That line sounds like a perfect emo pop punk lyric, like if my brain wasn’t functioning properly, I could have easily mistaken it for being lyrics from a Bayside album
The two takeaways from this: 1) baseball announcers literally have no object permanence. 2) umpires refuse to admit when they're wrong, because they're afraid the baseball players will launch a Spartacus-esque uprising.
The best advice I ever got in my career in television was “as long as you walk in like you’re supposed to be there, no one will ask what you’re doing.” I’ve entered so many events and buildings in this way. Never once questioned.
This was my mantra for attending sporting events. Use the security entrance and just walk to the nearest elevator or stairwell without acknowledging anyone.
I completely brainfarted once in middle school baseball and ran to 1st on a passed ball, except that pitch only made the count 3-2. Made it to 1st, sold it like a WWE champion, and the umpire called me safe and kept the game moving. Biggest finesse of my youth sports career.
@@DoubleKillFilms true, THAT sweatshirt needs to exist. But Bois is correct that in Hell, like in San Diego in late September, it's generally too hot to wear a sweatshirt. (full disclosure, for the hell part, I'm relying on heresy, not personal experience)
@@JMacSD it's getting rain out here in san diego.....because the announcer and also The broadcaster sports didn't notice that....probably #Dorktown #SBNation
As someone who has lived in San Diego County since 2010 you generally wear a sweatshirt at morning/night starting around September/October, and all day from about mid November-mid February.
I bet this video came out of the Mariners series. They saw the two Mariners incidents and wanted to include it, but figured a seperate, bigger video would be better
A few years ago, I scored a college game in which the umpire issued an apparent three-ball walk. Batter tosses the bat toward the dugout and trots down to first. There were runners on first and second, so both of them move up. But the pitching team's coaching staff questions the count, the umpires convene and they realize the error. Plate ump says, "My mistake, ball three, batter you're still up." Thus, the batter returned to the plate as instructed. But here's the goofy part: the two runners got to stay at second and third. And best yet, their advances officially counted as STOLEN BASES.
Not goofy at all, it's actually brilliant strategy! I'll bet they practiced the "pretend walk/double steal" play many times, totally catching the other team by surprise and capitalizing on everyone's confusion!
@@kdwaynec I'm sure I remember someone coming up in either SB or Foolish Baseball videos that would come out after a rain delay and just stand at the next base until someone called him on it.
Tbh this is the ultimate endpoint of the stolen base: we have runners stealing home, we have batters stealing 1st after striking out w/out the ball being caught. All we're missing is the batter just being able to take off in the middle of all at bat towards 1st, it'd never work obviously, but the "sac steal" could replace the sac bunt.
@@tinytrtle5681 I like it. Make it so that a batter can advance at their own risk during an at bat. Wild pitch goes to the backstop? Take off for first. Ricky Henderson's up to bat and the catcher lobs the ball back to the pitcher? Ricky's on first (for a maximum two pitches).
@@GregMcNeishyou technically can steal first on a wild pitch if it’s strike 3. As long as the catcher doesn’t catch the third strike you’re good to run
21:37 The game actually did have some implications, with regards to the 2012 MLB draft. If the Padres had lost that game, they would've picked at 5 instead of 7. Instead of being tied with the Royals and Cubs, they would have a worse record than both and pick in front of both of them. With the 7th pick, the Padres selected Max Fried, which they might not have if they were 2 spots higher. In that case, Fried might have been selected by a different team and never traded to the Braves, which means a crucial part of that World Series run would've never been on the team, and possibly the World Series would've been much different.
Funny enough that old man with his wife at the Marlins game (22:47) is a life long season ticket holder and has been to almost every game in idk how many years. I know this because I’ve been to many Marlins games and they always put him on the big screen. He’s also on every kiss cam they do. All of this to say that he might notice a wrong count lol. Thanks for another great video!
Me, watching this while eating: "Stupid umps. They count to 4 all the time and it's so easy. If something is easy and you do it all the time, how could you possibly make a mistake?" Also me: "Damn, I just bit the inside of my own cheek!"
That's the thing. If you do something _all the time,_ it's pretty much inevitable that you will screw it up eventually. The reason we all bite our cheeks, stub our toes, trip on shoelaces, etc. is because we do them all the time. If you've never texted the wrong person by mistake, that's probably because you text less often than people who have, not more. It can sometimes produce counterintuitive results. If you start a youth soccer program in a neighborhood focusing on sports safety, even if the program is effective, you will probably end up with more soccer injuries after the program than before, since more kids will end up playing soccer.
One trick is to have plate appearances that don't go anywhere. Like the time I walked on only 3 balls. I needed to get on base, so I decided to go to closest base, which is what they called first base in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to get a bat costs a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah. The important this was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big, yellow ones.
You're bang on with the "other sports get it wrong too..." thing. 1995-96 Australian cricket season, one day match, Queensland vs South Australia. Umpire Parker allows an over of 11 legal balls (a wicket on the 5th ball was followed by a drinks break, and he restarted from zero...) This is in a sport where 6 legal deliveries from one end constitute an over, and the bowling must then change to the other end. A miscount of 1 either way is not unusual; a miscount of 5 is, as far as I am aware, unique.
So I went and found the game here m.ua-cam.com/video/ECyU-nehgd4/v-deo.html the venable AB is at 1:26:30 about and as best I can tell they are doing it because they're excited for forsythe's future because he impressed them at the end of the season. The other announcer is already talking about the sand sculpture by the time he draws the heart, and the only thing he says about it is "I haven't seen this many hearts since February 14th"
@@sethh5106 The funniest part of this is that Logan Forsythe got traded to Tampa about a year and half later and he never played another game for the Padres after 2013. They fell out of love so fast xD
As a Padres fan, this question wouldn't occur to me. Mark (Mud) Grant, the color guy on Padres TV broadcasts since the '90s, does goofy crap like this all the time. A meaningless game at end of a long, bad Padres season? I would doubt Mud said more than 20 words about what was happening on the field in the 3ish hours.
