on any of the tip-up barrel types, as it would be engaged when the bolt is in-battery, and you wouldn't be able to tip up the barrel without damaging it, or the cartridge rim.
Hi Scootch00, Great Review as always. I bought one of these cool little pistols a few weeks ago, because I'm also a lover of the Beretta flip up barrel pistols. Here are some things I discovered....
Yes you can use your Beretta 84 13-round magazines in this pistol. I used them and the pistol ran flawlessly.
I'm a gunsmith, and I was able to easily remove the front barrel pin and break down the firearm for cleaning and lubrication. It's not that hard, and I would recomend a few things... Have a quality set of firearm punches and pin starter punches. The big takeaway from tearing the pistol down is to put some masking tape or blue painters tape around the area where you will remove the pin. You don't want to rub the frame and get an idiot mark on it from the pin or the punch as your are driving it in or out.
Overall, I really like the pistol. Hope this helps a few people.
Is it also complaint with grip panels from an 84bb/86? Just curious if that was tried out too
I went straight out and bought one. I absolutely love it. 500 rounds without a problem. It's just like my old model 86, just better in my opinion!
I notice that the Firearms Industry is starting to make Weapons that us Older Folks can use to defend ourselves against Evil.
As a guy with arthritis I can appreciate that
.380 self defense ammo would be the best choice over FMJ BALL AMMO.
@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS Yea! .380 acp is only effective at muzzle with defensive ammo. After 2ft 3.7574727174 in it bounces off of targets. Best to go with 10 millie meetrAy because it kicks much less than .380 acp and shoots almost as flat.
@@erroneous6947me too
Most of us older folks aren't susceptible to the woke and anti-Constitution nonsense that's so prevalent in 2023. We're a reliable firearms market. Racking the slide is no issue for me, but the tip-up option is nice. I load my 3032 Tomcat that way every time.
Great review, Sootch. One thing I would stress with these Beretta-style tip-up barreled guns is that racking the slide will NOT clear a round from the chamber. I found this out with a tiny .25 I bought decades ago. Most of us old timers are programmed to clear an automatic by dropping the mag and racking the slide to eject the round in the barrel. It doesn't work here, and you could have a tragic accident if you don't tip the barrel up and check. That being said, I now want one! --Old Guy
My wife has a little .22 Beretta with that flip/tip up barrel/chamber and I REALLY LIKE IT.
It's probably one of the most unique features but really useful.
I like being able to check the chamber without racking the slide. It's super handy.
I have the .22 and the .32
Neat little pocket guns.
My MC14T had very bad feed issues and the company refused to fix it. I finally took it to a local gunsmith and he polished the lower feed ramp and it runs great now. Very disappointed in EAA standing behind their product.
Hey Sootch just wanted to thank you for stopping by the channel and dropping a like. I've always admired your work brother
What i will say is that is a tirelessly handsome pistol.
I love the fact that 380s getting some love! Love this and the new beretta!
380 is getting lots of attention here lately…
380 would get more love if the ammo was as inexpensive as 9mm.
@@olddirtbiker5088 agree… I turned down a smokin deal on a .380 Ez S&W for that very reason.
@@olddirtbiker5088supply and demand.
Thank you. I have their 1911. No problems, no failures. I've made it my house gun. God Bless and stay safe.
Both this & the 80X have caught my eye. I am an avid .380 shooter/collector. I have sought after an 86 for a long time with no joy! This Girsan, while its not a Beretta, will afford many of us the 86 experience without the expense!
I have wanted a BERETTA .380 since the 80's. Many at the indoor range at the time were experiencing slide bite. Love the 80X but the price.
@@BaddFrogg777 I hear you. The price can be a deterrent, but it will outlast you and you 1st born. Don't overlook the used market for 84's & 85's. You may not find a safe queen, but you find something that will suit your need without spending too much!
@@donnyarmstrong9559 Excellent. Thanks for the insight and information. Going to search for the used 84's & 85's.
The Republic.....
Perfect!
And thank you for such a thorough review. My better half is in a ....." compromised physical condition. " She bought a hellcat pro based on the sale at the time, but can not comfortably rack it in.
YEA ME!!!!!!!!!!
So, now we start the journey of her perfect home defense and carry weapon. This is an amazing, viable option.
Love in Christ, Coop.
I have a Tisas Fatih 380, which is a Turkish clone of the Beretta 84. I like that they are bringing back these old designs at affordable prices.