@@JMacSD Early-80s, late September, middle of the week, very heavy rain, bad traffic, home team is 30+ games out of it, so are the opponents, and I was at what must have been a record-small crowd at a Mariners game. The Kingdome was warm and dry, but why would anyone bother going to the game? They could have had all sorts of bad calls, incorrect calls, announcers talking about Grandma and her rye bread...wouldn't have mattered one bit. But Jon Bois would have looked at the box score. Love it.
A 3-BALL WALK JUST HAPPENED AT TONIGHT'S MARINERS-ANGELS GAME the mariners finally caught a break even though the announcers noticed it edit: batter was carlos santana and he ended up scoring to put the Ms up 4-2 in the top of the 9th another edit: took advantage of the extra out to make it 5-2 on a groundout with 1 away
I'm glad that this channel has helped the world know what I have known for 24 years as a lifelong Mariners Fan. We're a meme. We're the universe's dumping ground for chaos and confusion.
I never realize how much I miss this series until I see a new episode posted. And now I'm fully invested in seeing Jon and Alex pointing out other people's mistakes.
ditto. that also goes for the former series back then, wonder how much they left in the table that could be reused to content. never heard from them back to why they criated that much only to forget it.
I present this video as evidence: you can make content on any topic and as long as it is presented well enough people will watch/listen. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if SB pulled a fast one on us to show how easy it is to get away with an undeserved WALK on three balls
The other day I watched a two and a half hour analysis video about the Vampire Diaries, a show I've never seen and almost forgot existed. I was honestly invested by the end.
May I take a moment to say how much I love the work that goes into this and all Dorktown videos . I have literally zero interest in baseball, yet I have watched them all many times.
So what I'm getting from this video is that lots of guys get bored and mess up sometimes, but also that Chris Stewart, specifically, probably just can't count.
Why not? They started the no pitch walk a few years ago, along with the tenth inning automatic second base runner.. Maybe give each club one free "wild card strikeout" per game.
"Just act like you're supposed to be there. It works. I would know." Jon. Dude. You're one of the greatest storytellers working today. Don't sell yourself short.
Ancient Vin Scully didn't miss a trick a few years ago in an Astros-Dodgers game. The batter worked the count to 4-2 but stayed in the box to hit. "Here comes the 4-2 pitch", cracked Scully, and it was fouled off. Another three pitches were fouled off until the batter popped out. This was sometime during the 100-loss years for Houston (2011-2013) and tells you why they lost over 100 games.
"Just act like you're supposed to be there. Act like you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. It works. I would know." Cool to know Jon Bois steals hotel breakfasts just like me!
I could listen to these two talk about anything for hours... how you managed to keep my undivided attention about counting to 4 for nearly a half-hour... you have a gift.
On the Yunel Escobar fiasco, I might be able to shed some light on the review. There is a list of things that can be reviewed, but I'm fairly certain the count is not one of them. When they're on the headset, I'd bet they were checking the rules for what their possible options (including whether or not they can actually watch the at bat and count the pitches) were. They almost certainly knew they were probably wrong, but were not sure what the correct count was, so they had to keep it. That's why I'm super glad they're going to be putting mics on umpires and have them explaining calls. That way, they could come out and tell us that, by rule, there's nothing they can do. At least we know.
As a kid, one time the batter after me had a one pitch walk. The last ball to me was a wildpitch with a play at the plate and some commotion ensued. The ump forgot to update his clicker in all that so when the first pitch to the next batter was a ball, the umpire's clicker said ball four and he sent the runner on his way. I know some people noticed but my team werent saying anything and the other team was too confused and didnt say anything until it was to late.
I'll say it again. Jon Bois, when looking at topics for SB video: "Is there a way I can work in Missouri, Kansas City, the Royals, or the Chiefs into this topic?" "No." "Don't do that topic" OR "Yes." "DO ITTTTTTT!" Missouri happened at 0:04 of this one. Outstanding work, Jon.
Imaging watching every game that you choose to watch with a lazer focus, now imaging seeing something like this... you might be the only one who noticed, and yeah you could tweat about or make a rant about it on youtube. But do you really want to? Wouldnt you prefer to save the memory and keep it secret? Maybe dm the guy who did the thing and say "hey i know". That moment in baseball is now yours and yours alone as a fan. And I fucking love that.
@Ryan Soltner What impact did that have on baseball history... Well that was a 1-0 game and had the Padres never scored the Mariners could’ve won it in extras and the Padres finish the year with 70 wins instead of 71 wins. That would’ve gave the Padres the 5th pick in the 2012 draft instead of the 7th pick and they probably take Kyle Zimmer and Max Fried (now an All Star pitcher) probably gets selected by the Royals
So, I want to mention cricket for a minute.. Bear with me. In cricket we have a division of time called an "over". An over is 6 legal balls (pitches). Overs (along with clocks) are then used to measure time in the game. eg. length of a game, innings, or time played between breaks, etc. There are 2 umpires on the field in cricket and both are counting. To aide this they use a simple counter. The typical design is an oval shaped piece of plastic that has 4 wheels that display 3 different things. At the top is a wheel with the numbers 0-6 on it for counting balls (pitches) in an over. There is a wheel on each side numbered 0-9 for counting total number of overs. Lastly there's a wheel at the bottom numbers 0-9 for counting the outs (there's 10 outs in an innings of cricket). These wheels require deliberate effort to move, make an audible click, and lock into place, requiring another deliberate effort to move again. Standard practice is that after 4 balls (pitches), the umpires look to each other and show 2 fingers to indicate 2 balls (pitches) remaining and confirm they're both at the same number. With all of this, we still get it wrong all the time. Apparently counting is hard.
First of all, Mr. Bois and Mr. Rubenstein, thank you for these absolutely legendary productions. You make the Internet a better place. Second, my biggest question after watching this... is how on earth do you do this research?
That’s because the chyron software, in this case, it’s a separate proprietary graphics machine used by fox called “foxbox” that has logic built in based on the sport, so if the controller records a 4th ball it automatically puts the guy on base and resets the count. In the past 4 years, they’ve added an undo button which is helpful in these type of situations especially when now the graphic shows who is at bat.
This reminds me of that Rangers/Padres game on June 18, 2012 where the Rangers' announcer proclaimed the go ahead run was at fifth on a botched robbery. Dude wasn't having a stroke, he was just following the scoreboard.
I dont know if this was intentional, but I love that the information from the other Dorktown episodes is kept there with all the new information, like each episode adds more little "houses" or "buildings" which is what the information boxes are, truly creating a "Dorktown". If so, super neat concept!
I think one of the big reasons most have happened in the past Decade is that now most people have the ability to pause and rewind live TV. It used to be that if you thought they got something wrong you just had to accept that you're wrong but now you can rewind and check for yourself
17:33 something even crazier happened in 1972 in California Angels versus Detroit tigers. At the end of the game, with one out left to go in a no-hitter by Nolan ryan. Norm cash, a former batting champion, was the last man up. He took a leg off of a clubhouse table and used it as a bat in the final play appearance he had that night. He essentially gave up the at bat as a strikeout before he even took it, because Nolan Ryan stuff that night was so damn good.
Finally found it: Bernard Parmegiani - L’espace-temps or Kaleidoscope II I think Kaleidoscope is used and its a music concrete “sampling” of the original L’espace
21:00 that is a really distinct saw pattern on those times. I was initially very confused about that pattern, but after thinking about it for a minute, it's probably every day of the season where each day's games are sorted from shortest to longest. Would have been cool if you would've colored each day's games (or shaded the graph for each day or something) to make that a little more clear. Your charts are dope, tho. You make some of the prettiest data videos on youtube. Maybe THE prettiest.
I think it's just a reference to how his career developed. Jon was an early college dropout and is now a creative director at a huge sports blog - he likely had to fake it till he made it at least a couple times. And, as evidenced by his use of Google Earth as video editing software (???), he's definitely used to doing things his own way until they stick.
I watched the Christ Stewart 2 pitch strikeout live. I don’t believe it was on the same channel as the video you showed because I remember specifically that the announcer mentioned it. I remember him saying that the ump should’ve called him back.
I like to imagine that at some point in history this happened and the batter looked back to the ump to tell him he’s got it wrong, only for the catcher to say “nah he’s full of it” and the ump siding with the catcher.
One instance I didn’t see here, but remember watching it live was in 1988 or 1989 (I’m pretty sure it was 1988) in Chicago, with the Cubs hosting the Pirates in a Saturday afternoon nationally broadcast game (I believe it was ABC). This was an important game, because both the Cubs (then managed by Don Zimmer) and the Pirates (then managed by Jim Leyland) were in the old NL East, and were contending for the Division Championship. Eric Gregg was the plate umpire, and John Kibler was the crew chief. I can’t remember the names of the other umpires, but all four lost track of the count, and of course there was no recourse to replay. I’m not certain even the broadcast was able to replay the at-bat. But both managers and teams knew something was wrong, as the crew gathered to try to figure out the count. They eventually ruled in the Cubs favor, because I DO remember Jim Leyland doing a twenty minute tirade, and none of the umpires tossed him. They knew they screwed up, one way or the other, and none of them had a ball/strike indicator (I looked closely at the longest mistake here, with the replay, and the plate umpire did have one in his left hand). I don’t remember if they checked with the official scorer, who would be in the press box, but if they did, the broadcasters didn’t mention it. What makes it stand out was that unlike most of the incidents you showed, the managers were paying attention, and there were long conversations with both team managers, and while neither were pleased, Leyland was justifiably furious. I wasn’t recording the game, so I have no tape, but as this was an important game, and was nationally broadcast, it’s likely that someone (especially in Chicago or Pittsburgh) has a copy. (I’m in Massachusetts, so I’m not a fan of either team). Anyway, it’s an incident which might stir your interest, and I wish I had more information and a better memory. I did do some umpiring myself many years ago, and I did have this happen once. It was during an American Legion game (16-18 year olds). I had an indicator, and what happened was a slow rolling ground ball that went up the third base line, almost to the bag, before it rolled foul. As there were only two umpires, as plate umpire, I had to make that call, and after, couldn’t remember whether I had clicked the indicator or not. I signaled to my partner, basically asking for the count. I was told there were two strikes. This was not correct, but neither players nor coaches said anything. So it wound up being a two strike strikeout. After that inning, my partner informed me what the count really had been. Needless to say, I wasn’t thrilled, but he stated that he would have given the correct count had the coach caught my error and complained. I’ve felt a little bad about it, as I believe it’s our job to get the calls right. Honest mistakes do happen, but I wouldn’t do that to a partner or a team. That doesn’t mean that I never made mistakes. We’re human, and that’s going to happen. But that was the only time I ever got the count wrong, though I wish my partner had corrected me. In that long incident in the video (with the crew checking with replay) my guess is that the omission happened on that fourth pitch, with the ball headed right for the umpire’s face, before the catcher knocked the ball away, inadvertently blocking the umpire’s view (which led to the incorrect foul ball call). He likely forgot to turn his ball/strike indicator, and that was how that started. But the other umpires should be using an indicator themselves, as a backup. That is how we were trained, and we RARELY had four crew members. It was usually two, and sometimes only one. Anyway, very interesting video. You would think that the coaching staffs would be on top of this, especially in an era where they keep such close watch on the pitch count of every pitcher. But the other umpires really should be backing up the plate umpire (the busiest position) on the count. With four crew members, there’s just no excuse, regardless of how unimportant a game may be. Of course, at the major league level, some initiative is required of the players. If a batter walks away from home, he’s abandoning his at-bat. It’s similar to the appeal (if a runner misses a base, or leaves too soon on a fly ball) the umpires, by rule, cannot call a player out unless the defensive team properly appeals the play (usually by having the ball and standing on the proper base). That onus is on the defensive players, and if they fail to appeal immediately and properly, the play stands. It works that way with batting out of order, also. The rules are different for high school level baseball.