My Beretta 86 doesn't have an extractor; the Girsan tip up lever is an improvement over the original as well. The Beretta has more length of travel to tip the bbl and lock it back. I'm actually exited to pick this up. Love the Beretta design, there's not much out there as buttery smooth...
OK yea you need to have an external extractor for any weak loads, also the malfunctions most likely were caused by lower pressure ammo, in a straight blowback you want high power loads for consistent reliability!
With these all metal guns with decent length barrels ammunition makers should start doing dedicated lines for these 380 pistols as they can handle the pressure,
380 +p+ with about 300 to 350 fpe would really be nice
That would be great 👍
Tip up barrel in a larger frame makes a good idea for those of us with arthritis. I have a S&W M&P 2.0 9 EZ. It is my carry gun when my Arthritis kicks up. The grip and thumb safety make a lot of sense for me.
Cheers
Sizi Türkiye'den takip ediyor ve videolarınızı beğeniyorum. Size başarılar dilerim. Ayrıca Türk malı silahları incelemeniz çok harika. Tesekkürler.
Turkey is to guns as Asian countries are to manufacturing cars . Turkey makes great guns ,Asian countries make great cars .
This firearm should be getting more love! This may be the best .380 home defense/range pistol for people who want that. Longer barrel, double stack mag, and slightly heavier than most 380’s for quicker shots and less recoil.
Cool pistol,.. we have a turkish CZ clone and love shooting it! 😎
カッコいい!!アメリカに行きたい!!
Absolutely fantastic review!. Enjoying the recent releases of all metal compact handguns..
Girsan MC 14T is phenomenal pistol. I love it.
I had gotten my wife, who has cerebral palsy, a Smith & Wesson .380 EZ, and she wasn't able to really shoot it because she couldn't get the backstrap safety to press in all the way, and it was causing her to flinch really bad. We're trading it out for one of these because she can operate every feature of it except the slide, which she doesn't have to do to fire the gun. I might have to get one of these for myself as well.
I know Tisas is producing Beretta Cheetah clones under license from Beretta, but I wasn’t aware of these. I really like the Cheetah, and maybe this goes on my wish list.
Thanks for sharing!
I ordered the new ported version. It’s very nice looking with lots of gold accents and a wood grip and it’s ported. The one thing I’m concerned about is the inability to get in there and clean those rails and other areas out good after a while who knows if you’re gonna start having malfunctions because it gets so dirty. I can’t believe that they didn’t think about that, I would have to have to take it to a gunsmith and have that barrel removed and cleaned it real good that’s a pain in the butt
No mag safety. I like that.
Been waiting for this one.
Great vid as always! Very informative.
I am excited. My state’s Handgun Roster Board approved it on Wednesday. It will be published with the other handguns in 2 weeks and legal for sale on July 31.
Which state is that?
@@davidnicholas7516 Maryland
😅😅😅 Handgun Roster Board....how unconstitutional can you get? What a damn shame...
There's one of these available at my local Sportsman's and i was already interested, now im sold, going to be my first firearm
Milling the sight in the front of the barrel killed it for me I love night sights
With both Beretta and Girsan bringing these pistols back, it makes me wonder if Taurus will be bringing back the PT-58S.380.
I Hope not, or with another quality level. My Taurus PT58 HC had 2 too 5 malfunctions a magasine and rusted in less than 2 days of carry. Absolute garbage.👎🏻
Not exactly. Beretta is bringing back an updated 84, namely the 80x, but this Girsan is based on Beretta's 86, which has the tip up barrel. Beretta is not reintroducing the 86.
You can't have an extractor with the tip up barrel because the extractor must protrude into the breech slightly.
I really like that! Great guns!
That's really cool much like the berretta. I want one.
Nice firearm there sootch00 thanks for sharing
Terrific review! Enjoyable, informative and clear.
I love double single action guns. While this isn't a gun I would carry I can see it could be a gun many could carry.
I like the Turks bring back some of the older guns. I would love to see Turkey make the Ruger old P series pistols with quality sights. P89, P90, P45. Those were bulky, but at the time, pretty good guns. I got rid of my P45 but I still have a P89. I shoot it quite a bit. Fun and accurate.
Thats a nice gun mannnnnn wow Girsan you outdid yourself on this!!!!! i would hope you would change that trigger guard though a little to round for me
hrfunk reviewed this on his channel...his example had feeding issues with 2 different brands of 380 ball ammo; seems the one sootch got was much better...
Had a stroke. Can't rack slide. Have 32 Tomcat. Essential for one-handed use!
also, I'd do a fine crosshatch. along the slide for better grip if you prefer to do a traditional slide rack!