Given that ending line, I like to imagine Jon rocked up at SB in a suit and just sat down at a desk next to Alex and said "so how you going with that multi part video about the history of professional fighting?" and everyone was too confused and intimidated by Jon's terrifying presence that they went with it
Yeah, uhh... ...I'm going to need a "You're in San Diego and I'm in Hell" sweatshirt in the Secret Base merch shop immediately.
Yes
That line sounds like a perfect emo pop punk lyric, like if my brain wasn’t functioning properly, I could have easily mistaken it for being lyrics from a Bayside album
Came here to say this
I read this abomination in the annoying up-speak infliction that basic white girls use
Arent those the same places though?
The two takeaways from this:
1) baseball announcers literally have no object permanence.
2) umpires refuse to admit when they're wrong, because they're afraid the baseball players will launch a Spartacus-esque uprising.
As a commentator, it's better to play along than get mad/draw attention to something you're not even sure of
This can be baseball’s version of scorigami. Imagine an account tweeting once a year saying “3 BALL WALK 🚨”
Twitter fame can be yours
Scorigami is art. Getting the count wrong is just hilarious. Or frustrating, depending on your favorite team
Dear god! If you have the twitter API and some MLB stats API which i dont know but MUST exist you might be able to do it all automatic !
@@LeonelEBD that’s why I suggested it instead of actually trying to do it, there’s no way I’m smart enough to do that myself so hopefully someone can.
rack him!
I love the Mariners Special cameo. The Dorktown Extended Universe is really stretching it's legs.
I’d like to buy a bedspread that’s just the entire graphic of the DORKTOWN nebula
The Mariners cameo made me very happy
We live in that universe
The Pretty Good Dorktown Extended Universe
Go Mariners
The best advice I ever got in my career in television was “as long as you walk in like you’re supposed to be there, no one will ask what you’re doing.” I’ve entered so many events and buildings in this way. Never once questioned.
it's pretty much the thesis statement of the entire Hitman franchise
@@IncoherentMoron Helps if you steal somebody's clothes first.
You can get in anywhere with a ladder and some confidence. Everyone just assumes you're supposed to be there
This was my mantra for attending sporting events. Use the security entrance and just walk to the nearest elevator or stairwell without acknowledging anyone.
Classic example of "Social Engineering".
I completely brainfarted once in middle school baseball and ran to 1st on a passed ball, except that pitch only made the count 3-2. Made it to 1st, sold it like a WWE champion, and the umpire called me safe and kept the game moving. Biggest finesse of my youth sports career.
Stole first base
@@Thomaas551Tim Locastro is jealous
Fake it til you make it.
“...We don’t need a sweatshirt! You’re in San Diego, and I’m in hell.”
Top quality Jon quote there.
that's the thing! we DO need a sweatshirt! and it needs to say "You're in San Diego and I'm in Hell!"
@@DoubleKillFilms true, THAT sweatshirt needs to exist. But Bois is correct that in Hell, like in San Diego in late September, it's generally too hot to wear a sweatshirt.
(full disclosure, for the hell part, I'm relying on heresy, not personal experience)
@@DoubleKillFilms it is,jon says it's san diego and living in hell sweatshirt was always forgotten moments ever,In My Opinion.
@@JMacSD it's getting rain out here in san diego.....because the announcer and also The broadcaster sports didn't notice that....probably #Dorktown #SBNation
As someone who has lived in San Diego County since 2010 you generally wear a sweatshirt at morning/night starting around September/October, and all day from about mid November-mid February.
"You're in San Diego and I'm in hell" sounds like a quote from the Charger's front office to its 8 remaining fans.
Saying the Chargers have 8 fans is a very generous number 😂
@@JWex-jy7sk True. Half the fan base did disappear when River's kids became Colts fans.
I'm offended. I know for a fact there's at least 10 of us.
@@bobbyshizz2138 Typical Charger's fan, loses count after running out of fingers. :p
I'm one of the 8. I'm stuck in this fanship with no way out.
Jon Bois having a mini-meltdown is epic.
He's had some great ones.
“YOU’RE IN SAN DIEGO AND I’M IN HELL”
(Heavy sigh...)
@@jasonremy1627 I think, if you had to create a top 5 list of the best Bois meltdowns, at least three would be from Dumbest Boy Alive
@@EMETRL that one, or the Olympic marathon one...
"ohh look this fastball is 77 mph, that's gotta be a record, anyway like i was saying it's 3-2"
A 77 MPH Fastball.. and it wasn't Jered Weaver
Dude zito used to throw like a 70 mph fastball, never understood why no one ever just waited on it and crushed it lol
Stephen Strasburg pitched an immaculate inning that only the radio booth realized was an immaculate inning
I need to see this
in 2020 the announcers didnt know plesac threw one as well
I was at that game. I didn’t realize it either.
we now know that you can’t make a Dorktown video without making a short amendment to the Mariners video
I bet this video came out of the Mariners series. They saw the two Mariners incidents and wanted to include it, but figured a seperate, bigger video would be better
Appendix 1 looking ass
A few years ago, I scored a college game in which the umpire issued an apparent three-ball walk. Batter tosses the bat toward the dugout and trots down to first. There were runners on first and second, so both of them move up. But the pitching team's coaching staff questions the count, the umpires convene and they realize the error. Plate ump says, "My mistake, ball three, batter you're still up."
Thus, the batter returned to the plate as instructed. But here's the goofy part: the two runners got to stay at second and third. And best yet, their advances officially counted as STOLEN BASES.
Not goofy at all, it's actually brilliant strategy! I'll bet they practiced the "pretend walk/double steal" play many times, totally catching the other team by surprise and capitalizing on everyone's confusion!
@@kdwaynec I'm sure I remember someone coming up in either SB or Foolish Baseball videos that would come out after a rain delay and just stand at the next base until someone called him on it.