Thanks for your review. I just ordered one yesterday, due to the higher price of the 80x.
Thanks Don I like the Ruger security 380 cheaper and you can tear it down to clean
Smoke’n!! . . . YOU ~ ROCK ! !
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Thanks Brother!
Your killing me. Ive been looking for this gun
You'll have to try one of their 1911's
Lucked up on one of the surplus beretta 81s(under $200.didn’t pay for handpicked option & still one with a beautiful finish)from classic firearms.they were carried in a flap holster(whole gun was well protected through the years)think.?.Appears to be a carried a lot,shot very little.Grips looked new but sooo glad I tried the thin checkered grips from LOK (grip measurements in description on LOK website didn’t seem like a lot of difference,but in the hand..a lot thinner feel & just better all around.original grips in such good condition & LOKs cost %30> of the gun…but worth it. This gun looks pretty nice & love the 13+1 rds.Going to have to keep & eye out for one.agree that it would be better with extractor but not a deal breaker.hopefully it doesn’t have a goofball magazine disconnect.Could do without unnecessary directions to read a manual engraved on any gun!If gun manufacturers feel the need or must (for legal/import restrictions)put a warning of some sort on a gun.?.a sticker or printed (removable paint or something)would be appreciated.Bottom line,can deal with the gun as is.They have some pretty sweet high value 1911s I’m eyeballing already. The Turks are doing a good job & getting their part of the American gun market while the getting is good..Smart..Thx for showing us the gun Mr.S.Take care over there on the W side of the mighty PD..
B.Wills Moore Co.(grew up in Richmond Co.,but don’t tell anyone or hold it against me. I kid…still a lot of good ppl in Richmond county.)
Ever since I fell down a flight of stairs and broke my right arm in 3 places, I have to admit it hurts to fire my EDC Sig P365XL at the range. So, I take a couple aspirin and shoot 50 rounds instead of 100. There's always a work around
The Beretta 86 didn’t have an extractor either. The reason being is the tilt up barrel design. That’s also why the other Beretta tip ups don’t have one. But great video. I hope to add one of these to my collection of 80 series.
Yeah, I don't think it would be easy to have an extractor in the tip-up barrel models.
It's a safety issue, in that racking the slide doesn't guarantee an empty chamber. I'd hope the manual would emphasize this!
Tip up barrels usually do not have extractors........but the downside to this model is that the slide cannot be removed.....
Thank you. Excellent and informative video!
Thanks Phillip! I appreciate it Brother!
@sootch00 I appreciate..as do thousands of others , your honest and insightful evaluation of all these weapons..our collective hobby and passion!! Thank you !
I really enjoy the music you put in the beginning of all your videos. Not sure how/where you find them, but keep it up!
I am impressed with the Turkish craftsmanship! During the pandemic I purchased a couple of Turkish pellet Rifles! We set up a range in the back yard and we could shoot as much as we liked. The Turks are going to be a major manufacturing country if they can quit all the fighting over there! I’m glad the U.S. is out of there. All we ever did was poke the bear and cause trouble!
Wish it was optic ready
Girsan has a ported barrel version of this gun called the "Lady" for less muzzle rise and faster follow up shots. It has gold accents too for not too much more money. I'd like to see a review of that gun and how well the ported barrel reduces the recoil. Also in the video you said that the barrel was 3.81", but beretta says that the 86 is 4.375 and Girsan says 4.5". That is the longest barrel .380 that i've ever heard of, and .380 is one of my favorite calibers. I wonder how much extra velocity you get and more reliable expansion from hollow point ammo.
I love this gun.
Great video as always Sootch!! This Gun is on the cover of Guns and Ammo and the featured firearm! It seems like this gun is also a mix of the 92FS compact with the rail because I own one besides an M-9 , 92FS, 84FS and a Bobcat . I'm not a big fan of Turkish gun's especially 1911's when you can buy American for a few dollars more 🤣.. but this gun is cool and unique!!
One thing you didn't point out is Girsan ships the gun with an extended mag that has an external notch for a round on the side for a quick reload if needed.
I really wish someone would make a locked breech, easy rack .380 pistol that is full sized and red dot ready. Threaded barrel would be a plus too. I’ll guess I’ll keep dreaming…
Professional analysis is always important. This gun might have been the most accurate gun on the market. You would simply have to add a small soloist at the end of the barrel to the rear sight and place it on top of the aforementioned soloist, in such a way that the sights are fixed on the barrel. It would be necessary to put a polygonal barrel and a nail extractor is also essential. Without a doubt the remarkable design of the tilting gun could have easily been perfected and made perfect. It is understood that the wonderful Beretta gunsmiths were not supported enough by the Engineers, otherwise we would already have it available. The other modification must come to the 380 caliber that has to go to 9x18 of German origin and perfect the loads, to obtain an ideal projectile in terms of pressure, recoil and tuning in pocket weapons for the 21st century.-
I'd love to see a model 92/cheetah hybrid, now that would be cool!