Tbh this is the ultimate endpoint of the stolen base: we have runners stealing home, we have batters stealing 1st after striking out w/out the ball being caught.
All we're missing is the batter just being able to take off in the middle of all at bat towards 1st, it'd never work obviously, but the "sac steal" could replace the sac bunt.
@@tinytrtle5681 I like it. Make it so that a batter can advance at their own risk during an at bat. Wild pitch goes to the backstop? Take off for first. Ricky Henderson's up to bat and the catcher lobs the ball back to the pitcher? Ricky's on first (for a maximum two pitches).
@@GregMcNeishyou technically can steal first on a wild pitch if it’s strike 3. As long as the catcher doesn’t catch the third strike you’re good to run
21:37 The game actually did have some implications, with regards to the 2012 MLB draft. If the Padres had lost that game, they would've picked at 5 instead of 7. Instead of being tied with the Royals and Cubs, they would have a worse record than both and pick in front of both of them. With the 7th pick, the Padres selected Max Fried, which they might not have if they were 2 spots higher. In that case, Fried might have been selected by a different team and never traded to the Braves, which means a crucial part of that World Series run would've never been on the team, and possibly the World Series would've been much different.
"There's the Ump, doing his very best Richard Nixon impression" got me so bad 😂😂😂
I’m convinced this is the greatest series on UA-cam
It's pretty good
I second both of y'all
@@mephenstessina6081 both dorktown episode like God-Awful NFL reccords and Three strike and four ball stories is better to remember this
@@TheRepublicOfJohn it is
@@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 anything Jon Bois is associated with is worth remembering
Subtitled: "You will never forget the word for 'chyron' ever again."
I never even knew it was called that. I just thought it was a scoreboard
I always thought a chyron was just the text on the bottom of a news screen
We call it the "score bug" sometimes. Fully operated by a guy in the production vehicle.
@@bmac4 I thought it was a centaur.
It’s the Aglet thing all over again
Funny enough that old man with his wife at the Marlins game (22:47) is a life long season ticket holder and has been to almost every game in idk how many years. I know this because I’ve been to many Marlins games and they always put him on the big screen. He’s also on every kiss cam they do. All of this to say that he might notice a wrong count lol. Thanks for another great video!
Me, watching this while eating: "Stupid umps. They count to 4 all the time and it's so easy. If something is easy and you do it all the time, how could you possibly make a mistake?"
Also me: "Damn, I just bit the inside of my own cheek!"
That's the thing. If you do something _all the time,_ it's pretty much inevitable that you will screw it up eventually. The reason we all bite our cheeks, stub our toes, trip on shoelaces, etc. is because we do them all the time. If you've never texted the wrong person by mistake, that's probably because you text less often than people who have, not more. It can sometimes produce counterintuitive results. If you start a youth soccer program in a neighborhood focusing on sports safety, even if the program is effective, you will probably end up with more soccer injuries after the program than before, since more kids will end up playing soccer.
Yikes, more rationalizing of umpire ridiculousness
One trick is to have plate appearances that don't go anywhere. Like the time I walked on only 3 balls. I needed to get on base, so I decided to go to closest base, which is what they called first base in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to get a bat costs a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah. The important this was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big, yellow ones.
And... you win the internet today
This is it. This is why I love baseball. By sheer volume of plate appearances, the improbable becomes inevitable.
You can’t fool me. This is just the second epilogue of your Mariners doc
Because of dorktown I now want a child called bob that plays for the Mariners and I’m gonna bet him 50 bucks that he can do this in a game.
Just make sure he doesn't eat rat poison.
Or getting trapped in porta potty a whole night
make sure to send him to DeVry
Buy him a really nice lawn chair.
@@whups1744 And a bunch of balloons.
You're bang on with the "other sports get it wrong too..." thing. 1995-96 Australian cricket season, one day match, Queensland vs South Australia. Umpire Parker allows an over of 11 legal balls (a wicket on the 5th ball was followed by a drinks break, and he restarted from zero...) This is in a sport where 6 legal deliveries from one end constitute an over, and the bowling must then change to the other end. A miscount of 1 either way is not unusual; a miscount of 5 is, as far as I am aware, unique.
It’s always a good day when they upload before Sunday
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isnt every upload before sunday
@@osamauremama they usually upload on Sunday and sometimes give us an upload during the rest of the week
Why were they even drawing a heart on Logan Foursythe in the first place
So I went and found the game here m.ua-cam.com/video/ECyU-nehgd4/v-deo.html the venable AB is at 1:26:30 about and as best I can tell they are doing it because they're excited for forsythe's future because he impressed them at the end of the season. The other announcer is already talking about the sand sculpture by the time he draws the heart, and the only thing he says about it is "I haven't seen this many hearts since February 14th"
@@sethh5106 The funniest part of this is that Logan Forsythe got traded to Tampa about a year and half later and he never played another game for the Padres after 2013. They fell out of love so fast xD
As a Padres fan, this question wouldn't occur to me. Mark (Mud) Grant, the color guy on Padres TV broadcasts since the '90s, does goofy crap like this all the time.
A meaningless game at end of a long, bad Padres season? I would doubt Mud said more than 20 words about what was happening on the field in the 3ish hours.
logan we-can't-count-to-foursythe
@@JMacSD Early-80s, late September, middle of the week, very heavy rain, bad traffic, home team is 30+ games out of it, so are the opponents, and I was at what must have been a record-small crowd at a Mariners game. The Kingdome was warm and dry, but why would anyone bother going to the game? They could have had all sorts of bad calls, incorrect calls, announcers talking about Grandma and her rye bread...wouldn't have mattered one bit. But Jon Bois would have looked at the box score. Love it.