Nice pistol. Already have the Regard, as well as the Tisas Fatih. Love me them Beretta clones! Also have Helwan and Taurus cousins!
Hey Sootch00 how do you lube this Girsan MC14T, It has to be lubed after cleaning do4esn't?
I just thought of how you make it in 9mm, a small roller delay lock system ala the H&K roller lock system, the Walther system used in the 92 won't work for a tipping barrel.
Absolutely fantastic review!
The Beretta tip up models don't have an extractor either because it would interfere with the tip up. Isn't a real issue for 380 unless you've put a lot of rounds through the gun without cleaning the barrel. I had a 21a and it would start having extraction issues after about 75 rounds because 22lr is dirty.
Handled one last week at a local shop. Really a neat pistol. Almost bought it, but didn’t know about available magazines
Oh boy this has really peaked my interest in getting a.380acp. Thank you sir for the video
First they came out with the p35, now this, Girsan changing the game again.
Do I need it... No.
Is it awesome, affordable, and enticing? Yes. I want one.
Very cool pistol.
kinda cool to see a big 380... you never see that
Hi Point carbine enters the chat .
@@louisbabycos106 I mean, hi point is trash and should never be mentioned for any reason. Was also referring to handguns, obviously.
PCCs are pointless in every context, not just hi point
Great Video Don & Sarah Mac! You should do a series of Father/Daughter videos. Just a Thought to consider for the future.
In any blowback .380 you have to hold tight onto the gun it is imperative that it have a solid backstop to push against. I have carried a Walther PPKs for many years. Whenever one of my friends limp wrist my gun it jams. It never does that to me. I just tell them to use their man hands and hold on. Any malfunctions that this gun is having can probably be attributed to the same thing.
An external extractor would not be of any use. The barrel is pinned to the front of the frame, so the barrel does not recoil any to impart rearward movement to the slide to enable a slide-mounted extractor to remove a casing from the barrel. All of the slide's rearward movement is derived from a casing moving backwards out of the barrel.
I'm having my right shoulder replaced soon. I have this gun on order.
Night sights would have been nice
I might prefer a more squared off trigger guard but that is my one caveat.
Enjoying the recent releases of all metal compact handguns.
Thanks sootch like always the best review on UA-cam I love the cheetah line but too expensive but this will be awesome 👏 can afford! Thumbs way up 👍
Love my girsan, definitely will pick this one up.
So beautiful 🤷🏻♂️ I got a 81 and I’m getting the 80x, sds faith, and this one too.
I thought that the tip up barrel was why you couldn’t have an extractor. Have to pick one or the other
Need to get one of these for my wife she has RA so racking most guns is hard on her hands
I think they have a winner here.
Cool looking pistol! Love the tip up barrel! Great review!
Thanks Kenneth!
Girsan has done their homework and knows what people are wanting......now if they only came out with a Luger.....that would be great.
There's a reason they don't. Multiple companies have tried, yet no one buys em.
@georgewhitworth9742 the companies that tried did not make a good product.....they were jammomatics....if Tisas makes a reliable Luger, I'm sure it would sell....
@@adrianotero7963Nope, post war Mausers, Lugerman, they all work really well. Ask me how I know.
No one is gonna shell out two grand for a design that wasn't improved since 1908.
@@georgewhitworth9742 people are shelling out 3 grand for German copies of the MP44 designed in 1943.....
The model you shot here is maybe / likely not 3.81" barrel as some sites say, but 4.5". Even when you put it next to the 80x which is 3.9" barrel you can see the difference. I wonder if it is a typo on the Girsan site? I am bit confused about it too, so I am saying likely. My eyes say this is definitely a longer barrel. The 86 was a larger barrel. And seeing it next to other guns indicate it too. Yet some sites quote it as 3.81". Maybe there are two models?
My state of Connecticut has a 10-round limit 😕.. does this gun come with 10 round magazines?
All good except not being able to clean the slide rails makes it a no go for me.
I sometimes walk around all day tip up. 😉
It's so sweet. I have to buy this beauty too. My friend.😍😍👌👌❤❤❤❤