A 3-BALL WALK JUST HAPPENED AT TONIGHT'S MARINERS-ANGELS GAME
the mariners finally caught a break even though the announcers noticed it
edit: batter was carlos santana and he ended up scoring to put the Ms up 4-2 in the top of the 9th
another edit: took advantage of the extra out to make it 5-2 on a groundout with 1 away
Dylan Moore pinch ran for Carlos Santanna, who used Jedi mind tricks on the ump to turn a 2-2 count into a 3-1 count
CHAOS BALL
Secret Base: **Uploads a new baseball video**
Seattle Mariners: "Ah shit, here we go again."
I'm glad that this channel has helped the world know what I have known for 24 years as a lifelong Mariners Fan.
We're a meme. We're the universe's dumping ground for chaos and confusion.
I love how every time Jon says “Long-time viewers may remember...” I know exactly what he’s talking about.
"You're in San Diego and I'm in Hell" is a fantastic quote
Jon Bois the man that can turn boring into electric with a touch of jazz
I never realize how much I miss this series until I see a new episode posted.
And now I'm fully invested in seeing Jon and Alex pointing out other people's mistakes.
ditto. that also goes for the former series back then, wonder how much they left in the table that could be reused to content. never heard from them back to why they criated that much only to forget it.
I present this video as evidence: you can make content on any topic and as long as it is presented well enough people will watch/listen. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if SB pulled a fast one on us to show how easy it is to get away with an undeserved WALK on three balls
I'd say it was when they made a 40-minute compelling video about punting.
The other day I watched a two and a half hour analysis video about the Vampire Diaries, a show I've never seen and almost forgot existed. I was honestly invested by the end.
@@incognitoburrito6020 okay i know you left this comment a year ago but i’m so curious: was it jenny nicholson’s video?
9:19 Loving the "Mariners' estimated win probability" chart that just there and is never acknowledged.
That's the key to so many things, isn't it? Just act like you're supposed to do there and act like you're doing what you're supposed to be doing.
Hahaha, glad I’m not the only one who noticed. It was like an itch that you can’t quite scratch in the middle of your back, lol.
I mean, of COURSE it's the Mariners who gets hit with two 3-ball walks in a week.
Why am I even surprised?
May I take a moment to say how much I love the work that goes into this and all Dorktown videos . I have literally zero interest in baseball, yet I have watched them all many times.
So what I'm getting from this video is that lots of guys get bored and mess up sometimes, but also that Chris Stewart, specifically, probably just can't count.
OOH! A Jon Bois Saturday special is on the menu boys
I'm just here for the day we get the holy grail: The One Pitch Strikeout
The Two-Pitch Walk
That will never happen, unless we have a drunk ump
@@bezllama3325 This will inevitably happen as long as baseball keeps being played at the sheer volume which it's being played
Why not? They started the no pitch walk a few years ago, along with the tenth inning automatic second base runner.. Maybe give each club one free "wild card strikeout" per game.
Carlos Santana just got a 3-ball walk against Aaron Loup in the top of the 9th inning, Mariners at Angels, August 15th 2022
(chyron and scoreboard(?) both said 2-2 but ump ruled pitch 2 as a ball)
@@richardzhang7474 Even better, the umpire called 2-2 but forgot the count and Santana convinced him it was actually 3-1
"Just act like you're supposed to be there. It works. I would know."
Jon. Dude. You're one of the greatest storytellers working today. Don't sell yourself short.
Even the guy runnin the scoreboard says he was out, and he’s way up in the mezzanine!!!
“I must kill...the queen.”
@@MarcoCaifan87 Armando Crishone ...... Crishone
Hey! It's Enrico Pallazzo!
Ancient Vin Scully didn't miss a trick a few years ago in an Astros-Dodgers game. The batter worked the count to 4-2 but stayed in the box to hit. "Here comes the 4-2 pitch", cracked Scully, and it was fouled off. Another three pitches were fouled off until the batter popped out. This was sometime during the 100-loss years for Houston (2011-2013) and tells you why they lost over 100 games.
I will always appreciate Jon Bois for bringing the Mariners into the light.
Yordan Alvarez has just achieved a four-strike strikeout
"Just act like you're supposed to be there. Act like you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. It works. I would know."
Cool to know Jon Bois steals hotel breakfasts just like me!
I could listen to these two talk about anything for hours... how you managed to keep my undivided attention about counting to 4 for nearly a half-hour... you have a gift.
I nearly cried when the Mariners chart showed up.
Look Jon, it's summer in San Diego, everyone is just killing time between the zoo and In-N-Out.
On the Yunel Escobar fiasco, I might be able to shed some light on the review. There is a list of things that can be reviewed, but I'm fairly certain the count is not one of them. When they're on the headset, I'd bet they were checking the rules for what their possible options (including whether or not they can actually watch the at bat and count the pitches) were. They almost certainly knew they were probably wrong, but were not sure what the correct count was, so they had to keep it. That's why I'm super glad they're going to be putting mics on umpires and have them explaining calls. That way, they could come out and tell us that, by rule, there's nothing they can do. At least we know.
As a kid, one time the batter after me had a one pitch walk. The last ball to me was a wildpitch with a play at the plate and some commotion ensued.
The ump forgot to update his clicker in all that so when the first pitch to the next batter was a ball, the umpire's clicker said ball four and he sent the runner on his way. I know some people noticed but my team werent saying anything and the other team was too confused and didnt say anything until it was to late.
I'll say it again. Jon Bois, when looking at topics for SB video:
"Is there a way I can work in Missouri, Kansas City, the Royals, or the Chiefs into this topic?"
"No."
"Don't do that topic"
OR
"Yes."
"DO ITTTTTTT!"
Missouri happened at 0:04 of this one. Outstanding work, Jon.
Imaging watching every game that you choose to watch with a lazer focus, now imaging seeing something like this... you might be the only one who noticed, and yeah you could tweat about or make a rant about it on youtube.
But do you really want to?
Wouldnt you prefer to save the memory and keep it secret? Maybe dm the guy who did the thing and say "hey i know". That moment in baseball is now yours and yours alone as a fan.
And I fucking love that.
Great video yet again! Though I'm curious why there's an overpowering beeping sound when the Mariners hit the screen at 8:16
The Cameron maybin one is the one I always remembered. I’m not even a Mariners fan and that one made me so mad
@Ryan Soltner What impact did that have on baseball history...
Well that was a 1-0 game and had the Padres never scored the Mariners could’ve won it in extras and the Padres finish the year with 70 wins instead of 71 wins.
That would’ve gave the Padres the 5th pick in the 2012 draft instead of the 7th pick and they probably take Kyle Zimmer and Max Fried (now an All Star pitcher) probably gets selected by the Royals
4:40 Further evidence that nobody actually watches baseball. They just enjoy a day at the park while baseball happens in the background.
So, I want to mention cricket for a minute.. Bear with me.
In cricket we have a division of time called an "over". An over is 6 legal balls (pitches). Overs (along with clocks) are then used to measure time in the game. eg. length of a game, innings, or time played between breaks, etc.
There are 2 umpires on the field in cricket and both are counting. To aide this they use a simple counter. The typical design is an oval shaped piece of plastic that has 4 wheels that display 3 different things. At the top is a wheel with the numbers 0-6 on it for counting balls (pitches) in an over. There is a wheel on each side numbered 0-9 for counting total number of overs. Lastly there's a wheel at the bottom numbers 0-9 for counting the outs (there's 10 outs in an innings of cricket). These wheels require deliberate effort to move, make an audible click, and lock into place, requiring another deliberate effort to move again.
Standard practice is that after 4 balls (pitches), the umpires look to each other and show 2 fingers to indicate 2 balls (pitches) remaining and confirm they're both at the same number.
With all of this, we still get it wrong all the time.
Apparently counting is hard.
First of all, Mr. Bois and Mr. Rubenstein, thank you for these absolutely legendary productions. You make the Internet a better place.
Second, my biggest question after watching this... is how on earth do you do this research?
I work on college sports broadcasts and "put up the pitch speed to hide that we're skipping 2" moments happen in every single game
the music for this series is like home for me.
Thank you so much for keeping this going. It's amazing and I love you.
The Chiron on the Padres/Giants actually reset because it’s controller was so confused. The batter flew out with Chiron stating 0-1
That’s because the chyron software, in this case, it’s a separate proprietary graphics machine used by fox called “foxbox” that has logic built in based on the sport, so if the controller records a 4th ball it automatically puts the guy on base and resets the count.
In the past 4 years, they’ve added an undo button which is helpful in these type of situations especially when now the graphic shows who is at bat.
I love that Dorktown just goes back to the Mariners all the time. Appreciate it guys
very glad this is still a series
Thanks!
yoooo thanks friend! that really means a lot
This reminds me of that Rangers/Padres game on June 18, 2012 where the Rangers' announcer proclaimed the go ahead run was at fifth on a botched robbery. Dude wasn't having a stroke, he was just following the scoreboard.
I dont know if this was intentional, but I love that the information from the other Dorktown episodes is kept there with all the new information, like each episode adds more little "houses" or "buildings" which is what the information boxes are, truly creating a "Dorktown". If so, super neat concept!
Anyone else come back to this video after Yordan Alvarez got away with a 4-strike groundout against the Red Sox?
Also the music is always spectacular in these videos. I'm eternally grateful you put a list of tracks at the end
I think one of the big reasons most have happened in the past Decade is that now most people have the ability to pause and rewind live TV. It used to be that if you thought they got something wrong you just had to accept that you're wrong but now you can rewind and check for yourself
17:33 something even crazier happened in 1972 in California Angels versus Detroit tigers.
At the end of the game, with one out left to go in a no-hitter by Nolan ryan. Norm cash, a former batting champion, was the last man up. He took a leg off of a clubhouse table and used it as a bat in the final play appearance he had that night. He essentially gave up the at bat as a strikeout before he even took it, because Nolan Ryan stuff that night was so damn good.
We now have a 3 strike non-strikeout to add to the list!
That's the second in recorded history after the one at 12:11!
Rewatching in 2023 and gagging at “five and a half minute plate appearance”…on seven pitches! The pitch timer is the best idea ever.
Hey, even super bowl MVPs struggle to count to 4 sometimes.
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I still don't know how we beat the Bucs lol
Convinced that was a ploy to keep expectations low heading into playoffs
This perfectly illustrates how there is way too much baseball...only worth tuning in during October
I love secret base but theres a certain feeling I get when I see a thumbnail that has a blue background and some weird graphics. It’s indescribable
11:40
You can see the counter is at 0-1 since it doesn’t know what to do
Alex: “I hope the Yankees go 0-162 every year.”
Me, a Mets fan: 😍
Red Sox Nation endorses this post.
Me, a baseball fan: 😍
Me, a Mariners fan: Can we just make the playoffs, please???!!!
@@spiderman110990 I feel ya, buddy
@@spiderman110990 Look, we let you win 100 games so many times, and you did jack-all with it. You lost your playoff rights.
Dude, in southern Florida, September and half of October are still considered summer. We get 90s in November sometimes.
although an outlandish scenario, we may one day see an 8 pitch immaculate inning due to a 2 pitch strikeout
What’s the song at 7:53? It’s a Jon Bois staple and I still haven’t found out what song it is. It’s cool as hell.
Finally found it:
Bernard Parmegiani - L’espace-temps or Kaleidoscope II
I think Kaleidoscope is used and its a music concrete “sampling” of the original L’espace
"We made an intern watch every at-bat in Major League history."
21:00 that is a really distinct saw pattern on those times. I was initially very confused about that pattern, but after thinking about it for a minute, it's probably every day of the season where each day's games are sorted from shortest to longest. Would have been cool if you would've colored each day's games (or shaded the graph for each day or something) to make that a little more clear. Your charts are dope, tho. You make some of the prettiest data videos on youtube. Maybe THE prettiest.
I wish there had been at least once where the only person who noticed was one announcer, going “wait, was that not ball 4?”
They're probably under instructions not to contradict the umpires and like getting paid.
@@roguishpaladin This. Ive noticed that announcers are way more lenient to bad calls these days.
these videos are so relaxing to watch
I love that Dorktown is growing. Pretty soon it’s gonna be Dorkcity.
At this point, Dorktropolis is only a matter of time.
Then, Dorknation
Super Dork Galaxy
The Dorkverse
@@praketingrichraft6181 the dvu- the dork video universe
I was at the Jon Jay game. I didn’t notice it when it happened, didn’t realize anything until after the game.
The last line of the video is making me think Jon’s hiding something
I think it's just a reference to how his career developed. Jon was an early college dropout and is now a creative director at a huge sports blog - he likely had to fake it till he made it at least a couple times. And, as evidenced by his use of Google Earth as video editing software (???), he's definitely used to doing things his own way until they stick.
I watched the Christ Stewart 2 pitch strikeout live. I don’t believe it was on the same channel as the video you showed because I remember specifically that the announcer mentioned it. I remember him saying that the ump should’ve called him back.
I like to imagine that at some point in history this happened and the batter looked back to the ump to tell him he’s got it wrong, only for the catcher to say “nah he’s full of it” and the ump siding with the catcher.
One instance I didn’t see here, but remember watching it live was in 1988 or 1989 (I’m pretty sure it was 1988) in Chicago, with the Cubs hosting the Pirates in a Saturday afternoon nationally broadcast game (I believe it was ABC). This was an important game, because both the Cubs (then managed by Don Zimmer) and the Pirates (then managed by Jim Leyland) were in the old NL East, and were contending for the Division Championship.
Eric Gregg was the plate umpire, and John Kibler was the crew chief. I can’t remember the names of the other umpires, but all four lost track of the count, and of course there was no recourse to replay. I’m not certain even the broadcast was able to replay the at-bat. But both managers and teams knew something was wrong, as the crew gathered to try to figure out the count. They eventually ruled in the Cubs favor, because I DO remember Jim Leyland doing a twenty minute tirade, and none of the umpires tossed him. They knew they screwed up, one way or the other, and none of them had a ball/strike indicator (I looked closely at the longest mistake here, with the replay, and the plate umpire did have one in his left hand). I don’t remember if they checked with the official scorer, who would be in the press box, but if they did, the broadcasters didn’t mention it.
What makes it stand out was that unlike most of the incidents you showed, the managers were paying attention, and there were long conversations with both team managers, and while neither were pleased, Leyland was justifiably furious. I wasn’t recording the game, so I have no tape, but as this was an important game, and was nationally broadcast, it’s likely that someone (especially in Chicago or Pittsburgh) has a copy. (I’m in Massachusetts, so I’m not a fan of either team). Anyway, it’s an incident which might stir your interest, and I wish I had more information and a better memory.
I did do some umpiring myself many years ago, and I did have this happen once. It was during an American Legion game (16-18 year olds). I had an indicator, and what happened was a slow rolling ground ball that went up the third base line, almost to the bag, before it rolled foul. As there were only two umpires, as plate umpire, I had to make that call, and after, couldn’t remember whether I had clicked the indicator or not. I signaled to my partner, basically asking for the count. I was told there were two strikes. This was not correct, but neither players nor coaches said anything. So it wound up being a two strike strikeout. After that inning, my partner informed me what the count really had been. Needless to say, I wasn’t thrilled, but he stated that he would have given the correct count had the coach caught my error and complained. I’ve felt a little bad about it, as I believe it’s our job to get the calls right. Honest mistakes do happen, but I wouldn’t do that to a partner or a team.
That doesn’t mean that I never made mistakes. We’re human, and that’s going to happen. But that was the only time I ever got the count wrong, though I wish my partner had corrected me. In that long incident in the video (with the crew checking with replay) my guess is that the omission happened on that fourth pitch, with the ball headed right for the umpire’s face, before the catcher knocked the ball away, inadvertently blocking the umpire’s view (which led to the incorrect foul ball call). He likely forgot to turn his ball/strike indicator, and that was how that started. But the other umpires should be using an indicator themselves, as a backup. That is how we were trained, and we RARELY had four crew members. It was usually two, and sometimes only one.
Anyway, very interesting video. You would think that the coaching staffs would be on top of this, especially in an era where they keep such close watch on the pitch count of every pitcher. But the other umpires really should be backing up the plate umpire (the busiest position) on the count. With four crew members, there’s just no excuse, regardless of how unimportant a game may be.
Of course, at the major league level, some initiative is required of the players. If a batter walks away from home, he’s abandoning his at-bat. It’s similar to the appeal (if a runner misses a base, or leaves too soon on a fly ball) the umpires, by rule, cannot call a player out unless the defensive team properly appeals the play (usually by having the ball and standing on the proper base). That onus is on the defensive players, and if they fail to appeal immediately and properly, the play stands. It works that way with batting out of order, also. The rules are different for high school level baseball.
4, never heard of her.
Saw the upload and got really excited
I can already tell I'll watch this video at least six times
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@@kassondraaleman8993 Get the fuck out of here
The Mariners' narrative have been so engrained in my mind, that everytime they show up on any rendition of Secret Base, I consider it a crossover...
“I never realized how boring this game is”
-sober Homer Simpson
Whenever SB mentions the never ending plight of my Mariners, the vein in my temple twitches ever so slightly.
Best series. LET'S GO!
Ah yes, Pokémon’s drama queen likes SB Nation as well. What a surprise.
FINALLY!!!
This is the best sports channel on UA-cam.
Need a sequel to “The Browns Live in Hell” now that they made the playoffs!
“The Browns Have Escaped Hell.”
Only in 2020 can the team from hell make the playoffs
Annnnnnnnnnd they're in a whole new kind of hell LMAO
Given that ending line, I like to imagine Jon rocked up at SB in a suit and just sat down at a desk next to Alex and said "so how you going with that multi part video about the history of professional fighting?" and everyone was too confused and intimidated by Jon's terrifying presence that they went with it